Which class has the most potential?

Warlocks, but only by making some of deal with a devil.

Without external aid, I think Wizards have the most potential

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Fuck the faggot magic users, Gunners are far better.

>>378338608
>Not wearing gunners while you cast spells
Pleb

>>378338336

With warlock it depends on the strength of the higher power that's giving them the powers to begin with.


Sorcerer is up in the air based on why they have the powers in the first place.

Wizard is technically limitless, as there's no limit to how much one can learn.

>>378338336
Ok how about this /v/...

>you play as a warlock
>game takes place in 1-2000 bc era
>your warlock powers come from some mysterious enigmatic entity only known as YHWH.
>other warlock cultists want to suppress worship of this new monotheistic religion in order to maintain their pagan ways and their status in pagan society
>you get to call down pillars of fire from the sky and make it rain molten sulphur.
>tagline for the game is "Things are about to get biblical"

Druid

Magic comes from everything around you

>>378338336
But what's a Mage?

I get my spells from ur mom and her favored weapon is my cock LOL

>>378338336
Warlock. Your potential is only limited by the being you made pact with and amount of sacrifices it requires to get more power from that being.

By those definitions, a Priest and a Druid are both a type of Warlock.

>>378338336
Can't a Sorcerer also be a Warlock that studies books and/or learns from a higher power to perform feats of magic?

This image seems retarded.

>>378338336
Sorcerer because with enough talent all you have to do to make yourself powerful is get off your ass and start mystically working out every day.

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>>378338336
All of them get destroyed by the superior Fighter/Magic-user

>>378342698
No. A Wizard could be the equivalent of a Warlock if they learn from a higher power. The difference is using your own power through your learning instead of drawing it directly from the higher power. You'd know how to use a focus as a Wizard and spells, tomes, grimoires, etc. instead of drawing them up from nothing like a Warlock or Sorcerer.

>>378338336
In vidya sorcerers are better from my experience

>>378343584
They're better because they get more spells per day, as in vidya you can's just tell the DM "we go back to town to rest" all the time. In tabletops wizards are marginally better if you know what awaits you and you can prepare the right spells.

>>378338336
Lich > all

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>>378341261
>warlock powers
>from YHVH

>>378344016
Any of those 3 can be a lich though.

What about mages?

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>>378344016
>lichfag

>implying im not the chosen one
>implying my willpower isnt endless

sorcerer m8

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>>378338336

I'd prefer classes where "Magic comes from stealing other people's magic" or "Magic comes from binding the souls of magicians and magical creatures into usable objects".

>>378344721
So a Spellthief? That'd be a Wizard. You're learning to harvest their energy and use it as a weapon.

>tfw Necromancers are always considered evil or a lesser evil in most settings
>no necromancer that simply states "dude it's easier to just use magic to bring these bodies back to life so they can actually fight instead using wasting these young kids lives"
>assuming you're not forcing spirits of the dead back to life or something
>even cooler, communicate with the dead soldiers and ask them if they want to continue fighting for their country or whatever

I want to play a heroic necromancer.

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>>378338336
>higher being demands something in return
>body as generator eventually runs into either dangerous density or low amount generated
>MAG+10 [perk:autism]

probably wizard tho

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>>378344721

>>378338336
Who cares? They aren't real. It just depends on the game.
To actually care about power comparisons of fictional classes, you have to be severely mentally ill.

>>378345361
>every fucking thread
Make golems instead you fucking autist

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>>378345361
Yeah?
Well I want to play a 4channer necromancer.

>>378345657

Golems are expensive nigga

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>>378345627
>he isn't mentally ill
What are you doing on /v/?

>>378344721
Mancymancer

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>>378345838
Worth it.

>>378345874
Laughing at all you fuckers.

>>378345838
And one can take thousands of undeads.
Necromancers are trash

All 3 of those draw power from the infinite source withen. So theyre all one

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>>378344721

>bind a magical girl's soul into a object
>it's a onahole

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>magic is inter-dimensional radio waves of "information" that can be used to mess with natural laws
>Melee combat supported by magic becomes the superior form of combat

>>378338336
Necromancer. This is a fact.

>>378346106
>implying patchouli wouldn't break after one use

>>378338336
A warlock if your human and make the right deals. for your limited time alive you have access to power you don't yet even understand.

A sorcerer if you are not human and have a longer life span to develop your power into something great. this is assuming you arn't killed while trying to test the limits of your power.

