Holy fuck this was terrible?

>>378217895
That isn't a question anon.

No.

The fuck are you asking

>>378217895
If Dishonored is 7,5/10 in my book, how is Dishonored 2?

>>378217959
well it is and the answer is
>>378217964

I want to ____ Emily.

>>378218053
No. "Was this terrible?" is a question. That is a statement followed by a question mark.

>>378217895
I'd give it a resounding 'meh'
Couldn't decide whether it wanted to be a real stealth game or some Bioshock style shit. Either way you have unlimited wallhack and teleport abilities. Awful design decision.

>>378218046
2 is better in every way but story. Level design is great.

Do a no powers/kill run first if you aren't a casual shitter

>>378217964
How can you defend this, I picked up the definitive edition, the game is about 4 hours long and has zero depth. The only way you could take longer is if you believed you had to sneak around more than you did.

Shit game.

>>378218046
It's still 7.5

>>378217895
7 hours in and I was still waiting for an explanation about why people liked that piece of shit

LIterally 2010 tier combat system, swing sword around, enemies drop. It was so fucking boring.

>>378218046
Depends what you like about the 1st game. You have far more powers and tools this time around and stealth is harder. But the story is rehashed and many have issues running it.

>>378217895
I enjoyed it, got a few playthroughs out of it on xbox 360 . It was free though, probs wouldn't pay for it. Dishonored 2 was hot casual trash, glad I borrowed that one.

>>378218152
>play the game without the magical powers that differentiates it from Ubishit with nicer levels
wew lad

Is hating on Arkane the cool, new hip thing the kids are doing or something?

>>378218136
nah you just shouldnt play it as your classic hide and seek game. its nothing like thief. games fun scales pretty much with the players creativity while not being as limited as bioshock.
people just constantly falling for the muh bad ending meme if you go and have fun with killing people in the game

>>378218163
Length is not a sign of a games quality to be fair.
Some of the best classics are around 4-5 hours.

>>378218220
>2010 tier ccombat system
>game came out in 2012
Ok?

>>378218390
Not him, but which ones?

>>378218347
Not to mention the "bad edging" is the more interesting ending.

>DUDE IF U PLAY THE GAME WITHOUT THE POWERS ITS THE BEST STEALTH GAME EVA HONEST BRAH

after a century the thief series still hasn't been topped, I rather play deadly shadows than this shit.

They knew what they are doing when they made Stephen Russell voiced the protag in 2, they knew they will always be inferior to the true king.

>>378218347
Yeah I've been playing the second one lately and I get the feeling I'd be having much more fun if I got to let loose, but I feel like a fucking idiot if I play loud in stealth games.

Nah, it was fun.

>>378218481
For first person stealth western game thief is the top one, but MGS5 has the best stealth gameplay out there.

>>378218583
Jesus Christ.

>most of your abilities are lethal
>but you get a bad ending if you kill too much
>therefore you should play stealth with only a few abilities
>except you get unlimited teleport
They really didn't think this through did they

>>378218583
Are you serious? MGSV has severe problems with level design and mission variety.
The best stealth framework is a better choice of words, but they don't do much with it.

>>378218525
>but I feel like a fucking idiot if I play loud in stealth games.

if you play the game without restrains you can literally blink around the entire level and kill everyone on the map with your enemies doing minimal damage to you, which made the point of sneaking around pretty fucking stupid and pointless.

But apparently leplaywithoutnopwers meme make this shit acceptable at all.

>>378218624
There's literally no debate about this, the gameplay of mgs5 is perfect.

>>378218270
Because Bethesda and "why Arkane make these casual garbage instead of muh Dark Messiah 2??"

>>378218220
>swing sword around, enemies drop
Yes, that's how swords work.

>>378217895

you can tell a game is shit when the only way to reach the good ending is by using non-lethal stuff and 95% of the stuff you unlock are death tools

Also it was shallow as fuck, no idea why so many people consider this great. It was below average on pretty much every level except controls, those are decent.

>>378218583
>MGS5 has the best stealth gameplay out there.
not when the level design was ruined by open world.

