Holy fuck, why is this DLC so brutally hard?

>>378071748
Because it's the best story DLC of all time and it knows it.

Because they bothered to fix the complaints from the main game like too little weapons or too easy bosses, unlike the shit with das3's dlcs

Probably because you went in there at a low level.

I went into it at lvl 50 my first time through it and it was pretty damn challenging. Second time I came back at lvl 80 and it was well silly how much easier it was.

>>378072123
I'm level 79 and it's still kicking my ass.

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>>378071748

YEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOWWW

>>378072178
Getting good is the only way you'll appreciate the story. The game wants you to sink time into it.

>>378072123
Best time to start DLC is immediately after the Fluffy White Dog Girl fight in NG+, assuming you didn't spend the endgame farming Blood Whatevers.

>>378072329
>IMPLYING he made it that far

I like how they put the Living Failures right before Maria, so you think 'wow that boss was easy/dumb' and then immediately you fight Maria. I think they knew what they were doing there

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>>378072329

I still haven't beat him

Feels bad man. My most recent character wan an ARC build. I really need to boot the game back up and finish the DLC

>>378072579
I think they were strapped for time and weren't able to make another area for Maria.

Then again, if the lab really was meant solely for the Failures and you've already ascended it, I don't see why they would want to make you ascend another tower just to reach the top of it and fight Maria.

>Game is on sale on the PSN Store for $17.50 this week
>Also includes Old Hunters DLC since its the Complete Edition

If you haven't got the game yet this is worth it.

>>378071748
lol. it really isnt difficult.

>>378073003
Only thing I find difficult is the beginning since you don't have a weapon right off the bat.

>>378072705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwAl4ALTB0

>>378072579
>tfw died over a dozen times to the living failures
>oneshot Maria and cleared every other boss within three tries
Help.

>>378071748
They probably figured that if you liked the game enough to go out of your way to buy the DLC, you were pretty good and would like the challenge. I think it was a good move. It's like devs did with old vidya expansion packs.

>>378072329
>kosm

>>378073274
This. I wish more devs made their DLC like expansion packs.

>>378073003
We can't all be pros like you, anon.

>>378074048
>video games
>hard

You must be 18 to post here

>>378073190
>I also died to the living failures more than any other dlc boss
More like The Living Champs

>>378071748
you can access it at lvl 30 and it's designed to be started around lvl 60

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>trying to kill Orphan on a pure arcane build to be a tentacle man
God damn that was painful

Guys I need persuading to go back to this game. I loved it but the game was just so fucking hard that I quit out of frustration and incompetence

>>378075067
summon some butt buddies. There are people who literally spend hours helping out on the same boss

I beat every boss in the DLC in under 5 tries including Maria which I one shot, however Laurence took me like 30+ anyone else have the same experience?

>>378072705

Over level to anything about 135+

He becomes a joke even solo to fight by that point.

>>378075873
Laurence is a cunt.

HArdest just under pthumerian descendant

>>378075873
Laurence needs his health cut in half, he's way too tedious.

>>378075979
If you're not some PVP autist, is there a reason to stop leveling?

>>378071748
Guys, who's nightmare was it? Was it Gehrman's?

Just started Bloodborne(got from the PSN Sale) and got the Saw Spear and I was wondering where do I go to level up my stats? I know its in the Hunter's Dream but where in the Dream do I go to level up?

>>378077189
The doll, once you gain 1 insight she will stand up and allow you to spend blood echoes to level.

>>378077189
Yoiu need to have at least 1 Insight (attained from Madman's knowledge or seeing a boss) then go talk to the doll in the dream

>>378071748

Started playing this game. Incredibly boring, I fall asleep halfway through the beginning city. Does the game get good later on, because it's dull, lifeless, and boring to play now. It's not even difficult, it's just a dull slog to play through.

>>378073190
That happened to me. Living Failures is tricky due to multiple enemies and the meteor storm. Maria is tough, but she also has 0 poise and so is completely destroyed by the pizza cutter.

>>378077954
She's also super easy to parry.

How do I arcane build and is it worth it

>>378071748
It's dark souls. What do you expect? If it's to hard you don't have to play it.

>>378071860
It is the best story DLC by far
>>378071748
Unfortunately Dark Souls 3 has this game beat in terms of difficulty after that last DLC.

The Demon, Gearfried, and Midas were all harder than anything bloodborne had to offer.

And in my first time in Dark souls history I had to summon for Gearfried, Midir, and Nameless King. They were just too fucking hard (for my ds3 faith build).

>>378078447
is this a joke?

das 3 is the easiest souls game, nothing in any of its contents comes close to ludwig or laurence

>>378075873
same here fuck laurence forever
maria, ludwig, and orphan were great bosses

>try fighting OoK once
>run out of blood vials
>never play the game again
guess that's that

If the humanoid bosses are too hard, start using guns and viscerals. I levelled my tinge to 25 and use ludwigs rifle and that shit made awful bosses like the chalice Pthumerian descendent a joke

Bloodbros, why is this game easily so much better than all other Souls series games, rivalling Das 1?
>no PVP cancer
>great end game content with the chalice dungeons
>bosses are frightening, original, tough but fair and satisfying to beat
>doll Maria >>>>> all other Das girls
This game really is a 9/10 easily with the dlc. And to think I shitposted about this game being overrated back when the game launched and I didnt have a PS4

>>378078681
Or some say Kosm

>>378074953
you earned your tendrils

>>378079215
>PVP cancer
There's literally nothing wrong with PVP. PVP is what made Dark souls amazing

Ludwig is 1000x the nigger that OoK is

>>378078560

More along the lines of me being biased on my play throughs.

I forget that people with melee builds (the 99% who played the game) think Laurence is the hardest shit on the planet.

Ludwig I think could be defined as the hardest boss in the series though, unless he can be cheesed. As I forgot Nameless King, Demons, Gearfried and Midir could be cheesed with ranged/magic.

>>378076553
the answer is no, unless you specifically wanna gimp yourself in ng+ for whatever reason

>>378073190

Living failures is such a shit and unengaging boss that you just try to brute force it.

>>378072329
I didn't expect to actually feel anything for him. But jesus christ you can hear the sorrow in his screaming.

>>378080274
Living failures was a good boss thematically though.

Though mechanically the boss was pretty bad and random.

