do you risk the 15% chance?

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well, /v/?

what do I get out of it

>>378043117
Nothing, but you are no longer an observer. The death from inaction will be on your hands. Make a choice

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>>378043117
try this one then faggot

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>>378043301

>>378043010
The probability of all five of them surviving is higher than 15% so I'd pick that.

>>378043010
go to random.org
generate a number between 1 and 100
repeat 4 times
every time the number is less than 15 a person dies

or

run it once
if it's over 15, the guy dies

do this like 100 times, post results and we'll know

>>378043010
>videogames

>>378044169
Yes, but only because I want the number to triple, if they were any sort of good folk they wouldn't be laying down tied on the trolley tracks, innit?

1% to insta kill a target

>>378044005
do you really think that just because video games aren't explicitly mentioned that this is not related to video games?

Do I want them to live or die?

>>378043696
You'll get 1.25 dead guys on averge with the 5 person track and .85 dead guys on average with the one guy track.

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Don't pull the lever. Keep my ass legal and let RNJesus sort them out.

>>378044778
I morally remove myself from the situation and stop giving a shit so I can just pick randomly.

Gonna judge me? You come throw the lever then, faggot. I don't give a fuck. It's not like I went tying people to fucking live trolley tracks.

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Hows this for you summerfags

>>378043010
So if i choose to risk the 5 75% guys and they all die.
Will /v/ tell me to git gud?

>>378045006
Thats XCOM baby!

>>378043010
I've played enough Fire Emblem to know that 15% is more reliable than 75%

>>378045001
10/10.

>>378045001
>don't pull lever
>save a gorilla and kill a shitty meme at the same time

>having to even THINK about it
>not having 10 LUCK making the choice meaningless

>>378045001
Harambe's value as a martyr is beyond his value as a sentient being

>>378044956
Edgy summerfags are already flooding in, cool

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>>378045440
1 of the 6 people have the Jinxed trait.

>>378045001
>save harambe
>nigger parents dont throw their kid into the gorilla pit
>throw him into the lion pit instead
ill save him

>>378043010
.75^4 > .15
>>378044778
Switch, you have 2/3 chance of hitting only one person.

>>378045775
Simba>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harambe
That's a fact

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>>378045473
>tfw they're erecting suicide barriers on the golden gate bridge and you feel bad because the aesthetic value of the suicides is greater than the value of the lives of the suicide victims
Why does nobody understand the beauty in this world?

>>378046140
>(((simba)))
nah

>>378045775
>tfw you will never be able to watch people get eaten by lions
fuck my life

>>378044778
ALWAYS

SWITCH

DOORS

>>378046147
Push the lever. Problem solved

>>378046150
They just don't want people killing themselves because people being alive gives more $$$$$ than dead

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>>378046223
Say that to my face motherfucker.

>>378043010
If the first person tied to the tracks negates all damage, does it cause the trolley to stop?

>>378046147
Pull the lever and kill that guy

>>378046407
The aesthetic value of wealth is very limited, desu.

>>378043234

I refuse to beleieve that guilt can come from inaction unless a prior agreement is made

>>378046583
now this is video games

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>>378046583
now we're talking

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Daily Reminder

>>378046827
>>378046710
>>378046583
Post more videogames please.

>>378045001
fuck off reddit

>>378043010
>1.25 deaths versus 0.85 deaths
I switch the tracks.

>>378043010
23% that everyone on bottom survives. better than the paltry 15, and keeps ypu from pulling the lever to be murderer

>>378046827
>>378046710
>>378046583
Can we get something that is not futa?
F/F would be nice for a change.
That or kemono

>>378046610
>I refuse to beleieve that guilt can come from inaction
You become aware that people are dumping poisonous chemicals into the lake. You can stop this by reporting it to the cops. You do nothing.

Thousands of children over the course of a decade are born with birth defects or even stillborn, and hundreds of families are shattered. Many more people will die early due to cancer. Still think you're not guilty?

>but this is unrealistic?
Is it?

Companies were aware that asbestos caused asbestosis for years, and they did nothing - allowing their workers to get sick and die in exchange for profits. Tobacco companies too. Many such cases.

inb4 "but a prior agreement existed!!!!"
Sure, I'll believe that when you dig up the case law or contract that proves it. "A prior agreement" is not a get out of jail free card for you to pull whenever your stated morals make you uncomfortable. If it's not in writing, and you can't show it, it doesn't exist at all.

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>>378046583
>that face
gross

>>378046761
If there's not track they're tied to then what's stopping them rolling out of the trolley's way?

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I am still mad

>>378044710
Yea but there's a 24% chance that everyone lives on bottom

>>378046583
now this is what i call a moral dilemna

>>378047050
They're surrounded by someone else's property and so can't move or they'd violate the NAP.

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>>378043010

>>378047001
>Still think you're not guilty?
I'm sure of it

>>378043234
But the ones on the bottom have a higher chance of survival anyway. It is by any metric the superior choice.

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>>378047285
Can't argue with that.

Daily reminder that your convictions won't save you from the rope.

>>378047152
Aku wasn't just a threat on earth, his dominion spreaded across the universe. Jack saved a reality from Aku

>>378047153
Right, but you're still risking the chance of killing more than one person on that track where the other track can only kill a maximum of one person.

>>378047380
Jack erased a reality. Heaven is canon in SJ, and everyone who got screwed up will live millions of years in peace there far from aku.

Now those people got thrown in non-existence limbo.

>>378047050
The NAP, obviously

>>378047180
having great knowledge of the NAP I realize the private property likely has mines

Good stuff futa anon, keep 'em coming

>>378047329
There is a 68% chance that 2 or more people die on the bottom track. For the top track there is a 0% chance of that happening.

>>378047379
>>>/pol/

>>378047001
>Still think you're not guilty?
That is correct. Was I unclear? I did not cause those deaths. I committed no wrongdoing. Yes, it would be charitable of me to stop it, but I am under no obligation to do so.

I take the same stance on Singer's pond problem.

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Now draw your last pathetic card so i can end this thread /v/

>>378044169
An interesting proposition.