A wizard is the strongest if you are a race with an extremely long life span and have the time to spend your life with your nose in a book and in a safe testing environment. this of course makes you a crusty old fuck but they have the last laugh in terms of ability and mastery.

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>>378346354

>setting featuring heavy amount of magic users
>one character has no magic abilities whatsoever, only uses realistic guns, explosives, and human ingeunity
>that character is able to wreck mages shit in despite having no supernatural powers

I fucking love it when normal humans against superhumans or whatever manage to win because modern technology is that good.

Wizard if you are smart enough

See Dota Invoker

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>>378346837
That's always a favorite of mine. GG is pretty much the exact opposite, considering use of magic allows pretty much any basic bitch to be formidable in a serious fight.
Pic related is an example of a non magic user being able to fuck up monsters that could kill him with a sneeze, using advanced science and martial skill.

>>378346837
It's nothing I'd recommend exactly, but there's an anime called something like "Brave of the Flowers" or something where the protagonist is just an ordinary guy who tricks the higher powers into choosing him for some holy quest by simple misdirection, a bag and jacket full of gadgets, and a high Dex score in a setting full of mages.

He's pretty cool, even if the anime isn't, but as a /tg/ guy I've always wanted to make a gadgeteer/artificer and lie to people that I'm a mage because of it.

>>378341261
Congratulations, you just invented a fucking cleric.

>>378338336
>Warlock
>Higher Power
Shitty chart aside, it depends on the setting.
Sometimes you can't beat demons, but other times they're pieces of shit that don't give you power on par with Wizards.

>>378341261
>Warlock powers
>From YHWH
You snide piece of shit.

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Are Paladin's considered Warlocks if they draw their power from a higher power?

>>378343039
What is the magical equivalent of 100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 squats and a 10km run every damn day?

>>378347558
I don't accept OPs premise, but I guess you could argue that clerics/priests/paladins don't claim their power as their own, and that rather they're simply a conduit of Lord RealNiggaHours to smash that MF like button.

>Magic comes from a higher power

This in itself limits a warlocks capabilities. The magic from within knows no boundaries but takes time and the Magic from books is also limited by how many books there are to learn said magic.

Open your mind.

>>378347558

With Warlocks, I think the inherent thing about them is that the higher power can fuck them over.

Unless your god turns out to be evil as a Paladin, your God will never fuck you over, at most he'll abandon you if you do fucked up things.

>>378347768
That doesn't make sense. Your power within can be worse than the power of a warlock demon.

>>378348001

>Making sense of a warlock demon.

I'm positive you're the only one who makes no sense.

>>378347578
Wizards?

>>378342698
You'd just wind up with three redundant styles of low level magic instead of one high level style.

>>378348076
There is nothing saying that wizards have no boundaries to their power.

There's nothing stopping a warlock from also learning magic like a wizard, or having innate potential like a sorcerer, so in that sense they have the most potential. But a pure warlock would also be the most limited, as they can only be as strong as their master allows.

>>378348289
>so in that sense they have the most potential
Why?
What's stopping a wizard/sorc from just contracting a demon if they want to?

>>378348269
Meant to say Sorcerors.

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>>378347768
Normal Wizard day:

05:00: Wake up, brush pipeweed stains out of beard.
05:05: Perform basic hygiene using a single moist +5 towelette a dwarven smithed for you out of pity.
05:06: Fudge character sheet because you forgot to buy fucking ingredients/reagents/spellbook shit again and the whole campaign is not going to wait for you to go back to the nearest town, find out they don't have SHIT there, and then wait for you to either mail order your shit and wait two weeks (and then go on a side quest to find the ransacked caravan) or travel to the capital to get what you actually need.
05:10: Single meal of the day, a tasteless summoned biscuit that has all the basic nutrients you need because you don't have time to waste on eating like plebes.
05:15-02:00 Researching spells, making spells, remembering spells, interspersed with pipeweed smoking
02:00- Quick crying break
02:05- Sleep

Produces: one "capable" wizard of night-infinite power, no charisma, no life, no driving goal but an addicted pursuit of "muh knowleg" will invent one shitty spell that resembles bigby's grasping hand before creaming himself out of existence.

Warlock day

10:00: wake up, wipe off cocaine stains
10:01: Check in with the big man, get your spells and powers.
The rest of the fucking day: Anything you fucking want + the goals of your satan sugardaddy/party this can include: learning to have more hitpoints than a sandwich, learning how to use a fucking sword. Doing more than one situp of excercise so you can put on some fucking armour. Having a life. Marrying that girl you like. Saving an entire kingdom from a golem superweapon forged by a long-dead race by defeating a extraplanar enemy just so you could have your favourite sword. Going waterskiing.