I bought it on Ng++ and i cant get past maria, im getting my shit kicked in

KOS

OR SOME SAY

KOSM

>>378078165
Its fun but you have to use chalice dungeon gems to have a good weapon

>>378079823
Killing orphan with piss weak viscerals made me git gud real quick. Worth it

>>378080281
You are exaggerating a bit by saying "easiest games in the history of gaming".

Bloodborne is a pretty hard game. If you are experienced with games it won't be, but it still will be an amazing atmospheric game and an absolute masterpiece.

>>378073190
Same here anon

Struggled with the Living Failures but destroyed Maria after just a few tries

>>378080601

It's a copy pasta m8.

>>378080281
k

>>378077627
It's ok anon, not everyone likes the same shit. Might as well drop it now

Some areas are less dark than others but the same basic gameplay is the same

You definitely won't like the Chalice Dungeons, which are a huge part of the post-game content

I've 100% every souls game but every time I play Bloodborne I progress a bit then just feel like stopping even though I'm enjoying it.

I feel like I'm just burnt out but it's been a year of this now, has anyone else had burn out from a type of game go on for literal this long?

Other than maybe MMOs I've never felt like this with a game I'm enjoying before. Also because of it I keep trying to brute force areas and that's not helping.

>>378080946

Yeah this happens to everybody. Playing a game for hundreds of hours and getting bored of it?

Sounds like a foreign concept to me.

>>378071748
Its not if you actually level up and play it when you're supposed to, which is near end game. Its hard yes but the only fucker who actually made me sweat cause he killed me so much was OoK

>>378072178
Not strong enough, I was in my 90's and I still had to grind.

>>378080281
Holy shit no you again

>>378080946
>has anyone else had burn out from a type of game go on for literal this long?
I have. I havent started DaS3 due to series fatigue

>>378072579
Yeah I was pretty pissed about that, i already hated the living failures and then had to deal with Maria manhandling me

>>378080946
That's normal

I had this happen to FPS games, now it's RTS, just take a break and it'll come back, you won't miss anything if you play a single player game later on

>>378081323
>>378072579

So nobody liked the arena look with the lumenflowers, the weird ass looking bosses and the MARS soundtrack?

Wow.

>>378080946
>Also because of it I keep trying to brute force areas and that's not helping.

If you're bruteforcing the need to go get more blood vials probably adds to the tedium in a major way.

Blood vials were a mistake.

>>378075873
How the fuck was Laurence hard for anyone? He's literally fire cleric beast, yeah he gains more range when he loses his legs but parrying behind him AFTER he spills lava helps. I beat him my first try. Ludwig's insane ass however, over here Getsuga Tensho'n a nigga to death.

>>378080030
hahahaha

you're completely right if you omit "dueling" from that statement

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Probably the coolest moment of the recent From soft ARPGs. I had no idea the Holy Moonlight Sword was coming and I lost my shit so hard when I saw him holding it.

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>>378081448
I actually really loved that fight, especially the soundtrack and the meteor attack

>>378081530

Yeah we were both Arcane Bankai users. Laurence is really easy with mage builds.

>>378071748
lol this is literally just Bosses: Reskinned: The DLC

Kos = Gehrman
Maria = Crow of Kainhesrt
Living failures = Celestial missionary
Ludwig = Darkbeast paarl
Laurence = CLeric Beast

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>>378071748
Is this game 60 fps yet or what holy fucking shit

>>378072178

You on New Game Plus?

>>378080946
This was me when I first bought it cause I didnt know WHAT the fuck I was doing and the unforgiving death punishments were brutal so I stopped, Picked it up last month to seriously give it a shot and not own it but not play it like a bitch, and goddamn when you actually make some progress and kill a few bosses it hypes the fuck outta you. Put this game off for 2 years, yet I beat it in about 3 weeks flat playing a couple hours a night.

>>378081759

Wrong about every one except Laurence.

Which half the fight was Cleric beast with saiyan flames.

>>378073190
I still can't beat living failure. I'm too scared to play it again. Ludwig only took 3 tries.

>>378081717
How does that happen?

>>378081712
True Kino

>>378081448
The area was beautiful, but failed aliens trying to spirit bomb me to death isnt fun

>>378081974
Sleep tight lady maria

>>378081885
If you kill the Living Failures fast enough they never get to transition into the cosmic worship phase, which bugs out and keeps one of them alive forever. He can even follow you into Maria's fight and fight you with Maria.

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>>378081885
>How does that happen?
Super rare case of the boss dying the very second a new Failure is spawning and doesn't register the "kill all failures" event

Was fun, made him fight Maria with the shaman bone but she just 4-hit combo'd him to death

>>378080281
Have you seen a therapist yet?

>>378081759
Ludwig is nowhere near Paarl senpai, Paarl was confusing simply cause of how he moved, Ludwig was actually super aggressive. He gave me almost no recovery time and even worse his second phase only wanted to do spirit sword beam slashes.

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I loved the Living Failures if only for the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DpyeujG8A8
>mfw the arena becoming the cosmos and raining dozens of blacksky eye meteors down

>>378080743
You never know. 10 hour anon does occasionally rear his head.

>>378082326
Pretty sure 10dayanon was banned a while back

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>>378072123
I'm maining the Kikehammer and my strength is 60, what other stats should I level?

>>378080339
Honestly, I feel worse for those poor snail dudes. They're pretty much defenseless, and you slaughter their entire villiage.

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>>378072329
oooOOOAAAOOH!!

>Can't kill Maria only by stone.
Huh

>>378082862
you shouldn't take any stat over 50 because of diminishing returns

VIT should always be leveled up to 40-50

>>378072329
Beat him on my first try with the blades of mercy. Humanoid bosses are my jam.

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>>378083879
EYYAAAAAAAAAGH!!
>*ker-SLAM!!!*

>>378080281
man these other replies sure don't appreciate a good copypasta appropriation

Any church pick man in?

>>378076159
>pthumerian descendant
i'll still have nightmares about him

Man, the only thing fucked me over and over were those motherfuckers inside the well who kept Maria's weapon

>>378083879
>>378084596
>beast versus kin
Love the bestclaws with the rune, though I think it gimps your roll/dash i-frames or something

>>378085071
HMPH

>>378085174
the Orphan's not kin

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>ah, kos. some say kosm.

