LOL

>we're slapping DRM on not because we don't want pirates to get it, but to preserve the sight and sound of the game's experience.
Don't piss on my leg and call it rain, you stupid fucking fox.

>>378182068
They could just have written "We aren't stupid enough to pay for a useless DRM service"

>>378182068

He's lying needless to say, but using Denuvo is smart - quite simply people will buy the game out of frustration rather than waiting for the game to be cracked.

>>378183183
An amount of people will not buy the game for having Denuvo though. So I think even if you try and argue for some impatient contingent, there are no gains to be made with Denuvo.

What a faggot. He closed the thread after everyone started pointing out how stupid that statement was.

Makes sense. If i made a game and could afford Denuvo i would get it. Fuck commie pirates who want to steal from people.

>>378182068
literally fucking who

>>378184052
>there are no gains to be made with Denuvo.

Publishers wouldn't use it if there were "no gains" - they don't make decisions at random. If they've used Denuvo for successive gains it's because they have good reason to believe it's helping sales.

>>378184476
https://steamcommunity.com/app/493200/discussions/0/1291817208492044746/

>>378184052
>no gains from Denuvo
I rather believe the companies that actually pay for it. If it didn't work they wouldnt be forking over cash to Denuvo. You think companies pay for third party DRM just for fun? The first weeks are the most important and that's what denuvo protects.

>>378184641
>>378184672
No. The big publishers use Denuvo because it hinders piracy, which is their goal. It clearly doesn't matter if a game sells worse on PC than the previous game, such as Deus Ex Mankind Divided.

The smaller publishers might choose to use it on account of the deals they are given, but regardless, this guy is talking out of his ass, so I dunno why you might trust him.

>>378182068
I will never underrated why people hate Denuvo, I mean it does nothing if you are a buyer, it only hurts pirates

I mean if you are a pirate who cares what you think, I mean why should devs care about people who don't buy their games.

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What the fuck? No wonder all my pirated games have glitchy graphics and distorted sound. I should've just bought the game with Denuvo to protect the game's quality!

>our game is a personal experience

translation: beaten in less than 5 hours

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>>378182068
>cracked games create issues with sight and sound

Since fucking when?

>>378184986
it kills any hope of mods because the nature of DRM requires an unmodified game. that said, the game modding scene seems kind of dead now, so that's not as big a negative as it was years ago.

>>378185308
Have you ever tried playing a game with a cracked screen?
And those cracked earphones are cutting into your ears, it's awful.

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>>378185476

>>378182068
I thought is aid Denuvo Anti-Trumper.
The Internet has ruined me.

>>378184956
>No. The big publishers use Denuvo because it hinders piracy, which is their goal.

Yes their goal is to hinder piracy...to increase sales. If they were losing sales they wouldn't use Denuvo. They want to make as much money as possible, not to spite pirates.

What's your source that Mankind Divided's sales were lowered by Denuvo, as opposed to other factors?

>>378184641
>>378184672
The only reason denuvo get's used is because of the investors. they don't understand shit but want protection.
If you tomorrow you made a supercar would your investor let you leave the car out before selling it without any protection? no
denuvo doesn't do jackshit. Also now you can get any denuvo game you want for 1-2$ dollar. legit game with a legit steam account for 1-2$.
Piracy will leave on. It'll always find a way

>>378185630
Direct comparisons are impossible because each game is different. You can't measure how a game sells with Denuvo and without Denuvo at the same time.

>>378184986
I'm not sure that's what you really mean, Anon.

>>378185475
Be more specific, denuvo shills will say it doesn't, but it prevents modifications to the .exe which are necessary for some games (bethesda ones come to mind)

>>378182068
I don't buy games with shitnuvo anyway.

>>378185475
>>378185902
Total War Hammer has mods
Even MGS V has mods
It literally fucking doesn't

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>>378182068
I've been going out of my way to buy games that use Denuvo, to show companies that people pay for games and that the frustrated tears of pirates waiting for cracks are the sweetest.

Eat shit you poorfag underage piratefag scum.

>>378186093
Those don't count shill.

>>378186093
didn't those get cracked?
if so, they probably got through undetected the same way the crack did.

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>>378186121
Blast you! Thwarted again!

>>378186121
Thx for paying for my entertainment cucklord :)

>>378185918
Let's be honest, you don't buy games at all, poorfag

>>378184986
You won't be able to play those games 15 years from now.
This is not just an issue with you, the buying consumer, but also with not being able to preserve the "history" of vidya.

>>378186261
Enjoy watching me play while you wait for a crack child. ;)

>>378186176
I hate Denuvo as much as anyone, but Denuvo only protects the core DRM. Mods don't trigger Denuvo protection, unless it patches any of the steamapi files or main executables.

>>378186174
Kys

>>378186176
>being this stupid
And no, Total War Warhammer didn't get cracked

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>>378186313
Uh yeah that's why I said it, retard. Free entertainment.

>>378186372
But I play ohter games in that time. I have no time to watch you kiddo :)

>>378185630
>They want to make as much money as possible, not to spite pirates.
Spending on Denuvo is surely contrary then to that aim? They are wilfully giving money to someone else, to lower piracy rates during the first weeks of sale. There have been no demonstrable increases in sales so far, so they must gain some other benefit outside of sales. For example, perhaps by solving the piracy "issue", they need to spend less on new forms of DRM, which could offset the loss of sales.

>What's your source that Mankind Divided's sales were lowered by Denuvo, as opposed to other factors?
Sure, there could be other factors for MD, same with Tomb Raider. But there was a downward trend to both games, which are some of the only comparable examples we have right now. I guess the key would be to compare the console sales data, and see if there was a comparable drop off.

>>378185630
Not a direct source but I just get a feeling that the sales are lower.

>>378186454
Maybe you'll get a job someday kid

>>378186527
Enjoy your old games, poorfag kiddo.

>>378186391
oh really? didnt know that. still, as >>378185902
said, the main executible is necessary to mod some games, namely bethesda ones, which get most of the modding community.