Are you asking us or making a statement?

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>>378218660
>bad ending

>>378218450
Call of Duty 4

>constant tutorial pop ups reminding you to spend your skill points on new abilities
>none of the new abilities mesh with your non-lethal stealth playstyle
>these pop ups are in prey as well

>>378218785
It's still the best one. I don't think you know this but there's not a lot of AAA stealth games.

>>378218450
Max Payne, Jedi Knight games, Monkey Island and a fuckload of other point and click games, Doom, Quake, F.E.AR, though I guess that's not exactly a classic, think I've finished MGS1 and HL1 under that time as well once or twice but I haven't really got a personal time for those.

>>378218583
More like the easiest one out there.
MGS2 and 3 surpasses is since they are far more tight and you can't just cheese everything with buddies, overpowered gear(well, more overpowered gear than usual) and reflex shit.

Uhm hey /v/ can we really have this opinion?
What do *we* think about this, fellow /v/-frequenters?
Tell us! we just played this game and I really need to ask us if we enjoyed our game or not!

I've seen a bunch of threads about Dishonored hate popping up recently

Apparently someone is really assblasted for no apparent reason

>>378218660
Learn the difference between bad ending and alternate ending.

>if it doesn't have sunshine and rainbows like my favorite MLP it's a bad ending

>>378218962
>FEAR
>4-5 hours

>>378219132
I hated it since I discovered it runs on vision based stealth and the news about Arkane dumbing down the game for the absolute retards.

>>378218770
>why Arkane make these casual garbage instead of muh Dark Messiah 2
Because it didn't sell that well and Ubisoft decides if there should be a sequel?

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>>378219191
That's what I clocked in on. And I wasn't rushing or anything, just playing normally.

>>378219132
babbys first schadenfreude over prey bombing, wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing arx fatalis and might and magic hate threads in the future

>>378219224
You might be onto something here, boyo

>>378219165
>plague isn't cured and country falls into ruin
>not a bad ending
okay retard

>>378219383
mine said 15 hours but I replayed that game at least 3 times, so maybe it feels much longer than it actually is, in a good way.

What's with the Arkane hate lately?

>>378219098
Dude, if ur playing MGSV with reflex and anything but the horse, ur doing it wrong.

Its total bullshit that they even entertained the idea of reflex or having the stupid dog mark everything for you.

>>378219420
What's worse is that Prey is a fine game albeit not a great one, just like Dishonored

>>378219454
They don't say anything about what happened with the country I don't think.

>>378219703
>ur

this is the current state of /v/

Did 2 eventually get its performance issues fixed? Avoided it at release after hearing even 1070s were having trouble with it.

>>378218481
>>378218583
It's not a stealth game, idiots, it's a "play however you want game"
And yes Arkane designed the game so it could be completed without powers.

>>378219703
>Dude, if ur playing MGSV with reflex and anything but the horse, ur doing it wrong.
I S ranked about 90% of all the missions on my first try without ever using them. Can't even imagine how pointlessly easy it must have been for the people who played with that stuff.

>>378218890
mgs is stealth action hence why more than 90% of the weapons in the game are straight up lethal

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>>378217895
I think it has a lot of good elements, but I ruined it for myself for trying to go pacifist run, after all the loading screens told me that most of my powers and equipment would lead to a worse ending.

>>378218770
But Dishonored literally is Dark Messiah: The Plainly Better Edition.

