So I was playing Oblivion again today when I came across pic

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>>378371846
The way the level scaling works is that there are enemies specific to questlines/areas that you will only see if you are at least a certain level.

i.e doing the main quest right away vs. after you are level 50+ will result in a entirely different experience enemy-wise.

It's actually a pretty sweet result of the scaling in the game.

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>>378372923
>people complain that this system is flawed instead of just gitting gud
>people actually want to fight and one shot rats at level 70

>>378372545
I also played CoC

>>378372545
>>378373176
>>378372658
Get off my board furfags.

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>>378373390

i bought oblivion on steam to mod it

since i never finished it i thought it would be neat to make the next playthrough count, thus i wanted to apply the nicest graphics and mods possible

i can just easily apply mods to morrowind and skyrim with nexus mod manager, but for some fucking reason it was really complicated for oblivion so i never got around to it

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>>378373794
>I'm Fucking Retarded: The Post

It's really not that hard

How do Imperials live with the fact that St Alessia, founder of their faith, was a dirty slut who loved to ride on fat minotaur cock?

>>378373972
i just got turned off when i found out you have to download other programs than NMM to easily do it

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>>378374076

>>378373794
>>378374076
cool, keep me posted, alright?

>>378374190
sure thing but that's about it

nothing more to say really

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>>378373750
>furfag uses a reddit maymay
>doesn't even use it properly
can't say i'm surprised

>>378374328
>implying someone using a spongebob meme is Reddit
Fuck I'm too lazy to type all the text out all caps and uncaps on the meme just for one response

>>378371846
I didn't miss them, my Oblivion character has had her hymen destroyed so many times by them.

>>378371846
That's a weird looking penis.

>>378374328
>"he doesn't use memes properly!"

t. reddit

>want to play Oblivion
>can't do it because I know that I would get stuck on an endless modding spree

Damn. I could always pretend that I'm going to install just one big overhaul, but then I would remember that it would be nice to have that one combat overhaul too, and then thst one magic overhaul would be nice too if I want to play as an mage, then I remember that installing some graphics mods would be nice too because this time I'd actually have a rig that can run them... And oh, also got to do something about those ugly NPC faces. And better also install a mod that makes landscapes more interesting.

Nickies thread?

To see them you'd actually have to play a single character long enough to level them up to a certain point.

>>378371846
Why do you continue to make this thread?

>>378371846
Level scaling

>>378375468
Why are you so emotionally invested in what threads people make?

>>378373162
You're a mongoloid.
Of course I want to one-shot rats.
I also want t have giant minotaurs and shit appear randomly, capable of one-shotting me.

That's how you create an adventure.
Oblivion is just a fucking skinnerbox.

>>378375386
I don't see the issue.

>>378375468
Because his tail looks like a dick in the thumbnail.

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>>378372545
I'd want quite the opposite, and make the Minotaur my fuckslave, bring him back to my village and let people know who's boss as they grit their teeth in the night as the minotaur bellows out moans of pleasure.

>>378375386
Don't forget the mod that lets you become a prostitute, and the mod that lets you get gang raped by scamps.

>>378373794
Drag & Drop is really complicated, I know. I still struggle with these advanced computer techniques too.

Is addictive minotaur semen a meme started by CoC?

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You're walking around the outskirts of town, when you stumble upon this. What do you do?

>>378375626
Why are you defending lame bait?

>>378376462
Be like "hey, that's a pretty cool statue."

>Max out difficulty
>Every fight turns into lolpoisons and stealth archery
>Eventually craft gear with 100% invis
>Literally takes 5 minutes of backstabbing to kill a single enemy.

What did I do wrong? I still never finished the game because of that shitdickery.

>>378376505
I'm just doing my part to save 4chan from the tumblrinas who cry and call everything they don't like bait. Now get the hell off my board.

>>378375628
skinnerbox doesn't mean what you think it does

>>378376887
>using buzzwords out of context
You sound like a newfag trying his best to fit in.

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>>378371846
>U JELLY WHITE BOI?

>>378376462
If no one was looking I'd try to take it home. I just found out I want a statue of a Minotaur playing with himself.

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>>378371846
Bet you never saw one of these either then.
Least they were land only, unlike Morrowind.

>>378377131
I've been here since before you were allowed to drink out of the big boy cups.

>>378376832
>What did I do wrong?
Isn't it obvious? You maxed out difficulty in a game where difficulty basically means how much health enemies have.

>>378371846

I thought they were added by mods. Have run into a few, though, but it's been... fuck, almost ten years....

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>>378377273
Better picture

>>378376028

kek

>>378377273
>>378377593
We call them "billies." Not sure why, though.

>>378377292
I'll have you know I was drinking out of big boy cups by 1994.

>>378376462
cum on it

>>378377273
Weird. I remember seeing them but I think they're in such a small level bracket that it's very easily to just skip by it and never encounter it.

>>378377292
Talk about case in point, huh?

>>378375628
Nothing should one shot you if you know fuck all about character building. What the fuck game are you even describing?

>>378375628
I don't think you know what Skinner box means

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>>378377593
My first priority in Morrowind is waterwalking/levitation to avoid these spooky fellas

>>378377974
Don't try to use advanced phrases if you don't speak enough English, or more likely are too stupid to know when to use them. Telling you this for your sake.

>>378371846
There's two protecting a unicorn not far from the city.

>>378378304

Yeah, that's where I remember them from too.

>>378378172
That's funny coming from the guy who uses buzzwords he doesn't understand.

>>378378125
They're really not an issue.

>>378378304
They also come up in the nightmare quest.

>>378378470
Not really, it's much more embarrassing to use English wrong than internet memes, but it wasn't wrong anyway. Only tumblrinas such as you get so emotionally upset at 4chan threads.

>>378375642
It becomes a problem when you always have "one more thing" to install and never get to actually start the game. And by the point one actually has all interesting mods installed and has them working, the whole affair has taken so long that the motivation to start the game has long gone. Been there, done that.