>>378186620
Yeah, Prey got pretty old tbqh senpai
boring

>RIME
Isn't this the game where the developer literally cried because he couldn't handle the criticism?

>>378182068
>if RIME is cracked we will release a Denuvo free version of RIME
I have no interest in this game but this makes me mad, why should I have to wait to buy the game because of pirates?

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>>378186669

>>378182068
Why are developers talking about this? Why even acknowledge you're using DRM unless it effectively introduces limits to the player experience (always online, limited activations like Tages and shit like that) which actually requires disclosure?

Ten years ago stuff like Securom, Safedisk and other CD based DRM was commonplace and literally nobody except pirates cared about it or even knew they were a thing.

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>>378185475
>That said, the game modding scene seems kind of dead now

>Gaming is popular more than ever. More than we have ever fucking seen in our lifetime.
>Modding is dying and almost on a standstill.

The reason for this, just like making games modding is getting to a point where it's getting ridiculously fucking difficult, and there is an ever more demand for quality. You literally need to know advanced/college level 3D art, imagery, modeling and animation now, and with the increase of resolution you really have to put a lot of work on detailing and overall texturing even for some crappy clothes. Now imagine this on a huge mod. It's not like the old days where you're given some diarrhea pixel models and all you really have to do is mix-match and come out with some retarded looking monster, paste a color on it's entire body and call it a day like you can do with M&B and it's crappy overall visuals. These people are not going to pander to you anymore for free mods when it's getting this harder to make them.

>>378186093
Having some shitty retextures of some units isn't the same as a massive overhaul using the entire engine to make an entirely new game, like Medieval 2 Total War and with the LoTR mod. The days of those mods are over.

>>378186727
>pirates won't let me buy this game

What?

>>378185012
this. what the hell? why would they even make up some bullshit like that? who says "I only buy car insurance so that it improves my car's performance on track day :)))))))"?

>>378186824
I think it's more that games and engines are becoming less and less mod friendly by design, and not just because DRM plays against it.

How many games in the past decade have been released with a mod toolset or framework?

>>378184986
There are times where you might need to modify the .exe that doesn't include cracks, few and far inbetween but can still be an issue. For example i'd probably be having major ass pain with Dead Space 2 for simply replacing the .exe with a 1.0 version, so as to avoid the dlc weapons in the game currently.

>wanting to kill your SSD

>>378187326
>posting the same old bait

>>378187326
Well, people who buy games fullprice have no problem changing SSD every month or so?

Denovu games dont have cracked updates as others games.

thats why Dishonored 2 didnt get pirated ever, the vanilla game its broken as fuck.

>>378186840
I won't let myself buy a Denuvo game and in this special case the success of pirates would allow me to buy the game. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

>>378187458
dude what

Do pirates have complete control over your wallet or something? Do they only let you buy something when they feel like allowing you to?

>>378187458
Poorfag.

>>378186816
>literally nobody except pirates cared about it

What are you talking about? Plenty of people cared about it because they saw the problems that it was starting to hit the average consumer and convenience was at risk. There were always articles about the impact that those various DRM had on computer performance, as well as the fact that third parties were looking into hijacking those programs for malicious intent.

But why has the fight against Piracy exploded in recent years? Why is it a publicized effort? Because it is FAR easier and wider known these days for the average person and INVESTORS have come to realize this and have put a lot of money on new DRM measures. Devs pretty much don't care, but company investors go crazy at the idea that piracy is so easy. Combine that with the few devs that love to circle jerk themselves about whatever moral crusade they are on and suddenly adding a DRM is a statement, rather then actually trying to ensure sales.

I've known people that would literally spend hundreds of thousands of dollars because Pirates upset them and not just save that money and forgo DRM and still come out on top profit wise. Never underestimate the stupidity of someone on a moral crusade.

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>Denuvo is not DRM, it is anti tamper software.

>>378187458
I bought Rise of the Tomb Raider. It's both the last Tomb Raider, and Denuvo, game I'll ever buy.

>>378187458
I'm actually in the opposite boat as you. I buy literally every game with Denuvo just to support it, even if I don't like the game. I want every game to get Denuvo just to piss off the piratecucks.

>>378187836
It's not a prophylactic. It's an anti-womb-tamper device.

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>>378187947
careful with all these edges

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>>378187947
Good luck with that

>>378187572
I have complete control over my wallet and I only let myself buy something when I allow myself to buy it. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

>>378187947
Heh.

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>>378188090
>I have complete control over my wallet
How did you achieve such power?
Teach me sensei.

>>378188000
t. 12 year old poorfag

>>378188000
Ah hey, it's the SHARK. This fucking weapon is so good in Skyrim it isn't even funny. Like 60 base damage and it's got the Dragon's Bane enchantment on it, but it is innate instead of an actual enchant, so you can use Elemental Fury shout with it. Shame though that the game wasn't made for a 'fist' weapon in mind, so it uses sword animations, makes it look strange on most kill cams.

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>>378188192
Beat it regularly and do not let it talk back.

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I don't like Denuvo because there's always the possibility that a game I like doesn't have enough interest to ever generate a crack, and frankly as a consumer I'm not interested in giving up the ability to just steal games that pull horseshit like having $1100 of DLC like DW8, or have had content stripped from them like GTA:SA

But at least have the fucking nuts to say "We put in Denuvo because it's going to hopefully make us more money and give better sales figures". You don't have to fucking pussyfoot around the point.

>>378184956
are you actually trying to say mankind divided flopped because of denuvo? Are piratefags this fucking deluded?

>>378188628
Why else would it have had poor sales then shithead?

>>378188628
It's not difficult to imagine other people feel the same way. I don't buy Denuvo games out of principle.

>>378188628
You're right. It flopped because of Denuvo and a disastrous pre-order campaign. But mostly Denuvo as hardly anyone mentioned it during release.

>>378188686
It was a bad game. Bad marketing. Bad reviews. A lot of reasons.

>>378188628
>People decide to not buy something because they don't want a poorly designed rootkit on their system
Huh really makes you think.

