Tyranny Flopped

>AND WE KILLED IT WITH OUR BAD GAMES
it hasn't been alive at any point during 201X

POE and Tyranny were SJW trash

Glad both of them flopped

>>377928692
except poe is getting its shitty sequel
i don't even know how could somebody want this

JUST

Their SJW pandering in POE killed any interest in it for me

keep making the thread op, I'm sure obsidian are close to shutting down because of you

>>377928913
>>377928692
elaborate on the SJW shit in it, I never noticed

though I only speedran once

Tyranny was fun, if incredibly short and cookie cutter with bad writing. Pillars had nothing redeemable. Seriously fuck obsidian

>>377929129
They took out some poem that got a tranny offended in PoE.

That is literally all he is talking about.

>>377929318
was it a good poem? I'm a writer myself

>>377929131
N-no you can't say that! They're a secret cow!

>>377928347
Do we really need this thread every hour of every day

>>377928347
Stick of Truth was the last notable Obsidian game and New Vegas was the last one I liked. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm just not buying anymore Obsidian games.

>>377931349
So why sage the thread you cuck?

>force Avellone outta the company
>games instantly turn shit

Obsidian games were never good in gameplay department but at least they had good writing and solid atmosphere. Now they lack even that.

Reminder to report spammed threads. 20 reports = autodeletion.

>>377928347
Those three day bans go over to fast.

>>377928347
That's what you get for going pc exclusive

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>Let's make a game
>Great idea, what kind should we make?
>How about a top down isometric RPG like the kind they had 20 years ago
>This can't fail in any way
Nostalgia is all well and good but you don't get kudos for being the vidya equivalent of a luddite. Or big sales figures for that matter.

>>377928347
Oh no, the shitfest in which you get a dose of "m-muh female empowerment and f-fuck all males, feminism society FTW" in the first 5 minutes of the game flopped? Oh how saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what will the world do noooooooooooooooooooooow?!

>>377932965
Numenera flopped because of Unity and because the story was ultimatively simply not engaging. Also the combat system took a new approach but it was simply boring.

>>377933291
>Numenera flopped because of Unity

But Pillars of Eternity and Wasteland 2 use Unity.

In fact, Obsidian talked about Unity saving their company because they can't use any of their old engines due to licensing of physics engines and other things.

>>377933510
Those people complaining in your picture are really just doing the exact same thing they hate that others do.

>>377933291
>Numenera flopped because of Unity

explain

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>>377928347
>>377932183
>>377932390
>>377933510
>one asshurt /pol/ autist posts these every single day

I tried Wasteland 2, Divinity Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity

I got bored with Pillars, I got bored with Divinity (but it was the best of the three) and Wasteland 2 caught me in a weird time and I pushed myself to finish it, even though it was the worst of the three

I haven't played any others, I just don't find the motivation

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>>377933769
WL2 is good for one playthrough

ONE

Really lacks character build variety.

>>377933754
>everyday new people see it and the message spreads further
how does it feel to be on the losing side of history?

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tl;dr: Because he sucks at getting women in real life, he wants his characters to be as big of losers as he is (if he isn't a fag like Tim Cain)

>>377933614
It may work for a game like PoE but in Numenera you have all sorts of exotic characters like guides having mechanical arms instead of feet, mutants barely resembling humans with several more ears/fingers/limbs and 10,000 other things until you fucking look at the character models which look fucking exactly the same.

KOTOR2 IS THE GREATEST GAME OBSIDIAN HAS EVER MADE

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>>377933947

>>377931794
>>377929043
these threads are a subtle cRPG general

>2017
>still caring about obsidian

Why bother? The good people left already.

>>377928347
Bullshit. Pillars did well because it was a decent game. Tyranny flopped because it was way too short and had a shitty ending.

PoE 2 will do well. If it gets good reviews it may equal PoE.

>>377934263
>PoE 2 will do well.

in b4 it does less than 900k and Obsidiots have to cop to the fact that their games are unappealing (but they won't admit it, even if POE2 sold only 100k copies)

>>377934056
>>377933736
>>377933614
Sorry guys I just realized I didn't mean it's Unity's fault but rather the lack of Infinity Engine and DnD rules.

>>377933947
>new people
>blatantly lying
You've been doing this single-handedly for over a year now.
What are you doing with your life?

>>377934478
I think this post is bait

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Obsidian is dead, InXile was never good and always a bunch of lying hacks.

