Vidya LUDO

I find MGS2 to be the most fucking scary game ever. Of how much fucking things it predicted and of stuff that could happen.

>>378157754
It was MGS2 for me too, actually. But I didn't realize it's true message until I started browsing 4chan, ironically.

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>>378157754
Lets get this out the way OP

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>>378157889
MGS 2 DIDN'T FUCKING PREDICT, YOU GOD DAMN RETARD

FUCK

I HATE THIS FUCKING MEME

HALF OF JAPAN ALREADY OWNED A MOBILE PHONE WITH ACCESS TO THE INTERNET WHEN THE GAME CAME OUT

THAT SHIT WAS HAPPENING THERE REGULARLY

THEY DIDN'T FUCKING PREDICT SHIT

FUCK YOU

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>>378157754
So was it actually all a simulation or just parts?

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>>378158085
Keep dreaming dude.

So what was actually the message?

>>378158251
Again, that was already happening in Japan by the time the game was made. Kojima wasn't warning you of shit, merely reporting on what was already happening.

Inform yourself

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This is probably the only game that i would consider art. Because if your critique ''modern art'' you also have to take into account what the art represents inside and outside the art museum. This game does that as well.

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>>378157754
>MGS2
>Ludo

>>378158664
whatever you say friend

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>>378158007
>western shit with thhe typical terrible gameplay
>LUDO
HAHAHHA

>>378157754
Tetris.

the Talos Principle. MGS2 is just some guys ideas about the internet put into a pretty bland anime

>>378158896
b8

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>>378158896
>RPG shit
>being even close to good games

>>378157754
MGS2 was shit.

>>378158085
it predicted tho

>>378159139
You are a fucking idiot.

>>378159371
I'm not though. the Talos Principle is the best game ever made. MGS2 is just a shitty way to present a fairly interesting theory. TTP is a fantastic way to convey an idea

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>>378158896
>mgs4

>>378159625
I take it back. You aren't a fucking idiot. You are an incredible fucking idiot.

>>378158896
Actually it goes like this:

ABSOLUTE LUDOGRAPHY
La Soufrance Phantomatique (2015, Kojima)
Les Fils de Liberté (2001, Kojima)
Gone Home (2013, Gaynor)
Meтpo двaдцaть тpи тpидцaть (2010, Prohorov)
俄罗斯方块 (1984, Pajitnov)

LUDO
Wiedźmin 3: Dziki Gon (2015, Tomaszkiewicz)
Den sidste af os (2013, Druckmann)
чyвaк Пoл (2000, Spector)
Donker Siele (2011, Miyazaki)
ペルソナ五(2016, Hashino)

EXPERIENCES
Silent Hill 2 (2001, Tsuboyama)
Bio Lama Filaan ah Waynyahay(2013, Levine)
Sulmuesja e Varrit(1996, Gard)
Osud(1993, Romero)
Hello: Kampf Entwickelte Sich (2001, Jones)

VIDEO GAMES
NieR(2010, Taro)
Sobre Rellotge (2016, Kaplan)
Codul Asasinului Unitate(2014, Amancio)
Stealy Wheely Automobiley the Fifth(2013, Houser)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017, Miyamoto)

VIDYA
Xoc del Sistema II (1999, Levine)
የብረት ማርሽ ጠንካራ መነሣት(2013, Saito)
Bloodborne(2015, Myiazaki)
Le Fantasme Finale Sept (1997, Kitase)
The Walking Dead (2012, Vanaman)

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>>378160515
>የብረት ማርሽ ጠንካራ መነሣት(2013, Saito)
I can't read these moon runes.

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>>378158126
It doesn't matter if they were real or not, that's never the point.

>>378157754
>>378158896

>>378160383
shit taste

>>378160515
>Bloodborne
It's called Blutgeburt you fucking pleb

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>>378158126
>So was it actually all a simulation or just parts?

None of it was a simulation MGS4 confirmed that.

>>378160515
Companies really need to start putting directors in the poster and boxes of games.

>>378157754
Nice bait.

>>378161414
then what is the "point" of MGS2?

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MGS2 is literally the only video game I can think of that comes close to being called art. Its also a good example on why you should never give into fan desires. Any other schmuck would make the game a complete Solid Snake wank fest

>>378163826
>Any other schmuck would make the game a complete Solid Snake wank fest

instead MGS2 marketed itself as a Solid Snake wankfest and we got a clusterfuck starting a whiny JRPG pretty boy while Snake is regulated to NPC status

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>>378160515
>Stealy Wheely Automobiley the Fifth

>>378163398
That you shouldn't live vicariously through video games, and be your own individual.

