Thought on CRT Televisions & Monitors?

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They look great and I wish I had a decent one.

>>378360713

The window for finding a decent one cheap seems to be over. Hell, resale stores in general are dying left & right, so unless you find a nice one on craigslist you're going to pay shipping out the ass just to buy one online. They're fun to play games on if you can find one cheap.

>>378360606

I'd only use one for fighting games. I tried playing Melee on my current TV and felt like my character wasn't moving right. I don't really notice a difference with any other kind of game.

>>378361110
>with any other kind of game.

You don't play Rhythm/music games? Timing is important in those.

Its a fucking retarded hipster meme

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>>378360606
The only way to play analog games unless you like blurry visuals and control delay. Don't fall for the PVM meme though.

>>378361224

Oh yeah, those too. I bought Rock Band 3 a long time ago and I felt like I could never get the calibration right. I feel like that's why the rhythm genre died out in the west.

>>378360606
CRTs are the definitive experience. Pure performance before the introduction of cheaper and more convenient products. Flatfags will never know.

I don't exactly miss them otherwise, but I have thought about getting one again just because any pre gen 7 games look absolutely horrible on a 65" 4K television.

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>>378361303

>Anything I don't like is a meme
>Anyone doing something I don't like is a hipster

>>378360606
i bought a 14" crt tv for my nostalgia corner (i have working psx and ps2, i'm thinking about fixing my c64). Feels good to see all of those old vidya looking good, LCD displays really rape this subtle beauty of ps2 rendering, not to mention PSX. Plus nostalgia value, and it's nice to just have two flawlessly working game systems ready to play any moment.

>>378361687
IKR FUCK NEW TECHNOLOGY, 80S IS THE BEST EVUERRR

>>378361224
IIDX cabs have been using flat panels for years.

>>378361391
Enjoy your shitty geometry and degraded picture as the tube ages.

>>378361940
>>378362137
Analog video signals have to be converted to digital to be displayed on a flatscreen. Most flatscreens don't even support 240p so it gets upscaled poorly and looks even worse and the time to convert isn't instant introducing a control delay. You can buy $300 upscalers though to ameliorate this, or just get a CRT for free on Craigslist.

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>>378362272

None in my area. The mexicans all cut into them for scrap metal. How they do this without getting shocked to death is a mystery to me.

>>378361391
>Flatfags will never know.
What is FD Trinitron

I love them. Especially PVMs and BVMs.

BUT

I like to keep my apartment and my live minimalist and I already have two screens due to my tv and my monitor. I don't need a third display that I will barely ever use.

The only older consoles I still have is my ps1/2 and I generally play my ps1 games on my vita or my pc, and my ps2 games on my PS4 or my pc so I don't need one.

>>378362426
>How they do this without getting shocked to death is a mystery to me.

they unplug them first

>>378362953
the tube carries a charge long after you unplug it

finna get a framemiester since I cant get one locally around here anymore.

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They cause eye cancer

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>>378363113

>He doesn't know what happens when you cut into a CRT, even if it's unplugged

I wonder how 4chan functions in the real world, I really, really do.

I just took four of them to be recycled. Perfectly working ones too. Don't give a single fuck.

>>378360606
>Fuzzy picture quality
>Low DPI
>More likely to explode
>Weighs 50 lbs
>No widescreens
Unless you have to have a Zapper there's literally no reason to own a CRT in this day and age.

>>378363113
not terribly long after, they have a self drain circuit built in that will discharge it completely about 24 hours after.

>>378363415

That's wrong though. also what kind of manlet can't lift 50 pounds? It's not like you're going to be doing that every day either, it's a piece of furniture like a fridge. Do you not own a fridge either because it weights too much?

>>378360606
I keep one for my pre fifth gen stuff and melee.

Mine is a pretty simple one but I do think they look nicer for analog games. If you don't have any older consoles though then a flatscreen is much better.

>>378360606
RGB video quality on a PVM is just beautiful.You have to see it yourself to believe it, it's very difficult to capture it properly with a camera. Emulation on lcd screens doesn't come close in delivering that experience. I can understand people choosing to use a Framemeister or emulating over a cheap crt with composite video, though.

>>378363415
>Fuzzy picture quality
As opposed to blurry as fuck picture on digital flat panels?
>Low DPI
Okay I'll give you this one.
>More likely to explode
Only if you autistically throw your football at the TV when your team loses.
>Weighs 50 lbs
Do you even lift? Also how often do you move your TV?
>No widescreens
>Actually liking widescreen cancer.

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>>378360606
I really love CRTs but mine went to shit and every story I've seen don't sell them anymore

I guess nothing lasts forever

>>378362768
This. I do want to move my old 40" Trinitron into my bedroom for some Wii emulation, though.

