Is there ever a time when a defense hero is the best choice,

>>378370449
Widow is top tier.

The attackers like phara and reaper work as defense as well

>>378370605
No she isn't. Not at any level of play.

>>378370724
t. Bad player

Hanzo and Widow should be removed from the game because for 99% of the playerbase they are a dead pick, waste of a slot.

>>378370449
I like junkrat

Torb and Symmetra are broken desu
Dps with 350 hp, real fucking nice.

>>378370769
Even the best players in the world are rarely picking her right now man.

>>378370724
Not.

Mei shits on all the offense characters besides Pharah

>>378370892
hes the funnest of the bunch and he triggers all the metafags autism. its like a 2-for-one deal at walmart

>>378370449
Literally whenever you want. Stop taking this game seriously.

>>378371934
Stick to single player games if you're not willing to do whatever it takes to win at all times.
Don't waste my fucking time.

>>378370892
Junkrat is the only one that is good out of that list

>>378371934
I've taken it causually for a while. I want to do one tryhard season and then probably shelf it.

Symmetra is thebest defense hero.

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>>378370449
>Attacking or defending
>Team already has Reinhardt.
>Go Bastion
>Follow Reinhardt around
>Deploy whenever possible
>Shred other team at best
>Temporarily hold other team back making it easy for my team to push at worst

I don't like playing as either of the other defenders, but Bastion is fucking boss.

Mei is the only one that is good i nearly all situations. She sees about as much use as the main offense characters.

Bastion and Torb are situational as fuck. If the map and team work with them, they can be top tier, but it requires total cooperation so good luck.

Junkrat only works when there is nothing to counter him. In my experience, he can absolutely shit on everyone if played right. Problem is, the moment a Pharah or Zarya shows up, he is totally unplayable. He is the most hard countered class in the game.

Hanzo and Widow are sniper shitters and only exist because you "all shooters need snipers meme". They are fucking useless.

>>378370605
>>378370724
Like any character, its situational

offense DPS is more about survivability in addition to damage, whereas defensive DPS is either about shitting out a ton of damage or high damage to precise targets at the cost of survivability.

That's not exactly the simple answer you were looking for, though.

>>378372906
>Hanzo and Widow are sniper shitters and only exist because you "all shooters need snipers meme". They are fucking useless.
>Useless

I have to painfully disagree with you. As much as I fucking hate getting killed by snipers. I have to admit. I love playing as bastion, and without those snipers, I could just sit at any high point in a game and stay deployed all day.

>>378370449
Torb is best because if you're even somewhat competent, you can abuse the instant lock-on damage by hiding it far away and letting it take pot shots for you, usually around the corner so your team can shoot them while they're off trying to deal with the constant dps.

Also his gun is the shit and will fuck everyone up, all the time. Using that to wipe half a team and then hitting Q to kill the rest is the best.

To be fair, Sym is the best defense, but there's a glitch that labels her as support.

>>378373415
>tfw you can never play Torb on koth maps without your team going full retard and shitpicking in response.

He's fucking good but no one gives him a chance

>>378372208
Play a real competitive game, pussy.

>>378370797
Make that 100% of the playerbase, they have 0% pickrate in actual tournaments.

Well widow has some rare picks, hanzo is never picked though

They are both severely underpowered especially in a dive metagame

>>378372208
>being this serious at a casual strategy game
Why tho? There are better things to spent your time and effort on.

>>378373764
The only time I get down on a torb player is when they lose their turret the first time and then just keep dying trying to set up a new one.

They waste SO much time and leave us effectively down a player while they keep failing to read the situation properly.

>>378370449
Nope all of them are dumpster tier, literally the whole category

I dont know how blizzard is this bad at balancing

But as long as tracer, winston and genji are meta, the whole defense category will be garbage since they shut them down too hard

>>378374451
Torb can make Tracer and Genji feel bad sometimes.

>>378374586
Yeah but he is still shit vs coordinated dive comps

>>378374586
If the tracer and genji is going in alone and getting fucked by the turret, they are just bad.

>>378374586
torb can make a good genji feel bad like, once. Then unless he swaps turret positions it's gonna get taken out.

>>378373243
That they can reliably shut down another shit tier character doesnt make them good.

A soldier can easily shut down a bastion just as well btw, impossible to miss helix rockets on a stationary target.

>>378372208
Go play comp autismo

>>378370449
I love goingntorbnand wrecking people with his gun while people are focused on the turret
Too easy

>>378374943
>play teamgame
>dont want to play in a team

You pick Mei when you're losing and you just want to frustrate the other team due to pettiness, and that's it

Bastion is still pretty bad, even after the rework. Hes better than before but still easy to deal with and just outclassed by other dps

Hanzo and Widow can actually be really good if you can hit shots, but both of their ults are on the low end. Barriers being everywhere doesn't help. In general most DPS are way more reliable

Junkrat is a fucking joke. Pharah basically completely outclasses him in everyway, and while his abilities are actually pretty decent, his ult is easily the worst in the game. Its loud as shit, easy to take out, and leaves you completely defenseless while you use it.

Mei is also really bad. Her kit is more annoying than actually effective at this point. No one at any rank higher than platinum is going to go into a choke so you can wall them off. Cyrofreeze is basically nothing but a stall ability, because any competent team will either just run away from you if your in a 1v1, or instantly kill you in a teamfight when you come out.

Torb can actually be really decent on certain defensive holds, but basically needs to switch as soon as the hold breaks. Is basically useless in pro play though

Heres your meme chart fags

>>378375061
>waah play the game how I say so!
Yea, you're really a team player

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>>378375202
Wrong chart

>>378375202
>console
el o el

The defense heroes are pretty useless. They don't have the staying power of tanks so they can't get on point to deny a push. They don't have the reliable damage output of a DPS so they can't play cleanup. Their ults are mostly for utility since they're all easily dodged or destroyed. Not really any good reason to pick any of them, except maybe Widow if the enemy team is running Pharmercy. Which they probably are.

>>378375240
More like how its supposed to be played

Thats like joining a soccer team and you keep kicking the ball out of bounds because "its fun lmao"

Defense is in a horrible spot right now, as Solider and Pharah can easily out class them in defense scenarios.

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>>378375340
Was about to shitpost all over you for playing Overwatch on the console.

>>378375406
It's almost like their role is designed around holding points or preventing the other team from holding the point. How mysterious.