That overabundance of information is just as dangerous as it is liberating.

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>>378163398
It's for you to decide. It's up to you.

>>378163983
16 years later, and you're still butthurt, and you're still missing the point entirely.

Raiden's a dork because you're a dork. You're not Solid Snake, fuccboi.

>>378164657
>Raiden's a dork because you're a dork
this bullshit?

>>378164578
>It's for you to decide. It's up to you.
so what if I thought MGS2 was pointless? (especially now considering the existence of MGS4)

>>378164843
>so what if I thought MGS2 was pointless?
then you missed the point

>>378158896
>MGS4
>gameplay

>>378164935
even if the point was it being pointless?

>>378164657
>Raiden's a dork because you're a dork. You're not Solid Snake, fuccboi.
so it's a video game against video games? did the cineast kojima also spend his days watching cctv footage from dentists offices?

>>378165190
thats a contradiction

>>378163983
Literally the whole point was to exploit your expectations of what a MGS2 would be.
MGS3 was made to appease the people that cried over it.

>>378165378
no it's the fucking Witness

>>378165415
>MGS3 was made to appease the people that cried over it.

so it was made to apologize to the fanbase they lied to in MGS2?

>>378163983
>>378164509
>>378164657
>>378164843

That anon is right, the fact that people are still getting triggered by Raiden is exactly why MGS2 is the true masterpiece of the series.

>>378165965
>false advertising is why MGS2 is great!

this is all I am getting from your post

>>378165802
are you still upset?

>>378166060
Stay cucked, crybaby. Sorry you couldn't use MGS as an escapist fantasy anymore.

>>378157754
I only know that it really motivated me to leave behind a progeny, even more so than MGS1.

>>378166060
But it is

>>378166103
>are you still upset?
I am annoyed that the game lied to the fanbase's face and yet that very thread shows that some rolled over and accepted it.

>>378166184
A game should not be great because of false advertising

>>378166123
>buy something
>it is something else that I don't want
>haha why don't you like getting cucked anon

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>>378159139
>the Talos Principle

>>378166296
>A game should not be great because of false advertising
and yet it is

>>378157754
I was way to young when i played mgs2.

>>378166495
how, exactly, does false advertisement make MGS2 "great"?

>>378166364
The game is entirely about subverting player expectations of a metal gear solid sequel, you think they could have freely advertised that without ruining its impact?

>a bloo bloo bloo why can't I be le ebin badass soriddu snakku!!!

neck yourself as soon as possible my man

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>>378163826
>Art
Immaculate taste anon

>>378160515
This joke is too advance for me

>>378157754

MGS2 had a pretty interesting message and the first and last quarters were gripping, but the majority of the gameplay was trash and the general standard of writing was poor.

The Phantom Pain is GOAT

>>378166574
that would be cute if they hadn't charged money for it

>>378157889
retard

all the themes from mgs2 were alreadty common in jap fiction back in the 90s, it's a rehash

>>378166680
Tell me how the writing was poor.

>>378166818
stay mad, autist

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>>378166296
>>378166364
Holy shit, you are pitiful. There is no way that someone in their twenties or thirties would still be this upset over not getting to play as "muh Solid Snake" 16 years after the fact. And there's no reason for some teenager who was either in diapers or his father's nutsack when the game was released to be upset about how it was advertised.

Step away from your monitor, go take a long, hard look in the mirror and reevaluate yourself.

>>378166889
>>378166680
Fuck that, how was the gameplay trash?

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>>378166574
>a bloo bloo bloo why can't I be le ebin badass soriddu snakku!!!

Just because people hated Raiden doesn't mean they wanted Snake back

>>378166060
>>378166296

Im genuinely not taking the piss or trying to annoy you or anything, but every post you make makes me appreciate MGS2 more and more.

Literally art.

>>378166958
lul fakin rekt your favorite vidya a shit

>>378160515
>Stealy Wheely Automobiley the Fifth(2013, Houser)

oh fuck

>>378167030
>get tricked into buying a shitgame
>no, literally tricked
>autists constantly spamming what a fucking masterpiece that particular pile of dogshit was
it is triggering desu

>>378157754
if you take any videogame seriously you are a dumbfuck.