>>378363675

I agree with most of this post but
> I can understand people choosing to use a Framemeister
Gross.

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Why has no one taken advantage of the market for retro CRT's and starting manufacturing them again?

Or have they?

>>378363775
>40" Trinny
Jesus wept, that must be 350 pounds.

>>378363830
This had to be something Sony has considered.

>>378363830
The only place where they sell CRTs anymore are shit third world countries. Plus who wants a CRT nowadays? It doesn't justify the cost for a few people who want their perfect no lag free gameplay

>>378363830
Because they threw out all the CRT tooling a decade ago. It'd be too much money to develop everything from the ground up again.

>>378363913
Yeah, she's a load.

>>378363830

There isn't enough demand for CRTs, which demand economies of scale to be profitable.

>>378363981
>he's fine with objectively inferior quality

>>378363794
The Framemeister is pretty much your best option for original consoles. The OSSC has its place too. I've seen some shitty video quality on beat up crts too, and I'd rather have crisp upscaled rgb on a flat-screen than that, even with the added lag.

Finally got everything needed to get my genesis hooked up to my 19" PVM after waiting months for it.
Unfortunately the only game I own is sonic 2.

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>>378363415
>No widescreens

Anyone have that pic of the CRT playing Links Awakening on Super Gameboy for Famicom?

It was the most beautiful old school TV I've ever seen.

>>378364046
Tell that to normies who want bigger TV screens and higher resolutions

>>378360606
That looks like a microwave and probably produces more radiation than one. i would love to have one tho.

>>378364245
Normies also play the latest games that were designed for large TVs

>>378363830
only people interested in crt are nostalgic gamers, which makes such a small fraction of the population.

I think there are more pinball machine fans than crt gamers at the moment.

>>378361537
Why would anyone buy a 65" TV? Kill yourself, normalfag.

>>378364432
It's called compensation

>>378364367
I doubt that. CRT fans are basically the new pinball wizards.

>>378363502
Until you cut into one where the chinks decided to cut corners

>>378360606
if you're playing stuff designed for crt's on them they look nice. Outside of retro gaming they're pretty much giant pieces of garbage compared to monitors now

i just never upgraded honestly, was using the same TVs for years and years. i didn't think anything of it until i realized the PS4/Xbone weren't going to have component cable hookups.

>>378364432
Because normies love spending money on useless shit.

>>378363415
There are actually widescreen CRTs, and also CRTHD TVs and monitors. The thing never caught on on most games at the time.

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>>378364432

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>>378364123
>ywn have an SGI workstation with 27" 1080i CRT monitor to shitpost with

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>all those poverty pvm owners
Who bvm here?

>>378364853
But normies don't have money.

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>tfw 16:9 took over because movie loving normies and video games now render needlessly wide effecting performance

>>378360606
Complete waste of time. Games made for CRTs look objectively better on modern digital displays. If you care about 240p then use a 960p mode with scanlines. Yes it is the same thing, only nostalgia faggot purists (who all have some form of autism) will disagree

>>378364953
why you post shitty saturn version

>>378365221
t. guy who has no idea what he's talking about

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>>378365243
What do mean shitty?

Post more Trinitrons!

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i have a 8 inch and 13 inch pvm, i tried to get a 20 inch but it didn't survive FedEx.

got a full return and got to keep the broken unit but was unable to repair it (it was really fucked)

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>>378365478
there are actually niggas out there who prefer the Playstation/Saturns butchered "enhanced" visuals and music

>>378365096
Literally all they have is money. They're just walking ATMs waiting to be exploited.

How well do light guns work with flat screens? I've heard older ones like the zapper and super scope are terrible with them.

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>>378365651
sorry about your loss anon
that sucks

>>378366028
They're built with them in mind. Light guns don't work properly with LCDs.

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>>378366106
yeah, it was REALLY fucked.

>>378366028
They don't work at all.
Unless you mean a flat-screen CRT, in which case they're fine, especially the older ones.

>>378360606
take it to VR

no one can afford one of those fucking things and they were NEVER meant to play fucking video games, you faggot.

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>>378366201
to add to this

>>378363830
just emulate games, compare a snes game on a pvm with scart with an emulator using the nearest neighbor setting and they look almost the same

>>378365690
Saturn version still has the nudes and some fun Sega memes. Psx has even more censored violence. The Sega CD version doesn't have nudes. PC-98, msx etc I could only emulate. PC Engine version is the only other one I'd be realistically able to buy and use on the PVM. Saturn also has a solid port of Policenauts and Snatcher goes well with it in the collection.

>>378366302
>no one can afford one of those fucking things
They must be pretty fucking poor then, I got mine for $20 at a thrift store.

>>378366378
I think he meant PVMs, anon.

