Behold the endless abyss! Within lies the heart of all worlds:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=136zTP8UIJY

GET OUTTA MY WAY

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>>378044249
I gave up on the required grinding of the mobile game and went back to the optional grinding of KH1 to get Ultima. This is my life.

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>>378044249
Billy Zane was GOAT as Ansem!
SUBMIT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZGOlHmsfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHqh3QmUkvc

I don't like the mobile game. And it sucks that cause of that 80% of discussion on /vg/ is just
>rate my pull

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

>>378047734
It's either that or let the thread get taken over by those who just won't let the general die temporarily again.

>>378047734
Only way to keep the general alive while also talking about the games.

Rate the series like so:

Level Design: KH1>>DDD>KH2>>>>>>BBS
Combat: KH2>KH1>DDD>>>>>>BBS
Art Design: KH1>>>DDD>>BBS>KH2
Story:KH1>KH2>EXTREME POWER GAP>DDD>>BBS
Equipment and Abilities/Inventory:KH1,KH2,DDD>>>>>>BBS

KH1 Has is stronger than the rest of the series overall because after 1 the series overcomplicated almost everything. The combat in KH1, KH2, and DDD is good for different reasons so they tie. BBS is a terrible game.

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>>378049259
Good b8 m8, but here's better

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>>378044249
UTINI!

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>>378049627
>Go to Force Awakens World
>Daisy Ridley becomes the main character
>for the rest of the series
>your party members are also Daisy Ridley
>all the buttons do is make Sora say "You go, Daisy!"

>>378049259
Level design: KHIIFM > DDD > Re:coded > the rest
Combat: KHIIFM > Re:coded > DDD > [Re:]CoM > KHFM > BbS > χ >>>> Days
Art design: They're all kinda the same to be honest, with the exception of χ
Story: CoM > coded > χ > the rest >>>>>>> Days
Equipment: Re:coded > KHIIFM > CoM > the rest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Days

KH1's cramped levels and poor conveyance make its design more often burden than benefit.
It is without a doubt a rough game in all aspects, and as much as I love KH, it's hard to really enjoy KH1 as much as I used to.

IIFM is the objective best in the series as all elements of the game work together to create a tight, unified experience. Nothing is out of place and shortcomings in one area are often in service to the successes of another.

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Even Stevens world when?

>>378046021
how old are these screenshots?

These threads are on life support and that's putting it generously. If we don't get a trailer at E3 kiss the fandom goodbye

>>378050627
SORA GOT AN "F"

>>378050384
Why the hate for Days' story

>>378051705
It's a bad game

>>378051747
No shit, but I'm asking what puts its story below that of the other games.

>>378051705
>>378051747
>tfw you skip the last word of a post
It's a bad story too

>>378049259
>KH1 has the best level design
this shit better be bait

>>378050732
That one is from like a month or two ago.

Days is just Old Yeller with a less likable dog

I'll just ask this here then.
What is your favorite game of the franchise?
Which game has your favorite combat system?
Will we get KH3 next year?

>>378047471
Why have none of the bosses outside KH1 and 2 had such great personalities like this? I don't think I remember a single boss quote from BBS or DDD.

>>378052042
Something something Osaka

>>378047471
Agreed. Just fought him last night and I realized he's my favorite boss in the franchise. Due to his personality not so much the fight itself.

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>>378050384
>Level design: KHIIFM

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What's the best way to play 1 and 2 FM? I really want to replay them, but, it seems like no matter what I do it's going to be shit.

>All the HD ports have numerous bugs that hinder the gameplay and lessen the experience in some form that makes the games notably worse

>Emulating it would be okay for 2 FM, but, apparently 1 FM's translation is incomplete and buggy apparently

Is re:COM any good anyway? I liked the GBA version a lot but it seems like all slapping KH1's engine with a card game skin is making fire the best move in the game. Could really care less for BBS or any of the games after since they all look like hot garbage.

>>378052017
>What is your favorite game of the franchise?
BBS
>Which game has your favorite combat system?
KH II
>Will we get KH3 next year?
Probably

>>378044249

How did he fit underneath that?

>>378052220
>What's the best way to play 1 and 2 FM
PS3 versions if you are scared of the bugs.

>>378052262
Technically, it's empty. It's just his heart, soul, whatever.

