Looking back, it wasn't that bad

It's my favorite game of 2015.

>>378257289
Great. Nobody cares.

>>378257289

the fanbase became cancer too fast

game is pretty decent imo

>>378257289
>it wasn't that bad
I thought it was pretty good overall.
Multi-layered playthroughs that change things, Self-aware that youre an outsider playing a game world through an avatar.
Awesome music, decent difficulty. And knew how to set a tone very well.

Had some shortcomings I wish would be ironed out and made better but we'll never get a patch or addon.

>>378258345
>the fanbase
Irrelevant.

>>378258569
>Irrelevant
To you. You do not speak for others.

>>378258748
>To you
To the game itself.
I played the game release week and I never had to deal with a shitty fandom while I played it. I enjoyed it in my isolated singleplayer Vaccuum and then I put it down and went about my life.

>>378258960
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>>378259043
For shooting down the point so hard they literally had nothing to reply with?
Gladly!

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>>378259214
You're not listening. Just because something is irrelevant to you does not mean it's irrelevant to other people. Your example explained how it's irrelevant to you, but that is irrelevant to the point that the fanbase is a major problem for others. You may not agree with that or understand why that is, but you're autistic if you think you're right just because you're willfully ignorant of the opinions of others.

>>378257289
What do you mean "it wasn't that bad"
Nobody actually thinks it was bad
The only people who claim it's bad are /v/ contrarians who haven't played it

>>378257289
It was never bad in the first place. The only argument /v/ had was "m-muh communtiy", and the game was single-player.

>>378259469
The original argument was that it wasn't really all that great and the fandom killed any discussion that was to be had about how it wasn't all that great.

>>378259391
You're just as autistic if you let what people on the internet say about a game change how the game as it was originally presented plays out. No amount of retarded fanart is going to change the nature of the developed game.

>>378257289
The comedy was great (but very repetitive and unskipable) and it found a way to make a turn based RPG much more involved by adding a mini bullet-hell game to the mix.

I enjoyed it and will be able to replay it every 5 or so years like I do with Earthbound.

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>>378259391
Well I am only me, I will only ever be me.
I don't care if it's relevant for other people or not.
But you can't say it's relevant to the product.

If the product you pay for and experience has been altered and warped by fandoms, I can understand that, but if you're trying to bring in the cancer the "Fanbase" created into discussion of the product's quality then thats ultimately irrelevant to the product.

>>378259626
If every time anyone discusses the genuine flaws with the game they are met with feverish, ignorant shitposting like the shit going on in this thread right now OF COURSE people aren't going to like the game. They don't want to be even remotely associated with cancerous people.

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Best game ever.

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>>378257289

it wasn't a bad game, however it has tons of issue that get ignored because "muh 4th wall breaking ludocommentary about games" like the fact that is short as fuck, the horrible graphics outside of combat, the minuscule amount of enemy variety that would make combat a complete chore if it wasn't for the fact that each zone is so small you barely get into 2-3 fight and how extremely annoying some character can get (alphys in particular)

and that's not okay at all

>>378259626
What you call reality is but a fever dream colored entirely by past experience. Fanbases ruin the experience of a game. Welcome to reality.

f___

>>378257289
It's one of those gems that you have to play right away or else your experience will be tainted by the flood of garbage that follows, ie the fanbase AND the hatebase.

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>>378260014
>Fanbases ruin the experience of a game
Maybe but a complete stranger can download Undertale and play it without interference from the fanbase and experience it just fine.

It hasn't been hampered by ponyfags or hatfags or LGBTQANAL+ communities. It's still the same game that released in September 2015.

The fanbase after it's release is ultimately irrelevant to the quality of the game.

>>378260003
outside of the shitty graphics, none of those are bad. It is a deliberately, perfectly paced short game with far more enemy variety than a game of its length usually has.

Its impact would be minimal if it was a full-blown 20+ hour RPG.

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>>378259794
>but if you're trying to bring in the cancer the "Fanbase" created into discussion of the product's quality then thats ultimately irrelevant to the product.

Not everyone possesses the ability to double-think and ignore half of what the game is just to enjoy the product as you say. Regardless of whatever you say, the fanbase is as much a part of the game as the game itself. Separating them at this point is impossible for anyone with a rational mind. You might believe it's a good game, but that's not going to convince anyone here that it's worth becoming associated with the human garbage that idolize it.

I don't like the game because it's childish and the gameplay is as rudimentary as it gets. I enjoy games with more depth. I don't give a shit about story or characters. This is not my first video game. The amount of people who like Undertale and the people who have never really played a video game before has a ton of overlap.