>>378188628
Every single game that has had Denuvo has flopped horribly, you should recognize this pattern by now.

>>378188874
Those are non-factors when it comes to video game sales.

>>378188686
Because it was incredibly buggy on release and kept crashing within the first hour for most players.

Because it was the opening chapter to a new trilogy with a garbage non-ending that nobody was waiting for.

Because the patches to fix the crashes early on caused loading errors so every time you moved areas there was a chance the entire map failed to load and you'd walk into an empty void.

Because the story itself in that entry wasn't satisfying at all.

Then to top it off, with the announcement the franchise is on hold, there's no reason for anyone to pick it up now after issues might have gotten fixed (they haven't entirely). Since all the game does is set up future games that'll likely never happen.

The game is a shitshow. There are plenty of reasons why it failed.

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>>378188823
Curators help.

>>378188874
>Bad reviews
There's a 5/100 difference between MD and HR according to metacritic, I doubt that caused it to flop.

>>378188628
I never buy Denuvo games as a matter of principle.

>>378188976
See i cant tell if you are actually trolling or just retarded.

>>378188990
Those problems are footnotes barely worth mentioning when compared to Denuvo. There's a reason why Denuvo is called the "AAA Sales Killer".

>>378189097
No Mans Sky had all of those problems, didn't have Denuvo and sold like hotcakes. Denuvo is what kills sales.

>>378189123
No one calls it that, the fuck you talking about? Are you seriously this stupid.

>>378189097
>It was a bad game.
He sure isn't wrong about that one.

>>378189169
No Mans Sky had a remarkable amount of undeserved hype.

>>378189184
Looks like you live under a rock. Not my problem.

>>378189247
Suurrree it did.

>>378189301
>Suurrree it did.
You contest this? Really? The hype is what sold No Man's Sky. The new Deus Ex game did not have any hype.

>>378189123
>Those problems are footnotes barely worth mentioning when compared to Denuvo
>Your counter-argument doesn't exist because I said so.
L
O
L

>>378189384
Hype is another nonfactor. Brink had hype but ended up being a flop.

>>378182068
This is a nice way of saying
>STOP PRAYING OUR GAME WITHOUT PRAYING YOU FILTHY FAGGOTS WE PUT ROTS OF WORK INTO THIS

>>378189480
You're ignorant.

>>378182219
watch your language please

>Buy a game
>It has Denuvo
>Download and install game
>Works instantly
>Don't have to do anything extra
>Beat game
FUCKING DENUVO.

>Buy game locked to Origin, uPlay, or Steamworks
BASED CORPORATE COCK.

>>378189576
I don't deny reality and I'm brutally honest, sorry that I don't sugar coat it.

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>>378189667
You're calling hype a nonfactor in the context of game sales. You are irredeemably ignorant.

>>378184641
the only fucking reasons these kinds of DRMs are used is because shareholders think piracy actually has an impact on sales, and think that putting it on their product will boost the sales

any company that supports denuvo is cancer

>>378189661
>Buy a game
>It has Denuvo
>Download and install game
>Why isn't this working?
>All of my files are being encrypted and that "crack" was actually malware
>Have to pay some filthy Russians 600 USD in bitcoin in order to get my valuable data back

Y-yeah fuck you Buyfags, eat shit!

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>>378189480
>>378189301
So wait, if hype, marketing and revievs are non factors when it comes to video game sales, what the fuck is?

are sales just a roll of the dice?

how the fuck does your deluded mind work?

>>378189732
Do you work in sales? Got any credentials to back up the bullshit you're saying? No? Then sit.

>>378189834
The major factor is whether or not DRM comes into play.

What exactly is so bad about Denuvo? I avoid most games that have it because it's games I don't play anyways but what's so bad about it. I don't like Denuvo because of the philosophy of companies going towards spending money fighting piracy instead of that budget used towards making the game better

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>>378189878
Here. Take a gander at my resume.

>>378189878
Do you have credentials in
>Sales
>Computer science
>Software Engineering
>Statistical Analysis
>Business

If no, then all your posts are moot according to your own words.

>>378189878
he's right though. why do you think events like E3 exist? because marketers want to build hype. why? because hype sells.

>>378189956
SHUT IT DOWN, MODS

>>378189936
Nothing except it's an effective means of stopping piracy. Literally every negative thing about denuvo so far has been conjecture and literally made up shit.

>>378189936
It has a habit of bricking SSDs and reduces hard drive life significantly.

>>378189970
>all of my posts are the previous owner of 4chan
Are you retarded?

>>378190030
see
>>378190035

>>378189936
It's intrusive DRM that obfuscates code running on your machine in order to prevent the game from being pirated. It's got a blank check to do anything to your machine like a rootkit and there's nothing you can do about it.

I don't give any program the ability to hide what it does to something I own.

>>378190105
See
>>378190030
>Literally every negative thing about denuvo so far has been conjecture and literally made up shit.

>>378190105
I have yet to see anybody provide any evidence of it damaging hard drives. If this was actually a thing, fags would be posting it constantly with thread titles such as
>DENUVO SHILLS BTFO

>>378184956
>be indie dev
>buy Denuvo for $10,000
>don't make a profit because very little people bought you're game, not just because they did it out of principal for having Denuvo, but because also because you spent the money you could have used on marketing on fucking Denuvo

>>378189930
So any DRM free shovelware should sell better than AAA games with denuvo, is that what you are saying?

>>378190170
>evidence isn't evidence unless people shove it in my face at every opportunity

Apparently you were not around when Denuvo first came about.

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>>378182219
What if they piss on your leg while it's raining?

>>378190170
There have been threads telling Denuvo shills to fuck off, however they have paid many to silence them.

>>378190228
Not necessarily, that's where those other minor factors come into play.

>>378184641
This. If they're using it, there's a financial reason behind it. Denuvo isn't free and the suits don't like wasting money, /v/ is wrong, as always.

>>378190254
>>378190281
All you had to do was post said evidence, and you don't.