>>378085472
And the player is not beast, and they are the same anyway as they stem from the same thing, you get what I mean

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>>378080281

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>>378085250

>>378085556
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>378080281
Like clockwork

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>>378077627

>first game used ludwigs and fell in love with it
>have to force myself not to use it now

I just stop playing halfway through every time.

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>>378085556
Stirs and churns unending!

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>>378072329

>>378086021
Kirkhammer, now

charged r2 into the followup R2 is literal sexfun

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>>378086126
>go for a backstab
>land the charged R2
>send them FLYING with the followup R2

>>378086021
Do full arcane build or bloodtinge. They're both super unique

>>378086274
Already tried both. Bowblade seemed interesting but didn't feel like going through the DLC again.

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>>378081759
Gehrman and Orphan fight nothing alike.

Orphan is easy to hit, retaliates quickly & relentlessly, and has a ton of health.
Gehrman is hard to hit, strikes first & backs off, and doesn't have much health.

>>378072123
It's 'okay' at lvl 70 and the end game gems (not chalice) on ng.

For NG+ lvl 125 and 50 vit, it will still be challenging even with chalice gems. The health boost is insane.

>>378077627
Change your playing style. The game does not stay fun when you play safe.

Once you just decide to charge in and ignore your stamina meter, take risks and reap the rewards, its very fun. Also fun in souls games is always relative to your level. Over leveling can ruin the fun, underleveling as well, and thirdly the feeling that if you level up you might spoil the game for yourself, is always there, which hampers the experience. The third criticism is a flaw in the souls gameplay system itself.

I'm almost level 150 (ng+). Am I too overleveled to start the DLC?

>>378085174
>>378085472

Dunno if I should do a Kos or Beast Claw build.

>>378086614

Guy you replied to, the only fun part of the game that I enjoy is seeing other people's deaths and notes.

Other than that, the dodging and combat is just boring.

>>378086705
NG++ would be about right.

Why the fuck are you SL150

>>378086747
Arcane could be more fun since you'll need to do both in NG+ basically, and with arcane you'll not only have the tentacles, but also a bunch of great arcane tools to mess around with

With beast claws you will be playing a high risk high reward game. The damage will be great, but you'll also likely be two-shot by a lot of things in NG+ if you get the beast meter high enough

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>>378086705
Yes. But really, you can never be too over-leveled if you suck. DSP was around that level when he dropped the game because he couldn't beat Ludwig (regular NG) after like 6 hours of trying

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>tfw

>offshape waning heavy abyssal which means I can now guse my 2 radial blunt gems instead of farming for 12 years to get a triangle blunt

YES

SOON, I WILL HAVE 50 STR LOG WHEEL SMASHY SMASH PERFECTION

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>>378086463
i love those 15 fps

god i hate this shit game, its not fun when your watching things react in slowmotion to your ocd, atleast ds3 can fuckin keep the consistent 60fps gameplay, probably why console babies cant play it

>>378087202
keep it coming anon, I jerk off to your tears

I own a PS3 and PS4 and have access to every single fromsoft game that matters, whereas you have only played the rehashes of true greatness

>>378086921
I don't really grind, I just level up when I have a lot of blood. I finished the base game at around level 80 and started ng+ in order to beat the first bosses required for the DLC. Since I'm waiting for the DLC to get on sale, I'm going through the chalice dungeons and trying my hand at some bosses that kicked my ass on the original playthrough.

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sparkly light is distracting

>>378087098
Kirkhammer with blunt gems is OP as fuck in PVP

All you need is 50 strength and the right gems and you can do like 830 damage per hit against another player. It's not even hard to hit them with the L2 attacks

>>378087084
Actually he was in ng+, since he had already finished the game.

>>378081448
Best theme in my opinion, especially after the meteor storm.

>>378087553
fucking this


>Throw out the slow consecutive hammer R1's, and wait for them to 100% dodge to the left of you to do their attack

>You've already pressed L2

or

>Oh damn, your kirkhammer charged R2 is so slow anon! Why did you think I would get hit by that? I'm just gunna move back and then swoop in as you've fini-

FOLLOWUP R2 INSTAKILL

GG NO RE

Thinking about picking up the complete edition since its in sale. What's the most OP build?

Keep in mind, I've only played demon souls up to the hueg knight.

>>378088342
STR

Hunters Axe/Kirkhammer/Log Wheel/Cannon/Gatling Gun

>>378088342
Bloodtinge gives you the highest AR in the game but only with korean gems.

>>378088342
Strength, start with the Axe then go to the DLC and get the Whirlgig saw, hold L2 to win the game

>>378088342
Easiest to Hardest Builds:
STR/SKL/Quality>BLT>ARC
BLT and ARC, mostly ARC though gotta grind for the best gems

>>378088590
>tfw beat this game like 14 times
>still absolute shit with the wheel

I wasn't meant to purge those disgusting Vilebloods

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Before I got the game, I heard people on /v/ say that one of the major cons of BB is that it has some of the worst PVP in the Soulsborne series.

Why makes people think this?

>>378088732
You have to go down to the depth 5 root chalice dungeons to get some of the best gems for your weapons.

>>378071748
You're (probably) underleveled

>>378088732
PVP is bad because gems exist and let you literally 2 shot anyone with anything so fights are over way to quickly.

Bloodgems should never ever have had straight up attack increase. They should've ONLY been passive augments, like stamina use down, healing up, rally up, counter attack up. Only things like Charge attacks up should've been possible to get more straight up damage out of a weapon.

50 STR saw cleaver with gems is like 800AR after paper buff and it's faster than das1 falchion. It's fucking stupid.


It's why pvp was actually best when the game first came out because no one was korean yet.

>>378088638
But if you min/max right BLT and ARC will let you literally oneshot everything

>>378088843
What Chalice is the best for gems? Im currently just doing cursed Pthumeru with FRC offerings. Should I try loran or Isz?

