FINAL FANTASY 7 REMAKE

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>>378407419

>>378407419
>taken away from shitty devs and given to an inhouse team that knows the game and the series.

whats the problem?

>>378407419
So? This sounds like a good thing. Outsourcing is how we ended up with DmC and sfv.

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So that means Square is currently developing four games in-house at the same time? Kingdom Hearts, FF7R, FFXIV, and FFXV DLC/patches?

Kinda stretching themselves thin, don't they think?

>>378407419

So another 3 years until the first episode releases?

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>thinking it will be good after FFXV

They also said it'll arrive in the next three years so they've given thselves plenty of time

It has a 100% chance of it being shit anyway

This game is going to be a fucking disaster.

>>378407875
different teams, different memes

Why do people have faith in this? I'm 30 years old and I don't see this doing well at all. I mean, they can't even decide who's going to develop it. On top of that, not everything from the original will be in the game. What's the point then? Just make a new game. You won't be getting my money for this trash.

Probably because of how hard FF15 underpeformed

>>378407807
Even more fucked up than Wada era desu.

>>378407807
back in the 90's / early 00's square was shitting out games left and right and had a gorillion projects going on at the same time, most of them really good. Having lots of projects going on isn't hard if you have the talent.

That's a good thing but it'll still be shit.

>>378408120

Which they don't anymore.

>>378407419
Why is every FF game a development mess these days? SE are so fucking hopeless.

How long until they take the project away from Nomura, give it to some no-name director and tell him to release it in 3 years like with FFXV?

>>378408024
>FFXV
>Underperform

The game is fucking shit but it sales really well, anon.

>>378408120
>Having lots of projects going on isn't hard if you have the talent.
>if you have talent
This isn't Squaresoft.

>>378407927

>arpg
>episodic
>compilation consideration

stop being a fool and thinking SE can do anything right outside of their WoW clone MMO and mobile shit

>>378407419
Why the fuck did they have the FF7 remake outsourced in the first place? How is that not a huge warning sign that this project is doomed?

>taking 5+ years to REMAKE a fucking game

Absolutely pathetic.

>>378407419
massive game budgets werre a mistake.
SE needs a swift kick in the nads. shame FFXV didn't flop. then we might see less idiotic decisions.

>>378408202

It sold even less than FF13, anon. It was a failure, as expected.

>>378408209
Squeenix still has lots of talent, although all of them seem to be in the art and music department.

>>378408148
they still juggle an impressive amount of project, though many of them are just crap.

>>378408202

Source?

>>378408169
I blame multiplat. They should stick to one console. Not trying to start a war but that's pretty much when FF could no longer get decent development schedules.

>>378408120
>Having lots of projects going on isn't hard if you have the talent.
Also helps if said projects are selling like hotcakes.

I don't get how anyone is excited for this when the combat will be hold down square horseshit like FFXV

>>378408337
Because it's not hold down square horseshit like FFXV?

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We could have had Solatorobo 2 by now.

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>>378408169
>Why is every FF game a development mess these days?
They lack the Yoshida gene.

>>378408142

just like the original.

>>378408169
Suits making decisions and swapping key individuals back and forth on projects instead of letting them finish their work.

>>378407602
inhouse is the shit dev dude
Squaresoft =/= SE if you have not noticed from the games lol

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>>378408280

It also scored lower, save for the PC version.

This company needs to fucking die already.

>>378408226
It's not that bad an idea. As a business, you try to do something cheaper first, then ramp up if you need to. Additionally, FF15 had priority and I imagine KH3 has priority over FF7R.

>>378408337
all I wanted was a simple remake that balances the materia system and removes random encounters. is that so much to ask?

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>>378408169

FF died after his departure and anyone who denies that is living in a bubble.

>>378408173
>No name director
It will either be Dissidia's director or Kitase at this point, Toriyama and Tabata already have their own project to handle so no chance for them.

>>378407983
Same here, when I was younger, I wished for a full remake of FF7 on modern systems (PS2 or PS3).
However, I have realized a long time ago that modern developers can't create good games anymore. Just look at FF13 and everything that came after. I have 0 faith that these guys can do justice to FF7. Maybe they will deliver graphics, but definitely not gameplay. Not interested.

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>>378408280
>>378408441
>implying FF13 is a better game than FF15
And you ARE implying that.

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Good remakes will come but only if you post "Take your time, Nomura" in this thread.

DQ11 was developed in house and it looks like it turned out ok.

>>378408373
who's the guy on the right?

>>378408498

Both games are shit, anon. I'm just saying that one sold even less than the other.

how much content and secrets did FF7 have lying around its world? do we really think they're going to manage to make all that fit into their game?

>>378408478
More like SE is ded without him, he's the only top guy in the company that knows how shit work.

>>378407983
>i'm 30 years old

and that has what to do with anything?

>>378408331
Which didn't really happen desu. Only Square games that actually sold were Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy. All the other cool and interesting games like Front Mission, Vagrant Story, Valkyrie Profile, Saga Frontier, Parasite Eve, Einhander and so forth are pretty obscure even to the most diehard FFans. Didn't help that lots of cool Square games only got localized in NA, if they got localized in the west at all.

>>378408478
Spirits Within was his fault, he nearly Square by himself back in the day, he's the one who strayed the most from what FF truly is

>>378408478
Well let's not forget this guy was also the source of Spirits Within. And we know how that turned out.

>>378408556
You mean DQ10? Pretty sure DQ11 is out house like most DQ games have been. The only reason they did DQ10 in house is cause SE had the top MMO in Japan for the longest time.

>>378408373
Excuse me? XIV is a shitty ass theme park MMO. Yoshida's gene is fucking trash and so is his game. I can't wait til you fucking shills are back to capping a weekly currency and getting a single piece of weekly loot from a dumb down version of a raid for retards. Maybe then you'll all wake the fuck up.

