How did we go from this

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To this?

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Is it time to talk about the greatest rpg of all time?

>>378362281
>that text font
fucking dropped

>>378362464
yes please

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>>378362464
Of course

>>378362464
I never bothered to try it due to hating the backtracking and samey environments in Gothic 1 (which made it a 7/10). Is it as bad in this sense?

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>>378362613

paladins, mercenaries or fire mages?

>>378362754
no, gothic 2 is a lot better than gothic 1 and has variety of different environments

So, is Gothic 3, or any of the Risens actually good?

>>378362925
Oh, and what do you think of Elex?

>>378362925
Gothic 3 is garbage

Risen 1 is decent, but not even close to Gothic 1 and 2

Risen 2 and 3 are complete shit

>>378362925

>anyyrhing past g1
no

but, risen was decent

>>378363023
From the gameplay videos it looks just like Risen 2 in future, so it's garbage, not even worth bothering

Piranha Bytes died after Gothic 2, they will never release a game that even comes close to Gothic 2

>>378363106
>anyyrhing past g1
>past g1
>no

Wow, you're some next level contrarian

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>>378362525
fag

>>378363106

I've never played anything but gothic gold edition on steam, is g1 really better?

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>>378363347

you want to talk about the dogshit combat system g2 "offered"? This alone pic related

>>378363548
the only thing g1 does better is the main story, everything else is inferior, only le contrarian faggots think 1>2
>>378363553
combat in g2 is amazing

>>378363553
but gothic 1 has the same combat but worse, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>378362796
i always loved onehanders so mercenaries or paladins

ultimatively i like the bow playstyle and night of the raven gives cool dex weapons so mercenaries

>>378362821
it entirely depends on which one you played first afaik i have friends who love g1 to death
>>378363023
doesnt look to promising but lets see

>>378363553
git gud
>>378363686
this guy gets it

>>378363704
G1 can actually be fulyplayed with a gamepad. G2 has a very aggressive aim assist/Target lock that makes is borderline impossible to switch between targets. And I think they got rid of the input combos one needs to do to interact with the world (Chests/Mining).

>>378363949
>G1 can actually be fulyplayed with a gamepad.
Who the fuck would want to play Gothic with a gamepad?

>And I think they got rid of the input combos one needs to do to interact with the world

What are you even talking about?

>>378364045

Play g1 wigth a gamepad your first time around, Its comfy.

>>378364045
>What are you even talking about?
I think he means "Forward+E", etc.

>>378362821
>no, gothic 2 is a lot better than gothic 1 and has variety of different environments
guess I'll put it at the top of my backlog then
after Arx Fatalis

FOR GOMEZ

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Which one is the greatest rpg of all time?

>>378364708
Gothic wins all except world size and mods

>>378362281
>>378362337

It happen when game worlds became 10 times larger, with 10 times more quests to do. Map of the size of Witcher 3 one without any markers would be so complicated to navigate and world so hard to searching through that gameplay would quickly become tedious enough that only autistic kids with a lot of free time would play it. If you really want to play like this then turn HUD off in options and install mod for hiding map markers, then enjoy your boring experience.

jesus christ will gothicfags ever get over getting btfo by witcher

>>378362796
mercenaries because they're your friends and you don't need mana to deal damage

being an OP motherfucker like a fire mage can be fun though

>>378362464
>>378362796
WAIT
A
FUCKING
SECOND

Since when do Seekers carry weapons?

>>378364910
How we can get btfo when there is fifteen years separating both those games? Not to say that Witcher games were influenced by Gothic due to being a classic in Poland.

The dev of TW3 himself said that they dumbed down the game in order to sell more of it

There's your answer OP

I don't know why you even call Witcher 3 a cRPG, and getting so riled up about it.

>>378365073
One of them also said Gothic II is his most favourite game ever.

>>378362281
I have not played the Witcher games
bye

>>378365054
The pic was made with cheated in Seeker robe.

>>378362281
I've never played either of the Gothic games. Should I, unironically and memes aside? I seem to see it mentioned around here somewhat frequently in comparisons to Morrowind, which is one of my all-time favorite games.

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>>378365505
skip 1, unless you don't mind tons of fetch quests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVYrALStucs

>>378362337
>>378362281

What if there was some way to turn off minimaps, quest markers, map markers, etc? What would life be like?