>>378089392
True, I'm just saying the amount of work/grind you gotta do till then

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>>378088732
>I heard people on /v/ say that one of the major cons of BB is that it has some of the worst PVP in the Soulsborne series.
I've PVPd in every game and none of them come close to Bloodborne's fast PVP

You're going to need chalice gems to stand a chance against the more advanced players but once you get gems that put you close to the range of the most powerful ones (like the from the screaming meemees in the Nightmare) - you're pretty much on equal footing (which does depend on how actually good you are at the game).
Since everyone has the same 14 or so weapons, you can take multiple hits without healing due to rallying and you don't even need to put yourself in harms way to parry its a blast.
Except for Kos Parasite users, fuck them

>>378088843
>>378089170

you don't have to have those gems to compete if you're good at spacing and reading your enemy. You can easily get by with brain-doll gems from the story mode - the difference between those gems and FRC gems is the difference between killing in 2-4 hits and killing in 3-5.

Lots of more casual players do random pvp and have shitty gems. They just don't do "duels" and use blood vials when they're hurt, to make up for all the huge damage they take from their opponent's gemmed up weapons.

Also you kind of *need* gems in order to have a chance at fighting back against gank squads. PvP is not all just about duels. I love the sense of desperation you feel when it's a "dirty" fight featuring high damage gems, blood vials and cautious gankers

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>>378089470
If you've ever taken a look at the gem slots on your weapons, there are three basic shapes to them. The radial, triangle, and waning. All pthumeru give radial, while loran give waning and isz give triangle. Of course, there is a chance to get a different shape on a specific dungeon ie triangle in a pthumeru dungeon.

Pic related, red and yellow are both radial and green is waning.

I think Kos its kind of cool dont you think?
Do you think we will get to see her alive in Bloodborne 2?

>>378072329
This fucking guy killed me probably 40 times, and each and every time it was something I could identify that I did wrong.

Amazing boss fight.

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>>378090064

>Tfw you'll never give Kos another orphan.

>>378089930
Ok thanks, I was wondering why I was hardly getting any triangle or waning gems.

>>378072329
Was able to beat him after a couple tries on my STR character, but I can't seem to beat him with my DEX one.

Its not really.

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>>378090305
We only saw her carcass but if they gave us a look at how she looked when she was rocking it, it would be pretty nice.
do you think she rocked some nice tits for example?

>>378073190
I had to fucking look up how to beat the living failures. Didn't do that for any of the other DLC bosses. Still didn't wreck me as much as Lawrence, though.

NOT A SINGLE MEAN-SPIRITED "GIT GUD" IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD

Bloodborne really is the game that brought /v/ together

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>>378088732
ds2 pvpers can't handle fast fights, they are retarded

>>378091164
>dash forward and R1
>dash backward / sprint away and heal
>repeat
>repeat
So fun.

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I was stuck on Ludwig for like a week straight
Hours of playing and losing then stopping for a day and then going back in and losing
I was on like NG+++ and doing a low level run
It was fucking brutal
Should have just made a new character when I bought the DLC but I just trudged through it
I can say though without a doubt in my mind that Ludwig and Orphan are the two best bosses in the entire series and pretty much nothing except Gwyn no parrying allowed even comes close.

>>378086921
Cause fuck the meta. Fucking neets acting like leveling a character into the 200s and 300s is hard.

>>378080281
You have a problem man, every single fucking BB thread "I platinum'd it in 10 days", it's not impressive, it's not a hard game to plat, playing it 12 hours a day I'm not surprised you did it, it'd be more unusual if you didn't.

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>>378091623
>when the music perfectly transitions into the second phase cutscene
>when you finally bring him down to the visceral attack in the second phase

>>378072705
You can get free backstabs for days with the Augur. Even in his second form (although it's much harder)

>>378088342
Why are you here?

>>378091962
Also, that one rune that makes visceral attacks give you HP makes viscerals on OoK heal ridiculous amounts for some reason- more than enough to heal you to full most of the time.

>tfw people said bloodtinge was useless as fuck back when it was released
>did a small YouTube video showing the power of repeating pistol + bone ash and the power of Chikage on the ayylien bosses
>general goes apeshit

Ahhh good times

>>378092036
Why are you here?

>>378073190
Living Failures is super hard for low level runs. I can rock Ludwig for days but those fucks love to bounce you around on the end of their hitboxes, its infuriating.

>>378089170
>everyone has 20 heals
>can have more with runes
It has s to be this way.

>>378085556
>ah, kos. some say kosm.

I still have no idea what, if any, significance this name thing has.

>>378092131
I asked you first.

>>378072785
They specifically stated that if the game were two DLC packs instead of one (which was the initial plan) that the Astral Clocktower would have been its own area. Which would have been pretty neat but I think the Research Hall was a good vertical area too.

>>378091164
The movement and attack animations in Dark Souls 2 are disgusting, very floaty and sluggish. As if the character is underwater. Bloodborne is perfect in both aspects.

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>>378091912
Feels fucking amazing

>>378092409
I asked you second.

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>>378088732
People who don't actually PVP in Bloodborne. I've had so much fun with fight clubs in /bbg/ and invading people all over. If you twink you can hit anywhere from Cathedral Ward to the end game, and there are more ways to handle ganks and blood vial spammers than there are in DaS3.

The invasion system is clunkier than the other games which, combined with the lower amount of builds and weapons, makes people act like PVP is bad.

>Everyday, without fail, at least 2 or 3 of these threads pop up

The game is fucking 2 years old, get over it already

I just realised the Orphan of Kos uses a trick weapon

>>378092798
"No".

>want to play again
>already have 10 builds with korean gems
>nobody plays to help in co-op with anyway even if I started

Same problem with DaS1. I play the game too much and then run out of things to do.

>>378092798
Get over what? People still play it. People still enjoy it.

My first character was a STR build. Should I got Skill / Bloodtinge next or Bloodtinge/ Skill?

Grant us eyes.

>Playing with my bros when some fuck invades and kills us all with the bloodletter
Which one of you cunts was it.

>>378092798
I dont play it much anymore, but new people keep picking the game up and getting excited over it, and whenever they make threads I post in them

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>>378093119
Honestly I would say Bloodtinge with minimal skill (or 25 if you really want to push it), since it lets you use the Chikage and the Bowblade. If you go pure skill with minimal bloodtinge, it doesn't really help you out that much since your range options will be pretty half assed.

I'm more of a Strength/Bloodtinge person myself

>>378093119
Don't do a hybrid bloodtinge. Chikage either scales with skill OR bloodtinge, depending on the form it's currently in. Never both. Same goes for bow blade and bloodletter (with regards to blt/str)

Honestly, BLT hybrid builds are the stupidest you can do. Do ARC/STR or something if you want to do 2 stats.