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>>378370449
Been a long time since I lost with Bastion on Hanamura, on defense. Grandmaster btw

>>378370449
Map and other team's comp helps the pick. If they're shield-heavy, I do Junk to break their momentum fairly simply.

hanzo is good for attacking Gibraltar for a little bit to stop hog rapeing your entire team from high ground. i also want to say he's legit good on kings row.

widow is good in general for 2 cp but countered pretty quickly. strong char but the way the game is played currently sucks for her for the most part imo.

the other defense chars are kind of w/e and irrelevant. torbjorn can function, bastion can function, junkrat can function on very few maps and mei is good esp on last point two cp but nothing making her a best pick.

>>378375497
Except they literally can't do either one. Even more mysterious.

>>378375202
>console

>>378375497
But they are bad at their role and most offensive heroes do their role better than the defense heroes.

Soldier is in any case a better pick than all of the defense heroes

any defense pick outclasses reaper, regardless of game mode, team comp, or player skill

>>378375661
Soldier is a better pick than any other dps at this point.
>good consistent long range damage
>breaks barriers fast, shreds tanks from range
>rockets are fantastic burst
>can heal himself and teammates
>sprint is just good
>ultimate has literally 0 downsides and lets you almost always get atleast 1 kill provided their barrier is down

What kind of nerf does he need blizzard?
>20 damage per bullet to 19 per bullet

Thanks blizzard

>>378373000
nice trips but
>reinhardt
>soldier
>situational

>>378375885
True but reaper is probably the worst overall character right now

And the only offense hero that is not a high tier pick

>>378373000
Lucio is not situational.

>>378376023
>Reinhardt being good in dive comps

>>378376062
he used to be the best at shitting on mediocre hogs that think they're all that because they can get well kills on ilios, but now its all about orisa showing retarded hogs how environment kills are really done

>>378375340
mercy one tricks fucking hell man

>>378370449
I played during the free weekend and Torb was my favourite character to play as. Dude's versatile, easy to use, and his handgun can be more effective than his turret against squishier enemies.

>>378372812

I play Bastion a lot and a buddy who mains Rein. I miss the days of getting an Ana boost while he blocks shit and just totally tearing people apart with headshots. He still tears shit apart, but not having critical hits sucks.

Also his Recon mode is incredible, you're basically a larger, less mobile S76. Instead of rockets you can turn into a gun. You can heal through a shitload of damage while it's happening to you now too.

>>378376175
reinhardt IS good in dive comps

>>378370449
i want to be windowmaker

>>378376447
i think recon mode gun has less spread than soldiers too

>>378376329
The irony is that Hog counters reaper better than reaper counters hog

Hell most of the other tanks either go even or beat reaper or can straight up ignore him.
So much for being the designated tank buster

>>378376175
>has a fuckhuge range dash that can instakill
>not good in dive comps

>>378376449
>team dives
>you stand there and block nothing because your entire team is flankers and a Winston
No

>>378376582
i was about to say that hog only consistently counter reaper at mid diamond or above, but then i remembered that the only consistent thing about sub diamond is SIMPLE GEOMETRY

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>>378375340
>>378375885
Ideas for making him not shit? He literally has less use than any other hero in PC grandmaster

I think replacing his soul orbs with 20% passive life steal is a fair
>gives him alot more sustain in 1v1
>makes his ult even more heavily punish grouped enemies, but still leaves you really vulnerable if you fuck up

>>378376421

This is b8

>>378370449
Why isn't Symmetra on Defense?

>>378376750
?

>>378376635
>people getting hit by charge without outside assistance above gold

>>378376706
oh my lord this goober thinks winston is better for diving than rein

>you charge
>team dives onto your position
>you're now a dive team with actual point presence beyond winstons whopping 600hp barrier

>>378376775
No idea. I get that she doesn't have to heal to be a support, but the fact is her kit is DESIGNED around defending. If they want her to be a support give her more offensive options.

Please Blizzard give us an offensive builder I miss offensive engie so bad

>>378376917
>goober

How is overwatch even related to guilty gear

>>378376863
>people being scared of winston outside of bronze

>>378376863
>still on the point faster than a fucking tracer with a 2k HP shield for your team

>>378376968
she's basically only support due to her ults.

carwash ruins retards but her real strength is her tele or infinite shields forever, unlike torb who basically only gives out armor when your team is already winning

>>378377072
Tell me what a Genji can do against the hot monkey dick

>>378375414
that does sound fun

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>>378376917
Yeah I do.
Winstons shield is actually going to block shit for your team. Reins not going to be assisting at all when your team is zipping and teleporting around everywhere.

>>378377256
Maybe for a downie

>>378377235
murder you without even trying
>genjis being scared of winston outside of ai practice range

CTF really shows you the utility of defense classes. Unfortunately there will never be competitive CTF

>>378377235
swap to tracer and peg his peanut butter booty

>>378375523
How does a person even get to Wood Rank? You'd have to intentionally throw.

>>378377360
its even more fun because it makes autists like you upset

>>378377278
>a shield that moves and can be grought up any time cant defend a mobile team like a tiny static bubble with a ridiculous cooldown can!

>>378377429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfbRXGePhfU

>>378377487
>autist

Ironically this is coming from the guy who probably has zero friends and was always picked last in sports because he doesnt understand social contracts

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>>378372906
>Junkrat only works when there is nothing to counter him. In my experience, he can absolutely shit on everyone if played right. Problem is, the moment a Pharah or Zarya shows up, he is totally unplayable. He is the most hard countered class in the game.

I play Junkrat the most, and even with buffs he is still useless if there is a Pharah. He needs shorter cool downs on mine and trap, and trap needs be able to be thrown like the mine. D.va also shouldn't be able to eat them. 1 extra grenade in the clip would also help. He could also use a alt fire like Mei to take care of airborne enemies. Like, the alt-fire deals good damage to airborn enemies but crap to grounded enemies.

>>378377429
i had some pretty appalling placement matches and got put in silver, i wouldn't be surprised if people get put in bronze then get stuck there. I've heard it's pretty fucking bad.

>>378377565
its even funnier because i have actual friends and we love to lobby and not give a fuck just because people like ((you)) cry when we dont

>>378377643
They would never ever implement a mechanic that specifically counters a single character like extra damage vs airborne targets (pharah)

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>>378370449
Someone explain what's special about this game. Been playing it for 2 days, hit level 12 so far, it's a nice game but how in god's name is it this popular and succesful at a price point of 40 yurodollars?
>inb4 blizzard
>inb4 waifus
Any other reason?

