>DUUDE NO STORY LMAO >DUUUDE PORN LMAOO

>>378332018
Carmack was literally never wrong.

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>>378332018
>he plays videogames for the story

What kind of porn would he direct though?

>>378332327
Oh yeah? His shit games got BTFO by Icycalm. How about that?

>>378332949
who?

>>378332949
Nice try icycalm but no one gives a shit about what you have to say

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>>378332874
Gay porn where a martial arts battle turns hot.

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>>378332776
>he doesn't play games for the story

Why isn't Carmack in jail? does he still have that much money?

>>378332949
I just googled Icycalm and I still have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

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>>378332018
>implying context and story in porn doesn't just make it hotter

>>378333368
that's why he said it's expected to be there in the quote

>>378332018
Carmack is the kid that used his toy cars to play destruction derby, but started shrieking and throwing shit at you when you asked if you could use them to race instead.

>"Carmack is a master programmer"
>/v/ literally cannot point out a single example of his elite programming

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>>378332874

>>378333752
fast inverse square root
which I heard he stole

>>378334276
carmack has nothing to do with that. it was stolen by someone else from sgi

All these years and he's still right. Fuck nu/v/

>>378333097
>>378333284
>being this fucking new

>>378333741
he's the kid who broke into his school to steal computers.

>>378333741
he's right, making toy cars crash into each other is way more fun than gay races

>>378332018
I think people tend to misunderstand what he said. Story is a crucial part of a game, but the main point of vidya is to provide entertainment through gameplay. If gameplay is shit, plot will not be enough to salvage the game.

>

>>378335550
>Story is a crucial part of a game, but the main point of vidya is to provide entertainment through gameplay.
The RPG and adventure genres say hi.

>>378333097
>>378333284
A fraudster who's currently on the run from law.

>>378335628
RPGs has shit stories, compared to other games

>>378335628
Explain Andromeda.

>>378335628
>Fiddling with stats and finding solutions isn't gameplay

>>378335812
No, retard, you missed the point. The stories in those genres are intertwined with the gameplay. You can't say "the main point of vidya is gameplay, not story" for those genres because they can't be separated like that.

>>378335821
What needs to be explained?

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cant look at carmack the same way anymore after the whole harddrive ordeal

>>378335965
Every story is connected with gameplay. Otherwise, the player has no motivation to progress.

>>378336121
Yes, but less so for certain genres. The more emphasis on the story the more it becomes part of the adventure genre.

>>378336501
Sure, but Andromeda (I'm >>378335821) got shat on in reviews for gameplay, and in lesser degree story.

>caring what an old hack code monkey thinks
Look at me I made a mediocre FPS in the early 90s, pay attention to me!

>>378335965
The main point of vidya *is* gameplay. If you take it away you've got a movie.

I actually agree with him. Pokemon games, for instance, have shit stories, but are fun as fuck. Does gameplay equal to design?

bumping for potential

>>378332018
JOHN "NEED TO GOOGLE WIPING A HARD DRIVE" CARMACK

>>378337604
pls no bully

>>378332018
What's the story with him and porn?

>>378336582
Didn't play it or read much on its reviews, but from what I saw it seemed like animations, models, writing and cinematic direction were the main concerns. When it's that bad, sure it will weigh everything down, doesn't mean those things are the MOST important about it.

>>378337604
He's really good at googling things.

>>378337813
>doesn't mean those things are the MOST important about it
But they are. They allow for a coherent experience, thus fulfilling their role of immersing the player. When you notice bloops, the game doesn't deliver.

>>378336754
>games are movies with gameplay
I see this viewpoint parroted often but it's fucking stupid. What movie do you get if you take gameplay away from Spacewar?

>>378337604
JOHN "CODE STEALING FLASHDRIVE SWIPING" CARMACK

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Carmack is /ourguy/ who did nothing wrong
Story is for chumps and fags who can't get good at vidya.
Also Carmack was the best Taco delivery boy

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Carmack is a godlike programmer, knows that story isn't important in games, BTFOs sjws, AND can beat your ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X68Mm_kYRjc

How scared of this guy is nu-/v/? Probably has a huge cock too.