>>378092741
I've yet to play the dlc and will jump back in soon. Is the pvp still alive?

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>>378088732

What gets people's jimmies rustled is that to properly invade the host needs to activate a summoning item that automatically brings ally phantoms into the world, whilst also summoning a NPC that can summon red phantoms

While it eliminates the constant fear of, "Oh man oh jeez I hope some Vileblood doesn't come out of nowhere and fuck my ass" once you kill the enemy NPC, but if that's not the case then you have a similar problem that you had in DS3
>GEE HOST HOW COME FROM LETS BRING FRIENDS?
>3v1 REEEEEEE I WANT TO GANK
So that's another layer of butthurt

Of course that's only for Vilebloods, Hoonter of Hoonters is a whole different story and has the potential to create some hilarious moments of betrayal that Grape phantoms could only dream off.

>>378093462
I invaded in the Frontier last week and went from 39 Insight to 80 insight from invasions, never waiting more than 30 seconds. I would say that its pretty fun, although I don't know how active PVP in the DLC areas is. I will say that I did get summoned for coop pretty quickly in the DLC though, and with the sale I'd imagine more people are playing it now.

>>378082456
no. I'm still here. I can't believe you people are still salty at how I pointed out easy your game is, lol

>>378093421
Are you retarded?

There is literally NOTHING wrong with BLD hybrid builds. 40SKILL/STR + 40 BLD is a perfectly nasty build. One route is perfect for high damage criticals and parries and the other is for gatling gun strong man bullying

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>>378093970
Are you retarded? Neither option you suggest is possible at the same time. With the Bloodletter, you'd have to untrick/trick to alter playstyles to employ strength, which drains health. With the chikage, you can't parry while tricked and the most viable option with that weapon is unzipping.

Do 40/40 and you'll get destroyed by a pure 50 BLT with the remaining stats invested elsewhere. Not to mention you can't use BLT gems effectively without making SKL/STR irrelevant entirely on the weapon, losing on on further damage.

Scrub.

>>378072329
i can't wait until this game might come to pc so i can kick his ass with the power of godmode.

>>378086357
You can get the bowblade at the beginning of the DLC by killing Simon.

>>378080281
isn't that like 240 hours?

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>>378094365

>i can't wait until this game might come to pc

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>>378094260
>With the Bloodletter, you'd have to untrick/trick to alter playstyles to employ strength, which drains health.
Not him, but duh. This is why you time your TF attacks to make up the damage and play smart. And if you really think Str/Blt isn't a thing then you need to think again.

You can buy blood rocks with insight right?

>>378071748
i think this is one of the few times when /v/ is actually right, might give this thing another try soon.

>>378094970
Yup, 60 insight for a rock, 20 for a chunk. I think Micolash has to be dead to buy rocks though.

>>378094951
BLT/STR is only a thing for stupid people and having to attempt to land an attack just to transform so that you can play slightly differently (and deal less damage than someone who isn't a hybrid) is completely moronic.

SKL/STR? Sure. Weapons scale off of both, you'll deal more damage than someone with just STR or just SKL. STR/ARC? Same thing. But BLT hybrid builds are the dumbest thing people in this game do and it's baffling.

>>378095082
>I think Micolash has to be dead to buy rocks though.
Wet Nurse has to be dead for that, Reborn for chunks

>>378095082
Cool, I was dreading chalice spelunking.

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Did you know you can use the backstep -> R1 attack of Ludwig's Holy Blade like a shield (when two-handed)? It reduces damage taken by like 95% and just makes you lose a bunch of stamina instead.

You can do it as well with the 2H Kirkhammer, by pressing backstep -> R1 and also by sprinting and pressing R1

>Bloodborne is best Souls game Y/N

>>378094951
>killing someone in mensis with only 841 health
Hardly something impressive.

>>378095232
Interesting, but the downside is you have to use Ludwigs and people will make fun of you.

>>378095121
I realize about the scaling thing. But why don't you go look at the required stats for the Church Cannon, and tell me how you're supposed to use it without bloodtinge or strength?

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>>378095275
>tfw doing a FRC pthumeru root chalice and you generate witches spawning mad ones

>>378095149
Oh thanks, didn't realize it was her specifically.

>>378095194
Chalices are pretty fun stuff though, its only shitty offshape BLT grinding that I hate

>>378095275
Sorry mate, don't have many webms saved of that build. And you'd be surprised at how many sub 1000 Health players you get at Mensis.

>>378095508
Church cannon isn't worth the stat investment. You're gimping yourself for it and it's retarded. No decent player gets caught out by a cannon and the evelyn only uses 1 bullet.

>>378071748
Because you re playing it in NG+

>>378095612
>And you'd be surprised at how many sub 1000 Health players you get at Mensis.
Bizarre. I have 1500+ on all of my builds. VIT is one of the most important stats in this game, especially in PvP.

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What do you guys think of my low lvl co-op helper qt?

>>378095421
only if you just mash R1 with it like a scrub.
It's rare to find someone who is good at using the whole LHB moveset. It actually has 4 unique transform attacks rather than the normal two.

>>378095675
>Church cannon isn't worth the stat investment.
I disagree, its pretty fun and is great for coop.

>You're gimping yourself for it and it's retarded.
Would you like to PVP? I'm on NG+ or ++ but I could certainly summon you in. I think its more effective than you're giving it credit for.

>No decent player gets caught out by a cannon and the evelyn only uses 1 bullet.
Its a good thing that I can use the Evelyn too, then.

You're coming across kind of embarrassing.

>>378096025
>You're coming across kind of embarrassing.
>1v1 me!
You're offering no rebuttal aside from "but muh co-op" to which, no, it's not good in co-op since it uses too many bullets compared to simply using the bow blade like someone who isn't a retard. But that aside, we're not talking PvE. Min/maxing is irrelevant in PvE. Literally just use what you like. But it doesn't mean your build is complete garbage and you've wasted points that could've been better spent in vitality.

>>378095958
>bl30
Cool build but isn't it hip to stay at bl29 so you dodge bl43 twinks?

My bl29 arcane character was a bitch and a half to make, I can't imagine how big of a pain it is to try and set up a twink without any ranged options for combat.

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>>378096194
I can't be invaded, I've done everything and all the chalices and no twink invades FRC.
Here's one of my twinks though, since you mentioned you had a lvl 29 arcane build.

