Star Ocean

>>378276283
Oh shit anon, you just reminded me of something I had to play for a long time.

And to answer your question, it depends on how well 5 sold.

We can only hope.

Three was basically perfection. Four would have been basically perfection if it weren't for so many awful characters. I haven't played five. So, basically, make either three again or four with better characters.

Second Story > End of Time > Shit > The Rest

>>378276728
Replay 3, it's pretty fucking bad. Hell, after replaying 3 I'd say 4 is better.

>>378276283
I liked the "filler" portion of SO3 best desu

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>>378277073
You'd love Star Ocean 5 the best then. It's basically all the filler of 3 and the rest of the plot thrown out the window.
The main character even plays exactly like Fayt.

>>378277748
No one could love a disgusting abortion like 5.

Hopefully not.

All So games after SO3 turned into utter shit.

>>378277896
I'm playing through 5 right now and I'm enjoying it lot actually. What am I supposed to be hating?

>>378278184
It ends before it ever gets good.
You know that "save the loli from being kidnapped" story thing you're on?
Enjoy repeating that 3 or 4 more times.
Even the final boss is you saving the loli.

>>378276283
I feel like 5 was probably the end. I say that not based so much on whether it sold well or not, but just from the fact they clearly had limited time and/or budget and/or ability to make the game.

There are virtually no actual dungeons until a half to a third of the way through. You are just trundling across the overworld over and over. What dungeons there are are completely uninspired and don't even pretend to be much more than "walk in a straight line with a few turns until you hit the end." Post game content was pathetic compared to its predecessors (maze of tribulations in almost any prior star ocean compared to lots of empty rooms) and there was also no coliseum or similar things to do.

Starship battle sequences in 3 and 4 were fairly cool to watch. In 5 you basically watched little dots on a ship viewscreen shoot dash marks at each other. It's not a major part of the game, but it was really noticeable in that they didn't even bother to have a short video of shooting beams at each other.

Writing was also not particularly good. Most of the characters had little to no development throughout the game. There were numerous plot holes, including a sizeable artifact of substantial importance to the Star Ocean universe in general found late in the game. It is promptly forgotten about five minutes after discovery.

My general feeling is they did all the work to get the mechanics of playing the game together - which was perfectly okay I think - they just did not build a game around it. It was worth playing, but not really a great game and definitely low point in series.

>>378278184
Story, characters, clusterfuck combat, reused models and music, too much backtracking, terrible production values and shitty length.

>>378276283

I just want more games where you can end up with the frigid older woman at the end.

>>378278407
The combat bugged me the most. Just because I thought there was some potential in it. Having that many characters at once activate in an action rpg was very ambitious and the roles were an interesting thing. The problem was it had no game around it and it wasn't done being polished.

>>378278754
Yeah I agree. It seemed really interesting and fun at the beginning but it just devolved into spamming invincible specials because everything either will gangbang you from offscreen or has super armor and breaking their guard does nothing.

SO5 killed the series. If they made a 6 people would just bitch and bitch again so why try.

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Tri-ace had their chance with 5 and blew it beyond all recognition. Short of a miracle. It's dead again Jim.

Well there's that mobile game that's supposedly good at least.

>>378278971
>Shitting on the game with ease.
>No boss offered a challenge except that crazy sword guy who just spams the field-wide explosion attack mid-game.
>Suddenly this in the extra dungeon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpOdSIWaXw

>>378279147
People might not bitch if they made a decent game.

>>378276945
Same here.
Replayed 3 and its magic is just gone.
Played 4 not too long ago and I think the hate is overblown.
Edge is undeniably a massive faggot though.

>>378279241
Impossible.

>>378279235
I still can't believe they just straight up took music from 3 and pasted it into random areas and fights like this.

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>>378279317
>Edge is undeniably a massive faggot though.
Oh, no doubt. That's why you should main DRAGON ROAR or the awesome cyborg.

>>378279317
I wish they'd just kept ripping off Star Trek and made him more like Captain Kirk. How could they drop the ball at the important part after having first contact being with symbology-using Vulcans?

>>378276283
I want them to make a good battle system for the first time ever.

Anyone playing the HD port of SO3 that released on PSN this week? Is it any good? Also why is it more expensive than every other PS2 game on PSN? Is there a Square Enix tax now?

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>>378276823
SO3>SO1>SO4>SO2
SO2 is not as good as people make it out to be.

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>>378280509
I am. It's way better than the ps2 version obviously. Runs very smoothly, only ran into one graphical bug so far (pic related).

>What changes do you want done if they do?
Just give me multiple decent sized planets to explore, fuck. All I want.

>>378280509
SE are jews. But it might go on sale if you want to wait for a while.