Junkrat is the most fun hero in the game and that's what matters

>>378377534
I feel like at that level, there are a ton of people trying to race to the bottom on purpose for shits and giggles. If they aren't those type of people, they are possibly people with some kind of illnesses. People who make these race to the bottom videos aren't too funny when you think about who is actually at the bottom.

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>>378377072
Winston is the highest picked tank

>>378377801
>intentionally griefing

How does it feel to be a broken sociopath?

>>378377909
>not taking overwatch as seriously as you is griefing
wew

Torb was viable on Consoles until Blizzard nerfed him

Widow & Junkrat are both good, but get hard countered by Winston & Pharah

Mei, Bastion & Hanzo are just shit

>>378376980
biggest bait/strawman I've seen in a while.

>>378377981
If you play ranked it is, since the goal of ranked is winning at any cost.

In QP you can do whatever the fuck you want

>>378377643
why should heroes be immune to being shutdown? i main symm and i dont complain that she needs buffs against winston or pharah, i just switch. the game is based around picks and counter picks. if a hero needs a buff its because theyre nearly never usable, not when they're countered by one or two other heroes.

>>378377491
>a shield that only blocks in one direction that's attached to a character with no mobility outside of a button that might as well be a suicide bind is better on the team comp focused on jumping into the middle of the enemy team and fucking people than a giant sphere attached to a character with great mobility on a short cooldown
Bronze

>>378377907
>pharah and mercy have the exact same usage

heh, so even at the pro level that's a thing

>>378378118
Hard counters are just bad design in general. If one hero can instantly loses all value because the enemy team changes to their counter then there is zero reason to play that hero if the enemy team is competent enough to counter you.

>>378377907
rip my boy reaper

>>378377859
It's relatively unique in a modern industry that's oversaturated with brown and grey call of duty clones.
Anyone who says waifus and blizzard is a memeing retard.

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>>378377804
Launch people with mine to make them airborne, double jumping genjis, long jump Winston, Mercy,(kek) Zen.

>>378370769
>charecter has a nearly 0 pick rate at comp level
>"but muh theoretical 1 shot headshots"

>>378372208
Don't take casual games so seriously yo.

>>378378281
its not a hard counter if you can still possibly fight back

a junk can still hit a pharah if he tries and a symm can still trick winston into a carwash if shes good enough

>>378370449
Junk for King of the Hill
Mei for general defense

Not sure what you guys are doing wrong but I always get golds with these 2

>>378378281
>enemy switches to pharah to counter junk
>you switch to soldier/ana/widow to counter pharah

>>378370449
Bastion effectively shreds Shields better than everyone, even Junk who is supposed to be a shield destroyer, on top of ripping people to pieces with damage in 2 seconds.

He has downsides but the ability to wholly cockblock Winston from hopping in and out on the backline as well as keeping Rein from pushing in to ult / get his team in position is big.

He's kind of a Tracer counter as well since if you hover the mouse on her at the range she generally attacks from she's dead in about half a second.

>>378378460
Then why Battleborn and Paladins aren't nearly as successful?

>>378370449
Hard counter for every defense hero
>Bastion
Ana and Roadhog
>Hanzo
literally any hero. Only if his op one shot hits you are dead
>Junkrat
on some maps he is great, but mostly Pharah can just shit on him
>Mei
After she has used her heal and wall she is a free kill on mid and long distance
>Torb
Pharah destroys every turret he places
>Widow
If you haven't god tier aim you get countered by a Mercy

But there is a reason why Ana, Lucio, Soldier 76 are on every real team because they are the best for every situation. Also a Rein/Winston depending on the situation. Even a Dva/Roadhof is pretty much in every team. The last spot is mostly a Tracer.

There are a few cases where Pharah/Mercy or other combinationes are used. The defense heroes are just a pick in a specific situation and after that they switch.

If you couldn't switch heroes all matches would be Soldier, Ana, Lucio, Rein, Roadhog, Tracer because those heroes have everything you want. God tier heal from Ana, speedboost from Lucio, an imergency heal from Soldier, a shield from Rein, a one shot hook, and god tier dps from Soldier and Tracer. Tracer has also the good side that even if you die you are really fast at the battle again.

>>378378770
But those situations are honestly pretty rare. The fact is there is very little interplay because the counter will almost always have a major edge in those situations

Compare that to the engineer in tf2 for example. His sentry gun has a lot of counters. Spies, Snipers, Explosive Classes, Ubers, there's a lot. However, the engineer can counter these strategies through good team play, positioning, and game sense. But those counters are still effective enough where they are a threat to the engineer.

Not saying this type of interplay doesn't exist in overwatch, it does with a lot of characters. But in the situations you described there really is no interplay. The pharah or winston will almost always come out there because they so greatly outclass them.

>>378379029
>he doesnt know what good marketing is

>>378379029
Advertisement
More than half of the Overwatch characters are meant to be played without any skill required
Events
Paladins isn't a finished product
Hi-Rez doesn't have the same money as Blizzard for projects

Can go on and on and on

Paladins is pretty OK though, not sure about Battleborn yet

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>>378379294
>not sure about Battleborn yet

>>378379029
Battleborn had next to no marketing and was genuinely garbage even by normie standards.
Paladins is still in beta and only recently got a console release. It also had some stigma due to it being painted as an Overwatch clone with worse graphics and sound design.

>>378379505
I've heard that the game is empty

I just mean that I haven't played it; if it goes to 5 bucks on PC or f2p I'll give it a shot. I'm not going to take /v/'s word for it

>>378378880
Those heroes don't completely stomp on Pharah though. If the pharah has good positioning she can avoid sightlines or just be out of effective range of these heroes. But they still counter her.

In Pharah vs Junkrat on the other hand Pharah will almost always win, because she can stay out of his effective range almost 100% of the time.

>>378379546
The fucked up thing is they aren't even really close; it's like comparing Smite to Heroes of the Storm

Paladins at least has a lot more character attribute customization

>>378370724
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH WOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY THAT

>>378379649
Only if Junk is too stupid to go inside or under some cover - Pharah is weak sauce. She only gets played cause she takes no skill, way overrated

>>378373210
Also, offence dps are all about mobility, whereas defence dps are more suited to camping tactics.

>>378370449
But I love using Bastion...

>>378379628
This is actually one game you wanna take /v/'s word for. They need to actually pay you play the game.