>>378096187
Well, when your every post is LOL YOUR BUILD IS SILLY, I don't think it comes across as unnatural to suggest PVPing. If you're not wanting to, more power to you; I'm busy watching NASA anyways.

>no, it's not good in co-op since it uses too many bullets compared to simply using the bow blade like someone who isn't a retard.
Anon, you need to calm down. The church cannon's benefit over the evelyn is because all of that damage is dealt out at once in a wide radius. Its fantastic for crowd control and for larger beast bosses.

>But it doesn't mean your build is complete garbage and you've wasted points that could've been better spent in vitality.
Nope, 40 vit has worked well enough for me.

>>378086851
Then drop it and play something else.

>>378096413
Every reply I make with regards to BLT hybrids puts forward an argument as to why they're inferior. Be it scaling, the need to untrick with the bloodletter, inability to make use of the most powerful gems. You have offered no rebuttal other than "but church cannon!"

And I didn't say the evelyn, I said bow blade, which is vastly superior for PvE and as for crowd control, the bloodletter literally has an attack that deals damage to multiple enemies in a radius.

And if you have 40/40 and 40 vit, I imagine your "build" is too overleveled to actually even be considered a build at all. Post a screenshot of it if you would.

>>378085556
I unironically loved the Micolash fight. It's thematically fantastic, and going around the library was neat.

>BB2 rumored to be announced
>Feel no excitement

I dont know. Does it really need a sequel?

>>378096736
From's track record with numbered sequels isn't promising.

>>378080281
I missed you Mr Ten Days.

>>378096607
My rebuttal was based off stats. If I want to use a weapon like the church cannon, I need strength and bloodtinge.

>And I didn't say the evelyn, I said bow blade.
Yeah that's my bad.

>the bloodletter literally has an attack that deals damage to multiple enemies in a radius.
Whch builds frenzy and can fuck you completely if you use it, depending on the circumstances.

>And if you have 40/40 and 40 vit, I imagine your "build" is too overleveled to actually even be considered a build at all. Post a screenshot of it if you would.
Sure, just give me a second. I'm BL98; is that low enough to be considered a proper build, my lord?

>>378080281
>see BB thread in catalog
>over 250 replies
>ctrl+f "10 days"
and of course I find you
I think you are having more fun shitposting about BB and whining about your bans than you did actually playing the game, which says a lot about you really. Chill out dude, let other people like something even if you don't.

>>378093472
>Hoonter of Hoonters
How does this work? I equipped that for the bonus and suddenly I was summoned. I thought I was helping someone and they killed me, I had no fucking clue what was happening.

>>378097026
>My rebuttal was based off stats
The stats required to use the church cannon, again, your only rebuttal is "but church cannon!"
And if you're making the argument that you can potentially harm yourself with frenzy while at the same time advocating tricking/untricking bloodletting by attempting to catch someone in the attack of the transformation, you're a hypocritical moron.

>>378095232
awesome webm, I wish I was this good. I don't understand how to use backstep moves without getting raped

>>378091912
Is there a more kino boss fight in all of vidya? DD's Grigori is about the only fight that feels as hype as that shit for me.

>doing DLC for the first time on NG+

The nightmare it was doing Ludwig.

Name a better Souls boss than Orphan of Kosm

pro tip: You can't

>>378097412
Muh ria

>The stats required to use the church cannon, again, your only rebuttal is "but church cannon!"
Well duh, because I wanted to use the Church Cannon. That being said, Amy Arm + Gatling Gun is a combo unique to Str/Blt builds, so there you go, there's your rebuttal.

>And if you're making the argument that you can potentially harm yourself with frenzy while at the same time advocating tricking/untricking bloodletting by attempting to catch someone in the attack of the transformation, you're a hypocritical moron.
Nope, just making the argument that the L2 has drawbacks that you felt fine with looking over.

You're not worth the effort for a screenshot, so

>Vit:40
>End:10
>Str:28
>Skl:14
>Blt: 50

BL98.

Honestly, a Bloodtinge build sounds boring as fuck to me. Sure you have the great damage, but you're essentially narrowed down to 3 or 4 weapons.

>>378097192
see
>>378097505
But you're probably intelligent enough to figure that out.

>>378097543
Shooting stuff to death is a lot cooler than it sounds in Bloodborne

>>378097351
Yes. Gehrman

>>378097543
Its pretty cool to shoot stuff, though, and the BLT weapons are all interesting and unique from one another.

>>378095983
I thought weapons only had 1 transform attack, what the fuck.

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Beat the game once and spend my days dueling in Nightmare Frontier. Fuck me is Nightmare Frontier ever a comfy ass location.

>>378096736
I hope not. It was perfectly self contained, it doesn't need a sequel to shit all over it.

>>378097686
Each weapon transforming into the other mode has a unique attack. So Saif tricked into untricked is different than untricked into tricked, for example.

>>378097686
every weapon has two normal transform attacks: one for going untricked -> tricked and another for going tricked -> untricked.

Ludwig's Holy Blade and the Kirkhammer both have additional unique transform attacks that you can do by pressing R1 immediately after tricking / untricking your weapon normally. The killing blow in the webm in >>378095232 is one of them

>>378097505
>Amy Arm + Gatling Gun
Again, vastly inferior damage to just using the bloodletter or chikage. Even more retarded than your argument for the church cannon, so it's a very poor rebuttal, especially when it can't refute the primary drawbacks of attempting to use both BLT and STR in a fight, as I've listed (gem usage, no dual scaling etc..). Gimping yourself for the sake of using a few different weapons.

I didn't look over the drawbacks, if you want to be effective with the bloodletter, frenzy resistance is important and much easier to manage than an attempt to regen health by tricking the bloodletter. Simply pointing out that it's much more effective at crowd control while also not using any bullets.
As for your build:
>10 endurance
Can barely even use anything requiring strength anyway, swing bloodletter or amy arm twice maybe? Lol.
>14 skl
Literally fucking up your build so much you missed the opportunity for 15 to use the bow blade. 1 of only 3 useful bloodtinge weapons in the game.

You literally leveled your str for church canon/gattling gun. That's it. And it's idiotic.

>>378098017
>Again, vastly inferior damage to just using the bloodletter or chikage.
I don't think you get the Amy Arm + Gatling Gun pairing. Its not about the raw damage, its about positioning and range.