>>378052220
You can always just play the vanilla version of 1. FM didn't actually add much, its most notable additions are rewards for beating the superbosses but the game is pretty much over by that point so you don't do much with them.

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>>378050384
>DDD and re:COM combat
>Above KHFM
Also, your intense hatred for Days seems suspicious.

Cory in the House world when

>>378052327
Don't the PS3 versions have a shitton of bugs too? Lack of audio sound bytes in battles, its own series of crashes, drives being fucked because they load too slow, etc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zC_HMTRWFU

This guys goes into good detail about it, but, he's not the only one. It's frustrating since it makes it difficult to want to play this.

>>378052578
I might have to do that, I just don't know what the big differences between the two are. I've only played 1&2 vanilla, but, I want to get the best experiences when I replay them. Just really frustrated since all I wanna is play them without having to resort to a garbage port.

>>378052652
I prefer a world based on Der Fuehrer's Face.

>>378052220
The PS3/PS4 version is the best way to play KH1. You get all the FM content, a couple new abilities on top of that, and the ability to skip cutscenes. Also better visuals and such.

For KH2, it's a bit trickier. The visuals and music are fantastic in the HD ports, probably the best HD remaster I've ever seen in that regard, but the gameplay is better on the original PS2 FM version. The PS3 version suffers from some insane loading times (that actually impact the gameplay mid-combat, if you try to use a Drive form), and the PS4 version has some weird physics issues because of the framerate and the save crashing bug. There was a patch to fix some of that but it's still present to an extant. Both versions also suffer from fucked up sound effects and Xemnas's RC not working right. If you're gonna do shit like the level 1 run, I recommend you do it on the PS2 version, for playing more casually, the HD ports are fine.

>>378051830
Abhorrent pacing. I mean the worst narrative pacing I've ever seen in my life.
The supporting cast may as well not exist for all they serve the story.
Characters are flat, creating a character-driven narrative where the characters are driven by the narrative. It's very messy. You can tell the preceding canon of KHII was fucking up the melodrama they wanted to tell.
Xion as a character is... bad. In a broad sense, she retreads the storyline of Riku-Replica from CoM, so she can't offer any thematic additions or explore any new ideas. She's a Frankenstein's monster of other characters' traits and concepts (Riku-Replica, Sora, Kairi, Roxas, Naminé), making her feel completely forced and unlike any other character in the franchise. Stamping onto that "the secret 14th member of Organization XIII" was just... why? Why do this?

The ending renders the entire narrative pointless, so for a game that marketed itself as answering all your burning questions and revealing the secrets of the Organization, it really fucked it up by focusing the entire narrative around a character who would disappear without a trace and, in effect, never have existed to begin with.

>>378052631
Combat is a lot more than how much fun you have smacking things with a metal pole.
KH1's combat design is, in a word, clumsy.

You have Sora, who himself handles clumsily (I have no problem with this per se) constantly put up against enemies in numbers Sora can't handle, with capabilities Sora can't reasonably counter.

A GREAT example of this is the Cave of Wonders fight. You have to climb on this dancing lion head (fucking annoying already), while it shoots homing lasers and summons Heartless.
The Bandits can and WILL fly into you from across the map, and you're just stuck up here smacking this eye without a way to properly defend yourself.

If you want to keep enjoying KH1, don't play it on LV1.

>>378049259
NIGGER WHAT? kh2 took everything kh 1 hand going for it and literally made things twice as good

>>378053316
>If you want to keep enjoying KH1, don't play it on LV1.
KH1 was never designed for Level 1. The guys doing the HD port just tacked it on because it had become a series staple, but it's obvious that the game wasn't built with it in mind. The game's meant to be played like a traditional RPG, where you level up to gain new abilities and have some room to soak up damage and cure through it. That's not a problem, exactly, though it does make it weaker as an action game compared to 2, but it really doesn't gel with the idea of a level 1 challenge. FFS, you don't even get Scan on a level 1 run in KH1.

And coincidentally, the Cave of Wonders fight is where I quit the level 1 run of that game. I've beaten all the Data Org fights plus Terra's LW on Level 1 Crit mode, but that fucking tiger head is impenetrable.