If you're going to toggle it at all, you should toggle it quite a few times, hoping to hit an even number, since once you do, all toggling will be beneficial until you hit 1, where it will triple up to 4, then go back to 2, then 1, and oscillate. The number of toggles you need to hit an even number, for n=initial people on the track.
1- 1 (4)
2- 2 (22)
3- 1 (10)
4- 2 (40)
5- 1 (16)
6- 2 (58)
Etc.

So if you have an arbitrary number of toggles, you can kill an expected value of 2.333... people. If you expect to get less than t <10 toggles in, and n <50, you're probably better off not toggling at all.

>>378043010
you'd get at least one death either way

>>378043010
If you guys witnessed someone getting murdered, would you seriously not call the police because it makes you "no longer an observer?"
You realize how messed up this whole idea of never getting involved is, right? It's straight-up chinese logic.

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>>378047712
>but I am under no obligation to do so.
You think this because you are a retard who objects to the notion of duty based solely on the fact that if you accepted its self-evident existence you would have to face the fact that you are incapable of living up to its demands.

It's okay not to fulfil your duties anon. People do. It's hard to be good. But you have to try to count.

>>378047523
Sad indeed, but sacrifices had to be made. The universe may forget them, but Jack won't ever

what if i choose to derail the train?

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>i will pick the greater evil because it doesn't put me in the state of breaking the law (read: not obeying letters on a piece of paper) because i haven't developed a strong moral backbone
Why are americans so mentally cucked like this?

Trap furries are the best furries. Futa is second. Vanilla is boring.

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>>378047823
Who would write "yiff in hell" in a furry reality? Is that not like saying "sex in hell" there? Is there some kind of puritan Christian mom writing on bathroom stalls?

>>378048107
What about yuri?

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>>378047646
Nope.

There is a class of professional ingrates infesting our society, and we all agree these people think differently than us, don't understand the ties that bind us.

These are the ancaps and the lolbertarians - the neo-liberals in the halls of power destroying our communities in the pursuit of profits not because they are evil, but because they literally don't even realise what they're throwing away.

It's not evil to kill your enemies.

>>378047936
>implying western society is worth "duties"
It's collapsing anon

>>378047943
Wish I could draw porn as well as this guy.

Then you'd see some real perverted shit.

I'm talkin' shit that'd make gagged centaur dickgirls being hung upside down in fetish gear and tortured while a religious cult forces women to have sex with them look tame.

Upon reflection it really isn't worth the effort just for a tug though.

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>>378047747
Your Blue eyes Ultimate Dragon a shit.

>>378048185
Maybe it's the future where genetic modification has become a thing.

>>378047936

I object to the notion of duty based on the fact that I never agreed to it. Under what principle am I compelled to such follow such a thing? There are situations where it's implicit, but this is not one of them.

>>378048312
Then describe it with words. I can fill in the rest

>>378046150
what if I unironically agree

>>378048353
To be fair that bug is really big

>>378044169
Statistically unsound to pull the lever at all

>>378045001
multi-track drifting

>>378048238
more like this

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>>378048269
And I wonder who's responsible for that.

Surely not a class of professional parasites who only ever saw their community as a means to an end.

>>378048369
>I object to the notion of duty based on the fact that I never agreed to it.
That's not how duty works, faggot.

Like I said, you're retarded.

There are actual good objections to the notion of duty - not ones that I agree with, but compelling ones - but "I didn't agree to it" isn't one of them. Nobody who understands what duty is thinks that agreement is a part of duty.

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>>378047936
Now this is what I call a spook!

>>378047712
>too retarded to think of a good solution to these problems
>decides to instead simply deny reality
people should have to to take IQ tests to be allowed to vote

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>>378048512
So what do you suggest

>>378047001
>You become aware that people are dumping poisonous chemicals into the lake. You can stop this by reporting it to the cops. You do nothing.

>Thousands of children over the course of a decade are born with birth defects or even stillborn, and hundreds of families are shattered. Many more people will die early due to cancer. Still think you're not guilty?

You seem to be removing all responsibility on the people who are doing the action. I cannot be guilty of things that I didn't do.

>Companies were aware that asbestos caused asbestosis for years, and they did nothing - allowing their workers to get sick and die in exchange for profits. Tobacco companies too. Many such cases.

Now you are moving away from ethical dilemma into reality. When you take a job, you are responsible for the actions of the employee when you are giving them a task. If they make a employee do something illegal (that the employee may not no is), they get the shit for it. This isn't the same as me witnessing a crime and not calling the police for whatever reason.

>Sure, I'll believe that when you dig up the case law or contract that proves it. "A prior agreement" is not a get out of jail free card for you to pull whenever your stated morals make you uncomfortable. If it's not in writing, and you can't show it, it doesn't exist at all.

So tell me about how many people get arrested for them not reporting a robbery if they see it? Or someone getting stab?

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>>378048674
A short drop and a sudden stop.

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>>378048634

>>378048802
You first m80

>>378048250
As much as I like normal yuri, for some reason furries need to have a dick for me to enjoy most.

>>378048512

You can claim it exists but that's no proof of it.

I do, in fact, "fulfill my duties". But I do it as a charity. Inaction can never be immoral action unless action was promised ahead of time.

The idea that merely doing nothing is somehow an immoral action is absurd unless you intend to go full Singer and place the lives of every starving child in your hands.

So are we doing this dance again, steve?
Bored at work I take it?

>>378048802
>muh civic duty
Fuck off retard

>>378048639

Maybe debate me then. I asked a question. Care to reply to it?

>>378048840
Would a strap on suffice?

i miss being alive

>>378048774
>So tell me about how many people get arrested for them not reporting a robbery if they see it?
Section 316 of the NSW crimes act.
>If a person has committed a serious indictable offence and another person who knows or believes that the offence has been committed and that he or she has information which might be of material assistance in securing the apprehension of the offender or the prosecution or conviction of the offender for it fails without reasonable excuse to bring that information to the attention of a member of the Police Force or other appropriate authority, that other person is liable to imprisonment for 2 years.

But to answer the question directly, nobody does. Why? Because people do their fucking duty, unlike antisocial (in the most literal sense) parasites like yourself.

>You seem to be removing all responsibility on the people who are doing the action
Wrong. They also need to hang. Everyone involved, and everyone who knew and did nothing.

>Now you are moving away from ethical dilemma into reality.
It seems that way but I'm really pointing out that the whole reason we have those laws that you mention is entirely because there is societal consensus that knowing and doing nothing is not good enough.

