Get ready to be nickled and dime for playing online. This is

Freedom isn't free.

>>378202959
>being an amerilard

lmao!

>>378203345
That's aussie ISP. This is how america will end up with the Big Orange in office.

>>378202959
*in Trumpistan.

>>378203345
Congrats on being a fucking moron.

>>378203382
>implying Trump isn't going to be impeached

LMFAO!!!!!

>>378203513
>being a buttmad amerifat

LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH

>>378203524
Trumps allows the Repubican congress to run wild and do whatever they want and in exchange he supports their legislation. Big Business runs america now.

>le foreigners trying to discuss murrikan politics
>le foreigners only know politics from comedy central and hbo

>>378203610
Ooh, so close. Want to try again dipshit?

>>378203719
t. clapistanian in denial

>>378203524
>trump is impeached in fantasy land
>now pence is president

ok now instead of a pseudo-cuckservative president who toes the line, now you have a full blown George W. tier cuckservative as president.

>>378203345
nigga you're fucking stupid

>>378203802
asshurt burgerclap

>>378203852
>trump toes the line
he has tripped over the line going both ways so far

>>378202959
sad but true now watch as the thread dies thanks to retards who can't even vote argue over trump

>>378203865
>uses monkey speak
>calls others stupid

LITERALLY LELING OUT LOUD

>>378202959
$10 for a static IP seems OK in my book

>>378204015
it's an additional fee

>>378204064
Not that guy but static ips are usually like thirty bucks, my dude.

>>378203852
>full blown George W. tier cuckservative
That's an insult to G.W. Pence is way worse.

>>378203876
You just look pathetic now.

>>378204064
I know

>>378204151
>amerifat
>calls others pathetic

TOP
LYL

>>378204139
>>378204161
What's the benefit to a static IP? It seems like a downgrade personally,

>>378204332
They are a million times easier to work with when it comes to any NAT stuff and server hosting of all sorts.

>>378204263
ooga booga the poor little third worlder scared of big strong american boogieman

>>378204465
I can't understand you with all that lard blocking your face and China's cock lodged deep down your throat

>>378204593
>lard blocking your face and China's cock lodged deep down your throat
We talking about Australia or America? It fits the bill for both.

>>378204593

>>378202959
Which ISP is that so I can avoid them.

>>378202959
Static ip is worth it, if you need it. The rest is snake oil tho.

>>378205551
>avoiding ISPs
I wish you all the luck anon

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>>378205551
Looks australian

>tfw I live in new zealand while they suffer under an internet monopoly

>>378202959
>Low latency
Cant wait until they introduce fake latency if you don't buy the upgrade

>>378203852
George W. Bush is a good man and was a good President. Pence is a psychopath, as greedy as Trump but with the hateful fervor of a religious zealot as well.

>>378206132
i mean, it's still lower

>>378203345
>European education

>>378205995
Still waiting on my amazing Fiber to the Node to be completed. Hopefully I'll have an easy time finding a decent NBN provider, but I'll probably stick with the smaller one I'm on right now that's giving me a pretty decent deal.

Tell you what it is completely fucked that some NBN providers are charging an arm and a leg for an NBN connection when you have 0 fucking choice in the matter.

>>378203993
it's okay anon white people will be eradicated soon.

>>378203345
they have NBN in america? dumbass

>>378203654
It's truly sad that liberty died so oil tycoons, Russia, and the mining industry could destroy the national parks and Christfags could dismantle the education system and persecute anybody in science, medical, and engineering related fields to keep people from knowing anything that could stand in the way of their greed.

>>378202959
Does unlimited download mean no bandwidth cap? Because $10 for that is dirt cheap when it's $30 to uncap here. Static IP is a bonus.

>>378204332
t. ban evader

>>378206563
I legitimately can't tell if you're shitposting or actually think this

>>378206101
NBN is a wholesale only monopoly, owned by the gov. They don't have shareholders to please, since they just tax everyone.
Its a utility and ISPs are forced to compete with each other on retail. It will not return to being a cancerous monopoly unless NBN and all its assets are sold back to telstra.

>>378204332
If you host a game server or voice server of any kind you'd want a static IP address so you don't have to tell your friends your new IP address every time it renews.

>Stomp shitties on my game of choice at 60fps on wonky internet with 20 dollar periphs.

When will shitties learn that this doesn't help you?

>>378203039
The motto of America

>>378206563
don't play into the bipartisan bullshit. democrats instead support greedy buisness owners and bankers by importing immigrants who will work for slave wages and obtain lots of debt, destroy the overall environment by supporting never ending population growth of countries in africa, dismantle the education system with their critical theory revisionist horseshit while pesecuting anyone in science medical or engineering related fields that does or implies any problematic wrongthink that goes against their progressive dogma

both parties are garbage

>>378206101
MyRepublic operates in New Zealand too.

>>378204332
If you host a server then static IPs make everything easier
If you want to ban evade it's the worst thing you could have

>>378206721
>Letting one company own all your wires
>Gov. in charge of moving with any kind of efficiency or speed
poor australia.

>>378206762
Yeah and nobody uses them because we actually have choices

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>>378206487
>tfw Google gave up on fiber in Kansas City because it wasn't spreading fast enough because old fucks in Overland Park don't know what it is and kept voting against its spread

>>378206625
Unlimited is included in the base plan

>>378206758
I don't disagree. But right now it's the Republicans destroying protected environmental wonders, and that can't be handwaved, ignored, or forgiven. Trump and Pence and their cabinet are the most evil individuals who have ever held office in this country.

