>MMOs can't be goo-

-d

>>378154039
Oh that's the Archeage ripoff, yea no it's pretty crap.

>>378154039

Would you recommend this game? I'm on the fence about it and I haven't felt the desire to dive into an mmo ever since WoW turned to shit.

pic unrelated

>>378154039
-k grindan gaems

Daily reminder that recently Black Desert Online paid shills have been spamming the board with their shitty game in order to save it because it's dying (6k players)

It's a fucking trash pay2win game that nobody gives a shit about. Everything is garbage, unbalanced and boring.

Do not fucking play this trash

MMOs reward people by sinking their time in the games and adding number, not by making them enjoy more the game by improving any skill. This is why all of them are shit. Give me some MMO where item management, battle strategy or combat skills are relevant and any newcomer can stand a change against some retarded who vegetate for years but have 999999999gold and you're ok

>>378155475
Its a sandbox. Only good non themepark mmo on the market.

>>378154039
Worst part about this game is the forced grind to get awakening. Fuck that noise.

>>378155953
grind you stupid casual normie

>Hurr its buy to win!

Always easy to spot the wowfags who know knothing abotu Black Desert

>>378157560
easy to spot the shills like you

For everybody in this thread, do not fall for the shills. This game is dead and shills and autists who wasted $$$ on pay2win shit don't want the game to die so these threads are their desperate attempt at saving it

>>378154039
mmorpgs are all the same boring ass repetitive grindy gargabe

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>>378157761
I can understnad how themepark babies think getting +30 seconds of underwater breathing is pay to win. But you are incorrect.

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>>378154039
>Fishing PvP mmo

>>378155671
it's literally the best MMO pleb, sure it's not perfect but still a damn good game with the best combat by far, people who complain about P2W don't know about the register limits on the ah

>>378158431
I quit a few months ago.

Making me buy the game and then forcing a p2w cash shop just burned my goodwill. At least I only wasted $30...

>>378158431
>it's literally the best MMO pleb

It's literally WoW but worse, just like every other shitty korean grinding MMO

>bought game because the customization to home and character seemed interesting
>literally fucking anything beyond the basics behind a retarded paywall

Fuck microtransactions. I fucking hate modern video games.

>>378155475
It's fun until you hit the soft cap. It's kinda a fake sandbox which brings a lot of fun extra shit to do. Combat is really good for an mmo, graphics are decent too.

However there's only like 7 sets of gear in the game, so everyone you see will look the same for the most part. Almost all activities are based around being afk. Has the least player interaction I've ever seen in an mmo, you cannot build things together, cannot farm together, cannot ride a wagon together, cannot trade items, there's no dungeons needing classes and coordination. The only thing you can do is kill them or grind mobs together. The endgame is literal grinding RNG. Skill has zero place in combat, it's all about gear and levels.

Worth the $5 when you grab it on sale, but don't expect a lot.

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>playing MMOs
>in fucking 2017
Fuck off, the genre is dead for good and every game is absolute shit, no exceptions.

>single player mmo
The only time I stopped in a vidya to think and ask myself why I'm even doing any this grind.
I really like that it has wizards and a lively world and all that shit, but it's kind of pointless.

>>378154039
It's shit.

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What we have so far:

>20 provinces of tamriel besides Cyrodiil
>Cyrodiil
>Craglorn
>Coldharbour
>Imperial City
>Imperial City Sewers
>Orsinium (orc land)
>Abah's Watch (thieves guild)
>Gold Coast (dark brotherhood)
>Player housing (several dozen homes, with more being added)

What we are getting in the next year:

>Morrowind expansion (the entirety of Vvardenfell)
>Argonia and the black marsh expansion
>Clockwork city expansion (dwarven capital city)
>Spiral Skein (Mephala's plane of oblivion)
>craftable spells
>craftable jewelry

With full voice acting, an ensemble cast of all-star actors to play the significant character roles (Kate Beckinsale, Lynda Carter, Malcolm McDowell, Bill Nighy, Tara Strong, John Cleese etc etc), a thriving economy, build variety that could fill an encyclopedia, a seemingly infinite amount of customization (10 distinguishable ranks of light/medium/heavy armor, 49 armor styles to craft, 10 possible weapons, 7 armor slots, HUNDREDS of dyes to color them with, and dozens of preset costumes), gorgeous graphics, amazing music, dozens of enemy types, dozens of emotes, hundreds of housing furniture, and a commitment from the devs for the long term.

You have literally 4 seconds to explain why you don't play literally the best MMO and best TES game of all time

>>378158557
>It's literally WoW but worse, just like every other shitty korean grinding MMO

you're kidding right? WOW is pretty much entirely instanced BDO is entirely open world, you don't know what you're talking about

>>378158542
all that drama was caused by that autistic youtuber kid and retards who followed his logic and are now kicking sand with nothing to play MMO wise

like I said there's a limit on registerable items and barely anyone actually does that to try and P2W due to the sheer amount of money you would need to spend compared to just spending a few hours in game and getting the same income

>>378158431
It's not even close to being shit
It's beyond shit

>>378158992
>you're kidding right? WOW is pretty much entirely instanced BDO is entirely open world

Who gives a fuck if it's open world. ITS LITERALLY WOW. If you can't see it then you have to be autistic or retarded in some way

You go from NPC to NPC, do shitty grinding quests, then do meaningless PvP that gives you nothing

That's every single WOW ripoff ever

>>378158820
>Oldschool Runescape
>EVE Online

You are just ignorant to what is around you

>>378156987
>sandbox game
>everyone just grinds mobs all day

Fuck off shill.