>>378366378
no anon, i meant fucking OPs pic

EVERYONE who is a fucking enthusiast knows what they are worth.

>>378366378
your trinitron is a piece of shit compared to pvms

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>>378366367
your argument sounds reasonable. I respect your decision. PC-Engine is good too.

>Still have an older ~16" Trinitron for my desk area.
>Found a 32" newer model Trinitron in the alley a few years ago that has component input.

I still use my pre-HD consoles on those most of the time.

>>378360606
I still have the 32" Trinitron I grew up with

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I have a 40 inch tube tv in the garage, but it would take three people to get it in the basement where nostalgia would be the best for the games I want to play on it anyway
I can't even get a dolly to bring it down the narrow stairs because it's so fucking wide

>>378363830
Theres a japanese company trying to make PVM quality CRT's for the consumer market, specifically gamers, at the moment. Of course the problem is they're expensive as shit which kind of defeats the purpose

>>378366960
that sounds like one of those rear projection tube tvs, the bulb tends to go out every time you move them and they are stupid expensive to replace that bulb.

most traditional crts are 32 inch or smaller.

>>378367142
Are those any good? All the ones I've had were really dim and had terrible viewing angles.

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>>378367142
Later CRTs were much larger

>>378367142
well shit, I haven't turned it on in a while so that would have sucked if it didn't work at all lmao

>>378360606
They're obsolete

>>378367292
didn't say they exist, just pretty hard to find them that big before they did those rear projection kinds which allowed for huge sizes.

>>378367269
not really

>>378367292
>mitsubishi
They made TVs?

>>378366671
Not really.
Even RGB inputs weren't very popular outside of Europe when these games were being made, so there's an argument to be made that PVMs are untrue to the dev's intent.
>>378366984
But if you buy a brand new PVM and take care of it, it's basically guaranteed to last until you're dead.
So reliability/longevity is the real purpose there.

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>>378366984
Or just reuse old ones.
Don't forget adjusting brightness/contrast and grinding/removing the frame so they blend together just fine.

>>378367592
they make atvs too

>>378364367
Off your mark.

>>378360606
I have one right below my normal tv. 28" trinitron. Got it from a coworker for free. I use it for anything that uses RCA. I'm pretty paranoid it's gonna break whenever I turn it on but so far no issues.

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>>378367592
Mitsubishi makes a fuckload of thing, including fighter jets

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I think they're pretty rad. You never quite notice input lag until you go back to one. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

>>378360606
>Console Retro Television Televisions

>>378368393
Cease this sophistry

>Have a nice sized Trinitron
>Its fine, but literally rotting outside in a shed because I dont have room for it in the house.

Probably full of lizard eggs and shit.

>>378368278
C O M F Y
Makes me want to get a USB lightgun, if those even exist.

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>>378368526

>>378360606
RIP eyes

>>378368526
>>378368664
LCD is acceptable if the zoom is an integer factor. Otherwise it comes out a blurry mess.

>>378368278
I guess nowadays you could add console's lag and wireless lag and 30fps rendering limited you at an action frame of 30ms.
>it's okay if everything is rendered 10ms later it doesn't matter
>gets hundreds of milliseconds of delay ingame

>this is fine because technology isn't enough kek

>>378367991
Trinitron series TVs were what put Sony on the map, they're difficult to break and easy to fix

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>>378368808

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>>378360606
Too much space for somethine so useless. Old consoles are useless with emulation, 7 years ago i'd say "yeah play your ps1-ps2-NES-SNES on a crt to make it look good"

But nowadays? just emulate it in 1080p+. You also don't need to be glued to the screen like with those short controllers from back then.

It has a nice feeling to it, nostalgia, but it's not useful. SNES is best emulated in handhelds nowadays, for example I was playing Megaman X on my smarthphone(I have one of those iPega things connected to it which pretty much turns it into a switch before the switch even existed) and it looks better than it ever did due to the quality of screens phones have, also the SNES emulator has an amazing scanline filter that looks perfect on your phone(I tried taking a screenshot and it looks a lot uglier on PC due to it being bigger)

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>>378369107
>just emulate it in 1080p+.
>SNES is best emulated in handhelds
>I was playing Megaman X on my smarthphone
>scanline filter that looks perfect on your phone

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>>378368623
They do but they're basically wii remotes with their own sensor bar. Whether that's good enough is up to you.

>>378368870
I haven't experimented too much with LCDs to know too much about it. Does turning on "game mode", playing a 60fps game and playing with a wired controller make much of a difference?

>>378368393
Cathode Ray Tube Televisions

>>378363756
Try Salvation Army, they still sell them

>>378369107
The amount of cancer in this post is unreal

>>378369308
The SNES sprite resolution is too low for today's standards, it just looks bad in a big tv.
You're just getting triggered because you're from /vr/ and want muh pure gaming experience but the truth is that CRTs are simply not needed anymore.