I mean lets get this out of the way first, Dishonored isn't as pleasant to look at and doesn't have enough cute girls, or a final boss, but the gameplay is absolutely superior in every way. On the head on combat front it's no longer a straight up kickman simulator, instead it's about timing blocks, being a good shot, and acquiring enough fucking gold to buy ammunition.
On the magic front it's not just 12 different attack the dude spells and the ice puddle, you can do all kinds of silly shit that trivializes the game just like in DM.
On the stealth front it's better in literally every way, but the 2 greatest improvements are auto-prone when crouching under really low objects, and being able to just blink into backstabs in a chain instead of spending half your damn life creeping up on people.
And with the tiniest bit of creativity you can mix all this shit together or not acquire certain things as you please to either completely break the game, or to put yourself at a significant disadvantage so that the game is actually hard rather than just a few good hours of laughs.
If there's any problem with Dishonored it's that it simultaneously does its best to appeal to casuals and non-casuals, so non-casuals have to do some guesswork and research to get what they want out of the game. I mean just think about this: You know where every damn rune in the game is because you used the heart, right? What if you just didn't use the heart and actually tried exploring instead? Some of those runes are REALLY well hidden, you would have a hard fucking time actually upgrading your powers, and if you didn't pick the right ones you would have one hell of a hard game on your hands considering that there's a very thin line in this game between being underequipped and being overequipped.

>>378219703
reminder that if you play pacman with your eyes open you're doing it wrong

>>378220075
>Dark Messiah: The Plainly Better Edition.
NO
KICK
BUTTON

exploration in modern games is too obfuscated by clutter environments and ill-defined level boundaries

>>378220075
Your rant is useless againts these DM idiots because their entire argument is there is no kick button

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>>378218163
>4 hours long

>>378217895
It looks fun once you git gud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrwRwKXOdVQ

>>378220075
Dark Messiah is the better action game, Dishonored is the better stealth game.

>>378220564
>using blink
>"haha git gud"

>>378220462
>I've replayed the game 400 times so that means it's long!

>>378218660
>an ending that reflects the consequences of my actions
>there is a plague carried by rats, and the more dead bodies there are, the more rats there will be
>hurrr durrr bad ending
Why are people making this fucktarded argument that has no fucking basis 5 years later?

>>378220680
>rat plague isn't bad
t. pozzed bug chaser faggot

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>>378219420
>might and magic hate threads in the future
Speak of the devil.

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pls crack the sequel, cpy

>>378220680
Yeah people make it out to be some fucking gotcha moment when it's a completely logical consequence of your actions, and you see the chaos system in effect all throughout the game so thinking it wouldn't play into the ending as well is just foolish.

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>>378220860
>all the Skyrim games

>>378220860
thats some quality bait right there

I liked it
the stories behind the rune shit, the visitor guy, witches, whalers, and the whale oil victorian setting had a lot of potential

looking to pick up the second one when its discount bin

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>>378220564
>3:50

T E C H N O L O G Y

>>378221085
It's 18 Bongbux on the Humble store right now, I'm, waiting to see if they do a GOTY version after how good 1's DLC was but that might be worth it if you're wanting it now.

>>378221160
I wonder if death by startling ends a no-kills run.

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At least it's more enjoyable than Prey

>>378218660
>most of your abilities are lethal
You have ten different abilities. Six of those were pure utility, three were all about killing and one can be both depending on how you use it.

>>378218046
Much better in my opinion, unless you're a "muh story" shitter. The gameplay is improved and the level design is incredible.

>>378218056
I want to hug Emily.

>>378220670
What I mean to say is that if you're rushing through the game, not reading notes and books, not listening to conversations, exploring, sneaking, doing sidequests, any game will be short.

>>378221503
When you say incredible level design do you mean "the levels look interesting" or "they are well made from a gameplay perspective"?

>>378221369
ahahahaha holy shit that looks fucking terrible

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>>378221769
t. Preytard

>>378221680
They are well made from a gameplay perspective. They also look interesting so that's a bonus.

>>378221869
>Actually letting an enemy land a kick on you
Who's the casual depicted here? Is it some streaming girl?

I just got to the clock mansion in 2, having to announce my presence to the target and fight robots totally killed my drive for this game

why am I screwed because I chose not to have powers

>>378221869
Why would someone who likes Prey be against Dishonored?

Both are by the same dev, both are sort of failures, both play a bit similar.

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>>378222028
>>378222065
Harvey. Prey failed. It's over.

How many stealth tools did Deus Ex have again? People shit on DH for things that are just like in DX, but the difference is, Dishonored has the better AI.

>>378220564
>It looks fun once you activate cheat engine to give you infinite magic

Who's Harvey?