Might as well argue that MLP isn't all that bad. Doesn't change the fact that it's for kids and the fanbase turned it into a toxic cesspool that needed to be quarantined.

>>378260003
The shortness was part of the design because it plays right into the 4th wall shit and what can change with playthroughs

It's like hating Contra because you have to shoot shit

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HAHA!!

>>378260409
Did you realize that about 99% of people who breathe air are total idiots?

Guess we better stop breathing or else we'd be associated with such hogwash

>>378260637
Not trying to meme here, but that's really not an argument.

>>378260332
The game doesn't exist outside of observation. I don't think you understand what it means that there is no objective reality underpinning this shit. The game does not exist unless played and by playing it you have experience that colors how you perceive it. Statistically speaking you're more likely to find out about ti because of the community than out of the blue. We live in shared realities.

>>378260239
What the fucks wrong with his arm? Why are there so many bumps on it?

I'm aware the broad cut herself but his arm looks retarded

>>378260728
Vitamin deficiency.

>>378260409
I didn't bring other people into this.

>Not everyone possesses the ability to double-think and ignore half of what the game is
I literally said that the game has not been altered or warped by the fanbase. Its literally the same product that released years ago.

>Might as well argue that MLP isn't all that bad. Doesn't change the fact that it's for kids and the fanbase turned it into a toxic cesspool that needed to be quarantined.
I don't know shit about MLP but if the ponyfag fandom has warped the show in anyway, then I can understand if it's been "ruined by the fanbase", but otherwise, It's still the show that was made for kids as it always was, and you should look at it like that. Sure you'll probably come into contact with the side of people who want to fap to it, but otherwise, you'll be able to see a kids cartoon and nothing more.

>>378260721
I found out about the demo years ago from a friend before it even released and even saw the Goatmom threads all over /v/ pre-release.

Never hampered my experience.

I've been through the fandoms and seen the cancer, I still thought it was a good time.

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>>378260618
>beeing this triggered by a 3 year old game
barneyfag, get a job
(you)

>>378260409
>Might as well argue that MLP isn't all that bad

I mean it actually wasn't that bad when I caught a few episodes a few years ago. Not something I'd watch really but I didn't find it particularly offensive in any way.

>>378260901
>It's still the show that was made for kids as it always was, and you should look at it like that
Just like Undertale was made for kids who have never really played a video game before. That doesn't necessarily make it a bad game; but it does certainly make it a game that's not worth my time.

Flaws of Undertale:

1. Subjective meme humor.

2. Dialogue was often drawn out and can't be skipped, especially annoying with Alphys calls which were constant and didn't add anything to the actual story.

3. Several cliches in both characters and scenes, including multiple cliche endings.

4. Game does not explain some important things at all, like how most new players don't realize you can be a pure pacifist until after they've locked themselves out of the good ending. A smaller example: weapons change how you attack but there's no indication of how a weapon will attack or that attacks can even change.

5. The game tries to do a bit too much sometimes, it could have cut some elements completely and be better off for it.

6. The difficulty is really all over the place, especially in the bad route, even if that's intentional. Intentionally boring things will still be boring.

7. The game is so consistently subversive to the point where the unexpected "twists" become expected, for example you know the skeleton's pranks will just fizzle because they ALL fizzle. This one is redeemed with callbacks later on, but still to a new player this can be a flaw that ends up as a turn-off.

8. The art style really could be better for the overworld. Most stuff looks really good, but for some reason the MC looks ugly as shit.

Note that I really like Undertale and the things I like about it far outnumber the things I dislike, and the things I like are major things unlike the relatively minor flaws. The game has excellent gameplay for a single person's work, and the music is way too good for an indie game with a large soundtrack.

>>378261134
>Just like Undertale was made for kids who have never really played a video game before
[citation needed]
I'm pretty sure it was just made by a webcomic composer who liked Earthbound and Snes RPGs and wanted to make his own game.

And it can be not worth your time, Nothing wrong with that, It has lots of dumb shortcomings.

But it's fandom does not indicate its quality. It's still the same product that released September 2015.

>>378258345
>Caring about the fanbase in a off-line single player

>>378261031
That's the thing, you can parse your experience and be entertained by it, but it still drives how you perceive it. There is no fucking escape from this shit, which is what most people are unaware of. It's like when I forget that other people like their families and don't intuitively understand that going to a family gathering is fucking suffering and the horrible shit I say has a warranted purpose.