>>378166572
uplug keyboard

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>>378167030
>this upset over not getting to play as "muh Solid Snake"

see>>378167046

this is always the kneejerk reaction whenever someone badmotuhs MGS2 Raiden

>>378167046
People who hate Raiden specifically:

1) Didn't appreciate Quinton Flynn's performance (and rightfully so)
2) Hate playing as bishie looking characters
3) Didn't get the plot

>>378167046
No, that's exactly what they wanted. You can be disingenuous and deny it all that you want.

And Raiden was supposed to be a dork. If he was just as cool as Snake, it would have defeated the purpose entirely.

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>>378167307
>no argument

figures

>>378157754
>changed the way you think and perceive the world

Mirror's Edge had me looking at every piece of architecture and parked cars and rooftop differently. Literally got me to start doing parkour.

I played Braid for the first time while I was in Calculus for the first time, so I got my mind blown while I had my mind blown. Both Calc and Braid (really combined) the way I saw myself and the way I was framing the world around me.

The only other ones I can think of are Jagged Alliance and Duke Nukem 3D (teamwork, and architecture, respectively)

>>378167439
it was a statement

>>378167438
>And Raiden was supposed to be a dork.
I get that but where does that translated into "he represents the player" bullshit the fanbase loves to spout

>>378167560
but not an argument to counter the question in >>378166572's post of
>how, exactly, does false advertisement make MGS2 "great"?

>>378167651
because you, clearly, are also a dork

>>378167030
>Gets mad about an anonymous persons likeness of a game
>Proceeds to talk about why it's childish to get mad about shit that doesn't matter
Really fires up the almonds

>>378158007
>Bloodborne
>LUDO

Fuck off, Soulsfag. Your game series is garbage.

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>>378160515
Where's Fallout 4????

>>378167878
Perhaps "personal perception" differs from person to person
Secondly the "goodness" of a game is subjective and it doesn't determine the value taken from it

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>>378167651
He literally wears dog tags with your name and info on it. He has played every other Metal Gear game leading up to this one, and it is his only viewpoint of the world. He has pretend relationships with fictional characters and idolizes Snake.

I'm typically in favour of reader response and interpretation but if you think him representing the player is bullshit then you are just wrong.

>>378168132
>He literally wears dog tags with your name and info on it.

Easter Egg. Not relevant.

>>378166572
Because Kojima is incorporating it into the narrative and experience by using it to subvert the player's expectations. Using the medium's existence as a marketable product to manipulate the audience is a pretty novel concept, and he uses it to accomplish something that's really only possible in a video game by exploring the relationship between the player and the protagonist.

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>>378168174
If that's what you choose to believe then I can't help you

>>378168262
>exploring the relationship between the player and the protagonist.

except there is none.

>>378168341
>If that's what you choose to believe then I can't help you
What else could the easter egg be?

>>378167651
He literally played a VR simulation of the Shadow Moses incident (i.e. MGS) for his training. >>378168174
Right, that's why he throws them away right as Snake as giving that monologue at the end about leading your own life and choosing things for yourself. You're fucking retarded.

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Having Raiden fail at almost completely everything he set out to do, to prove some philosophical point might have been smart storytelling but it really wasnt any fucking fun.
I know that was the point, but part of the point of a game in the first place is to be fun. The effect was magnified tenfold in ZoE2, where he seemed only to want to try and make some smart-alec contrarianist game where you feel no accomplishment.

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>>378168174

>>378167740
God bless you anon.

>>378167651
Because just like him, you're a faggot.

>>378168557
The hell? ZoE2 is fun as shit.

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>>378158896
High quality bait. You always got me, you little rascal.

>>378158896
MGS4 is more kino than ludo desu.

MGS3 would be ludo.

>>378168432
>What else could the easter egg be?

>Raiden is a dumb whiny brat who desperately wants to be Solid Snake
>Raised on video games, literally played MGS1 just like you did
>Has your name on his dog tags, and when the game ends he throws them off, symbolizing that he's now free of the player's control

How can you not be getting this? You're like the dumb kid who didn't understand Moby Dick in English class so you shouted NUH-UH YOUR ANALYSIS IS DUMB THE AUTHOR DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE BOOK DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING YOU'RE STUPID!!!!

>>378168432
>except there is none.
What do you mean by this? No, seriously.

Are you denying that there's any kind of relationship between the player and the protagonist? Because that's just laughably absurd. You're coming across as incredibly uneducated and immature.

>>378168557
I unironically liked the plant chapter.