>>378158991
trash absolute garbage themepark game literally hit cap and throw directly in the trash, piss poor combat system as well

>>378159130
>WOW

you still haven't explained how it's WOW, there's no dungeons and that's currently like 95% of what WOW is

>>378158992
>all that drama was caused by that autistic youtuber kid
He wasn't wrong though. Pearl Abyss cited gold sellers and botters as their reason for implementing horribly restrictive trading rules (which really introduced an awful economy btw), but then they turn around and introduce a way for you to literally convert cash to gold.

That was when I realized they were jews and got out of there.

Also by the time I quit there STILL wasn't an end game and it was just pirates 24/7. Even the hyped world bosses turned out shit and was largely an exercise of wailing on a gigantic enemy that randomly does an OHKO move here and there.

>Defending P2W korean MMOs

Jesus fucking christ, you people have no fucking soul
That alone make it worse than anything currently on the market

I hate steam fags shilling shitty old games just because it was newly released on steam.

>>378159130
>You go from NPC to NPC, do shitty grinding quests

no you don't, you literally haven't played the game fuck off shitter

>>378158820
>top cock boner
oh boi

>>378159150
>16 yr old mmo
>spreadsheet simulator

Say what you will, it's dead, pal.

>>378159291
you go from a NPC to NPC, get the "go there kill X mobs and come back", repeat it until you're max LVL

Then all you have left is pointless PVP


And the game doesn't even have trade between players kek

>>378159428
mmo players are dumb as hell. They deserve to be ripped off time and time again.

>>378159159
>I choose to grind mobs all day so the game is shit

>>378157235
awesome rebuttal

>>378159615
They are the retarded cucks who keep the MMO jew business running

The reason every MMO that came out after WoW is a garbage shit grinding autism simulator is because the fucking autists will buy it and waste $$$$ on it as long as it has a loli character in it

>>378155475
It's like a job where you pay to work instead of having them pay you.

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>>378154039
I don't know anything about the MMO except that it's fucking gookshit, so right off the bat I can predict a few things about it.
>Fap bait for thirsty slopes because porn is illegal in their shithole country
>Real money cash shop for slutty cosmetics and P2W
>Disgusting levels of grind
>Awful user interface
>Fatigue system because retarded gooks have no self-control
Let me know how many nails I hit on the head please

>>378154039
>typical korean p2w grindfest

yeah look, we were all sperging out over the character creation sure, but thats all it has.;

>>378154039
>it actually can't

>>378159741
The user interface is pretty slick but everything else is spot on

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>pop up 2 feet in front of you

in an attempt to make the game stunning, they made it ugly

>>378159336
>Pearl Abyss cited gold sellers and botters as their reason for implementing horribly restrictive trading rules

this is really the only way to combat chink sellers though, every other MMO except BDO is fucking plagued with them

>>378159678
Try again retard
I fished all day and quit because the devs wanted grinding to be number one income source

Game's still fucking shit. Now fuck off shill.

>>378159578
do you even play games or do you just lurk /v/ all day and shit on games?

>>378159549
>survived for 16 years

Sure thing sweetheart

>>378159886
>If I'm not doing the most efficient thing I can't have fun
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T GAIN MAX MONIES BY AFK FISHING?!
BDO haters in a nutshell

>>378159865
This
All the hair clipping is also absolutely awful

>>378159981
That's exactly what /v/ is you retard. If you wanted to talk and circle jerk about games you should fuck off back to your general.

>>378159741
you could make this argument about literally any fucking game right now it's such a generic tired fucking argument made by jaded fucking faggots

>>378159981
>playing games
wheredoyouthinkyouare.png

I don't even care about the p2w crap, the fucking grinding is massive and the entire crafting system is basically single player.

>>378159885
And yet BDO's economy is still trash because it doesn't let itself grow naturally resulting in requiring tens of millions of gold for outdated items one expansion ago.

>>378160064
Trying to hard.

>>378159718
how the fuck is the game supposed to make money and keep operating dipshit? are they supposed to operate on your enjoyment?

>>378154039
WE WUZ DESERTS N SHIT

>>378155475
Its fucking garbage.

Let me go ahead and explain why with some quick points

>There are only about 8 armor models for each class so they can sell you cosmetic baddass armor easy since you look like a poor piece of shit even after weeks of playing.

>World bosses are the most certain way of getting loot, but you need to do a high share of damage to it to get a higher chance of loot.

>But the bosses kill non tanks in a few hits, and if you die you have to run back.

>But don't worry! You can buy P2W potions that rez you on the spot so you can keep dpsing the boss for a higher shot at loot!

>Also PvP is imbalanced as fuck and Witches destroy everything.

>figure I'll give the game a shot
>create an account, download the client, go to start downloading the game
>49.56gb

what the shit /v/, this game better have absolutely everything

>>378160064
To be fair the game was sold and advertised as a sandbox where you can do literally anything. Unfortunately it ended up being a theme park where the only relevant thing to do is grind mobs so it's understandable people felt betrayed.

>>378160190
too*

>>378160201
Maybe they can, you know, sell expansions like WoW

>>378160172
what the fuck are you talking about? you can literally buy anything on the AH right now and because of the sensible limit placed on items fucking AH kikes are non-existent so there can't be fucking jews that just make all their money sitting leeching off of the AH all day another terrible part of MMOs

>>378160364
Boy, you can surely bet it'll have
as long as you pay the price, goy

>>378160252
>>There are only about 8 armor models for each class so they can sell you cosmetic baddass armor easy since you look like a poor piece of shit even after weeks of playing.
The most ironic thing is that even the cash shop p2w sets make everyone end up looking the same since there's not a lot of them.