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why not make the game drm free so you don't have to worry about cracks creating issues.

and it'll be less work for them too

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>>378190135
Best answer desu.
There's other things too, but those are things that shills try their best to argue against. Can't really argue against what anon said here.

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>>378190261

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>>378185475
>>378186645

Literally false. Nier Automata had to be fixed by mods and it has Denuvo.

We don't have mods nowadays because of proprietary middleware and devs not releasing or documenting their tools, don't be stupid.

>>378186121
>>378187715

Honestly, as long as Devs are smart and remove it after a set amount of time, or after it gets cracked, then I have ZERO problems with Denuvo existing.

It just means games have a certain window during which sales are guaranteed so publishers don't have to get bitchy about even releasing on the PC in the first place.

I wouldn't be surprised if Denuvo or a good DRM system is one of the reasons the PC getting so many PC ports recently. We know its really useless, but those skittish nip boomer fucks running the publishing houses are probably mortified of piracy on a "moral" or at least ignorant level.

Let the developers waste their time, I trust the hacking powers of autists and russians.

>>378182068
>Cracks can create graphical and aural issues, so we will use Denuvo to prevent cracks.
>If Denuvo is cracked we will ditch it ASAP because..?
what

>>378190254
No it means providing a source to damaged hard drives caused specifically by denuvo

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>>378190354

>>378190324
Burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that might prove our evidence wrong.

>>378189936
It's mostly ideology. I'm a as anti Denuvo as they get but I don't think the software ruin SSDs or drop your FPS in any noticeable way.

It's just a expensive ass consumer antagonistic piece of software. No company would brick my car if I changed the gearbox, I don't see why the games I buy should be constantly checked and bricked if I change anything about them.

>>378190365
>he hasn't heard of the bricked SSDs and the damaged hard drives

Wow, do you not use the internet?

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>>378190442
>>378190493
Lmao. Every fucking time. I love this.

This is the most retarded justification for DRM I've ever read

>>378190493
>he hasn't heard

you don't have any evidence at all. Nothing you can reference or source? not even shitty anecdotes from forums? let alone anything verifiable?

>>378190438
The point is that they're clearly after money when they say they'll stop paying for Denuvo when it gets cracks, but they pretend they're not when they talk about protecting the ~experience~

>>378190475
So mods and unofficial fixes are no-gos with Denuvo? I really like to tweak graphics and remove the logos screens of every game I play.

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>>378190572
Yes, their behavior called autism

>>378190571
>Spoonfeed me!

Either go to >>>/r/ or fuck off to Google.

>>378190493
I also heard that you can get viruses from torrents!
Scary! Right!?

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>>378190365
Someone else can do that. I wasn't the one that made that claim. I do remember seeing the proof back then when Denuvo first came out. People posted several disk management utilities to show the unreasonable amount of writes Denuvo was making to sectors.

They more than likely fixed this issue with later versions of Denuvo to correctly distribute the load so a single chip on an SSD wasn't burned out, but it never altered the amount of times it writes to the drive. It does this because it's much easier to read and alter data in the memory, but if it's writing encrypted data onto the hard drive constantly you're going to have a tougher time intercepting data relevant to cracking the game.

>>378190601
>Unofficial fixes
Did you not see >>378190348? Nier Automata had tweaks and fixes working the first day.

>>378190135
>It's got a blank check to do anything to your machine like a rootkit and there's nothing you can do about it.
What the hecky? How do you even come to a conclusion like this? In a nutshell, Denuvo basically constantly rewrites some bits in the executable file and occasionally sends a message to a server every week or so to validate your purchase. It can't touch anything else in your computer. At most, it will increase CPU and HDD demand.

>>378184641
>>378190316

You are both wrong. They THINK they're losing money with each pirated game. They THINK oh fuck if those thousands-maybe millions of people bought our game, we'd be fucking rich(er).

Instead, they just won't buy the game. This has happened with each and every major denuvo release so far. The hype has been nowhere near as big each and every time.

Piracy doesn't guarantee sales, but it sure doesn't hurt either. Slavs and kids weren't going to buy your game anyway, they can't afford it.

>>378190634
>make a claim
>source?
>wow I'm not providing any evidence to my baseless claims, you google it!
if it was so easy why can't you do it?

>>378190572
>game company is after money

Whoaa..... i never thought they would ask for money for the things they make... so this is the power of greed....

God I love it when pirates get salty.

It's like watching children cry because mommy put the cookie jar on top of the fridge and they can't reach them.

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>>378190348
You don't even have to bring up Nier as an example of Denuvo games having mods.

>>378190681
I don't support spoonfeeder culture.

>>378190571
>Still trying
Anon, stop it. They got BTFO so hard they have to resort to
>It's not my job to prove my claims it's your job!

>>378190707
Doesn't count.

>>378190601
Denuvo depend upon the game files not being changed. So any parts of the game protected by Denuvo is unchangeable. The devs for Planet Coaster have said that Denuvo won't prevent modding (there is no mods yet) so I guess it's possible.

>>378182068
>We're adding anti-piracy DRM to protect pirates
Why not just admit you want money?

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>>378190672
>I'll explain to you exactly how Denuvo's anti-tamper works
>it's really this simple

You're so fucking ignorant it's repulsive to watch. you're literally describing DRM implemented 20 years ago.

>>378184641
I refuse to buy games that use Denuvo. On the other hand, I will support games that don't use Denuvo.

>>378190743
Let's see him prove that Denuvo DOESN'T brick SSD's and hard drives

>>378190783
It IS how it works though.

>>378190680
>They THINK
Who am I going to trust: some dumbfuck mongoloid vtard pulling shit out of his ass or an upper chain manager who actually has access to sales figures (both physical and digital)? Hmm, tough choice.

Again, if they keep spending money on it, it's working. Unlike you, business people aren't retarded, that's why they still have a business in the first place.

>>378190798
Name one game that you have ever supported.

>>378190819
Denuvo themselves said it doesn't :^)

>>378189034
that's the only one I follow, senpai.