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>>378408498

No one's implying that, dipshit. Just stating that XIII sold better and had better scores.

It also has objectively better music and combat, and isn't an incomplete mess that still needs survey polls asking what cut content needs to be added next.

They're both bad, but XIII just isn't as bad, it's at least competent to say the least.

>>378408650
No I meant 11, look it up.

>>378408498
Not them but
No, they're implying that it sold less than one of the worst games in the series despite having a better budget, more marketing, an anime, a movie, a car, a menu in a restaurant, etc.

>>378408636
And then he redeemed himself with Lost Odyssey before fading into mobage obscurity.

>>378408478
sure seems that way.

>>378408617

Because let's be honest, who gives a shit what some 18 year old has to say about a remake of a game from 1997.

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>>378408569
NO, anon. One game is BETTER. Quantifiably, objectively, scientifically better. It is not Final Fantasy XIII.

>>378408478
him and uematsu.

>>378407419
I see nothing wrong here.

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>>378408723
>he redeemed himself with Lost Odyssey

>>378408683
>but XIII just isn't as bad, it's at least competent to say the least.
kill yourself

>>378408574
Less than your average open world game... the problem has more to do with how much magic, summons, enemie models, minigames are... not to mention the what? 500? different enviroments and towns all with real differences in basicall all of the assets every town, dungeon, place in the game basically has its own assets and towns even different "art direction/culture".
I think thats the true problem. There are more different environments with different assets in the first cd of ff7 than all of ff13 to ff15 environments combined. Thats the issue here lol

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>>378408632
>Which didn't really happen desu.

>>378408683
It's strange to think that XIII ended up being more well rounded than XV. Shame too. I like XV a lot more despite the fact that it's a goddamn trainwreck.

>>378408749
your nostalgia doesn't really make your thoughts on something more important, anon.

>>378408816

Are you trying to imply otherwise?

XIII was a polished fucking masterpiece compared to how broken and unfinished XV is.

>>378408478

OBLIGATORY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuWkvyeAu0E

>>378408834
Niggas still around here still so new they don't know about the auto-word filter. Jesus christ it sure is summer.

I still haven't bought XV despite waiting 10 years for it. Seems like I made the right choice. I will carefully see if FF7R is worth it by waiting more when it comes out.

Don't want to be suckered in like I did with Phantom Pain.

>>378408710
don't forget aaron paul, BITCH

>>378408860
>I'm 18 years old

>>378408951
Sensible.

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Should've remake Lost Odyssey and called it Final Fantasy XV.

XV is a fucking embarrassment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQG0ZSwLOk

>>378408963
>I'm much closer to death

>>378408885

Polished shiny turd you mean.

>>378408954
The game would've been way better if Aaron Paul was actually the MC again.

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>>378408675
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>>378408996
Is this the Matt guy XV-kun hates?

>>378409012

Don't worry, anon. That whole "I'm invincible" phase will end eventually.

>>378407419
F

>>378409015

Still polished, unlike XV that is just a turd broken in half.

>>378408830
People really underestimate how varied the environments in FFXIII were
You have tropical jungles, grasslands, junkyards, a frozen lake, a crystal forest, and a futuristic city
And that's just the ones that come to mind immediately

>>378408906

I will never get tired of this.

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>it'll take them a decade to get the first part of the FF7RE out
>it'll be shit and sell poorly
>they will abandon the project and not remake the later parts, leaving the people who bought the first one hanging

I can't wait.

>>378408686
>Developer(s) Square Enix
Armor Project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_XI

>>378408951
it won't. let it go. maybe SE will go under and sell off their IPs and a good dev will scoop up FF.
that's the best outcome.

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>>378407419
Shame, the chance it had of at least have a somewhat salvageable battle system on top of just being generally shit has just evaporated.

>There are people that would imply modern SE is a better company than CyberConnect2
All my keks.

>>378409071

Nope, just someone who is literally mad about XV.

Just a very upset customer who expected better.

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>All the juvenile plebs ITT hating on FFXV, one of the finest Action RPGs ever made

Really makes the blood boil.

>>378409176
The battle system was always being handled internally

>>378408951
You made the right choice. Maybe the pc version will be better and feel more complete. I feel like I wasted my time. I put 80 hours into it feeling really disappointed and now they're supposedly improving it. Do they expect me to come back and beat it after every update? They should have told me it was early access from the start.

>>378409118
XV is unfinised masterpiece. XIII is just garbage.

>>378409219

DENIAL ISN'T JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT

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>>378408906
>sakaguchi was in his early 20s working on these
>30 and haven't done shit.

>>378409339
If it makes you feel any better Gooch has admitted modern game development intimidates even him

>>378408574

The problem is that they have to turn a bunch of highly detailed pre-rendered backdrops into an actual 3D environment.

It's a fools errand because those backdrops clearly weren't made with the idea that they'd be reasonable to turn into a proper 3D location.

>>378408478
Sakaguchi was a smart guy but he had too much freedom and he was no Miyamoto.

>>378408951
You're nothing but a lame sheep that feel for the contrarian memes.

Wanna know what I'm wondering about? Whether FFVII:R will be able to top XV.

>>378408996
I thought that fight would be improved in the final build but then it turned out to be the exact same shit. God fucking damn why did I fall for this game? I'm so mad I gave them my money.

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>>378409237
>unfinised masterpiece

just as much as you're an unfinished abortion

>>378409404
>FF7 topping FF15

It'll never happen you piece of shit

>>378409445
SEETHING

>>378408906
what if sakaguchi really did make the spirits within bad on purpose just so he can be fired?

>>378409237
>Unfinished Masterpiece
More an unfinished masterturd.