>>378168819
>Are you denying that there's any kind of relationship between the player and the protagonist?

yes

>>378168960
Then explain what your weird fixation and dependency on Solid Snake is.

>>378169132
>Then explain what your weird fixation and dependency on Solid Snake is.

He is a good character. Raiden was not a good character until MGR

>>378168827
Did you enjoy defusing those bombs? oh wait you didnt get them all, you fucked up.
Did you enjoy saving E.E.? Oh wait you didnt you fucked it up.
Did you enjoy beating vamp? lol nah hes fine.
Did you enjoy slipping over in bird shit like a retard?
Did you enjoy killing the president and fucking America in the ass? Actually well done on that count.

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>>378168432
I would hear an argument for calling it an Easter Egg. To claim it is simply an Easter Egg and nothing more though would be foolish. There's just too much evidence and too many other references to the player with regards to Raiden for the dog tags to be irrelevant to his role as representing the player.

I'm suspicious of your replies. I believe you are feigning ignorance for (you)s. Regardless I am enjoying the creative process of writing these paragraphs.

>>378169257
>Raiden was not a good character until MGR
Even if that were true, it wouldn't explain why you're so irrationally butthurt about it. The fact that you're bringing up Raiden's character in MGR is incredibly telling.

>>378169430
because it's just a simple thing of the game recognizing that you entered your name earlier in the game

>>378169471
because Raiden was a shitty excuse of a main character that it was a fucking insult
> The fact that you're bringing up Raiden's character in MGR is incredibly telling.
it's when he finally got likeable. He was a bit too emo in MGS4 but still better than his shitty MGS2 self

>>378169770
>the merit of a character is how "le badass" they are
>unironically using "emo" to describe a character

Kill yourself, you child.

>>378169428
Listen your response to this will probably be "but games are supposed to be fun" and you may well be right (and I do think for that reason talking about games as though they are art is a pretty difficult thing) but art is not meant to just entertain you or please you, it is meant to provoke you and challenge you in some way. You are supposed to feel frustrated by all those failings. You're supposed to be annoyed that you're not Solid Snake.

Does that make for a fun game? Up to you, but the thread is about MGS2 as a work of art, and I genuinely think it holds up as a piece of art evoking exactly the response in people it intended to. See that other triggered anon in this thread.

>>378169770
>it's when he finally got likeable
"Cool", in other words.

You're exactly the type of player Kojima was aiming at.

>>378169918
I never said badass. I said good.

>>378169428
>if gameplay doesn't make me achieve things I absolutely want it's not actually fun

You probably went ballistic when you couldn't shoot Fortune.

>>378170447
Adding in random emotive words wont work when trying to feign my temperament.
I had fun for a while trying out lots of different ways to try and damage her.
Then i was dissapointed that no matter what i did nothing worked.

I understand your viewpoints, i often use RE1 as an example of a game thats not fun but is a great game. Its all manner of horrible things, but still widely acclaimed as one of the greatest games of all time. I think MGS2 took it too far, it succeeded in being art but failed at being a game.

>>378170153
It's pretty clear what "good" means to you.

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>>378169770
In seeing it that way you are willfully ignoring other pieces of information and the implications of that information.

What would be the point of simply recognizing that you entered your name, age and country earlier in the game? What purpose does it serve? If it were as simple as that, why would it even be considered an Easter Egg? Why is it referenced when it is? Why does your ability to skip cutscenes, or control anything, cease after he throws the dog tags away? And so on.

Your claim of it being simply an Easter Egg raises too many questions and I imagine it would be European-Extremely difficult to answer them without conceding that Raiden is a representation of the player and that the dog tags are a piece of evidence to corroborate that.

>>378157754
yes superman 64 made me want to fly through rings

>>378171174
MGS2 was a sub-par experience so I started zoning out near the end and the only thing that caught my eye was seeing Hideo's name on the dogtag.

Everything else, I stopped caring about after the Arsenal Gear shit. Fuck Raiden, fuck Rose, fuck the AI going bonkers, fuck the shitty boss fights. I wanted this game to end.

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>>378171437
If that is truly the case then how can you confidently make claims about meaning and intent? If you are the person I have been replying to, an admittance like this puts your claim on even shakier ground.

As for the rest of your post, there's not much I can say. I'm not very interested in your opinion on the events of the game or about the game as a whole. You don't make any arguments for them either so there's nothing to even refute.

If it's worth anything though, I would recommend giving it another go in the future with an open mind, if only for the reasons of my previous posts.