>>378372208
>Don't waste my fucking time.
No, YOU don't waste MY fucking time. I'll play the character I want. You play the character you want. If it doesn't work, tough shit, it's the game's fault.
That the game is so heavily dependent on shitty rigid composition like it were a fucking MMO Trinity is a big fucking testament as to the shitty design of "Hero" games where characters are pigeonholed into Roles or Classes with no flexibility or versatility. When it is so bad so that more than two thirds of the cast are effectively useless and a select few are absolutely mandatory 100% of the time, the game is not worth anyone's time.

>>378379736
Some of the characters and gamemodes are pretty similar, but yeah I'd mostly agree with you. It's a lot more MOBAlike than Overwatch is.

>>378370449

Mei is incredibly strong vs teams with 3+ tanks/teams getting carried by their tanks

>>378371069
and the best players in the world pick reaper and everyone and their mother complain reaper has no place in today's meta

>>378379939
I main Mei and Sombra and always wreck Bastions - even McCree is good against you

>>378377534
This makes me happy.

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>>378379742
I really thought this was a meme and no one actually says this in real life, yet here I am, witnessing it unironically.

>>378380061
My man.

Even Jeff Kaplan has said that hero catagories mean next to nothing, and exist only as a way for new players to orientate themselves.

>>378380323
There's some pretty bad picks though, the categories do mean something

>Attack Torb
>Attack Widow (usually)
>Attack Bastion
>Defensive Genji
>Offensive Assault Ana

>>378380597

I love going attack torb every round and carrying just to spite idiots like you

>>378380696
I love people who lie on an anonymous board

>>378380735

I love you, anon <3

>>378380126
Reaper literally has a zero percent pickrate in the pro scene friend.
Though I know some pros would love it if he was viable. I think shadder2k said he would prefer playing Reaper if he wasn't pure shit.

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>>378370449
>OW

Defense heroes are good when the enemy is getting carried by an offense hero.

Also widow is top tier on attack if you're good with her

>>378371887
>tfw main junkrat
>tfw always yelled at on every single fucking game
If we lose it's always Junkrat's fault. But if we win it's always thanks to our mercy never using her ult because she wants 5-man revive potg.

When will OW threads become a bannable offense? Not because it isn't vidya or anything, just because of the terminal shit taste.

>>378380597
Widow is better on attack than defense by huge margin, and Ana is a good pick literally any time any mode.

>>378377680
If you are a Reinhardt or Support main you can get stuck in the basement. D.Va is an automatic out of Bronze, then Roadhog is automatic out of silver.

>>378380934
When you realize you can hide threads or leave the board at anytime.

>>378380871
She's definitely a solid choice at the beginning of a round during El Dorado and Kings Row for attack

Good offensive Widows are few and far between though

>>378370449
Situational. Depends on the map and what your team's objective on it is.

As a rule of thumb, does that word up in the corner say Defense instead of Attack? You should probably have at least two of them if it does. One to deny areas and another to gun people down (sniper, turret, whatever works).

>>378370605
Wow, you're really gonna say that?

>>378380912
>main Junkrat

I'm glad your team constantly gives you shit. You are only detrimental to the team

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IF YOU BOTHERED TO COUNTER THE FLANK WE WOULDN'T BE SURROUNDED

DELET DELET DELET

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they proper fucked bastion with that "buff"
sentry is STILL just a worse solider
tank went from the best ult in the game to just alright
turret lost a ton of killing power and just generally feels way less satisfying
damage reduction does fucking nothing, oh boy you die in 1.5 seconds now instead of 1.

had a fair amount of fun with old bastion but nubastion feels pretty bland, more viable or not.

>>378380597
>Attack Widow (usually)

She's almost exclusively used on attack at higher/pro tier

>Defensive Genji

He's pretty frequently used by pro teams that usually pick him as standard

>Offensive Assault Ana

Ana excelles on attack though

>>378380956
I main Ana when I do support - not saying she's a bad healer at all, but when people try to go battle medic instead of healing it's always fail

>>378380934
I talked to hiroshimoot, he will do it right after you end yourself.

>>378381186
>not saying she's a bad healer at all

Are you having a giggle? She is the best healer by a country mile.

>>378381171
I main Sombra on attack so I always wreck Genji during defense, it's just my experience playing against him. He's worthless once you take away his bullet ricochet thing

>>378380975
>D.Va is an automatic out of Bronze
Sadly 75% D.Va mains play her because "GEE GAYMUR GIRL WAIFU ECKS DEE", and usually have the reaction time of a sloth.

>>378381315
I don't know what you mean, did you misunderstand the point I was making?

can you play this game without having to obey any sort of meta bullshit? can i just play who i want without babies crying about it? or is it like a moba?

>>378377534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG3L7kvQFWU

>>378381489
You sound like a fag so you probably shouldn't play the game

>>378381489
It depends how you do, you'll get a lot of people who want the same characters but if you learn how to play your role you'll be OK

If you are absolutely shit it will show and you'll hear about it, not so much for which character you are, but being a failure at that character

>>378381489
Overwatch is a shallow, casual game with pretend depth and as such it attracts the worst "competitive" cretins you can imagine. Moba fags, redditors, people who failed to break into fighting games, people who failed to break into more intense shooters, etc. So yes they bitch a lot and they'll bitch at you rather than ever take responsibility for anything. In the mind of an OW player, it's always some teammate's fault, never their fault.

>>378370449
Bastion is great. Most people don't understand that you have to stay mobile with him.

>>378381489
It is still a team game. So if your team needs a tank/healer/Hitscan and you pick Hanzo/Genji because you're a leet ninja, you should just kys now.

>>378381746
Pretty much

>>378381489
I rarely follow the "meta", just playing whatever I want. Keep on mind this is a team based game, so it would be extremely rare for a single person to "carry" games on their own.
Funny how it's better to break the meta on higher tiers than on lower tiers.

>>378381881
*unshealthes katana*

Pshhh...I follow my own path...kid....

>>378381489
It's essentially the moba crowd playing it, you can expect getting steamrolled by multiple pre-made smurf teams to be a common occurrence in unranked pubs, so usually it won't matter who you play anyway.

>Main Hanzo
>Everyone hates me all the time
>I am always the one that is blamed if we lose
>Memes making fun of Hanzo mains
>The single most hated class in the entire game

Hanzo had a hard life.

>>378376742
The only real use I've found for Reaper is helping to break shields, but maybe that's not a normal situation to be using him in. I almost never play Comp and rarely stray from Quickplay

>>378370449
Torb is good because his turret is a good distraction, his gun is pretty great, and his ult can save games

Symmetra is just borderline op now that she's buffed.

