The Great Debate

>debate
lol. only retarded brits would choose wipeout.

>>378296556
they can never explain why either.

wipeout is very shallow and the weapons aren't very fun to use. the game has poor gamefeel and has no soul.

F-Zero X has more tracks than the entire original wipeout trilogy, lol.

>>378296556
and sonybros

>>378297412
Wipeout was on Saturn too. But yeah.

>>378297508
it was the shittier version anyway. wipeout 64 is arguably better.

F-Zero GX is the best racing game, literally infinite skill ceiling.

Wipeout feels too loose and sloppy in terms of controls.

F-Zero is just perfect.

wipeout isn't bad but it is a poor man's f-zero.

>>378297592
this. gittin' gud has never been more fun than in GX.

Why the FUCK does nintendo not care about fzero?

>>378297958
gx didn't sell well but that was a long time ago. people are way more familiar with the series now. give it online play and i could see a strong and salty competitive scene.

>>378297412
/v/ loves f-zero because they are nintenbros.

i never cared for wipeout's OSTs. very forgettable.

nobody voted other yet.

>>378298382
/v/ loves fzero because its fucking good.

>>378296556
>>378296842

Not a brit, but Wipeout has superior art design, music, and more content.

F-Zero has better gameplay and speed feel, and that's it.

I personally love both, but would chose Wipeout.

>>378299114
>more content
LOL

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PC wins again, as usual.

>>378299332
what is that?

>>378299332
I like trackmania, but that is a bad choice of webm to try and prove a point.

I'll go with wipeout because the serie hasn't been dead for 15 years

>>378300289
aside from the hd ports it basically is dead.

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I think we have a winner.

I prefer F-Zero because I don't like items that much.
Wipeout is still a lot of fun to play.

Wipeout feels like trying to synthesize F-Zero and Mario Kart.
Both great games for different reasons, but they mix pretty badly. Mario Kart is a fun party game with low skill ceiling, F-Zero is a more serious game with high skill ceiling.
Mixing them is a bad idea. See Extreme G.

>>378303426
granted weapons can be switched off but all you have left is still an inferior f-zero.

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>>378301459

True, but that's still something to play.
When Sony closed studio liverpool I lost all hope for the franchise, but here we are, the best episode plus the vita game's content at 4k/60fps.
Plus it could open opportunities for the future depending on how well it sells.

Meanwhile, at nintendo's.

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>he picks F-Zero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y20RuFkvjB0

>>378300289
If there will be no F-Zero for Switch, I agree, it's dead for good.

Why would Nintendo do that, though?
That would be like EA stopping to release FIFA and Madden.
Also, it's been 13 years, not 15. There even was an anime series around that time.
You know, the one that in the West is mostly known for the infamous Falcon Punch scene towards the end.

>>378301952
>/v/
>choosing the nintendo franchise

utterly shocking...

>>378304707
>That would be like EA stopping to release FIFA and Madden.
Do you even read your own posts? That would be like comparing a tree that grows gold bars and a bug covered pile of shit interms of how the companys looks at them.

>>378304827
see
>>378298971

>>378304707

Pretty much like wipeout, I don't thing those licences are nearly as popular as core gamer think they are.

>>378305065

>It's not fanboyism, it's just that better.

Totally convinced me.
While I don't have any doubt about F-zero's superiority any poll with nintendo in it will have the same outcome on this board.

Make a "what's the best fighting game" poll and see if it's not smash that comes first

>>378296319

The only reason anyone would debate which is better is because they're both futuristic racers.


Comparing those 2 games is akin of comparing Dark Souls and Legend of Zelda. Have a few common details but everything else is different.

>>378304827
If it's superior what do you expect people to do? It's like asking what is better between Super Ssmash Bros. And Play Station All Stars ...

>>378299114
>Not a brit, but Wipeout has superior art design, music.


Come on, you can't really think that. F-zero's music is pretty much iconic and the art direction is great.

>>378305535
>smash
>implying
Fucking do it faggot, list should be:
>Smash
>Street Fighter
>Tekken
>Marvel vs Capcom
>The King of Fighters
>Mortal Kombat
>Guilty Gear
>Blazblue

>>378296319
For F-zero, As long as there is a speed gaming community that can break the speed physics, keeping above 2000+, keeping the meta games on-and off the tracks with the jumping and grip loss, and requiring reactions times barely possible to follow in 60fps, F-zero GX will live on as the better game.

For a recent speed gaming off F-zero watch the NASA event that just ended.

>>378306204
>generic low quality audio trash is better than fucking banging club tunes from the golden era of the british club scene
I genuinely don't see what people like about F-Zero's soundtracks
I mean sure the main themes are nice and there's some fast tracks but it kind of blends together, WipEout has such varied tracks
also fuck you, nothing will ever beat the beautiful clean lines, curves, and bold colours of Harimau

>>378297592
>GX is better
When will this meme end?
The more vehicular combat focused gameplay of F-Zero X is a million times more satisfying, when you alone knock 15 people out of a race per track to get First Place it's amazing. You're lucky to get one in GX

>>378308773
git gud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOwNv7kp4Oo
Try and find a bad track. Fucking try.

Extreme G was a good racing series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlbmW5CEF4

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>>378308978
the only good song is Messij

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPn4kCTnJ-0

I'm a hard sony supporter, but I've always thought something about Wipeout always felt a little off. Plus F-Zero is fantastic.

>>378296319
it's always f-zero fags starting shit, why can't we just co-exist

>>378306204
>F-zero's music is pretty much iconic
what is there besides Big Blue and Mute city?

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>"we won't make a new F-Zero because there's nothing new to do with the series"
>*makes shitty mobage cash-ins for Mario and Fire Emblem*
>*turns Zelda into a shitty Skyrim clone and replaces well-designed dungeons with Ubisoft towers*
Somebody please kill Miyamoto.