>>378260003
>like the fact that is short as fuck
It's made to be replayed multiple times, a blind player would need a minimum of 2 runs and generally 3+ runs to get the 2 "important" endings. For an indie game that you're replaying at least 1 time for the full experience, it has a pretty long length.

> the horrible graphics outside of combat

Somewhat fair, it's a mix between being ugly as fuck and great. The ugly parts are very ugly though.

>the minuscule amount of enemy variety that would make combat a complete chore if it wasn't for the fact that each zone is so small you barely get into 2-3 fight

Why even bother listing a flaw if you counter it yourself? The enemy variety is small because it didn't need to be larger, if it WAS larger you'd probably miss some of them in a normal playthrough. Add the fact that most enemies have various interactions through ACT, meaning you can have a different experience with the same enemy even as a pure pacifist.

>how extremely annoying some character can get (alphys in particular)

Completely fair, but subjective. Some faggots love alphys somehow.

>>378259626
/Thread

>>378261098
Faggot is still triggered by ponies and those are 6 years now.

>>378261354
>It's still the same product that released September 2015

Undertale didn't get its extreme popularity until november or something, right? Was there anything in particular that sparked the sudden influx of sales?

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>>378261354
>But it's fandom does not indicate its quality
We disagree on this fundamental concept. The type of people who enjoy a product speaks volumes about the product itself. Their tastes rarely coincide with my tastes, so when it's clear they enjoy something to THAT degree, the odds I would enjoy such a thing decline sharply. And as it turns out I don't enjoy Undertale.

You can say it's wrong to be prejudice against games before I've tried them, but I still do try them with an open mind. My prejudice against games enjoyed by cancerous fucks has never been inaccurate to date so I will continue to use it as a barometer for quality.

>>378261665
>Was there anything in particular that sparked the sudden influx of sales?
/v/, tumblr porn, homestuck fanbase.

>>378257289
Game had a interesting idea and managed to pull some concepts alright.

Unfortunately it did some of them wrong, some characters were eh or badly written, the morality of "killing is wrong, even to defend yourself" is stupid.

if I had the power of "determination", I would just kill the person who tried to save me or try to find out why then kill them.

It had

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>>378257289
I think they should have improved the boss encounters and removed random encounters. Almost every boss in the peace route turns into survive a certain number of turns. The bad route could have used more fights and removed the random encounter grind.

I think Undyne the Undying and Mettaton are examples of boss fights this game could use more of. Papyrus is an example of what I think is a bad fight as it is a long survive a certain number of turns.

>>378261739
>The type of people who enjoy a product speaks volumes about the product itself.

Not him but if I judged every product by the people who enjoy it I probably wouldn't enjoy anything except a few super niche autism simulators played by ~15 people

>>378257289
It wasn't that good. Everyone spoke of it so highly but I thought it was rather boring.

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>>378262014
You misunderstand. It doesn't stop me from trying a game; but it certainly stops me from paying for a game.

>>378262014
You should try it, it's the patrician choice.

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>>378257289
Was my GOTY 2015

Was a fun gift that never stopped giving especially with all the asspain and drama that continued for months after release. Glad it sold so well.

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>>378261739
And thats fine to keep an open mind about a product and the time it was released.

If you know a lot of people who enjoy shit you dont like enjoy something you don't think you will like, there is a chance you won't like it.

And thats perfectly reasonable. But I still don't see why one would deduct points or "belittle" a game's design/quality from a fanbase that spawned because of it.

When the game starts updating to cater to that demographic then I absolutely agree, but in Undertales case, it's still the same game. It's not been hampered by fans. Sans hasnt been changed to the blue-penis pedophilic gay skeletons that 80% of the fanbase love to paint him as, Hes still the same damn character in the game since its release, and no distortion from the fandom will alter it.

>>378262174
The game is the same but the perception and reception of the game is shaped by the community. Case in point: you. You're bending over backwards trying to make the game appear worthwhile. Who gives a shit?

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>Why even bother listing a flaw if you counter it yourself?

there is a lack of content is what i mean, think of a part of the game you enjoyed...

did you think that? i'm sure you were thinking of a boss fight, now we all like boss fight but the whole game might have been a just only boss rush and that's not okay because this game is supposed to be an rpg, it's supposed to have dungeon and equipment and town and shit like that, it feels like the random fight are there just to drag the 2 hour boss rush, to a 3 hour game

oh also i forgot to add to the list of flaw, doing shit like pushing snowballs and bouncing lasers is no fun at all and they too feels like they are there to drag the game to an acceptable lenght

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>>378260452
Congratulations,you're as cancerous as the fanbase you're trying to shit on.

>>378262348
Not even close.