It's literally impossible to look unique in this game, which is tragic since the character customization is quite good.

>>378160201
How about they don't make a shitty autism simulator and rely on autistic neckbeards like you as their target audience that keeps the business running

Black desert would be my dream game without all the idiocy. Remove the offline profession shit, it serves no purpose, it's bad for the environment, and it's trash.
Also give me a better pc so the game doesn't make my pc worryingly hot.

>>378160595

I don't understand why you have to be connected for life skills. is it to prevent 50000 bots?

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>>378154039
It's alright, but I hate how the economy is not coherrently connected. The market doesn't allow undercutting or anything of the sort. It's regulated by the developers. An Epheria Sailboat costs like 180 million on the market, eventhough it takes literally a week to build for build time alone, not considering the fact that you need a shitload of resources for it as well and CP investments. That means under any circumstance it is better to get everything from the market, because the prices are fixed. You literally make 10 mil a day staying AFK. Because the market is fixed, supply and demand can never even out naturally. Pre-ordering exists, but if you preorder an item for 5 million that costs 2k on the market, the seller still only gets 2k. You cannot rely on players grouping together, because it is actively discouraged by the fact that you simply cannot trade anything. Instead, you are forced to make a ton of alts to play the game solo. That's not fun. There's no real goal in the game other than killing shit, participating in events and making more money to buy all the things you'd want. No player interaction. Nothing.

A game that does this a million times better is SWG(emu).

>>378155671
I believe you.

They're so desperate they're shilling to pokemon go fags.

>>378158431
Go home lazypeon

>>378160441
>what the fuck are you talking about?
The economy sucks, plain and simple. See: >>378160713

>muh waifus

retarded.

Any dumb asshole with good modelling tools can release a shitty game these days and use waifus to crutch how shit his game is and retarded thirsty teens would flood over it.

>>378160252
>There are only about 8 armor models for each class so they can sell you cosmetic baddass armor easy since you look like a poor piece of shit even after weeks of playing.

you can easily get cosmetic items buy buying them on AH with in game money it's one of the easiest things to do in game lol

>World bosses are the most certain way of getting loot, but you need to do a high share of damage to it to get a higher chance of loot.

wrong, there are multiple tables a lower tier threshold and an upper one with higher damage played, everyone has a chance at loot from bosses and BTW I don't even do bosses anymore because they're not worth it for me

>But the bosses kill non tanks in a few hits, and if you die you have to run back.

all bosses have patterns and specials that can be avoided if you're not a shitter

>But don't worry! You can buy P2W potions that rez you on the spot so you can keep dpsing the boss for a higher shot at loot!

you're listening to the retarded youtuber again who btw has already redacted his statements about the game

>Also PvP is imbalanced as fuck and Witches destroy everything.

actually it's Korean so your gear = your ability in the game best system tbqh

>>378160669
It's probably related to incentivising purchases at net cafes or something, maybe some kinda engagement strategy? more likely to play the game and buy stuff if it's always open. Ultimately it's just environmentally unfriendly and obnoxious. And it makes it impossible for active players to get ahead on life skills, which I hate.

>>378158805
>almost all activities are based around being afk
so basically Runescape then?

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>>378161019
>actually it's Korean so your gear = your ability in the game best system tbqh
You are the first person I've seen unironically defend this.

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>>378161019
But what if you fight a maxed out BiS Witch?

>>378154039
>nigger desert
>good
shill

>>378158820
>nasty ogre bitch

;___;

this is the most unsocial mmo I played, and I have to make sure my gf doesn't spend all her money on new costumes

>>378154039
Downloading this shit is like downloading files on old /b/

>>378160669
That's the idea that they would like to sell to you, but truthfully, I think it's because of analytical purposes. It's not secret for example that Blizzard loves to flatter themselves with things like "60 million players!", but they leave out the fact that for their WoW numbers, it includes people who have logged into the game in a span of 12 months, even if they are not active subscribers anymore or if they were playing the free edition. I think Kakao Games is trying to appease their investors with it, by showing them that they have 500.000 people online right now, but leaving out the fact that 90% of them are AFK. It also attracts newer players more easily if they know that cities are busting with players. Offline and online should be treated the same, there's no reason why I have to keep the game running with my 1080 GTX at 85°c in the background.

>>378160916
the AH is like that for a very good reason refer to my previous statement about AH leech kikes who sit on the AH all day and undercut everything trying to turn a profit, casual players can put shit up and make money instantly and easily unlike if you tried to do AH in other games where you're constantly undercutted also people try to sell shit in general like horses and rare gear all day so he's not exactly right, like I said trade is a double edged sword of the chink plague

>>378161083
Never played runescape so I couldn't say, I grew up in the rural iowa and didn't have access to home internet until college.
But pretty much everything either has timers counting down, requires you to auto travel large distances (going offroad with a wagon is a bad idea), or is encouraged for you to have the game minimized to your taskbar while you do it.

Seriously, this is the worst "mmo" I've ever seen. No player interaction and about the only thing you can do as a player is kill things. Farming only takes a few min a day since. Still a lot of fun until you hit the soft cap on your first character, but a really shitty mmo.

>>378161120
literally all Asians prefer it as it's imfuckingpossible to balance any game, get on their level

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>>378155475

It is the only MMO I've played where gear doesn't actually drop from the world and you have to buy the best gear from the store.

Literally only basic shirts and pants drop and any armor that takes effort to make is on the store for real money.

Think about that for a second and realize how fucking retarded your question is.

>>378161083
It was made to be a mobile game.

There's a mobile version out or will be out.

>>378154039
thinkin of downloading the russian version and playing with an english patch

worth it?