>>378044778
This makes it even more obvious than the original problem

Switch. You have 5 and you know of then has one person. You switch and get 50/50 chances. Stay and it's 100 percent 5 people.

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>>378043010

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>>378043010

>>378048512
(((professional parasites)))

>>378048871
Don't do it anon, you might break his work ethic that we brain washed into him.

>>378049168
there are way too many yellow and blue portals, that shouldn't work, there can only be one of each color at any given time

>>378048871
>Inaction can never be immoral action unless action was promised ahead of time.
What do you think a duty is? It's a unilateral promise of action in applicable situations.

Use your fucking brain, m8.

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>>378048960
This one is too easy, my family means the world to me so there isn't any reason not to redirect it.

>>378048953
GAS GAS GAS

>>378049217
the best way would be to spam the thread with 500 sage posts, instantly making it 404 within minutes

>>378049217
What vpn isn't banned nowadays though?

>>378049383
You're repeating material from yesterday.

>>378048984
Better, but it's no dick.

>>378043010
Shouldn't the odds be the other way around? 75% chance vs 15%x5?

>>378049217
Why isn't he in the fucking e-celebs threads or twitter screencap reaction threads if he's so great? Fucking hypocrite.

>>378049301
"What destroys a man more quickly than to work, think and feel without inner necessity, without any deep personal desire, without pleasure - as a mere automaton of duty?"

What the fuck are you even in debt TO, dawg? Your parents maybe but it was their fault for not wearing a condom anyways. Nobody comes out the womb owing somebody something, get serious.

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>>378049217
>thread is off topic
>better spam it with off topic furry porn
Is it autism?

>>378047936
Why not just make every infantry into a sniper? Wouldn't they be less likely to die and take out more people?

>>378049301

How is it moral to expect this from someone who never agreed to it? No such obligation exists without agreement. If it does exist, why have you not given all your money to the Against Malaria foundation yet? The deaths of those children are on your hands just as much as the malaria.

I've given some, as a charity.

>>378048960
Jokes on you, I'm not liked by so many people

>>378049728
So it's not enough that they're an animal person, but they just HAVE to dye their hair too?

>>378049518
Read it again it's the chance to negate all damage. One side has a lower chance but only one roll, other side has a higher chance but multiple rolls. It's probably best to save those 6 changing tracks and praying to rnjesus.

>>378049465
K, what about this:
>double ended dildo, one of the two sides is inflatable and contain a capsule filled with a rapidly expanding foam, breaking the capsule causes the foam to expand and then stiffen thus "trapping" the dildo's side within the user's uterus and vaginal canal.
>the foam dissolves after 4 hours allowing for removal of the dildo

>>378049589
>What the fuck are you even in debt TO, dawg?
Community.

Moral life is impossible outside of a moral community, which means that it is a priori immoral not to strive to uphold moral community. This is not "social contract" theory so don't even try and bring that horse shit up. It's got nothing to do with debt.

It is communitarianism. Which is no relation to communism, so shut your face about that shit too.

>>378049715
>How is it moral to expect this from someone who never agreed to it?
How is it moral to expect people to act morally?

Seriously?

>No such obligation exists without agreement.
Wrong again. See above.

>If it does exist, why have you not given all your money to the Against Malaria foundation yet?
Because handouts for niggers has nothing to do with supporting my community, thus I have no duty to do so - unless I believe that I am part of a broader "human" community, which obviously I am not because no such moral community exists.

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I was going to make an Europa Universalis 4 version, but I got lazy. Here is one from Google.

>>378048960
Isn't this a variant on the prisoner's dilemma? It'll end up with both pulling the lever, and killing everyone involved in the problem.

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>>378050192
Thank you for this

>>378049907
Sounds hot but there has to be cum. Cum is important.

>>378048960
>Plot to the Dark Knight.jpg

>>378049934
I wasn't even going to mix the two up? Project harder brah.

Anyways, I didn't ask for a community. In many ways, the culture I've been brought into has stymied my efforts to do precisely nothing with my energy. Doing nothing with my energy is something that feels quite good. Do you dare deny me my pursuit of happiness? I do not receive government care. Roads are nice but I could do without. Internet surely isn't a utility, and I pay for it outright. I have been given precisely nil that I haven't paid for. Duty is a fucking meme, kid.

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>dehistoricized "ethics" without any context

Fucking useless, non-scientific, gives wrong conclusions

>>378043098
I'd hit B, every fucking time. No way in hell I'm missing that sick loop-da-loop.

>>378043301
I'd still pull the brake lever

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>>378049143

Pulling the switch and actively becoming involved with a death is worse than doing nothing and letting it occur

>>378044778
I understand how this makes sense mathematically, but I never got hot it made sense practically.
If you remove one door you're left with two and an equal chance to hit the single person on either from a practical sense, aren't you?

.75 * .75 * .75 * .75 * .75 = 0.2373046875 > .15

/thread

>>378050665
>Anyways, I didn't ask for a community
Irrelevant.

>Do you dare deny me my pursuit of happiness?
Yes. I'd deny you your fucking life too if I could.

Moral life requires moral community. Therefore nothing that supports moral community is immoral, and anything that works against supporting moral community is automatically immoral. That would include things like not reporting crimes, which is inaction as surely as not pulling the lever. And not only is this just my half-assed memery, this doctrine is - as you have seen - enshrined in part in law.

The atomized individual and the excesses of liberalism are solely responsible for the decaying west. Only duty and communitarian thought can save us now, but parasites like you must be the first to go - before even the niggers and the muslims. It is the enemy within, not the enemy without, that is the greatest threat.

And you of all people should be elating in this ideology. You say you want to be left alone to do nothing? How are you going to do that in a failed state? Do you think they enjoy the excessive atomized liberalism that you crave in Darfur? The prerequisite of your parasitic behaviour is a functioning moral community - you are just too retarded to see how supporting one keeps you safe. A smart person in your position would smile and nod and agree with everything I have said, and even encourage it to be forced on others, and then turn around and be a parasite in secret.

Like I said, you're not a philosopher - just an idiot.