Smartphones are the best emulation machines nowadays, some even run dolphin.

i need one of those

my 20 something inch CRT from 2004 is fucked

the screen is all crooked but its still better than playing on a LCD

>>378363756
Just keep hitting up thrift stores and pawn shops like the salvation army, you'll get one eventually.

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>>378369749
>Smartphones are the best emulation machines nowadays,

>>378370002
I want to kiss Fishy-chan

>>378370002
Oh so you're just shitposting

>want CRT
>need to be /fit/ to be able to move it

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>>378360606
Nice for playing retro vidya up to PS2/XB/Dreamcast/Gamecube or watching old VHS tapes but absolute shit for everything else.

Unless you are a turbo-aspie, getting one of those editing 14" monitors is a shitty idea. better get a nice 29" Sony Trinitron TV with composite imput.

I can't find a PVM near me. Been checking for a long time. I'm okay to drop 200 on one but not an extra 100 for shipping. Fuuuuuuck that.

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>>378360606
Just dug this puppy out of my basement. Been down there for ~30 years and was in a flood but still works because apparently 80s technology is indestructible.

The picture is a bit off center and slightly tilted though, anybody got any idea how to fix that on a commodore 1702?

Preferably without electrocuting myself.

literally particle accelerators designed to shoot cathode rays in the direction of your eyes
fucking radical shit man

>capcha
>picture of nothing but a street sign
>finally see it wants cars
fuck you

>>378360970
What do I look for if I want a decent one?

>>378371550
>not using legacy captcha
>>378371621
Check for screen burn and telltale signs of defects. Flat tubes produce a better image but tend to have more problems than spherical ones.

>>378371249
i am >>378366201

i was looking for a friend and scored myself and him a 20 inch RGB capable 1943MD each for $155 shipped. his arrived ok but mine... not so much.

took about 3-4 weeks of looking and some serious lowballs on best offers.

>>378361927
If you want your PS2 games to look the best they can on a native console, you should be using a widescreen CRT rather than a standard definition one.

Is a 1080i flatscreen CRT good for oldschool games?

>>378372271
no, they suffer from the same issues older lcd/led tvs do.

>>378360606
Nobody in these discussions seem to discuss how absolutely heavy, and large CRTs are

>>378372426
Damn. Got my dad's old tv when he died.

>>378371457
I have the same model, great machine.
Can't you fix it with the dials on the bottom? If not you might want to pop up in /vr/ in the fixit threads

>>378372536
it's still not a bad tv, just they tend to have input lag and other issues

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>>378372271

No. HD CRTs are kind of the worst of both worlds. They have the low quality of a tube TV combined with the awful 240p upscaling problems of a modern LCD.

>>378372493
See >>378363415 and his (You)s

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>>378372493
I don't think mine will ever leave my room, I don't even remember how my dad and I got it though the door years ago.

reddit: the hardware

>>378360606
The only way to play games older than the 7th gen but RGB and all the other meme formats are for aspies, composite or component are the only two you should even consider. Almost every game was designed for composite video.

>>378371457
to fix the tilt you need to adjust the yoke, it seems close enough to not worry about. as for the other issues, it depends on the monitor itself as pvms usually have secret menus to adjust center and size.

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>>378372583

Nah, there's only horizontal pos and vertical hold, none of the dials will actually move the image up. And I have no idea how it got tilted a few degrees to the left.

As far as I could tell from google, there might be some kind of adjustment pots inside, but opening up a CRT scares me for obvious reasons. If I'm gonna do it, I want to know exactly what I'm doing and what I'm touching first.

It cleaned up really nice though, I'm just waiting on my S-video -> Chroma/Luma RCA adapter cable so I can use the jacks on the back. Still looks pretty fucking good even in composite though.

>Buy Super Metroid on Eshop on Wii U
>Looks like shit, no scaling options.
>Have to play it on the gamepad

>>378363415
>Low DPI
Low PPI, dots per inch is for print heads

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>>378366329
>filter
REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

>>378372493
I have a 34" CRT, it was so heavy it left marks on the floor when I finally got rid of it.

>>378372708
>reddit
>full of normies that happily play retro games on a lcd tv looking like someone smeared vaseline all over it
3/10 learn to use the reddit meme properly.

>>378373020
https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/
https://www.reddit.com/r/crt/

>>378363830
High quality CRT's were thousands of dollars new and that was when they were being mass produced, CRT's manufactured for a niche audience would be ridiculously expensive.

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>>378373160
>three small ass subs are reddit

>>378364046
Gaming monitors have matched CRT's in input lag for a while now, with the bonus of much higher resolutions refresh rates than possible on CRT's. It's only TVcucks that got screwed over.