Bastion is either complete trash or good depending on the player, but most of the time people are too familiar with the game by now and are able to counter or avoid him entirely.

I've seen many good junkrats

Widowmaker is just garbage now

>>378382053
Your suffering is deserved

>>378382053

a shame too because he's extremely fun to play, but it's so taboo. Bow and arrows are just always fun to use in games that focus around guns and other more modern weapons.

>>378374156
Cloud9 uses Hanzo quite a bit

>>378382178
>I've seen many good Junkrats

Best bait in your post

>>378382053
It usually attract husbando shitters, just like mercy and dva attract waifu shitters. They don't know how to play or aim. I fucking love new hanzo changes doe.

>>378382178
>Symmetra is just borderline op now that she's buffed.

She's incredibly easy to counter and literally unplayable on any game mode other than CP or the first defense stage of payload.

>>378382246
He is hated for a reason. Very rarely do you meet a Hanzo that does more than spam corners/entrances.

To say nothing of how bullshit scatterarrow currently is, and in need of a dire nerf.

>>378381771
It's funny playing in casuals with smurfs who auto pick hanzo/genji/mccree and spam kys in chat when they don't get the team composition they want

>>378382286
EnvyUs does not C9

>>378382347
I played against a Junkrat yesterday that was fucking horrifying, shit canned my entire team. We could not stop him.

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>>378370449
Most defense heroes are strictly DPS with area denial abilities.

>>378382053
When someone on my team picks hanzo/genji i basically consider it a 4v5 as 95% of the people who play the same absolutely cannot play either of them competently.

>>378382178
Symm isn't OP

she is just literally an anti-fun design

also her beam staying connected for 4 ticks after you are out of range is dumb af

>>378378281
That's where team composition comes in. You aren't playing alone in a vacuum, you have your teammates. In an ideal situation you have your buddy countering whoever's countering you so they stay off your back, letting you do your job.

It's not about you and the other guy constantly switching, but more about making sure the six of you cover each other's weaknesses and fill important roles. Do you know how building a Pokemon team works? Think of it like that.

>>378382286
>>378382506
Neither ever uses Hanzo for anything other than payload spawn echo arrow. Actually he's pretty much never used on pro games.

>>378382671
I don't know man, she eats way too much fire, she could almost tank, it's kind of ridiculous.

>>378382671
>Why do you struggle?

>>378380061
Stay out of comp if you aren't going to play seriously.

Torb is fun when he isn't instantly cockblocked, ever since sym stopped being garbage he probably wins "weakest character". Maybe [dies in Spanish] but at least she has stealh shit for her and can help heal.

>>378380696
If you somehow make it work, you make it work. Good on you, I guess.

Assuming you're telling the truth, I mean.

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What character do I play if I can't aim for shit?
I just hit level 50 but I've yet to settle into any kind of niche, still playing mostly whatever the group needs. This is pretty much the best I've ever done and I'm sick of getting bodied by seemingly impenetrable enemy teams.

>>378382671
>she is just literally an anti-fun design
no you're thinking about mei
having an M1 that's centered around slowing not only your move speed but your ability to aim is quite possibly the most cancerous ability to ever exist in a video game

>>378382557
That's because you are in bronze

>>378383103
No, this guy was just exceptional, usually J-rat is no problem, this player had transcended their pick.

>>378383050
You could always try to practice, or play..
Winston
Reinhardt
Mercy
Symmetra
Probably Junkrat and Roadhog?

>>378376742
as long as pharah is as strong as she is now reaper wont have a slot on a team

>>378380912
It's pointless to revive one person dipshit

>>378370449
I just realized that I would like the game more without any of the defense heroes.

>>378381489
Quickplay? Yes. Just do whatever you want. Anyone who screeches about a meta will just get shat on.

Competitive? It really depends on the rank you're in, I guess. But it's much easier to piss your team off here.

If you just want to have fun and not put up with anyone's shit Quickplay is the best option.

>>378382803
I do not understand where you're coming from. Her shield is a joke, her ults are very easily disabled by tracer or genji on any map other than 2nd cp anubis, and her weapon is entirely predicated on the chance event that the enemy can't aim, I think every character has a higher dps than her if you hit your shots.

Her only use is to negate certain routes, and even then that is hard countered by Winston since a single dive can fuck up the whole turret set and kill the symmetra if she doesn't have shields.

Her other use is to give teleporter on 1st cp or shields on 2nd cp but you're almost always better off just filling in her spot with something better.

>>378371742
Only in a 1v1 scenario in a vacuum, this situation should pretty much never happen once you get out of gold

Mei is possibly the strongest character in a 1v1 duel but gets absolutely shat on by any drop of coordination and teamwork because she has no way to deal with multiple enemies except trying to wall them off, and even that will only work in a tight corridor

>>378370449
Total Mayhem, though mostly Mei and Junkrat

>>378382557
Flank/Use Pharah. Alternatively communicate with your team to dive in together and kill junkrat first, or mercy if they got any, then pray for your norse deity of choice

>>378383050
Literally all the characters in the game that aim by themselves.

>Symmetra and Winston have auto aim in their primary fire
>Torb's turret is hitscan auto-aim
>S76, McCree and Reaper have auto-aim in their ultimates

Additionally:

>Mei's primary fire is a large cone in front of her
>so is Genji's secondary fire and ultimate
>Hanzo can fire an auto-aim arrow every 12 seconds and his ultimate is an AoE the size of his screen
>Hog's ultimate is a giant cone in front of him

I'm probably forgetting some too. Overwatch is very brain-dead friendly.

>>378370449
Mei may be quite good, but it really needs a good player with good communication.
Junkrat is quite alright for spamming up points and shields, if the player has enough aim to hit moving targets when the need arises.

>>378383313
remove snipers and mei, the game is now better
bastion's still pretty bad but most people don't seem to try to cheese with him since the small nerf

>>378377369
literally all you need to do is be more careful with dashes and he is a walking dragonblade charge facility

>>378383306
That's entirely subjective. Depending on situation reviving a single person could be a game changer, but extremely rare.

>>378383569
This guy was very good at playing in and out of cover, around health packs, and using the mine to move himself all over at random.

>>378383614
Hog's ultimate isn't even that good, it's been a year since the game came out and the hook is still retarded as fuck.

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>>378382053
At least you're not a Genji main.