>>378171437
>I didn't pay attention but I can say for certain what was and wasn't an easter egg
what the fuck man

>>378172160
So what was with those map nodes anyway? Was it just meant to be a nuisance?

>>378172393
Yeah. It also made Big Shell even more annoying

>>378157754
MGS2 is the pinnacle of ludographie tbqh

>>378172393
Probably to add a level of challenge and to make people actually learn the environments instead of just looking at the radar 100% of the time like in MGS1

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>>378172393
>>378172454
It was an attempt to fix a perceived problem with MGS1. People tended to just watch the radar instead of their environment as they made their way through Shadow Moses. Needing to log into the node served as an awareness and stealth test. You need to prove you don't need it before you can enjoy its benefits. I say it was an attempt as most players found it frustrating. I don't believe the game design is at fault though as there are plenty of ways of surveying an area and planning from safety that are directly shown to the player but unfortunately mostly ignored. There's also a silent tranquilizer gun for those who wished to sidestep the stealth entirely.

>>378172160
While I can appreciate what you're doing, I feel inclined to tell you that you should stop. Don't waste your time on him. He's a fucking teenager, or at least has the temperament of one. He came into this thread to grind an axe, not to have any sort of discussion, and he's made that abundantly clear at this point.

>>378173435
>He's a fucking teenager

figures, the MGS2 fanbase would call any critic of their game a "teenager"

>>378173042
I just runned and gunned my way to the nodes with silenced weapons.

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>>378157754
Childhood is thinking that idea of the Patriots is the most evil breach of freedom and everything western society stands for imaginable

Adulthood is realizing we need the Patriots now more than ever

this thread is a prime example of why /v/ is so shitty now.
fuck all you fags who have only been here a handful of years and are going to say >now

>>378173761
Childhood is taking this meme seriously.

Adulthood is realizing that it's stupid as hell.

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>>378173435
Yeah I had that idea. I'm not too pushed if one or many people didn't like the game. I didn't do it just for the sake of convincing someone of the merits of MGS2. Not only were more than just him reading it but it's enjoyable to talk about this game and to really put your thoughts/theories together and make sure they're coherent to others. And to practice writing because I can never actually write this much when I want to.

>>378173578
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Your way of doing things is an important aspect of the thematic element of the game as has been discussed previously. If you were to replay it though I would recommend trying a full stealth, minimal weapon approach. It can be very thrilling.

>>378173870
I just hated past /v/ (really most American communities) for different reasons than I hate it now. Yet I can still have fun, make informative posts and correct faggots, which is my hobby, along with spreading my pondered opinions and trying to understand any non-retarded points of view.

>>378174271
>If you were to replay it

the problem is that there are several factors that kill any replay of MGS2:
Raiden
The bad level design of Big Shell
the horrible boss fights
The plot going off the rails at the last part of the game
Being forced to use a gimmick weapon with bad controls for the final boss
Listening to Rose nag on the on the save screen

>>378174239
Childhood is relying on gene
Adulthood is resorting to meme

>>378173578
You're not a "critic". You've demonstrated already that you don't understand the most basic fundamentals of narrative criticism.

>>378174731
>You're not a "critic"

and you are assuming that guy and myself are the same person

Anons who diss Rose are a bunch of spoiled pricks desu senpai.

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>>378174593
I'm interested in hearing your case for bad level design and bad boss fights.

All of your other points can be skipped or aren't relevant to a stealth playthrough.

>>378174813
I'm not sure why you would embarrass yourself by associating yourself with him and defending him, unless you were him.

>>378160515
>ペルソナ五(2016, Hashino)
Japs use arabic numerals though.
read as ファイヴ
not 五

>>378174990
>All of your other points can be skipped or aren't relevant to a stealth playthrough.

I know they are not relevant to a stealth playthrough but they are relevant to killing any idea of a replay.

As for bad level design, most of the struts were annoying twists and turns with the possibility of guard coming out of the blue until you get to the node. Then you also have to backtrack thought that crap.

As for bad boss fights:
Vamp - small area with the instant kill put in the middle. Plus he is hard to hit and had that annoying shadow pin move (I am now aware of shooting out the lights)
Harrier - hardly any place to dodge and sometimes the middles would be too slow to hit it
Rays - you had to get into a rhythm and if you get out of it, you are boned
Solidus - you had to use the sword. Enough said.

>>378175367
I feel like the joke was lost on you.

>>378175424 #
>with the possibility of guard coming out of the blue until you get to the node

And you're fitted with all the tools to avoid it, did you want to play as a ghost?