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>>378299332
>actual gameplay pictured

>>378309757
bait

>>378309629
Are you serious?

Fire Field, White Land, Red Canyon, Port Town, Sand Ocean, etc. are all iconic as fuck.

>>378303426
I thought Extreme-G was alright, just needed better weapon balance (both pickup and internal) and a non-shit framerate for the 2nd game.

>>378309720
Miyamoto didn't touch BotW though.

F-Zero has always been garbage.

>>378309830
and yet Big Blue and Mute City are the only tracks nintendo uses to advertise the series, normies are familiar with these songs and its not even because of the games, Smash did more in promoting cap falcon than F-zero did

>>378299332
TM is a fun series, but it has little to nothing to do with Wipeout and F-Zero.
Also, "floor the accelerator" levels aren't exactly what shows what a game is like.
See Mario Maker for reference.

>>378309818
It's not.

>>378310094
the same can be said about world 1-1 and the zedla theme.

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>>378299114

>Wipeout has superior art design, music, and more content.

>F-Zero has better gameplay and speed feel, and that's it.

>BETTER GAMEPLAY

great, I'll choose F-Zero then because I like to ply videogames

>>378296556
Brit here I can't stand wipeout but then people here have terrible taste in games. Everyone's got a PS4 but for multiplats and Netflix

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>>378305960

>>378310235
they do. those poorfags actually believe the home computers during the 80s had better games than the NES.

>>378309817
That looks pretty radical. What game?

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>>378299114
>gameplay and speed feel, and that's it

You say that like it's a minor factor.

>>378296319
>the great debate
>one series is dead, while the other one gets a new game in a month

>>378310094
Half the tracks I just listed are in Smash, dumbass.

>>378309963
Yes he did. He's the reason you can't stick weapons into walls to perch on and regain stamina while climbing, for example.

>>378308552
>Club music
>good
pick one, even normies can only stand that shit when they're on ecstacy.

>>378310657
hell the menu song from X is in Smash.

>>378308552
>golden era of the british club scene
LMFAO

>>378310742
I bet you're a pleb metalhead.

>>378310421
Skyroads. It's pretty good.

>>378308552
>I genuinely don't see what people like about F-Zero's soundtracks
because they are actually memorable.

>>378296319
I'd say both have their merits. Classic and Modern Wipeout are quite different between one another though.

>>378311148
how so?

>>378296556
Why do Brits care about Wipeout?

Also both series are like the pinnacle of racing games and easily some of the deepest racing games made, but I'd say F-Zero GX edges out the Wipeout games. Like, both are amazing and unique but F-Zero is just plain faster, and I feel like the items in Wipeout are silly and shouldn't be there for "serous" racing.

Wipeout does have a superior art direction though.

Both suck. They fail the Chris Seavor test.

>>378296319
Xtreme G series >

>>378311348
what art direction?

>>378311348
Wipeout has the blandest presentation I've ever seen in a racing game.

>>378305960
Come on now, Wipeout isn't that bad.

>>378297049
>wipeout is very shallow

Factually wrong.

>the game has poor gamefeel and has no soul.

Also wrong.

>>378297641
Git gud dude, it's completely possible to play through Wipeout 3 tracks without ever slowing down.

>>378311439
I'm pretty sure only some 3d marios and rare's N64 platformers pass that and they're the only good games ever made, everthing else is trash

>>378311509
>>378311564
>I wasn't alive in the 90s

>>378311604
>Factually wrong.
>Also wrong.
elaborate.

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>>378311564
>>378311509
It has a better art direction than F-Zero, granted F-Zero started as an SNES game so the ships are low detail and fairly silly looking.

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>>378311739
>wew. great title screen guys

>>378311207
They handle and ultimately feel differently between one another, especially in cornering. In the PSX games and BallisticNG you must drift around with the airbrakes, and in the games since Pure/Pulse you utilize the side-shift mechanic to reposition.

>>378311815
most wipeout ships are glorified triangles.

Wipeout has the best lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4mDhaxj_M

>>378311886
>simplistic
>clean
>instantly recognizable

Also I meant more of the track and ship design, they look great.

>>378311740
>wipeout is very shallow

Controlling ships in Wipeout ain't shallow at all, they have a fair amount of momentum and every little move needs to be thought of and done correctly in order to not hit a wall. Tapping walls at all just fucks your speed and it's incredibly easy to do so.

>the game has poor gamefeel and has no soul.

The ships actually bounce, hover, and have momentum in their vertical movement. They feel and control like you'd imagine a floating race car would. That being said if your good you can easily control them and make it through tracks without hitting anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHh5A3pHMc

>>378297641
>Wipeout feels sloppy
>still possible to complete any track without hitting any walls

So the physics being good and the game having depth are bad things now?

>>378312212
>caring about lore in a fucking racing game

>>378312409
oh i see. they made it look like shit on purpose.

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>>378312489
>Trying to talk shit about the title screen because you can't actually talk shit on the art design or game's mechanics.

>>378312062
They have a real low poly count in the PS1 games, still the longer more slender nature of them looks better compared to the stubby smaller nature of F Zero ships.

>>378310198

Then you don't need a new F-zero.

enjoy!

>>378312212
f-zero actually has characters with personality and backstories.

which wipeout is the best in the series?

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>>378313073

I crie evry tiem

>>378313073
I must say that Sega must've went through a lot of effort for giving each and every character a theme, interviews, and animated short each in GX.

>>378313601
yeah, that shit was lightning in a bottle. maybe that's why there hasn't been another game since.

>>378313813
That's the thing, it's the kind of detail you'll never see again in a video game these days. Even if they finally do another game and try to recapture F-Zero's gameplay somehow, you won't be seeing all 30+ characters getting that same treatment again.