Produces: one "capable" warlock capable of doing everything useful the wizard can do. Will not have a soul but actually had a fucking life.


Sorcerers have it even easier, they just fucking wake up and bam! Balls full of fire.

>>378348269

As long as there are books to be made, there are boundaries.

>>378348526
Usually, all demon contractors are called warlocks, even if they're originally wizards or sorcerers, because doing so is considered corrupting. I was including them in my post.

Technically, you could be born a sorcerer who studies wizardry then contracts a demon as well. In D&D terms you'd be pretty weak, but this image specifies very little so who's to say you can't do it?

>>378348853
Sure thing man.

>>378347250
>>Being able to chuck buildings with one hand
>>So strong you have to wear a collar to limit your strength, otherwise you would rip everything apart by just touching it.
>Not magical or advanced, just normal

Potemkin is anything but normal.

>>378349256
Don't worry, we'll all wait for you to find a book with a better counterargument. Hey maybe a warlock will write it between a cultist orgy session high on succubi milk just because he asked and a demon thought it would be hilarious.

>>378341779
An umbrella term for all non-warlock arcane casters.

>>378347558
Warlocks are given power directly, paladins don't "wield" the power of God exactly, it's more like God is watching and intervenes in the world based on how pious the paladin is. If the paladin strays from God's path, then God doesn't help out anymore. If a warlock fucks around he still has powers, it'll just be a bitch to get more if he hasn't already imprisoned or bribed or blackmailed or killed whatever he needs to get that power.

>>378348853
to be fair, I haven't had a single D&D session in 20 years of various types and campaigns where the DM didn't just automatically assume anyone who needed reagents or some kind of otherwise pointless consumable had a pocket realm full of that shit.

See: Arrows for archer-types.

>>378349649
What?

>>378341779
a type of tuber cultivated solely for mashing with mage mashers.

>>378349796
>>378347558
Paladins draw their power from Goodness. Clerics draw it from a Higher Power.
Warriors of a god are Clerics, not Paladins.

>>378347558
OP is an edgelord who thinks gods are just big demons.
He's nothing but a heathen.

>>378349945
does that mean that paladins are essentially goodsinks that deplete the world of all that is kind and decent?

It would explain a lot.

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>>378348853
>Wizard
>Learn all the dopest magic
>Make yourself immortal
>Some upstart Warlock thinks he's hot shit.
>Slap him around for a bit with your low level spells.
>Go downstairs
>Slap his demon fuck buddy around too, tell him to take his onahole warlock and get the fuck out of Dodge.
>Go back to my tower and fuck bitches for the rest of the night.

>>378349041
Shouldn't all warlocks have wizard or sorcerer as a prerequisite? You don't just casually enter into an agreement with a demon, you need some knowledge and skill to make contact in the first place. And if you're just a level 0 nobody you'd just wind up possessed or dead.

>>378350373
You missed about 12,000 steps of >read a book and have no life like a nerd and >die of old age/forget what you were even doing between the first and second step there buckabooaroonytoonie.

I actually fucking love wizards

So, wait, are you guys assuming Warlocks just borrow magic from gods and shit? That would make them clerics?

>>378350373
>That muscle definition
>That stagecraft
>That interior decorating.
That wizard/bard/fighter/feng shui is a filthy multiclasser!

in vidya I remember warlocks being op high level you can build them very tanky and still do shit ton of damage.

>>378350373
This picture raises more questions than it does answers....

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>>378350567
That's only for the first 100 years of your life, worth it for the next 1000.
Warlocks can be pretty dope in settings where they put in the effort to make them more than different flavored wizards.

>>378350381
Again, depends on the setting. Having knowledge of the demonic doesn't necessarily translate into magical skill.

Look at Faust for instance, the original warlock. He was an erudite but not really a magic user, unless you consider alchemy (in the real world sense) magic.

>>378349945
>5e
>lmaoing at your life

>>378350578
>gods
No, from demons and other darker entities.
Usually the difference is that clerics worship the being that grants them power, while warlocks have made a pact with theirs.

>>378350707
In some games, yeah.
Not exactly a warlock, but Dark Mages in Fire Emblem games tend to be really bulky alternatives to the frail Mage classes, with access to nifty spells.

>>378349945
I thought Paladins are just devoted to a single god that must be lawful good whereas a cleric can be devoted to whatever god he wants.