>>378373940
Can gaming monitors display video at anything other than a single resolution without looking like shit?

>>378373836
>subs
go back

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>>378373836
>3 boards on reddit are reddit
yeah you fucking mongoloid that's how it works

>>378368069
Don't see why they didn't just buy f16s

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You are a big guy

>>378374298
>didn't even post it properly

>>378374462
Who u quoting?

>>378360606
That picture looks so comfy for some reason. It looks beautiful.

>>378363830
Not much demand, and there's still a huge supply of old CRTs available in second-hand stores. It'd be damn near impossible to make any money from manufacturing new CRTs.

>>378368278
I'm very perceptive of input lag differences. I feel like I'm the only guy among my gamer friends who notices it.
It destroyed gaming by making timing less relevant and benefiting casuals. It destroyed my hobby.

>>378363830
Because they are heavy and bulky as fuck.

They are also INFINITELY inferior to modern day television screen technology except when you're trying to view content specifically made for them like retro video games.

>>378361320
muh nigga, was playing this today.

http://www ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-1943MD-/322527342910
is this a good deal?

>>378372759
>hurr it wuz designed for some of the shittiest video signals possible
>it doesn't matter that devs used rgb monitors for development and production

Every Sega console since the Master System supports RGB natively. SNES kind of does, so does Neo Geo AES, ps1+2, Gamecube. Europeans had RGB scart input on regular consumer TVs since the 90's. The only downside to not using fucking composite is dithering, but the colorfull and sharp RGB image make up for this in every other single way. PCs also used RGB type connections on their monitors (VGA is basically RGBHV 480p).

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>Not still having a CRT for anything 6th-gen and back + an HD TV for anything 7th-gen and onward

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>tfw I still have my old Sony Wega with a bunch of old consoles hooked to it

>>378360606
Best display technology ever
I hate how modern displays can't fucking display anything other than native res without it looking like shit. Fuck the modern display industry and their faggotry

Really love the resolution flexibility, lack of input lag, very little persistence blur(depending on the display it could go down to 1ms of blur) that CRT's had

>>378360606
anyone suggest a CRT emulator?

>>378361940
>80S IS THE BEST EVUERRR
This is legit true tho
80s was the last time the world was truly great

>>378363830
Why has the display industry opted for fixed pixel shit is the better question

Because they're fucking pieces of shit

>>378373940
>Gaming monitors have matched CRT's in input lag for a while now
No they haven't
CRT's input lag is like a microsecond long
The best LCD Monitors are still measured on milliseconds, stop spreading lies

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>>378360606
Emulation + CRT style filters = death of CRTs

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>>378377854

>>378377720
Because mass consumer ignorance. Same reason why $800 AV recorders incapable of recording stereo audio are selling tens of millions of units.

>>378364432
tbf new tv content is basically made with huge tv's in mind...it fucking sucks

>>378377854
>cell phones + instagram = the death of professional photography

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>>378377854
>those filters

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>>378363415
>Fuzzy picture quality
which retro games were designed to deal with
>Low DPI
for system that output as low as 256 x 240?
>More likely to explode
i welcome death
>Weighs 50 lbs
you aren't taking it on the bus with you or anything, you put it on an entertainment center and don't move it for years
>No widescreens
lies detected

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I picked this one up for $5 at Goodwill. Its awesome because it supports S-Video and Component. I wheel it away in to my closet when I'm not using it for anything.

>>378365651
what game is that specifically?

>>378377840
While true it still doesn't matter when you can not possibly tell the difference between 1 millionth of a second and even up to 30 millionths of a second, the threshold for noticing input lag is around 40ms, so as long as you're between 1ms and 30ms and have a good g2g response time at 100hz+ you are getting the same input lag perception as a CRT. The only advantage of CRT in terms of pure performance is that 60hz - 75hz on a CRT feels better than the same rate on LCD, but you match CRT with 100hz+ LCD.

>>378378126
Man what happened to Toshiba. They made some of the best TVs in the 90s and now look.

>>378371621
I might be wrong, but there might be auctions/warehouse liquidation sales that still have these, usually hotels who are replacing furniture/tvs. Other than that there's Goodwill, Habitat for Humanity, and your local church second-hand store. I still have two small 12" CRT tvs, they work like a charm.

>>378378112
They are the best combo you can have with epsxe. The XBR filter and scanlines enabled with 2-3 thickness and 150-200 brightness. Learn to have some taste.

>>378378474
I'm assuming this is trolling.

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>>378377854
>CRT filters
>Looking like an actual CRT TV

Pick one.

>>378377985
>Zoolander.jpg

>>378378328
LG, Samsung, and the likes of Vizio crippled them

>>378377986
I don't see how this benefits anyone
It's just the display industry being retards for no reason

>>378378328
Still have a working Toshiba CRT from 1998, it's great.