>>378333234
Yeah exactly like normal people.

>>378337809
He'd rather work than see porn.

This is why he's successful and you aren't

>>378338091
If you're so hardcore, why don't you move on from your babby FPS shit?

>Romero's philosophy lead to the creation of Deus Ex
Carmack's philosophy lead to the creation of Rage

Speaks for itself, really.

>>378337951
If you take away the gameplay from Spacewar you obviously have nothing left. Unless you mean the graphics and music on screen that would be completely meaningless by lacking the interactivity of gameplay.

Also you have to learn not to strawman. I didn't say games are movies with gameplay. I said that gameplay is the essential element of games. Don't fucking put your retarded thoughts in my mouth.

The examples you gave were RPGs and Adventure.

Take away the gameplay from an adventure/point and click game and you have a movie. You've got your 5 act plot structure, dialogue, a mystery to explore that gets solved in the course of the story. Only that there's no player, there's no input from said player, and the game would basically resolve itself - hey, just like a movie only needs to be put on "play".

How would RPGs be different in that regard if you take the gameplay away? All the meaningful choices you make in building character and progressing through the story would be absent. Thus either there is no story at all or it would play itself like a movie.

Come on. This isn't that fucking hard.

>>378338440
What's Romero's philosophy?

>>378338440
>Romero's philosophy is rehashing literature
Carmack introduced a new way of enjoying a medium

>>378338267
I am successful.

At beating my meat like a butcher.

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Carmack is a scumbag and is completely soulless but he's also a genius who has consistently been right about most things in the industry. He is the closest our species has ever come to true machinelike efficiency the likes of which regular men can never achieve.

>>378337337
Pokemon games are like the only popular RPGs without story. They're the exception that demonstrates the rule.

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>>378338586
waste the publisher money in hooks and cocaine

>>378332949
Icycalm is a fag who can't play fighting games and is a casual """atmosphere""" tard.

>>378338724
>He is the closest our species has ever come to true machinelike efficiency
You should see me jack off.

>>378337943
They aren't though, because they could all be perfect, but if the story is shit then it's all for nothing. And we want those things to be perfect because we want to experience the story at its peak. We don't want the story to be amazing so we can experience great animations and cinematic direction, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

>>378338586
creating an engaging narrative that brings depth to a game that would othwise have none.

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>>378332018
Is the smug face hereditary?

>>378336092
What ordeal?

>>378338960
>We don't want the story to be amazing so we can experience great animations and cinematic direction
Because one doesn't lead to the other. I am not belittling story's role in a game, but it's not what sells games. Call of Duty, for instance, is multiplayer-focused, and has been since the year dot.

However, talking story-wise, it may make a game a killer-app. Take Wolfenstein: the gameplay was superb at the time, but the fact that you could punch nazis also contributed towards its selling. However, never in the first place was Wolfenstein about the plot. The same goes even for The New Order.

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>>378332776
>not caring about story in video games

Is this some sort of generational thing with Z? /v/'s demographic is underaged and the previous generation of developers were all about narrative and the question of whether or not video games could be art, going back to the praise that games like Planetscape and Metal Gear Solid received and before that to the popularity of Adventure games during the 90s. If this board grows up and develops games I could almost see a repeat of the NES era.

>>378332018
At the time, Carmack was correct in this statement.

>>378339629
But the execution of stories in games is far from perfect, and is often better handled by other mediums.

>>378332018
>laughing my ass off off
What did he mean by this?

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>>378332949
Holy shit is icycalm sharing his opinion on videogames for FREE?

That usually costs 35€ /year

>>378339629
>Using Dark Souls as an example of good modern day narrative presentation

This better be bait or I'm gonna start lmaoing @ your life.
One of the aspects that most people like about the souls games is that it takes developmental inspiration from classic games that put the game's story in the background and gameplay in the forefront, because they're fucking games and not movies.