I mostly just wanna test the waifu creator

>>378161919
no

>>378161670
runescape is an economy simulator of course you would hate this game if you're not an economy jew

>>378161660
>the AH is like that for a very good reason refer to my previous statement about AH leech kikes who sit on the AH all day and undercut everything trying to turn a profit
Not the guy, but have you even played the game?
The majority of top players all just do this. They sit at the AH and snipe items, because the incentive for re-selling items is low due to this artifical demand created by those players. There is no way for sellers to increase the price on items in response to the demand. I was trying to get logs this week off the AH and I haven't bought a single one, because it kept being bought by the same person over and over. So I'm sorry if you think that buying low and selling high is a shit market concept, but being forced to hog resources since there's no possible way of selling them at the value of the demand is ultimatively ten times as worse.

>>378154039
shit / shit

>>378162095
No one snipes manually, they all use bots anon.

>>378160713
>Players can't make a price gouge market

I dont see this as a bad thing. It costs 20g for a stack of copper ore on my WoW server.

>>378161781

>It is the only MMO I've played where gear doesn't actually drop from the world and you have to buy the best gear from the store.

another fucking clueless person, all the accessories drop in the open world there's literally no other way to get them other than special events, all the best weapons and armor also only drop from bosses, many people just get them fro AH because the economy is extremely active

unless you're talking about cosmetics? please word your statement right

>>378162238
Price gouging isn't possible in BDO, did you even read what I've said? All items have a fixed price on the AH.

>>378162095
no you're completely wrong m8 it is completely impossible to profit on the AH I tried, however the AH takes a huge 30% tax cut killing any jews who try to resell

>>378162238
I misread, but so you're willing to have no market as an alternative, instead of having a market where prices rise and sink? What the fuck is wrong with you

>>378161753
Yeah, but literally all Asians sit around in factories for 10 hours doing the same mundane shit and then kill themselves.

Asians aren't known for nuance.

>>378162238
the whole point is regular players trying to sell extra shit they get, in WOW you just toss it in the trash because AH jews

>>378160201

With the $40 it costs to buy it?

I was actually mad as all fuck when I brought the game a couple weeks after release and realized that they were STILL going to Jew me with micro-transactions for shit as basic as different armor sets. God, fuck this game.

>>378162392

shut the fuck up you dumb lying shill piece of shit

the first week of BDO people had to buy the green camouflage from the store for $$ because it was a BiS for PvP

This game looks so fucking nice and it's so fucking ruined.

I mean, I'm not saying /v/ is capable of making a game, but even /v/ could see some of the problems with this game from mile away. It's not the promised sandbox, it's a fucking AFK-fest.

>>378158991
>You have literally 4 seconds to explain why you don't play literally the best MMO and best TES game of all time
It's an MMO.

>>378162694
I personally have like 8 armor sets in the game and didn't pay for a single one, holyfuck so many people seemed to have quit without even learning basic mechanics of the game

>>378155329
/thread

>>378162523

Sentence comprehension. Read again.

People snipe items off the market because they USE them all the time. Items like the fisher boat, which takes like an entire day to craft for 1 million silver in resources, costs 3 million on the market. How is that a fair price?

There's no incentive to sell it, because the price is too low.
There's no incentive to not buy it, because the price is too low.

So your option is to sit at the market like everybody else, wait for the item notice to pop up that somebody registered a fishing boat, then check the market like a madman after 10 minutes for another 10 minutes until the item appears, then click like an idiot the bidding symbol that allows 100 other people to randomly have a chance for the item.

Also the 30% tax cut is a non-subscriber, so you clearly have never used the market in your entire life if you haven't tried to snipe a value pack before for the measly 7 million.

what's with the sudden shilling of BDO today

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>>378156987
>not even fast
EVE would have a word. Fastest MMO gameplay on the market if you can find fights.

>>378162843
that shit doesn't give stats other than gathering (easy af to +5) and got nerfed into the ground anyway, that's also a different category all together and pretty useless unless it's a swimming suit, it also looks like shit and people would rather wear outfits anyway

>>378162426
eeeeeeh.
you can definitely make a profit buying at the right price, but there are caps on how much the price can fluctuate

>>378155953
A game can have skill and keep from allowing newcomers from having max-level gear. MMOs don't do that right now, and maybe that's your argument, but EVE has really skillful gameplay if you can in any manner enjoy "space airplanes".. or "naval space", depending on the size of your ship.

>>378163354
>that shit doesn't give stats other than gathering (easy af to +5)

People buy it for the heat resistance and that it removes your nametag from being displyed, it allows for pvp ambushes. Not for the gathering.

I enjoyed it, for a few months anyway.

>>378162876
it's not, NA is just full of plebs and /v/ is full of fucking misanthropes who hate everything that isn't popular I guess

>>378163083
Came out on Steam

>>378155475
rn it's the best $6 player creation sim you can have, outside of that it's pretty garbage.

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>>378163080
>snipe

You have 2 minutes after a notification to put your bid up, and then the system randomly picks a bidder. The same person isn't getting them when they sit there bidding. When you say 'snipe', you make it sound like there's a small group of elite rich players buying up everything on the AH; no, there's just 5000 people who want that value pack, so every time one goes up, you only have like a .01% chance of actually getting it.

>>378162949

Explain how it's possible to get armor sets in the game without buying them off the playet-market.

And for the record I'm not referring to armor sets like grunil, ogre ring etc. I'm referring to the cosmetic armor.