>>378190680
But it doesn't matter, because they are morally and legally in the right. They have every reason to try and protect the sales of their product, even if it hurts the consumer. Hell, the only reason the whole "don't put DRM on it at the cost of the consumer" ideology that Gabe used to profess exists is because he said that during a time when everyone thought there would never be a tight and solid DRM solution. Actual economics don't matter in this situation because as long as there isn't a consumer boycott (there won't be) and society doesn't completely crash causing a reset of everything (more likely than the consumer boycott) they aren't losing sales and nobody gets to have an opinion on their product without paying for it.

>>378190680
>You are both wrong. They THINK they're losing money with each pirated game. They THINK oh fuck if those thousands-maybe millions of people bought our game, we'd be fucking rich(er).

I'm not gonna NOT buy a game because it has denuvo, but that's what this all is, suits who don't fucking know shit trying to increase their bottom line.

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>>378190819
You are 200% mad

>>378190846
Explain why a big business like THQ failed then tough guy.

>>378190886
>>378190902
Nice sources buckos. Looks like I've won this one.

>>378190838
You're not understanding. Allow me to try and dumb this down for you. If it were really that simple, it would not be effective as DRM because that method was broken to splinters decades ago.

>>378190890
>muh morals

Morals are just memes.

>>378189818
>>378185790
>I do not understand video games and I even feel angry because, at Nintendo’s shareholders’ meetings, the shareholders always discuss things relating to video games or such childish topics as “what the future of video games should be,” while I, for one, was flabbergasted that Mr. Iwata continues to hold his position although he had said that he would resign if the company’s performance were bad*.
>I hope that Nintendo’s shareholders’ meeting will become an opportunity where the shareholders discuss the company’s business operations from the viewpoints of capital gain and dividends.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/140627qa/02.html
I hate shareholders.

>>378190946
First quote, I was being sarcastic

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>>378190946
You are platinum mad at how BTFO you are.

>>378191024
You wouldn't hate them if you were one of them.

>>378190969
That's why I said they also have a legal right to it. It doesn't matter if you think killing people is totally okay and SHOULD be legal, it isn't, and people have a right to defend against it.

>>378190696
lying to customers is what we call "shoddy business"

>>378191039
Ah, I should have realized with the ":^)". My apologies friend.

>>378191058
>resorting to "umad!???"

Yup, Denuvo shill isn't getting his paycheck with this kind of poor performance.

>>378190904
It sure as hell wasn't because they used Denuvo.

>>378191141
Lying to customers is what we call "business as usual" lately.

>>378182068
90% of the time when a newish game has performance issues, copying the steam folder to somewhere else and applying a crack fixes the issues.

This game is getting slated for poor performance. I guarantee the pirated version will be the best way to play it, which is fucking sad for those people who actually bought it.

>>378191141
>telling customers something that isn't necessarily true is now considered lying

Whoa.. so this is the power of poorfags...

>>378191068
you would only hate them more that way

>>378191168
They probably thought about using it, which could have lead to their downfall.

>>378191217
>lately

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>>378191145
>resorting
I'm running out of images to express how absolutely butt mad you truly are.

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>>378190847
Not him but image related. One of them, sadly, is a Denuvo game but my hype was to great so I had to buy it. I've also supported several games on kickstarter, including Prey of the Gods, FTL, Risk of Rain and The Banner Saga.

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>>378191236
How? Their collective greed in addition to yours just makes you richer. That's all you care about. Money.

>>378191292
*blows cigarillo smoke in your face*
Yup, I'm done here.

>>378191305
>That's all you care about. Money.
And that's why I hate suits. If they cared about what they invested in, I wouldn't mind, but they're literally only after money, and will often change things for the worse to get said money (see: the AAA industry)

>>378191353
*smokes cock while sneering at you*
Looks like I've won this round.

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>>378191353

>>378191304
Also worth mentioning is that a majority of the games is bought via Humble Bundle or similar sites.

>>378191430
When you're holding a diversification of stocks you probably don't give a shit about what the specifics of the business is you just want to know if what they're saying is going to make the stock go up at the end of the day.

I don't mind Denuvo but I'd rather throw money at games that have little or no DRM because I'd rather support the mindset that making good games worthy paying for is what prevent piracy instead of spending money on anti-piracy. Maybe I'm just an idealist

>>378191473
So you've literally supported nobody.

>>378190954
That's why I said in a nutshell. It IS how it works. It is not a rootkit and there's no way it can be described as a blank check. There are several layers more to it, such as VMProtect + CPU and HWID checks. This in turn means you need more than just a crack, but more of an emulation. If you need help understanding, I can help you out. No, this will not allow Russians to use your computer as a bitminer.

>>378190890
>It's moral and ethical to potentially damage other people's personal property to prevent people from going near it
That's not how it works.

>>378191305
a friend of the devil aint no friend of mine
we might be getting drunk of the same koolaid, but I'll be damned before I share my cup

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>>378191696
I don't trust programs with no transparency. I don't financially support the practice of creating programs that obfuscate or encrypt anything on my machine. That's a step in the wrong direction.

>Obtrusive DRM sprouting up everywhere. It seems like every company needs to have their own download store
>People eat it up and will refuse to buy anywhere but Steam.

>Game has Denuvo
>People will refuse to buy the game out of spite
Now that's confusing.

>>378191754
You know that's not how it is legally defined.

>>378191532
>Maybe I'm just an idealist
Well yeah, modern vidya is too copy pastat stale shit. No one does anything original, and the ones that do sell poorly because normies are only aware of COD: 56: More Guns style games.
In short, REEEEEEEEEE

>>378191535
Is it that hard to believe that I'm willing to pay more that I'm forced to for something I believe in? At least try to understand the opinion you're arguing against.

>>378191931
It is thanks to the EULA you have to sign for it. ;^)

>>378192024
It was never your property to begin with, you are buying copies of an album, or game, or movie, but the actual content is always held by the company itself.