>>378222373
But you can hear him drink potions all the time.

This was literally "OK: The Game".

Felt like a combination of other games like Half-Life, Bioshock, etc;.

It has more praise than it deserves on this board.

I expected a decent game, but played for an hour and hated every second of it. When I had to savescum in the first area just to use stealth effectively I was like "yeah fuck this game".

I've considered giving it another try though because Bethesda.

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I loved Dishonored, it was a lot of fun to fuck around the levels with blink and time stop. I liked that I could easily get killed if I wasn't careful due to the decent damage output dished out by the enemies.

What's your favorite level /v/? Lady Boyle's party was top tier for me, and one of those last levels, can't remember which one, where I leapt from the top of a castle on top of a Tall Boy to execute it was great as well. As good as Dishonored 2 was (performance shit aside), I liked the level design and execution targets in the first one more.

>>378218152
>better in every way but story
The story must be pretty fuckin' terrible then, because the first one had one of the lamest storylines ever.

>>378222505
>It looks fun once you activate cheat engine to get infinite potions.

>>378222843
>When I had to savescum in the first area just to use stealth effectively I was like "yeah fuck this game".
>had to
How about you learn to fucking play better?

>because Bethesda
This game has absolutely nothing to do with Bethesda or Elder Scrolls in any way imaginable. It was developed by Arkane Studios.

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>>378222356
If we're talking about the original Deus Ex then not many. You've got environmental objects which can be used to hide behind or throw for a distraction. Though you can actually move the object and the AI still won't detect you.

Then you've got a couple of weapons which can be silenced for stealth kills, a tranquilizer crossbow which actually tranquilizes so slowly the enemy can raise the alarm easily and some incapacitation like the fire extinguisher and pepper spray. The real stealth weapons are the riot prod and baton.

Other then that you've got the cloaking augmentation which completely breaks stealth and run silent which is a little more interesting.

I've also noticed the AI actually detects you based on whether you're crouched or standing. If you're standing they can detect at a greater range but the game is so broken you can simply crouch if an enemy just noticed you and it's entirely possible that the max range of detection which has effectively decreased by you crouching resets their detection status even though they can clearly see you. Light has no effect on stealth either, you can actually shine a fucking flashlight in their face and they can't detect you. On that note the AI can't detect dead bodies or blood trails either but for some REALLY strange reason they have actually coded correctly for unconscious bodies so the AI does go on alert if they say one.

Stealth detection is a two strikes you're out thing. If they detect you they'll attack and do their best to follow you / raise the alarm. As long as you hide for sufficient time they go back to their business as if nothing happened even if the alarm is still going.

So yes. The AI is not particularly good.

>>378223003
But the game showers you with potions.

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>>378218525
I found that the moment I stopped reloading like an autist at every fuck up, I enjoyed the game much more. The different elements play with each other very well, and if you just stop giving a shit you have a great time.

For example, I remember being seen by a guard, and I ran off to a place I had yet to explore. I noticed some gang members and I tried to hide. I was about to get fucked in between them, but my not so good hiding spot was still good enough to make me a secondary target when the guards and the gang members met each other. They started to kill each other, giving me a good chance to escape and find a new route. This was not scripted at all, it was me fucking up. And that's just one of the many little things that can be mixed in the game, and they happen when I stop reloading and go full iron man.

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>>378217895
Not as bad as this

>>378223142
Oh yeah and I forgot to add as this webm demonstrates AI reacts to sound but the catch is it ONLY reacts to latest sound and it will take approximately 2 seconds for it to update.

What this means is you can do stupid shit like jump behind the AI and make as much noise as humanly possible but if you just shuffle to the side after making the noise it fails to detect you.

Dishonored is not terrible, but not great either. I get the impression they never did commit to something fully. Stealth doesn't make use of different lighting, or surfaces making different sounds, like stepping over broken glass making more noise or so.

The combat based around timed blocks is just so simplistic and bad, it feels like Bethesda combat, and I don't mean that as a compliment.