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>Aesthetic
Debatable. Wipeout 3 has the most lifeless menu screen I've ever seen in a video game, but in general, the Wipeout series has better designs for ships, tracks and backgrounds.
>Music
Even Wipeout Fusion, Pulse and HD Fury (the only ones with good OSTs, in my opinion) are nowhere near the OSTs of X and specially GX.
>Gameplay
Both are very solid. Wipeout focuses on excellent handling and turning while F-Zero rewards taking risks and performing tech to gain speed. F-Zero generally has a higher skill ceiling.
>DEEPEST LORE
Wipeout.
>Game modes and multiplayer
Wipeout wins by a landslide. Wipeout HD Fury in particular has 8 game modes which are all good and unique, not to mention the fact that the ships and weapons are well balanced. Also, online multiplayer.
Meanwhile F-Zero has shit balance, no items and tracks that are clearly not meant for multiplayer.
>Options and customization
Wipeout HD Fury let's you ajust the sensitivity of certain buttons, pick between 3 huds with ajustable sizes, toggle screen and audio enhancers, make a custom soundtrack and even switch between 2 main menus that change the color of all menus and load sreens.
GX allows you to make custom ships (OP) by combining 3 parts together, create emblems to put on ships and the F-Zero X expansion kit has an amazing track editor (which almost no one got to use).

I consider Wipeout HD Fury (the best one) to be equal or greater to F-Zero GX depending on what you want out of it.
Personally, I like F-Zero more.

>>378299332
We're talking about AG racing you babbling retard
And that isnt Redout

>>378315374
>>DEEPEST LORE
>Wipeout.


Wipeout has a lore ?

>>378315586

Here >>378312212

>>378315374
>the F-Zero X expansion kit has an amazing track editor (which almost no one got to use).

A friend of mine who is big into F-Zero X was fucking stoked when he heard that 64DD emulation was a thing. Nintendo should really re-release the game with the expansion somehow F-Zero Maker, that thing is great.

>>378304482
Wow this is shit
The sense of speed is nonexistant, the ship behaves bizarrely when taking turns and hits the track like a fucking rock, not to mention if clips a bunch of stuff, the ag physics overall are weird and im not sure inertia even exists.
And jesus fuck WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SOUNDTRACK HOLY SHIT
And i dont even like F-Zero ffs

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>>378315849
>Nintendo should really re-release the game with the expansion
They would have by now if they actually gave a shit about the series.

>>378309720
>"we won't make a new F-Zero because there's nothing new to do with the series"
>Meanwhile Redout launches and is succesful
>Wipeout has a collection coming out that is probably going to sell too
>"huuurrrrr game designers are just idea guys"
Nintendo is retarded, creatively bankrupt and out of touch.

So what's the deal with Formula Fusion anyway

>>378311348
>serious racing
>playing non time trial modes

>>378304482
Why does it look like I could play this on a windows 95 demo disc?

I like both.

>>378316587
No idea. Apparently is was being the developed by the guys of Studio Liverpool, but it has gotten mixed reception and I don't see anyone talking about.
A better question would be: what happened to Splitstream GX?

>>378316045
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SOUNDTRACK
This is why I said only 3 of the games sound good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKin7H62w6Q
Keep in mind the style is different from F-Zero, it is more calm and takes longer to get going.

>>378316045
>The sense of speed is nonexistant
The fuck? Game looks and more importantly feels incredibly fast. Not all games need radial blur to convey speed. The physics look weird but once you understand what the player is doing it's great.

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>>378317124
Probably because it's a recreation of Wipeout XL & 3.

>>378317165
Apparently there's only a few Liverpool guys working on Formula Fusion, and the game releases this coming Thursday.

>Slipstream GX

Pic related.

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>>378317015
True facts.

Also A CHALLENGER APPROACHES.

just kidding, but they're alright games

>>378317141
>>378315374
Smart anons, neither series gets half the respect they deserve.

>>378317498
That's a shame but it makes sense, game development is too difficult and time consuming to just be a hobby.
Also, I can't believe people are actually whiling to deal with Wipeoutzone's nazi mods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_SqQgRPGCc

>Wipeout is getting an HD remaster
>F-Zero gets some garbage in Mario Kart

really fingers my prostate.

Fuck the hovercar meme, as long as it's gonna move along a 2D track and not 3D, ground contact is infinitely more satisfying, and for that I vote eXtreme G series.

What is the best Wipeout game? Is it 2079 or 3 or some other game?

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>>378319476
Subjective. With the Omega collection and a bunch of anti-grav racers out there though, this is perhaps a little outdated

>>378299114
>F-Zero has better gameplay
exactly. Why would I like VIDEO GAMES for their GAMEPLAY. Thats just ludicrous.

>>378305535
>any poll with nintendo in it will have the same outcome on this board.
Maybe it's because their games are actually better? Go back to neofag if you need a safe space.

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>>378315492
Someone say Redout?

>>378319476
While I consider HD Fury to be the most complete game it comes down to what type of handling you like the most, which is why some people prefer 2097/XL and Wipeout 3 SE, since the overall feel and handling changed after Fusion.

>>378320623
I need to get back into Redout, the single player content to it is pretty damn cool, even if I prefer how Wipeout controls.

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>>378320623
I can't get my controllers working on it

>>378320623
>Default configuration prominently uses the right stick
>But there's other configs more akin to other AG racers

So which one is more practical to work with?

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>>378322462
No clue, honestly. I personally use the "classic" control scheme because it's what I'm used to.

>>378315374
>Wipeout HD Fury (the best one)
> (the only ones with good OSTs, in my opinion)
I just
I don't understand
The controls in WipEout 3 are the absolute best in the series, the music is fucking banging all the way through
I don't have any actual arguements I just don't understand not loving the music in all the games, maybe I have too much autism

>>378309818
Nah, search, "press forward trackmania" on youtube or some shit.