>>378350578
It depends on what body of lore you're drawing from obviously, but there are some general distinctions between clerics and warlocks, beyond the fact that a cleric will also spend of of his time bashing skulls in too, which warlocks tend to do slightly less of.

For example, clerics generally just have to preach about their patron deity and live under their general rules to get the magic. Warlocks generally form some kind of pact with much broader and varied requirements. For example, a warlock might be granted their powers by some demonic asshole who actually doesn't want anyone to know about it, but does want the warlock to do some specific shit for him.

There too is the point that warlocks generally work under the "bad guys", wheras clerics have a much freer rein.

>>378350847
True, but that's the case in any setting that makes a real effort of making their classes specific to their setting, beyond "our version of the same fucking paladin you see everywhere.

Youth is picking magic classes because you will eventually and inevitably be the best and most useful character in your party

Adulthood is playing any normie class and finding a way to be stupidly useful and powerful anyway

Eldership is railing your dm by finding obscure sourcebooks that lets your monk do infinite jumps and being a gnome rogue who can explode out of people's anuses

>>378338336
To be honest, I don't really care. I like sorcerers because they get magic and charisma, their magic is spontaneous, and they tend to be highly passionate in a way that wizards often aren't. I don't need to become all-powerful. I just want to be good at helping people by blasting evil with my magic, while also having the good looks to attract the many varieties of women I encounter during my travels. A life of doing good deeds and having many fantastical and otherworldly sexual adventures is all I need.

>>378350927
Not even talking about 5e but in general. This was true even back during 2e. You could have atheist Paladins and everything.

>>378347558
Paladin armour, best armour. Never fought anyone else using it.

>>378338336
Where do clerics get their powers from?

>>378352287
Their chastity.

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>he doesn't become a sorcerer/swordsman and then use sword magic exclusively and pair up with a proper wizard

a best

>>378353635
Show me a Path build for it. Though I think that's a Magus or something.

>>378338336
Warlocks, clerics, and the like are basically walking plot devices for their gods. If their deity decides they want them to do something, and the deity has the capacity to make it happen, they'll give them the power to do so. Of course, that power always comes with strings attached...

Sorcerers are limited by their innate skill, after a certain point, they would simply lack the aptitude to continue, and they'd probably get less skilled as they age. Wizards would have to spend forever learning spells, but barring mental degradation, the sky's the limit for what they can memorize.

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Warlock
> Talentless cucks who haev to take enormous amounts of demon dick

Sorcerer
> Arrogant chad

Wizard
> Beta nerd who's laughed at by everyone

Necromancer
> Edgy, but foreveralone creep who has to summon his own friends

Cleric
> Holier-than-thou naïve faggot, insufferable

Druid
> Drugged out furry hippie who fucks animals, complete degenerate

Spellsword
> Retarded tryhard idiot who thinks he's found the "ultimate fighting path"

Illusionist
> Literally Las Vegas-showman, can do party tricks, but nothing else

Alchemist
> Drug dealer, no one knows how he managed to get in

Shaman
> Fraud Homeopath who "totally has magic powers bro", will trick you and steal your money

Why EVER play a magic user instead of a fighter?

>>378349315
Nobody is normal in GG. That's the point. Potemkin's unique among the cast because his power comes from science as opposed to magic or ki.

>>378338336
Sorcerer and Wizard is the exact same thing then.

>>378354219
>t. fighter who's dick got blown off by a stray fireball

>>378354219
Monk style fighter that is actually a sorcerer/wizard toned as fuck covered in magickal runes that augment their power beyond any puny mortal punchy-dude

>>378338336
Can i be a sorcerer but learn shit from books aswel? what about one use scrolls?

>>378354434
I did not play Xrd but from the previous GG's I remember, he was a slave who pretty much did nigger work by moving ship containers by hand or some shit and worked up some healthy, healthy muscle doing it. Think Arnold moving that wheel thing in the first Conan from when he was a child.

>>378354527
Don't get me started on fucking pyromancers dude, pyromaniacs more like, the only thing they live for is to set things on fire ecause that's the only way they can get hard.

>>378354607
> le pacifism and responsibility man
Lacks any sense of humor and is probably autistic. Everyone avoids him more than anyone.

is a Summoner who occasionally summons the undead a necromancer?

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>>378339971
Jesus Christ

>>378354846
Depends on how you are doing it. If you are "raising the dead" to summon, you are a necro. If you are actually summoning a undead to you, you are still just a summoner. Though probabaly a evil one.