There are so many games out that that force "narrative" and hand-holding tutorials down your throat without ever letting you play the actual fucking game and souls does the exact opposite of that.

Is it weird that the fact he has 2 children is a great relief to me?

It would be a great shame for a genius like him to be a genetic dead end.

>>378340280
Wonder if he ever googled how to wipe seed from a woman

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>In 1984 you could create and use thermite to aid in a robbery and only get 1 year in a young offenders institute
WTF.

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>>378339485
>Wolfenstein 3D
>"punch" Nazis

>>378333097
Stephen King

>>378340203
I'm using Dark Souls as an example of what is basically a NES game with very little story since along with Skyrim it seems to be the biggest influence on /v/'s age group.

>because they're fucking games and not movies
Yeah. That seems to be a common opinion amongst Post-Millennials.

>It's a "Carmack speaks 5 hours straight without taking breath or drinking" episode

>>378340628
fatties ruin everything.

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>>378340628
>ywn be John Carmack
Why even continously maintain vital functions?

>>378338148
holy fuck he's do alpha

>>378339485
>it's not what sells games
Sure it does. Halo 2 got critically panned for its story and that is a huge franchise. The Last of Us and Uncharted are extremely popular. Silent Hill and Deadly Premonition have their fanbases. Planescape: Torment and Deus Ex are lauded as masterpieces and their stories play a huge part in that.

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>>378340628
>an overweight accomplice

Is he an android from the future?

>>378332327
Carmack wanted to get rid of strafejumping in Q3A.

>>378343847
In the other hand, we own him the weapon balance

>>378333741
Carmack is the kid who meticulously lined up his toy cars by order of total volume, then by color and stage of wear, and somehow always had more cars than he started with.

>>378338091
>Trent Reznor
>made Doom
>didn't even meet id until after Doom's release

>Robin Williams
>relevant at all
I hate this image and how people believe it so easily.

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>>378338917

>>378340890
Punch a hole in them yeah

>>378339629
if a singleplayer game has a shitty story, I just get bored and basically forget I even played it. Only the retarded children discount story as the most unimportant part of the game. Unfortunately, game makers these days are stupid and can't write good stories to begin with, their major influences being hollywood summer movies and the cartoons they grew up with, so they make bland pale copies of the anime they grew up watching and shitty scifi stories that paley resemble young adult fiction like Ender's Game and think they did well, and low functioning gamers think it's good stuff.

I remember enjoying Mirror's Edge alot, but when I think back I can barely remember shit about the game because the story was basically dogshit. On the other side Bioshock was good, and was praised for its story and ideas, but even still it really has only about half as much depth as a good book has. Just shows how poor storytelling is in games.

>>378340628
what's it with nerdy people and lacking empathy?

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Carmack stories? Carmack stories.

>>378345227
Empathy is for stupid people.

>>378345089
Quake barely has any story and is one of the best single player game to be made.

>>378345282
Sounds like a smart man

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>>378345304
You mean Quake 3

Quake 4 is vastly underrated. The singleplayer is goat.

>>378345282
>She's going down! Down to Chinatown!

Honestly Carmack is the single most alpha human being in the vidya industry.

>>378345587
>Thrown into juvie
>Become buff as fuck instead of wasting away

He literally always finds something productive to do.

>>378335953
>playing with spreadsheets is as much a game as basketball

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These guys slap your PC's harddrive. What do you do?

>>378345545
Its a shitty half life 2 clone that falls short of being both a good Quake game or a good HL2 ripoff

>>378345303
empathy is a trait of great men, people who lack it like Carmack are just weak and have to rely on being sneaky like a man who becomes a feminist to try to get someone to sleep with them.

>>378346242
Made into his bitch

>>378346337
Carmack is a measurable success and you're a nameless failure.