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>>378053316
>If you want to keep enjoying KH1, don't play it on LV1.
That's the thing, I already have, and despite how shit some of the fights were (air soldiers can go fuck themselves), it made me apreciate the basic gameplay a lot more, because of all the different tools and strategies you can use in fights.
I honestly think KHFM (outside of LV1) is way better than DDD and re:COM which are both unbalanced and overcentralized around specific tactics and have absolutely zero flow to their combat.

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I think this thread is worse than the vg one

Reminder: Yen Sid is gonna come out of retirement and go all Keyblade Yoda on everyone's asses

>>378054185
KH1 at least has depth to it. It rewards you for good timing and skillful execution, weapon clashing/parrying has a lot of applications, there's a wide range of useful abilities, enemy and boss designs are pretty well done (for the most part), etc. I'll take that over "mash square and then use an OP command" any day.

>>378053959
>KH1 was never designed for Level 1
Yes, naturally.
But playing it at LV1 reveals the amateurish concepts put into the combat by a team trying to do something they'd never done before.

I nearly quit at Cave of Wonders.
It only gets worse. I quit proper at Anti-Sora.

>>378054185
>it made me apreciate the basic gameplay a lot more
I can't imagine how. All I found was an oppressive "challenge" of enemy groups and bosses tailored to target Sora's shortcomings (mainly range and speed), rather than challenge the player's ability.

>>378054451
Exactly. The problem is that it is much harder to get into than the other games in the series, which is why most people don't bother with it.

>>378050257
>Star Wars makes it into Kingdom Hearts
>It's Force Awakens instead of the Original Trilogy

I just wanted to team up with Luke or go to the Death Star and fight Darth Vader. This is some monkey paw wish shit if this comes true.

>>378054610
>I can't imagine how.
By forcing me to make proper use of magic and summons, which are much more efficient than smacking stuff around (even outside of LV1). It also made me learn how to deal with enemies, and it turns out that, outside the early game, you actually have methods of dealing with them consistently.

>>378049548
I will literally fight anyone that doesn't agree that, after Aqua, Namine is the hottest KH girl. The way that white dress hugs her body, her long blonde hair...muh fucking dick

Just started playing as Sora in Final Mix. Goddamn, this game is fucking fun. Critical Mode is pretty neat.

>>378056374
>as sora
Which game?

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>>378054315
>get kissed by a girl
>after the kiss she playfully winks at you
>holy shit
>start contemplating a whole future with her
>soon find out she's fucking the guy who bullied you AND her
huh...

>>378044249
Hey! Where did you come from?

>>378056845
There is only one game where you don't start as Sora and has a Final Mix

>>378057031
This world is a tutorial... Soon to be hated by the player...

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>>378057083
My mistake, I'm pretty tired right now.

>>378056374
I recommend learning to use magic and summons. It will make your life much easier later on.

>>378047471
COME GUARDIAN

>>378052220
i platinumed kingdom hearts 2 on ps4. and i did everything you can do in kh1 with 3 trophies left.

none of them hindered my experience or made it worse in any way whatsoever, and you are fucking retarded for buying that. they were the best possible versions of the games i ever played solely because of the 60frames

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How the fuck do you get past the the huge possessed lion head in Agrabah? Playing for the first time on proud and this is the cheapest fight I have ever played

>>378059534
Hit the eyes.

>>378059582
the flying swords come out of nowhere and two shot you. I've been on this shit for weeks now

>>378059740
Block?

>>378059740
>>378059534
damn nigga you suck. literally just jump on him when he lowers and keep hitting the eyes. try to keep your balance on him, and jump whenever you think those bandits will fly towards you

>>378059740
Sounds like you need to grind. Or git gud.

xv-kun told me the whole series is shit and Nomura too

>>378062971
Don't summon him please

>>378051705
Because it serves no purpose from a narrative perspective. It introduces a new character and immediately removes her from existence at the end of the game.

>>378057793
This. You haven't seen destruction until you start using Reflect regularly. That spell is busted in the best way.

>>378052781
They also added Gummi Ship missions and new synthesis materials that make making Ultima weapon more difficult in the FM version of KH1

>>378062971
Don't do that shit here.
>>378063149
This.
>>378063191
What's more broken: Reflect in KH2 or Balloon in 3D?