>>378408559
that's 3chan, 4chan's older brother

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>>378408951
Probably a good choice. I liked it well enough, but it's just such a fucking mess. It's pretty crazy how hard it falls on its face in a lot of instances.

I remember an in-engine cutscene pretty early on in the game that genuinely reminded me of an in-engine cutscene from Sonic 06. It's that bad sometimes.

>>378408559
mongolian moot

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>>378409496

anybody who likes XV is still

TEETHING

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>>378409497
I guess that's why Tanaka made FF14 shit, too, huh?

>>378409401
>miyamoto
>not a huge detriment to videogames as a whole

you nintendo fanboys are so deluded.

Final Fantasy XV is objectively the best ARPG around.

>>378409390
This. The whole reason they put off the remake for so long is that they're basically going to have to make a brand new game on a scale that dwarfs anything they did in XV

>>378408906
I don't understand how these guys still have less than half a million subscribers

>>378409219
>juvenile
I played Final Fantasy before you were born. FF15 is awful and one of the worst entries in the series.

>>378409237
I bet FFXV would've been amazing if it was in any way finished. But what we have instead is like some shite beta build. I'm pretty sure that's worse than XIII. When one of the complaints about the game is that it's missing a large percentage of the game, you've got some pretty damn big hurdles to overcome when talking about quality.

>>378409497
Nope, it's a real blunder and he still not recover from it till this day.

>>378407807
>implying they even started KH3
>implying FFXV DLCs take any effort
They are probably just doing ff14.

>>378409380
modern blockbuster games don't have the same heart older games did.
it's too mainstream now. I can't wait for the next crash.

>>378409589
>animepics
really makes me think

>>378409657

probably because they haven't been funny in years and only do it for money now.

>>378408996

is this picture fucking real lmao

>>378408406
This essentially.

It's what made XV such a fucking train wreck with that worthless cunt Tabata constantly wanting to cut corners and change the story.

>>378409497
He's listed as producer for SE games for two years after spirits within, it's far more likely he just got ahead of himself and fucked up big time, so he resigned.

>>378409629
how so?

>>378409618
>Shittalking the last good thing about Nintendo.
As soon as Miyamoto dies/retires, the jews take over anon. Are you saying that jews are really better than miyamoto?

>>378409683
>I'm pretty sure that's worse than XIII
Its not, stop it. XIII is not even a game, its just 40 hours movie.

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>>378409696

>anime pics on an anime website

MASAKA

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>>378408169

>Project handed to the Mobius guy
>Mobius is such hot garbage that it couldn't even turn mobilefags away from Record Keeper and Brave Exvius.
Fuck man, at least when FF12 and Agito/FF15 had it's staff shakeups that marked the point where the game development went to shit they were at least some ways into production.

It also shows that SE may as well the the most incompetent high profile game studio in existence. If it weren't for complete cretins throwing money at their mobile cashgrabs they would be out of business already.

>>378407419
>caring about this after it was revealed it was going to be episodic
I'm not waiting a decade to see the full story, SE. They can get fucked.

>>378409694
The thing about it is in the old day the dev took it as some kind of hobby they love so they care about it, to day it was all about business and the dev just want to finish the work.

>>378408906
How do they get Devs to do such retarded shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rSLInBkY9I

Does anyone have the Kojima one where he's in a room and he keeps shouting help in Engrish?

>>378409713
The video was uploaded in 2015 m8. Hardly "years".

>>378407419
Behind closed doors showing of the game has been positive.
Taking it away from CC2 because they have more resources due to FFXV being mostly complete can only be a good thing.

>>378409946
>Behind closed doors showing of the game has been positive
Source?

>>378409629
But they took care of that problem by turning it into a watered down third-person action adventure game released over several episodes, and it still looks like they might fuck it up.

>>378409919

Holy fuck is that really Ken? I haven't seen him since the on-stage PS3 presentation back in 2006.

>>378408120

>back in the 90s

Yea when a 16 man team could pump out top tier AAA quality games.

>>378409736
tabata removed character switching because of his non existent arthritis. that was pretty obnoxious..

>>378410008
He looks handsome and cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0KojxIvmQ

>>378409976
Where did you think we got that picture of them battling the Scorpion boss from the first reactor?
Let me find the source...

>>378409792
And yet it still manages to be a better game than XV.
Pretty sad. XIII has probably my least favorite cast ever and I'm a big fan of how much Ignis and Noctis are huge goobers. Maybe if they were in a better game.

>>378408906

YOU LIKE WIZARDS
YOU LIKE MAGIC

WELL LET'S FLIP THE SWITCH A LITTLE

>>378410052
m8 that was at Nomura's Monaco Magic presentation. It was literally just two pics, and the trailer he was going to show was denied by the suits at SE.

>>378409946
>>378409976
>>378410052
>closed door
>sources
>(((sources)))

>>378408906
That was pretty good. My first time seeing this.

>>378409127
>tropical jungles, grasslands, junkyards, a frozen lake, a crystal forest, and a futuristic city
Its not just the ones that came to your mind its literally the whole game. By comparison FF7 cd1, Mako reactor, slum town with brothel, church, sewer, train gravejard, sector pillar, shinra hq, motorbike minigame on the streets of midgar, leaving midgar>worldmap, kalm, chocobo range, midgar zolom swamp, crystal cave, phönix tower + tower defense minigame, junon, junon city, costa del and the list goes on and on and one... everything i just mentioned has its own assets enemies minigames etc and its not even a third of the first cd...hell almost every single screen in the game has new shit in it. People that last played old (snes,ps) FF ages ago have dont know anymore what actually was in those games cause of modern sensibilities. Go back play some old rpgs again and actually think what it would mean to faithfully recreate detailed extremely varied 2d pictures as 3d world.