>>378261739
You dont actually likes things. You like to talk about the thing with other people

>>378262091
Undertale actually had a free demo, which was neat I think.

>>378262280
>You're bending over backwards trying to make the game appear worthwhile
Never have I done this.
I have given my opinion of the game and admitted it's a flawed hunk of junk.
I thought it was enjoyable but that was it. I just don't understand why some skeletonfuckers should come into discussion about the quality of the product that released before those skeletonfuckers were skeletonfuckers.

Stop projecting your thoughts and read.

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>>378257289
>tumblr the game
maybe you deserve to be a fag OP

>>378262280
>You're bending over backwards trying to make the game appear worthwhile. Who gives a shit?

>REE STOP CALLING ME RETARDED FOR BEING RETARDED

i dont even like the game but you "wtf why cant i driveby shit on games" redditfaggots are what's killing this board

>>378262478
>I just don't understand why some skeletonfuckers should come into discussion about the quality of the product that released before those skeletonfuckers were skeletonfuckers.
If you don't understand something then why aren't you asking anyone questions?

Let me tell you why not. You're not trying to understand a single thing. You're trying to convince other people to think the way you do. You're doing everything you can to defend the game and not simultaneously turn yourself into a target. You outright refuse to acknowledge why the community affects the way the game is perceived by people. Even when it's being explicitly explained to you using rational logic you still vehemently insist that the way YOU enjoy the game is what everyone should do.

You may not even realize it but you are the reason people don't like the game. You are a part of the cancerous fanbase.

>>378262771
Your opinion doesn't mean anything if you can't take the time to read the thread.

I enjoyed the game and fandoms are universally shit.
That said, it wasn't terribly memorable: I would of forgotten it completely if not for the constant (You) gathering efforts of OP and his ilk.

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it got me some decent waifu material, that's for sure.

All in all, great concept, OK execution. Hard mode should have been available from the get-go

>>378260901
>I don't know shit about MLP but if the ponyfag fandom has warped the show in anyway, then I can understand if it's been "ruined by the fanbase", but otherwise, It's still the show that was made for kids as it always was
MLP has been warped. It has had entire episodes devoted to background characters specifically because that character was liked by the adult fans, and many background characters had their names changed when the fans started calling them by a fan name that wasn't the same as the name on the little blindbag toys.

>>378257289
I liked it but it's a little lacking in content and it's more of an ***experience*** than a game to play for fun.

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>>378263054
>MLP has been warped. It has had entire episodes devoted to background characters specifically because that character was liked by the adult fans, and many background characters had their names changed when the fans started calling them by a fan name that wasn't the same as the name on the little blindbag toys.

Not him but right as you are about pastel horses, none of that has happened to UT yet, far as i know. Closest thing I can think of to Toby pulling something like that is when he updated Papyrus' post genocide interruption dialogue to basically say he was mentally prepared to "blast you," meaning he too has Gaster Blasters like his brother, which I believe was initially a fan concept.

>>378261891
>the morality of "killing is wrong, even to defend yourself" is stupid
It doesn't have that mortality. You can kill many people, and as long as you don't kill literally everyone the "judgement" comes as "you were merely defending yourself, so I'll let you pass me".

What it has is a "if you're pure and friendly to everyone they'll help you" ending, which is separate from the "normal" ending nobody sees because they skip straight to the "pure good/pure evil" routes.

>>378262798
Ok, then tell me, How does the fanbase distort the quality of a game that has never changed or been updated since its release?

Has the terrible fanbase of FF7, Sonic 2, OOT, Halo changed the quality of their respective products?

I don't understand why this turned into a psychoanalysis of a random anon online but I've literally said it from the beginning. The fanbase is irrelevant to the GAME.

If you're going to look at a game critically on its own merits or as a product, the skeletonfuckers should not be taken as a factor .....UNLESS Tobyfox decides to update it to include a character for a skeletonfucker.

p.s yes I know about the terrible furry character in it and that is another flaw in the game, thank god its optional.

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>>378263321
spoiler

ugh
This is why Kickstarter games should never let backers import characters. Sure Muffet was fine, but she's more of an exception than the rule. Anyone remember that trainwreck of a kaiju fighting game?

>>378263268
I actually was thinking of that too, but then again, you could argue that fans kind of influenced the game with the kickstarter characters.

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>>378263321
>How does the fanbase distort the quality of a game that has never changed or been updated since its release?
It's a complete mystery to me how you can continually reply to this thread and not read the several examples and explanations for this question.

>Has the terrible fanbase of FF7, Sonic 2, OOT, Halo changed the quality of their respective products?
Strange examples, but yes. Albeit to diminished effect because those fanbases are not nearly as vocal or toxic.