>>378378621
But it is funny.
>it's much more embarrassing to use English wrong than internet memes
Good thing I didn't.

>>378378667
Gee anon, you just might have to learn how to have a modicum of self-control.

>>378378125
Man that's cool as hell. I tried to get into Morrowind but it honestly just feels so dated I struggled. I enjoy some reading and figuring things out for myself but I couldn't stand the wiki page dumping NPCs. Also the movement speed is just absurdly slow until you've leveled a bit

>>378378621
Please stop, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

>>378378821
There's a reason no one plays these games vanilla (except the ones that have to).

>>378375386
As long as you're having fun who cares?

>>378378723
>>378379000
Please stop, your samefagging is embarrassing everyone that reads it.

>>378373794
>what is wrye bash?

http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/22368/?

>>378378667
I run into the same thing, but it stems mostly from the desire to not integrate any new things in the middle of a run, so I wanna get all my modding done before hand. With the shit way most mod sites are and how bloated they are with trash, it makes it a bit of a pain to actually get look through and find the neat bits. Also, I've always thought it was a shame you couldn't assign specific mods profiles to specific saves.

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>walking around exploring oblivion because the internet is off
>find a cave full of tribal argonians that are all just swimming around in a flooded cave

>>378379000
>>378378723
Not him but it's pretty obvious you're samefagging now.

>>378379078
Okay anon, prove to me that I used "case in point" incorrectly.

>>378379078
Can you two just fuck already and get it over with?

Shut the fuck up no one cares

>>378377058
>>378378032
>>378378120
>skinner box
>get shinier weapons and bigger numbers
>don't get any more proficient going through areas because enemies grow in power too
I get the point he was trying to make.
There is the old trick of choosing complete trash main skills, and then leveling up combat skills (never attributes) just to dunk all the enemies that never scale up.

>>378379187
Fuck, I remember these now. Were they linked to a quest?

>>378379249
samefag lol

>>378379078
>>378379196
Literally shoot yourselves

>>378379307
>>378379196
Samefag.

>>378373972
Oblivion's engine build is even less stable than FO3 and NV. Trying to put more than half a dozen mods onto it will break it, and putting more than zero mods onto it has a high chance of fucking it all up.

>>378374650

F

Apply yourself >:(

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>>378379449

>>378379196
>>378379419
>>378379385
>>378379449
Quit samefagging.

>>378379364
Nah, it was just a big ass cave.

>>378378172
Case in point aint exactly an advanced phrase. Do you mean idioms? Because their a diamond dozen.

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>>378379549
>there are still mouth-drooling retards on /v/ who think this proves anything

>>378379626
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>378372545
That's just the plot of that doujin with the twin brown girls.

>>378372545
>excellia was ruined into a cumdump
I've half the mind to write my own, but then I'd be a faggot

>>378378172
>case in point
>an instance or example that illustrates what is being discussed.

>>378377131
>accusation of newfaggotry
>>378377292
>responds the way a newfag would

>tumbrina
>a buzzword that doesn't really have a solid definition but anyone with half a brain knows that it doesn't mean "people who complain about things they don't like"

We done here?

>>378371846
stop making this thread you disgusting furries

>>378379669
>There are still faggots who are butthurt they can be called out for wrong samefags

>>378379929
>>a buzzword that doesn't really have a solid definition but anyone with half a brain knows that it doesn't mean "people who complain about things they don't like"

But that's exactly what it means you retard.

>>378379723
I only read the first two sentences of that shit and it gave me a headache. Like christ that is some terrible pasta.

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>>378380082
Communicating in shitty memes doesn't help your sad argument. It's time to kill yourself.

>>378379979
Technically it's impossible to be butthurt at being called out since you can't actually prove whether or not someone was a samefag in cases like this.

>>378379307
Jesus christ did you just finish a high school psychology course and are throwing around buzzwords to sound smart while having no idea what they mean?

Kill yourself you idiot.

>>378380162
No, no, anon, you got me, you tricked me. I get it now.

>>378379996
But... that would mean you're also a tumblrina.

>>378379516
That's just completely wrong and you're retarded for typing it.

>>378380276
Great, but remember to kill yourself.

>>378372923
I kinda liked that system. I remember going by an Ayleid ruin and nearly shat myself when I saw a Frost Atronach

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>Doing Thieves guild questline (I think)
>Have irrational fear of underwater segments in games
>Have to go through some waterway or well can't remember
>Giant slaughterfish out of fucking nowhere

>>378380378
I don't get personally offended that people make threads I don't like. If you had the brain cells needed to follow a trail of posts you'd see that.

>>378380473
No thanks.

>>378379449
Calling samefag means you've lost the argument.
It is unprovable either way and it serves only to derail the conversation.
And even if you could somehow prove another anon posted twice, you would still be just as wrong.

>>378380629
Samefag

>>378380621
But you're sitting here complaining about tumblrinas. You don't like tumblrinas, do you?

>>378380247
>all those tears because he misused the term skinner box
unwad your panties anon

>>378381003
Anon, I asked you a question >>378380709

>>378380709
I'm having trouble unraveling your retardation, are you saying you have to like tumblrinas to not be one?

>>378381108
Sorry, but
>>378380629
is my only other post in the thread.

>>378371846
Well this is a weird fucking post to turn into a copypasta
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/ZyXzVYOwNO9Aoxo34t4ztw/

>>378381003
I see him and other retarded faggots like yourself misuse it over this shithole all the time. Actually learn what a fucking term means before you throw it around precariously.

>>378381289
OP is fishing for lewd images of bull men.

>>378381379
ok I laughed

>>378381228
Let's review.
As you said here >>378379996, the definition of tumblrina "exactly" is people who complain about things they don't like

You are complaining about tumblrinas. It's clear to see that you dislike them, therefore you are complaining about tumblrinas, therefore you are a tumblrina. Unless you like tumblrinas, which would be the only way that you wouldn't be a tumblrina.