>Being thrown back and forth between developers

Yeah, no, this is going to be in development hell. I didn't even realize this was at the hands of someone else's.

>>378409846
>VXIII

>>378410108

HOW ABOUT A TRIP TO THE MOOON

>>378410232
I'm sorry that it upsets you, I'll change it for you

>>378410016
what happened?

>>378410214
they should hand it to falcom.

So what if it doesn't sell all that well? Are they just going to sink deeper by releasing other two titles, that will sell even less?

>>378410460

They'll either call it quits completely or develop only mobile games from then on.

>>378410460
If they release the game in the next 10 years (lol)
there is no chance that KH3 and FF7R will sell bad lol the ONLY way this would happen is if every review shits on the games and literally warns consumers but even then they would sell millions but probably below expectations.

>>378408683

is that pic real

what the fuck

>>378409142
>sell your game in parts

what did they mean by this?

>>378409846
I stil feel announcing FFXIII in 2006 wasn't a mistake
3 years from announcement to release isn't that bad
Announcing the entire FNC project in 2006 was the real fuckup
The other things were indeed disasters
I still don't understand what they should have done instead of using Crystal Tools, they did need a new game engine
That said, if the FFVII remake were to come out this year or the next, it wouldn't be that much of a disaster

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>>378408996
I barely followed XV's development but this should have been a major red flag. The entire fight consists of QTE and scripted scenes.
Can't believe people were getting hyped over all this eye candy bullshit.

>>378408683
>It also has objectively better music and combat
No

>>378408320
That's not the case at all though considering 11 was multiplat and released just fine but 12 was exclusive and went through dev hell

>>378410905
>I still don't understand what they should have done instead of using Crystal Tools, they did need a new game engine
Not make it so that every big project was required use the same engine.

>>378410323
high budget became the norm for AAA developement and square enix has a never ending obsession with "detailed graphics", something even their own members have mentioned to be their own demise, yet they keep falling for it.

>>378407419
Isnt it so they can make it a full game rather than some retarded episodic game. Glad Square went fuck that shit. I'd rather wait a year or two for this now.

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>>378407419
And people told me Nomura wasn't the problem.

>“The information is already available online, but I’ve taken charge on the development side for Final Fantasy VII Remake,” Hamaguchi said. “As for the whole story, (it’s a sensitive topic, but) until now, development was moving forward with external cooperation, but the company has decided to shift to an internal setup, including mass production and quality, because we want to control everything, including quality, on a stable schedule. (I won’t be leaving Mobius Final Fantasy.)”

http://gematsu.com/2017/05/final-fantasy-vii-remake-development-shifts-external-cooperation-internal-focus

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>>378411015
Yeah that was a fuckup
But Crystal Tools actually has a ton of potential and FFXIII still looks legitimately amazing in 2017
They should have just focused on making an engine for XIII and then make XIII itself instead of trying to make everything at once

>>378410983

Yes, the music is forgettable in XV, and there are only 3 good tracks. XIII has about 5 great tracks. Also the combat is actually engaging and people have found it challenging unlike XV.

GRANTED I will sat the music is completely subjective, but the combat is not. Now if the combat was as decent as it was in the Cor DLC, then we'll see, but as it stands it's bad. Just bad.

>>378411215
That's nice xv-kun

>>378408683
Holy shit, that's fucking desperate.

>>378411226
Its looks like shit. They should just use photorealistic backgrounds, since you can't interract with anything in this world.

>>378407983
They don't want your money, anon, that's the point.
How can you make it to 30 and still be this ignorant about the world?
The remake isn't for the original fans, you aren't the target audiencecanymore, as many of that age have left games behind them. They target the teenagers and young adults, and those will gobble up the first episode like the good little bitches they are.

It literally has all the check points you need to get the short attention of the millenials.
>style over substance
>destroyable environment
>action combat
>big world
>cover mechanics
>don't have to worry about team mates
>voice acting
>a brand recognition

>FF7R IS FUCKED. GAME TAKEN AWAY FROM SHITTY NARUTO DEVS

Do you even read what you type?

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>>378408216

Sorry dude but the bulk of non /v/ or leddit people would rather not have tbs combat i love tbs fyi..

>episodic

I played through FF7 for the first time last year and had a good time but the game is very big. Now imagine having final fantasy 15 poly counts and textures on all those ff7 assets. Episodic is their way of giving the full game without the game having a trillion dollar budget and 1300 man dev team.

>Compilation

Typical SE, merchandise and strong brand make money.

>>378411226
>They should have just focused on making an engine for XIII
I mean that's what they ended up doing

>>378411148
>a year or two

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*breaths in*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously though, what the fuck is wrong with you. Haven't you learned anything? You won't be seeing this game for another 8 years at least.

>>378411336
So do what they did in the ps1 era?
>>378411440
But not at first, at first they wanted to do make a general purpose engine

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>>378407419
>4-5 years of dev time from Cyberconnect2 wasted
>we could have got new .hack// games with that time and energy
>Square clearly has no idea what the fuck is it doing with these projects

Why even bother.

>>378407807
You know SE have 12 internal dev divisions right?

>>378408024
XV broke even on day one and made profit ever since.

>>378408112
No it isn't because back then dev teams were a blur, in 2013 they restructured everything and formed proper divisions with their own teams.

>>378408683

they really had no fucking idea what they were doing

XV was Sonic 06 bad.

>>378407983
They are getting my money, and massive amounts of people will give them theirs too.

>>378408169
Nomura.

>>378408280
>>378408569

It sold more than FF13, the fuck are you even talking about? FFXV is at 6m
after a few months, FF13 didn't hit 6m until after a whole year. Stop talking out your ass.