>The fanbase is irrelevant to the GAME.
As I've stated many times, we disagree. You don't get that. I know. You don't really have to. You can continue to enjoy those games.

>If you're going to look at a game critically on its own merits or as a product
I did. As I've stated many times. I played the game. I judged it to be worthless. This did not surprise me given the taste of the fanbase.

>>378263501
Muffet's probably the only case I can think of off the top of my head where someone's donut steele actually ended up to a game's benefit.

Most of the time it does seem like a bad idea, at least Toby reserved enough creative control to bury that shit sixty feet down.

>>378261942
>I think they should have improved the boss encounters and removed random encounters
Would you suggest just having the enemies ALL be roadblocks like Napstablook was instead? Removing random encounters also fucks with re-encounters and the bad ending.

>Almost every boss in the peace route turns into survive a certain number of turns

Well yeah, at it's core the combat is a bullet hell game with an RPG shell. Surviving a certain length of time is par for the course. If you wanted it to be different you should play a regular RPG or a different genre, because "survive" is basically the only thing you do in bullet hell games without weapons for your "ship".

>The bad route could have used more fights and removed the random encounter grind.

You mean more boss fights? They could have added more, but that would require they give asspulls to more random characters, which really wasn't needed.

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>>378257289
It was an enjoyable short Touhou-y game.

Doesn't deserve a massive fanbase, doesn't deserve the shit it gets here. The OST is its best aspect.

>>378262321
>i'm sure you were thinking of a boss fight
Actually I was thinking of my favorite part of the game, the "metaton TV blitz with the return of the tile puzzle" scene. The game did a great job of making comedy "work".

>>378263767
>Would you suggest just having the enemies ALL be roadblocks like Napstablook was instead?

Not him but I thought about this. There are some """random""" encounters which are a little cheated and scripted for certain moments, so I don't think the system is impossible. The big hurdle would be the bad ending, maybe make it so if you kill the scripted encounters it would trigger the random encounters? Justify it as now that you've killed the other monsters are more guarded or something.

I do think something needed to be done about repetitive encounters in the pacifist route, regardless. It becomes a real drain in Waterfall and Hotland.

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>>378263703
>didn't know Muffet was an OC
>immediately knew butterfucker was an OC
People don't hate Buttercunt because it's an OC, and Muffet proves that.

Reminder the pacifist ending makes absolutely no sense because the monsters couldnt have possibly assimilated into human society as quickly as they did when throughout the game humans have done nothing but oppress and slaughter monsters outside of frisk

>>378263268
There's better ones though. The game was kickstarted, and the autistic "So Sorry" shit was a fanbase add-in. The Tsundereplane was also one, and there was some other shit like that too that was added because fans wanted it.

it was my GOTY in 2015 but I have a variety of problems with it. Coincidentally they all have to do with Alphys

Undertale is a game that only gets worse the more you think about it. Therefore, the people who enjoy it the most are the people who think the least.

>>378264067
Reminder that Frisk is literally the only human we see in the game outside of the ending, and we don't even have proof the humans outside even care about the monsters. For all you know it's a segregation thing where the monsters live outside in their OWN areas, or maybe it's just been so long that the humans literally forgot monsters were there and accepted them as "just a new thing".

>>378264195
That's no coincidence.

>>378264340
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>>378264547
Thats because I mean it unironically. There are many enjoyable pieces of media that punish you for thinking because it makes everything fall apart.
>>378264474
There was Chara, who was completely evil against monsters. There were the people who killed Asriel, who were also humans. Finally, there was the lore strewn about the cavern that explicitly states how evil humans have treated monsters. The idea that humans would be kind to monsters was literally only pulled out of toriels ass and she ended up being right despite logically making zero sense, she made an improbable guess, everyone kissed her feet for it and asgore was like "yeah you know youre right" and then happy ending that makes no sense.

Remember the threads on /v/ when this game came out where it had basically universal acclaim?
/v/ just hates it because it got popular.

>>378257289
Game is fine nigger.
The fans are a crazy bunch however.

>>378267797
/v/ hated this game from day one. You can't rewrite history, sperg.

>>378264871
>There was Chara, who was completely evil against monsters
Not a human, a ghost. Dead people aren't humans anon.

>There were the people who killed Asriel, who were also humans.

We never see them, they are in the backstory and might as well not exist because we have no idea how long ago that happened and they might all be dead. That event could have been hundreds of years ago, we have no clue how long monsters actually live.