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>>378191914
>I don't trust programs with no transparency.
any modern engine support 32ARGB textures and transparency dumb nigger

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>>378192145
I'm sure you thought that was funny. It wasn't.

>>378192218
>got told
>pretend he wasnt

>>378192252
You know full well what transparency means in that context.

>>378192094
>He actually believes this
Good goy.

>>378192482
No, it's not like that's how the law sees it at all or not.

>>378191535
Do you honestly think pirates never buy games? I have a cracked 3DS and I still own 50+ ds/3ds games, including a lot of JRPGs which I paid full price or more for.

I have over 400 games on steam but I still pirated rimworld because I wanted to play it and the price was too high. The only people who ONLY pirate are poor people from places like Russia/South America.

>>378192562
I can claim I own you and make you sign documents affirming that. Doesn't mean I actually do, fucking cuck.

>>378188628
I would actually argue that Denuvo heavily reduces word of mouth. Look at Prey. Before it was cracked, /v/ shat on it like crazy, whereas when it got cracked, there was nothing but praise, as people realized it's good. The game had no presence due to low word of mouth, which likely severely lowered sales.

>>378182068
What the fuck is RiME tho?

>>378186824
Not really. Is quite the opposite actually. Game deving is so ridiculously easy now people would rather make their own than to waste hours and hours on a dead mod.

>>378192989
Ico/Last Guardina clone with puzzles

>>378193072
So weeb shit, into the bin it goes

>>378192989
one of them journey likes.

It's common to see people on /v/ pirating single-player games while buying multi-player company-server-dependent games, pirating PC games while buying PS4 games, and other examples of copy-protection successfully diverting money away from competitors.

>>378184956

You wrote "no" to disagree with >>378184641 and then immediately wrote a point that supports his claim.
Why is /v/ a black hole of intellectual integrity?

>>378193606
Because there's no consequence for being a braindead shitter.

>>378193149
It's actually very uncommon to see people on /v/ pirate or buy games. Most of the time they just talk about what they're doing and don't show themselves doing it.

>>378182219
you've never seen pirated games have problems with sound and graphics? it happens all the time

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Barring the piracy debate, isn't there a Switch version coming out for this game? Do you think it would run better on that - because Steam reviews keep saying it's unoptimized and my laptop might as well be a toaster.

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>>378194140
My experience with pirated games is you need to take a minute to research whether any patches need to be applied and subsequently patched as well otherwise the game will give you issues. If the game is already prone to crashing many people who ignorantly pirate just blame the crack instead of the shitty developers.

>>378194319
It may run decentish at 30fps probably but will look worse

>>378194363
...subsequently cracked*

>>378186620
Haha you're retarded faggot kys

>>378194140
give 1 notable example in the past 5 years

>>378194140
Have you tried not downloading shit Russian repacks at 1/10 size with bitcoin miners?

>>378194319
Probably

>>378184052
I don't follow this logic at all. people I know (normies) don't double check if the new fotm game has some form or drm or not and if so what company it's from.

Even I didn't give a fuck and wouldn't know most games have denuvo until I read it here.

It's maximum autism. I'm not defending denuvo I know it's shit but normies buy new shit when it's new, that's when it's hot and people are talking about it. Normies don't wait 3 weeks for a torrent because then their friends will already be playing the next thing

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>>378195065
It's expensive to give a fuck what other people think.

I don't really get why companies want to even use denuvo. it seems like a really big waste of money. I wonder if the board members are willing to lose out on money that they could have for themselves by paying for expensive software like denuvo which they also need to keep paying for months after a game is released.

>>378190847
Not him, but I've bought games from the soulsborne series multiple times on two systems for both me and my friend, and will buy again later. Not to mention the good indies.

>>378190729
Or you're just a lazy cunt.

>>378194140
>Bethesda releases Fallout 3
>It has special anti-pirate software that causes very random crashes
>Patched it
>It happens to everyone
>They never fix it
buyfags.jpg

>>378189936
Shady coding to hide the game files but also hide potential malwares devs could put there just for a side gig as data brokers

Get ready for
>if you have nothing to hide you got nothing to lose
people

>>378191235
Telling anyone what you know isan't true is lying.

Are you falseflagging as a retard for epin yous or are you actually mental fucktarded ?

>>378195971

>some companies might risk legal hell and total bankruptcy to collect data that Microsoft and google already sold to everyone.

>>378196236
>>378195971
nobody cares about your furry porn, faggots

>>378196236
Oh look, its our friend the 'two wrongs makes it right' guy, hey, haven't seen you in a while.

>>378196374

It's our neighborhood shitposter, "Completely Illiterate Man".

>>378196460
yeah i just noticed i fucked that up, i am kinda tired gotta go to bed...
good night.

don't support denuovo.
see ya

>>378182068
WAAAAAH THEYRE PUTTING STUFF ON MY GAMES THAT I DONT LIKE WAAAAAH

Nobodys gonna take your games away, little boy, now calm your autism

>>378196845
This post was made by a schizo.

>>378196930
Or a leaf

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>>378196845
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

>>378197019
>>378196930

fuck off /pol/

>>378194587

How do those repacks do it anyway? I'm not super tech savvy but it's always a hit and miss.

>>378184641
The argument that "businesses wouldn't do something stupid, therefore all things a business does must be smart" has always boggled my mind. United Airlines had a man beaten and dragged off their airplane because they wanted to make room for an employee. That passenger sued the shit out of them, and United Airlines was so eager to bury the PR clusterfuck that they settled for an undisclosed sum of money that had the passenger's lawyers singing and dancing at their press conference (slight exaggeration). Do you know what the smart thing would have been to do in that situation? Pick someone and offer to pay them to get off the plane. If they had said no, pick someone else and offer to pay them more. Repeat until someone gets off. That would have been cheaper than having to settle a lawsuit.

Businesses do stupid shit all the time. They are run by ordinary people who think stupid things and are persuaded by stupid arguments. Management are often too far removed from the actual day-to-day work to do any sort of hands-on evaluation of what is and isn't effective, and so instead performance is often measured by generalized metrics and processes that were - you guessed it - crafted by ordinary people who think stupid things and are persuaded by stupid arguments. And those metrics and processes are often not helpful.