>>378049168
The mass of Gabe would derail the trolley killing anyone in it

>>378051141
I'll fucking trap bears in the woods if I have to, as long as I don't have faggots like you telling me what to do because I happened to be the sperm that won. What the fuck is wrong with you? How can you argue so pedantically and miss the crux of the issue? All your morals are fucking relative nigger.

>>378051227
Nah, he works like a bumper in sonic, immediately reverses the trolley direction

>>378043010
I'd like to make a variant of this problem.

Let's say the percentages are the same, however, the 4 people on one side of the track are all siblings, meaning if even one of them dies, the remaining will surely be grief stricken. However, the one guy on the other side of the track has no siblings or close friends/family members, except his single mother that raised him.

Would this change your answer at all, even if statistically speaking picking the four people is the "safest" option?

>>378051334
>I'll fucking trap bears in the woods if I have to, as long as I don't have faggots like you telling me what to do
Sucks to be you, because my ideology is so successful there isn't a patch of wood on the planet it doesn't control.

Enjoy being on the losing side, faggot, and don't forget to report the next serious indictable offence you see or you'll be spending two years in the slammer.

>All your morals are fucking relative nigger.
It's amusing that you say this as if it means anything. If morals are relative how can it be morally wrong for me to force you to do shit?

>>378051070
If it were an isloated incident then yes, but as these variables aren't independent, so it goes into ayes theorem a bit:
I guess one way to think of it is if you roll a die, the chance that its a prime number is 50%, but if you roll it, and are told it landed on an odd number, the chance is 66%.

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>>378044778
So, let me get this straight:
>At first the chances of hitting the single person is 1/3
>When you get close enough, one of the 5 people -rooms is revealed, that you didn't choose, making your chances go higher to 1/2
So, you have 2 doors; other one contains 5 people and the other one the single person. That makes your chances 50/50, doesn't it? No matter what you do, your chances will remain at 50/50. People are saying, that you should switch the track, why is that?

>>378050392

Yes, that's the point, the nash equilibrium will tend toward this, leading to the result of the non- optimal but not completely worst result like it usually does, in this case one saved loved one per player.

>>378050635
Bad Dragon lube in the other side, ready to be squeezed

>>378051470
>implying the only child of a single mother, who surely poured her heart and soul into him, is worth less than one of a fourpack

>>378051503
A friend got a BD shaped like that penis, it honestly looks like it would hurt but I'm still intrigued

>>378051478
Exactly you stupid faggot. How does this win the argument for you? It doesn't. You can tell me what to do, and I can ignore you for being a stupid faggot.

CRAZY HOW THAT WORKS

>>378051509
This problem is called the monty hall paradox, because this problem was often posed on the show "lets make a deal".

You think it is 50/50, because you think opening the door removes it entirely from the equation. But it doesn't.
You must always switch for the best chance of success.

>>378051141
Haha wow you're really a special kind of faggot. Do me a favor and cram that self righteous spiel up your ass where no one else has to see it.

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>>378051509
it's actually 66/33 because the announcer telling you if a door has a goat and then switching from your first choice is mathematically identical to just getting two chances to pick

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>>378051070

there is no difference between a mathematical sense and a practical sense.

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>>378051637
>and I can ignore you
But you can't.

That's the beauty of it.

I can ignore you though.

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Here's a basic table that shows how you have a 66.6% chance of winning if you switch for the Monty Hall Problem.

>>378051832
But once you've removed one door from the set that you know is wrong it's just a choice between two doors. One that is wrong and one that is right, the removed door is essentially irrelevant.

0.75^5 is higher than 0.15, so I would go with the bottom track

>>378051903
always refreshing seeing lolbertarians ayn rand worshippers getting BTFO

>>378052094
yes, you have a choice between a door with 1/3rd chance of having the prize and a door with 2/3rds chance of having the prize. see>>378051996

>>378052094
Just because you have two options that doesn't mean the odds are 50/50

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>>378051674
>>378051751
But doesn't this equation require you to be able to take the "test" multiple times? If you get to do it only once, it doesn't matter which door you choose. Your chances of opening the right door will stay at 50/50. But that only works, if you get to do it ONLY ONCE.

Or is this some form of quantum mechanics, that may feeble mind can't comprehend? I feel so confused and stupid right now.

>>378049085
>But to answer the question directly, nobody does. Why? Because people do their fucking duty, unlike antisocial (in the most literal sense) parasites like yourself.

How do you know? Investigation isn't all just peoples witness testimonials as this has always seen as a unreliable way to "solve" a crime. The only way I can see this being applicable is if you are willing to assist on covering up a crime but that is an action in itself.

>Wrong. They also need to hang. Everyone involved, and everyone who knew and did nothing.

God, I can't imagine what sort of authoritarian hell hole you are dreaming up in your mind.

>It seems that way but I'm really pointing out that the whole reason we have those laws that you mention is entirely because there is societal consensus that knowing and doing nothing is not good enough.

You seems to think that making a practical choice is the same as ethical choice. Laws like these are just more convenient than without them but that also doesn't come at a cost. Just like the dilemma itself: you have to kill a person to save 5 others. You aren't coming away from with clean hands if you do pull the lever.

>>378052094
No it isn't. The removed door will always be wrong, the host will never remove the right door, that's why switching is basically opening 2 doors.

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>>378052264
After one of the "wrong" doors is opened, you are left with 2 choices: 1 & 2, and behind one of those lies the 5 person -room. Since you can only make this guess once, that leaves you in a 50/50-situation, right?

>>378052405
>>378052251

>>378049934

So you just cherrypick morality to fit your preconceived notions. I get it.

If you don't want to help, it's not your duty, it's a handout. If you want me to help, it's my duty.

Nice consistency.

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>>378049381
If the other person also redirects then they all die

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i will either win the lottery or i have a 50% chance of winning the lottery

>>378052264
Look at it like this. There's a 2/3 probability you have the WRONG door, right? Therefore since monty ALWAYS opens a door with a goat behind it, you have a 2/3 chance if you switch. The third door isn't removed, you just know the answer.

where is the trolley problem with what's his face and spooks

>>378052302
>How do you know?
Because prosecutions under section 316 of the NSW crimes act are public.

>The only way I can see this being applicable is if you are willing to assist on covering up a crime but that is an action in itself.
That would be a different offence.

The offence described in section 316 is specifically not covering something up but merely not telling the authorities when you know of a serious indictable offence. Which, actually, IS covering it up.