>Finally, there was the lore strewn about the cavern that explicitly states how evil humans have treated monsters

Again, you're failing to comprehend a major thing: the past is not the present. By your logic germans must be all evil because Nazis existed in the past. No fucking shit the villains in the story were evil, that doesn't mean humans as a concept are evil.

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undertale is unironically the best rpg to come out in the last 15 years. it's fucking phenomenal.

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remind me chara was evil again? the monsters all tried to kill frisk, the genocide route is only rationale self defense

>>378261191
>Dialogue was often drawn out and can't be skipped
>can't be skipped

all dialogue was skippable. you might be retarded.

>>378268189
why is that boy wearing a tutu?

>>378268681
chara is a girl bro

>>378268808
you can't prove that.

>>378268842
they refer to her and frisk (interchangeable since frisk IS chara during genocide) with traditionally female pronouns during the game

take the music out and it's a 4/10 at best.
with the music it's like a 7.

>>378263649
>The sky is blue
>I disagree I think its red
Literally you right now

>>378268918
like what?

>>378267797
>/v/ just hates it because it got popular.
And then liked it because hating it become popular

>>378268918
no they don't.

I hated the game. Only thing I liked was killing everyone in genocide.

>>378269029
>>378269039
"go get 'em gorgeous" - mettaton

when the fuck do you ever call a guy "gorgeous" in that sense

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>>378267797
This
>>378267996
>t. dumbass who wasn't in the demo threads.

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>>378269140
Mettaton's just a fruit like that

He's the exhibit B to Tim Curry's exhibit A

>>378269140
People of that personality type call men gorgeous all the time

>>378269145
The game had universal acclaim because people didnt have enough time to let it age.

I dont think undertale is the worst thing ever like shitposters do but undertales greatest strength is that it has a god-tier presentation, but as you consider parts of the game over time you realize that the initial experience is the only good part

Plus, it received universal acclaim because people were trolling about all the hidden routes and things the game does to the conputer. Remember that one guy who said he foubd a picture of flowey in his porn folder judging him? The never happened.

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>>378269256
this much fucking denial, wtf...

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>>378269140
>>378269140
when you're a faggot superstar robot like mettaton? Did you miss EVERYTHING about mettaton or something?

>>378267996
You know how I can tell how you're new? Because it was so fucking aggravating to see an Undertale thread as the first fucking thread for a straight two months full of people praising the game.

It really was quite alright.

But dear god, I don't know which is worse: the people who absolutely love it or adamantly hate it.

>>378269416
Youre the one trying to push an ambiguous self-insert protag as a girl with zero substancial evidence

>>378269414
i don't think that the "meta" part of the game adds anything to it. i think that the strength of the game comes from the absolutely stellar writing and the way that large parts of the narrative are locked behind separate runs, but if you only do 1 type of run you still get a "good story," it's very well designed. you don't even learn about chara ever unless you do genocide

>>378265798
OH FUCK MY DICK
THAT BODY
THOSE TITTIES

SOURCE? GOOGLE IMAG BEIN A SHIT

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>>378269414
Oh I certainly don;t deny that. It's a one hit wonder for sure. I just agree more with >>378269547 this guy's points.

but to each their own.

>>378269140
>he's never been hit on by a faggot

wow dude, are you a gay or something?

>>378268469
You can skip through it, but for example when Alphys calls you every 10 seconds you have to wait for the call, skip through it, and then get back to the game.

>>378257289
The game had to many baby jokes and bone puns for me. I dropped it pretty quickly.

>>378269543
what about sans calling you a lady when you don't laugh at his joke in the genocide route

>lol I hate FI XD she holds your hand
>all other Zelda partners don't LEL XD I love to fit in XD

>>378259803
>>378260014
And this is exactly why you should not be involved in any case with the fanbase.
The game is not changed a bit since release. No updates whatsoever so it's the perfect example that what is clearly born after the release shouldn't affect your opinion on the game.
If it does then you're too easily manipulated to the point of not having a personal opinion.

>>378269543
>>378269769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-tAQHP_zCU
40:36

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>>378269631
Wish I had one, bruv

>>378269547
>absolutely stellar writing
No, the writing was one of its weakest aspects. Its filled with inconsistencies, poorly written characters, shallow characters, and all sorts of cliche. The games strengths come from the satisfying and well-paced sound direction, not much else aside from gameplay and art design.

I wasnt saying the meta aspect is good, I was saying that was one of the parts people initially heavily praised despite being scarcely used.