>>378365373
why would you do that
you Russkie fuck

>>378365625
Is there more video like this one, BUT made by someone who is not an annoying idiot?

>>378365148

source?

>>378362281
>>378362337
You are fucking retarded, not only the witcher 3 is a gazillion times bigger but you can disable the game interface and tips and still can do the quests because the people who gave you the quest tells you exactly what you have to do TALKING.

>>378365674
the game isn't really designed to be played that way
at the very least you'd need the batman vision

>>378365735

this.

the video SHOULD be good, but it's just shit

>>378365148
One of them said Hobbit was a good film.

>>378365735
stop being a faggot

>>378365625
I don't necessarily mind fetch quests. Depends on how immersed I feel in the world, how entertained I am by the plot of the quest, how engaging I'm finding the gameplay... I mean there's more than one way that a fetch quest can become fun, even if it's a lazy way for the makers of the game to make quests. Skyrim's thousands of near-identical Draugr dungeons got really old but if there's enough flavor and differentiation, I can deal with it.

>>378365774
fuck if i know, i think it was in a Polish interview and a couple of them mentioned their favourite games
Doom, Gothic and one of the Ultima games definitely came up
there was a console exclusive action game too but i forgot which

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>>378365803
Sure Marcin

>>378365884
you lie

>>378365674
Terrible, since most games that use them design their quests around them. If those games give you the option to turn them off, it makes things worse. All the dialog, quest text, and other things just say "Go to x" and assume you're playing with quest markers on. Without proper directions like "Head north of town; when you reach the river, follow it east," you end up having no idea where "x" is.

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>>378364708
Gothic. TES games past Daggerfall are shit.

>>378365803
>the people who gave you the quest tells you exactly what you have to do TALKING.
>tells you exactly what you have to do TALKING.
>what you have to do TALKING.
>have to do TALKING.

>>378365725
Because after you do everything in this game you start to fuck around. Also, Gothic's engine was pretty good base for machinima, and cheatng in armours was pretty normal thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmBEO-Z324

>>378366008
Nope. 1:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c248MLtAfgU&feature=youtu.be

>>378366232

so good

>>378366363
liar

>>378365625
>guy talks about the smith apprenticeship quest
>shows only two ways of solving it
Fucking casuals.

>>378365989
fucking lolz

>>378366023
In an ideal world TW3's monster hunting segments would've been multi-stage multiple choice test where you cross-examine the attack site with bestiary entries.

>Let's see, claw marks and broken bones
>1) an Ornithosaur 2) Necrophages 3) a Wraith
>The work of a Wraith, no doubt about it. No where do Wraiths live?
>1) forests 2) caves 3) abandoned ruins
>Wraiths live in caves, every witcher knows that. Let's ask some peasant fuck about nearby caves.
>Here's the cave, let's prepare a lure. What do wraiths like?
1) Cheese 2) Rotten meat 3) Shiny objects
>Geraldo spends the whole night in a damp cave with some smelly blue cheese next to him before he realizes he fucked up and goes back to square 1

>muh archaic outdated garbage
>IT'S BETTER BECAUSE IT'D OLD I SWEAR!!!

We have better games now grandpas, it's time to move on.

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>>378362281
>>378362337
Why not compare it to the premier action-adventure series, 'Souls?

The combat, enemies, environments, graphics, soundtrack, etc, and even narrative (minimalism is preferable to bad genre-fiction, just compare those lines to canon fantasy) are on another level. It's absolutely no contest: the Souls' series also makes no pretensions to the role-playing that CRPGs have never delivered on. They actually have the budget for art professionals in each specialism, instead of forcing staff multi-task (although degenerates would rather return to the days when programmers were also visual artists and soundtrack composers, kek).

>>378368705
>19 year olds
>grandpas

>>378368854
These games are great, but they aren't cRPGs.

I really loved Fable TLC
Will I like this?
I am poor, where can i youknowwhat it?

>>378369000
CRPG is a fucking buzzword. No vidya features role-playing, as you would need an all-powerful AI to provide the role of game-master.