Keep in mind, this is your logic.

>>378381379
Okay now you're just fucking with people.

>>378381641
I'm so sorry for your autism

>>378381898
And I'm so sorry that you have to use insults because your back is against the wall and you have no refutation. It might be time to hit the sack, assuming you know what that means.

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>>378382043
My deepest condolences.

>>378381898
I was on your side initially, but he's right about the tumblrina thing. You must be pretty dim to not be able to follow his logic here.

>>378382227
Dammit man, you're gonna get us called samefag.

>>378376028
>that pic
why won't the minotaur just let go of the ring? I don't see it attached to the bridle. Is it domesticated already?

>>378382649
He's into it.

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>>378382649
He know's what he's in for, anon. He's either gonna have his haggis stuffed with pudding or he's gonna lay his blood sausage into that man's chitterlings. Either way that bull is gonna be satiated

What the fuck happened to this thread?

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>>378376462
Im gonna free him from Medusa's curse and fuck his asshole

>Playing oblivion with headphones on
>trying to increase, sneaking everywhere
>stop moving for a second to check phone
>Suddenly, Loud rat noise
>character yells
>jump so damn hard i fling my phone and crack the screen

This shit happens way to damn often, not the phone cracking but getting scared by shit I shouldnt i love being scared though

>>378376462
>tfw your a minotaur
>tiny human penis
>everything else is cow

captcha little mexico kek

>>378371846
but dont you fight minotaurs in the arena. After you are champion and you can fight the "challenging beasts" or whatever the fuck they say in the arena?

Sorry Its been over a decade so I cant really remember to well but Im sure they are in there

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>>378375397
Yea expect one of these tomorrow, just found some weird shit in a testing cell on the 360 version

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>>378379723
>everything in but the kids Nsync
This is so fucking stupid but I'm laughing at it anyway

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Aren't Minotaurs supposed to be capable of being civillised?
If that the case I would find a lair of them, kill the adults and take thir children.
Then would raise them and educate them and so Minotaur civillisation could be saved.

>>378391898
Lot of effort just to get plowed by the big meaty bullcock but sure I'd go for it.

>>378392208
Just plow the cubs until they're hung enough gosh

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>>378392569
That's cute, cubs are cute.

>>378379873
i fapped to that one last night

>>378375109
underrated post

>>378373162
The filename for that should be "Dalish Elf".

>>378372545
there is absolutely nothing worse than furfags

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>>378394709
Do you know where you actually are?

>>378394835
/b/ a decade ago judging from your .gif

>Replay Elder Scrolls Game
>Outside of main quests, spend majority of missions stealing everything of value from every business/home
>Decorate my Waterfront house inside and outside with all of the cool looking stuff, stockpile/sell the rest
Am I the only one who goes full klepto with these games? They are wonderful burglary simulators. Plus you can't beat just sneaking into a hot woman's house and just.. watching her sleep. Something exciting about them not knowing you're in their property.

>>378395430
It stops being fun the moment the physics engine explodes and launches all your shit all over the place.

>>378395871
I never bother placing things for that reason. Too much of a headache.

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>>378375273
If fucking ebonics has consistent grammar, then so do memes. You can meme incorrectly.

>>378395430
In the rare chance you haven't, have you ever given the thief and splintercell games a chance?

What was your favorite dungeon /v/?

I fucking loved me some rockmilk cave. Cleaned that place out close to a hundred times at least.

Bandits and Marauders duking it out, traps everywhere, great loot. Liked to get the goblins involved too by stealing one of their totems.

So how does the level scaling work in elderscrolls games?
Monsters will appear and disappear depending on the level you have reached? Does leveling affect other things like this?

>>378372545
>tfw you kill king minos and his demon minotaur.
Guys am I a demi-god yet?

>>378379873

source please

>>378397989
Of the three mainstream ES games, Morrowind does not have much if any scaling as far as I can recall. What's in the world is in the world for you to find.
Oblivion has lists for what'll spawn based on your level, which I believe tended to cap around 30. This includes both monsters and treasure, so you'll have like 5 different versions of some unique items. This meant that if you went into cave A at level 1, you'd probably find some skeevers and an iron sword, but if you came back in 10 levels you might run into bears and dwarven gear. This combined with the fact that it only ever considered your player level and not your stats or the level of your combat skills meant that it was pretty easy to get into a situation where the enemies outpower you because you happened to level up a few times from noncombat skills.
I never looked too deeply into how Skyrim scales. I believe they ended up going with some halfmeasure between Morrowind and Oblivions, in that enemies do scale to your level but certain types of areas have bounded ranges, like basic animal caves only scaling up to level 15 or something like that. As well, I believe the level of an area would be set when you entered it and stay that way for quite some time.
This is all from vague half memories, though. I haven't played any of the games in quite some time. Someone else will surely correct me.

>>378398820
Morrowind had no scaling but its progression was just awful. its piss easy once you get to level 10 or so, even with the difficulty slider at max.

I think that's why they did scaling for Oblivion, which is unfortunate because they replaced one blunder with another.

>>378373162
>people complain that this system is flawed instead of just gitting gud
No, the system *is* flawed. I don't care how high your level is, bandits and marauders should not be wearing glass and daedric armor, and the bullet sponge problem is very real.

And I say this as someone who actually *likes* Oblivion.

>people actually want to fight and one shot rats at level 70
I do agree with you on this point, though. I don't understand people who want the endgame to just be the player easily destroying everything. That's why I actually don't mind level scaling, but Oblivion didn't do it very well.

>>378371846
I walked into a group of three once and got raped.
But there is the minotaur in the mages guild quest line when you go in that one guys dream if i remember correctly

>>378399808
>I don't understand people who want the endgame to just be the player easily destroying everything.
Endgame ES characters are demigods, you shouldn't even be fighting rats and bandits at that point. The level scaling wouldn't be necessary if they just had well designed enemy progression.