>Literally fucking up your build so much you missed the opportunity for 15 to use the bow blade. 1 of only 3 useful bloodtinge weapons in the game.
I'm not really feeling the Bowblade on this character. Besides I could always just level more if the need ever struck me.

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>>378098210
It's clear at this point you'll jump though any hoops you can to justify the time spent on your build, regardless of how stupid it is.

>>378097752
but what if the sequel is good? That's out of the question right? Maybe FROM wants to prove that they can do a good job on a sequel.

Besides, this is the first time they're making one that doesn't involve Bamco's meddling

>>378096736
I just want more. I don't care if it's DLC or a sequel. The game hasn't even been updated once since fucking 2015

>>378097746
It's now clear that the word 'comfy' has lost any shred of meaning or weight that it may have previously carried, at least on this website

>>378072329
Haven't killed him yet and I've had the DLC for a year.

>>378098526
Doesn't it bother you that there's a weapon in the game you've never used?

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Whats the pvp level meta and hot spots
Also tell me about the list of strength weapons
Went with a quality build on my first run with the saw cleaver then eventually ludwigs but their pretty bland when it comes to their moveset

>>378098402
See, it just comes across like you have zero experience with the weapons you're critiquing. I'd be very curious if you ever used Amy Arm at all.

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>>378098513
>wow like, subjective feelings that are different than mine are like, SO dumb ugh

Go be a fag somewhere else.

>>378098705
bl43 and 98 are the levels to consider stopping at.

>>378098705
Mensis is the usual place for PvP, ranges from about 100-125 or so. Nightmare frontier sometimes too, same level, but you can also get PvP there around the lvl 80 mark.

As for strength weapons, with +65 scaling gems, practically everything can be a strength weapon.

>>378098853
>Mensis is the usual place for PvP

Where

>>378073117
What are you talking about?

>>378099068
Just after the lantern after Micolash cage. Up the stairs there's 3 shadows, that's the place most PvP goes down. Go there, kill those 3, then ring your bell.

>>378073190
How do you one shot Maria?

>>378075873
One shot?

>>378099171
>>378099398
People say "one shot" when they mean "first time", for some stupid reason.

>>378098585
Not him but no, there are a few weapons I've never used

>>378098797
I didn't say your subjective feelings were wrong, I said that the word comfy has lost all unique meaning. Now it just means "I like it," which is just empty words.

>>378098839
>>378098853
One more thing
Best way to deal with heal spams?

>>378100221
I believe a well placed bullet will stagger someone attempting to heal
also hunter items

Which is harder Gael or Kosm.

>>378100221
Get good at parrying. Regular hunters pistol has the easiest timing, and requires no levels. Alternatively, use numbing mist which prevents it entirely.

>>378100306
Kosm

>>378080501
*Extremely loud wet dream noises*

>>378100306
Are you talking hypothetically? Because you don't fight Kosm, you fight the orphan

>>378099746
It means "I find this setting comforting and enjoy the ambience" like it always meant. I don't know why that word triggers some spergs these days.

How did byrgenwerth slayed Kos or Kosm.
It should be stronger than orphan, do they have any hunter capable of hunt it? Don't tell me it was Maria-chan.

>>378080281
Just to clarify, though I appreciate this anon spreading the word, I am the real owner of this trophy.

You can tell the difference because this anon discusses Dark souls 1, whereas I've only ever played Bloodborne and will not play any others based on how easy it was.

>>378086052
this is EXACTLY what that fight is like

>>378101469
They didn't she was dead or dieing when she washes up on the beach

>>378087202
sounds like you just fucking suck

>>378097103
>>378082456
>>378082161
>>378091898
>>378096964
>>378081246
>>378085951

See>>378101616

Yes I was banned, for the 3rd time in 3 months because apparently talking aboutBloodborne in Bloodborne threads isn't allowed. Now I am back.

>>378078447
>>378078560
Ringed City bosses were more difficult, but it was artificial difficulty at best with massive hitboxes, hyper aggression and speed.

Ringed City/AoA were also designed well above the accepted pvp meta. I went through it at 100 and it was a total slog, a chore, pain in the ass, but I've read about people lv 150+ crying about how they were underleveled.

The Old Hunters dlc is easily doable around the level you should be at around the end of the game, and while difficult, it never felt unfair.

>>378091014
because there's no such thing as "Git gud" in these games, it literally comes down to you not fucking up cause you thought it through, in short your failures are 100% your own and not the games'.

>>378101943
>talking about Bloodborne in Bloodborne threads
you mean derailing threads for the purpose of insulting what other people like, even if they like things for different reasons than you? Sure I guess

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>>378102009
Bullshit
Just today I was fighting the Old Demon King and got him down at the point where he does his huge AoE but I couldn't run away even though I knew it was coming because I was stuck inside his mace
Oh an the entirety of DaS2 bosses had fucked up hitboxes

>>378102403
unless the game was actually bugged out and your model was literally stuck in the mace, that's your mistake. The Demon King waits AGES before that attack goes off, and you should know better than to try to attack him before he does it

Hunter step is superior than rolling mechanic.

>>378102403
You do know that attack has a long build up right? Unless you were actually stuck and couldnt move at all, instead of just being snagged on something or rolling into a corner, then that death is your fault. Dying to Logarius taught me to stay the fuck away from him whenever he starts generating an aura

>>378102715
you mean easier

>>378088732
As someone who has played alot of it and joined fight clubs, it's because of easy dodging, low HP pools you can't get around and ranged parries that don't really have a downside.

Because of ranged parries and dodging and recovery times everyone is encouraged to use the fastest attacks possible. So duels are mostly dash attacks.

The reduced HP pools and people insisting on using high level gems means there's not as much 'learning' or adapting going on in fights because you take a few hits and you are essentially dead.

This is not even getting into extremely broken hitboxes on some weapons, gun builds combined with bone marrow ash and connection issues.

>>378102831
You kidding? You can just panic-spam rolls in DS3 and avoid massive flurries of enemy attacks without even knowing wtf is going on. If you panic dodge in BB, you will usually get smashed by counter damage, like this guy >>378087084

And rolls / dashes give the exact same amount of iframes in bloodborne. They are functionally identical in terms of evasion, they just look different

All I've done is a dexfag and a bloodtinge build in this game

What should I roll next?