>>378206910
>Republicans destroying protected environmental wonders
Name one.

>>378206879
What choice, last time I checked (which was a while ago actually) we have like 10 different providers all priced the same, Telecom charging $10 more on everything for fuck knows who reason, and BigPipe offering cheap as fuck plans but 0 support. And they all get dicked over by Chorus at the end of the day anyway.

>>378206910
>most sinister people in country's history because they messed up some forests
eat shit, hippy

>>378206970
One? Try every last state and national park in this country being sold off to the highest bidder.

>>378206910
how many pieces of history are being destroyed in the south over the last couple years because "dey racist"

>>378207063
Name a single explicit park that has been destroyed as a result of trump being in power. You're currently just spouting nonspecific abstract fearmongering bullshit.

>>378207064
Not the same. Important, but not the same. Denying history is a grave mistake though and Robert E. Lee was an important person, because he fought for the wrong side and lost in a conflict we're doomed to repeat by pretending it never happened.

>>378206307
george w. bush kidnapped and tortured foreigners on hearsay evidence, and invaded iraq on a bullshit pretense; killing hundreds of thousands
he should kill himself immediately
everyone in his administration should kill themselves immediately

I pay 20$ for internet where I live, get fucked

>Australia
Lel

>>378207268
citation needed

>>378206987
The point is that because ISP's don't own all the lines they have to suck your dick to get your business, especially the smaller ones.

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>>378203654
>Big Business runs america now
Yeah because it totally didn't with Obama in charge.
It's not like he bailed out the big banks and didn't bring criminal charges against any of them for creating the biggest financial crisis since the great depression - oh shit wait that's exactly what happened

You know the reason Democrats have lost almost all of their power? It's because they're fucking shit. The amount of minorities in the USA is at an all-time high and they still did so fucking badly in the previous 8 years that Donald fucking Trump of all people was considered preferable over another 4 years of the Democrats.

You made your own bed, now fucking sleep in it

>>378206307
Show me a single instance where mike pence, while running or being vice president, has acted hatefully towards anyone

>>378207268
He did none of that. The CIA did that with just cause, as they always have and continue to do. Even under Obama they did. I am a left leaning person who voted for Obama twice and against Trump and I say this without a hint of irony: George W. Bush is the best President we've had in my lifetime.

>>378207220
Robert E. Lee is not important because "he fought for the wrong side and lost in a conflict we're doomed to repeat by pretending it never happened" - he's important because he's a great example of how even if you disagree with someone so badly you're going to fucking war with them, you can still respect them and their ability.

These days the ones pushing for repeating the conflict are the Left - they're the ones advocating for racial segregation and banning free speech after all

>>378207607
It's the usual cycle. Dems appeal to the small people out there, gain seats/presidency, over the next 4/8 years stop appeasing the small people and focus on the elites, this annoys the small people, it reflects in congressional votes, Reps start appealing to the small people, etc.

>>378203382
I'm with an aussie ISP, and it's just a pure 100/40Mbps unlimited plan. Boycott anyone who does otherwise.

>>378207731
People keep saying Bush was shit basically because he wasn't a very eloquent speaker

They forget he was in one of the hardest periods of all time in which to be the US President.

Not to mention nobody seems to give a shit about Obama breaking the 4th amendment of literally everybody in the US with an internet connection and I supported him for both terms

>>378206879
>Letting one company own all your wires
Its not a company, if you even read what i wrote.
>Gov. in charge of moving with any kind of efficiency or speed
All new developments are getting fiber. Or you can move to where they already have FTTH. Its more than worth it.

>>378207856
If I was american I would have voted for a cuck like romney over obama, thats how fucking bad he was.
McCain can go die in a fire though.

>>378207386
>citation needed
How underage are you that you need a citation for this?

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>>378206307
>George W. Bush is a good man and was a good President

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>>378203654
>Big Business runs america now.
Good.

>>378207934
Thank God you aren't then because McCain is one of the only good ones left and Romney is human garbage, much like you.

>>378207731
no. the buck stops with the president
and not only was there no "just cause" for the behavior in question, it all violates international law
george w. bush was a piece of shit, and so you are you

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>>378202959
>static ip
so when was this a good thing for gaming.
I know it's not good for shitposting

>>378208159

Before console gaming got onto PC, when you could host matches and had to port forward and such.

>>378208159
>tfw static ip

>>378203382
>Aussie ISP
>Unlimited 100mbps plan
>$69.99 a month
Nice try cunt.

>>378202959
A static IP costs €25 a month where I live, where's the problem?
Not that I'd need or want one.

Gaming community will see a lot of improvement with inbred anglos out of the fucking windows though.

Most cancerous players are british and american kids.

>>378206726
>Hey guys so my new server is at massivefaggot.dyndns.org

wow that was hard

>>378209123
most cancerous players are Russians and non-whites and you know it

>>378202959

Just like 4chan now?

Well I already paid $20 to post so

>>378209124
It could still take up to 24 hours for your new IP address to properly propagate across the internet?

>>378209180
what are you talking about

>>378209185
It takes up to 24 hours for DNS to update to new IP addresses

Until that happens the domain name you use would incorrectly direct users to your old IP address, not your new one.

>>378209130
The number of biritsh and american children with unrestricted access to online games greatly outweighs the amount of russians.