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H A R I M A U
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>reading up on the design and shit at http://www.1280x720.co.uk/WipEout-Team-Identities-Pulse-HD
I never even knew the pirhana design was a parachute
I just thought it was a flower

Redout.

>>378323735
>The controls in WipEout 3 are the absolute best in the series
Read >>378321182
>the music is fucking banging all the way through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyNmGi_2hmM
While I consider Icaras to be an amazing song and probably the best in the series, in my opinion, the rest of the soundtrack is mediocre when compared to stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3NvLHbtvtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7u6YLuOFC8

>>378324539
I mean, they're great tracks, but I just don't feel like they hold a candle to bolt up, or X-Project, or, and I know this one is cheating, Aerodynamik
Ah, I need to go relisten to all the f zero and wipeout soundtracks again. Maybe I just need to freshen my memory and then I'll figure out what it is I like and dislike about them both.

>>378325349
Much like the handling, this comes down to personal preference, but I feel like Wipeout's long, slow paced songs don't work that well because races are generally short and don't give the track enough time to reach its climax.
I find most club music to be dull,
because of how long they stay in the same melody and beat.

>>378296319
>one game requires skill
>the Other is just mario kart

hmmm

>>378324539
Aren't most of the Wipeout tracks non original music? I thought they just got random artists they liked and put them into the game.

>>378326249

>I don't know what I am talking about : the post.

>>378315374
>wipeout series has better designs for ships
They look more generic to me.

>>378309342
need to compete on which dead game is less dead

>>378299114
>Better gameplay and speed feel

So, only the most important things in a racing game, then.

>>378299114
>Wipeout
>superior music
The wipeout games I have played just used generic music from artists. I can barely remember their tracks. Meanwhile I have F-Zeros music stuck in my head perpetually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irpcRApbpmo

How can wipeout even compete?

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>>378326375
Yes, and that is exactly the reason why the songs don't really fit in a video game. >>378325896

>>378326249
>Mario kart
>Items are unbalanced and are determined by position
>Wipeout
>everyone gets the same items
>items are balanced
>items can be absorved to regain energy (life)
>said energy can be spent on barrel rolls to boost speed

Really makes you think.

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>>378327103
TFW a game literally doesn't have a skill ceiling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqB8_sr2lQQ

>>378327453

Gee! I wonder if those "techs" were intended by the game developers.

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>>378315586
There's some pretty cheeky tidbits to write off some anomalies that were pretty amusing.

>Why the fuck is Fusion so radically different, especially when it jumps into Pure
>Pass it off as corruption in the AG racing scene that caused global rioting
>The Triakis ship in Pure has a bug where it doesn't lose as much speed as everyone else when cornering
>They had a 'reverse-inertia deceleration system' that got banned in the sequels

Though 2048 has more basic ship design, there's some inconsistencies chronologically, notably in weapons and the mag-strip technology.

>>378327926
>According to Nintendo, snaking was actually an addition to the gameplay, which means it was not a glitch or anything specially "discovered". Although snaking can generally make many things of the game easier, it is essentially difficult to perform, and may cause aching to the hand.
It does utilize a legitimate in-game mechanic made to boost your speed coming out of a slide. I'm sure they just didn't expect people to go full autismo with it though.

If you think that's bad you should watch a TAS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRu8KbbAyOg

>>378327926
Let me guess, you're a wipeoutzone guy?
Yes, F-Zero GX is a broken mess of a game, but that is the reason why many people consider it to be the best racing game ever. There just isn't any game out there with the same level of tech.

Also the devs knew about snaking and shiftboosts but left them in the game, because they thought they were cool and added depth to the game.

>>378312703
>the longer more slender nature of them looks better compared to the stubby smaller nature of F Zero ships
Opposite day in bongland already?

>>378327926
Does it matter? Combos in SF2 were unintended, as was strafe jumping in Quake.

>>378327103
GX is like the pinnacle of racing games though, the shit is insane and must require some inhumane reactions to pull of shit like that, that being said Wipeout's still good and has a lot of depth. Wipeout's ships have a lot more weight and heft to them, so while you're not going as fast it takes a lot more effort to stay off the walls.

The world really does need a GX 2 though. and a CTR 2

>>378309720
>turns Zelda into a shitty Skyrim clone and replaces well-designed dungeons with Ubisoft towers
This is enough to know you are just baiting.

>>378316335
Pretty much every f-zero like on steam blows compared to F-Zero, though. So Nintendo is correct so far.

>>378329073
Nintendo didn't even make the best F Zero game though.

>>378329185
Never said they did. But nobody has made a game in the genre as good as GX since, so again, they aren't wrong. Though the smart move would be to re-release GX with online.

Open both videos, swap between them and it's immediately obvious which is the better game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6dePwYl_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwiwlzVPaIU

I don't like how the cars lurch around in Wipeout and how the camera always seems to be lazily catching up with the vehicles movements. F-Zero GX, by comparison, has snappy and precise controls and a much more satisying physics to the movements.

>>378329645
>I don't like how the cars lurch around
Wipeout goes for a completely different type of handling than F-Zero. Wipeout is floaty and F-Zero is twitchy. It works perfectly and isn't any better or worse.

>>378330150
I'm inclined to agree with this. Although I do think that GX is a better game in general, there's nothing wrong with the way Wipeout plays and feels. I realize it's the most immediate thing to compare the game to, both being futuristic racers and all, but it GX being what it is doesn't invalidate Wipeout anymore than it does Mario Kart or any other racing game for that matter.

>>378329645
Jesus, WipEout is so fucking slooooooow.

>>378296319
I always preferred F-Zero, but greatly enjoy both. They're both have a uniqueness that doesn't make either one redundant to exist, but they do have one thing in common.

they're both dead franchises

>>378330369
They are the most immediate thing to compare because, as far as I know, both series are the absolute best when it comes to racing games. Also, console wars.

>>378299332
Looks like shit. Basically the "cinematic experience" of racers.