The only RPG I'm interested in right now is Underrail expansion.

>>377928347
>THE MARKET BUBBLE ON CRPGS IS DEAD
I don't think there was a bubble in the first place

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>>377934689

>>377934263
The original release received a big meh and it was meh. It was not engaging. It was not well written. Take Divinity Original Sin for a comparable game done right. Story was meh too but the gameplay was good.

>>377934414
PoE2 already sold a shitton during it's 'funding' phase.

It got 4,4M out of its 1.1M goal. Obsidian probably already considers it a succes and we will get PoE3.

Unity doesn't apparently have the capacity to let the developers modify the player's paper doll very much. I mean, shit, you could probably swap Wasteland 2, POE and ShadowRun PCs around freely. The only thing they can change much is the head, that's why PoE had a fantasy race whose defining characteristic was having a stupid looking helmet baked onto their head (the rest of the body was as same as the rest)

>>377929129
No reason to trust sjw cultists who cry out about sjws in every thread.

>>377934589
Anything Infinitive Engine is way better than the snorefest that was PoE.

>>377934753
>PoE2 already sold a shitton during it's 'funding' phase.

Already bargaining if POE2 flops

That's not selling copies. PoE1 sold on Baldur's Gate nostalgia hype.

>>377934872
this one is bait too, don't reply

>>377934689
>wants to cash in on SJW
>they have such a thin skin they can't take even half a joke

>>377934963
>>377934589
>obsidiots in full damage control now

Which of these neo cRPG's was it that had some werewolf woman whose character description amounted to "She's a merciless killer who longs for the blood of her victims but she totally isn't evil".

I'm about 5 hours into PoE and I've realized that Real Time with Pause is just outdated at this point and has the worse of both real time and turn based. With turn based you set your orders, end turn, then begin a new turn but in RTWP you have to be constantly pausing which breaks the flow as all your members have different recovery items so you pause, issue orders to one or 2 guys, unpause for like 2 seconds, then pause again to issue orders to 2 more guys.

>>377935237
Tyranny

>>377935237
Tyranny.

The worst part is, the other companions are so bad she's actually tolerable compared to most of them.

>>377935229
>>377934872
>he expects an actual reply to a post with zero reasoning or content in it

>>377934571
>swinging at windmills because you're so insecure
i just read this thread for the first time. so swing and a miss! what am i doing? living on the winning side of history.

>>377935237
Tyranny and it was a meme on /v/ for a few weeks. I personally have never played it for long enough to encounter her, mainly because I found the concept of the game appealing but the execution lacking. So just like any other neo-Obsidian or inXile game.

>>377935393
Should I present my points then why PoE is boring, why Tyranny is boring, why Numenera is boring? We've all posted them before, there's simply nothing to tell anymore.

>>377935593
I remember the first time it was posted.

It's one of those nice times where all of /v/ come together in a shared feeling of confusion and disgust.

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>>377935237

>>377935737
Of course. Keep it in a text document if you can't be assed to not post anything worth reading.

>>377936171
so a feminist?

>>377936171

>quirky sense of humor

Every time

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>>377936171
jesus

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>>377936171
>Unapologetic killer but not evil.

>>377936171
>I don't really want to come off like an /r9k/ reject but this really sounds like it was written by a wo-
>Megan Starks

Oh for fucks sake.

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>>377936397
>>377935272
>>377934746
>>377934145
>>377933754
Keep posting these, they're glorious

>>377934043
Josh is 100% correct.

>>377934043
He's right though.

Obsidian went to shit that much is true, but it's certainly not because their games lack romance.

>>377937784
romance is no different from other relationships in games, like hate, friendship, rivalry, bromances etc.

thinking there's something special about romances is simply false. their writers weren't up to the task and he's throwing out excuses

>>377929318
but it somehow killed it for me.

>>377938130
>their writers weren't up to the task
No one is up to the task. There's not a single RPG in existance that did romances right.

>>377938658
k , explain how to make romances right in interactive novels for gaming stations.

>>377938980
You don't, it's that simple.

>>377938658
I bet most people have enjoyed romances in many videogames, am I wrong? Putting romance on a pedestal is stupid and naive.

>>377933754
>pancakes.exe
you faggots are fucking up this more just as much as some supposed /pol/lack that probably doesn't even exist you delusional fuck.