>>378280757
This is exactly it.

Also if I need to choose something else, change the long range/short range thing so everyone has two sets of weapons: one melee, one long range.
Short range light attack
Short range heavy attack.
Long range light attack.
Long range heavy attack.

Obviously long range will be much weaker. This way you can have positioning be important instead of just tapping and holding the special attack button all fight long and winning. You'd have to move around yourself.

We get 5 Star Oceans but can't get another Suikoden or Grandia

Fuck this gay earth

>>378276283
I never got the appeal to Star Ocean. It just looks like a generic RPG. Is there some kind of special gimmick I'm missing?

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>>378281049
>Grandia
Maybe one day.

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>>378281049
SO6 is set on Gay Earth where the population is dying because everyone's a faggot.
It's up to you, Steel Hardon to find monster girls and boys across the galaxy and bring them back to Gay Earth in an attempt to get everyone breeding again.

>>378277748
pc when

>>378277748
>>The main character even plays exactly like Fayt
>pull up a video of one of the ex dungeon bosses
>air raid spam

Well shit, he actually does.

>>378281765
He even has dimension door and his special super fuck you attack is Ethereal Blast.
His counter for defending is Sidekick.

>>378276945
I've beaten three four times. It's really fucking amazing. It's just a shame that there are no good challenge runs for it.

>>378276283
Fire everyone involved with 3 through 5 and put the key staff of 2 in charge again.

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>>378278304
>There were numerous plot holes, including a sizeable artifact of substantial importance to the Star Ocean universe in general found late in the game. It is promptly forgotten about five minutes after discovery.
I don't even remember what you're talking about.

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>>378283564
How could you forget the gate? It's literally the one from Planet Styx except a circle instead of a square.

>>378283564
>>378283762
Exactly. And what became of it in the end? Absolutely nothing at all. No one gave a single damn that there was a pocket dimension with a disturbing ancient portal under a temple on a random planet. Even if the earthlings hadn't seen images of Styx, this should seem rather important.

>>378284079
I think it was supposed to be a "and this is how they found Planet Styx" moment because Emmerson got the coordinates of the place I believe.
It was still random as hell, though.

>>378276283
Bug testing kind of like when the end boss wont attack you so can continue the fight

>no art of fiore giving a blowjob with her green lipstick on
I blame the game being shit on the lack of porn.

>>378276283
is the hd remaster worth a shit or should I stick with my ps2 version?

>>378284449
That would have been fair enough and all, and I could even accept it being a tie into a star ocean 6 that likely won't happen. However, no one really cared all that much at the time and they didn't even mention anything in the epilogue about going back and investigating further. Or even sending a bunch of generic guys in labcoats to do it. This planet was suddenly placed on the same level as Elicoor or Styx in relevance to the 4D beings and nothing happened.

>>378276283
sTAR OCEAN 2'S STARTING VILLAGE IS THE comfiest

PROVE ME WRONG

I've never played a game in the series but I'm kinda interested in it. I know 3 is coming to PS4 and that 5 released sometime last year. Either worth checking out?

>>378285142
3 is already out on ps4. It's on the PSN. 30 bucks. It's worth a buy if you like it. 5 is kinda bad if you're expecting to go to other planets like past games. You're stuck on a single backwater planet as a sword wielding main character. It's pretty much lost all the charm of the past star ocean games, but it's pretty and the combat is nice.

>>378284971
It's just the same game with smoothing filters and PSN trophies added.

SO3 is shit until you get Maria, ok until you get off the shithole planet, and then it's breddy gud.

>>378285142
Play the PSP version of 1, the PSX version of 2, whichever version of 3, the PS3 version of 4, and do not play 5 under any circumstances.
The first four games are all at least decent with most people considering either 2 or 3 to be the best, 5 is just garbage.

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>>378285097
It's comfy, but tri-Ace has made comfier

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Wasted potential: the series
Every time I see these threads, I lose a bit of my soul.

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>>378285430
>A hundred NPCs with day-long schedules that you need to find
>There is not a single guide that says where people are at what times
That is not comfy at all.

>>378285430
*Kicks

>>378285406
>the PSX version of 2
I though 1 was better on the PSX?

>>378285568
1 was not on the PSX.

At this point, the Star Ocean series is pretty well doomed. They made too many radical changes in each game, so much so that the fanbase gets so intensely split based on their favorite game that they'll never be able to appease everyone.

But beyond that, they've just lost the ability to write a good story. I disliked SO3's story quite a bit, but 4 was just a disaster.