>>378383515
Assuming both players are very good she loses 1v1's vs all offense heroes except for Reaper.

>>378370724
She was back at the beginning, before nerfs. Honestly they need to revert her rifle to its original use.

You're a fool if you play Blizzard games at competitive level

>>378383881
I agree. They nerfed Widow and then they buffed everything she was good against, and then never gave her anything back.

>>378383881
No they don't. Widow is a liability even if she were viable.
Pharah needs a nerf or rework. She carries way too hard early, and isn't useless in anything above 2000.

>try playing with lower sensitivity
>aim feels really good for 95% of heroes
>but really bad for tracer and genji, can barely do a 180 without having to reposition the mouse
Wat do?

> Finally get an event legendary
> It's the fucking buggy bastion
end my life senpai desu

>>378384070
>Pharah needs a nerf or rework
>Nerfing (one of) the weakest classes in the game
wew laddie
Just go one of her like 4 hard counters that are always in meta

Mei is a fucking nightmare on Hanamura Point B.

>>378384070
I think Pharah should have her changes reverted and given 50 HP as Shield. Pharmercy has never been more powerful than it is right now.

>>378384223
You're clearly not illiterate, yet you made this post.

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>>378373000
>like any charac-
Name one damn time Reinhardt is situational.

>>378384175
Should be able to set each character settings separately

>>378384190
What's wrong with buggy bastion? He looks really good except for that retarded bird.

>>378384362
Nobody plays bastion

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>Got OW on PS4 because I had a Toaster at the time
>Get to level 100 and get a promotion
>EXP per level drops back down to 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 etc
>Get a better PC and pick up OW
>Finally hit 100 again
>Still need 20k EXP for level 101, 102, etc.

What the fuck
Was PC always like this? Or did they change it? It was literally the only good thing about promotions

>>378384342
Every time, until he's fucking patched

>>378384342
If you're Dps are tracer and genji and you are on attack or koth Winston is a better pick than Rein.

>>378384359
Not really, that would fuck with the muscle memory.
I guess I just need a bigger mousepad and get fit to be able to swing my arm across the entire table.

junkrat can overload shields and barriers and create havok. He's incredibly mobile and can flank well too. A good junkrat can melt a team if they arent weary.

mei has amazing area control and can prevent pushes at the right time and be a pain in the ass for offensive flankers

torb has easier area denial, but also easier to deal with. a good torb can shit out headshots consistently and give armor to the team.

hanzo and widow speak for themselves as snipers

bastion speak for himself has a turret

Rein is already situational. Even QP people know to just spam his shield down fast for a free kill.

>>378384428
They changed it after people started matching up their levels to single digits before events to get more boxes for the same exp. PC vs console has nothig to do with it.

>>378384428
To prevent people from grinding event lootboxes easily.
Gotta get dem shekels

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>>378370449
>Playing Junkrat on Route defense
>Enemy ragepharahs
>mfw killing her with mines

>>378384428
They got rid of promotions during the halloween event I think, to stop
>>378384686
>>378384609

>>378384596
>Rein is already situational.
then why is he one of the most picked in the game across all skill levels, to the point that orisa was added to have a "replacement" for him since he's so necessary

>>378370449
Mei can fuck with dive comps.
Torb+Sym are viable on the first points chokes of some maps.
Widow or Hanzo can easly replace an attack hero depending on player skill level.

>>378384815
>junkratting on Illios at the tower point
>End up killing the enemy pharah by air shotting her with a bomb and a mine
>later she gets trapped on the point and eats some bombs
>then later dies to my death bombs

I've never seen a pharah so mad at someone playing junkrat. She had only herself to blame.

>>378370449
Only once in my life I met a Hanzo who consistently had a sonar arrow on a chokepoint, which led to us disrupting the attacking push, which led to us winning.

>>378384931
Because Rein is an 'anchor' tank. They even said this in ther Dev videos. He has been consistent for so long because the other tanks have glaring weaknesses.

>>378385123
>Because Rein is an 'anchor' tank. They even said this in ther Dev videos. He has been consistent for so long because the other tanks have glaring weaknesses.
ok yes, thank you for stating the obvious
now how does that make him "situational", unless you mean for every situation

>>378383614
>Torb's turret is hitscan auto-aim
Torb will be a million times better for someone who CAN aim though. Never underestimate his gun's primary fire, everyone does. And then they die.

>>378385152
When the enemy has a competent Sombra that hacks our Rein

>>378376917
Rein will get lit the fuck up as he charges by any reasonably decent team, or get fucked by an Ana

>>378385242
>competent sombra
let's not start talking about fantasy here

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>>378382593
Bastion is definitely defense though.

The rest are fine.

>>378370449
I'm trying to stay with Ana but Mei is super a fun alt. She is so good with almost every situation except vs multiple enemies by herself. I love sniping with icicles. They're deceptively accurate. It feels like Hanzo a bit in that regard. Plus her utilities. I've spent more time on cite with her than any other character but Ana is by far the most satisfying to do well with.

>>378385217
"People always underestimate the engineers."

>>378385152
Since his buffs Winston does better in a lot of situations. If your shield is getting shredded, you go Dva. If you want to carry, you go Zarya.

Rein doesn't need as much babysitting as the other tanks too, which is a huge relief for healers in the Diva meta.

>>378381137
That sucks, using old Bastion was some of the most fun I had in Overwatch.

>playing casual, attack on Hanamura
>pick Bastion
>two teammates asking me to switch
>round starts, we push out
>set up near the point, friendly Ana heals me as I decimate the enemy on point
>we take the first point, I do the exact same thing on the second point
>team shocked we won that fast

It's genuinely amazing how few people seem to know how to play Bastion though. So many morons sitting a mile away, never getting up once they hit turret mode.

>>378382593
>bastion / Window in offense instead of defense
Hahahahah NO

>Fatty as Tank
Top fucking Kek
Hanzo is borderline too but i can see him being Offense looking at how mobile he is.

>Roadhog offense
The fuck i this trash? I get that he has no shield and it makes sense to a degree but jesus.

>Sombra support while Tracer is offense
What a pile of jackshit and broken idaes.

>>378385896
>>Sombra support while Tracer is offense
yea because all of tracer's abilities are meant to be used offensively
one of sombra's main abilities is literally healing, plus she's an actual "support"

idk i got to 3400 this season on bastion. seems good to me. only thing is that he is hard countered by things like communication.