>God, I can't imagine what sort of authoritarian hell hole you are dreaming up in your mind.
The US has the death penalty too. Is it authoritarian? Crime begets punishment. It's not evil to kill your enemies.

>You seems to think that making a practical choice is the same as ethical choice
If practice doesn't merely equal applied ethics then you are the enemy.

>>378052535

C3, and this is way more fun than explaining the Monty Hall problem for the billionth time.

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>>378052216
But the third door shouldn't factor in anymore.

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>>378052637
Do you mean Stirner the Moral Burner?

>>378051070
I find that people typically "get it" better when you take the situation to an extreme.

Suppose there are one million doors, and behind one of them is the car, and 999,999 hide goats.

What are your odds of selecting the car?
1/1,000,000

And the odds of selecting the goat?
999,999/1,000,000

So let's say you pick a door; there is a one in a million chance that you picked the correct door. The game show host then opens up 999,998 doors, revealing goats behind them all -- leaving the door you chose, and one last door. Won't you switch?

The reason it works is because the game show host is not revealing doors at random; specifically, the game show host is only opening doors that he knows has goats behind them.

>>378052535
A1

>>378052490
>So you just cherrypick morality to fit your preconceived notions. I get it.
Use your brain dumbshit.

If the entire foundation of my concept of duty is the necessity of supporting a moral community then the only way that supporting niggers in Africa would be a duty would be if our moral community extended to Africa.

Obviously it doesn't, because in this community we have different morals to that community. Not only that, but even if we did share morals there is clearly not large consensus that we share community anyway. The community of Shrewsbury and the community of Devon-on-Wold might be two tiny rural English villages that are for all intents and purposes identical, but that doesn't make them the same community.

2/10 I replied.

>>378052783
It only matters what odds you started with, not what your current odds are

>>378052826
There's not even a pad there

>>378052264
The easiest way to understand Monty Hall is to imagine 100 doors
You pick a door and the host revelas 98 other doors with goats behind them
Which do you think is more likely to have thecar, the door you picked or the 100th one?

>>378052264
>But doesn't this equation require you to be able to take the "test" multiple times? If you get to do it only once, it doesn't matter which door you choose. Your chances of opening the right door will stay at 50/50
No, it stays at 33/66. choosing one door out of three, receiving information, and then doing nothing is mathematically identical to choosing one door out of three and not receiving information

>>378052783
Theres a fucking probability table, you dont need anything more than that to understand the problem.

>>378052783
http://www.stayorswitch.com/

>>378052783
In this scenario it would be 50/50. Because it's different.

>>378052785
yes, i forgot his name because i am a peasant

>>378043010

The chance of all five people on track 1 negating damage would be .75^5 or ~23%. I'll take that chance.

>>378052786
But in the end it's still a choice between two doors, one goat one not goat.
It's a choice independent from the original because the parameters have completely changed.

>>378052915
That's literally irrelevant. The question specifically asked that one door was removed.

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>Faggots still think the Monty Hall problem is 50/50

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Well, /v/? Do you?

What if i want the goat?

>>378053018
How is it different?
How is it different in the slightest?

>>378052783
The picture you posted isn't what the problem is. The problem happens when you pick a door first and then one of the other doors is opened. Also, how are you still not getting this after Anon posted >>378051996 and spelled out every possible outcome

>>378043010

I used to think pulling the lever was a good idea,

until someone told me if I pulled it I would be charged with murder. So I said fuck it and let god take care of this shit.

People STILL don't get Monty Hall problem. I was taught it in grade school.

>>378053121
i'd stand in front of the trolly

>>378053062
It's the choice between one door which is 33% likely to have the car, and one door which is 66% likely to have the car.

>>378053062
I can't tell if you're trolling, so I'll just assume you aren't.

If what you're saying is it's a choice between two doors -- one goat, one not goat-- then if you were to make the choice now, after 999,998 doors have been removed, your odds have improved, right?

I mean, 1/2 is a hell of a lot bigger than 1/1,000,000.

Surely you'd rather choose one door out of two, than choose one door out of one-million.

>>378053185
>I was taught it in grade school.
Are you a brit?

>>378053096
It still holds up though, you'd be an idiot to consider it to be a 50/50 tossup between the two doors that are left

>>378052867

Okay I won't even ask you what the distinction is there other than in your head

So why not give your money to save lives in your community, then? People die and you do nothing.

>>378049096
how is the one you chose 100% 5 people? what if you chose the one with 1?

>>378053141
You didn't pick one of the three doors. You chose between two doors. He opened one an THEN he told you to choose a door.

>>378053251
You won't make him understand it that way, bro. Retards like him pretty much regard the initial choice as irrelevant and go "hurr durr now there's two doors left" because they're somehow unable to realize that the door they pick influences which doors get opened by the host

>>378053185
as a diagnosed sociopath i don't really see the issue, isn't it better to just have that one person killed instead of 5 others?

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>>378052535
>Albert: "I don't know which is the correct pad, but I know that you don't know either."
>Bernard: "At first I didn't know which was the correct pad, but now I do."
>Albert: "Now I know which is the correct pad too."
who tf fucking communicates like that jesus christ

>>378048113
>casued

>>378053251
>Surely you'd rather choose one door out of two, than choose one door out of one-million.
Of course, I wasn't saying I wouldn't.
I know the odds have improved, I just am not really getting how it rises to 66% instead of to 50%.
I'm not saying you're wrong, i'm trying to understand how it works.

>>378053456
>the victims are bind

>>378053429

Are you retarded or did you reply to the wrong post?

>>378053446
At first I didn't, but now I do.

>>378052783

Think of 1,000,000 doors instead of 3.

You pick a door. You have a one in a million chance of picking the correct door.

I then open every door except door number 542,923. All the doors are open except that one suspicious door. The prize is either behind the one you picked or the one I left closed.

Are you going to stick with your door, which has a one in a million chance of being right, or are you going to switch the literally one door that you can open out of this pool of 999,999,999 other doors that you didn't pick?

This is the exact same problem as 3 doors. The difference is that with 3 doors, you have a 2/3rds chance of getting it right if you switch, and with a million doors you have a 999999/1000000 chance of getting it right if you switch. Meaning, you should always switch.