>>378408318
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1380897&page=1

>>378408441
>metacritic somehow matters

It seems like SE stopped being able to do Final Fantasy right around/after 13. Just makes me remember all those dumb decisions they made, like moving their hq because of a fortune teller and losing Uematsu as a consistent composer. Not sure how the company is structured if Dragon Quest seems absolutely fine still.

>>378411903
I had no idea XIII and XIV was entirely nomura's fault
Tell me more barry

>>378411903

>neogaf
>shipped

>>378411668
>No, it isn't
Really? Then why is SE-dev so fucked in the anus? The one that save the day has always been outsources one, the in house dev is incompetent as well as the management and it shows, no matter how hard they try to hide it.

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>>378411903
>m.neogaf.com

>>378411918
>DQ is still fine
Horii is till there and they outsource it, SE in house dev suck.

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>>378410323
Production values, and thus team sizes and ultimately costs, skyrocketed. Once upon a time, a decent game could be made in a year or two. Now, we're looking at 5+ years average development time for every AAA game on the market.
This means fewer risks are taken and half the budget goes into marketing, because this game MUST SELL or the developer goes fucking bankrupt from dumping so much money into a project.

The days of Squaresoft are long over where they made a dozen high quality RPGs in a single gen. That simply isn't plausible in today's market where a single game takes several years and multiple hundreds of millions to create.

>>378411903
>metacritic somehow matters

It mattered when the initial score was 86 and you fanboys kept spamming threads about it.

>>378407419
>“So far, development (for FFVIIR) has been carried out mainly with the support of external partners. However, in view of factors such as improving quality when the product goes into mass production in the future, the company has decided to shift the developmental system back to within the company, so as to maintain a stable schedule and have control over factors such as quality. We will be forming a robust system within the company to properly carry out the development.

It's just an usual scam run by big companies:
> subcontract part of the development to external suppliers
> set impossible to reach deadline or crazy quality control with huge penalty
> hungry studio agrees to crazy term and condition
> tell your external supplier he messed up according to the contractual specifications and get the work they have done for the price of the down payment
> profit

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>yfw 10 years to make this crap

How can anyone have faith in this company? What is wrong with you?

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>>378411903

>XV-kun is mobile posting neogaf

>>378408683
Not only are your first two points wrong but so is everything else you've spouted.

FF13 sold 6m after a whole year
FFXV sold 6m after a few months

FF13 PC MC = 65, user score = 5.8
FF13 PS3 MC = 83, user score = 7.2
FF13 360 MC = 82, user score = 6.3

FF15 PS4 MC = 81, user score = 7.6
FF15 XB1 MC = 83, user score = 6.8

Not only is metacritic useless but you're flat out wrong because XV and 13s highest score are both 83, while 13s lowest score is 65.

FF13 had more than enough cut content to make a whole other game according to Kitase.

Meanwhile that stuff they're adding to XV isn't even cut content, at no point was Luna or Gentiana supposed to be playable. And all that survey stuff is things they are already adding to the game, the survey only decides what the fans want to see done first.
Eat shit dickhead.

XV has objectively better music, characters, story, lore, gameplay, world, graphics, animation, monster design, dungeons, areas and feels more better as a game than that linear corridor with shittu cutscenes every 5 steps that is 13 tries to be.

>>378411215
Nomura is gone if things don't shape up. I can see him leaving SE for "heath reasons" in the next few years.

I don't know why people still care about this game company.
They haven't made a good game in 7 years and even then it was just a fluke.

>>378412332


tl;dr - I've seen this pasta before. Go away.

>>378412274
Sounds like life.

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>>378408996
It was hilarious how awful that presentation was and watching people defend it and be like "the game could still be good"

>>378412320
It's ironic because he's banned from Neogaf

>>378411264
I misread i actually agree with you FF15 has a worse ost the different battle tunes are nice but apart from that its just average to even kinda bad (lestalum..).

So, apparently SE has become so fucking big that no one can coordinate anymore

>How do you want that fusion senpai?

>>378412369
>They haven't made a good game in 7 years and even then it was just a fluke.
wtf I love ubisoft now

>>378412369
Because your opinions aren't fact, and people still very much like the games they put out, like I do. You fucking idiot.

>>378412320
water is wet

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Square-Enix is stretching themselves so thin they'll die before they ever get to release XV on PC

>>378412413

the size of lestallum still angers me

fucking gran soren was bigger and I thought THAT was disappointing

>>378412475
>XV on PC
Honestly don't even want it.

>>378411903

What are YOU talking about. Who cares what it sold in a year. The point is that XV sold less than 13, and it did.

>>378412332
>FF13 had more than enough cut content to make a whole other game according to Kitase.
Do you even know the context of that quote?
This happened because they had to start on the development of the game even though crystal tools wasn't finished yet. When CT was eventually finished, a lot of the shit they made couldn't work in the new engine and was made useless. This isn't like xv were the directors basically cut shit out all the time

>>378412435

Yeah, but, you have shit taste, so who cares.

>>378412347
>Nomura
>Gone
Gee, I fucking wish.

>>378412435
Okay kiddo whatever you say.
The only shit they do right any more is when they fuck up or publish from indie devs.
That I have to concede, they're an incredible publisher.
But as devs they lost their way.

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I care more about this little indie rpg for switch than FF7R. Square Enix has just gone full retard. Final Fantasy sucks.

>>378410605
>>378411328
>>378410065
>>378411732
>>378411769
>>378409718

You can stop samefagging.

>>378408996
Except Luna holding Noctis happens after the fight and the fight themselves aren't even the same. Fuck off Matt, you're already invalidated.
>>378408885
>>378411264
>>378411732

13 isn't better in any aspect Toriyamadrone.

>>378409736
Fuck off nomuracuck, Nomura was changing things constantly and never had anything defined.