>>378204139
Static IPs are the norm in the US. They'll want to be charging more now for something that's already included in your plan right now

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>>378203524
Impeachment requires Pence's approval.

>>378209206
Static IPv4? It definitely isn't

>>378209224
I've never had an ISP that didn't give me a static IP. I've even tried looking up his to change it and it never worked for me because it's static. Have AT&T

>>378203719
this desu

why do they bother making shit threads

>>378209232
You might not noticed it, sometimes they have DHCP lease times set for 1 month for longer, even if you restart router it'll get the same IP address

It could be 24 hr as well which means you'd need to leave your router unplugged for that long to get a new one

>Anglo internet
TOP LEL

>>378203654
>People are afraid for Big Business running America.
>They're sceptical from someone getting economic aid from Big Business
>So they decide to literally elect Big Business into office instead
JUST

>>378203719
American politics isn't really hard to get a grasp on. You've two positions on every issue.

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>>378202959
>Use 'normal' plan
>Play games anyway
Unless they're being ultimate cunts and have made the default plan WORSE, nothing changes.

Not even 5 years ago trumpfags would've fought against the FCC trying to get rid of NN, but now that Trump is in power NN is a bad thing because MUH GUBERMINT REGULATIONS

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>all the europoors ITT
>not having FttH
this costs me ~$130 USD, ISP is Verizon FIOS

>>378204593
You are fucking retarded, aren't you?

So after Trump's eight years of presidency will Liberals still be assblasted

I don't get it? Won't ISPs just offer an "everything" plan because that's what 99.9% of people want? If a specific website doesn't want the public accessing it foe free they can just have their own subscription service. What does tiering even accomplish?

>>378208248
>tfw have to tether to my phone internet if I want to shitpost

>>378209498
in large swaths of the US there is only 1 ISP available, or you might get a choice between DSL and satellite, but satellite is shit so it's not really an option

>>378209468
So after Trump's eight years of presidency and he doesn't get the wall built, doesn't bring jobs back to rural America, doesn't get rid of anyone who's non-white, doesn't make America any richer than it is today, are you still going to think he was a good president just because he made liberals mad?

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>>378202959
>No more squeekers in games, because it's too expensive for most households to have children play video games online.
>No more NEETs because their parents can't afford to have them at home and pay for the internet.
>No more Dirty foreigners in my games, because they are just scraping by on their low income salary.

Is this the true savior of Online video games?

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>>378209579
Why wouldn't he get the wall built anon? He already has bidders making prototypes in the US.

He also has lowered the unemployment rate, and the countries debt as welll! Sorry youre so wrapped up in butthurt you cant think straight

>>378209434
You can see how they fuck you over by not giving you the full 1/1 Gbit/s.
Optic fibre doesn't have losses like copper does so they're just doing this on purpose.

>>378209543
Why would ISPs not offer an everything plan though? And isn't the reason it is monopolized because it so regulated that even fucking google doesn't have the time/money to get in?

>>378209370
They did

>>378209658
Amerisharts love their overlord corporations fucking them over though.

>static ip
really no reason for that, unless you want to host something 24/7

>>378209657
Is this true? I need some sources please

>>378209748
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/04/522652528/bids-for-trump-s-border-wall-are-due-today

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>>378209697
lel
At least here in bongland the ISPs are forced to compete against each other, sucks to be colonies

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>internet in my country is $30 or 20usd on top of my landline for unlimited high speed fiber

>>378209658
my ONT is provisioned at 1024/1024, it's limited to 990/880 by ethernet
I'm also running bittorrent and other stuff right now

>>378209690
google has to fight local governments to be allowed to build in the first place, thanks to deals they've made with ISPs
your idea of an "everything" plan would just be the highest tiered plan, with no competition to drive the price down

>>378209657
He's hasn't been in office long enough to have an effect on the economy, he's going to coast on what Obama did to fix Bush's economy and take credit for it.

>>378209872
>on top of my landline
So you're not telling us the actual price then

>high speed
So you're not telling us the actual speed then
Hint: 100 Mb/s isn't high speed

>>378209690
when did regulations become such a boogeyman for 4chan

>>378202959
>tfw soviet block country
>tfw excellent telephone network converted to super fast cheap LAN
>tfw now upgraded to super fast cheap fiber
>tfw i pay less for cable, phone and internet combined than anglos pay for just slow ass net
>tfw ISP even has a dedicated 100 mbps file sharing service so all of their clients can pirate the recent music/movie/game releases in seconds

it was worth the bread lines

Currently paying 60 bucks a month for "8mb" 500gb download limit internet. My max download speed is 685ish kbps when its off peak about 500ish kbps when every normie is watching netflix.
Feel free to laugh at me. But hey at least I'm aussie so that's ok.

>>378209879
>with no competition to drive the price down
I understand how this is an issue but it is an issue regardless of tiering. My main point is that tiering will never work because most people will just sign up for the full plan because most people want acceas to the whole internet. Also if it is the local governments that are fucking shit up that's one reason not to get the government involved with the internet because they are the source of the problem.

>>378210057
Because monopolies can't form without the government.

>>378210108
but we have a free market with no regulations, take that

>>378209245
this. they reserve static setups for businesses. DHCP is the norm for residential.

>>378202959
Are you actually dense?

Static IP's cost extra, that's what you're paying for...

>>378202959
/pol/ will defend this.