>>378346337
But Carmack isn't a desperate white knight fag.

>>378346337
Shut yer mouth, bucko

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>>378345498
No, he definitely meant Quake 1, which has a full singleplayer campaign with excellent level design, two official expansion packs, and a ton of extremely high quality community content to play, all in a unique setting.

Q2 is boring in comparison with less well-designed levels (level design gave way to interconnectivity) and Q3A is just a series of bot matches.

>>378346337
What is empathy

>>378338091
>Robin Williams
what the shit

>>378346627
He is the Doomguy's arm

>>378335628
RPG's ≠ videogames

They are boring board games that you play on a console / pc

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>>378340628

>brain on legs

>>378346870
Sort of this. I don't dislike them but they are just far too casual to want to play anywhere its too inconvenient. Its one of the only genres I emulate on my phone with touchscreen

>>378346754
No he isn't, Doomguy's arms are those of Kevin Cloud, id artist.

>>378346627
dude loved anime and video games.

Whats this meme about Carmack stealing code? Wouldnt surprise me but I always thought that he is so autistic that he just does it himself all the time.

>>378347330
they took code that Zenimax owned with them when Facebook bought Oculus.

>>378347330
Look up the whole Zenimax lawsuit from earlier this year, he took a USB with licensed code on it home around the time he quit Oculus and it started a world war and ended with Zenimax successfully suing Oculus $500 million.

>>378345227
he was 14
hormones fuck you up dude

>>378347649
Fucking kikes

>>378345227
literally autism.

>>378347607
>>378347649
But why the fuck would he do that? He could probably replicate the code in half a day. Does his life of crime from when he was a kid really carry on for so far in his life?

>>378346627
>he doesn't know why /v/ was so sad when Robin Williams took his life

>>378348101
He didn't know any better it seems, he failed to properly wipe the drive too, as if he didn't know how to properly wipe a drive.

The whole thing did nothing but demonstrate that his entire success was founded on unmitigated autism.

>>378332018
True or not, Carmack has much more of a technical rather than a creative mind.
I wouldn't take his advice on game design.

>>378349084
That has to be a joke, not even he would be so retarded.

>>378349084
>but the images were unexpected
That has to be sarcastic to a degree, no way in hell is he that autistic and off this world.

>>378349297
>>378349332
He must've lost control of his faculties for a moment. Mmm.

>>378345089
>Only the retarded children discount story as the most unimportant part of the game
No, those people simply recognize that the story is not where the depth or substance in a game comes from.

>Only the retarded children discount visual effects as the most unimportant part of the film

>>378345089
>Just shows how poor storytelling is in games.
Because games aren't great at telling stories, they're not just passive entertainment like a movie or book, they're interactive and that adds an entirely different level of depth and complexity.

>>378332874
Great lighting, cinematography, and production values, but the sex would be utterly passionless, with the actors doing all the right motions but clearly they're not into it at all.

>>378332018
How was he wrong?
Overwatch has literally no story and it made a billion fucking dollars.

>>378333368
This is why most mainstream porn is vastly inferior to Literotica.

>>378350279
>blizzard defense force in 3..2..1..

>>378350279
Read the thread. Faggots here basically think he disposes a plot in favour of gameplay.

>>378350260
Sounds like David Cage to me.

>>378350279
>Overwatch has literally no story
Except the devoloper pushes their meme story in the background hardcore, just not directly inside of the game

>>378350603
Which actually proves the point, as Blizzard composes the story by using other mediums, e.g. comic books, films.

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>>378332018
>to this very day, story-fags have yet to recover
will they ever? my guess is: no

>>378332018
Who cares what a criminal thinks? He hasn't been relevant since the 90's.

Muh representation and muh story tropes literally only became common complaints after the normos invaded video games.

>>378339629
>If this board grows up and develops games I could almost see a repeat of the NES era.
Good.

>>378350792
Nice try, Romero. How is that demo going?