>>378410018
Meanwhile Tabata has made the only FF with character switching in it, the decision to take it out of XV was to focus on and expand Noctis's abilities and focus on manual weapon switching instead.

>>378412741
Long time no see, XV-kun.

>>378412646
You have shit taste to me, so yeah, who cares.

>>378412704
I don't care about any of that, but thanks for telling me.

>>378412741
Oh no.

>>378412332
Are you actually saying that the whole Gladio DLC that explains why he suddenly disappears without a reason wasn't supposed to be in the game?

Just a reminder to report FFXV-kun for ban evading. He was banned like 4 times 2 days ago.

>>378409846
It's depressing to learn that the biggest reason XIV was initially a failure is because the engine was garbage, and that is why it had to be recreated from the ground up.

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>three more years of XV-kun in FF7R threads

>>378412741
>New IP
Oh man he's still ban evading too

>>378412810

I like FF 1 - 10. You like everything that came after it.

It's clear who has the shit taste here, and it isn't me.

>>378411148
>so they can make it a full game rather than some retarded episodic game
Ihave bad news for you anon

>>378412921
X-2 was good.
You cannot refute this.

>>378412974

It was garbage compared to X.

>>378412921
It's clear to you that you think I have shit taste, and you are right from your point of view.

But my taste is clearly superior in my eyes. You don't know which Final Fantasies I like specifically.

>>378411918
Squeenix doesn't make Dragon Quest in-house and never has. The series' creator is still around to this day.

You can more or less consider DQ to be a non-SE entity. I mean, it seems like they do at times.

>>378412974
It had a decent battle system. Everything else about it was garbage.

>>378413065
>never has
uhh

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>>378412998
Clearly you have yet to develop patrician taste.
K-pop fantasy is best fantasy.

What was the point of Ignis losing his eye sight again?

>>378412084
>>378412110
I guess you can't read.

>>378412320
I just copy pasted the link from someone who linked me to it.

>>378412589
FF13 has been out for 7 years, FFXV has been out for about 6 months. Do you even know how to compare sales? FF13 had barely 5m within the 1st year and hit 6m during its 2nd year of release. XV has 6m after a few months. Are you fucking retarded or do you really need someone to explain to you how this works? By a years time XV would have sold more than 6m and it'll sell even more once it's on PC
XV already sold more than 13 did within the same time frame.
>>378412009
Versus was his fault, KH3 is his fault, 7R is his fault.

>>378412246
No it didn't and it never did.

>tfw Atlus will btfo SE at home territory with Project Re:fantasy

With any luck its gonna be so good that SE will realize the bloated mess it has become

>>378413204
why k-pop specifically
this is a japanese game after all
j-pop exists
not to mention japan's idol culture

coreaboos are subhumans

>>378413339
Fuck if I know.
She looks Korean enough.

>>378413329
They could care less, new Atlus game will never sell more than 1.5mil, out of SE league.

>>378412727
>create a new Classic FF-esque game
>almost everyone loves it
>sure to be a hit if they fix some of the more notable flaws in the sequel
>announce sequel
>only give the team half the budget

Gee, thanks Sqeenix. Oh look, now you're commissioning them for another Classic FF-esque game. I wonder what will happen.

>>378412378
Everything I said is true, fuck off with your denial because your shitpost is getting BTFO.

>>378412613
No, he said they cut enough content out of 13 to make a who other game.

>>378412869
What the fuck does episode Gladio have to do with the survey you dumb fuck? Episode Gladio is already out, and episode Gladio was never cut content either because Gilgamesh's was never planned for the game to begin with as they said over 2 years ago, not to mention episode Gladio takes place during ch7 of the game where were playing as Noctis going through Steyliff so it can't under any circumstances be called cut content if it was never part of the main game to begin with.

>>378412534
lestallum is so pathetically small that I thought I was at a bethesda game

>>378413648
>>378412534
Lestallum is bigger than most FF towns.

>>378413492
>muh sales

Meanwhile FFXV is already forgotten by the press only 6 months after release, while P5 is already on pretty much all must play lists for the ps4

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>>378407419
I sure am glad they're shitting up FFXIV with paid level jumps so that they can fund FFVII Remake.

> only thing I expect from the remake is eye candy
> no sign of a single female after more than one year

SE has completely lost touch with its audience

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>>378412873
>reminder to ignore facts because we're getting BTFO
Also my ban already expired

>>378413763
Yeah, sales is only that matters for big company. Even if their games is shit or mediocre.

>>378413802
>who is Jessie

how to spout a newfriend.

>>378413763
>It's a Matt keeps trying to push this narrative despite it not being remotely true episode.

>>378413834
Why do you do this?
It was a painfully average game that was made all the worse because of Versus XIII's hype.

Defending FFXV should be a bannable offense desu

It would make banning xv-kun much easier

>>378407602
>that know the game and the series

You act like the current development team is still composed of the original developers (people) are still working at Square. It's been 20 years, they couldn't even keep all the figureheads there.

>>378413834
>dualshockers
>notable FF asskissers
>XIII=9.0
>XIII-2=9.0
>XIII-3=8.0
>XIV 1.0= 8.0
>XV=9.0

>>378414210
>XIV 1.0= 8.0
Really makes you think

>>378408478
So true, the franchise is shit since FFX

>>378408523
Kill yourself Nomura

>>378414283
says the faggot born in 1997

>>378408996
>>378408683

Wow, this is one of those games you don't have to play to know how bad it is. These pictures are proof enough.

>>378413995
XV is one of the best FF yet and literally saved FF, why are you in denial?

>>378414083
Awwww poor matty getting his ass handed to him.

>>378414210
>t-they don't count
>Sakaguchi doesn't count
>Yoshida doesn't count
Like clockwork

>>378413765
XIV loyal player here. Fuck you, you'd better get the best game ever.