>>378210191
enjoy your free market while you get killed by ruskies with half your latency

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>>378210185
What did he mean by this and what kind of evidence would anyone have to think this is remotely true?

>>378210191
>thinking the same will happen in America
Russia gives no shits about copyright. America does and if the government controls the internet say goodbye to piracy.

>>378210243
>TFW I've never had to pay for a static ip from my isp.

>>378210261
Give me an example where a monopoly formed without the government.

>>378210252
they already are, they think NN is evil government regulation, and if we just get rid of them the internet will be free and our benevolent corporate overlords will give us 1st world internet

>>378210289
what ISP?

>>378202959
>passfag
>complaining about being nickel and dimed
Nice one.

>>378206487
Go with a different RSP then?
No one said you had to use Bigpond...

>>378210324
It's true though. Do you seriously trust the government? Even after all the shit revealed about what the NSA does? Even with th DMCA?

>>378210272
Yes because they invaded your privacy when title 2'ing phone and tv service.

This comment is always may by people who have know Idea what title 2 is.

>>378210453
I said piracy not privacy.

>>378210350
Comcast actually.

But I do have a fucking cap so...

>>378210261
A monopoly depends on excessive government regulation to squash any and all smaller businesses that might possibly compete one day. You think walmart gives half a fuck about increasing minimum wage or environmental damage penalties or workplace safety regulations? All that shit exists specifically to prevent competitors from ever gaining a foothold.

>>378207607
>you didn't clean up Bush's mess of an economy because of his deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, and insane amount of military spending.
>so we will elect a guy who does all of this to an even higher degree and it's all your fault

You are a curious bunch.

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>>378203524
IM PEACH BLUMP NOW!!!

>>378208159
>have static ip
>some shithead decides to ding dong ban you because power trip
>can't change ever
>fucked

>don't have static ip
>any game worth your dollars has NAT punchthrough and traversal.
>if it doesn't, ding dong refund-u

Literally no reason for static IP except for Government to plant evidence on you and say "YOUR IP IS STATIC SO ALL THE CP WE TRANSFERRED OVER THE WIRE TO LITERALLY NO WHERE IS YOURS, OFF TO JAIL WITH YOU FOREVER LOLOLOLOLOLOOOLO)OLOLOLOLOLOLOL!O!@#!@!@!@!@!@!@@!!@!@"

>>378210410
its insane the lengths you corporatist dicksuckers will go to defend your precious corporations

>>378210515
How does increasing minimum wage allow a competitor to gain foothold?

>>378210552
Whatever man, if you don't want a static IP, don't pay the extra $10 for one.
Jesus Christ.

>>378210410
>America's spy agency looks for ways to hack into systems to spy.

WHY DO THEY RESERCH WAYS TO SPY REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>378210554
Is that all you can say as a counter? Why not prove to me the government is trustworthy then?

>>378210503
My response stil works.

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>>378203654
>Big Business runs america now.
>now

>>378210515
And I'm sure corporations have never drafted legislation or lobbied congressmen to help kill off small businesses right? Its all the governments fault.

>>378202959
>nickled and dime
*nippled and boobed

>>378210604
That is a very simplistic view on what the NSA does.

>>378210554
>Thinking a company shouldn't be forced by government regulation to allow or disallow network access is bad
>Thiking the Australia model is bad

It's only bad in US becuase you have enforced monopolies in certain cities/counties that prevent competition. Net Neutrality wouldn't even be an issue if those barriers to competition were removed, as even though the incumbent ISPs might do some fuckery, a niche will exist for unfettered access and competitors will be able to offer it.

>>378210597
enjoy your 1 MB per second speeds. Want to be able to access job application websites? Pay an extra 10,000$ a month, or sign a 500 year family contract with the internet trust corp.

>>378210752
its cute how you think the magical free market will fix everything

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>>378204332
There are two things that "Static IP" means.

One is being able to have an IP visible to the outside world, directly linked to your router.
This is a security concern if you're bad at computers, but greatly helps with hosting any kind of service.

The other one is having an IP that stays the same.
This one is not tied to the above: you can have an IP address that changes whenever you reset your router/ethernet card or you can share one IP (and all bans on it) with a whole block of people.

What you want is IP that is visible to the outside, but changes whenever you reset your router and change its MAC address.
This allows both hosting and ban evading.

>>378210515
>Walmart exists because of government oversite!!!!!

No it exists because Walden created massive connects with suppliers that got his items for cheap and now they are so big and can order massive amounts for so cheap no startup could compete with them in the same field.

You can always tell who has never studied economics.

>>378210515
>A monopoly depends on excessive government regulation to squash any and all smaller businesses that might possibly compete one day

This takes an impressive combination of being completely clueless on how economies and governments work. You're so wrong it's painful to watch you keep posting

>>378210694
I was responding to a very simplistic comment about the NSA.

>>378210801
Wow, Americans really go to the extreme with hyperbole don't they.

>>378202959

This won't happen.

>>378210851
Walmart isn't a monopoly though.

>>378202959
Brit fags will just have to pay £100 a year for an internet license.

>>378210673
Without the government corporations become weak.

>>378210572
Oh, okay. I'm talking to illiterate foreigners I guess. A rising minimum wage keeps smaller businesses from competing. Walmart (Or whatever other big business boogieman you want to pick) doesn't give a fuck if minimum wage rises because they can take the hit.

