I was their most devoted warrior

>no belmont, you are the draculas

gr8 plot

>>378318148

I'm not gonna lie, I was hype as shit at the first trailer. I thought the first game was okay but the trailer really felt like a Castlevania.

https://youtu.be/gKsEPoJMuKY

Still hoping we get another CV in the original continuity someday.

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>>378318148
>tfw this had such potential
>tfw they fucking ruined it

>tfw LoS 1 and 2 together have the components of an excellent CV alt universe, but they're too diluted by fluff and shit bits

At least Robert Carlyle was pretty good.

The first game was unironically great
>Loads of diverse locations
>Loads of upgrades / combos to get
>Not bad story
>Amazing graphics for the time

Then the sequel came out jesus christ

>>378319034
what potential?

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>>378319440
>Then the sequel came out jesus christ

>>378319440

LoS1 is great but didn't feel at all like a Castlevania to me. LoS2 tried to bring in more Castlevania elements but managed to fuck it all up somehow.

>>378319527

See >>378318753

LoS1 was a decent foundation but felt disconnected from the CV series proper. The trailer made it seem like they were going to improve things by bringing in more CV elements like a more gothic setting, other characters and a more "opera" like story.

>>378318753
First trailer is amazing.
They went overboard with crazy in 2nd one.

>>378320430
By 2nd one I mean the game.

>>378318247
I think Dracula is one of the few characters where EDGE is totally acceptable.

>that scene where he literally out prays a knight or something

>>378319527
Playing as Dracula on a power trip. A chance to make it feel more like a Castlevania game rather than stamping the name on an unrelated project.

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>>378320643
That was the raddest moment in the game and if entire game was done this way it would be amazing.
>outprays him so hard it causes nuclear explosion

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>>378318148
>Ironic, don't you think?

I think it would be ironic if everybody was made of iron.

>>378318753
Same. As someone who liked the first game, I was looking forward to more of the same in a setting more akin to traditional Castlevania. Plus playing as Dracula.

>>378320643
It was great. The fact it causes a DBZ-tier explosion that can be seen from space is all the better.

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>Play as Dracula 2.0
>Final boss is SATAN

>>378320643
>>378320749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZauxwpaEYwk

LoS was shit, it's the reason why Bloodstained got so much support. I hope that spaniard that made the game burns in hell along Franco.

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>>378318148
>finally get to play as Dracula
>imagining all those powers we could use like the fireballs out of the cloak/coat
>imagining playing as Dracula in his prime in the past and old, defeated, but vengful Dracula in the future
>"lol no he barely plays any different but he's pale so that counts right?"
>"oh and we stopped caring after we finished the past levels who gives a fuck about the present"

Such a fucking let down.

>>378321047
Blame Kojima, it was literally his idea. LoS was going to be a new IP.

Don't ask me why but the combat never felt good for me. Enemies were too tanky and the weapons felt kind of powerless.

The world also felt too disjointed for a Castlevania game. Should I bother with the second?

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I really hoped for more from Carmilla in LoS 2.

>>378321137
>The world also felt too disjointed for a Castlevania game.
That's pretty fucking disjointed

>>378321047
Bloodstained looks terrible already.

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>>378319440
The sequel was ok until the end where they went with the most anti-climatic piece of shit ending I have ever seen in a video game. It alone ruined a somewhat mediocre game to become absolute fucking shit. You don't get to fight Satan and you kill him using a fucking QTE. I felt dirty for playing it.

The only other issue was the shitty stealth sections, but I could forgive that because walking around in the old flashback castle was amazing. The environments were beautiful and the gameplay was completely fine.

But that fucking ending. It ruined everything. Every god damn thing about the game. And I hate that Mercury has so many extremely talented artists, modelers, texture creators and programmers, yet all their work is dirtied by Sonichu levels of writing. I sincerely hope those who worked at Mercury who actually did a good job decided to go somewhere else with their talent, because the writer hacks certainly don't deserve to sit in the same office as the real talents.

>>378319572
>The Dragon, immortal Lord of darkness, who fought off fucking Satan
>Got stepped on by Titans and walked away
>Walking through a city
>Broken steam pipe
>Takes half your health and pushes you back

Why

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>>378320592

This guy gets it.