What you call CRPG are just games where the stats are visible or even changeable for the player (all games use stats for calculations), and there is an open-world or a few different storylines to choose from. Those details are pretty fucking irrelevant compared to the ACTUAL genres of those games, in this case Action Adventure titles.

The ones that make a pretence to being RPGs are for little girls who like barbie-doll customisation or fantasy stories. Adults appreciate actual brutal combat in their action games, and at least some semblance of depth (challenge/difficulty). Fuck the genre-fiction escapism simulators.

>>378369426
fable is a casual piss easy baby shit game, gothic 2 is insanely difficult and will rape you on every step

>>378369554
You are literally the worst kind of person

>>378369000
What the fuck even is a CRPG? I see this used around here kind of a lot and I've never asked, so I might as well ask the tripslord.

>>378369587
you sound like a triggered feminist

>>378369517
>Adults appreciate actual brutal combat in their action games
Okay

>>378369639
Tell me who or what made you angry today anon?

>>378369610
CRPG mean computer role playing game

it was used back in the day when computer RPG games weren't as popular but tabletop games were, so they called it cRPG to know that you're talking about computer games not tabletop games

Now people just call it RPG because no one talks about tabletop games so everybody knows that when you say RPG you mean a computer game

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>>378364708
Morrowind wins in almost every aspect except for combat and NPC behaviour

>no railroading you into certain play styles based on choices you made early in the game
>better magic system
>more interesting environment
>larger map
>actual classes
>easy to mod
>more questlines
>more interesting lore and plot
>fewer irritating/game breaking bugs

I enjoyed Gothic 2, but I don't see how people can honestly think it's better than Morrowind

>>378369517
dark souls was a shit game dude, stop trying to justify it.

>>378369610
All so-called RPGs in vidya are CRPGs, CRPG = computer role-playing game.

This is to distinguish them from the original table-top or LARPing RPGS, which actually feature role-playing (unlike the computer versions, which only incorporate the usage of stats and non-linear stories).

>>378369826
because morrowind is a lazy copy+paste turd

it has freedom, but because the devs didn't fucking do anything and didnt care, just copy+pasted shit in the world. Gothic has less freedom but everything in the game is polished and detailed to the maximum and thus is an overall better experience as a video game

>>378369817
Ah. I'm old for 4chan so I'm surprised I wasn't familiar with that one. What do people mean by it now then?

>>378362337
You're ignoring the fact that in that little circle in Witcher 3 there's more detail than the entire map of an old game. The player still has to search whithin the area and they're generally not that small.

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>>378370310
filename

>>378365625
>the way he uses words
>social quests and killing monsters opposition
>social quests
I guess he meant social is boring. That's why I don't have any friend thatfeel.jpg

>>378368854
Fuck this looks incredible. I uninstalled Gothic 2 and deleted my 12 hour spell-sword save, after seeing 1 minute of that gameplay.

Thanks anon.

>>378368854
>>378370848
samefag

>>378370028
>morrowind is a lazy copy+paste turd

If you're referring to the NPC dialogue, then you have to realize that there are literally thousands of NPCs in Morrowind. Sure, the vast majority don't have anything unique to say, but their dialogue does change depending on region/faction/class. The devs wanted the player to be able to get a sense of where different factions stood on certain issues just by talking to people from these factions.

Other than that, I don't see what you mean when you say that Morrowind was just a copy/paste job. I've played the game on and off for 10 years, and I still discover new things every time I play.

>>378362281
>>378362337
if people wanted to read they'd go read a book, fucking nerd

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>>378371101
Vivec is LITERALLY copy+pasted 6 cubes, with identical interiors.

Smaller towns also feel copy+pasted, all buildings are identical

And what really throws me off is that there is no items to find in the overworld besides plants

>>378362337
Yeah I'm not following? Are you upset over the markers everywhere? Why? Is it not hardcore enough for you?

>I'm so mad the game told me where to go, I'm a pro gamer I know what I'm doing!
It's like you're terrible at everything and the only way you can achieve some rewarding feeling is to solve some random video game quest. It's kinda sad.

>>378372132
please be bait

I've never played Gothic 2. Should I play the first or is it okay to just go to the second game?