>>378211079
If people are stupid to waste money on a mongolian stone throwing website they would be stupid enough to spend money on shitty ISP services

>>378211090
Not nationally, but it is regionally.

My hometown has a Walmart and the only other option for most thing is a gas station.

>>378211043
You should be able to understand it, every country besides america you can't actually own land unless you're a noble or some other extremely wealthy entity. You just rent it from the Government for a period of time.

>>378210930
That was about the goverenment in general using the NSA as one example to justify distrust of the government.

>>378211208
>Americans are actually this stupid

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>>378211152

>>378211175
Fuck giving people a livable wage. And while we're at it, lets bring back child labor.

>>378211205
That's because your hometown is in bumfuck nowhere.

>>378210673
>And I'm sure corporations have never drafted legislation or lobbied congressmen to help kill off small businesses right? Its all the governments fault.

You literally made my argument for me dum dum. If the government didn't have the power to shape the marketplace like that, there would be no lobbying by the big evil corporation.

>>378211253
>not actually knowing how your own country works
Come on, say where you're from.

>>378202959
>net neutrality is good durrr

Fucking liberals.

>>378211263
This is what happens when you invite the right-wing to 4chan.

>>378211263
It's true. You can laugh at me but I am only speaking truth.

>>378211175
But government ISN'T raising the minimum wage. Is your entire point built on a hypothetical?

>>378211306
There would be no lobbying because they would be the legislation. The only thing keeping them in power would be how many bullets they could block.

>>378211216
Fine but don't pretend that the lack of government would suddenly stop all spy activity.

Major corps would pick it up.

>>378209197
Try a few minutes at most

>>378211330
What was your position on NN 5 years ago when it was threatened by Obamas government? If it was different why do you support gutting NN today? I hope it isn't because you're a partisan hack and unconditionally support Trump.

>>378211387
Okay I am not saying there should be no government just saying there ahould be less government so that corporationa can do their jobs and governments can do their jobs.

>>378209434
>muh europoor OBSESSION
>doesn't know that you can get fiber for 9.9 euros there

>>378211420
Not him but I like net neurtality but never liked the government taking over the internet.

>>378203524
Bill Clinton got impeached too and he still served his two terms.

>>378211420
>bubububut Obungo!

Liberals, ladies and gentlemen. You lost, deal with it.

>>378211267
>livable wage

Learn a skill, peasant. Produce something of value or do something unpleasant or dangerous. The labor of stocking shelves and serving food is worth less than the cost to feed and house you. Amazon already figured that shit out with their permadark warehouses full of drones.

>>378211442
less government is a fucking buzzword to trick retards.

Something's needs less government some things need more government.

Just straight cutting government across the board is just as fucking dumb as increasing it.

>>378211507
Luckily they are two separate things.

>>378211562
Sure but I am saying internet is one that needs less. I just say in general I want less because I think most things need less government.

>>378211420
Not him, but the liberal agenda is always a self destructive one led by a group of people who aren't the actually liberals themselves. There's no narrative about anything out of the liberal camp that is actually crowd sources or grass routes. Keep in mind, these are the people who in 2000-2006 were talking about building a wall between the US and mexico, and now are claiming that anything that prevents anyone from Mexico from raping to their hearts content is neonazi facism.

Because of that, if Net Neutrality is what the democrats support, then it has to be opposed because it's negative. We've already seen attempts at hate speech laws and advertisement campaigns to shut down conservative voices.

Even if it kills everyone, I would oppose the democrat party because nothing they do is positive to me.

>>378210305
As in, with no government interference? Or are you asking for a monopoly that exist where no government exist?

>>378210410
>Do you seriously trust the government?

The government is just people, corporations are just people. They're all just people. I don't trust them any more or less than each other because I don't know them.

>>378211641
No government interference.

>>378211638
The internet has very little regulations on it currently you can't really remove much.

>>378211653
Right but they have a history of actions that they take which you can infer future actions from. I don't trust specific corporations, I trust competition between corporations.

>>378211735
Sure but ISPs take advantage of the government to drive out competition.

>>378211697
Microsoft in the early days before the antitrust lawsuit.

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Btw, I hate liberals completely, with all my body

But you do realize that the USA GOVERNMENT paid for the ENTIRE INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE and let COMPANIES have it

right?

They were literally given billions to do things for the US and once the money cleared into their bank, they said NAAAAAH LOL WE HAVE LOBBIESTS, GG FUCKERS

You know why muslims don't suicide bomb places like Comcast or Verizon, or Time Warner? because they are bought and owned by monied interests.

>>378210821
It actually does though, if you haven't noticed, no one in australia is complaining about 'specific websites' being slow on certain ISPs, because they all actually have to compete with each other.

The only ISPs preventing access to websites are a few weirdo Christian ISPs that advertise their filtering as features, the only people who use these ISPs are happy with that too, free market in action.

ISPs(RSPs now techincally) have largely enjoyed a free market here due t othe fact that the original Telephone network was entirely government/tax payer funded and owned, so even when PMG became Telecom and later Telstra and was sold off, the public has always been able to maintain open access on the old pots CAN.
So even 15 years ago, many ISPs were able to buy FRAND priced wholesale access to Telstra's entire network and provide services to the Australian public, without rolling out their own entire last-mile networks.
Later there were extra changes like SSS/LSS which allowed for ISPs to install their own DSLAMs in Telstra's exchanges and share spectrum on the customer copper pairs.
Even later still there was ULL, where ISPs in the above arrangement, could provision services on a customer pair without a phone service ('Naked DSL')

Now we've got NBN, which is actually 144 separate last-mile networks owned by a Government owned corporation, which provides open access to anyone whish to provide any sort of IP services (be it internet or otherwise) to (eventually) the entire Australian public.
Again, ANY ISP can provide services over the NBN and there are hundreds of ISPs providing services to any single address - not one or two - hundreds, so to limit access in some way would suddenly make your service look very unappealing and it's not hard for a customer to change ISPs.