>>378377854
>HQ2X
More like "Death of You: you retarded piece of shit

>>378361927
HDCRTs get shit on a lot for a lot of the right reasons when it comes to older systems but holy fuck is this correct.

>>378378569
Okay, name a better way to make PS1 games look sexier, I bet my left knuckle you can't.


>>378378579
You're right, they look objectively better than CRT because of the higher resolution.

>>378360606
Anything after super nintendo / genesis that use 480i/480p instead of 240p look like shit on a SDTV. Hence why PC gaming on a crt monitor was so nice during 5th/6th gen.

>>378378474
Holy fuck, just kill yourself

>>378378326
Still an inaccurate statement to make


It's a case by case basis. Some feel it more than other. Pro-FPS or Pro-Fighting players definitely feel the difference between CRT and LCD. Let's not get started on Lightgun games which don't work on LCD's

>>378378326
What you're talking about is typically input lag at native resolution. TVs with less than 30 ms input lag at native resolution are considered good. You have to add input lag due to upscaling and/or deinterlacing when you're talking about upscaled 240p/480i content on a 1080p display. The Framemeister, which is widely considered one of the best solutions for HDTVs, will add something like 10-15 ms for upscaling and deinterlacing. Then you're likely to end up with perceptible lag in games like Mega Man and shmups from the 8 and 16-bit eras, not to mention fighting games.

>>378378709
Fixed output resolution is an inherent attribute of LCDs, consumers wanted thin TVs, and LCDs and Plasmas were the only thin consumer alternatives to CRT when they were being mass-produced.

its seems that only a few people have tested OLED.

the true game changer.

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>>378378890
>Okay, name a better way to make PS1 games look sexier, I bet my left knuckle you can't.
Playing them on their original hardware.

>>378378326
>60hz - 75hz on a CRT feels better than the same rate on LCD
It's because phosphor persistence/persistence blur in most good CRT monitors is 1ms to 2ms and that applies to any refresh/framerate

>but you match CRT with 100hz+ LCD.
Not really
With sample-and-hold 120hz gives you about 8ms of persistence blur and you have to hold 120 steady frames at that

You need about 1000fps@1000hz to get 1ms persistence blur and about 500fps@500hz to get 2ms

Sample and Hold was a mistake. Fuck people for complaining about flicker, bunch of cunts ruined motion forever

I just emulate old games on my massive HDTV. Works for me. I go to Goodwills a lot though, and they almost always have one or two CRTs there, sometimes decent ones, so I'd recommend going to Goodwill if you want one.

>>378361687
There's a reason they aren't used in the film industry anymore, they are outdated. Dumb hipsters

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>>378378914
>being mad because your to dumb to setup epsxe properly

lol

>>378378890
>they look objectively better than CRT because of the higher resolution.
Someone ban this fuck

>>378379614
Gotta love how you disabled HQ2X now

>>378379463
this is being worked on atm and makes ps1 games look really crisp and clean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJqBVn5MkM0

>>378379279
They could do a thin tv with non-fixed pixel by now ffs

Look up the Laser Pico Projectors by Microvision. They're the size of a cell phone.
This industry is just a piece of shit

>>378379463
This. Underage emulation fags like him have probably never tried playing the real games on a proper display.

>>378379616
>they look objectively better than CRT because of the higher resolution.
But they do. Play an old emulated console game or PC game at a higher res and they look amazing.

>>378379387
>OLED
It's just the next plasma
Burn-in
WRGB meme
Still fixed-pixel dogshit
Input lag is on par with decent LCD's lately but nowhere near CRT
Burn-in potential

It's just as shit for retro gaming as LCD's

>>378377498
no, that was 2006. the world went off a cliff in 2007.

>>378379815

I grew up playing ps1 on the original hardware and there is no way in hell I would suggest playing any 3d game on it over emulation. Shits a jagged, pixelated mess.

>>378379603
Outdated for modern content, but absolutely not for retro gaming.

>>378379991
No they fucking don't
You're just upscaling the resolution and making it look like a blocky over-pixelated mess

You never had a good crt in your life and you're just running your mouth off like a retard without knowing anything

>>378380026
2000s were decent at best

>>378379463
PS1 games look horrendous though. The colors in most games look bland and the z-buffer issue looks jarring once you notice it. Plus I don't know why anyone would want to go back to PS1-era load times, optical media did a lot for games but Jesus Christ playing games off of disc is terrible.

>>378380120
>Outdated for modern content
Watch a blu-ray on a BVM D24E1WU or on a FW900 and tell me that

Only OLED can compete(for movies at least)

>>378379813
>LPP
Already I can tell it's too complicated and involved for the normal consumer to set up properly for the industry to invest in. Blame the consumers.