SO4 just had so many problems with character motivations. Edge's fuck up had no consequences for him. The story improves significantly if the destroyed planet was something in their own universe rather than an alternate reality planet, because then there are real consequences beyond "I feel bad"

But by far the worst one is the final boss. "Some random girl I just met a couple days ago got murdered by a cult, so I'm going to betray everyone and destroy the universe." How is that even remotely believable?

Almost their entire time on Roak was irrelevant, and it's half the game.

They had so many throwbacks to SO1 and SO2 that were hamfisted. The existence of a second Energy Nede had implications to the plot of 2 that make no sense. Which is why each successive game makes the series worse. They keep doing things with each game that are not only poor choices, but they damage the established lore of previous games. SO3's plot twist did it, and a bunch of shit in SO4 did too. I haven't played SO5, but I worry about what dumb shit it's going to do to damage prior game's stories too.

>>378285430
Sequel never.

>>378285594
>The existence of a second Energy Nede
Wait, what?

>>378285590
Ah.

>>378285529
Oh anon, I never said trying to 100% the game was comfy
But being in the city was comfy as FUCK
The layout, the music changes based on where you were, kicking everything, etc.
It had an MMO sort of vibe, but handled better than most

I'm in the shrine of kaddan in 3. Does Maria ever get useful? Her attack is pitifully low and her HP is terrible.

>>378286192
Maria is the best character in the game, bar none. What skills are you using?

>>378286192
She is one of the best to use. But almost every character is game breaking in a certain way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJpGGHcDdQ

>>378286192
CHAIN
SKILLS
NIGGA
100000000000% DAMAGE AIMING DEVICE

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>>378286192
One of the best characters to use. I think you might not be setting her up right anon.

Is the psp remake of Star Ocean 2 fine? I know a lot of people complain about the artstyle but is it the same other than that?

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>>378287334
No.

>>378287040
>Suddenly reminded how fucking fun the combo and battle system in this game got
How well does this emulate nowadays? I might have to get a PS2 emulator and put that into my DVD drive and give it another go ( still own the game, but my PS2 is long dead ).

>>378287197
She has scatter beam and aiming device, what exactly is there to set up? She also dies every single fight.

>>378287938
Then it's something you're doing wrong.

Aiming device is all you need. Low HP can be fixed eventually.

>>378287938
You can use scatter beams on both shorts, go in close and let the enemy trigger your shield to stun them and then just spam scatter beam.

>>378287938
>use someone to knock foe up
>Insta switch and AIMING DEVICE
>Gib anything that isn't a boss

>>378288383
Why does everyone assume I'm using her?

>>378288606
>Relying on SO3's AI
Protip. it fucking sucks most of the time. If you wanna get anywhere later (Especially post-game) you're gonna have to learn to use everyone you want to use by yourself.

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>>378288803
I don't need to rely on them, I just need them to not die. FUCK.

>>378288606
>Not getting good and using everyone on manual
You kinda want to in earnest, the AI's trash, but honestly once you learn the system, it all -clicks- and starts to fucking feel good.

Playing SO3 for the first time and really enjoying it. It's like SO1 and SO2 where you can only get oh so many party members, right?

>>378288986
Have you leveled up their attack/defense skills?

>did two playthroughs on it
>still ended up with the ending where fayt goes with no one

I dont know how the fuck the romance system works

>>378289182
Yes, a few characters are mutually exclusive.

>>378289246
It's a massively cut down version of the private action system and most PAs are very easily missable.

>>378289182
Pretty much.

>>378285676
What did you think EN2 was with psynards?

>>378287938
Maria is rough early on because she is slow and doesn't have good hp. She does however have pretty good mp and not much to really use it on. Have MP absorbing HP damage and she gets a lot sturdier. Get her bunny shoes and her speed problem is gone and she can kite enemies around.

Maria also gets extremely powerful skills later on like Energy Beam and Triple Kick. You can outright break most fights later on with just Maria. She can take on enemies easily you would need extremely high skill to handle otherwise just by spamming these.

I'd really say the only more broken character late game is super armor Fayt that can tank everything with zero damage at normal difficulty.

>>378289809
I'm planning on getting another tome that "teaches common support symbols" so she can have healing to spam with her MP. I'll slap on two regeneration symbols so her MP regens every few seconds too.
I can't get that right away though and item creation is annoying, takes forever, and drains your money like crazy.

I don't see how the series made it past 3. The 'It's just a video game' twist ruined 3. In the games own canon everything is fake. As were the previous games. And any games in the future so...why would I play them?

>>378290080
I honestly wouldn't both. Better off just using her MP to tank hits and focusing her skills on offense. You really don't want her wasting time on spell casting when she could be murdering everything. Just have dedicated symobologists heal.