We've been doing this for over 20 years now and it's never turned into this monster you make it out to be.

>>378211774
>Right but they have a history of

No they don't, you cannot say ALL governments have a history of X and ALL corporations have a history of Y.

>>378211837
go away telstra

>>378211908
Our government does. And actually you can because all governments have the most power in their respective countries. You can generalize about corporations too but corporations have a power check in the form of competition.

>>378211827
>Btw, I hate liberals completely, with all my body
>hurr libruls r all BLM snowflakes

>>378211819
Can you explain? How does offering IE with Windows constitute a monopoly?

>>378203719
>implying two party politics is someone difficult to grasp

>>378211963
>>>
Not Tesltra, if Telstra had their way everywhere would be HFC and the copper CAN would've been dug up and removed to prevent need to wholesale access.

ACCC fought hard for our wins. SSS and ULL especially.
And the $90 restoration fee, that was load of bollocks too.

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>>378202959
I'm not american

>>378204332
External IP, the one they are talking about? Fucking nothing, don't listen to the other replies. Companies don't distribute an IP, they distribute a domain, like google.com, which is resolved with a domain name service translating the domain to an IP. Static IP is soley designed to fuck consumers over in favor of the policing generation

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>>378211827

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>tfw europoor
>get fast unlimited internet usage
>for less than 50 shekels a month

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>>378203524
>he believes in a big russian conspiracy that will get Trump impeached

>>378202959

shit what service is this? i'd drop money on it this for FFXIV since i'm on the east coast

>>378211817
As someone who has worked for both the government in infrastructure and an isp in infrastructure I can assure you this no longer happens since the federal 1996 communications act maked it illegal to do this anymore.

The problem is the high cost of infrastructure to create a new isp. That's why you see smaller isp in newer communities and not in old ones.

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Back in the early 2000's the Deutsche Telekom did that with online gaming. You could buy a service called Fastpath which will lower you latency. I went from having 40-60ms to 20-40ms back in Battlefield1942 in a 64 player server.

It's not something entirely new here in Germanistan. But then again it was only 10€ to activate it once and after that 1€ extra each month to the normal bill.

>>378212363
>high cost of infrastructure
Isn't that partially because of the government? I don't expect any small business to even afford the non-government fees but when google can't afford it something is up.

>>378209245
>>378210217
You stupid fucks are thinking of internal IPs, that still use DHCP even for static IPs. Comcast gives out static IPs now and specifically only gives out dynamic IPs to business class, not the other way around

>>378211837
This sounds like the Comcast Facebook that argues that them not counting their own streaming service against you cap while all other streaming service do is somehow net neutral

>>378212510
US is different market.

In Australia any ISP can access the NBN, so there is competition, thus Net Neutrality is a leash.
It's bad too in US, but you have a much worse demon in the exclusive monopolies ISP have over cities and counties, preventing competition - Net Neutrality is all but required UNLESS those monopolies are killed, as there is no chance for competition for free access.

>>378207754
Goddamnit. You're right. I wish Trump was putting up more of a fight. But I think he saw the deep state and media Colossus turn its attention on him and decided to toe the line.

>>378211697
Facebook?

>>378212494
Governmental fees only incompassed about 3% of total cost.

The physical running of the lines it the major expense at about 45%.

>>378211827
Internet infrastructure is like roads. Companies only rent them. At least where I live LOL

Jesus do you not see the static IP part? Most services are dynamic where your IP changes every 5 minutes. Normally a provider has a pool of IP addresses that you "pull" from and during peak hours that it takes longer to access. A static IP doesn't have that problem and is easier to setup direct connections or host servers. Generally, businesses purchase a static IP because they host servers for their company.

>>378212645
Facebook isn't a monopoly.

Comcast already rapes the anus, once it's prolapsed $10 more isn't going to make much of a difference.

>>378212191
Well congratulations because that "alternate reality" dictated the president

>>378213081
That really activated my almonds, I guess I'm with her now... You know how fucking stupid you sound? You really think another fucking Clinton was the answer? For all his flaws he's doing a great job. Meanwhile you fucking shariablue posters are goofing off on the wrong board.

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>>378213081
It's fucking hilarious to me as a yuropoor

>>378211518
Pretty certain the Senate voted against his impeachment.

communism is awesome

joseph stalin did nothing wrong

the DRPK is the real korea

capitalism kills 20 million people a year

there is no discernable difference between democrats and republicans

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>>378212283
>he believes in a big clinton conspiracy where they run pedo rings and kill off people who expose their secrets

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>>378213262
>Completely impotent
>Doing a great job

>>378213262
That's not what I'm saying
I'm saying that pretending like you can go halfway to a liberal without them stabbing a knife halfway into your back is a pipe dream.

You can't support anything a liberal supports because everything they support is dictated by a powered interest.