>>377938130
But it's kinda true. A proper romance would require some time to be spent between characters which and a bit more dialogue than that. It's not the writer's fault that he has to make a character fall for the player in about 10 party banters + like 4 plot related situations + let's say 8 quest choices giving affection points and some commentary, and most often without even the player having to take character X on a date, but rather dragging them together with the rest of the party.

A writer has a situation where character X meets the player and some 4 hours later of murder hoboing they are in love unless the game designer gives romance some special place in the game instead of treating it as any other party banter.

>>377939167
do you believe there are great romances written in books?? any period of time... ?

>>377938130
youre just shitting on a somewhat competent writer (for vidya standars at least) via a bunch of screencaps about how he is one of muh SJWees
kind of a retard thing to do t b h

crpgs arent dead. Just the faggot companies dont realize that crpgs fans tend to be more gamer than casual normies. And if you try to feed them obvious politics, they'll quickly catch it.

So a lesson to take from this, if youre going to go after a specific market, you cant approach it like youre approaching a casual marketspace. If you made Touhou games and suddenly added an ugly ass femnazi as characters, it wont sell. Know your audience.

>>377939664
more like crpg fans largely tend to be unbelievably fucking gay, if these threads are anything to go by. most of the objections are some retard saying x is the worst thing ever, even though it's fine and he has no good reasons behind his opinion

>>377939538
i didn't post the quote. just replied to second in chain.

he's saying they're above writing romances in their games which is no different than saying they're above writing bromances between the main character and a follower. Or a family relation between characters.

>>377939414
>do you believe there are great romances written in books?
Yes, I do. We are not discussing books however.

I don't think you understand just how much effort writing a proper romance takes, especially an interactive one. RPGs already struggle to have both good gameplay and good writing at the same time.

cRPGs romances are always going to end up as an artificial list of checkboxes. If you can't do it right, don't bother at all and spend the extra time/resources on more pressing matters such as gameplay, writing, worldbuilding, lore, etc.

>>377939868
crpg fans are likely not hanging out on /v/. Im barely a crpg fan myself and thats only because I didnt grow up on them. I know people who have and they're the most aware about shit like this. They shit on every crpg kickstarter to date because they can see the writing on the wall and tend to be the most hardcore of rpg players. They are usually the silent minority who dont speak up cause again they rather play their tabletops and wow while waiting on a good game to come through.

>>377939664
>crpgs arent dead
Nah, it's just that the only good cRPGs these days are made by small indie teams that genuinely care about making a nice old school cRPG, not just profit and sales.

Underrail and Age of Decadence are great.

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>promised late 90s style CRPGs
>get simplistic schlock with the aethestics of said CRPGs

Sad!

>>377928347
>want to play wasteland
>it makes you create an entire party instead of just yourself

what the fuck why do games do this. I'm glad divinity 2 fixed this and you recruit the others instead with some class changes on recruitment. I don't want to spend the first hour fine tuning a party before I even get to play the game reeee.

>>377940143
Contrary to belief, underrail and age are not good games. In addition, their artstyles and gameplay have been criticized. The problem here is that their settings and stories are so narrowed that anyone can choose to not like. without other crpgs in the market to give different experiences or settings, it just means the market is small and lacking, not thriving.

>>377940208
No indie or company right now has the passion to do a 90s style crpg. It takes a different culture and mindset, of various people coming together, to make something like that happen. And in 2017, that shit doesnt exist.

>>377932390
the problem i have with this isn't even the SJW trash

but if you're changing the breastplate because of muh realism, why are you still including people wearing breastplates when guns exist?

>>377940143
Age of Decadence is underwhelming and kinda frustrating with how much it relies on proper skill placement due to limited XP and plenty of steep skill checks on top to having to decide between combat and social. PoE is definitely a better game.

Underrail is great though.

>>377940628
>Age of Decadence is underwhelming and kinda frustrating with how much it relies on proper skill placement due to limited XP and plenty of steep skill checks on top to having to decide between combat and social

stop complaining about good things

why is this thread being made so much

>>377940386
>Contrary to belief, underrail and age are not good games.
>implying

> In addition, their artstyles and gameplay have been criticized.
I can understand criticizing the arstyle because that's subjective. AoD is ugly as a sin but the portraits look good. Underrail is hit and miss but some environments look nice.

But gameplay? Both AoD and Underrail have objectively better gameplay and combat than Fallout.