>>378052220
re:CoM I'd say is about on par with the original. They added a few things that are kind of nice, and none of the other things they added are what I would consider really bad.

On the other hand, they retranslated the dialogue, and it is SO GODDAMN BAD compared to the original's.

>>378063320
Balloon, hands down. Reflect requires timing and is tied to your ground combo, so you can't just spam it. Balloon is just "Press X to Break the Game."

>tfw DDD pretty much spoiled the whole setup for KH3 and there will be no surprises when it comes out
DDD was a mistake

>>378060694
Literally 20 tries in a row kill me

>>378064321
Use Aero to up your defense. Don't get greedy attacking the eyes because you know that the Bandits are going to gank you; pace your attacks on the Cave of Wonders with defending yourself from the Heartless.

>>378046021
>that HP bar

why is it so tiny

>>378064662
I'm thinking it's one of two things: the HP is tiny purely for game testing purposes, and they were running some experiments when the screenshot was taken; or the giant Heartless has multiple spots you can attack, each with a small health bar.

>>378052237
Patrician taste, and an optimist to boot

>>378064934
Yeah, I figured it's like Guard Armor or in beta, but it was sort of jarring

>>378063320
>What's more broken: Reflect in KH2 or Balloon in 3D?
Reflect is high AoE damage, with a condition that puts you in danger if you screw it up and an MP cost to limit it. Balloon is just high AoE damage with a negligible cooldown.

I think it's obvious. The command deck was a mistake

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>>378063908
>he thinks he knows how KHIII is going down
Haha

>>378065631
Not really that unbelievable, considering we knew nothing of Ventus' past prior to him Xehanort's pupil

>>378065631
This. Don't try to get ahead of Nomura or think you know what his thoughts are.

>>378064524
Thanks. Aero seemed to do the trick

>>378066459
Aero is one of the most useful skills in the game. There's a lot in KH1 that can be tough to see coming, so Aero can give you a buffer so that you don't die. The upgraded versions can even outright block some attacks.

What's a good level to take on Phantom? He kicked my ass like crazy when I was a kid

>>378066964
40-45 should be more than enough, once you know you to fight it you should be able to basicly take no damage, it's more of a gimmick fight

>>378052042
Were there any bosses in BBS or DDD that talked? All I remember fighting were Unversed and Dream Eaters.

>>378067543
TIME STOP and some Ansen and Xehanort quotes
That's about it

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>>378067476
>>378067476
>currently at level 70

>>378067543
The Norts did. Actually I think Xemnas' quote about the Recusant's Sigil was pretty good, but that's more because of how he said it.

>>378066964
After Hollow Bastion should be fine. He's a pretty easy, monotonous boss, as long as you know how to fight him.

You need to have Peter and Goofy take off all of their abilities (except MP Gift), load them up with Ethers, and go at it. Just make sure to cast Stop on the clock tower regularly to prevent Doom from going through and have the basic three elemental spells in your shortcuts. You can also hide behind the tower to avoid the ball he'll shoot at you once you hit him three times.

>>378067717
That's not fair, Xemnas could read a phone book and it would sound like pure sex

>>378067671
Just try again, a lot of KH bosses become rather easy once you know how to fight them, try to look up a video. I could barely beat Sephiroth back in the day in vanilla KH2 because i just spammed shit, but once you take your time the super bosses can be pretty fun

I'm feeling for playing through Kingdom hearts 1 again, what questions in the awakening and which take the weapon leave the weapon combo makes the game the hardest in the beginning?

>>378067945
To be honest I haven't even attempted him in like ten years, because I remember him being insurmountable, hence the over preparation

>>378067976
Take the Sword and leave the Shield to make your defense a wet paper towel and answer the questions on the bottom to leave at Dusk (slow level curve in the beginning, fast at the end).

>>378068142
Same thing happened to me, i barely understood the whole clocktower mechanic back then

>>378044249
i like how they turned a loos plot end from kh1 intoi atime travel

So, if you kill a heartless and a nobody, the normal person reforms?

Does that mean, that essentially no one's died so far?

>>378068681
Yes, but becoming a Nobody/Heartless is different than true death in KH.

>>378068681
I think the Nobodies are technically their own characters?