>>378344452
If I'm correct Trent only did the ost of Quake 1.

>>378341587
Then explain then sales and critical reception of Fallout 4 and Skyrim.

>>378351595
Dumb casuals and trend followers.

>>378350260
sounds like a problem with casting

>>378351595
marketing
duh

>>378351783
Aren't those same people Naughty Dog's core audience?

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>>378350279
Yes, but it's also full of great waifus.

>tfw Mercy will never make you call her mommy

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>>378350279
>>378352386

dude, it has a shitton of story, with the omnics and shit

most people just ignore it though

>>378353197
>tf2 with waifus

TF2 has a little more strat and skill involved than OW.

>>378353197
>it has a shitton of story,
none of which matters at all in-game and blizz has outright said the game has nothing to do with the story because they couldn't figure out a way to sensibly have the good and bad characters working together

>>378332018
Carmack is not a director, he is a genius but a tech genius not a game design genius.

When Carmack said this it made him look closed minded about both video games and porn.

>>378353539
The only people who think this are ones who worship games like The Last of Us. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed TLOU, but there are a fucking vast number better GAMES out there.

It's a decent interactive movie.

>>378353197
its just shitty hipster-tier writing and leftist agenda. You may expect something cool from Warcraft and Starcraft guys, but truth is there nothing of old Blizzard left.

>>378353603
I didn't enjoy Last of Us either but just because one game is bad doesn't mean that a good story doesn't compliment good gameplay and make the whole experience better. Just like a good soundtrack and artstyle. What was the point of bringing up that game anyway?

>>378353603
The problem with TLOU is that it's the opposite extreme. It's a game with a story tacked onto the most generic, focus-tested 3rd-person shooter imaginable.

All things are good in moderation. A good story provides context to gameplay, and serves as another way to draw in the player.

>>378338148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmbW4ueGdg

Carmack is too robotic to give a flying fuck.

>>378354286
That was such a great response on his part. Like

>you can't bait an actual programmer into stuff he or neither of cares about.

>>378349297
>>378349332
It's normal to miss things like that when your mind is working on higher level.
Basically, when you're "in the zone", you think in ideas and not words.
If you haven't ever experienced that, you're either low IQ or at least don't use your IQ.

>>378354286
What a fucking cunt with that type of attitude and snark.

Who goes to keynote speeches to be an asshole in the QA?

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>>378354897
her face is ugly, but those tits are massive. I'd hit it as long as she has a paper bag over her face

>>378332018
He's right, though. Trying to hold an interactive medium to standards of non-interactive ones is silly. Systems can tell amazing stories based on player's interaction.

Quick reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcZ4eF58zQ

>>378340628
Kids this days can't do shit like days that are as creative or without getting shot.

>>378355598
English 101.

story in porn > story in video games

>>378345227
Their smartiness isolates them from other people. Though given that he has friends to help in committing a crime, at least means he's trying.

>>378355598

I got expelled from my school and given a 2 year custodial sentence for building a nitrocellulose cannon and firing it at a junked car in an empty scrap yard

the world is way too tightly controlled nowadays. Steve Wozniak made a fake bomb as a prank when he was 15 and it was laughed off as harmless, do the same nowadays and youd be shot

>>378355780
Because your cunt country thinks every single human being is a terrorist.

>>378332018
Porn with a story is better though.
Carhack has no idea about anything.

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>>378355845
So the entire western world?

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>>378340628
Carmack you fucking madman

>>378354897
>Who goes to keynote speeches to be an asshole in the QA?
Cunts with an attitude problem.

do you think it would be worth the increased crime and injuries if laws were relaxed? it would give people more personal freedom i think and wouldnt fuck off eccentric geniuses like the current system does

>>378332018
He said this just to bully Tom Hall.

>>378355852
Porn should have more stories and less music. Seriously, porn music is terrible.