Don't kid yourself, Fallout combat was extremaly simplistic with tons of the shit not even working as intended. It was enjoyable nonetheless but it pales in comparsion to all the options both AoD and Underrail give you, especially the latter.

>The problem here is that their settings and stories are so narrowed that anyone can choose to not like. without other crpgs in the market to give different experiences or settings, it just means the market is small and lacking, not thriving.
I agree it's small and lacking. But it' not dead.

>>377941040
I'm not going to argue on gameplay because when you choose a niche category of games, anyone can make an argument about any gripe. One person may like it, but another will completely hate it. Just like if a crpg based its game off the DnD 3.5 instead of 2.0, you'll have a split of people hating on it for various reasons.

>>377940471
under rail was pretty good no?

>>377938658
The Witcher 1.

>>377928347
Its because CRPG's fucking suck to play, the genre hasn't evolved in 15 years.

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>>377941210
Yeah.

Expansion looks pretty promising as well.

>>377941307
crpgs evolved and made games like baldurs gate and diablo. It evolved, but for the worse

>>377941307
>he hasn't played divinity original sin

>>377940943
op is a /v/ regular who has been shitposting rpg threads for quite a while now. He posts the same thread for a while, and when he stops getting enough replies, he makes a new thread and the cycle continues

>>377940885
It's not a good thing when the game gives you around 10 civil skills and then you have to learn which ones are actually used plenty and for important stuff, or how many points you need to pass certain skill checks. AoD isn't any clever with their skill checks and when it comes to something that isn't actual combat it's just have stats to win.

Compare that to Underrail that had fun and working stealth, and more tactical combat with great perks that offered things like dodge X next melee attacks compared to AoD combat which was at times still too much of a dice roll when aiming for arms/legs due to how with successful first rolls you could pretty much disable the enemy from hitting you.

AoD feels barebones with features that are there to pretend the game is hardcore and is nowhere near the level of Underrail.

>>377941307
>implying things need to evolve to be good
Do you need your eggs to fucking evolve too?

>>377941472
>It's not a good thing when the game gives you around 10 civil skills and then you have to learn which ones are actually used plenty and for important stuff, or how many points you need to pass certain skill checks

why not?

>AoD feels barebones with features that are there to pretend the game is hardcore and is nowhere near the level of Underrail.

I've barely played either of them, but your complaints feel very retarded like everyone else in this thread

Name one modern 3D RPG that has the same amount of depth, freedom, and choice that an isometric CRPG has.

>>377941694
why do crpgs have to be isometric

>>377941694
I wanted to say Deus Ex, but

>modern
Beats me.

>>377941694
morrowind :)

>>377929617
Know how you can tell if someone's a writer?

>>377941772
They don't.

That's why he said isometric cRPG, rather than just cRPG.

>>377941694
name one post in this thread that isn't completely retarded

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Maybe they should make better games that focus on great storytelling and memorable choices, instead of milquetoast bargain-bin special snowflake settings with ZERO interesting history, lore, events or characters where everything is either a SJW soapbox or so derivative/rushed/tame it hurts.

And maybe not kickstart it and build it in a shitty baby's first game maker engine.

>>377941772
Because less money and time is put into graphics and voice acting

>>377940143
Age of Decadence was so meh I honestly thought that Tyranny was better than it. Combat encounters in that game are so one-sided against you it takes a fucking miracle for you to get out alive. The civil skills are so fucking overpowered in comparison to the combat skills.

>>377941634
>why not?
Because most of it is meta knowledge of keeping your points unspent, trying out some skill check, and then rolling back if there was nothing useful behind it. A lot of storylines are just solved by having high enough stat and picking the lines that use it.

>>377941937
AoD had a pretty shitty setting that kind of just shoved itself in your face.

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>>377942052
>Combat encounters in that game are so one-sided against you it takes a fucking miracle for you to get out alive.
Git gud my firend.

I don't like underrail mostly because of the setting and its characters. When it comes to crpgs, it's hard to get me to like them if they have a boring premise.

>>377941694
Way of The Samurai 4

>>377942251
You dickless ranged cheesing pussy.

>>377942326
this is a bad post. boring is your opinion. nobody likes things that they consider to be boring, retard

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>>377942326
>Underrail
>boring premise
Both the story and lore are fucking great.

It's just that the games doesn't punch you in the face with lore dumps and exposition at every step like PoE does. The lore is all around you, usually in little bits that you have to piece together yourself to get the whole picture and understand it.