Trump needs to actually make arrests and dismantle some shit, or we're back to square 1 in 3-7 years, AND there will never be another chance again because they'll make it illegal and kill your family and spy on you if you EVER try to oppose them again

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>>378213410
>yet for some reason Anthony Weiner is still alive

>>378213442
One of us is not paid to post here friend

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I pay next to nothing for this. Sucks to be an aussiefag, I guess?

Also, no caps

>>378213630
>kill a no named nobody
>turns into a massive story
>comes back to bite you when you push fake narrative
>LET'S KILL THE BIGGEST WITNESS OF THEM ALL
But really, if the Trump Adm. doesn't start on some corruption, the world is over. GG, end of days. No point in procreating as there will be nothing to live for.

>>378213804
FTTB or Apartment fibre?

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>>378202959
Im sure shit like this won't happen to me

>>378213924
Apartment fibre at 250/250 mbit. Can get 1000 mbit, but that seems like overkill for my usage

>>378206132
That could actually get them into legal trouble. File in the right state with a good lawyer and it would cause some headaches for the ISP and give them a shit ton of bad press plus pressure from other ISP's for drawing attention to shady shit ISP's do.

Its to much of a risk to do anything like that. Its easier to just give priority and leave it at that.

>>378210191
But I don't want most of the shit the market offers and the market refuses to offer what I do want because what I want endangers their other products or bottom line.

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>>378202959
This is the best my city has to offer when it comes to internet speeds. I probably shouldn't complain because I only pay 20€ and never have any problems but keeping up my ratio on private trackers is hell.

>>378214064
Neato.

>>378209498
The cable-like tiering structure is just propaganda pushed by big corps like Google. ISPs have zero incentive to crush out smaller websites or charge fees to access them. After all, if you're going to charge for access to something, why charge for access to something small that barely anyone uses?

They have great incentive to charge for the biggest drains on their bandwidth, which happen to be the big corporations that are lobbying the hardest for net neutrality. Google and Netflix alone account for over half of all internet traffic. ISPs would love to tell people they have to spend 5 extra dollars to access to Youtube, but that would hurt Google so they'd instead have to work out a behind the scenes deal with ISPs to avoid people being deterred from their service due to that charge.

And that's really all net neutrality was for. To protect mega corporations from having part of their profits extorted by other corporations, but it's sold to people like it's some kind of benefit to consumers. Ultimately net neutrality would end up hurting consumers even more, because ISPs will resort to stricter bandwidth caps and higher pricing on speed tiers, which has the exact same effect on consumers but completely avoids net neutrality's stipulations.

It just does nothing to fix the myriad of problems with ISPs in America.

>tfw your ISP blocked p2p file sharing

;_;

>>378207754
>dems appeal to the small people
but this hasnt happened in over a decade

>>378214528
Change to a different ISP?

>>378214702
I live in an apartment complex and I can only use what they offer.

>>378209209
If there is treason trump and his entire cabinet go.

>>378214859
Get a VPN service or get a VPS/'cloud' instance and setup you're own ipsec VPN, to circumvent ISP restrictions.

>>378214505
Comcast already does it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2015/11/21/9776052/comcast-stream-tv-data-cap-exemption-net-neutrality

T-Mobile already does it

https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/free-music-streaming.html#

>>378206893
Move to Lenexa, enjoying my Fiber immensely up here

>>378215073
Neither of those situations are affected by net neutrality in any way. Good examples of why it's worthless.

>literally cannot get a better internet connection than 350KB/s
>the enn bee enn isn't due here until at LEAST 2019, likely later
epic memes friends

>>378216314
Sorry brah, but someone has to be at the end of the rollout.
What's your postcode and a major street near you (if not your street if it's a big one, don't give out id'able shit on 4chan!)

>>378202959
This is illegal in America, though.

>Entire city is literally owned by Bright House
>Tried shopping around but was literally told by a Verizon Fios employee that she would get fired if she even attempted to process me
>Have literally no options but to pay for their shitty service that barely handles 5 connected devices.

The second this situation happens the government should automatically seize all assets of the company and force it to split into multiple smaller company forced to fight over the city.

>>378213317
No you're just a retard, he was impeached and remained in office. Dumbasses like you just can't get it through your minds that impeachment does NOT equal outright removal.

>>378206893
>there are people voting against fiber
for what purpose? it's not like dumping nuclear waste barrels in your backyard

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>>378206307
libshits in the 2000s:
>oh my god bush is the worst person since hitler! how can we get rid of this war criminal!

libshits in the 2010s:
>oh god did drumpf seriously say that illegals should be deported? what a holocaust, why couldnt republicans field a good president like bush!

>>378217213
Bush was fucking awful, I remember, he ain't getting off the hook that easily

>>378203524
>implying that any other Republican wouldn't do this

>>378216824
>Tried shopping around but was literally told by a Verizon Fios employee that she would get fired if she even attempted to process me
This is illegal to do

>>378216824
Your story is bullshit because your story is literally illegal.

>>378217281
>he was almost defeated by a pretzel

>>378211827
>You know why muslims don't suicide bomb places like Comcast or Verizon, or Time Warner? because they are bought and owned by monied interests.

well they did bomb WTC, which was pretty much the headquarters of international corporate capitalism

>>378202959

>static IP

Trash

>>378217213
>it's a fucking 14 year old girl
Were you threatened as a Republican by a 14 year old's collage Anon?

>>378215995
Those are prime examples of not being net neutral...

They are prioritizing certain services over others.