>>378398090
Not him but I think it's a doujin based on danmachi. Just start from there

>>378373794
NMM doesn't work perfectly for Oblivion. Most Oblivion mods were designed specifically to work with Oblivion Mod Manager, so that's the program you should use. OBMM works a lot like NMM does, so it shouldn't be too hard to get used to.

You could also use Mod Organizer and run OBMM through it. It's a little convoluted to do it that way, but it works, and you'll get the advantages of MO, like profiles and a clean Data folder.

>>378374076
OBMM is all you'll really need for most of your modding. You'll probably only need other programs if you want to use a lot of mods that add new items to the leveled lists. Skyrim is actually worse in this regard, with a lot of mods requiring stuff like FNIS or a SkyProc patcher. A heavily-modded Skyrim will require three or four separate programs to make everything work.

>>378399808
I'd imagine for some it's for some sense of growth in power for your character. It's kinda hard to feel like you're growing more powerful if all the fights are around the same difficulty. But like that other anon said, you also can't get the experience of running into something way too powerful and then coming back later when you're stronger.

>>378400240
How are you even supposed to control enemy progression in a sandbox? How are you supposed to stop players from wanting to clear out a bandit lair just because it's there?

>>378374037
I get the impression that Imperial religion doesn't have the same kind of puritanical sexual mores that are often associated with real-world religion. The Imperial pantheon does include Dibella, after all, and she's basically the goddess of sluts.

>>378400669
You don't have to control the order the player experiences the environment.

You just have to be okay with having the player get BTFO because he went into a dungeon full of endgame monsters at level 6.

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>>378376071

This is a repost, fuck you OP

>>378400745
Aren't her priests even temple prostitutes?

>>378377332
>difficulty basically means how much health enemies have
Well, that and how much health *you* have. The only thing difficulty does in TES games is effectively give enemies more health and you less health. That's literally all it does.

So the ideal is to have different areas / dungeons with different levels of enemies?

For all its many critical flaws, I liked how FO4 had variation in difficulty based on area; particularly the coast, down south, the Glowing Sea, etc.

>>378401218
Weren't physical resistances in Oblivion kind of silly too? I remember getting to a point where my weapon was really just a vehicle to deliver deadly enchantments despite being the best kind of weapon you could get.

>>378400834
I don't really disagree with your point, but I don't think just scattering endgame shit around and letting the player sort it out can really be called "designed enemy progression"

>>378401764
Everything high-level in Oblivion is silly.

>>378378125
The Immersive Creatures mod adds them to Skyrim. I don't know what they're like in Morrowind, but in that mod, they're an enormous pain in the ass, in large part because they summon huge swarms of mudcrabs that always seem to destroy my FPS. And you can't even fucking disable them in the MCM like you can for a lot of the other new monsters.

>>378401764
Don't scatter it around randomly. The player should be able to figure out that the Volcano of Elemental Suffering is more dangerous than Honeysuckle Valley.

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>install Oblivion XP
>first time you kill something and get that chime sound
An XP system for leveling up just makes more sense, and is simpler.

>>378395871
Skyrim has a mod (Jaxonz Positioner) that gives you better control over placing stuff and also lets you lock things in place so the physics engine doesn't fuck them up. I don't know if Oblivion has an equivalent mod, though.

>>378394709
>honest to god monster porn
>furfags
leave

>>378398820
>I never looked too deeply into how Skyrim scales. I believe they ended up going with some halfmeasure between Morrowind and Oblivions, in that enemies do scale to your level but certain types of areas have bounded ranges, like basic animal caves only scaling up to level 15 or something like that. As well, I believe the level of an area would be set when you entered it and stay that way for quite some time.
>This is all from vague half memories, though. I haven't played any of the games in quite some time. Someone else will surely correct me.
Actually, you've pretty much got it. Dungeons have minimum levels, too. If you're level 1 and go to a dungeon with a level range of 10-25, everything in there will be level 10, and you most likely won't be able to survive it.

They also fixed the "bandits in daedric armor" problem. The best armor any bandit will ever wear is steel plate, and even then, it will only appear on bosses.

>>378400834
I'm more concerned with the flipside of that, which is that a dungeon that might have been really fun and interesting at level 10 is trivial at level 30, but the player missed it at level 10, so now they get a far worse experience in that dungeon. In principle, level scaling is more about maintaining challenge than handholding the player, despite what some critics might like to say.

>>378401036
Possibly. The priestess in Skyrim does say they offer "instruction".

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>>378371846
>be ridiculously overleveled
>bandits and hunters are wearing daedric armor
nah fuck this

>tfw never got to do the Knights of the Nine add-on because finding all the shrines was a pain in the ass

>>378404318
Aren't they on the map?

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>>378404318
>not just using console commands at that point

>>378395418
I wish. The posts would actually be higher quality than 80% of the shit posted on /v/ in the current year.

>>378373162
>There are people who actually support universal enemy scaling on this board

>>378403128
If the dungeon is boring and easy, just don't do it. The rewards will probably be worthless to you at your level.

Part of the problem is that Beth expects people to experience as much of the content in one playthrough as possible. Its okay to miss that dungeon on this playthrough.

>>378404363
They give you a little map that tells you the general vicinity of the shrines but they're still a pain in the dick to find because they're like 2 feet tall so you can't see them unless you're right on top of them due to them always being surrounded by grass and trees.

>>378404431
I've only ever played Oblivion on 360

>>378404318
Get the Map Marker Overhaul mod. One of its options is to give map markers to wayshrines.

>>378404363
No. They're not on the map or on your compass, and there are no quest markers for them. Not without mods, anyway.