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>>378318247

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>>378321094
>>378321431
Have to sneak past these fat faggots because apparently Dracula can't fucking kill them.

>>378321137
The combat is better in the second and it doesn't drag as much. Other than that, not a massive improvement by any means. A lot of the backlash at release came from the sections that turned Dracula into a bitch hiding from armed guards, which isn't as bad as they made it sound, and how boring the modern city is in general.

>>378321397
Most of the talent left the company halfway into production when the past-castle levels were done but present-city/castle required doing. People left in droves due to the egopowertripping company head and his lakeys.

>>378319440
Music was really top notch in these games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOm232wSOXE&list=PL21791DA20B55E7E9&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4-AVow9WBc&index=6&list=PL21791DA20B55E7E9

Although I instantly dropped the sequel when the sneaking sessions came.

>>378321501
Literally stronger than Satan

>>378321501
Don't get me wrong, I was fine with the FIRST stealth section since at that point you're still weak as shit. But then you don't really ever regain your powers until mcguffin at the end which is retarded.

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>>378321501
>Don't get to fight any of them
>Not even as a miniboss
>Last stealth segment is still super shitty

Mercury's CEO was a complete imbecile that drove most of people to leave and is the sole reason for LoS2's shortcommings such as stealth sections which were his "brilliant" idea.

>>378321397
Dudes who left are doing this now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTDNRizuv00

>>378321990
I knew that despite pixelart, the style looked familiar.

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Lords of Shadow is Wasted Potential: the Trilogy.

Could have been something special, but it never finds its own voice. Supposedly the director was a massive cunt and everyone hated him. Which is shame because the team clearly had some serious fucking talent. LoS2 looked amazing and ran like a fucking dream.

>>378321990
>Those who managed to make some of the best mouth-dropping scenery in the 7th generation of video games now only has the budget to make cliche indie pixel-art 2D platformers.
What a sad world we live in.

>>378321990

Looks pretty fucking cool. Glad to see some 2D pixelart that it's not stickmen jumping in simplistic backgrounds that look out of paint.

>>378321990

I always see these promising looking 2D semi-Metroidvanias and they never seem to go anywhere.

As nice as this looks, I can't be arsed to get hyped about it.

>>378322164
>LoS1
>Wasted potential
It was a fully complete experience and I enjoyed it, I see nothing really to complain about in it beyond the fact you can't turn off QTE.

>>378321990
Art looks nice, but judging purely by this trailer it doesn't look like there's much to the gameplay.

>>378322439

They made a pretty kickass 2D game before this one, also crowdfunded.

The worst aspects of this is that it'll take 3 years to make since they're only made of 10 people or some shit. Might as well not get hyped at this point.

>>378322208
They have to start somewhere. I imagine they're very small team right now to tackle higher budget games.

>Belmont shows up just to die

Amazing writing. !0/10. It's okay.

The whole plot seemed so fucking anemic and senseless, how can you not go balls to the wall insane with a game like this.

Much rather have that 3D Alucard game that was cancelled in favor of this.

>>378322813
Probably the directors wanting to go with what worked in other games instead of letting some no-name company guys just do what they wanted.

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Do you guys think there's any chance of the show bringing Castlevania back?

>>378321771
These wonderful musics from the first game always tend to make me sad/nostalgic. Because my ex and I were really into LOS (probably my favorite game of the PS3) and we played and replayed this game a lot together. I hate that I have associated her with it...

>they liked me when I wasn't killing people with demon powers and drinking their blood

very strange

>>378322813
>3D Alucard game
Would have been a 3D PS3 IGA game. 100% guaranteed garbage, as much as I liked Lament of Innocence. I think it made sense at the time for Konami to bet on the promising newcomers instead (and indeed their bet paid off at first, shame about the whole Alvarez deal).

>>378321990
Suppose they left on very bad terms, if your claim is correct? Googling "the game kitchen mercurysteam" doesn't turn up anything and I'm too lazy to do any actual sleuthing

>>378324150
At least it shows Konami are still willing to do something with the IP. Pachislot LOS really had me worried.