>>378354286
what did that question even mean what the fuck is she talking about

>>378355598
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>378356792
She was trying to be clever and mentioned porting over inequality, since she's retarded and thinks VR is a new form of media.

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>Read Masters of Doom
>mfw John Carmack would probably be a school shooter or a cyber terrorist for hire if it wasn't for video games

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>>378356698
>mfw around 12 years ago i waited like 2 months torrenting what i thought was a huge mtv collection because i thought it would be neat to stream constant music videos and have the screensavers of all my computers be that stream, so if half the computers screensavered, it would be like 4 tv`s playing the same music video

>mfw it finishes and its someones 700 hand edited porn videos with the fucking to the tune of 70`s rock and roll songs

>>378356792
English isn't my native language, so there is somethings I don't get. Could you make a tarnscription?

>>378357087
Is the book worth it?

>>378357225

Read >>378345228
and >>378345282
and judge for yourself if it is.

CARMACK WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR:

Sidescrolling on PC hardware
3D
Fixing lens distortion by software (which allowed the Rift prototype to function)
Bunch of innovations on textures (e.g. reprojection, mega textures, some stuff on specular maps)

If you think he's not a godlike programmer you're a faggot beyond redemption

>>378357184
don't worry about it juanjamal she was talking nonsense even to native english speakers

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>>378332018
>Playing video games for story
Video game stories are bottom barrel irrelevant trash. They should only exist to string you along in a single player campaign. Video game stories are usually the equivalent to pic related.

>>378357296
>mega textures
wtf i hate carmack now

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>>378346953

>>378357389
Dude Scientology lmao

>>378357281
Did they save the cat?

>>378357389
no u

>>378333752
I think you mean nu/v/ child. John Carmack wrote several game engines without using other people's libraries.

>>378332018
Kys pleb. fuck off back to playing sony movieshit then kys

>>378339629
>NES and Master System era was bad

It had some of the best single player games

>>378341587
Halo 2 sold like hotcakes because of the multiplayer

>>378350260
but what if John Romero was the star?

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>>378357087
>Carmack almost was a school shooter
>He created Doom which inspired the shooters of Columbine

>>378353330
>TF2 has a little more strat and skill involved than OW.
Both have no strat or skill

>>378339629
>Soulshitter

>>378339629
>>If this board grows up and develops games I could almost see a repeat of the NES era.

We are almost their. See mobile gaming.

>>378332327

insider post ;)

Megatextures were a mistake and being removed from future iterations of the id tech engine.

John Carmack broke the entire RAGE engine 3 months before release because of some autistic desire to rework the sound engine which caused everyone to work extra crunch to fix his mistake.

>>378338245
Normal people play games like Candy Crush that have fuck all story.

>>378338245
Normie, 4chan.org btw

>>378338148
story is important in selling games to idiots which are 50% of the user base. that's why he is an employee and not running a company anymore.

>>378364976
if by normal people, you mean illiterate women doing a poo

>>378339629
I'm not against a game having a story, it's just that so few games have a good story, and it's not necessary for it to be a good game.

>>378346453
Bill Gates is measurably more successful and measurably more empathetic. Your move.

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>>378354286
>mfw

BASED

Dat response.

Carmack is great even though he is not in the designing parts of the games at all.

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>>378354286

>>378345228
True robot. I bet him conceiving his son was pure function

>>378339375
Some one stole his HDD and found tons of CP on it.

if you play games for story or visuals you're fucking retarded because films do both of those things far better than vidya ever will

like, there's no reason to play a fantasy RPG like The Elder Scrolls or whatever when you can just go watch Lord of the Rings instead. shit looks better than any game will for probably 50 years and the story is far more cohesive and masterful because you aren't autistically choosing fucking listed dialogue options for the protagonist

the best games are purely GAMEplay oriented

>>378372474

What if I want a specific kind of story though?

If I want an upbeat cyberpunk bodyhorror black comedy with a happy ending I can play Beneath A Steel Sky, but its such a niche genre there isnt a single decent film about it.