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>tfw I broke the main quest by closing the kvatch oblivion gate BEFORE talking to martin and can't progress the quest anymore

>>378398820
There was some very minor scaling in Morrowind with loot from leveled lists that appeared in containers that could spawn random loot such as some crates and chests, but it was only complimenting the game and what can be found, not replacing everything with leveled loot.

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>>378404936

>>378404616
>If the dungeon is boring and easy, just don't do it. The rewards will probably be worthless to you at your level.
But there might be an interesting quest or story there, the drama of which will be severely reduced if there's no challenge.

I don't even think about loot. I like to do quests just for the quests themselves.

>Part of the problem is that Beth expects people to experience as much of the content in one playthrough as possible.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, except when it leads them to do things like making it possible to complete the mage's guild quest line without actually being a mage. The guilds should be something you do on separate playthroughs with appropriately-skilled characters, but I do like to do as many of the random sidequests as I can on the first playthrough.

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>>378404936
"Gah! Never mind!"

>>378405023
>orc warrior in full heavy armor
>Can i join the mages guild?
>lol ok
>become arch mage without knowing how to cast a single fucking spell they've "taught" you
>Killed mannimarco with a warhammer

>>378371846
I met them in my first playthrough in 2006 as a senior in high school. No idea what spawned them. I think you just had to be uber violent and explore a lot outside of the main story.

>>378402118
It kills the tedious grind as well. Some skills feel like they're literally impossible to get to 100 no matter how long you play.

>>378397859
That one where the dungeon is in a dream-like state. You had to get that artifact for a Daedric Prince. Giant tables, chairs on the ceiling, it was pretty fun.

>>378405191
>this is actually what happened irl and is the reason why we have no mages today.

>>378403128
Just change the difficulty slider, then.

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>>378405001
>>378405165

>>378405673
We've already discussed why the difficulty setting in Bethesda games doesn't actually make things more interesting.

>>378384678
>tfw some greek dicklet had such an inferiority complex that he went out of his way to convince society that big dicks were for barbarians

>>378405919
Such a shame, too. Wasn't there some mod for Skyrim that radically overhauled enemy AI?

>>378406070
You're probably thinking of Revenge of the Enemies. It did some good things, but it also gave some enemies some really bullshit powers.

>>378386020
Oblivion has scared me more times than I'd like to admit. And probably more than horror games too.

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>>378379516
>Oblivion's engine build is even less stable than FO3 and NV.

I have about 40 running and it's more stable than vanilla Skyrim was for me.

>>378388638
I fucking love your threads man. They're even better than Toddposting

>>378391898
>Aren't Minotaurs supposed to be capable of being civillised?
>If that the case I would find a lair of them, kill the adults and take thir children.

I think the Minotaurs and the Imga are about as intelligent as the Khajiit.

>>378405023
The dungeons in ES don't have interesting quests or stories.

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Who else, dispite seeing it dozens of times, still gets chills when listening to the new game opening cinimatic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOor7oQd1Ww

>>378406491
It's not about the number of mods, but how script-heavy they are.

>>378406623
Well, for the most part, that's true (with the possible exception of Oblivion - it had some good quests). But we're mostly talking in hypotheticals here anyway.

>>378400745
>The Imperial pantheon does include Dibella, after all, and she's basically the goddess of sluts.

In Oblivion, Dibella had more of a role closer to what Mara was in Skyrim. Dibella in Oblivion was more about love and the arts and Mara was associated with the hearth and home. In Skyrim, Mara was mostly associated with love and marriage while Dibella was largely just a sex goddess.

>>378401764
>Weren't physical resistances in Oblivion kind of silly too? I remember getting to a point where my weapon was really just a vehicle to deliver deadly enchantments despite being the best kind of weapon you could get.

In Skyrim you can enchant a wooden sword that is a child's toy or a fork into a deadly weapon that sets people on fire.

>>378371846
Did he block your path?
Slap your horse on the ass?
What did you do?

>>378406784
Wasn't Oblivion kind of an aberration in that regard, though? I remember seeing screenshots of Daggerfall where NPCs are talking about orgies in the Dibella temple, and the NPCs in the temple are practically naked.

I want to play oblivion again. Give me your list of recommended mods /v/

>>378406913
What did he mean by this?

>>378406623
>The dungeons in ES don't have interesting quests or stories.

The one where you have to kill the draugr is interesting.

>>378406924
Daggerfall was kinda fucked up. there was a prostitution guild.

>>378406924
>Wasn't Oblivion kind of an aberration in that regard, though?

I think so. I think it is better in Oblivion. Dibella's association with the arts and beauty makes her more interesting than a one-dimensional sex goddess.

>>378407115
I say combine the two. Make her a sex goddess who's also into art and beauty.

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What is with Bethesda and inappropriate jewellery on monsters?

>>378406973
The one mod you need is Immersive Interiors. Seriously, best mod ever.

>>378407218
And no creepy shit like Skyrim's "Only women can be high priests of Dibella!"

>>378407115
well Dibella still is about love/beauty/arts even in skyrim, I think it's a case of her normie followers usually being people who latch onto her celebration of sex

>>378371846
Wasn't it implied that these things were a bit smarter in the past, but some political bullshit led to their genocide or something?

Some lorefag should explain this shit man. I mean, if these things are St. Slut's children, then why go allahu akbar on them?

>>378371846
christ, Oblivion has the goofiest monster designs (and human faces as well)

>later game oblivion
>bandits start wearing elven armor
>really light and really valuable
>carry as much as humanly possible and sell it at a shop
>have more money than i know what to od with

>>378407218
>I say combine the two. Make her a sex goddess who's also into art and beauty.

Yes.

>>378407312
>well Dibella still is about love/beauty/arts even in skyrim, I think it's a case of her normie followers usually being people who latch onto her celebration of sex

She could be, but I can't think of a single instance of it being elaborated on.

>>378407382
>It's...it's you! The Hero of Kvatch!
>Wait, what are you doing lugging around those pieces of glass?
And the town was left penniless. There's probably an economics joke here, but heroes don't give a fuck about that.