>>378324150
"if you guys buy enough blu ray and give 5 stars to the show we will think about it"
If the show is bad, you can consider it dead forever, and not in a Dracula's way. "but guys, pachinkos !!!" Fucking Konami.

>>378321134
His idea was to give Gabriel a beard because "western audiences love beards", and that's the only thing he did for the game other than letting Konami use the Kojima Productions logo for absolutely no fucking reason.

>>378319440
underage

I though the game was acceptable...some sections didn't like it but other were pretty good. Loved the art direction and music
Overall I think people make mountains out of its anthills. The history it's not that great but then again castlevania history and plot has always barebones

I will always want to punch the guy who thought Gabriel's fall was a good story direction. How in the hell does a guy who literally invoked the power of God to defeat Satan and then saw his wife's soul ascend to heaven turn evil? And like 2 days later, at that!

I can understand wanting an epic, shocking twist, but mother of fuck, you need to at least TRY to justify it in the plot.

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>>378324584

I hate this about modern companies, Konami in particular.

>Release ZoE2HD in part to see if audiences are still interested in the series
>Outsource the port to some shitty studio
>People don't buy the game because it's broken
>Release a patch for only one console and only one game in the package months later
>WELP, PEOPLE DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ZONE OF THE ENDERS, BETTER ABANDON THE PROJECT WE STARTED

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>make two games and reboot the entire franchise specifically for the purpose of making an interesting Dracula character that people would want to play
>It ends up being leagues worse than the character you retconned.

Mathias was infinitely better than Gabriel. Hell, Gabriel doesn't even have proper control over his own goddamn CASTLE.
AND THEY INTRODUCED QT LOLI GHOUL SIDEKICKS ONLY TO KILL THEM OFF IN THE SAME CUTSCENES

>>378318148
This game is too damn good.

>>378322813
>Belmont
Which Belmont?

Why do western games take themselves so seriously?

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F U C K

T H I S

B O S S

>>378325325
Screw everything about his stupid knee hitbox in particular
I had to stay awake up until 6 AM one night because I screwed up and had to fight his entire second fight with just a sliver of health remaining. Not even Souls bosses aggravated me THAT much.

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>>378325192

Hipster Belmont with the shitty chest tattoo

>>378325075
ZoE is shit anyway

>>378321990
>nintendo switch
there goes my hype.

>>378325325
Nothing like a boss that revolves around aerial combat in a game with virtually no good air moves.

Robert Carlyle is a good voice

>>378324849
The first game was unironically good, though. It just got a lot of flak for failing to be a proper Castlevania game. And out of that dude's points, the only one that is unmistakably wrong is
>Not bad story

>>378325115
>Mathias was infinitely better than Gabriel
OG Dracula was better than Gabriel; everything about Mathias was a fucking mistake and LoI's plot retroactively sours those cool tidbits of characterization he got in SotN. If I had to choose between Mathias and Gabriel, I'd choose neither.

>>378325549
Does he show up after Pan's brother? because that's where i stopped playing.

>>378324460

Curse of Darkness was an upgrade from Lament of Innocence. Not saying it would be a masterpiece but this LoS business only gave us one good game out of 3.

>>378324150

Show's surprisingly legit. Konami made Bomberman, so you never know. Nintendo pitched it and they hired an outsource development studio since Konami only had some original Hudson designers.

Don't hold your breath but you never know, they could always hire M2.

>>378325325
>>378325537
>>378325630


I genuily don't understand the hate for this boss. I replayed the games month ago for the 110% and I fought his final form with barely any health left. He wasn't particuliary hard, you just need to time your hits right.

>>378325656
Yeah, he's fucking fantastic.

>>378325064

>kills his own wife
>kills a child
>god doesn't do shit to prevent it
>has to become a vampire, a creature removed from the light of god, to defeat the forgotten one
>says fuckit and takes said demons power, since god really doesn't seem to care might aswell become the bane of his followers

>>378325884
Why did you have to hid from Pan's brother ? I don't remember.

>>378325630
git gud

>>378326173
I thought God couldn't or something. Like he was being cockblocked by Lucifer or something.