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>>378330760
>he doesn't know

>>378330919
he thinks a rerelease counts as Wipeout for being alive.
I thought elephants were suppose to be smart.

>>378299114
>F-Zero has better gameplay
>but would choose Wipeout
>F-Zero is a better game, but I'm a faggot casual redditor trashpile.

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>>378330760

>>378330646
The first few races are on the lowest speed class (for some reason).
This is what phantom class looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZX-Zd0yknk

>>378331267
Phantom is almost as fast as F-Zero, but it still feels so floaty. But it sure as fuck requires skill, so different strokes, I suppose.

Fzero retards saying their game has better design than anything touched by Designers Republic says everything you need to know

>>378329645
The only AG racer I've played is Redout and these both look like shit in comparison.

>>378331548
>Designers Republic
literally who?

>>378331548
>Best known for electronic music logos and album artwork
Sure sounds like GAMEPLAY to me.

>>378306204
>>378326980
>m-muh buttrock

>>378331460
The fact that it is floaty is what makes handling so hard, that and the fact that the ships don't turn nearly as fast as in F-Zero means that the angle at which you approach a corner determines whether or not you will smash into a wall at full speed.

>>378331934
I get that. I have played WipEout a great deal, and respect what it is going for. But it isn't what I am going for when I want to play a high-speed futuristic racing game.

>>378331934
Yeah it's legit. Through their many similarities they find ways to differentiate from one another. Like that guy said, different strokes.

>>378296319
The answer for me is F-Zero.

Quite fucking frankly half the people in this thread that clicked F-Zero aren't even old enough to have played F-Zero when it was good / only know about it because of smash. The people who picked wipeout grew up with wipeout congrats to them for at least being honest.

>>378332557
Just for the sake of argument, why does it actually matter how one comes to discover a series?

Now lets get to the REAL debate
X or GX

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Too bad no one cares about F-Zero anymore!
Not even nintendo!
ha ha!..ha...

>>378332828
X has orgasmic air control, jumps and dives, but besides that, GX is just better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7L3CRuSdY

>>378332820
Knowing about a series because you played a single character from that series in a game that has nothing to do with said series is no different than not knowing about it at all.

>>378332828
GX > X > Climax/GP Legend > SNES > Maximum Velocity.

>>378333339
I mean sure, if you're just aware it exists because of the character and you stop there, that's bullshit, but I don't see the issue with it being the gateway for somebody finding a legitimate interest in a series.

>>378333452
Why is SNES above Maximum Velocity?
I'm not familiar with either but I remember MV having a fair amount of competition back in the day.

>>378333735
Gameplay felt basically the same, but personally, I liked the tracks in the original more.

>>378333836
That's fair. I feel like level design is the most important and underappreciated part of gameplay.

>>378333452
I think you misinterpreted my meaning or I simply worded it wrong. My meaning was about that specifically. I'm sure plenty of kids played Smash and said huh F-Zero looks cool lemme try out and went for it. But if we're being honest a vast majority stopped at spouting the Falcon Punch meme. Their entire knowledge base for the series begins and ends with one thing but they'll click it as their favorite because of that alone. I love F-Zero but not a whole lot of other people did. AX, GP L and Climax were just shit.. I would be incredibly surprised if someone started with any of those and took any amount of time to go back.

>>378315374
What a fucking aggreable opinion man. You got EVERYTHING right and seriously hope we get another AG racing game. Redout wasn't half bad though.

>>378334552
Ah, gotcha. That's my bad then, I misunderstood your original post.

>>378296319
I am very late to inform the obvious here but you just stepped on a landmine.

>>378296319
Have you been reading neogaf recently?

>>378299159

It does: Weapons, Shields, Boosts and Vehicle Classes add more variety into the general gameplay. Also, IIRC the speed is dependent on what difficulty you set for each race. F-Zero GX is the 'ONLY' competent F-Z game, due to SEGA's contribution and involvement in its production.

>>378335236
>F-Zero GX is the 'ONLY' competent F-Z game
Don't shit talk X faggot.

>>378316587
Your typical early access game. It's never going to get all the shit they promised, pretty much dead in terms of development at this point.
BallisticNG stole what little hope Formula Fusion had, Redout completely killed it.

With the WipEout Omega Collection coming, I do not see FF having any hope left.

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who /qirex/ here?

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>GAME has the game, steelbook, PS1 style sleeve, and four themes for £29.99
>amazon has the steelbook and game for £29.99, literally no info on anything else
>have to get the digital edition for the dynamic theme and van uber ship
fuck my LIFE

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>>378323998
>>378336532
Ya'll just don't understand.

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>>378336532
Personally, I am a man who prioritizes speed.

You really have to apreciate Designers Republic work.

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>>378337408
>>378336889
>>378336532
You special snowflakes are so gay. You can't argue against quality and results.
>ib4 fags try calling me some weeb trash

You cucks literally cannot compete with superior nippon ag tech

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>All these slack-jawed faggots talking shit about WipEout
>While in F-Zero all you gotta do it hold down the thrust button

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVCdJDNzfe0

How're those wide easy-mode tracks treating you kids? Bet you can't even tech around Sebenco Climb without dying.

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>>378336532

>>378296319

both good games but lets be real, fzero was better.

>>378338176
This is an opinion. Both games had their ups and downs.
WipEout was more style over content, had multiplayer and in my opinion, better soundtrack. It was a more techical type of racer

F-Zero was all about FST, had much more precise yet simplistic controls and gameplay, had much simpler aestethics and so on.

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*overtakes you on the corner*

>>378337816
>While in F-Zero all you gotta do it hold down the thrust button
Jokes on you, letting go of thrust actually makes you faster.

>>378338640
>make big tanky ship that is supposed to be slow
>it's actually the fastest in the game
Fucking hax.

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>>378338818
Something the matter, lad?