>>377942465
You were saying?

>>377942559
stfu. welcome to video games where my opinion is the only thing that matters and I can hate a game for any reason. Thats the problem with kids these days, you guys think that saying a game is boring is a sin, when it use to be a consumer right. And it is still is if youre arent cucked to think you can call a game boring on one of its values. Barbies Dream Land could be the best rpg in the world, and I still can say I hate it.

>>377942326
>Underrail
>boring setting
Choose one.

I bet you think it's post-apocalyptic, too.

>>377942683
boring is not a characteristic of the game or the setting, it's your opinion of it. saying "it sucks because it's boring" just makes you sound incredibly retarded.

>>377942824
I dont like it. its boring

>>377940481
That's what sixteenth/seventeenth century warfare was like.

But the soldiers who wore breastplates definitely weren't women.

>>377934145
>World_of_Warcraft_warlock_spell_Ritual_of_Doom.jpg

>>377942851
It sucks and its boring. fuck off

>>377934898
>That's not selling copies
it is

>>377942656
Kiss my ass, axe man. Knife wielding assassin dodging master race.

>>377942326
I didn't like either at first. I mean, I didn't dislike it, but I didn't think it was particularly interesting at all. It was only until mid-late game where the game started to get interesting, mostly because of the unexpected twists

>>377942052
I tried to leave the temple to complete a few quests before finishing the game but the map doesn't work. halp pls

Funny thing is I went back to play BG2 recently and the combat was really 1000 times better than PoE let alone garbage like Tyranny, not to even mention the sheer amount of content and variety. Yes people can buy because of nostalgia but that's never gonna make a shit game good and these games flopped just because they aren't good.

>>377943047
>dodging
>not killing everything before it otuches you
You are like a little baby.

>>377943320
it's not, you're just delusional

The problem is that none of these games released recently came even close to being on part let alone surpass the gems of the genre, they didn't add anything, if they were released during the supposed peak of the genre they would've been ignored as below average clones.

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Age of Decadence was shit in the way you had to start by going online and finding out how to min/max your stats just to be able to survive. The guy who made it claimed you could play it like you want, but you have to make very specific builds that can barely deviate to be able to complete the game. Forget being warrior who can use diplomacy, your character is such a one-dimensional stereotype that branching out even a little means you'll never see the ending.

And you know, I'd have been okay with this dumb shit if only the game hadn't looked worse than Underrail and had a good soundtrack. As it stands, there was just absolutely no redeeming qualities to it.

It was one autistic man's pet project designed specifically how HE felt a good game should be without any thought whatsoever to the audience meant to buy it, and it shows in every single facet of the game, from visuals to gameplay.

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>>377943297
You poor bastard. This is hilarious because there's a lot of shit you can find out yet never tell anyone so this entire argument about narrative problems is bullshit.

>>377943549
The fact that BG doesn't have the retarded engagement system makes it 100 times better by default.

>>377943630
>Age of Decadence was shit in the way you had to start by going online and finding out how to min/max your stats just to be able to survive

this just makes you sound like a huge faggot bitch desu

>>377943630
Gameplay was passable but lore and story was just downright terrible.

>>377943725
having no engagement system is pretty terrible

>>377943630
>Forget being warrior who can use diplomacy
It's possible once you replay the game a few times.

Is the issue RPGs having bad writing or just writing in games being worse in general but it being more noticable in RPGs because they are so story driven?

>>377943912
The engagement system is terrible. At least the way it works in PoE. It just doesn't work in RtwP.

>>377943771
Hey faggot bitch.
Read this:
>>377943701

He designed the game specifically for you to do that in order to complete it.

Dumb mong faggot.

>>377928347
Basically makes a case for nostalgia goggles that nostalgia fags need to really pay attention to. Your old bullshit games from 20 years ago just arent that good or playable any more. Some cuck was talking about how Everquest would be the best mmo if it came out right now like it did in the 90's, i mean jesus christ the delusion.

>>377944103
so you died, and then had to go ask reddit to make your character for you, then you found this post and decided it's a bad game, and now you're here shitposting about it

>>377944137
But I played Planescape Torment for the first time this year and it was fine. Then I went onto Torment Tides of Numenera and it wasn't fine

>>377929318
Indeed, but they pandered to some mentally ill degenerate so its good enough reason to not buy it.