Shit, all Gabe had to do was wait until he died, vampire or not, then he'd get to be with his waifu for ETERNITY. Dumb nigga didn't think his game plan through.

>>378326336
So you can do the bossfight 1 scene later, and murder the shit out of him

>>378318148
> los
more liek lords of shit am i rite

>dracula wakes up in the future
>doesn't question every damn thing like cars or corporations

>>378326398
Only reason why he goes along with Zobek's plan in 2 is because he's promised death

>>378326415
Yeah but why bother hiding if you could murder him all along

>>378326491
>That cart has no horse! That business is large! Time to go fight magical monsters!

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>>378326703

Man thanks for reminding me OP, such a shit game.

>>378325781
I'm really just referring to the instance of non-LOS Dracula collectively as Mathias in this case, since as far as I can remember there really isn't another origin story for him that Lament of Innocence retconned away. But that's really beside the point, we never saw Gabriel actually becoming corrupted or seeing his faith in god break, he remains pious to the very end, he BURNS SATAN AWAY WITH FAITH, only for him to next game suddenly be treated as this horrible demon lord who, oh wait, ACTUALLY STILL ONLY WANTS TO DO GOOD AT THE END, EVEN IF HE'S A BIT GRUMPY ABOUT IT. Meanwhile we could very clearly charter a course for Mathias, from having his faith in God broken by the death of his first wife, to having his second wife whom he very clearly loved killed by witch hunters and cementing his hatred for humanity even further on the character. Even if you think his introduction wasn't the best, other games redeemed him enough.

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>tfw this trailer ;-;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsEPoJMuKY

>mfw playing the game

>>378325325
It's legit one of the best bosses the western developers ever made.
The literally only issue is as >>378325537 mentioned - you often got stuck on the boss' knee when doing the aerial cancel.

>>378325914
>Curse of Darkness was an upgrade from Lament of Innocence.
To each his own, I suppose. I found pretty much everything about CoD utter garbage- the drab locations, nonexistant level design, small/uninteresting enemy roster, sluggish character movement, garbage gaiden plotline, difficulty consisting of wearing you down fighting endless hordes of enemies throughout endless, same-looking corridors, out-of-place underdeveloped ID shit.
Crafting would have been nice if the game hadn't been so much of a slog- made the grinding unbearable. The music was OK by itself, but the more bombastic tracks would get annoying at times (and it really dropped the ball after Eneomaos, although the final boss track was great). Boss fights were cool, I suppose.
I even played CoD before LoI so I wasn't annoyed by all the recycled content. Probably wouldn't have made it through the giant-ass first level if I had played through LoI first.

>>378325972
I found his hitboxes to be pretty bullshit (although consistent with the rest of the game). It's a nice boss in that pretty much every move of his can be handled in a way that leaves him open for a few hits, but getting to the point where you can do this flawlessly (and you'll need to if you're playing on the hardest difficulty) takes a lot of trial and error.
Fuck the minigames/QTEs between phases though. Those are inexcusable.

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>>378318753
Goddamn, I was so fucking hype when I saw this trailer
I thought we were going to absolutely fuck shit up as Dracula. Decimate the armies of men, completely wreck giant mechs and wage war against God.
What did we get?
By the end of the game, we were still having to fight groups of 5+ Brotherhood grunts and the Golgoth Guards still fucked our shit up
Fuck
I've never been so disappointed in a game as this one.

it had some good moments

>ripping out the heart of the gorgon girls
>all of the toymaster
>BETRAYER! YOU AND YOUR PROGENY WILL DIE FOR THIS!
>the devil trained for 1000 years to face dracula, bitches out and summons leviathan, possess alucard, tries to run from from dracula after getting beaten out of alucard's body
>dies like a bitch

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>>378326680
Beats me.
But thats a lot of the game
>Character gets introduced
>Dies in same scene, the next scene, or scene after that

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I was thinking about playing these games. Should I buy them?

>>378327584
Toymaker was one of the few parts of the game that actually got me invested. I'm honestly happy he had a happy ending, the poor thing only wanted to make toys.

>>378327985
There's a demo.