So do we know how exactly the Omega Collection will work for things like online races? Will all the tracks from the 3 games be mixed together, or are they going to fuck up and divide the playerbase by making you choose?

>>378338943
Fucking hell, of course Triakis is Australian. How could I have been so blind? Cheating bastards.

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>>378339238
Don't see nowhere that it says I can't bring a tank to the race
Your own fault really, aye?

Early Wipeout soundtracks were really good but niche. The first game's music hasn't aged well unfortunately, although some of Cold Storage's other tracks like Canada and Body in Motion are still relics. Wipeout Fusion gets shit all the time but it gets points on my book just for having this in.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dyy3aTmVfs

>>378296319
Nintendo fanboyism on this board is truly annoying.

>>378338671
Sure is easy to go fast when all the tracks are either massive straight lines or have a tubular shape, essentially letting you not even need to make any turns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6kvFg5Ih8

You can do exactly what this guy is doing holding one button. F-zerofags also treat legitimate glitches as if they were legit tactics, like DTD and being rubberbanded back into the track even though the ship clearly falls off the guide rails. Hell you can even rub against the walls in turns and it doesn't even slow you down. That's how kid-mode f-zero is.

>tekken 7 and omega coming out within less than a week of eachother
What the fuck. I'm getting both, but I don't know how I will be able to dedicate my time at gitting gud at both

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK1WSxNN4aU

>>378339615
Here are your wide tracks with no turns and walls that do nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp29V1u6-NM
The track you posted is actually one of the hardest in the game because of how handling behaves on pipes. This is a type of nuance that you have to experience to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTo4kSQRTM
Also nice cherry picking, I can do it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y44APXLF-Ik

>>378308773
The side attack in GX>The side attack in X

>>378338818
>>378339238
>Triakis won the championship
>Got disqualified for using banned military tech
Fucking strayans I swear

>>378340502
Wipeout really has a "flow" to it that F-Zero sadly lacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhANf7emu8A

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This right here is 20 times more fun then either of those choices

F-Zero GX>Wipeout series>>>>F-Zero series.

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>>378296319
So how mad are Ninten drones that a literal who meme franchise is less dead than their beloved fzero?

Would you say they are literally seething?

>>378341161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_1gnOFXuQ
HEY ANON

>>378340887
Is this actually true? Your answer will determine whether or not I watch that hour long lore video

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>>378340817
>Not even Phantom speed Moa Therma
Try again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5h4fABbys4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qgmnb-5HF8

Also
>WipEout
>Slow
The game literally makes you go so fast you hit the ceiling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGuG2TjnvMM&feature=youtu.be&t=268

Finally, here's an explanation of WipEout's skill ceiling and physics, watered down for you F-Zero kiddos to understand.

>>378341530
It is true. Also Goteki 45 trolled the league so hard that their research centre got bombed or something iirc lol

>>378327453
Why is the Fat Shark so perfect?

>>378329645
>picked the blue failcon

Spotted the shitter

>>378341412
why would they care anyway?

>>378341161
why did every game after the first get progressively worse?

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>>378341530
>>378340887
Triakis got disqualified for the use of a sophisticated reverse-inertia deceleration system, which made their ship able to go through corners more quickly than the other contenders. They quite literally discovered a piece of technology that could have revolutionized AG Racing.

Now here's the thing about it: It was actually a bug in the game that made the Triakis ship turn corners too well, and the devs made fucking lore for it.

And a bonus: The "reverse-inertia" system has an incredibly similar description to the Chaparral J2. The Chaparral J2 was a supercar that used fans on its back end, which suction created a vacuum under the car that, combined with the ground effects as dictated by Bernoulli's law (when air passes through a small constriction, it speeds up and has less pressure), made the car unliftable, essentially "gluing" it to the track when it raced, and allowing it to turn corners easily without losing speed.

tl;dr even when WipEout fucks up, it's still within the boundaries of physics. That's how deep it is.

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>>378341641
>Not even Phantom speed Moa Therma
Not the point I was trying to make.
>WipEout
>Slow
Don't remember saying this.
>here's an explanation of WipEout's skill ceiling and physics
Yes, thank you for explaining things I already know.

Here is a piece of advice: stop making so many assumptions and try participating on the discussion instead of being a rabid fanboy.

>>378342473
question
if it made the car able to corner at LUDICROUS SPEEDS then why aren't we using suction jets on F1 cars nowadays
whenever there's a crash the cars all fucking fly off into the air, surely that's a reason for having the suction fans

>>378341771
>great acceleration
>ungodly boost
>heavy as fuck
>amazing air control
>awesome shift boosts
>looks FUCKING SICK
How can Blue Falcon compete?

>>378342496
Moa Therma's straight section actually fuck you up because they're always followed by tight turns or undulations. Pay attention to the track, if you don't manage your speed, you'll be kissing walls. That's the whole point of Moa Therma.

>stop making so many assumptions
Those points about speed and teching are always followed by "wipeout is slow and easy hurr" whenever I talk to an f-zero fan. Just to let you know, I don't hate f-zero, but I've seen so many f-zero kids talking shit without even knowing what they're talking about that I got fed up with it. Just delivering my points right off the bat so it won't come to that.

>>378342801
The Blue Falcon is

>the mario of the game
>light
>too fucking slow
>not too good at snaking

Falcon needs to upgrade

>>378342730
Because F1 is ruled by old senile men who ban any kind of innovation. F1 is becoming spec racing.

Their excuse for standing in the way of progress is "muh fairness, you can't find out better ways to design a racing car and dominate the races!". This is what made F1 so amazing back in the day: One team would figure out something that would make their car the best in town and win all the races, forcing other teams to step up their game and come up with their own new ideas to match the new standard.