>>377944137
>crpgs were always bad!
>bg enhanced edition sold well and was liked by people who never had the original

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>>377936397
>>377935272
>>377934746
>>377934145
>>377933754
>implying we hate muslims
They have all the right ideas about jews, degenerates, and women.

>>377945161
Don't forget gays, queers and whatever other letters they tacked on to LGBTBBQLOLKEKIDKMYBFFJILL

>overload dialogue
>crappy half TB combat
>Shitty world
No wonder it flopped.

>>377944137
These games weren't even on the same level as the older ones, so it would be unfair to judge the genre based on them, also people expect remakes and spiritual sequels to be an improved version of the older games, building on their mechanics and polishing their flaws.

>>377940143
Can I fuck people in Underrail?

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Tyranny had the dullest, most uninspired world I have EVER experienced in a game.
And you know, it's easy to throw around words like "garbage", boring" etc. But it's true, sadly true. The world the game takes place in is so incredibly lame, there's no incentive to explore or get engaged in anything.

It's impossible to care about a world that obviously had so little thought put into it. It feels less coherent and built up than the world of Xena, Warrior Princess. It's so tame, nonthreatening and sterile. In fact, sterile might be the exact word that covers all these nu-CRPG's that have been shat out, from Tyranny or PoE, you get a bunch of people with no real interest in making a good game, they make the thinnest, most bare-bones generic fantasy world possible and then fill it with their revolting fanfic character abortions.

They genuinely thought hundreds of shitty 6th grade-tier stories from their backers about special snowflakes counted as content in PoE. They made up a huge part of the world just like awful wall plagues and gravestones that were always ready to ruin even the tiniest bit of immersions. And then you have those really shameful issues that you shouldn't have in RPG's. The stupid cringeworthy names that are hard to spell and pronounce only for the sake of being hard to spell and pronounce, like Gwflæannflygg and Ffwndldrjgr. Who the fuck is going to be interested in that? As a rule, if people can't remember the names of characters and places, they are not going to care. Randomly slapping your keyboard is NOT a good substitute for coming up with names for important lore aspects.

And the "lore" in these games, Jesus Christ on a bike it's absurdly bad. They all seem obsessed with trying to be as deep and philosophical as Planescape Torment was, while completely fucking missing the point. So everything has to be about souls, the afterlife, intangible things and terms that mean nothing. It's like a 1st-year philosophy student's first assignment,

>>377946365
No.

But you can mindfuck them and that's even better if you ask me.

>>377946365
Dunno, but you can fuck yourself by buying new Crpgs.

>>377946992
did you type this

>>377946992
Planescape didn't really try to be deep or philosophical. It just was which was fucking great.

>>377947305
Are you confused by seeing a post longer than your twitter updates?

>>377947562
I didn't know whether it was just a fun copy paste shitpost, so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt

>>377928347
>Playing PoE is realizing how amazing Baldur's Gate II and Planescape Torment really were
>Playing Tyranny is realizing PoE was if not great, at least a decent game

>>377947825
It is.

>>377946365
Yes, and you get an absolutely fantastic horror-esque quest afterwards

>>377948072
Check your PM so we can go deeper

>>377928347
Tyranny came out the day Donald Trump was elected and it flops.

P O T T E R Y

>>377948472
>>377948072
>>377947825
>>377947562
>>377947305
>and that, kids, is how i met your father

Tyranny felt like a bait and switch. You're supposed to be some sort of vaguely defined superhuman war veteran who delivers the will of an evil god, yet you still get treated like a bitch by everyone, just like all the other RPGs.

>>377928347
>game devs use kickstarter for a new game
>game flops and game devs get all the donation money from kickstarter
>kickstarter

GEE WOW WHO THE FUCK WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT I MEAN I WONDER WHY!?

>>377948273
I mean, you don't really get to fuck. You get teased at best.

>>377928347
>THE MARKET BUBBLE
?
crpg is still niche and has been for years. the only difference is that now kickstarter means they are economically viable. pillars of eternity and divinity os were successful and both sequels were also funded, pillars even matching what the first one made.

underrail is boring as fuck and i would much rather replay fallout 1 or 2. pillars had a great setting that i enjoyed way more than forgotten realms and pillars 2 looks like they are taking what they learned in white march and applying it to the design of the entire game. divinity original sin looks like the ultima game we have all been dreaming of and is brimming with creativity.