>>378053421
Or you coulda, y'know, explained it in those words.
Not trying to start shit i'm just trying to understand.

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>>378053016
FUCKIN' REKT IF YOU SWITCH YOU NEVER WIN

>>378053315
>Okay I won't even ask you what the distinction is there other than in your head
How can two communities be part of the same moral community if they have wildly different morals?

You want me to give money to niggers because it's my duty. Okay. I will. But first you have to show me they're part of my moral community. That means you need to show that niggers are a part of the same community that without which I would not be able to live morally - i.e. that the absence of niggers means that there would no longer be stable society that allows me to think about more than just survival.

Protip: you can't. And that's the point.

In fact the world would probably be better off without niggers, so technically speaking it's my duty to genocide them.

>So why not give your money to save lives in your community, then?
Because I am a bad person, and not a perfect embodiment of the values I profess to believe in.

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Dante Must Die mode.

>>378053612
But couldn't the second door just be something picked randomly? I'm sorta starting to get what you're saying, sorry if i'm being difficult.

>>378053636
Now do an infinite number of tests

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>>378053636
>installing flash

>>378052664
>Because prosecutions under section 316 of the NSW crimes act are public.

That isn't what I mean. How can the police prove me for a crime that they don't know. For all they know, I can have a really short term memory. Seems like you have to be very rare case to actually go through with.

>The US has the death penalty too. Is it authoritarian? Crime begets punishment.

I believe it only really applies to stuff like murder. Even then, they have cut back since being alive in prison is cheaper than getting the needle.

>It's not evil to kill your enemies.

Thats quite an absolutist position with very vague terms. You sound like you would be a big fan on another Reich happening.

>If practice doesn't merely equal applied ethics then you are the enemy.

You seem to be okay with doing terrible things as long as there is a net positive to it. War is a practical choice not an ethical one.

>>378052664
Are you saying that authority to create laws implies the one with the authority is making the ethical choice?
>If practice doesn't merely equal applied ethics then you are the enemy
Ethics don't equal practicality. In fact, they can clash in a lot of ways. To imply that ethical choices are derived from practicality is crazy because it ignores generalized morality.

>>378053515
I see.

The important fact is basically that you chose, at the beginning, a single door out of a million. Literally a one-in-a-million shot.

To recap:
Odds of you choosing the correct door:
1/1,000,000

Odds of the correct door being one of the other doors:
999,999/1,000,000


Then, the host reveals 999,998 doors that are guaranteed to have goats behind them, leaving your 1/1,000,000 door and one door out of the 999,999/1,000,000 pool.

If you don't switch, well, you have a 1/1,000,000 chance to have picked the correct door from the beginning.

If you do switch, then you gain odds of winning equal to all of the information gained (the 999,998 doors that were opened, along with the remaining closed door).

>>378053762
>But couldn't the second door just be something picked randomly?
What does that even mean? Sure there's still a chance that the door you intiially picked has the car, that's how probabilities work

>>378047180
His property is causing direct harm to another individual/individual's property. He has already broken the NAP by tying people up and not helping them himself. I am doing nothing wrong by saving them.

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>>378053104
It isn't 50/50, it's 100/100

>>378053861
Ohhhhhh! Okay, I get it now.
Thanks for being patient with me.

>>378053762
You know for a fact that one of these two doors has to have a prize behind it.

>>378053706

So you believe you are not only failing to provide a charitable action to your community, but are commiting the equivalent of murder in your community, as you are allowing preventable death to happen? If those deaths are on your hands, should you be tried as such, were the laws changed?

>>378053762
No, the door with prize can't be open. Anyway, don't think of the doors as physical object. The action of switching door just switches your chances of winning and losing. Your initial chance of picking right door was 1/3 or 1/1,000,000. After doors are opened, switching your choice makes it 1/3 or 1/1,000,000 chance of losing.

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while we're talking about these, the plane on the conveyor belt takes off.

>>378054042
No problem, anon. It's an unintuitive problem, so it can take time to absorb.

>>378044169
>starting number of people is between 0 and infinitely large number
Statistically, pulling the level is the only correct decision. If you pull it twice, you're guaranteed to be on an even number, at which point you can keep pulling the lever forever, because when you hit 1, you triple to 3, plus one additional person for 4, at which point you'll just go between 4-2-1-4-2-1 until you stop. Since the starting number can be anything, the chances of starting with 4 or below is stupidly small, so pulling the lever for a while is the only correct decision.

>>378051070
You have to factor into things that the fact that you're being shown the other door improves you odds. If you pick group of five #1, they show you group of 5 #2. If you pick group of five #2, they show you group of 5 #1.

It's easier to imagine if there were, say, 100 doors and upon picking one you were shown the contents of 98 being losers.

>>378053762
>But couldn't the second door just be something picked randomly?
It could, but then the prize would have to be behind your initial door. So the odds that it's just a random door are 1/1,000,000

>>378053831
>How can the police prove me for a crime that they don't know.
"Bob told me he saw strange men putting chemicals into the lake. I told him to report it to the cops but he said he didn't have to and couldn't be bothered anyway."

It's literally that easy. That, combined with some evidence that places you there in a position to witness it, and maybe some dumb admissions you made on your part before you spoke to your lawyer. The court isn't retarded.

>I believe it only really applies to stuff like murder
The only point is that the state having the right to kill doesn't automatically equate to totalitarianism.

>Thats quite an absolutist position with very vague terms.
If you kill your enemies, they win?

>You seem to be okay with doing terrible things as long as there is a net positive to it
You only think they're terrible because you don't understand ethics.

>War isn't ethical
Wrong. We are fighting """"""ethical"""""" wars right now - or at least that's how they're being sold, even if I don't think they are very ethical. We don't call them wars, but we sure as fuck drop bombs like they are.

>>378053856
>Are you saying that authority to create laws implies the one with the authority is making the ethical choice?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here, but if you're asking whether I think that ethics is determined merely by law then I disagree.

>To imply that ethical choices are derived from practicality
I don't. I'm saying that if you think that "these ethics aren't practical" is an excuse for not behaving ethically then you should go to the chambers.

Anyone have the comic of "now son, don't get yourself into a trolley scenario" and in the final panel that's what happened

>>378044778
Always switch doors

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>>378054398
Right here

>>378048264
>surveys
Utterly meaningless when they know they're being surveyed.