>>378163083
Its 40% on steam right now

>>378160102
>you could make this argument about literally any fucking game

Exactly boy, and this is still shit, same as the rest
Now go back eatin your shit game in your shit hole while spouting shit like a drooling retard

>>378163107
>fastest mmo gameplay on the market
You have to do 16 button presses each.. 4? seconds to move forward well in BDO as a warrior. just to move forward. there's animation cancelling out the ass, you could basically play as well as you want to

>>378163080
this isn't an economy game, it's intended to encourage players to actually play the game instead of getting everything off the ah

>There's no incentive to not buy it, because the price is too low.

what the fuck am I reading

>So your option is to sit at the market like everybody else, wait for the item notice to pop up that somebody registered a fishing boat, then check the market like a madman after 10 minutes for another 10 minutes until the item appears, then click like an idiot the bidding symbol that allows 100 other people to randomly have a chance for the item.

or you could you know play the game and acquire the item the way it's meant to be

>so you clearly have never used the market in your entire life if you haven't tried to snipe a value pack before for the measly 7 million.

you can't resell valuepacks for a profit which is good imo

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>Time limited buffs as paid DLC

Only in fucking Korean MMOs

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>>378158820

Hard Cock Lover

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>>378163885

>>378163802
You can get them off the AH for money; it's the most popular form of converting actual money into game money. Typically a seller will advertise in general if anyone wants to buy a costume, or buyers will advertise they are looking for a costume. Either way, they'll get contacted, assured that there's someone who wants it, and then will buy one off the cash-shop and sell it on AH.

The exchange rate is about 10-15$ = 25~ million, which is fucking awful, but rich idiots still do it.

>>378164016
That sounds awful.

>>378163623
>You have 2 minutes after a notification to put your bid up, and then the system randomly picks a bidder.

That's not how it works, so clearly you have never played the game in your life.

If you get an item notice, the item will be listed in the market AFTER a minimum of 10 minutes. Then there is an additional RANDOM 5 minutes of when the item is actually listed in the market. The actual bidding time for the item is 20 seconds.

Are you not embarassed by spouting this factually incorrect nonsense?

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>>378160713
I can't this harder. BDO's crafting system is such a kick in the nads.

Crafting in general is ultimately pointless. Grinding mobs gets you ridiculously more money, and with that amount money everything on the AH is piss cheap except for the super-rare top-tier items. Meanwhile you sit there checking the game constantly throughout the game to keep your craft up and make just enough to cover your expenses. It's fucking retarded that you have to grind mobs to supply the majority of your crafting funds, it should be the other way around if one is going to rely on the other.

I also think AH's are a retarded idea in general. Silkroad Online had the best economy in a KMMO I've ever seen in its early years, when there was no AH in sight. The fact that the cheapest offering wasn't a button press away meant there was a lot more to play with, and everyone didn't just set their price to 1-minus the next best price. It just gets especially bad when you take out trading all-together and regulate that AH.

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>>378154039
how are the popins nowadays? I know they used to be horrendous for even great PC setups.

I'm genuinely interested in this game.

>>378164016
The fuck does that even mean? I play a warrior and all you do is spam 3 abilities for most every mob and occasionally put your shield up with Q. I enjoy the game but what are you even talking about with 'fastest mmo gameplay'?

>>378164058
To what are you referring, senpai.

>>378164315
That's why you're bad at the game. Warriors have a lot of depth, you just never felt the necessity to learn it. you awakened yet? most of the complexity is board and sword, 2h is fairly simple, so I can get not learning it if you never really had to spend a long time pre-awakening

>>378162238
Black Desert's system is retarded though. It doesn't allow most items to get even close to their supply-demand equilibrium, especially with commodity items.

>>378164163
>Typically a seller will advertise in general if anyone wants to buy a costume

Sellers ain't going to advertise, because you can't cherrypick your buyers. Anyone who might be interested has notices on.

>The exchange rate is about 10-15$ = 25~ million, which is fucking awful, but rich idiots still do it.

It's worse. A premium set can go for between 21 mil - 26 mil, but premium sets cost 3100 pearls, which is $30. That's an incredibly terrible deal. I can make 33 mil in a hour by just AFK sailing.

>>378163802
I said I didn't pay real money for not buy off market with in game money, cosmetics and gear are two different things in this game, you can actually immediately achieve an endgame cosmetic look quite fast in the game, it's different from traditional MMOs in that way, but actual gear progress is completely traditional

>>378164185
>Silkroad Online

This fucking nigga.

At least you could rob people on trade runs.

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>download on steam
>have to make a brand new account, can't use the one I made in beta
How do you fuck up this bad?

How are there even people shilling this fucking game? Thats like people coming to /v/ to shill Metin 2

>>378154039
>MMO
That's a singleplayer farming game, anon.

It sucks. There were constant threads before release and than it flopped and no one's talked about it since. Pretty clear red flag when that kinda shit happens.

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What is some relatively new mmo that has some actual polish put into it and isn't some p2w bullshit?

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Are there any other mmos to look forward to?

>>378158431
>it's literally the best MMO
Not an argument. See >>378163107

Of course, maybe you're actually working for BDO, so you might not have anything to say.

>>378155475
I was interested in it too but one of the major turn offs that people don't talk about enough is the insanely annoying pop-in. Go watch any gameplay of it and you'll notice that every 10 feet you move there will be shadows, players, objects, lighting, etc, that all pop into existence all over the place. Worse pop-in I've seen in any modern game.

>>378164614
is that a boy or a girl?

>>378164568
Yeah every time a game comes out with trading I hope it's going to be like SRO's and I'm always completely disappointed. As shit as that game was it had some aspects that were so far above anything else we'll ever see in an MMO.