>>377949053
I may have misinterpreted the sequence of events a little then

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>hey you are the super special chosen one with a power nobody else in the entire boring, ill-conceived world has
>still you're totally a little bitch and nobody will ever respect you come at me if you think you're tough fag

Every modern CRPG ever made.

>>377948273
I think I just jizzed my pants.

>>377949125
Who made Underail anyway. I'm slogging through it but backtracking is getting kinda old.

>>377939414
books, yes
movies, no
video games, no

it can work in books because of how much literature inherently leaves up to the imagination of the reader.
it generally doesnt work in films or games.

>>377949125
>underrail is boring as fuck
That's factually wrong.

>i would much rather replay fallout 1 or 2
Well Fallout is pretty much nothing like Underrail except for the isometric view and combat being turn-based so it's a strange comparsion.

>>377949248
You've never played one in your life haven't you? Not all RPG's are written by Bethesda and Bioware.

>>377934746
>bowing to the Saudis

What a chump

Oddity Xp Or Classic Xp?

>>377949665
Oddity. Unqiue, encourages exploration, doesn't force you to be a murder hobo in order to level up, better balanced,

>>377949389
honestly though, i sort of got the feeling that the romance between TNO and deionarra in ps:t was sort of a great romance, although one-sided. then again, it's pretty much up to one's own imagination in that case as well

>>377949558
bioware has developed a few good games though

>>377928347
i don't get why people like CRPGs
the only ones i've actually enjoyed were fallout 1 and 2, and that was despite their awful gameplay systems
i think the thing people want are more choices (both for gameplay and story) in RPGs but i don't want those games to have terrible gameplay, and there has never been a CRPG with fun or interesting gameplay.
i wish we got more games like deus ex or fallout nv where you have both a lot of choices in how to play the game and actually decent gameplay to go along with it

>OP has 2 tyranny shitposting threads going at once

>>377950214
do you realise that making choices is part of the gameplay

>>377950153
Yeah, almost 2 decades ago.

No one gives a fuck about the company itself, it's about people who actually make those games. People who made those good Bioware games are long gone.

>>377950153
That Bioware hasn't existed since 2010

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/Tyranny/type/op/

I'M GOING TO POST THIS EVERY DAY UNTIL YOU LIKE IT

>>377949665
Oddity, unless you really love kill xp. Oddity gives you more freedom with your playstyle, since for example it doesn't punish you for stealthing an area. It also has a better progression curve, with classic you will hit the level cap long before end game. Although whether you consider that a bad thing is up to you.

>>377928347
This article is ridiculous.

Nevermind that Wasteland was BEFORE PoE, not after. The reason is, Tyranny and Torment didn't do as well as PoE is because they're objectively worse games. I know hating PoE is popular on /v/ for some reason, but even if you dislike PoE it's hard to deny that the other games mentioned are simply worse. Tyranny for example was a short low-budget game made by Obsidian's B-team to provide a source of revenue while they were getting still working on getting PoE2 ready for the kickstarter campaign. Of course it's never going to get as many sales as their flagship title.

Using it as an indication of a popped bubble just shows that the ignorant writer didn't do the research before writing his biased opinion piece.

>>377932183
>quoting leigh alexander

shes a fucking idiot

>>377950437
>>377950408
true, but there was an implication that bioware games are all shit when infact they aren't.

Anyone else feel like Tyranny was originally a mobile game before they decided to add isometric combat?

The artstyle reeks of it.

>>377950706
Some bioware games are shit. Also most of their stories revolves around the "chosen one".

>>377950535
Nigger, the one who mentioned Wasteland 2 was the CEO of Paradox who was interviewed, not the writer of the article. Sure, any journalist worth his salt would have added a comment in the article, but nevertheless that was Paradox speaking. And if Paradox says the game sold like shit, then it sold like shit.

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>>377950763
It actually makes sense.

>>377936798
>Nietzsche

>>377928692
this

I hope EA buys obsidian and then whores them out like they did with Star Wars

>>377950806
well yes that is true but then again a lot of games revolves around "the chosen one" in some form.
kind of have to have a way to explain why You in particular kill people easily left and right while others just crumble.
it's an easy and convenient way of making sense of the situation.

>>377951608
Nigga, stop making a case from a post that caused you butthurt. Original post is a bout how Bioware and Bethesda writes chosen one stories as staple.