So they didn't go all the way with stealth, that feels basic and same goes for combat. Dishonored has some good level design but my praise for it stops right there. Combat, stealth, characters, stoty and art style were all mediocre.

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>>378223142
And it hasn't improved much in the latest game

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>>378223516
> I get the impression they never did commit to something fully. Stealth doesn't make use of different lighting, or surfaces making different sounds, like stepping over broken glass making more noise or so.

Holy shit this.

I don't get why they went out of their way to give you magical powers and then do fuck all with them. Why not a "throw sound" spell? Why not a "darken" spell? Maybe a hologram doppelganger? Shit give me something.

>>378224660
I don't understand this complaint. Other than the doppleganger spell, the other 2 things you can already achieve in-game by throwing items or by fucking up energy generators. I do wish the stealth had a bit more depth, but your post is kind of stupid in a game where you can posses enemies and animals, summon rats, stop time, and teleport. The magic is there, it's extremely useful and powerful, and plays an important role in the lore and level design. How is that doing "fuck all with them"?

>>378224660
They did improve on that front on DH2, and in that game, you get two characters to play as, but they later added a NG+ where you can play as one with the power of the others. And one of the various new powers they added is a doppelganger, and they also let you upgrade the powers from DH1 as well.

>>378222356
Perhaps because Deus Ex is a far better game than Dishonored, also has RPG elements that Dishonored lacks, bigger weapon variety, including multiple melee weapons, multiple ways to open doors, and many other things done better than Dishonored like the story/setting and art style. The game gave you tons of tools to do shit with, while Dishonored feels like a modernized game. i'll also argue that Deus Ex's combat is better than Dishonored, the parry instakill cinematic shit isn't good, and then you have the much smaller variety of weapons and tools at your disposal.

Humans look like monkeys in Dishonored with huge hands and tiny heads, and overall Dishonored is quite forgettable when it comes to characters and world, there's no charm to it.

>>378217895
Daud's DLC was a lot better IMO. Still liked the base game.

>>378222052
Can't you just dive through the machinery whole the room is changing? I think you can slip in even without powers

>>378225304
Not him but a common complaint about Dishonored is that powers were heavily skewed in favor of lethal approach.

>>378228172
They did listen to that and improved it in Dishonored 2 though. Hell, you can even do non-lethal drop "assassinations".

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>>378228290
but then the game runs like garbo on everything

>>378228408
Making the game in idTech5 was one of the dumbest decision ever. The first one ran perfectly with Unreal, I heard Bethesda forced them to use idTech to save some money.

It ran well for me, but I know most people had problems with it and probably impacted the sales.

>>378228687
Also idTech 5 makes modding impossible or so.

Carmack should shove a megatextured rocket wearing a rift up his asshole

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>>378218962
>MGS 1-4
>RE1-6
all under 4 hours

>>378217895
Thos game is a GOAT game you are just a shallow faggot, the depth of this game is in it's gameplay, approach and level desighn, not how quick you can ruch through the story.
it has infinite replayability.
i can complete the game in less than an hour if I just blink everywhere and get to the objectives,

It is inspired and made by thief devs.

watch this you dumb faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf3PAK9tsmc

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>Telltale game
WAAAHHH why do the choices mean nothing?!

>Dishonored
WAAAHHH why do the choices mean something?!

Ending babies are the worst, its a fucking ending, I went full edge in my first play through, and who gives a fuck, its fun.

>>378229163
The problem I have that moral choices are more than just 2, "murder or save" is simplified dogshit. Either fully commit to a morality system or don't do it at all.

How's Prey? I love the Dishonored games but I haven't gotten around to playing Prey yet.

>>378229491
It's pretty similar to Dishonored, but naturally it has a more tense atmosphere, it's set on a space station that you can explore to your leisure, provided you find keycards and passwords. Being an immersive sim, there's several ways to play and to overcome the obstacles you're presented with. It's essentially Arkane's version of System Shock 2, although it was SS1 the one set on a space station.