>>378164813
don't listen to the bandwagoning FOTM faggots who just dropped it because of some youtube video a few months after release because they're miserable unsatisfyable faggots and never bothered actually fully learning the game, it's still going strong in Korea and is a solid game despite the naysayers

Is there any game like BDO where I can just lifeskill without a roof? something that isn't shit preferably

>>378165005
I post a thread about crowfall every few months and it's always DoA. I can't tell if /v/ doesn't know about it or if it's just obviously shit for reasons I don't know.

Also I think there's one coming out that hearkens back to a more Ultima/Runescape style but I can't remember what it's called.

>>378164614
gonna need some sauce

>>378164016

And that's supposed to sound appealing? 16 button presses just to move forward? I'm looking for a game, not a fucking job that will leave me handicapped in a week.

>>378164185
This is exactly what I felt as well. There's no endgame for combat orientated professions, other than grinding money, because crafting professions and anything else are so bad and they all require you to stay online for the life skills and workers anyway.
Like who is insane enough to put in like 400 CP and thousands of work hours to build some sort of worker fleet to craft items with? In the same amount of time I could've just farmed monsters and bought some losers PEN gear.

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>you now remember ArcheAge

>>378158805
>However there's only like 7 sets of gear in the game, so everyone you see will look the same for the most part. Almost all activities are based around being afk. Has the least player interaction I've ever seen in an mmo, you cannot build things together, cannot farm together, cannot ride a wagon together, cannot trade items, there's no dungeons needing classes and coordination. The only thing you can do is kill them or grind mobs together. The endgame is literal grinding RNG. Skill has zero place in combat, it's all about gear and levels.

Ah so it's just your average modern MMO that consists of a glorified single player game with mute people running in the background.

>>378165005
no, this is literally the only deep MMO worth playing despite all its flaws, garbage western devs make ez kiddie pleb games with cartoon shit graphics now because it's easy

>>378165261
You can also choose not to, I'm just saying, bdo is as fast as you want it to be.
It's just a "speedrun" tech

>>378165263
>Like who is insane enough to put in like 400 CP and thousands of work hours to build some sort of worker fleet to craft items with?

probably like 5 people in all of NA max, you're obsessing over other's progress which will be the bane of you in this game

>>378158991
And no cheating protection whatsoever.

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>>378163623
>You have 2 minutes after a notification to put your bid up
What? Are you sure you've played this game?

>>378165005
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>crowdfunded
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>378155475
For me all of its fun to be had was in the first few months. Crafting was pretty fun before you realized it fucked you in the ass, and there weren't ezpz guides on how to do everything. Originally you could give yourself an edge by finding hidden things in the world or experimenting with a craft for efficiency, but of course every fucking redditor piece of shit that figured something out made a youtube video about it for their 20 upbotes and now the easiest way to do everything in the game is a google search away. That was pretty much all it that set it apart from other MMOs for me and once it wasn't there I lost all interest.

Also the game became considerably more P2W after I left I heard, so it's even worse than when I quit.

>>378165693
study and don't waste time on this shitty mmo

>>378164820
it's this game, that shitty final fantasy MMO, classic WOW or the highway bro

>>378164048
>this isn't an economy game,
I'm the original Anon.

And that's why I said the economy in this game blows. It's too regulated and just causes a bunch of other issues. There's a reason why everyone hates the BDO economy.

>>378165881
I'd rather kill myself then

>>378164820
WildStar was the most fun MMO I played and its endgame is fantastic imho, Too bad it's pretty much a dead game

>>378166002
I actually bought that before it went f2p, went to almost the max level (I think I was one away from it) and just got bored and quit.

It had good housing though.

>>378155475
If you want action mmos you can choose between Dragon nest, Blade and Soul or Tera.
Or Elsword if you're a jew.

>>378165850
it's not P2W for the last time, autists with no job are the richest people in the game, people who pay are usually behind because their character level is also shit because they tried to circumvent grinding and have a job

>>378165925
not everyone just economy focused fags, I couldn't give two shits about AH autism

>>378159885
Chinese region servers.

>>378166080
the dungeons pre f2p and the raids were the fun part. In general levelling in every mmo gets boring after a while

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>>378154039
Just play Dungeon Fighter Online.

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>>378166002
>largely moved to xiv
>tfw wish I was just playing wildstar
Overall xiv is better but wildstar is just so much more fun to play.

>>378165235
SWGemu, but I figure you're probably too young to appreciate the depth of its crafting over the dated graphics. It's intricative and pretty fun to play just as a crafting profession. Like, if you want to get resources for whatever you want to craft and sell, you have to scan for them. Each week, resources shift to other places and their attributes change from it. Like for example Iron mined on Tattooine might be really durable this week, but next week it might become really brittle and low quality. This affects your crafts as well. If you decide to make a weapon for example, you can end up putting points into its various attributes if you were using high quality resources. But if you were using low quality resources that might have a lot of durability though, your weapon durability might be quite high naturally, but you can't improve anything on it else futher. Some other classes, like the bio engineer, actively go out to hunt monsters and genetically engineer new pets from their DNA in the same complex manner. Best of all? You can do the majority of crafting professions without ever wielding a weapon and you don't have to go through bullshit like massive crafting times or having to go AFK. You won't ever find a more perfect game that values both combat professions and crafting professions in such a harmony. Like Entertainer classes depend on Combat classes for optional tips and Combat classes depend on Entertainers for combat buffs. A doctor relies on combat classes harvesting their prey and they in return rely on doctors for making the buffs. And the doctors who make the buffs, rely on chefs to make food for them. And the chefs that make food for doctors, rely on people crafting clothes for them and those rely on people finding clothing mods. And because you have a limited set of skills you can learn, you are encouraged to interact with other players.