>>378380023

u forget 4k@120 NATIVE

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>>378379603
It's almost as if old games look good on old tvs. Wow what a thought. Please follow up to this post saying the games are outdated too. Give me a laugh.

>>378380105
Well you obviously never tried to play the ps1 with RGB on a PVM/BVM or other high-end CRTs. If you did you would never suggest emulation with filters and upscaling to be superior. I played SotN on a PVM as recently as last year and it was blissful.

Awesome if you can get one but not worth something over

>>378380249
Well you can always try to get 240p output out of your computer through ePSXe to your CRT

Though the best way to play PS1 games without loading times is to install a hard-drive on PS2 and load your PS1 games off of that...bam...almost instant load times

>You never had a good crt in your life and you're just running your mouth off like a retard without knowing anything
Nice implications there. I was born in 1990 actually, had a used SNES, an N64 and Gamecube which I played on CRT back in the day. I just like the look of higher res 3D games, the aliasing on PS1/N64 games is awful. At least PC games had AA but forcing 1080p really breathes new life into older stuff like Quake and Tomb Raider.

>>378360606
Objectively the best way to play retro consoles. I have a few kicking around because my dream CRT (a set with a decently sized screen, built in VCR, and stereo sound) doesn't seem to exist and each one of my TVs fulfills different roles for me

As everyone is also saying, they're a must for fighting games and rhythm games where timing is crucial

>>378380367
It doesn't have to be complicated at all
They can use that technology to make a traditional TV out of it

The current pico projectors are about 60-ish lumens at 1920x720p(though Karl Guttag claims their actual resolutions are more like 360p and that Microvision is lying). Either way with some R&D by some major companies this shit could be a great technology and technically you could probably gather like 10-20 of those to make a good 4K TV with a decent amount of lumens

There was also SED/FED in the past. SED got killed by patent trolling though the bad thing about it was that it was fixed pixel but other than that it was very similar to CRT. FED had potential for non-fixed pixel but had other issues

>>378380375
Potentially great for modern gaming(if they can reduce the burn-in issue, improve the brightness and use RGB instead of WRGB pixels) but for retro gaming it's useless

>>378379603
>There's a reason they aren't used in the film industry anymore
Fucking bullshit
Hollywood still buys 20K dollar trinitron monitors special ordered from Sony

Kill yourself

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>people paying out the ass for scart cables and not using more affordable s-video cables
wew sonny

>>378380556
You never had a "Good CRT"
If you played on composite you don't know what you're talking about

just picked one up at the thrift store today for 99 cents, specifically for my playstation and ps2

they serve a purpose for 240p games. But i will never understand how people think <20' CRTs and PVMs are in any way, shape, or form acceptable for gaming.

>>378379614
>your to dumb
>your

>>378381209
>Your experiences are iinvalid! Only mine are!
Why are /vr/fags so arrogant? CRT's just don't look that great compared to high end monitors. Sure there's very little input lag, but I just don't like the look of them, especially with the low resolution and bad aliasing.

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I want a CRT monitor. They seem superior to CRT televisions. Craigslist shows nothing though and I don't really care for eBay's selection

>>378380339
Yeah, but not many CRTs,if any, are 1080p, and 4k CRTs dont exist to my knowledge. HD CRTs aren't really suited for SD content anyway, and last I checked they don't really have them available anywhere. It's almost as if CRTs suddenly became useless overnight except for gaming enthusiasts and a handful of VHS nostalgiafags.

>>378381901
lcd/led was significantly cheaper to produce than crt displays so the industry collectively dumped the technology even though it was a noticeable step down in quality.

only recently has flatscreens really proven themselves and recovered the lost color range (HDR) and have had decent resolutions for a while when they receive native (this 900p upscaled to 1080p crap needs to stop)

>>378380987
I think the main reason why FED was scrapped is because it was deemed too expensive to produce for the consumer market. I don't know much about LPP but realize that whatever pros it may have, the production, distribution, and consumer acceptance of LCDs is tremendous. It would have to do everything better.

>>378377068
>X console supports different hookups, that means they intended for that hookup to be the one everyone used even though anything other than composite was only used in shithole yuropoor countries
Great meme retard, try playing Silent Hill on anything but composite.

CRT is a pretty cool guy. eh does perfect black levels and doesn't afraid or anythin

>>378381901
It really just comes down to weight. Large CRT's were really inconvenient, meanwhile a single person can set up even a very large LCD screen by themselves. Also LCD's have lower production costs.

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>>378381168
Who has it better? PAL's affordable high quality RGB or NTSC's 60Hz?