>>378400745
Imperials are based off real world Ancient Romans. They had religious orgies and all that. It's in the historical records, and it's that sorta hedonism that Christianity was against.

>>378407475
The nords are simpler people. Courtship should be proof enough of that.

>>378407523
>it's the hero of ku-vatch!

>>378407523
>And the town was left penniless. There's probably an economics joke here, but heroes don't give a fuck about that.

My Count! The Hero of Kvatch arrived in town yesterday and sold 140 sets of glass armour in the market. The price of armour has collapsed completely! The armorsmith guild is in chaos. Their merchandise is useless and are already in debt due to that loan you gave them to build the new guildhall. They cannot pay their taxes.

We can either let the industry collapse, or debase our gold septims so we can give them another loan. It's a catastrophe!

>caught my little sister mastrubating to her character and party getting raped by monsters
I took away her computer and actively report degenerate lovers lab mods now. I'm one of the guys who got loli/shota pedo shit banned from there.

>>378407863
>debase
*Daedra worship intensifies*

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>>378407905
>caught my little sister masturbating to her character and party getting raped by monsters
>She sexmodded oblivion instead of skyrim

>>378407905
You must teach her the power the human dick

>>378407707
>The nords are simpler people. Courtship should be proof enough of that.

I think that courtship was an afterthought addition to the game. I wouldn't read too much into it. One of the writers developing the in-game lore in the readable books would probably make it way more different than just wearing a necklace until a complete stranger asks you to get married.

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>>378386020
>Arena quest
>Go to dungeon
>Mist everywhere
>Suddenly, vampire sprints up to me out of fucking nowhere and starts laying into me

This game is bullshit for jumpscares

>>378407905
did you fuck her?

>>378408010
>>debase
>*Daedra worship intensifies*

Debasement in gold coin currency means to melt the coins down and then mix in a less valuable metal so that you can have material to make more coins. You can make more coins by reducing how much gold is in the coin.

>>378408031
>tfw skyrim has the better looking characters and more functional lewd systems and genital physics
>tfw oblivion has the better animations
JUST

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>>378408031
>>caught my little sister masturbating to her character and party getting raped by monsters
>>She sexmodded oblivion instead of skyrim

Disgusting!

>>378408247
>This game is bullshit for jumpscares

>low draw distance
>walking through woods
>hear the combat music start
>look around, nothing
>still nothing
>nothing
>turn around
>MOUNTAIN LION

>>378408247
That's some pretty fucked up art. Source?

>>378405919
But your complaint was that the player will face enemies that pose no challenge if they want to go back and play an interesting, low level quest. In that case, the difficulty slider will make up for that, even if the difficulty is artificial. If the fight wasn't interesting before the slider, it won't be after and vice-versa. But it will help you eliminate the lack of drama caused by weak enemies.

>>378408401
well skyrim is a garbage game that might as well be used for porn.

Oblivion is a fucking treasure.

>>378386020
>>378406401
>>378408247
>>378408479
Fallout has done this to me more times than I can count
>try to fast travel
>can't fast travel when enemies are around
>no little red tick marks on hud
>suddenly smacked in the face by deathclaw out of nowhere
or
>start game
>minding own business
>malcolm holmes out of fucking nowhere with his star caps story

>>378408595
if by treasure you mean "so bad it's good" cornyness then yeah
the game is terrible but the voice acting and npc interactions are fucking hilarious

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>>378408649
>walking along a presumably safe road
>sacrificed a few points in perception for intel but compensate with 4 eyes perk and wearing hats
>glasses and hat were "broke" so i wasnt wearing them
>Get shot from something in the distance
>Lily runs past me with her virtibird blade in hand
>"GET BEHIND GRAMMA!"
>finally catch up to her and see a dead deathclaw and 3 dead legion assassins and 1 getting beaten to death by lily
>Lily runs behind me
>die instantly
>see lily fighting a deathclaw with final moments

>>378407863
"The merchants will be okay. Haven't you noticed that they never run out of gold no matter how much stuff they buy from adventurers? And that weird OCD habit of theirs where they're perfectly willing to make two 600-gold transactions, but not one 1200-gold transaction. I don't understand it."

>>378408595
>oblivion is a treasure
We've come full circle. How long until skyrim gets the same treatment?

>>378377273
>>378377593
I only encountered like one of these, and it was completely by accident. I don't think I even fought it.

>>378409212
We'd need a newer entry to shit on, I think.

>>378409212
What oblivion lacks in world building and setting it makes up for in a ton of varied and fun quests (which morrowind severely lacked).

Skyrim has neither, only reason I consider redownloading it is to install lewd mods.

>>378376413
I swear I've seen the concept in other works before, but I guess CoC popularized it.

>>378378821
If you choose 'The Steed' for your birth sign you get a permanent +20 to speed which really goes a long way. Getting used to riding the silt-bus and boats also really helps.

>>378409136
What was with that anyway? I feel like somebody fucked up some script that actually reduced vendor money after a transaction and they just never bothered to patch it or something.

>>378409531
dont forget mark and recall and intervention. Those have saved me from having to walk out of a necromancer's dungeon naked numerous times.

How am I even supposed to play as a mage in Morrowind? I don't have enough Magicka to even kill one cliff racer and then I'm just fruitlessly trying to stab with a dagger for the rest of the journey to a different town.

>>378409617
it's just a max value you can sell the item for to the vendor, but they never run out of money to dump shit to them
in the way it works it made a lot more sense to have the investment thing for mercantile since it makes selling shit way more efficient

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Why do I find all TES games apart from Skyrim really boring? And even that gets boring cause it's shallow.

Arena was cool for the first 2 hours but low draw distance in dungeons killed it.
Daggerfall felt completely off and random in the first dungeon.
Morrowind is way too slow and hard to orient yourself in the first town because of the lack of distinct landmarks.
Oblivion feels empty and bland as fuck.