>>378044778
stay
it starts out as
33%=11%+11%+11%
so by switching you basically remove one which makes it 11%+11%=22%

>>378043010
I turn 360 degrees and walk away

>>378054224
The number could start at 98 for example and your first pull brings you to 49
You could only pull forever once you'd landed on a power of 2

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>>378054110
>So you believe you are not only failing to provide a charitable action to your community, but are commiting the equivalent of murder in your community, as you are allowing preventable death to happen?
Sure, in some ways.

But remember: the source of duty is the necessity of supporting the community. My minor acts of charity obviously aren't necessary, so are they really duty? I would say still yes, but on a different scale - because minor charity may not be necessary in physically supporting the community, but the pervasiveness of charitableness is necessary in supporting the righteousness of the moral community. You can draw a direct link from concealing knowledge about dumping poisonous chemicals - or not pulling the lever - to death and misery, so the punishment should be equally direct. You cannot draw such a link from my lack of charity, and in situations where you can (e.g. not feeding a literal starving man and leaving him to die) I'd equally agree with a direct punishment.

Lastly, our community has already determined a minimal standard of charitableness to which I adhere. That's what our transfer payment system is for, and why I pay my taxes. If I were tax evading then yes, I should and would be tried. Hell, if I were tax MINIMISING I should be tried. But so also should be the people who allowed for the minimising to be legal.

Threads like these make me look forward to the day a paperclip maximizer wipes us all out.

>>378052678
Then please explain anon

>>378053798
Kill nignogs first so the jews live their last moments in terror after seeing what will soon happen to them.

>>378043010
I don't think I'd pull the lever in most scenarios. I'm too indecisive for that.

>>378054872
explain the monty hall problem or explain why the answer is c3?

>>378054841

Okay, well maybe you are more consistant than your first appeared if you are willing to accept that you have blood on your hands. I strongly disagree though.

>>378045001
this is the hardest one

Does anyone have the 1+2+3+4+5+... one?

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>tfw stayfag
FUCKING END IT

>>378051141

You're right but the teenage edgelords in this thread won't understand until they're older

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>>378055405

>>378051070
It doesn't because math is flawed

There's 2 doors and 1 is the winner, end of story

train tracks dont just have random track switching levers it requires proper equipment and training to do a manual track switch, you need to go to morality level operator school

>>378055487
Assuming you aren't trolling, see
>>378052786
and
>>378053861

And if you happen to be trolling, here's your (you).

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>>378048960
This sounds like the Golden Balls problem. I fucking love psychological stuff like this:

http://www.radiolab.org/story/golden-rule/

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>>378048819
they made this smiley a butt

(1/4)^5 is way way way smaller than 15%...

>>378054841
generally I try to avoid what I believe is the moral equivilant of murder but hey each to their own

>2017
>People STILL don't get the monty hall problem
Fucking brainlets, when will they learn?

>>378053612
I'm not that anon, but with you example I finally understand it.
Thanks man

>>378051464
A pic of Lenin would be better

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>>378055787
National treasures

>>378055487
>math is flawed

The chance all 5 roll negation is 23.7%.
So I'll not get involved and let fate decide.

>>378055787
He's looking straight at the butt! What if he farted?

>>378055839
It's 3/4 though.

>>378054392
>I don't. I'm saying that if you think that "these ethics aren't practical" is an excuse for not behaving ethically then you should go to the chambers.
Well it sounded like you were saying that if ethics aren't practical they are irrelevant. Your stance devalues the word "bad". If being bad is something that is tolerated, then it has no point. Saying that a majority of people are bad makes the term worthless, and in order to retain the value of defining badness it is necessary to agree that if an action is considered bad, but is performed by everyone then it is no longer bad. I think I got sidetracked a little while typing this, though.

>>378054156
This is such a bullshit problem and this drawing is so fucking misleading.

>>378043518
lost

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>>378055172
>Okay, well maybe you are more consistant than your first appeared if you are willing to accept that you have blood on your hands.
People who cannot accept this are moral cowards. Everyone does the wrong thing eventually.

Anyway, if you want to know how such consistency is achieved, pic related is my own philosophy on epistemology.

>>378056068
Also at some point while typing I think I got morals and ethics mixed up. Ethics are concrete and cannot change. Morals are flexible and can change. I find ethics to be a poor way to define badness because they do not adapt to the morals of the society they are within.

>>378054156
Does it actually take off?

ay mang where the template I wanna make one where

IF YOU PULL THE LEVER YOU WILL GAIN 20% CHANCE TO CRIT IF YOU DONT PULL THE LEVER YOU WILL DEAL 10% MORE DAMAGE AND TAKE 20% MORE DAMAGE WITH 5% LIFESTEAL EVERY 5TH HIT

>>378056068
That's an argument that I definitely agree with linguistically speaking, yes.

Morally I think it's important to recognise that morals are something that we talk about, not something that we practice. To say that some morals are "more practical" than others is simply to admit that some morals are flexible enough to fit around the things that we already decided that we were going to do. My position on philosophy's usual place in the world is this:

>i want to do thing
>*invent philosophical basis that justifies thing i want to do*
>now i can do thing

Pragmatism is no defence of morals, because it is essentially the codification of the above bastardisation. I wrote a fanfiction about the Lion King that dealt with these topics but in brief basically morality's purpose is not to keep us alive - it's to keep us righteous for as long as we live. Death can indeed be a duty, and the most important part of a life worth living is a death worth dying for.

To shrink away from the right thing to do because it is not "pragmatic" (that is, because it does not have the best chance of keeping you alive and comfortable) is just cowardice, not clear-sightedness.

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>>378055986
bad things bro

>>378054156
>>378056452
Yes. The wheels move independent of the plane, the forward and upward momentum the plane gets is from the engines not the wheels, thus the plane would take off.

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>>378056704
>Pragmatism is no defence of morals, because it is essentially the codification of the above bastardisation. I wrote a fanfiction about the Lion King that dealt with these topics
wut

>>378052915

This problem has no bearing on said problem, for this problem deals with probability, while said problem deals with a certainty, thus, tell me what the solution to said problem is

>>378056452
the problem is worded in a weird way. originally it was, "if the converyor belt is moving at the same speed as the plane's wheels, does the plane take off"
which is nonsensical, because it's impossible for the converyor belt to do that. the wheels will always be spinning at the speed of the conveyor belt + the speed of the plane. the plane takes off, but then people get mad because the wheels are moving faster than the conveyor belt as soon as you turn on the engine.