>>378381687
>CRT's just don't look that great compared to high end monitors.
Is that why you need Lightboost to make motion as good as CRT monitors? LOL fuck off you underage

>>378381901
Most PC CRT's go above 1080p
There's some CRT projectors that do 180khz scanrates out there which is enough for 4K too

>>378381687
>H-high end monitors look better than CRTs!

We ARE talking about high-end CRT monitors here. CRT PVMs and BVMs are industry grade and cost a fortune back when they were in wider use as production monitors. Your 200$ Assus 1080p PeeCee TN monitor is not what's high end here chump, especially not for the content we're talking about: 240p/480i retro games.

>>378364575
Doesn't matter, you can discharge it with a screwdriver.

>>378382597
No one in Europe with a brain who bought a CRT for retro games is buying PAL systems/games.

>>378363356
Somehow you know spidey is the top in that relationship.

>>378381901
>HD CRTs aren't really suited for SD content anyway,
That's only consumer versions with digital scaling built-in and it heavily depends on the model(there are TV's out there which can do 1080i and can also do 240p and are all analog)

BVM's like the D24E1WU can do from 240p to 1080i flawlessly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiR4E1id-8

PC CRT's are mostly 31khz and above so they're not suited for original hardware but they're great for emulation with 120hz combined with BFI(to get a 60hz effect while running at 31khz scanrate)

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>>378382837
>PVM
The biggest meme in video games. Who the fuck enjoys playing console games on a 14-20" screen? My fucking PC monitor is bigger than that.

>>378382837
Care to point me to a specific monitor?

>>378382171
No according to everything I've heard FED was gonna be much cheaper than LCD

The problems were with the tech itself...I think it need some really perfect vacuum or something and there were some other problems I can't remember

>>378382597
TVs made in Europe from the late 90's onward tend to accept NTSC 60Hz, so you could have best of two worlds with both RGB and 60hz.

>>378383242
Smaller screens are better for retro games
You need to see the whole screen at once for retro games...especially for some of the harder arcade games like bullet-hell shmups

Big PC monitors are a fucking meme btw
I hope people who buy 30 inch PC monitors go fucking blind because they're fucking retarded to buy a monitor that huge when you're going to stand 10 centimetres in front of it

>>378383273
Any BVM/PVM will do
Like the BVM20F1U/D20F1U, PVM 20L4, D24E1WU etc.

Things to consider
>the more TV lines it has the sharper it will be
>some models like the D24E1WU require an extra adapter to get 15khz(for 480i/240p output) to work since they were primarily built for 480p-upwards
etc. etc.

Check Phonedork's channel in youtube he has a series of videos on Broadcast Monitors and he goes more in depth about them as well as about console video output quality and such things

>>378383273
I recommend you check out a YouTube channel called phonedork and see how reviews for all the top of the line BVMs

https://youtu.be/3yeKMo6mcAo

>>378380987
Whats wrong with WRBG?

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>>378360606

>saw a box like this at a flea market
>had a sony rgb crt castlevania and snes
>some kid and his dad grabbed it before i could
>asked if i could buy it from them for twice what they paid
>the dad said no we're going to go home and appraise it on ebay

>>378384095
It's there to compensate for the inefficient blue OLED's. As a side-effect it reduces color accuracy

>>378384128
>appraise it on ebay
this makes my blood boil

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>>378383293
I don't want to hear it. Reading about the squandered potential years ago was depressing enough.

>>378383176
What's BFI?

How does La-mulana look on a CRt? Both original and remake

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>>378384128
>Appraise it on ebay

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>>378366367
The Katrina ass is the only advantage Saturn/PSX Snatcher has over SCD. The pixel art looks so much better than the fucking messy visuals the former versions have, and they even alter some characters' appearances.

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>>378385598
you're saying the playstation/saturn art looks better?

>>378371457
holy shit I have that same desk
It's bad. The fucking thing is way too narrow and it wobbles if I don't be careful with my typing
>>378385825
Quite the opposite. PSX/Saturn just looks way off and the SCD's pixel art is gorgeous with the right configuration.

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I still have a rather late one
I know clones are heinous. I'm stress testing it out of curiosity. Not too bad actually

>>378385598
I'm not paying 500$ for the SCD version, and if I'm going to emulate I'd rather play some of the original home computer versions instead that are the only completely uncensored. Might burn the SCD version if I get my hands on a working Sega CD though. Other than that I'm more interested in the pc engine cd room port as I have the console to play it. As far as pixel art is concerned I doubt anything beats the pc-98.

>>378381168
>tfw TV doesn't have S-video support

Im kind of interested in the whole CRT thing but it doesn't seem worth the time/money/effort, when I can just emulate and use a scanline filter.

Is it really that different?

>>378360606
I miss having 0 ghosting. Outside of that though, they're just old, shitty technology.