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>>378409720
Level INT and WIS.
Brew and use potions.
Tag a weapon skill so that you don't want to kill yourself early-game (spears are dope).
Low level fragility is the price you pay for being literally invincible and omnipotent late-game.

>>378409763
Daggerfall is the only TES game I finished. The rest were too meandering.

>>378409763
because they're all really dull RPGs that don't have an engaging world or story
it's just go to place and kill this, or walk through the samey wilderness to go into another identical dungeon

>>378409720
>>378409924
Also be sure to pick up the constant effect +10 WIS +10 INT amulet from the tomb just up the coast from Seyda Neen.

Also don't use flame spells on Dunmer.

>>378409720
carry potions, train up a single weapon skill as a backup i prefer blunt and carrying a staff so it doesnt look out of place, learn how to make cost effective spells, instead of doing a 12 point fireball use 20% fire weakness for 3 seconds and 10 points fire damage. Playing mage requires extremely careful planning.

>>378373162
In Morrowind, the Scribs have a low enough aggression that when you level high enough they won't fight you. I don't know why other animals and shit tier enemies didn't get the same thing because it feels super nice walking past all the little animals. Having crappy bandits not aggro and even ask you not to wreck them would have been cool

>>378410220
scribs dont aggro unless you hit them.

And if you boost your personality to the thousands with broken alchemy and enchants that exact scenario will happen. Hell i think even dagoth ur wont fight you if your personality is high enough.

>>378409763
becasue you are a weeb shitter who should comit suicide

>>378402118
Kind of sad there's nothing like it for Skyrim

>>378408247
Fuck, I would love to get some scissors and go to town on those things.

his penis looks fun

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>>378404158
>daedras invading all over the place
>bandits manage to kill some and salvage their equipment

>>378376462
Help him out by blowing him

>>378406573

And?
Khajiit are smart.

Can we agree that Ayleid ruins were best dungeons in series?

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>thread makes me want to continue my level 3 character (tons of mods so leveling is slower, he is at 8h playtime)
>doing the assassin missions
>need to kill Baelin by having his Minotaur trophy head fall on him for bonus
>enter house at specified time
>he is not in his chair, but sleeping
>leave and try again tomorrow
>same shit happens
>kill him in his bed
>sneak down and want to kill Baelin's bodyguard too
>he is strong and easily tanks my sneak attack with poisoned weapon
>suddenly a guard enters the house
>starts attacking the bodyguard and kills him
>steal everything and report back to the Dark Brotherhood

>>378402118
One of the big things with Oblivion with Guns is that the XP system means you can realistically level skills that you don't spend every waking moment to level up.

Meanwhile in all TES games, Acrobatics & Athletics is a extremely shit skill, that is basically trainer or bust to get it anywhere. And it doesn't even add anything fancy when you do.
As much as I approve of "use to make stronger", its really horrible for a lot of skills. Especially when Athletics gives you too much for leveling.

>>378407225
D&D art at its finest adaption.

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>>378415374
>Meanwhile in all TES games, Acrobatics & Athletics is a extremely shit skill, that is basically trainer or bust to get it anywhere.

how does it feel to be wrong, a casual, and vindicated by bethesda removing those skills to please the retarded masses you are a part of ?

nigger

>>378415374
Acrobatics and athletics level on their own if you stop using the fucking fast travel for one fucking second you fucking retard.
In fact, it's like it makes fucking sense for skills tied to travel to level-up while TRAVELING.

>>378380606
Buy subnautica you little fuckboi

>>378410220
Sacred kinda has that in the sense that all enemies that have a grey healthbar (meaning they are way lower in level than you) will not aggro unless you go really close to them. It's pretty cool
>tfw walking around with enchanted gear that makes low level enemies explode on sight

>>378401218

It doesnt, it scales your damage, at max difficulty you deal 16 times less damage - normal difficulty is 1/1 - max is 1/16.

Enemies just turn into sponges, just play on normal and be done with it. Also, its easy as fuck to make a Dark Souls setting - just needs a few small edits in game settings - weapon damage scales with strength, bows with agility.

After that, every strike can be fatal to you or the enemy.

>>378371846
Oh its this thread again

>>378371846
Fun fact minotaurs were actually respected members of Imperial society at one point. Alessia the one who freed the humans from the Ayelids screwed a minotaur. A minotaur would go on to even be a emperor. Why they fell from grace I don't know. It's Bethesda after all

>>378418971
>Fun fact minotaurs were actually respected members of Imperial society at one point. Alessia the one who freed the humans from the Ayelids screwed a minotaur. A minotaur would go on to even be a emperor. Why they fell from grace I don't know. It's Bethesda after all

I wonder this myself too.
If they were great once what cause them to become savages?
That's why I would love to help them to wmbrace civillisation again.
Would be nice if they would gave us a quest for it in the new game.

>Want to play Oblivion again
>Start modding it
>3 days later finally get most of the mods working together
>Game still randomly crashes in certain areas and around Skingrad

Fuck this game. Why is it so hard to run?

>>378371846
Shitty auto-leveled world, that's how

>>378419107
It's only specualtion that they were too intimidating. I want something more canon lore tbough as to what their fall from grace was not just speculation.

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>>378384159

>food analogy

>>378419107
There's a book about them in ESO.

>>378419469
Go on share with the class

>>378419469
Not Canon

>Play through for first time
>Pick spell blade as my class
>Don't have any magicka for cool destruction spells so spend the game throwing fireballs that do no damage
>Have no strength so I can't loot shit without buying feather potions
>My attacks with a sword do no damage (does higher blade level mean more damage or is it just better charge attacks?) and somehow I'm fighting enemies in mythril armor when I'm still wearing still

Did I fuck up somewhere?

>>378418971
>woman fucked a minotaur

Wtf what is this cuckoldry?