>Vamp - small area with the instant kill put in the middle.

Gasp, never seen that before.

>Plus he is hard to hit and had that annoying shadow pin move (I am now aware of shooting out the lights)

But apparently you are not aware of the lock on button which you can just depress before shooting. You should also call for advice more often.

>Harrier - hardly any place to dodge

Plenty, in fact.

>and sometimes the middles would be too slow to hit it

This happens when he hits mach 2.

>Rays - you had to get into a rhythm and if you get out of it, you are boned

Acquire proficiency? They're not that many/hard when you're not playing extreme.

>Solidus - you had to use the sword. Enough said.

But the sword play is fun when you know how to use it. Felt like Bushido Blade met Ape Escape.

>>378176581
>Felt like Bushido Blade met Ape Escape

never played either

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>>378175424
How do skippable plot elements kill the idea of a replay? You know what happens and you know you don't like them and you don't have to endure them. There is no reason for them to kill a replay.

I would want more specific examples than annoying twists and turns. I have said earlier that awareness of guards or lack thereof can be totally blamed on the player not using the tools at their disposal. Ironically, the backtracking that you take issue with serves to further learn the environment/guard patrols and also make logging into the nodes more worthwhile as the benefits are apparent more than once.

As for Vamp, did you dislike the Ocelot fight in MGS1 too?
Does a boss being difficult make it inherently bad? That is something I glean from your problems with all but Solidus.
As for Solidus himself, I can understand the fight being frustrating if you dislike using the sword but for most it's a new toy that is unlike any other weapon in the game. Aside from the novelty of it, it is designed well enough to be used in the fight.

>>378177283
>How do skippable plot elements kill the idea of a replay?

because I apparently need to replay this game to "get" it.

>As for Vamp, did you dislike the Ocelot fight in MGS1 too?
Not really because you Ocelot would not dodge like a motherfucker

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>>378177840
You don't need to replay the game to "get" it. Reading up on it would be sufficient to gain insight on the thematic relevance of the plot and gameplay. I recommend replaying it to you solely for its good game design, particularly the stealth aspect.

Regarding Vamp I have to ask you again, does a boss being difficult make it inherently bad? Vamp dodging your attacks should push you to improve your aim/tactics. If you are the runner and gunner I replied to earlier then your aiming should be up to the task.

>>378178748
>does a boss being difficult make it inherently bad?
there's a fine line between difficulty and annoying.

Vamp was annoying
stuff like Artorias and King Alant was difficult not annoying

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>>378179158
And what of the rest of my point? Artorias similarly dodges a lot. Where does learning Artorias strategies succeed where learning Vamp strategies fail for you? Both require knowledge of the moveset and good timing. Both are one on one "use everything you've learned" boss fights. What makes one annoying and the other not?

>>378180045
>What makes one annoying and the other not?

it's that whenever I tried something different on Vamp it ended up in one of two ways:
1. I misuse the different weapon and ends up not working at all
2. Vamp dodges it anyway

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>>378180380
I don't want to call your ability into question but I don't see another possibility based on what you've put forth. You say yourself that you misuse weapons and you apparently refuse to let go of the lock on button. Vamp isn't impervious to being shot. He can be hit by basically all weapons. All any of them require is manually aiming and shooting.

>>378181207
so Vamp only goes into Matrix dodge mode if you lock onto him?

>>378179158
I dunno man, beating Vamp on European extreme with stun grenades and the M9 felt like the achievement of the century. Once you've gotten the counters for all of his moves down it's really not that hard.

>>378181856
>European extreme
I am too much of a pussy for anything beyond normal for these games

>>378181590
You can literally unload an entire mp4 magazine with him stationary on the wall and it won't register as a hit. Sounds retarded but so was Psycho Mantis since he also magically dodged into hits, but both were fun. Vamp is more thrilling tho.

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>>378181590
Yeah. He mentions in the preceding cutscene about how your muscles give away where you're going to fire or however he puts it. Calling Colonel translates that into gameplay terms and it means don't lock on.

>>378182126
It's infuriating. Most bosses can kill you in a hit or two, and you can only carry 2 rations. EU Extreme forces you to have a robotic understanding of the bosses with impeccable timing.

I will never do it again, lol.

>this kid thinks he's raising valid points against the best game ever made
laughable

>>378182804
I don't think the actual AI changes between normal extreme and eu extreme, does it? To this day I still can't beat the rays, I get anxious and fuck up.