So whilie Lea is alive and well, Axel is dead as a doornail

>>378068846
Only Roxas was really his own character since he didn't get Sora's memories. Most every other important Nobody got to keep their memories, so they're more or less the same person that they were when they were Somebodies. The only other notable exception is Xemnas, but he's a special case.

>>378068846
>I think the Nobodies are technically their own characters?
That's was really only the case with Roxas/Sora and that was for a specific reason.

>>378066964
>tfw as a kid I fought Ansem SoD at 90+ and still thought I was underlevelled

>>378069085
>>378069089
I stand corrected!

>>378068681
Master Eraqus is probably the only legit death. Of course that could change I guess. But so far he appears to be dead.

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>>378069501
>Eraqus
>Dead

This is my favorite KH meme.

>>378069649
Explain

>>378050257
haha
you forgot
>she defeats the main boss so bad that he closes the connection from TFA-world to the other worlds

>>378069719
>What is Blank Points?

>>378069803
Do you know how to explain anything without memes?

>>378069501
>>378068681
Reminder that Clayton got crushed by a giant lizard

>>378069884
Go watch the very first 2 minutes of Blank Points.

>>378069941
Lady Tremaine and the ugly stepsisters got blown up.

>>378070040
I know what you're talking about but that doesn't mean he is necessarily alive.

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>>378045039
GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK

>>378070381
>"Oh? So that's how it is, is it? Someone else has set foot in your heart. Eraqus, you sly fox..."
>— discovering Eraqus has been in Terra's heart.
Considering how it's a big thing of being able to hide a heart in another one in KH, more likely he's laying low for the time being.

It's not that hard to get anon.

>>378059740
Wow you're pretty bad. I got walled by Trickmaster and the fucked jumping/ledgegrab physics, but I breezed through the lion head

>>378070641
All the other examples of that left a body behind. If anything Eraqus is more like a force ghost than anything.

>>378070796
>If anything Eraqus is more like a force ghost than anything.
Let's not introduce concepts that have no basis into this series.

Hell, Roxas doesn't have his own actual body apart from Sora's and their setting up for him to come back.

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Slightly related video? Just released today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-19dTnb-os

Most popular is obviously Frozen but then it's followed by Tangled (which explains the reveal as 1st addition). Then Little Mermaid. They're Japan's top 3 Disney movies currently it seems.

Toy Story & Brave also got some interest.

>>378071103
Toy Story almost had summons in 2.

>>378071923
Toy story was almost a world in kh1

>>378069941
Not Clayton

>>378072201
True.

>>378063536
Balloon is not that OP, especially against Riku's final bosses. Try getting a spell off while YX is repeatedly warp striking you.

>>378063536
It's not broken, it's just strong. I only use one Balloon command for Sora, but none for Riku. The game is a lot more enjoyable that way when you have other better, cooler looking commands.

>>378074092
How do you solve the problem of abilities being tied to link points? Is there a method of obtaining them at a reasonable pace going through the story, but without playing the Spirit minigames or grinding off weak Dream Eaters? It's the sticking point for why I dislike DDD so much.

>>378074092
The only time I used the Balloon magics is fighting that cheating nigger Julias. I honestly am not good enough to be him the "fair" way

>>378074325
I don't remember grinding that much for them. I would just fight off every batch of Dream Eaters I come across and I'd have enough link points for the abilities I want, unless it cost an absurd amount of Link Points. You also don't have to play the mini games, you can just start the mini game and exit out. You'll get less points but it works.

>>378074612
I beat him the fair way with Riku. It was honestly fun. But with Sora it is much harder so I just used Balloon.

>>378047106
How many versions of Kairi are there?

And why do I remember them all more than actual Kairi?

>>378074948
3

>>378074716
How the hell did you beat him with Riku?

>>378074948
Kairi hasn't been relevant since KH1. It doesn't make sense for her to be "the most important thing" to Sora anymore, because he only seems to think about Riku.

>>378075234
By using Dark Roll, Sliding Crescent, Dark Barrier and Counter Aura with good timing. In between attacks when he was far away I'd cast Firaga, or Blizzaga. Meteor Crash for fun, and Shadow Breaker if I got ballsy.

>>378075607
I tried doing a similar strategy, but i'd still end up dying so I gave up and cheesed him

>>378075864
You just gotta be quick and know which attacks you can have to dodge and to block, because some are unblockable.