Also, the seperate runs thing isnt very much of a plus as Pacifism is more "neutral + large story chunks and new area and final boss" while genocide is an empty, pointless, grindy piece of shit whos only redeeming factor is the tone and the final boss. You cant even do pacifism on your first playthrough, youre forced to get the neutral ending before you can unlock it.

The game had plenty of good and unique ideas but they were very poorly executed for anyone looking for something substancial. As an experience Undertale is enjoyable due to creative gameplay mechanics and game-carrying sound design. But in every other facet, undertale is awful.

>>378269982
NO JOKE
I WOULD FONDLE AND RAVAGE THE FUCK OUT OF THAT BODY (>>378265798)

I FINALLY FOUND THE PERFECT BODY TYPE. now to find matching 3DPD

>>378257289
It was never bad.
/v/ couldn't stop sucking it's dick when it first came out. When it became popular is when /v/ turned on it.

>>378270249
Too bad she deserves to suffer but gets with best girl despite that

>>378270390
I have a thing for utterly pathetic virgin dork girls and they don't come more pathetic virgin than her

>>378270039
i don't see how you can say the writing is bad when it was as witty as it was, but ok

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>>378270390
>deserves to suffer
Why does everyone give her shit when she ended up facing the music and answering for her mistakes to the families?
>>378270461
Oh, I can assure you she ain't a virgin no more.

>>378270561
The good thing about UT is that the reset button is canon, and also Alphys is bisexual

Therefore I can fuck Alphys before she gets together with Undyne

THIS IS SIMPLE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

>>378259391
You seem like the kind of faggot who gets mad about skins in a video G A M E.

>>378260239
not gonna lie, the ink on the left would be sick with a different quote and color

>>378269951
I think he's referring to Toriel, that's what the 'pick 'em' is about (Because Toriel always finds kids in the caves and shit). Might be wrong tho. If he's talking about your character that sentence doesn't really make sense.

>>378270781
he's talking about when toriel told him to protect the next human that comes through

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>>378270698
I wish you luck

>>378264157
"So sorry" was the add in of an autistic furry who shelled out a ton of neetbux for the game. Toby wanted to take it out and offered a refund, but the furry said no, so Toby made the fursona nigh impossible to encounter on a normal play through. You should have seen the furry's breakdown once people figured out the character was used in fetishes like diapers and insulted the furry. Fucking hilarious

>>378270561
>Why does everyone give her shit when she ended up facing the music and answering for her mistakes to the families?
All her tweet bullshit in hotland get old very fast andin the end nobody give a fuck about her hiding the melted zombies for so long so its felt pretty cheap

>>378270503
Because unlike you, I have actually played more than 10 story-driven games in my life and also read novels outside of ones required for school, so I can pick up on derivitive and poor writing out of experience. Not trying to belittle you, we're all different after all, but I have more credibility to say that the only pros the writing has is the humor, but even then the humor is carried by the phenominal sound direction.

By the way, most people tend to contribute things that Undertales sound direction did to things like writing, gameplay, or art. Those people are incorrect and just dont understand the importance of good sound design so they dont know that what theyre praising as satisfying or fun isnt just pleasing to the ears and by extension soul

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>>378271334
>All her tweet bullshit
Ah that.
Well I can sort of understand you better, but whatever

>>378270561
She took accountability of her actions only when she was caught. Telling the truth after youve been caught lying doesnt mean you are actually owning up to it, especially since she didnt do anything to make up for it

Also, despite turning people into suffering atrocities, she still felt like she deserved to be with undyne enough to accept her relationship. That showed how little remorse she actually had

>>378271996
>She took accountability of her actions only when she was caught

Not caught. She saw you and was reminded of what you taught her during the date. She felt horrible remorse, as she tells you she was tempted to "do something cowardly." You taught her what she needed to learn, and your little excursion through the lab kind of woke her up out of her self- pity party.

>>378257289
it was smt for babies.

>>378271687
I dont hate her, the date with alphys must be my favorite comedic moment in the game but i can understand why people dont like her.
Her character arc was pretty much about admiting you fucked up and facing consequences with the power of friendship but in the end nobody was even mad about the amalgamates

>>378257289
It was actually the best game of all time, dethroning Ocarina of Time. Did you not see the competition?

>>378269535
The ones that hate it. By far.

>>378272993
why the FUCK did you like the alphys date? it was so fucking boring

>>378259391
The fanbase is irrelevant to a video game. This isn't just, my opinion man. This is fact. That you think otherwise immediately tells me to disregard anything you say as retarded, fuck off.

>>378257289
It was perfectly fine game, then it blew the fuck up after being popular here so now most of /v/ shits on it because it's cool to dislike popular things.