>>378056706
anime obviously
hoping for komm süßer tod too

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>>378056550
just wipe the text its not hard
you should make it though, would go great here. add different colored sword effects too

>>378056706
SOME

>>378056704
That sounds fair
>Lion King fanfiction
Ok now I'm suspicious I'm falling for a ruse.

>>378056917
just found out my photoshop is kill but yeah I was gonna replace the bodies with swords

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>>378057226
do it in paint its not hard

>>378056931
>Ok now I'm suspicious I'm falling for a ruse.
Never underestimate the depths of autism, anon. Simba has defeated his evil uncle, but can he defeat the forces of revolutionary socialism?

It was a parody work, very dry and not my best which is why I never posted it online. Here's the first two paragraphs just to prove it exists.
>The Communists disdained to conceal their crime; a dead zebra, not yet fully grown and not near enough for all the dogs, lay steaming under the hot sun in a muddy puddle of its own blood. Every so often it would take a gurgling breath. It was seconds - a minute at the most - from expiring. Out of a queer respect the dogs had formed a circle to watch it die rather than begin devouring it alive. It was a habit of civilisation that the hard months of travel through Europe and North Africa hadn’t yet squeezed out of them. But they put the time to good use.
>“Comrade,” Zhukov was saying, “I understand your point - truly, I do - but it is a primitive logic that supports it. Yes, it appears sensible that the dogs who participated in the hunt ought to get the largest share of the hunt, but is such treatment truly equitable? It is not Dog’s fault that he is a dachshund, that his spine is bad, that he is blind in one eye and lame in one leg. Why ought he be punished for these shortcomings when they are no fault of his own? Why should he suffer once the abuse of the bourgeois master that crippled him and once again for the abuse thus inflicted, as if it was his own fault? And do you not remember his assistance during the crossing of the Bosphorus? If we are rewarded proportional to our service then where is his reward for that? Comrade, you must see that the only moral course of action is an equitable division of the meat.”

>>378053761

Right

>>378054392

>It's literally that easy. That, combined with some evidence that places you there in a position to witness it, and maybe some dumb admissions you made on your part before you spoke to your lawyer. The court isn't retarded.

You still haven't proved that it happens only that it is plausible.

http://www.notguilty.com.au/conceal-serious-indictable-offence-charges

>In a recent noteworthy case, the writer represented a client charged pursuant to s316 with having concealed a serious indictable offence. The indictable offence was a serious assault. It was clear from the police case, in which evidence of over twenty witnesses and CCTV footage was tendered that our client did not witness the attack and could not possibly have seen who committed the attack. In hindsight, the police determined through CCTV footage that our client had been seen associating with the persons who had committed the attack both before and some minutes after the attack and drew the inference that therefore he must have “believed” he knew who had committed the attack and knew that that information “might” assist police. The complexity of section 316 was considered at length in that case. We were successful in having him found not guilty on the basis that the Magistrate could never be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually knew or believed anything about the commission of that attack on the basis of the evidence.

Even in this they had footage of the witness, they still couldn't prove it.

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>>378053636
git gud fg

>>378054392

>The only point is that the state having the right to kill doesn't automatically equate to totalitarianism.

They don't. Its only in the act of self-defense. What made it a totalitarian position is that you think its okay to murder someone who hasn't even commit a crime or even than, a one that would be much more marginal.

>If you kill your enemies, they win?

You use these terms "evil" and "enemies" very loosely. Another nation that doesn't aid or hurt you can be seen as an "enemy" and "evil".

>Wrong. We are fighting """"""ethical"""""" wars right now - or at least that's how they're being sold, even if I don't think they are very ethical. We don't call them wars, but we sure as fuck drop bombs like they are.

I don't really see how that is a disagreement of what I said.

>>378057285
Joke's on you. My waifu is a robot and thus impervious to trolleys.

>>378057378
shit I aint tryna open MS paint with its shit shortcuts and even worse cropping and no layers

>>378056929
BODY
i genuinely like all star

>>378057285
>3d
>waifu

>>378043010
No, because I have a better chance of everyone on the second track surviving than I do if I just do the one guy.

>>378057285
My waifu could destroy those ropes in an instant and move out of the way. Easy answer.

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The trolley problem is a spook

>>378054156
Wrong, the plane won't be able to take of because there wouldn't be enough air flow.

>>378043518
In that case I'm definitely not pulling the lever
>>378047769
Then you should toggle it since the number of people could be literally any number. Probability dictates that n will likely be much greater than 50.

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>>378051464
>commies

>>378058065
stop.

>>378057285
Waifu, the millionaire would understand

>>378048369
I guarantee throughout life you have followed laws you never agreed to formally. Duties are just laws that aren't enforced.

>>378057930
Even as a libertarian the correct answer is to pull the lever.
Violating one person's property NAP is worth it to avoid the life NAPs of several people (even though you didn't create the situation, you have perfect information to stop if from occurring).

>>378057285
Money is niceu, but a waifu is for lifeu.

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>geggvvv

>>378053791
What? How do you do anything interesting on the internet without it?

>>378046150
Reminds me of this story, even if it has nothing to do with suicide. It kinda sucks because I had so many opportunities to go to the restaurant, but kept putting it off. Now I'll never get to see it rotate.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/year-old-boy-dies-after-being-caught-rotating-wall-sun-dial-restaurant/QxQgQr2VMoanNB88krDPVI/

>>378052907
you started with 50/50 because the announcer was just going to show you the wrong doors anyway. Because the final pick in this scenario was predetermined by the announcer there is no theoretical first pick between the 3 doors. The first time you pick your choices are correct door and not correct door, the third wrong door was going to be shown anyway which fucks up this example.

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>>378058507

>>378043010
.75 * .75 * .75 * .75 * .75 has a 23% chance of saving all 5 people, which is already higher than the 15% track

what kind of shitty ethics test is this?

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>>378057576
>You still haven't proved that it happens only that it is plausible.