>>378419863
Hybrids are tough in oblivion. All modern rpgs are becoming tough for hybrid classes

>>378419948
Samefagging here rpgs are not even becoming rpgs anymore

>>378419943
I think it wasn't a minotaur but Winged Bull deity?

>>378420095
It could of even been just a regular bull, for it to be a deity would mean it would join the pantheon of gods which is not referenced.

>>378374328
How would you know that's from reddit?

>>378420423
There was first era right after the Ayelids got overthrown by tbe humans.

>>378419863
You're just shit. Making an effective character in fucking Oblivion isn't hard

>>378419948
>Hybrids are tough in oblivion
Bullshit, I am playing a thief with excellent bartering skills who fights using his acrobatic skills, all sorts of magic and swords while making fat cash on the side from being a potion brewer. Currently I am mostly traveling from town to town in search of ingredients and houses to steal from.

>got Skyrims combat to feel like a slightly worse Dark Souls with mods
>gonna start my Vigilant playthrough soon

I hope I will finally have fun agin with this piece of shit game.

anyone have any Oblivion build images?

going to play for the first time in years and I want to be able to roll a unique character to RP as

>>378374328
I thought it was funny

>>378420608
What I meant is a hybrid that makes sense to the game. You can have a sword wielding mage, or a thief using magic. However a character who is head of thieves, mage, fighter, arena, hero of kvatch, champion of Cyrodil makes the player suspend belief in each guild since it's so easy to aquire.

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>>378419943
>cuckoldry
What? Morihaus-Breath-of-Kyne was the consort to Queen Alessia.

>>378378667
i am not a modder, nor did i mod any game at all and even played oblivion vanilla. but do you have the option to download all the mods you want, set them up and save everything into a file so you just copy files in the install directory, the next time you want to play? this way you could fire the game up whenever you feel like it and already have it set up the way you want.

>>378420745
get this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmxpN73v6Q
be Indiana Jones in oblivion.

>>378420745
Be a stealth archer
Gain access to master Destruction level
Enchant bows with drain health for 100 pts for 1 second
You can put another enchantment because 100 points for 1 second is inexpensive as fuck

>>378406648
>that battering ram type thing
forgot about that
oblivion ranks pretty high on the list of bethesda's typical "underwhelming main quests"

>>378420720
>>got Skyrims combat to feel like a slightly worse Dark Souls with mods
what mods?

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>>378420745
rolling for myself

>>378421175
rolling for argonian as always

>>378421175
Rolling for fun

>>378421060
>>378421060
a fucking lot of them, the most important being:

TK Dodge 3.0
Mortal enemies
Lock-on mechanism
Souls Quick Menu
Vigor (especially that poise mechanic)
Grimys Combat Patcher

+ lots of small mods removing blur, the stagger camera, killmoves, blood spatter on screen etc.

I also emulated the controller layout of Dark Souls 3 with about 80% accuracy. It feels surprisingly good. Actual fun in Skyrim.

>tfw just completed mythic dawn mod questline
how does oblivion have so many good quest mods?

>>378421316
thanks

>people praising halo and morrowind was considered newfaggotry and dudebroism of the highest order
>now oblivion is a treasure and halo 1-3 are considered to be some of the greatest games of all time
why do you people come here
just go back to where you came from you fucking retarded shits if you're not willing to play better games god fucking DAMNIT

>>378421383
you're welcome, keep in mind that it's a bit of a pain in the ass to set up though

>>378376413
>addictive minotaur semen

I want to know more about this "meme"

>Playing through story
>NPCs are chatting about other provinces like Morrowind abolishing slavery or Skyrim going to war somewhere

I don't know anything about ES lore but that's pretty cool. Does Skyrim reference the events of Oblivion and mention Tamriel/the player?

Also where will the next game be set? One of the southern provinces?

>>378410354
personality doesn't have shit to do with whether things are hostile towards you. Disposition in general don't affect people attacking you, though certain spells do.

>>378371846
>I never completed the Arena questline

You obviously have never played Oblivion

>>378421524
>always
Doesnt matter where it takes place as long as it encompasses the next great war

>>378416606
He's just so fucking wrong. I mean you'd think it was bait, but for what purpose?

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>>378421420
what games do YOU like anon

>>378386020
Lost at
>character yells
And I don't know why

>>378421175
rollerino

>>378414103
>Can we agree that Ayleid ruins were best dungeons in series?
No. They look nice, but they're copy-pasted shit, and the developers admitted it.

>>378421524

I honestly don't remember if Oblivion does this but Skyrim definitely does. Loads of NPC's and books mention events from previous games.

>>378421518

There is a game called Corruption of the champions where your OC can encounter many types of monster and fuck/get fucked by them.
One of the monsters in this game is minotaur.
They have cum that can make you addicted to it if you had tasted it quite a few times. After some time you become so addicted to it that your character leaves his quest to find the source of the minotaur cum scent and finds Minotaur village where she/he stays and used as cumdump for the rest of his life.

>>378421772
I don't fucking like videogames they all suck shit
I like spyro and wipeout and fallout
not fallout "DUDE POP CULTURE GET ID T:^))))))))))))" 2

>>378421794
>thief, warrior or witchunter
>neutral
>dunmer
literally exactly what i'm doing in morrowind right now wtf

>>378421175
How do you supposed to roleplay as a bard?

>>378421869
you must be really fun to be around

>>378420568
What am I doing wrong? I'm using a lich sword but it takes forever to kill anything but I get royally fucked when more than one enemy gang up on me. The trolls in the painted world fucked me up and I had to cheese them by getting on the rocks. I also have to spend 3 minutes after every fight spamming heal minor wounds.

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>>378373162

>>378408327
how about you put all the gold somewhere safe and make money of literal trash like paper? Nah, that would be retarded.

>>378422029
go fuck yourself I don't need friends

>>378422052
Forgot to add that for some reason heal major wounds costs like 5x the magicka but only heals twice as much wtf.