>>378414283
>tfw im the only one who liked XII

I mean its star wars, there is nothing to dislike

I admit that im a sucker for ivalice and I believe that it the best setting for FF tho

>>378414454
>Matt still samefagging even after two of the threads he made earlier today got pruned

>>378407920
Screenshot this

>>378414482
It was sarcasm. I'm annoyed too, even though FFVII is one of my favorites and was the game that introduced me to the series.

>>378414464
Stuttering only makes you look even more pathetic

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Because the main SE teams are known for being reliable, quality developers, right.

WHO THE FUCK IS MATT

>>378414403
Kek, good try milenial faggot
>>378414504
Yeah, XII could have been great, but at the end it was just average.
Change of direction was a mistake.

>>378414670
This xv autist's boyfriend?

>>378414464

Hey
XV-kun
Guess what
Your mother dont love you
You are a failed aborption

And I hope she is dead so she cant see her son sitting on his fat ass all day defending some shitty game

>Defending a game that gutted its own prologue and turned it into a shitty movie
Please tell me you don't do it for free.

>>378409696
he got you good two times

>>378414464
Narratively it's a poor game.
Even the combat is implemented poorly, not many fights revolve around teleporting and vantage points, or magic, or weapon switching, or summons, or teamwork.

The whole Kingsglaive thing just makes it all worse.
I can't believe I convinced myself that Kingsglaive was better for the game.
That opening is the most integral part of the story, and they just took it all out and made a movie of it.
I don't even care about Noctis at that point, Nyx is a better character.

I could just go on and on and on. It's all so disappointing.

>>378407419
Boy, I haven't looked forward to a game this much since Final Fantasy Versus XIII! I'm totally ready to play this on my PS4 in the next couple years!

>Cyberconnect knows what they're doing guys
>Nomure isn't a hack

>>378408169
its the enix touch!

>FF thread that has nothing to do with XV
>gets turned into XV shortestshitfest at the mere mention


Why does this always happen?

I NEED MATT TWITTER

>>378412921
12 was underrated. Did not deserve nearly the hate it got.

>>378414957
Because FFXV is such a shitshow that makes plenty of people boil in anger just from mentioning

I noticed this pattern on other forums too

Also, XV-kun eternal vigil

>>378414957
This xv autist can't ignore posts for some reason

>>378414957
Dedicated shitposters. I wonder if Metroid threads still have to deal with AC fag.

>>378408675

Nah anon, they've done some amazing things with FFXIV. Far better than most other FF games in feel, scope and pacing of the story.

FF7 is fine how it is

I bet this means we'll be going even longer without seeing anything new because they want to rework anything there is to show so far. What a mess.

>>378415291
E3 is next month anon

>>378415308
And I highly doubt it will be there, is what I'm getting at.

>>378415291
That is actually good
With the way SE global offices cant coordinate for shit, a FFXVI would end up as shit as XV

>>378415392
By anything new I meant press material for the remake, not original games.

>>378413228
Okay edgy Darklordmalik, back to neogaf with your mudslime friend

>FF13 had barely 5m within the 1st year and hit 6m during its 2nd year of release.
Lel
>https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-xiii-ships-5-million-units/1100-6253285/
Final Fantasy XIII ships 5 million units One day after JPRG's Western launch
>http://www.craveonline.com/site/761749-final-fantasy-13-trilogy-shipped-11-million-copies
Final Fantasy 13 Trilogy Has Shipped Over 11 Million Copies, Coming to PC on 2014
XIII: 7m, XIII-2:3m, LR:1m

still, all of them are marketing shit, you can easily find unsold xv in your local gamestore, they're fucking worthless

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>>378407602
>shitty devs

Yeah no. Also square enix hasnt known the game and series since ff10

>>378415484
LETS JUST SPOUT RANDOM NEOGAF NAMES.

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>>378412246
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/359007823/
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/358996909/
>that time when xv-kun actually relied on metacritic
>now denies it and gets defensive about it like every other time he did something especially stupid
kek

>>378415484
Squire its you? Still assblasted i see.

>>378415664
A lot of the major character plights are inconsequential.
Ignis going blind, Prompto being a demon whatever, they have no bearing on Noctis or the story.
Luna might as well have not even been in the game.
And the big bad was who? A king? A demon? Was his intent to just be at peace?

I don't feel Noctis' plight in the opening hours of the game.
Cor is just guiding the player from place to place.
The contrast of the betrayal and double crossings and explosions and giant Diamond Weapons in Kingsglaive compared to reading a newspaper is just baffling as to why they did it that way.

WHO IS MATT?!!!

>>378416080
Why is it so hard for you to realize shipped =/= sold?

>>378416216
And there he goes proving my point

>>378408860
But having played the actual damn game instead of of shit like crisis core and forming your opinion on what should happen with the remake on the original instead of the shit fanfic level compilations should be a given. Not something lol "nostaliga fag".

>>378407419
>>378407419
Did they replaced Nomura with that Mobius director?

>>378416315
No

>>378416315
Would've been good.

>>378411402
>Sorry dude but the bulk of non /v/ or leddit people would rather not have tbs combat
These people are those who claim to be fans, but only ever saw Advent Children. Fuck it, it'll probably tank anyway, they're going to put too much time and money into it for it to succeed.

>>378413763
make no mistake P5 is also in the process of already getting forgotten.

>>378413995
This.

>>378416464
Yet XV still success even though 10 years development. FF would never fail

They will never release sales figures for XV

Hell every single store I see is full of XV cases
They probably sold less than 50% of that 6 mill shipping

>>378416731
How would you know if you never leave your house?