>>378338336
Warlock because they're edgy. /end

>>378354728
I'm pretty sure sorcerers can use scrolls. They can in Neverwinter Nights, at least.

>>378354219
>being anything but and Illusionist / Alchemist
>not wanting to be a las vegas drug dealer
laughing @ all of u

If you teleport an object or monster to your location does that mean you're a summoner?

>>378346837
Isn't that basically fate zero.
Though Kiritsugu did have his time accel magic but it just fucked him up mostly.

>>378355743
origin bullet is also magic based, but is a fully antimagic type weapon, so maybe it doesn't count either

>>378338336
Sorcerer because they can use their talent as a jumping off point to study and become a better wizard than the wizard.

>>378347391
Rokka no Yuusha. And the anime was cool as fuck you uncultured plebian swine.

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How's my Warlock character?

>Formed a pact with an eldritch being called Z'z'el
>Part of the pact was that he changed his normal human name to Zaza
>Grew up poor and alone, a street orphan, signed the pact part out of necessity, part out of a desire to grow stronger
>Focus on *aggressive* spells, stuff that deals direct damage, like Witch Bolt, Cloud of Daggers, Eldritch Blast, etc, with a few buff spells, like Mirror Image and Armor of Agathys
>Tries to stay as far away from trouble as possible, but gets involved if the stakes are high enough and/or his friends are in danger
>Tries to keep an overall level head, seems kind of cold/annoyed as a result
Pretty basic, I know, but it's working out so far.

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>>378356416
>Grew up poor and alone, a street orphan, signed the pact part out of necessity, part out of a desire to grow stronger
>Focus on *aggressive* spells, stuff that deals direct damage, like Witch Bolt, Cloud of Daggers, Eldritch Blast, etc, with a few buff spells, like Mirror Image and Armor of Agathys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjs8BQORVI

>>378338336

Depends how powerful the warlock's master/source is and the warlock himself.

Same with the sorceror, since it's innate talent + how hard he works.

Wizards are doomed to be useless flippendo shitters who rely on some magic book to do unimpressive shit like telekenisis or conjuring shit no one wants.

>>378338336
Warlock and Wizard.
depending on setting.

sorcerer is limited by his talent, while wizard can spend eternity learning and warlock can just tap to more sources of power.

>>378341261
this isnt megaten general.

>>378344721
magical vibrating toothbrush?

>>378356823
Warlocks are almost always edgy. Good/average people don't make demon pacts.

>>378355346
pls respond

>>378338336
All of them have an equal potential to go insane
Warlocks keikaku'd by demons or have their brains melted by eldritch knowledge
Sorcerers become obsessed with their own powers because their ancestors really shouldn't have procreated with dragons
Wizards never have sex so they go full r9k

>>378357392
If you teleport someone but they happen to die (not by your hand) the instant they're teleported, are you a necrosummoner?

>>378350482
do they fuck?

>>378357329
you do if you're desperate for protection, or revenge, or to fight for what you believe in and have no other options.

>>378358678
>revenge
>not edgy

>>378347558
No. The idiot that made that image left out that warlocks get their powers from demons/devils.
Paladins get theirs from a god.

>>378338336
Depends on the setting.
Can mortals become stronger than gods? Then the other two.
Does Sorcerer scale off emotion really strong? Like super sand scaling of rage? Then Sorcerer.
In most it'll be Wizard though.

>>378358742
It could be petty revenge, like someone had cheated you or something
people like to go overboard, you know?

>>378338608
>not enchanting your guns

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>>378345657
Why not make both?

>>378359260
Making a deal with a demon over something petty sounds incredibly edgy.

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>>378350482
>Swords are the best!
wiser words have never been spoken

>>378338336
And mage, sage, witches and necromarcers?

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>>378345361
I don't know about heroic necromancer. I just want to play a wizard who decided that 1) he has no intention of dying when he can use necromancy to straight up prevent that bullshit and keep practicing magic, and 2) doesn't believe there should even be such a thing as forbidden magic, and that all magic must be practiced and all knowledge must be collected and archived safely.

I want to play an ancient archivist with his sole motivation for existing and persisting being the relentless pursuit of knowledge - all knowledge. None of that edgy black robes and skulls and world domination because he's so evil shit. Just an extremely dedicated scholar who may or may not enslave one or two souls if it means bringing him closer to immortality and learning new things, even if they're super trivial details.

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>>378341261
>being a lawfag bitch to YHWH
Anon, please.

>>378359773
Got a source on that friendo? Looking for something new to read.

>>378345361
you mean diablo necromancers
play some good games you casual fuck