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Orphan of Kosm > Gael > Friede > Artorias > Manus

>>378103512
str it up

I beat it in NG++
at level 180

>>378103372
Comparing Ds3 rolls to BB sidesteps is moronic, and the second half of your post explains why.
the fact that they have the same i-frames means they are exactly the same. I'm talking about the rolls of Ds1 and 2, where rolling is something you commit to and takes significant stamina. If you think panic rolling is viable in BB but not in Ds3, then you just think the enemy attack patterns are better designed in BB because as you said yourself, they have the same i-frames.

I'm going through the DLC, and I haven't even beaten the game yet. Am I doing it wrong?

>>378104518
not at all

as long as you aren't too underpowered

>>378071748
Ive solo'd all the chalices as an arcane build and played through the base game about 4 times, how difficult will i find the DLC in comparison?

>>378103512
> bloodtinge
Literally why

>>378105065
Simon's Bow Blade is best weapon you fool

also Bloodborne is just fun when you're a shootyguns

>>378105065
why not?

>>378105613
Its useless even the 3 shot meme cannon, bone ashed, will only take about a fifth of a boss' health.

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>>378105172
That's not the BESThunter Saif

>>378104505
>the enemy attack patterns are better designed in BB
Exactly. They are so much better designed, in fact, that BB is still considered to be at least as difficult as any of the Dark Souls games (if not more difficult) - even with rolls/dodges taking a much smaller amount of stamina. And the commitment you are making (in any of the games) is not so much about the stamina you use up, but the risk of you are taking of getting hit with heavy counter damage if you time it wrong.

DS3 has BB style attack patterns but tries to mix it with the slower DS style combat, and so they made rolling easier to compensate

>>378105778
you do know there are weapons that scale with bloodtinge, don't you?
You do know that most people don't only play the most efficient, damaging build they can google, don't you?

>>378071748
They expected you to do chalice dungeons

>>378105880
> meme riflespear exploit

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Mfw the hardest boss in the game is the guy before the screaming fire goat boss

No, you dumb fucking faggot. You are the autistic one, you are a slave to morality imposed on you by others, you are nothing but a slave.

A hunter must hunt, it doesn't matter if it is for food, land or fun. If I want an elephant tusk, I will hunt and kill, if I want a lions mane, I will hunt and kill, there is not morality, but the morality of nature, the morality of the hunter and the prey.

Humans who are weak shouldn't play as hunter, it only shows their weakness and wannabe nature, a hunter is born a hunter, you need to have the killer instinct.

The hunter, is closer to reality and his beastly nature than any so called intellectually ascended philosopher or learned one, consciousness is extremely overrated, the reptilian brain and the instinct are stronger, faster, superior, an ascended man is an barbarian man, a beast, the conscious intellect should be the slave of this mind, creating tools and weapons to empower, not to pacify. Death to your false idols, death to your weakness. Salutations be upon the hunters.

>>378100306
Defiled Amygdala is harder than both, as is shiteater Midir.

As for who's harder between Orphan of Kosm and Gael, I'd say Gael, due to him being a damage sponge with his never ending string of ridiculous looping attacks. OoK was the better fight though by far.

>>378106187
Defiled amygdala was one of the easiest chalice bosses, if you learn all his attacks he's probably the easiest boss to avoid any damage from. Lower loran darkbeast and pthumerian descendant both come to mind as harder.

>>378106535
If you learn all of any bosses attacks they're the easiest to avoid any damage from.

If you're not cheesing defiled Amygdala by whacking her tail/legs for 10 minutes, then it is the hardest boss in the game.

>>378071748
Let's be honest here
Ringed city was far harder than anything in the old hunters, and also had better boss fights
And I love bloodborne more

>>378106535
>descendant
>hard
Literally how
You can parry half of his attacks

>>378106831
No, plenty of bosses have more unpredictable movesets and flail around more. If you stay in front of his face and coax out his slams he is ridiculously easy.

>>378107263
He's down for about a picosecond when parried and follows it up with a slash so its barely useful. Alongside having such bizarre moves and signalling that parrying is hard. His clipping boomerang is also a nightmare. Think i beat him by spamming gloves.

>>378107561
>clipping boomerang
Just don't hide behind columns
It never helps in the borne anyway
>He's down for about a picosecond when parried
Worked for me fine

>>378105016
Not hard, the dungeons give you a pretty good idea of how hard DLC hits and if you're soloing them 4x over than you'll be fine.

>>378105016
Headless bloodletting beast hard

>>378080281
>mom i posted it again

>>378107456
it's not easy to dodge his stupid energy-ball palm-slam

people consider defiled Amy difficult because if you fuck up in the slightest bit, you die. That and because it has a massive health pool with a weak spot (it's head) that is 15 feet in the air

>>378109107
>a weak spot (it's head) that is 15 feet in the air
His hands are on the ground
Yes, his hands are his weak spot too:3

>>378109220
not weak, just normal
the head takes far more damage when you hit it than the arms do

>>378109107
You just have to stay far back from the black holes and dodge quickly in. Yes you'll get caught a few times but it's not that hard. His arm rip off range is literally the only real obstacle on defiled amygdala, but at that point just sit back and use arcane or a cannon on his head.

>>378108091
> call beyond
> use blue elixir
> move to opposite side of room
> call beyond

Do enemies hard lock on to you?

I didn't really like that in Dark Souls 2.

>>378109767
its stupid how much damage a call beyond does for you, I was using it on Eberitas and it was knocking off atleast 1000+ points of health.

>>378109826
No, but delayed swings with them turning 180 around are really annoying

>>378106831

Amy does give you time to whack the head and back off before the last attack. Getting creedy there will kill you, but the attacks are easier to memorize than most hard bosses have. Same goes for the hotdog.

I'm tempted to do a 3rd playthrough. Is there any reason to not use the knowledge items as soon as you get them? I just stacked them in my first 2 playthroughs.

>>378109826
>>378109997
what? They definitely do lock on to you, just like how you lock on to them. While you are doing a windup for a move against a locked-on target, you stand still. You don't turn to face them until you actually start swinging (and you turn very fast). It's the same deal with enemies

>>378109954
that's not that much damage. You can do like 1200 damage to her with two quick R1 swings using a tonitrus