F1 used to be, above all, a battle of engineers, not racers. This is reflected in WipEout with all the different ships with different stats, and even with the super prototypes some teams come up with from time to time (see: Piranha team's lore).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMtkRcqvGaU

The more I play, the more I feel that Wipeout is better. It just seems to have a higher skill ceiling.

>>378296319
What's up with /v/ and their sheepish love for all things Nintendo. Wipeout is clearly the better game.

>>378343289
I figured that was the case from what I had heard
I've seen some fucking insane engines here that are supposedly like tens of times better than the shit F1 has right now but it's not used
I don't know if it's actually true or not but it's not that hard to believe
BRING BACK NATIONAL COLOURS
BRING BACK B R I T I S H R A C I N G G R E E N

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>>378339332
>>378339238
>>378338943
>>378338818
>>378338640
Can someone please explain to me why we allow Australians to exist in the first place?

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>>378342887
>Moa Therma
Again, I was not critizising the game, I was making fun of the fact that you picked a video of low skill payer on track without walls.
>Those points about speed
I didn't mention speed at all.
>"wipeout is slow and easy hurr"
That's the case for LITERALLY every series that people like to compare. Your hostility really doesn't help, because people don't learn when you tell they are wrong, they learn when you give them an example. This is why you don't see angry replies to this post >>378315374

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>>378344181
Just try and fucking stop them you can't bomb them there's nothing to fucking bomb on their shitty continent
You can't take over because there's nothing to fucking take over I HATE AUSTRALIA

>>378296319
>Strawpoll doesn't have both as an option

YOU BLEW IT.

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>>378313465
Always loved those end screens in x, wish more people had an alternate end screen like falcon's if you beat it on master.

>>378343694
Wipeout is shit

>>378344329
>I was making fun of the fact that you picked a video of low skill payer on track without walls.
But none of the wipEout tracks are low skill or have no walls? In fact WipEout HD has the tightest, narrowest tracks in the series. There's some kind of misunderstanding her, Anon.

>>378343694
nintendogaf isnt just a meme lad

>>378296556
fpbp

>>378340363
i know this feel

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Hey, faggot gringos. Guess what? We're coming to race on the FX400, and we made the fastest ship in the planet, again.

When are you pansy-ass dual hull shitters gonna step up your game and stop eating our dust? Huehuehuehue

WipEout

>>378341530
Yeah, in reality the game was bugged and the Triakis turned faster than it should have, devs made lore out of it, basically saying that the ship used military technology intended for flying tanks as Triakis was a weapons manufacturer and scourged its own bins for parts.

>>378342473
Funnily, the fan car was banned because "it threw rocks at others" and because McLaren was worried it would dominate the leagues, something McLaren was already doing before the 2J.
Also, exactly that is why I loved WipEout. People didn't like WipEout Fusion because it was so different, devs played it up as ingame corruption and jews fucking up everything.

>>378343694
Because as much as they pretend otherwise, most of /v/ is casual as shit. They are also some of the biggest nostalgiafags on the Internet, so it's no surprise they'll pick the game they played as a kid without giving the other a second look.

>2048 at 1080p/60fps
can't wait desu

>>378344471
This.

>>378344607
I'm talking about the video you picked, the GX one on Cylinder Knot. I was making fun of cherry picking, not the tracks. I even replied saying it was harder than it looked.

>>378345420
>2048 with an active online community
That's what I'm really looking forward to. It was easily my favorite of the modern games, but as a vita launch title it unsurprisingly sold like shit

>>378345592
It also had 60 second load times and ran at 20fps SP/ 10fps MP.
>tfw you got the platinum before all the MP died
feels good being part of the 0.1%

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>>378345420
>>378345592
>>378345780
>2048 in 60FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMKTsooiiNg

>>378345780

Overclocking it kinda fixed that.

>>378345934
I've heard bad things about 2048, but a proper controller goes a long way.

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>>378297049
>gamefeel
I hope you were posting ironically.

>>378345934
FUCK
How the fuck does a Vita game look that good?

>>378346149

It used the same dynamic resolution system that got Wipeout HD Fury looking so good.

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>>378345592
>tfw the Vita was pretty much completely influenced by Studio Liverpool
>it sells like shit because Sony
>Sony blames Studio Liverpool and closes it down
>Studio Liverpool was 14 months already into developing a PS4 WipEout game
>tfw there will never be another WipEout game
Fucking sony I swear

>>378346245
There will though. I said it before.. long story short, FireSprite Games is already working on the next one. Most of them are ex-Liverpool employees (Lee Carus etc.).
Will probably be announced at PGW or PSX.

>>378346245
Just gotta do your part next week. There's always a chance it can come back. Thankfully they priced it reasonably. The dynamic theme is fucking sick by the way

>>378346149
Sony has always used wipeout to test fancy graphix. That's why all the games look good.

>>378346149
Because Psygnosis, doubt any Vita game has been able to top it graphically, not like there was much competition to begin with.

>>378296319
The drivingfeel of Wipeout was always way too slow, F-Zero did a much better job there.

>>378296319
GX is better than any wipeout game

weapons are a mistake

>>378346468
Already pre-ordered that shit as physical along with the classic sleeve and steelbook

>>378346634
>classic sleeve and steelbook
are they UK only? I can only find regular copies in my country

>>378346630
Weapons add a new layer of difficulty to wipeout. You have to worry both about going fast and not dying to enemy weapons. F-Zero is baby shit in comparison.

>>378346840
fuck off with your mario kart shit you casual sonygro. dumbest fucking post i read on this site in years

>>378310732
Thank fucking god.

>>378346840
If I wanna shoot other racers, I'll play SASRT.

If I wanna race, I play GX

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>>378346630
You can turn them off most of the time, I think Fusion, the original and 2048 are the only exceptions
>>378346814
Probably, got mine from ebay.co.uk

>>378346934
>>378346994
Get fucked. Your game is shallow as fuck and nothing will ever change this fact. Just goes to show that even fucking mario kart has more depth than your shit game.