>>378416635
That's one game. They're aiming to have it be three games that size. Also, a lot of people got burned by XV, since it was so shit. FFVII-R won't be the success SE are banking on, if it even comes out, and, thankfully, they won't even remake any other games.

>>378407419
JRPGs are shallow SRPGs (which themselves are shallow strategy games), diluted with teenage fantasy FMVs and OSTs. The fact that people have hopes for anything less than the best of the genre is truly sad.

Instead of being an RPG at all, even action-adventure, they should just do what MGS did, get PlatinumGames to make a hack n slash version that rivals the original series best moments. Basically Crisis Core except not designed for teenage girls.

>>378416798
MGR is hardly near MGS's best moments, it was also a mediocre character action game

>>378416735
>Nothing that happens to Aeris has anything to do with Clouds development,
Hmm

>commomer
Fucking go to sleep man.

>>378416889
Rising was mediocre? What do you consider good or great in the genre? Platinum are one of its best dev companies.

>>378416798
Crsis Core was a fucking terrible game though.

>>378417036
>crisis core, third birthday, and xv all developed by the same team
What a consistent stream of shit

>>378416080
Random neogaf name?, everyone and their mother know that darklormalik is australian and ffxv fanboy

coincidence?

why don't you read the fucking article? square say that shit everytime

>>378416979
>He's a shitposter who's been "anti" posting against XV since 2014 when Nomura was announced that he was taken off the game. At the time he was dubbed Tposefag because he was trying to shitpost about the robot enemies in the trailer somehow being in a tpose, and he would repost the same images and copypasta against the game for months. eventually after the playable demo was out he came to be known as "anti kun" or "anti XV-kun" as it was more apt way to describe him, and his collection of shitposting material grew. He was also found out to be the gamefaqs user "Pesmerga255" and was exposed multiple times. Then one day from a youtube comment on an FFXV video an account was accusing people of being XV-kun in the comments section, which he did here too, his youtube account was found and his name Matt was exposed. He's been BTFO almost every day since the game released yet he still reposts the same shitposting material of images and webms, and copy pasta and still shills metacritic.

Put it in here:
https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/FFXV-Kun

>>378417008
DMC3

Platinum has way better games compared to MGR

>>378415560
well thats what op said. he said the game is fucked because it now has inhouse devs instead of shitty ones. i think op should kill himself to be quite honest with you

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>>378407419
>Squeenix will finally die in your lifetime.

I have been waiting for this since they fucked up and merged Squaresoft with shitty enix.

Finally those dumb slant eyes will get the axe.

>Ni No Kuni II
>Xenoblade 2
>SMT Switch
>Atlus' Fantasy RPG
>Dragon Quest XI
I'm good with these.
Fuck Final Fantasy. Square Enix are a joke.

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>>378417123
>FFXV-Kun is a new forced meme, made on 4chan and /v/ in 2016. Created by die hard fanfaggots who praise Western devs and Witcher III, it is essentially the Tin Foil Hat wearing loony made conspiracy theory and boogieman espoused by many a /v/idiot who enjoys showing that 4chan has now died from Eternal Newfag Cancer due to an ignored strain of leukemia born by forum elitist faggots from Reddit, Something Awful, and whatever offhand cocksmear of a self funded self made AVGN wannabe video game fansite who are too afraid of posting how they really feel about the world on their website made to "show off the world and stick it to the unwashed masses unlike myself" with their cultureless and eurocentric jingoistic socially vindictive dispositions.

>FFXV-Kun is essentially a user whom /v/ claims to have discovered his powerword and being the only person who cares about the release of Final Fantasy XV that posts on /v/, while mocking him like the consumerist shit flinging territorial neanderthal orgy tribe they are. In other words, the pedants believe they have properly doxxed a person on a site whose function is to be a purely anonymous chatterbox without mod intervention and legitimate evidence, including IP addresses and keylogs.

>PROTIP: Stalking around for speech habits and "relevant traits" does not ensure accurate pinpointing. Doing this on 4chan, unless there's pictures involved, is the equivalent of searching for a needle in a 12 foot pile of stable droppings and hay, after having broken the needle into several pieces and fed the needle to an animal for it to shit out. Even a script kiddie could have told you cancerfaggots this. The only way someone knows about the user, is well, a /v/idiot being apart of that community themselves. Calling the kettle black there much, FF Disease diehards?
Did xv-kun make his own ED page
what the fuck

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http://gearnuke.com/final-fantasy-xv-review/

>>378417243
No, they do a lot more than just videogames, and even then they have Dragon Quest to possibly leech off of. FF should really get mercy killed soon though.

how did a thread about FF7 devolve into shaming Tabata and FFXV?

>>378417461
xv-kun

>>378417123
Holy shit someone very buttblasted wrote this

>>378417461
xv-kun
Currently ban evading

>>378417331
Eastern videogames are a joke*

Fixed that for you.

>>378417461
Tabata looks like a fucking pedophile, a child rapist, of course he's hated everywhere

>>378417159
No one said it's their best game. But what kind of logic makes you think one of the best teams can put out something mediocre so easily? Mediocre means average, are you saying that even their 2nd rate stuff is not above average?

There's also the Square precedent with Nier, which has good reviews. Giving it to Platinum is the best thing they could do, it would be better than the original FF7 simply through having modern hardware and being in a superior genre, nevermind having such a great dev team behind it!

>>378417461
>shaming
Because this isn't a hugbox. Average games in bad genres will be ridiculed.

>>378417036
I already said that it was for teens. Doesn't stop the genre from being superior to JRPG.

>>378417579
Pedal harder mudslime

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>>378417243
DQ is still going strong.
As far as I care, Squaresoft died the moment Enix absorbed it.

>>378417441
Those are shipped units

>>378407419
>Will literally be the second most important game Square Enix ever make, second only to the original FFVII
>durr let's let someone else develop it