>>378385896
Roadhog is a purely offensive hero with no ability to protect his team other than just feeding the enemies ult charge.

>love D.Va
>love using boosters to chase and quickly finish off weakened enemies, then go back to the team
>when playing against other D.Vas, pretty much never see them doing it
Am I doing it wrong or am I doing it extremely right?

>>378386357
If you are winning games, you are doing it right.

>>378386513
>get a lot of medals every match
>wonder if I deserve them or it's just that grazing enemies with fusion cannon fire counts as an assist and dying in a mech doesn't count as dying

>>378386769
The medals mean nothing at all. You are getting gold because you're getting hits on everyone, same problem with Junkrats who brag about gold damage but half of it was just into a Reinhardt shield so it was useless.

I wish I was in bronze. The best time I have in overwatch is when my shitter battle.net friends wanna group up for QP so I play against other silvers/bronze and I can just take it easy with Ana or something.

>>378386357
D.va is a mobile tank. Her job is to finish off wounded targets, get enemies to turn and face her instead of your squishy DPS, and use her matrix to eat ultimates and abilities. If you're doing all those things, you're doing it right.

>>378386942
>You are getting gold because you're getting hits on everyone
>implying that doesn't mean anything
If you're actually managing to get hits on everyone, that means you're in all the right places, and doing work.
>but half of it was just into a Reinhardt shield so it was useless.
Destroying a Rein shield is never useless.

Genji is a character for autistic fatty cuckolds. There is no exception to this rule. If you play Genji you're immediately marked as a weirdo fatty autist who needs to be avoided at all costs.

>>378386942
I wouldn't call stripping down Rein's shields useless.
>>378387093
Thanks, anon. That's what I strive to do. Eating a whole ult with the matrix always feels great.

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>>378387241
>muh nuruto
I swear every "genji main" I've seen is either a gross weeaboo pretending he's in an anime or actually 14

>>378387153
>If you're actually managing to get hits on everyone, that means you're in all the right places, and doing work.
and just feeding ult charge to healers since you're not following up on any damage and just spamming at random

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got more of these?

>>378377907
maybe I should stop maining bastion

>>378377907
>Winston above S76, Ana, and Reinhardt
Seems bullshit

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>>378387684
The only other one I've got.

>>378378221
It's the only thing even keeping Pharah relevant.

>>378388235
the pro "meta" is currently dive comp, the only Tanks able to do this are Winston and D.Va

>>378387684
D.va is more like a flying CV33 lel

>>378388359
We're back to dive? It really is launch all over again.
It was a mistake to make QP 1 class limit.

>>378370449
A defensive character is mandatory in any game that has them because they entire level is catered towards at least one of them being viable. So... every time?

>>378388557
>A defensive character is mandatory in any game that has them because they entire level is catered towards at least one of them being viable.
There's a difference between "viable" and "good".

Mei's the only defense hero who's consistently good at defense.

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>>378388508
>>378388359
On the chance of being ridiculed, what's dive?

>>378388557

The problem is half the defense characters are really just DPS, and the ones that do bring utility don't bring enough.

>>378384467
Even in that situation, Rein is still better because he actually does damage, he can protect supports, and his ult actually does something beside give the entire enemy team full meters.

>>378388743

Charging in as fast as possible hoping to catch them off guard. So genji flanks, Winston literally dives on point, and Lucio speed boosts everyone in.

>>378388743
"diving in" with the team, going fast. Winston and Dva are the only tanks with mobility options

>>378388747
The problem is that defense and offense characters are both DPS with pretty vague and arbitrary distinctions between them.

There are always amazing players who can do well with any character. However they're usually specialized in only playing that class. There are some amazing Widowmakers, even some amazing Torbjorns. However they're usually in the top 500/Grand Masters, which most of us are not.

>>378388743
Characters like Genji, Winston, Mercy, Pharah. Mobile characters meant to get in the middle of the enemy formations and fuck shit up.

>>378381315
He's talking about the bad Ana's that go out of their way to try to be offensive instead of healing nonstop like any other healer would unless they're isolated and need to defend themselves

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why do these games never actually understand what the classes are good for?

>>378370449
Mei is used to hold the first point on Hanamura. Her wall blocks the gate when the enemy pushes, splitting them in half.

That's the only time I ever see her used by the pros in tournaments.

>>378375202
>Junkrat is a fucking joke. Pharah basically completely outclasses him in everyway, and while his abilities are actually pretty decent, his ult is easily the worst in the game
Winston and Roadhog have way worse ults, imo.

>>378389127
Makes sense. I pretty much only shoot at the enemy if I see someone low escaping or if I just end up hitting them when trying to heal my team.

>>378389157
Pyro is great at defense, honestly. His ability to ambush around corners but frequent need for healing makes home base his ideal playground.

And to be fair, Demo is fantastic at defense. It's just few are patient enough to use stickies as they were intended.

>>378375340
>silver/gold ana's
My biggest nemesis. I can't tell if they can't hit allies or purposefully choose not to

>>378389604
>His ability to ambush around corners
I was a pyro main for a while and I still play him a fair amount, but I never understood why there was the "ambush" thing since he can't really do it at all. Sure he can run behind people and shoot but demo/heavy/soldier is better for that.
One can only hope the pyro update manages to make him not shit

>>378389157
why do people never actually understand that offense doesn't mean DPS, defence doesn't mean Turret and support doesn't mean Healer.

>>378377859
It really is just marketing and brand recognition, mostly.
Blizzard aimed straight for the casual market and hit it perfectly, and most casuals don't know or care that there are better options available for free.

>>378389939
>offense doesn't mean DPS
it does though

>defence doesn't mean Turret
true

>support doesn't mean Healer
also true, but ow seems to be the only one with that misconception

There is nothing worse than instant pick junkrats who main the entire fucking match only to get completely rekt by Pharah and cry "I HAVE GOLD DAMAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Junkrat is a niche pick, good on first points like Hanumorah or Dorado... After that he gets outclassed by everyone. Not to mention he feeds zarya and support ults. Oh and lets not forget that Pharah is pretty much 80% pickrate atm who completely shuts junkrat down.

>>378389157
Because they can't know what the meta is until the players create it.

>>378389558
fucking this, I hate Roadhog's ult

>>378390191
then why not change the classes after the fact?
I could maybe understand not changing them for TF2 since they had an even 3/3/3 split and they were never going to add a new character, but adding new characters is kind of overwatch's main (actual) content vector

>>378390125
Because Pharah is Junkrat with more range, accuracy, and mobility.