>>378290513
But I need someone in battle who has "healing" on that isn't Fayt so they can spam it after battle and I won't have to worry about how many blackberries I have. This is still early game, HP is still an issue.

>>378290080
Cliff is better for that tome. He casts so fast and Maria gets spells naturally.

>>378276283

>Nel, Clair, Mirage, and Maria will never exist in real life.

I'll never be able to rid myself of these feels......

>>378289809
>What did you think EN2 was with psynards?
It's been several years since I played 4 and I don't remember this at all. I barely remember everything after Roak in general.

>>378290080

You're doing it wrong.

Learn her Triple Kick move and give her bunny shoes and use her as your player-controlled character. Triple Kick is insanely broken, you will crush all enemy mobs easily with it when you level it up some.

After training her at Mosel a bit I used her as my leader for the rest of the game and never looked back at Fayt.

>>378291946
>Not using Cliff and juggling the shit out of things with Sphere of Might & Fists of Fury
It's like you hate punching shit to death and spirit bombing things.

>>378281071
Star Ocean 3 was my first game in the series and I found it fun because it was an RPG with action combat back as a kid.

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>>378289286
Speaking of PA's, the PA system from 5 was one of the most unpleasant experiences I've had with a JRPG recently.
>walk over PA icon
>do every PA in the area
>walk over PA icon again to reunite the party
>enter and exit inn, both actions having loading screens
>walk over PA icon again
>rinse and repeat until the PA icon doesn't appear anymore

I honestly think a quarter of my playtime was wasted on this bullshit. Most of the PA's were fucking garbage too

>PS4 version of 3 is still dub-only
Guess I have no reason to buy it then.

>>378292125
original triumvirate is so limp though, cliff loses all story direction after finding fem-cliff.

if you dont have 95% battle trophies get out

>>378292125

That's fun, but kicking things to death with best SO3 girl is better.

>>378281071
The science fantasy setting is probably the biggest point of appeal. The series was also notable for being an early RPG series with competent action combat, much more so than Tales of games were managing at the same time.
2 is a great game all around, it has a solid story, good characters, loads of content and optional content too, good dungeon design, endings based on character affection values with every possible pairing getting an ending, and great item creation and skill systems. I cannot recommend 2 enough.
3 throws most of that out except for the dungeon design, and the rest of the games are just mediocre.

>>378292304
>Every PA is only like 20 seconds long and is nothing but the character talking at Fidel
>Almost none of them have dialogue choices
>Almost none of them have characters interacting with anyone aside from Fidel
It was awful.

>Recall taking the iron pipe and just stacking it with Celestial Homunculus
THE FIREWORKS ON EVERY. FUCKING. ATTACK. Anyone else used to fuck around with this game post-game when you could just go crazy on crafts?

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>>378292540
The way cutscenes were handled doesn't help, half the time the characters just stood there statically and spoke while you could run around like an asshole and pose, making it feel like literally nothing in the game mattered

>>378294031
There was an achievement for posing during cutscenes too.

>>378294681
Kek. It seems even the devs didn't expect people to take it seriously.

>>378276283
I hope the remaster them all and release them on steam.

Make Star Ocean 2, but different.

That was the last good star ocean game.

>>378294862
They did, it's called the PSP release and it's horrible.

>Playing SO3.
>Get battle gauge to full.
>Before I can move out of my attack animation, get hit.
>Battle gauge broken.
Every single time. I don't think I've ever had it last more than 3 battles and I'm 20 hours in.

>>378295035
The problem there was they made the same game different. They need to make a new game that's just like 2 instead.

>>378295143
Dont get hit?

Also make sure the girl spams ENERGY BURST

>>378295228
Yeah sure I'll just hack in some extra invincibility frames mid-attack, thanks anon you're a genius.

>>378295218
The "Tales of" series is more your cup-ol-tea then. Given it stuck more in like with SO1/2 combat then evolving like 3 onward did.

>>378295035
What makes the PSP version horrible?

>>378295320
Nigger what? Tales combat is nothing like SO1 or 2. And never mind that Tales games always have terrible stories, casts, and shit gameplay in everything that isn't combat.

>>378295278
Just wait till Fyte can get super armor on everything, or you can play keep-a-way with a range/caster team. Honestly a lot of that stuff 10-50 hours in you can't make good use of, it's not till far later you can.

>>378295346
see
>>378287404

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>>378294681
The worst part is the game is barely over 25 hours long, so the extremely short story consists of a ton of """""cutscenes""""" where barely anything happens and the only way to be entertained is by having Fidel be a jackass and lay down looking under every girls' skirt during them. The only truly notable cutscenes that weren't awful like this were THE FUCKING ENDING SCENES OF THE GAME