Here's my boy charlie making a quick tutorial on getting into it. https://youtu.be/kPtcBKijaRQ?t=16

>>378166320
I suppose. I didn't really like the setting that much and the classes felt a bit generic to me, I played an engineer I think. Though having your own hoverboard was a bit nice. That game has a few fun aspects but for me it doesn't have the "IT" factor.

I spent years playing LOTRO

>>378165652
I'm not obessing over the progress of others. I'm just saying that you have to be clinically insane to craft items in this game when farming mobs is a much faster and better method.

>>378165693
>make a trial account
>level it to 30
>watch as everyone throws themselves at your feet to buy you the game

Stop being retarded and if you want it on steam, go fuck yourself.

>>378165263
I'm that anon. I was a highly-ranked alchemist for the first few months after launch (top 3 on the board every time I logged in), and being able to say that was all I have to show for it. I spent just as much time crafting as others spent grinding but I was broke as fuck and had abysmal gear. Fuck, the high level didn't even help me make money faster. It let me craft shit either nobody wanted to buy or was completely impractical to produce for profit.

I will admit, it was cozy logging on to my gatherer to collect blood vials, but it was such a disgusting waste of time.

>>378166373
>tfw guild disbanded 1 month before the new raid released
>tfw was buttblasted and never went back for the third raid
at least I quitted after I got my Artifact Weapon. Ty Avatus

>>378166392
No actually a reason I'm looking for something is because my pc is down so can't play bdo. Is there no roof to profession? a major appeal of BDO is that I never reach a skillcap. either way it's interesting, might try it out anyways

>>378166543
semi afk activities never make as much money as fully active activities, it's as it should be

>>378167063
>what is cooking, alchemy and processing

>>378166112
That has nothing to do with if it's P2W or not. Take 2 people who can only play 4 hours a day. One has a rich dad and can spend $10k a month on video games, the other just plays the game. The rich fuck is going to be considerably farther ahead than the poor fuck.

Likewise, if you can grind all day every day and are also a trust fund baby, that puts you at a great advantage to those who are not.

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>>378166367
>Epic Farmer Online

>>378167331
is that not true with every MMO though? MMO's measure your progress in amount of time played unless they're shit trash themepark MMOs that you just play and drop in a week, if you only have 4 hours a day to play then you have a job and can spend money anyway, if you want to be miserly while not putting in the time then you have to live with the consequences

>>378167331
>Father along

Again, this is WoW logic.endgame goals for BDO are not the same as a themepark. There is simply nothing in the market that could constitute as pay to win only as quaility of life improvements. And frankly, I have no problem dropping a few bucks into an MMO that has no sub for stuff like a few extra inventory slots or cosmetic nonsense.

>>378158820
Call me Top Spaghetti Smasher.

>>378167063
Crafting in BDO has an intial high time investment, regardless of what you think constitutes as AFK or not. You are naive if you honestly believe crafting in BDO is good.

If you want to efficiently build boats, you're going to need a shitload of CP. A shitload of energy. A shitload of money. You will be going through a lot of RNG to get the best workers after investing all those CP into nodes and lodging and storages. Like, the worker RNG is probably going to cost you quite a bit in time and/or money.

So after hundreds of hours of investing into your crafting empire, you now have the ability to craft a certain piece of item efficiently. But where do you source your resources? The market never has things like logs. I guess you will have to chop 4000 logs yourself because workers can't farm generic logs. After 50 hours of farming those, you suddenly realize that with 13 characters you still lack the energy to complete it at once. You'll probably have to rely on energy potions you have crafted earlier sometime. After leaving your PC running for over half a week to finish the craft on it after 3 days of grinding the items for 20 hour a day, you sell it on the market for chump change.

Meanwhile, this is what a non-crafter does:
Buy shitty gear. Stack luck on it. Go home with 40 black stones after a hour. Sell it for 12 mil. Rinse and repeat, no need to afk, no need for expensive gear.

You must be a dense and/or underage idiot if you believe that "afk" for crafters is some sort of thing that benefits them. No, crafting in BDO is ridiculous and for cucks, because you waste thousands of hours into it for almost no pay off, where as just grinding mobs requires no investment. Crafters have to afk craft because it is a necessity that they do not want either and it is mainly done in phases where you would be sleeping anyway. Crafters spend more time at the game being not-afk, than in your entire afk and non-afk time career of BDO.

>>378167859
>>378167897
Like I originally said, it's been a while since I played. But when I did, there were items that would cost a decent amount of time grinding for, or you could wait around a buy them up off the AH for inordinate amounts of money when one finally popped up. If you can convert real money to in-game currency now, you could skip the whole god damn process and get the item without even earning the money. The effect is compounded when you take into account gook "Maybe your item gets destroyed" crafting magic. That's P2W to a T. All players will get to a certain point but you'll get there faster the more money to spend.

Also, I didn't play WoW.

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>>378167897
>I have no problem dropping a few bucks into an MMO that has no sub for stuff like a few extra inventory slots or cosmetic nonsense.

Black desert has a sub that gives you inventory slots and cosmetic nonsense.

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>Hurr BDO is shit

Name a single better sandbox MMO that is still alive. Dont bother saying eve, it went to shit with its last few updates.

Scratch that it doesn't even have to be better than BDO. Name a single decent sandbox MMO in general that is still alive

>>378155671
I believe you but it must have more than 6k players. Matrix Online got the plug pulled on it at 10k because costs were more than profits. Maybe it's 6k whales buying shit in their gemstore or whatever the fuck it's called.

>>378168896
>Name a single decent sandbox MMO in general that is still alive
Runescape
Star Wars Galaxies
Albion Online

>>378168896
>sandbox MMO
>sandbox
he may be the best one but it's still a pile of steaming shit as every other game of that genre.