>>378318148
I'm Belmont. Belmont the Prince of Darkness! Has a nice ring to it, don't ya think?

>>378327985
They're adequate action games. Won't blow your mind, but they're serviceable. No issue with grabbing them on a sale I think.

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>>378326491
>Wake up in feature
>Propaganda without preachers
>Coin economy for serfs
>No hat fashion anymore
>Expensive color printing everywhere
>Clear... glass/crystal? Covering everything?
>Metal in permanent objects?? Without lacquer or oiling
This are all bigger points than cars or corporations. Cars isn't even a big deal before you spot the volume of moving metal.

>>378324689
Nigger, they were making a completely unrelated game and he went and said it should be castlevania, there are fucking interviews with the owner of the studio saying that and how it made him happy or some stupid shit, your dear kojima gave birth to this

>>378327381
Yeah if you refer to the OG Drac as Mathias I do agree with you. SotN handled him well and the other games were content with having him just be evil, which is completely fine for a videogame about good fighting evil.

It's just that LoI handled Mathias in such a garbage way, he just shows up and uses the magic thingamajig to become super evil and shit. You don't see him becoming corrupted or having his faith in god break either, he shows up and he's a giant fucking asshole and he doesn't ever drop a hint he was at some point not a giant fucking asshole. (Kinda like the transition between LoS1 and Mirror of Fate!) It's about as subtle as that 20-fucking-minute long cutscene before fighting Satan in LoS- both games leading you to one expected ending (kill Walter/Patrick Stewart) and then doing a 180° when it's way too late for that because hey, we can't lead into the rest of the games this way.

>>378328682
They did have a proof of concept trailer with Simon and shit, which leads me to think it was at some point in its early stages thought of as a potential CV entry, then repurposed into an unrelated game (which I believe is when all that shit about Aghartha came in), and when MS got told they could actually make it a CV game after all they scrambled to have it resemble one in some way.

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>>378321134
>Go into meeting with publisher
>Show prototype to Japs who have flown over as a excuse for a vacation in Spain
>The Jap overflown executives awkwardly pokes the PS3 controller you have setup for the demo unit
>Disgruntled grunts
>Suddenly one of them comes forward, takes on his blue eyeglasses, and exclaims "That looks like Castlevania doesn't it?"
>Holy shit! A wild Kojima! You try your hardest to not choke
>"Yeah... *muffled noises* it m-maybe d-do t-that *mumbles"
>Kojima nods, and starts speaking Japanese wildly
>His peers nod a little and you hear a lot of "akumajo" and "dracula" by these old men
>After a bit more nodding, Kojima has seem to convinced them
>"How wouljd yuu rike to bland this Castrevania?"
>You just spout "si si, signore" and sign any papers, nervous and happy
>Japan people leave to go on vacation, while Kojima goes hunting for gigantic spanish burgers
>A few years later, directors megaboner ruins teamwork, and people leave to ruin the Dracula vs Satan game

>>378327420
>thinking a game will be anything at all like a full cgi cutscene trailer that features NO GAMEPLAY

I bet you fell for the shitty Dead Island trailer too

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>>378329567
>signore

>>378318148
Thanks for killing the fucking franchise, dipshit.

>>378325325
This boss was the only time I felt like it was a Castlevania game. Heavy amounts of trial and error and required you to be on your toes the entire time.

Best fight in the game and best experience in the entire Lords of Shadow trilogy.

>>378318148
>Play as Dracula
Oh shit, time to play as a villain, conquer humanity and commit atrocities with the Belmonts trying to stop you!
>Nope sorry, you're going to be one of the good guys and save the world.
Thanks for fucking nothing, what's even the point of being Dracula in such a scenario?

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>>378330668
This

>>378319440
Shame it was aggressively mediocre. Then again you Americans do love mediocre don't you?

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>>378329567
Can confirm this is what happened.
It's all this nigger's fault.

>>378330668
>Play as Dracula
Oh shit, time to play as a villain, conquer humanity and commit atrocities with the Belmonts trying to stop you!
>You need to transform into a rat to get through stealth sections

Who in the fuck thought it was a good idea?
A fucking rat?!