>>378347009

2048's lack of racebox is an unforgivable sin

>>378309720
it's really because f-zero would compete for that delicious mario kart 8 money even though f-zero is the better series overall

>>378347132
Shit.
How will the multiplayer work in OC?

>>378347132
Blame it on being rushed as fuck, but yeah it does suck ass. At least there are A+ races and the time trial maps

>>378347273

I've only tried it on my PSTV which crashes when trying to do multiplayer. It's fucking dead anyway

>>378296319
>wide tracks vs. narrow tracks
wipeout, narrow tracks win for almost every situation when it comes to these games as they are about fighting the track and learning it
F-zero is fun and all but I see 30 racers as nothing more than a gimmick, I play these games usually for the TT than anything else which wipeout both ps1 and post-ps2 have excelled at
Plus the skill cap of wipeout is actually sensical and GX it's mostly revered for how buggy and broken the game is letting you go stupidly fast

Where my X-treme G niggas at?

>>378347436
Right here senpai, I like my futuristic racers a lot.
How's project GRIP going on by the way? Haven't heard about that one in a while.

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>F-zero or Wipeout
One of them is dead.

>>378347063
>random chance designed to level the playing field against talented racers = depth
Sure thing kiddo.

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>rarest trophies all are WipEout related
fuck, is it that hard?

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>>378347436
I still prefer wipeout overall but xtreme g III is a masterpiece

>>378347613
They're both dead though

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>>378347738
You guys beat Zico, right?

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>Kinetica is on PS4
https://youtu.be/FtSJG2ctjrs
Yooooo what the fuck, since fucking when?

>>378348004
>smug fuck gets to have a trophy of himself

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>>378347753
>game comes out in a week
>game is dead
Anon.

>>378348435
It's just a fucking rehash of a rehash

>>378348435
>game
movie

>>378347273
We don't know, and since we're a week out of release, it's actually somewhat disconcerting.

What I do know is that they have not standardized the UI between HD/Fury and 2048. So I don't know what that means. Can you queue up for races or tournaments that will be bouncing between 2048 and HD/Fury?

>>378346468

The dynamic theme is preorder only ?

I prefer Hydro Thunder.

>>378349829
I think so, and digital only.

I never cared for these themes before, but do they ever go on sale individually? I really like it.

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>Real-life WipEout on water
https://files.catbox.moe/zdw8up.mp4

>>378312212
if feisar is so shit why is it the flagship team?

>>378313073
>Caring about characters in a racing game like it's some sort of fucking anime
>Not inserting yourself into the team you play for as the racer

why don't people like wipeout fusion?

>>378296319
F-Zero is Gran Turismo.

Wipeout is Forza.

>>378351695
>Forza is less realistic but fun
>Gran Turismo is generic garbage
Checks out

>>378296319
kek look at all the sony ggers samefagging at the botton of this thread. meanwhile LOOK AT THE POLL no one cares about your generic wipeout shit

FZERO IS THE GOAT GET OVER IT

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>>378352020
>LOOK AT THE POLL
What, f-zero has more votes? Shit does attract a lot of flies. Doesn't mean it's goodr.

>>378352020
This.
Happens every fucking time. They get blown the fuck out where it matters, but have a few stragglers left behind when everybody has left while they sit there and say "n-n-no we won wh-who cares about the poll".

Is there a more embarrassing fanbase?

>>378301952
This is the pleb sort of taste I come to /v/ to avoid. It's just been getting worse. Fuck this place.

>>378352020
Kid videogame series is more popular than a niche franchise, who would have known

>>378352318
>Playing racing games
You're both trash. Feel free to leave

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>mfw anal ravaged sony cucks chime in after getting crucified in the poll
Be quiet you pitiful cunts. Your bland meme game is dog shit compared to F-Zero.

Just a reminder: WipEout was one of the first western titles ever made for the PS1, and its longevity ensured its success in every system by using the tech they had to its fullest to show how strong playstation really is. Nowadays, PS is king, while nintendo is still stuck rehashing mario and zelda. Enjoy your corpse of a franchise, f-zerofags.

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LOL

>>378353464

All this demonstrates is that /v/ is full of plebs.

>>378307689
So you're saying GX is literally a meme game?
...Wow ..

>>378352225
its embarassing really. sonygro containment board fucking WHEN? all they do is derail threads with shitposting

fucking cucks

>>378310657
and that's the only place where people know them
big surprise
people only like f-z because it's recognizable from all the cross promotion
nintendofans are so low common demoninator it hurts, the outrage over no f-zero is pure social phenomenon from people who at most only played one or two games in the series

>>378353464
>PS4 controller in a wall
Implying that piece of shit could penetrate even your weeaboo ricepaper walls without shattering like the flimsy shit it is.

>>378329541
why do people treat gx like a masterful, infinite wow so skill just like my dead souls game
the fanbase is just as bad as dead souls too

>>378353464
>n-no wipeout is j-j-just to niche for y-y-you
sony ponies are literally the worst posters on this board

So how is the Omega Collection gonna work? Is it three packaged titles like other compilations or is it a proper mix of all three games at once? If it's like my last suggestion, will cop eventually barring any mild issues

>>378354369
I legitimately have it pirated on my vita and it's just a barebone F-Zero without any of the depth that F-Zero has.

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Think hard about it nintenbros.
Since the released of F-zero GX 15 years ago, there has been 4 Wipeout games ( arguably 5 because Fury's content was huge ) and a new one is coming in two weeks.
Meanwhile, nintendo spat on your face by delivering a minigame in nintendo land and a track in mario kart.

Who's the real loser here ?

>>378311207
Fucking moron needs to ask. If you don't have extensive experience playing both series don't fucking vote or post here.

>>378311740
He shouldn't need to elaborate if you actually played the games you mong

why are sonygros so fucking insecure?