>>378168456
I think your complaint is that crafting in BDO isn't a fulltime activity. Which it was never meant to be. It's more of an on the side thing. If you want to make boats permanently you've gotta also be a gatherer atleast and do more than just one thing. Period.


>If you want to efficiently build boats, you're going to need a shitload of CP. A shitload of energy. A shitload of money. You will be going through a lot of RNG to get the best workers after investing all those CP into nodes and lodging and storages. Like, the worker RNG is probably going to cost you quite a bit in time and/or money.

you need all that not just for building boats though, all that can be used for many many different things in game, and building the best boat in the game is an endgame type of thing, of course it's going to be hard and not handed to you

>Buy shitty gear. Stack luck on it. Go home with 40 black stones after a hour. Sell it for 12 mil. Rinse and repeat, no need to afk, no need for expensive gear.

completely not true, enchanting can be a black hole, i'm also not sure what you mean by stack luck on it there's no way to do that in game unless you're talking about failstacks


>You must be a dense and/or underage idiot if you believe that "afk" for crafters is some sort of thing that benefits them. No, crafting in BDO is ridiculous and for cucks, because you waste thousands of hours into it for almost no pay off, where as just grinding mobs requires no investment. Crafters have to afk craft because it is a necessity that they do not want either and it is mainly done in phases where you would be sleeping anyway. Crafters spend more time at the game being not-afk, than in your entire afk and non-afk time career of BDO.

thousands of hours? please, the best money in the game comes from certain active professions, crafting is not really a profession in the the game, it is tied to workers and everyone in the game has and uses workers for things other than crafting.

>>378168987
I said still alive you tard

>>378168987
old busted bitches

>>378169705
They have more players than BDO my man

>>378169665
>I think your complaint is that crafting in BDO isn't a fulltime activity.

Stopped reading right there, you possibly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Go play BDO. Crafting is more of a fulltime activity than just grinding mobs will ever be. It is a hell of a timesink for little to no reward.

Also who the fuck seriously enchants their gear? You can get TET gear for 700 million, don't kid yourself, you are retarded if you enchant it yourself rather than buying it off those poor suckers.

>>378155953
>This is why all of them are shit. Give me some MMO where item management, battle strategy or combat skills are relevant and any newcomer can stand a change against some retarded who vegetate for years but have 999999999gold and you're ok
Guild Wars 2

not like it's a good game, but

>>378169785
false

>>378168502
your scenario where someone pays full money and is an autist with endless freetime is basically non-existant and used for argument's sake only, that's not how it ends up working in game, 95% of people fall into the two categories and there's that small % that spend all their welfare on the game and literally have no life for a small weekly bump in cash, it's really not an issue in this game imho due to how punishing getting higher tiers of enchanting is anyway

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>>378170204
>Guild Wars 2
>wanting to be cheated

You are a bigger cuck if you play GW2 than you would be if you were to play BDO. A fucking level 1 can kill you in PvP in GW2, because invidivdual skill and gear is worthless.

>>378155953
>and any newcomer can stand a change against some retarded who vegetate for years

I honesty hate when people make this complaint. What you're looking for is a skill-based game and there are genre with gameplay much more suited to that than a damn clunky-ass MMORPG.

>>378165017
They haven't fixed this? I played this years ago, and that was the first issue I've had with the game.

>>378170037
>Also who the fuck seriously enchants their gear? You can get TET gear for 700 million, don't kid yourself, you are retarded if you enchant it yourself rather than buying it off those poor suckers.

you probably haven't enchanted very much, but if that was the case then nobody would post enchanted items on AH would they? yet the ah is saturated with tri this and that

>Crafting is more of a fulltime activity than just grinding mobs will ever be. It is a hell of a timesink for little to no reward.

it's not, I dunno where you're getting this from but no, and gathering is =/= crafting, you auto queue your workers to craft it's semi afk, end of story, I dunno what you're trying to craft but it's not that hard ounce you learn the ropes and nodes

>>378170525
>invidivdual skill and gear is worthless
Then what decides who wins?

>>378170938
who has the faster internet connection and the most luck with RNG crits

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>>378154039
I tried the Korean version a few years back and I could not get into it, I really feel like MMOs are a dead genre, they really are aimed towards longevity and the grind so the only real target audience are either NEETs or fucking teenagers with way too much time on their hands, no wonder I played this sort of bullshit when I was younger, but now every time I start up a new MMO and get near the endgame it starts feeling just like another fucking job and not fun at all

>>378170518
The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's any less of a shitty system. Just means it's less destructive than it could be.

>>378171428
This is specifically what makes me enjoy BDO. Most other MMOs are about getting to the endgame to start running raids. But BDO just lets you chill and do your own thing. Loading up my cart with trade goods then just popping around the land feels good man

>>378171575
Not him but for me it's not that bdo has no raids, it's that it has no content that challenges you.

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>>378165352
AA was propably the best MMO of the decade during the 2 first months though until the publisher killed it and people realized the endgame gachapon gear grind

>global chat banter
>housing and gardening
>trade routes
>sailing (I cant stress enough how good this was)
>meaningful territory PvP and excellent world PvP
>good class customization
>faction murders
>guilds actually mattering
>a sense of community where people would be infamous for certain things like murders and trade pack hijacking

>mfw the thunderstruck tree got added to cash shop, breaking the economy

>>378171575
that can be true I suppose, I liked "building" my own little town / supply lines in an early-ish city and fishing was kinda fun I guess, but it just got repetitive after a while

>>378155329
owned

Its 5 bucks good on steam as of last night.