>>378217517
>>378211827
>implying if comcast/verizon/etc got bombed, it would fuck them over that much
one suicide bomber can't take out much more than a single room. I really doubt they'd fly planes into verizon. plus with different insurances and business write offs, it wouldn't be a huge financial loss either.

>>378216758
not for long, you guys repealed net neutrality.

>>378217410
Well duh all that backroom deal shit is illegal but no one will do anything about it.

>>378217481
Nope she was set up in a Walmart and tried tried to process my address and it errored out over and over. She called her boss and after they talked she frowned and told me that my area was restricted and they have a no compete with Bright House and she could lose her job if she tried to process me.

>>378202959
>>378208450
is there a single not-shit isp with an actually affordable NBN plan that wont jew me? after the fuckers installed the not-fiber cable they were like "ok you got 14 months to buy an NBN plan before the phonelines cutoff"
why did we vote for extortion again?

>>378217498
republican presidents are such incredible autisms.

>>378217775
most importantly, there is no point in bombing some random company

muslims usually do one of three kinds of attack
>target something that violates islamic law
>target government, state or military of a country they hate
>target random civilians in a country they hate

orlando gay bar and german christmas market violated islamic law.
WTC was seen as a monument and symbol for america, and they hate america.
boston marathon bombing was targeting random american civilians.

but why would they attack some random ISP company? its not haram, its not US government, and killing random civilians is much easier elsewhere.

>>378217981
>ISP that will protect your privacy
>ISP that offers an unlimited NBN plan
>ISP that has good customer service
>ISP that doesn't charge like a wounded bull

Pick two and only two.

>>378214505
>They have great incentive to charge for the biggest drains on their bandwidth, which happen to be the big corporations that are lobbying the hardest for net neutrality
you're thinking of this like a free market, the big corporations that are lobbying the hardest for net neutrality own the ISPs.

>>378218149
*and the ISPs have monopolies over the regions they service thanks to agreements which essentially makes American ISPs a cartel.

>>378218110
D twice if i can.
otherwise D and B.

>>378207631
Lmao no response

>>378218149
Comcast/Verizon/charter are not lobbing for net neutrality

>>378214637
Don't republicans control everything?

>>378207607

>It's not like he bailed out the big banks and didn't bring criminal charges against any of them for creating the biggest financial crisis since the great depression

There was no alternative to bailing the banks. Half of US's workforce has no savings and lives from paycheck to paycheck. In a country with more guns than adults sitting down ATMs so people can't withdraw money to pay bills and buy food is going to end up really bad.

As for putting bankers in jail... You can't do that in the US because the legislation requires you to withdraw your investimentos from a bank if any high ranking administrator is prosecuted for crimes against the financial sector.

Obama is not to blame for this clusterfuck.

>>378218596
lolwut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90HpijIP_Q

>>378203524

>Trump gets impeached
>Pence becomes President
>pardons Trump
>makes Trump his VP
>resigns
>Trump is President
>names Pence his VP

>>378202959
So? Normies (and a good majority of 4chan users) think paid mods and patreons so modding teams can withhold latest builds for weeks are a good thing as well.

>>378210830

>reset your router and change its MAC address

I don't think most people spoof their MACs

>>378219184
Depends on ISP.
My ISP remembers MAC->IP assignments so that I need to change my router's MAC when I get banned from one of the chans.

>>378218923
Impeachment doesn't imply expulsion, it just means Congress officially censured the President for wrongdoing. Bill Clinton get impeached and he served the rest of his term.

>>378218923
*checks the rules*
*this is somehow not prevented*
i dont see why Pence would ever agree to that but if it happened it would be a surefire way to get the country into amending the constitution which is fine by me, it's been a dry period for amendments.

>>378219316
paul ryan 2018 woohoo

but seriously impeaching trump won't change the fcc. there's no one down the line of command that will do anything. Best thing to try to do is to stall until 2020

>>378219362
>teleports behind you
>amends you b*ttwhole open

>>378218923
it's more likely that pence names bernie sanders as vp than that happening

>>378219280
is that DJ khaled

>>378219280
was this filmed in a fucking prison

>>378219362
I'm pretty sure a Vice Presidential appointment like that would have to be approved by Congress.

>>378219316

Impeachment means expulsion. Clinton was saved by the senate. The impeachment process has to go through both houses to pass.

>>378211208
Ah, the Alabama education system strikes again.

>>378212504
You're slightly confused and severely retarded.

>>378220574
VPs dont require any approval according to law.

>>378221996
Are there any other elected positions that once vacated are allowed to be just selected at will by a single person? Seems unlikely.

>>378213317
He was impeached.
He was NOT convicted.

Impeachment just means you are putting the president officially on trial. Conviction is done by the Senate
Two presidents, Clinton and Johnson, have been impeached. Neither were found guilty

That's the barrier Dems will never hit. 2/3 of all of the Senate wanting Trump gone

>>378220717
Fucking wrong see
>>378222516

God damn retards don't know the difference between impeachment and conviction

>>378222516
>That's the barrier Dems will never hit. 2/3 of all of the Senate wanting Trump gone
Wouldn't be so sure of that, being the party supporting someone you know to have committed criminal deeds is politically toxic.
Republican party didn't come to have a majority of every part of government (including state legislatures) while also being a minority of the population by being politically stupid.
Although i doubt it would ever get that far, if Trump has any awareness at all he will see where things are going and pull a Nixon.

>>378204593
I swear it's like I'm on Reddit.