>>378272816
>not when she was caught but when she was caught
K

>>378273441
In 5 years when the hype has dissolved /v/ will love this game.

>>378273404
Are going to the mell you dint laugh at alphys having a panic attack during the roleplay segment?

>>378273574
Caught would imply you found her.
She found you, and in the process of saving you from spoopy amalgamates, she began to remember what you taught her.

>>378273581
Oh man! I'm feeling all HOT and BOTHERED!

>>378273779
the roleplay section was good, but the tweeting part was way funnier imo

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>>378273581
dem teeth

It wasn't that good either; I had fun though.

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>>378274093
>teeth

>>378271484
>>>/lit/

MMKC2 wasn't that bad

>>378274249
Megaman man kombat cars 2?

>>378271484
reading books doesn't make you well-read, as per your shit tier opinion regarding undertale's writing. i would put it right up there with dostoevsky, gogol, tolstoy, nabokov, all three of the bronte sisters, and even jane austen

>>378274528
>kombat
Where's my plastic man dlc Boon?

>>378263601
>No puns aloud
Is this a very clever joke?

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>>378275187
For sure.

>>378274696
Are you going to stirner-post next, you il/lit/erate?

>>378263268
>>378264157
>That time time an autistic furry faggot paid 1000 dollars to get his furry fetish fatvore fursona character in the game

>>378271484
Coasting on credentials instead of providing legitimate criticism is a very academic thing to do, but it's still bad rhetoric.

Undertale has good writing for a video game. There are numerous instance of foreshadowing; ambiguity that becomes clearer on subsequent playthroughs, acceptable humour (as you pointed out); numerous different characterizations to create a varied cast; and no glaring plotholes or inconsistencies.

Many of the characters are somewhat flat but that isn't necessarily bad writing so much as an authorial decision. Particularly since the expectations of characters in a short video game compared to Proust are pretty different. The characters that are supposed to develop/have an arc do develop and have an arc, while one note joke characters remain one note joke characters.

If you think that cliches are by definition bad you're retarded. Cliches are often just literary tropes or archetypal story elements. It's the execution of these cliches that determines whether something is well written or not.

tl;dr, you're a faggot and I highly doubt you're as well read as you're trying to claim.

>>378260239
>>378260452

>Stupid people exist

wtf I hate Undertale now

>>378275698
fuck off, i hate discussing books because reading books is like masturbation, it's best enjoyed alone or with someone very close to you. as a result, i would never go to lit

>>378275916
Knowing how popular Undertale got I'd have paid $1000 to get a character in it.

>>378276626
Why's that? It's not like he (the backer) got anything out of the popularity besides a world full of scorn.

>>378268189
It's not self defence if you're actively looking for shit to kill

>>378269038
And the pendulum swings once again

>>378276865
That backer picked some autism filled fetish character that he used for porn shit first. I'd design a new decent character, it would hopefully be on display like Muffet instead of hidden as an easter egg. I wouldn't go around announcing it to people, either, I'd just make the character and be happy shitposting in /v/ threads knowing I'm responsible for the character.

Either that, or I'd submit Sonichu.

>>378271484
Minecraft joke books don't count as novels, anon.

>>378277697
They arent, but undertales writing is on par with them.

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>>378260452
But that shirt is fine.
Your fat faggot ass would squeal for joy if you saw a Solaire/PRAISE LE SUN XD shirt.

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>>378277659
>Make a decent character
>Game gets popular
>Tons of fanart of that character for free
That's the dream.

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I love how Undertale threads contain a 100% chance of triggered /v/fats.

>>378278538
>Pay $1k to get fanart for free

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>>378279537
What did Muffet's creator pay?

>>378278562
I love how you can't articulate yourself on this board without some furshit to crawl out of the woodwork for

>>378279630
Aah yeah, good question, I was still thinking of 'so sorry'

>>378279630
About $500. So she payed less than So Sorry's creator and made something ten times better.

>>378279537
To be fair if someone had commissioned every single muffet fanart it would FAR exceed $1,000

>>378279537
$1k for hundreds if not thousands of pieces of fanart on top of getting your character into a game with constant discussion is a deal.

Hell, just draw your dream girl monster character. I would probably end up drawing something similar to Demencia but THICC and with a more symmetrical design.

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>>378279779
So not "for free" then, I guess.
Still, each new piece of fanart doesn't accrue any additional cost.

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I like the game a lot, but I feel the meme love for it is really heavily based on it toying with your expectations and whether or not you buy into the tone. It's pretty easily to see why people who play it under different circumstances for different reasons might not like it.