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>>378218220
>LIterally 2010 tier combat system, swing sword around, enemies drop

>>378229491
it has the quality of level design like dishonored and the people have a similar artstyle but it's a completely different game.
Very good imo, reminiscent of the classic single player fps games of years gone by, deus ex, system shock.
a lot of /v/irgins on here dislike it mainly because they are underage faggots who want cowadoody shooting.

One of the best games of the year so far.

>>378229708
>>378229943
I'm not a big fan of space settings, but if you have the same freedom of choice in how you approach things and good level design like in Dishonored, I'm gonna get it drops in price a bit.

>>378230051
it has rpg elements, like dishonored your sctions have an effect but they are not spelt out for you, and unless you go wayyyy out your way you cant level all skills.
It a really good game. I'm keeping that one.
Only bad thing about it is loading times, but it is to be expected with the amount of detailed environments and assets

>>378230341
I obviously never like loading times, but I've gotten used to them in Prey because I just love everything about the game. There's areas it could improve for sure, but right out of the gate, I love it. But imagine, if the game could look as good as it looks but had no loading screens and was PC only. I'm immediately reminded of the first Soul Reaver. Not a loading screen in sight, but it has doors in several places, and the game loads the next huge area after the door as you open it. AND it has a mechanic whereby you can shift to another dimension, and the architecture of the levels warp and shift in front of you, and they made it work on a PS1. I mean, yeah, the framerate when shifting on the PS1 version is horrendous, but only when you compare it to the PC version, which happens pretty much instantly and looks amazing.

I liked the first game. It takes a lot of effort to get the good ending but it was enjoyable

>>378230840
I played soul reaver on the dreamcast, I didn't like the game as I am not into the gothic/dark type of games but year I remember no loading screens. iirc it has "hidden" loading screens, like for example tlou, god of war or new lara croft games have the hidden load screens.

I liked prey right from the start, I wanted to play it again after but it's the type of game you need to forget the levels to appreciate it.
I played human powers only, so next time I'm gong for the typhon powers only run.

Defiantly a game that i will pick up again and enjoy it like it was the first time I played it.

>>378217895
It was awful, the only "good" thing about it was the Trials DLC.

>>378231076
Takes a lot of effort? Nigger nonlethal route isn't that much harder, just a little bit more complicated

>>378217895
I played the game 100% Lethal/Chaos. I found it fun as fuck the entire time.
Playing this as a stealth game is a meme.

>>378231551
>Playing this as a stealth game is a meme.
it's a lot harder as a stealth game, and if you like stealth games this is a top tier one.
Trying stealth flesh and steel is a tough but rewarding run

>>378231539
You only have chokehold and sleep darts. You get alot more options when you play lethal. It's easy to just stab everyone in the neck and feed em to the rats

>>378231952
>>it's a lot harder as a stealth game, and if you like stealth games this is a top tier one.
Definitely not, it's one of the many modern "stealth" games that doesn't know how stealth or a ghost run works.
I completed the entire game by killing every single possible NPC and still managed to get Ghost in every level.

>>378232136
I'd argue you don't need much more, but the DLC added in new tools which I wish would've been added retroactively to the base game, like the chokedust grenade and all that. DH2 though has a lot more stealth options than 1, and even stealthy knockout drops finally in 2.

>>378232292
Ghosting in dishonored means not being spotted.

There is a check mark for not killing after every mission, just like there is for ghosting

I don't see your point.

>>378232292
>I completed the entire game by killing every single possible NPC and still managed to get Ghost in every level.
Ghosting in DH1 means not being seen. There is a separate meter for lethal/nonlethal, divided between hostiles and civilians, and for alarms rung and bodies discovered. You can sneak kill every single person in the game, but if you're never seen, you ghosted the level. True ghosting is possible too though. I remember true ghosting challenges in the Thief games involved putting back keys where you found them and leaving everything as it was, making it look like no one ever went through there.

>>378232292
as anons said ghost is not seen, chaos is kills.
more chaos means more weepers and rats in the game and different behaviour from NPC's
the chaos is even more apparent in dishonored 2.

>>378220564
that move where he posseses the guard as he shoots his bullet and repositions him in front of it is so fucking stunning