>>378327985
1 and 2 are OK games. Just DL the demos and try them out. The only things you can't infer from the demos are 1 having some puzzles sprinkled in to break up the pace (some have you use your abilities to navigate the levels, others are completely unrelated shit like playing barebones chess), and 2 mostly doing away with that and throwing in some awkward stealth rooms (awkward in that most of them are actually puzzles and you're expected to "solve" them by using your abilities in a very specific order). 2 also has interconnected maps a la Metroidvania, while 1 works with a linear, chapter-based structure. Both have you unlock new abilities throughout, which you can use in earlier levels to get stuff you couldn't reach before.

Avoid Mirror of Fate unless you really need to get that Lords of Shadow fix.

>>378330405
Sadly I have to agree. 2 had a lot of well-designed bosses that would have been a lot of fun if you weren't so fucking overpowered. Not even editing a New Game save to start on Prince of Darkness from the get go (and then avoid power ups) fixed that. (It does, on the other hand, make some of the bullshit enemy encounters towards the end even more bullshit.)

>>378331179
Tbf for a 3D "Castlevania" just being mediocre is a massive fucking accomplishment. I would argue that it definitely isn't mediocre at least re:grafix and soundtrack, but I'm aware both points are very much a matter of opinion (the latter more so).

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>>378329567
>suddenly it becomes a manlet-simulator

>>378331572
>A fucking rat?!
The designer misheard "transform into a swarm of bats".

>>378331572
You're right, I completely forgot about those sections. Also:
>Random robot dude is a bigger threat than Satan and his acolytes
Great game design.

>>378321501
These fuckers are somehow powerful enough to enslave the entire world.

Also their models looked like they were ripped from Quake or something.

>>378331975
Quake just has good understanding of the same source that 40k uses for Daemons in armor

>>378331572
Dracula being able to turn into a rat pack is par for the course. It's one of his things.
Only really becomes an issue when that's the only thing he can turn into.

As mind-numbingly dull as LoS was, that last cutscene was pretty cool.

>>378324150

Dracula has some massive balls to sleep in that hanging tower.

>>378324150
Not even remotely, and I recommend you abandon any and all delusions of Castlevania ever coming back and being good. Ever.

Show looks pretty good though.

>>378329581

But the biggest problems with LoS were the setting and the story having next to nothing to do with existing Lore. Both of these things can r conveyed in a cinematic trailer and this did just that.

Then they shit the bed.

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>>378325325

I seriously love his design

>>378333728
Looks like something out of Asura's Wrath

>>378333968
>big guy about to punch small guy

I mean, you're technically right...

>>378333728>>378325325
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Is the Forgotten One the same creature you come across in the basement of Lament of Innocence?

>>378334507
Nope, not at all
It shares the name and the basic theme [ancient powerful as hell creature sealed and forgotten inside an old castle] but they're nothing alike otherwise.
LoS' Forgotten One even talks to you, and he sounds like a vaguely knightly honorable sort, telling you to get the hell away from his prison and not pick a fight with him because he's going to escape and destroy the whole world anyway and he's way out of your league

LoS2 was pretty bad, but I feel like people make it out to be worse than it actually is. The gameplay is definitely an improvement, with different weapons, moves and magic. Hell if you forgot about the modern day sections it would actually be good game

Satan and Leviathan's designs are absolute garbage by the way

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I think his design is pretty great at showing the distance between him and the present time's regular, butt-ugly demons. He's like a relic of a time when demons actually had reason to be proud. He doesn't use a weapon, because nothing is stronger than he is, anyway.

>>378318148
Is it at least a decent god of war clone?

I'm not picky about it's "Castlevania"-ness but I like the art direction

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first one yes, second one feels the same

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>>378321990
>They only ask for 50.000 $
What the hell?

>>378326398
If he wasn't damned in his original quest, he absolutely was when he became a vampire to stop the ancient evil awakens. He'll never get to see his wife again.

Course he had no choice but God is really a dickhead in that universe. Gabriel had a hard life.

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Dracula literally pulls those moves in Bram Stoker's novel. It's not the ability that's bad, if anything it's just consistent. It's how it's implemented in the game.