>>378390225
>fucking this, I hate Roadhog's ult
It would be infinitely better if it didn't have knock back.

>>378390304
It having knock back is its main utility. What the fuck are you using it for?

How do we fix Junkrat? Would any of these ideas work?
>passively buff his damage against (non-zarya) barriers so he can be a barrier wrecker like Bastion
>allow him to deploy up to two bear traps at once
>increase projectile speed and/or reduce drop-off for his grenade launcher so he can land direct hits more easily

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>>378378094
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>>378372208

Here's your (You). Job well done.

>>378390487
More projectile speed please

>>378389820
What are you talking about? Coming around a corner when someone isn't expecting you is the ideal Pyro scenario. If someone knows you're coming, a Pyro is dead meat, minus maybe a really talented projectile reflector. His middling health, short effective range and DPS which can actually be outdone by certain other classes means those few extra seconds of someone being taken by surprise are pretty critical.

>>378390292
>more range
In a straight line of sight
>more mobility
Debatable, definitely less horizontal speed.

>>378386039
>>378382593
I agree with this - Sombra is my main offense and she plays more like support, I main Mei in defense and usually have gold objective time

>>378390441
>It having knock back is its main utility. What the fuck are you using it for?
Knockback is mostly useless, though. It's highly situational (like near a cliff) and half the time you just toss the enemy team for a few seconds while they shoot you in the face. Knockback goes against Roadhog's character design (pulling-in characters to hit them at extreme close range). If it didn't have knockback its would be a cone of damage.

>>378390604
>Coming around a corner when someone isn't expecting you is the ideal Pyro scenario.
Yes it is, but it's also the ideal scenario for Heavy and a handful of other classes.

>>378390487

>riptire is harder to destroy
>riptire explodes with less damage + aoe than if you were to blow it up yourself
>I agree with the bear trap
>faster projectile speeds

I personally don't want him to increase his damage, it already hits like a truck, but increasing the speed of his projectiles and making his ult (fuck just redesign it) would help a lot.

>>378390087
Most of defence has a higher DPS than the heroes in offence. Hell, Zarya has a higher DPS conditionally yes, but I need to make a point than the offence heroes.

Offence just means that they can take objectives better than other heroes. It has nothing to do with damage.

>>378390838
>Offence just means that they can take objectives better than other heroes. It has nothing to do with damage.
are you actually retarded
taking objectives means killing people, if you weren't aware

>>378390752
Granted. Don't get me wrong, I think Pyro is underpowered. But he's better at it thanks to having better running speed than heavy.

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>meanwhile in the /vg/ general
can you believe these people

>>378388652
>There's a difference between "viable" and "good".
A character has to be good in order to be viable. Otherwise, they're NOT VIABLE.

>>378391385
this is the reason blizzard will never improve the game in any way, some blizzdrones are just way too deep into their shit to not just shell out hundreds

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>>378391449
viable just means it's possible, good means they're actually good

>>378389558
At least Winston's is a free heal.

>>378377907
>half the characters are useless

Classic blizzard balance. In TF2 every character is great and is perfectly balanced. Every character is used in comp.

>>378391831
6s are for fags
highlander is the only competitive mode approaching what tf2 should be

>>378372812

temporary hold is fucking key

most of the time you're better off playing him like soldier

as turret you better fucking move all the time and keep the other team guessing where you are

otherwise you're worthless piece of shit that dies over and over and over

>Blizzard thinks Reaper, Mccree and Junkrat are all in really good places and dont need any changes

I hate this company so much.

>>378376742
I've heard the idea of stolen souls preventing that hero from being rezzed but that sounds like more of a Mercy nerf than a Reaper buff to me.

>>378370892
>good damage
>takes skill to successfully land accurate or airshots
>surprisingly good counter to Genji
The only people that think Junkrat is bad simply don't know how to play him properly, and assume everybody's the same.

>>378376018
>What kind of nerf does he need blizzard?
>20 damage per bullet to 19 per bullet

Not much you can do to a Jack of All Trades without making him completely worthless.
The fact that a game like this doesn't need a Jack of All Trades is a different matter.

>>378392616
>surprisingly good counter to Genji

Lol you are retarded.

>>378372208
>I want to play multiplayer games where people behave in pre-determined patterns as if they were glorified NPC's

Why should I waste my time listening to orders coming from a manchild, when I'm just trying to relax with a casual shooter?

>>378392616
>t.wood player

Mei is one of the best characters in the game if the team has actual good communication and at least decent actual teamwork/'chemistry'.

Bastion ranges from OK to ABSOLUTELY OP, but again needs good communication/chemistry.

Junkrat is the true 'DPS', but sadly that's basically all he can manage. As others have said, he is one of the most hard-countered character in the game due to his absolute hard range limit and total lack of sustain. He is still very capable of being played to great effect on certain points.

Hanzo and Widowmaker shouldn't be in the game, IMO. They can be effective, Widow more than Hanzo, but then they're not even fun to play against.

Torb is a leftover from Team Fortress that they never really knew what to do with, and so have done nothing with. He's the most totally useless character in the game, completely dependent on the enemies being idiots.

>>378370449
In my experience defensive heroes make better offensive heroes and offensive make better defensive.

>>378392819
>>378392930
Use steel trap smartly and don't toss your mine directly at Genji's face.
They can't do much against a competent Junkrat (which I can safely guess you aren't)

>>378387153

and feeding support ults

>>378382053
The stigma is warranted. 90% of Hanzo mains are dead weight.

>>378383804
no, she shits on pretty much any other character without self-heal.

>>378392819
>defense on temple of anubis
>go to right side and place a trap in front of the health pack
>place my mine on the health pack
>genji falls for my trap

>>378395405
>set up traps at the top of sets of stairs
>set up traps around corners
>set up traps in dark spots
They're so easy to hide in flanking routes, you can make their lives hell with some creativity. That's why you always hear the steel trap going off no matter where you are.

The new levels are a mixed bag. But disallowing heroes who already won really fixed 3v3. Now we can finally get a break from constant roadhog and mercy.

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>>378396371
Yeah it actually has good variety and is decently fun now. I had a match today where both Mercys got 2 rezzes each, longest match ever.

>>378376742
I recently started trying out reaper.
I think hes pretty great when you get the hang of him

>>378396736
He has potential but he really only works if the other team has no situational awareness so you can get the drop on them. If they're paying any kind of attention he's not likely going to do much.