Take the United Airlines beating, for example - they actually did offer to pay a passenger to vacate their seat, but it wasn't enough. The reason the employees didn't simply continue to jack up the price until the problem solved itself was because it would have put a little red number in a ledger somewhere that someone would have had to explain to their boss. It was easier to simply pass the buck by calling security/police - another department entirely. And the end result was that the company got handed its ass paying to make the problem go away, all so some mid-level manager could make the red numbers smaller - just like his boss taught him.

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>>378198672
Good post, but nobody's going to read it.

Denuvo win again boyz

Get fucked pirates

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>mfw it literally doesn't fucking matter because all relevant denuvo games get cracked within a week anyway

Unless they're big AAA publishers then Devs especially indie ones are just wasting their money on Denuvo.

>>378200487
yah like Dishonored 2
ina week

>>378197175
A lot of games come with uncompressed sound/video, so they just go in an compress those/cut out shit that isn't needed (like intro videos)

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>>378200696
I said relevant games

>>378200791
>I cant provide argument so I just meme^)
sure told me
no go play your relevant 2dark

>>378200791
Hahahaha, the usual 'this thing doesn't count because I said so'.
By your idiotic logic Mass Effect Andromeda is 'relevant' while Dishonored 2 isn't.
That's all that needs to be said about your retarded argument.

>>378198672
>Pick someone and offer to pay them to get off the plane. If they had said no, pick someone else and offer to pay them more. Repeat until someone gets off. That would have been cheaper than having to settle a lawsuit.
United did that. Nobody was taking the money after a bunch of offers.
It was still fucked up but it's not like they just dragged him off the plane first thing without trying anything else first.

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>>378200890
>>378201138
Are you upset that every Denuvo game people actually want to play gets cracked in 1-2 weeks now?

God you Denuvofags are pathetic.

>>378182068
I mean their reasoning is stupid as fuck, but honestly I think this is the way devs should handle shit like denuvo. a majority of a game's sales usually come from those initial first few weeks. and that's from people who don't give a shit about thinks like denuvo so they're not affected by it while it does its job of slowing down pirated copies for a bit. and then once it's cracked denuvo has served its purpose and should be removed to prevent complications in the future

>>378194140
Pirated versions are literally identical to the original. Fuck off, shill.

>>378191024
This post makes me unreasonably angry.

>>378195432
>I don't really get why companies want to even use denuvo.
A game without denuvo can potentially be pirated and lead to lost sales.
A game with denuvo can not lose sales to piracy (so long as it remains uncracked).

Most sales (like 75% of lifetime sales in most cases) happen in the first 4-8 weeks of a game releasing. If you protect those precious 4-8 weeks you protect most of your profits.

You can disagree with that all you want but that's how they see it and why they continue to do it.

>>378184052
People probably weren't going to buy it anyway if Denuvo os what just so happened to 180 their decision

>>378194140
Yup. When I used to pirate games I couldn't help but notice games were half broken half of the time.

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Day of the gulag when?

>>378184986

Remember Darkspore ? Probably not.

>>378189626
how dare you reply to me?

>>378203123
Communists should be fucking round up and shot.
t. East yuro

>>378185308
Probably those shitty scene repacks that take longer to install than to finish playing.

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>>378203661
Fuck off

>>378203854
Redistribute a bullet into your brain, you subhuman piece of red-stained shit.

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>>378203913
Stay mad

>>378204001
I'd fuck that red loli

>>378203123
It's funny everytime I see something dressing [[anything]] as an anime girl being enough to fully convert the autists over.

Just like rap and wiggers.

>>378203854
Nah you're right, organised slaughter, total media monopoly and property theft isn't so bad after all.

What does "anti-tamper" supoosed to mean?

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>>378204001
>>378203661
>mfw people who lived under Communism >>378203661 absolutely hate it
>But some retarded anime posting middle-class white kid knows better clearly

>>378204441
This.

>>378204087
Who wouldnt?

>>378204441
Let's just apply Communism to software specifically.

>>378205067
You mean make everything free so your dumb ass doesn't have to pay for it or find a torrent site?

>>378204441
>a guy on /v/ lived under communism
You're pretty good yourself.

>>378205227
That's right. That way the shitty game producing devs will go bankrupt, so it's a win/win.

>>378184672
No. Big devs get denuvo because they want to show investors that their ip is protected. Indie devs get denuvo because they're fucking dumb.

It's simple as that

>>378205324
LSSR, Kurzemes Novads, town of Liepāja. A M fucking A.

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>>378205565
>because they're fucking dumb

Wow anon, that sounded so hot

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>>378203661
>t. East yuro
Don't worry, my "European" friend. When Murika forces us to go nuclear in a decade or so and we liberate your shithole again, we won't bother with instilling communism or building infrastructure in your non-country, we'll just sack everything and rape your women, just as you expect us to ;)

t. Russian.

>>378205565

Name me an indie dev that had enough money to even afford Denuvo.

>>378182068
Its going to get cracked within a week though

>>378205693
Were you old enough to remember anything significant?

so what exactly is the problem with denuvo? is it intrusive in some way? why does everyone freak out over a game using it if they were going to buy it anyway?

>>378205941
Earliest memory is in '84 when my mother said she had to drive to the SSR down south of us because there was literally no food to buy in our town.

>>378206037
>if they were going to buy it anyway
Denuvo convinces many people to not buy a game they were going to buy otherwise.

It convinces exactly nobody to buy a game. It adds nothing for the consumer. It only takes away. Performance is affected negatively (inb4 people saying prove it, use your brains). Hardware is taxed (drives are being written to constantly which is not good for the lifespan of SSDs).

>>378206339
>It convinces exactly nobody to buy a game.
Not him, but you keep saying that, as if you have actually statistics-based arguments to support your retarded claim. You don't, and any anecdotal evidence you can come up with is irrelevant. The devs keep using Denuvo, which means that it's worth using despite the sperging out of mongoloids like you.