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>>378371414
>Vivec is LITERALLY copy+pasted 6 cubes, with identical interiors

The interiors aren't identical. The textures and layouts may look similar, but the contents are completely different. For example, look at the Redoran canton. In addition to having a heavily guarded vault containing a shit ton of rare weapons/gold/jewels, it has a temple and a library of religious texts (since the redoran love the temple).

If you go down into the underworks, you find the remnants of a Sixth House cult sacrifice, along with a daedric dagger. You can even find a Sixth House monster hiding out in the ancestral tombs. And that's just one example.

>Smaller towns also feel copy+pasted, all buildings are identical

If you go inside the houses, you can often find random NPCs, who have no associated quests, will have special items that tell you a little more about them. For example, there's this one dude in Caldera, who isn't related to any quest that I know of, but if you look around his house you can find out that he's in debt because he has a drinking problem.

>No items to find in the overworld besides plants

The other day, I was playing, and I went outside near Gnaar Mok, a small town on the eastern edge of the main island. I happened to jump on top of a tree stump, and found a high-level enchanted glass dagger stuck in a skull hidden inside it. I know where most of the item locations in the overworld are, but I'm still finding new ones.

And that's why I love Morrowind

>>378372301

skip 1 unless you don't mind lots of fetch quests, and extremely outdated everything

2 is better than 1, but it's also hard as fuck for a new player. 1 is much easier

Also there's lots of references to the first game and you meet a lot of NPCs in 2 that you met in 1.

The best thing to do is play 1, try to get used to the obscure controls, see whether you like it or not and then play 2. Who knows, you might even get into 1 so much that you will finish it.

and also install DX11 mod when playing 2

>>378372592
>DX11
What is that, some kind of graphical mod?

>>378372878
Graphic overhaul, but it also fixes resolution issues and performance

>>378372878
Probably, but I recommend you don't listen to him, he's probably from reddit.

>>378365824
I played through the entire game without the hud looking at the in-menu map. Git gud shitter.

>>378365505
Gothic is a game where it only starts being fun after a while, when you've become good at it and figured out how the game works. You will get raped by everything in the beginning, and it will take time to learn how the combat works.

That's why you can do countless playthroughs of it and never get bored, because simply being good at it is fun.

>>378373227
>being this butthurt

>>378373359
>git gud
all you did was shoot yourself in the foot to bumble around like a blind bat until you found something with a blurred red outline, probably unsheathing the in-menu map more twice as much as your swords
gitting gud has nothing to do with having enough autism to prevent yourself from getting bored from the tedious repetitive dronework and too much free time to waste bumbling around a videogame

>>378373408
Ah so it's a "git gud" game like Dark Souls? I'm surprised /v/ doesn't shill it harder tbqh.

>>378374664
>Ah so it's a "git gud" game like Dark Souls?

It's like Dark Souls in terms of skill being more important than gear/stats

Just like in Dark Souls you can defeat even the most powerful enemies at lvl 0 with the starting weapon if you're good at the combat, better gear just helps you with it and makes it easier

>>378373408
If I do play, which one should I get? Anon above said he'd skip the first one because of repetitive fetch quests. Do you agree? Also I didn't even know there was a Gothic 3 but apparently there is. And for some reason the first one costs $20 on Steam and the others are just $10.

>>378374896
Get GoG version instead, they're both $10 if I remember correctly, and steam version requires you to install fuckton of patches for it to work, GoG version is ready to play

Play 1 first, you don't even have to finish it just play for a couple of hours and you will have an easier time in 2, and also appreciate the improved controls more.

Also ignore Gothic 3, it's complete shit

>>378362281
>>378362337
>beign a fucking retarded and not beign able to mark a location in your map
the only thing I say
I'd love to see a modern 'rpg' that when you increase the difficulty, you don't have those hud elements that are a constant reminder. Things like smells, footprints and other stuff are very limited and if you forget to use them, the game won't say a thing. Also, not beign able to use a minimap and every time you find a new place you have to mark it on your map manually

>>378362281
gothic thread?

mud did nothing wrong

>>378375451
Some games actually do this.
But it doesn't make them better.
See, a game has to be designed, with an idea, for an audience.
A shit game won't be good because you added a difficulty while keeping the casual side.
Even mods can't save it from being shit, see Skyrim and cie. See also the Survival mode in Fallout 4.