>>378206037
Remember Securom?
This is basically the same shit

>>378206607
You don't have anything to back up your claims either, other then suppositions, anon.

>>378182068
>We are using Devuno not to fight piracy at the expense of our customers, but to preserve the game! Also, if it's cracked we will immediately remove it so the customers get a version as good as the pirates.

Makes sense if you just turn your brain off.

>>378205739
fuck off you retarded proto nigger and stop bullying our european brothers

t. Russian

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>>378182068
>implement Denuvo cancer after game is cracked
>...so as to punish(?) paying players

you cannot develop this kind of autism outside of laboratory conditions -- nope

>>378206616
Devuno is nothing like Securom. You don't have to misrepresent it to show why it's bad.

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>>378183183
>quite simply people will buy the game out of frustration rather than waiting for the game to be cracked
you're quite the simpleton if you genuinely believe that

>>378207083
Learn to read you fucking retard, they're saying they'll get rid of Denuvo if it gets cracked.

>>378182068
What the fuck is rime

First I'm hearing of this

>>378189936
I share your rationale. If it's money not spent on making the game better or increasing the games exposure it's wasteful spending that does not improve my experience as a consumer.

>>378185630
>Yes their goal is to hinder piracy...to increase sales. If they were losing sales they wouldn't use Denuvo

Tell that to Ubisoft a decade ago, when their "very successful" DRM campaign cost them 90% of their PC consumer base.

>>378207048
>t. Russian
More like liberal cancer. Don't worry, your type will be the first one to hang when shit hits the fan.

Is there even any kind of research how piracy hurts sales? I mean, I buy games even if I pirate them, I just don't buy what I didn't like.Sort of demos.
>piracy helps people check if the game will run on their PCs/if it's good/if it's worth it
but
>Piracy makes people not buy games!1!11
but
>Aren't pirates a minority in gaming community? Aren't some of those people unwilling to buy games no matter if it's pirated or not?
I wish I could say with clear concience that piracy isn't significant enough for any game to make some crappy DRMs, but I don't have any arguments.
(BTW guys communism is shitty, but this is /v/, so, y'know, stahp it)

>>378206339
but why does it convince people to not buy the game? what does it change? do you have to play with a big denuvo watermark in the corner?

>>378198672
This. Anyone that has ever worked for a large company would know this. I work for a casino. Our biggest game in terms of raking in money is baccarat. Punters playing baccarat will often take up to two minutes to decide what they're going to bet and finish placing their bets. Management finds that the shoes (multiple decks of cards that are mixed together and dealt from in one batch) are being finished slowly. So they put timers on the tables, and tell the dealers to deal the next hand every 20 seconds, believing that the dealers are wasting time by waiting for bets to be placed and the punters will put their bets down in this time frame. What do you think happens? The punters stop putting bets down at all because they don't like to be rushed, and revenue drops. We're also wasting more money because the shoes are being dealt faster and so need to be checked and disposed of more often.

In short companies are retarded and the people making the decisions have no clue about the actual impact of those decisions.

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>>378195065
Normies don't play games aimed at enthusiasts, and enthusiasts are more discerning in their purchases.

>>378202831
Fuck you.

>Bunch of pirates bitching about Denuvo
>Contribute literally 0% incentive to develop and publish games

Grand majority of opinions in this thread are worthless on principal, piratefag arguments are null.

>>378190767
Care to reason why?

>>378199000
That's because no one here is interested in truth or reality or anything tangible. It's just spiteful shitposting for entertainment.

>>378210641
>Total War Warhammer uses Denuvo
>Has literally thousands of mods, overhauls, graphical enhancements or tweaks

You children are fucking retarded.

>>378210768
It breaks your heart, doesn't it?

4chan was the original fidget spinner all along.

>>378209476
One less scrub for us to deal with.

>>378188263
We need to talk about that memecenter watermark.

>>378202831
I specifically didn't buy ABZU because it had Denuvo. I can't speak for all consumers, but I try to research what I buy and hold the products I wish to purchase to certain standards.

I personally think Denuvo is bad for the industry, and I show this buy not giving any money to it or any game that is going to use it.

>>378210880
All opinions here are equally worthless. You sound like you two consider yourselves correct, just remember that you are a fucking idiot to use this website and every smart idea you have while you stare at this screen is an illusion.

>>378210951
Have fun with your sub 200 concurrent players, faggot.

>>378182068
load of bullshit

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>>378210791
k

https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

>>378211098
Such is the price of rooting out the trash.

>>378211098
Joke's on you, I actually have real-life friends to play with. Enjoy your... wait, what was it you had again? Oh, right, nothing.

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>>378211070
Thanks for clarifying that.

>>378202734
Which is dumb because pirates weren't going to buy the game to begin with. It doesn't increase the sales they would have gotten without it. Pirates have no intention of buying the product. They will not buy it. Nothing will force them to buy it. Even if some do I bet it be less than 50 people who broke down to buy it which is nothing

>>378207314
Hopefully the last too

>>378194587
those repacks are infected?
Fuck...

>>378211345
fitgirl ones are

>>378211463
Damn, i have a few fitgirl repacked games. What about CorePack?

>>378183183
>out of frustration rather than waiting

I never understood this. There is so much fucking media out there today that it is literally impossible to consume it all. Waiting means nothing in this day and age. Just play, watch, read something different.

>>378210636
>muh pirates
How do you know? I could assume all pro Denuvo posters are paid company shills but I won't because that would be an equally retarded assumption.

>>378211463
>>378211608
No they are not
Both Fitgirl and corepack are fine

>>378211983
t. fit"girl"

>>378197175
Data compression
Takes time to unpack/install but really cuts down the size
And sometimes also reencoded video (pre rendered cutscenes) and audio (uncompressed audio files were a mistake)

It's fun watching the same old DRM arguments from years ago being played out again.

>>378211463
>>378211608
>>378211983
2spooky4you