>>377951608
Yep. The alternative would be something like Age of Decadence, where unless you do everything to be efficient in combat, you better keep your head low. But as AoD has shown, even if they complain about it, players do like to be the "chosen one".

>>377950354
having one interesting part of the gameplay doesn't make a game good
the combat in every crpg i've played is awful
the movement in crpgs (especially the older ones) feel awful
most of the special tasks you can complete in crpgs (lockpicking, hacking, etc) are just done by clicking a command and clicking the object you want to do it to, and then a dice roll
you can consider making choices gameplay but everything outside of that is shit except maybe dialog systems

these threads make me want to buy tyranny, even though I don't like it

>>377951959
perhaps you should have read my first post carefully. my point was that bioware has made good games and then i just followed the discussion. maybe take your head out of your ass there chief.

>>377952037
it sounds like you want to play a platforming game or fps rather than a game about allocating resources and making decisions

>>377952135
No one for asked that. You just gave an unrelated opinion. The statement is that Bioware and Bethesda are prominent makers chosen one stories.

No one asked for specifics you autist.

Age of Decadence combat raped your asshole. They were aiming for realism and sure enough the made a game where you MUST NOT pick a fight with everyone you meet lest you get knifed for being a li'l bitch and left to bleed to death in the gutter because even if you trained in weapons you're STILL a pitiful fucking fighter and there aren't any magical healing potions in post-cataclysm Rome.

This is what really makes me wonder why the HELL would they make a spinoff game that was entirely based around AoD's rape-your-ass combat system? Sadism?

>>377952014
yes, i would have to agree with that. i, too, generally want to be the "chosen one" although variety is also fun once in a while. ps:t is sort of different in that sense, your main goal in that game isn't really about saving the world, more like saving yourself. that might be the only game i can remember in that category that isn't about being "the chosen one".
arcanum could be considered like that as well, although there's that whole (was it panarii?) religion and that follower who thinks you're the chosen one

>>377952467
See >>377942251 and >>377942656

>>377952558
The thing is you are not actually the chosen one is Arcanum. It's all a bunch of fake bullshit.

>>377933754
you have to go back

>>377952558
You are the "chosen one" in Planescape Torment. Your goal is personal, but the premise, the story, everything you achieve in the game is only possible because you ARE a "chosen one". So much in fact that in a matter of hours you can get your attributes so high it shouldn't even be possible in DnD.

>>377952782
i agree, although i don't remember the game stating the religion being false so i'm assuming it could be true.
i might be wrong though

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>>377934746
>libtards and spics have to make up shit about Trump so they have at least something
kek

>>377945672
My point exactly. But they arent.

>>377953220
> i don't remember the game stating the religion being false
m8. The whole religion is just a lie Nasrudin came up with.

He basically faked his own death so people would fuck off and let him live alone on an island. You learn this during the main questline when you meet Nasrudin yourself.

>>377937060
>t. the wetbag

>>377929617
It was more like a limerick
It was just a funny'un. Guy sleeps with girl (male), finds out and kills self

>>377953202
i actually disagere with that, i feel like "the chosen one" theme essentially revolves around someone who saves the world or is somehow better like a demi-god. TNO is just a man, who was made pseudo-immortal by ravel but still a flawed man.
he doesn't really have any abilities or skills that makes him "the chosen one", unless you count the thing ravel gave him as one.

>>377945161
wtf i love muzzies now

>>377953542
ok, i'll just take your word for it, don't remember the talk with nasrudin at all, except him being some sort of hermit iirc

>>377944836
As opposed to pandering to the mentally ill degenerates who happen to have the exact same tastes as you?

>>377952782
Man, I love Arcanum. I honestly don't understand why people hate it.

What's so bad about Tyranny? The premise is appealing to me but I haven't read/watched much about.

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>>377954679
People hate Arcanum?

>>377954948
Writing is pretty bad. Characters are mostly mediocre with a couple of bad cringe cases. Setting is also mediocre.

You were supposed to work for an evil overlord but every choices end with you rebelling but under a different banner.

Combat is too easy and boring.

>>377955016
That Avellone faggot is pretty vocal about it, and I'm sure some of his gay colleagues (or ex-colleagues, I wouldn't know) said something to that effect too. One thing I regret is learning about the personalities behind the games I like.

Basically the criticism boils down to how it's unbalanced and how tech is useless. What I don't understand is what this has to do with whether a game is good or bad. Does every good game have to be balanced?

>>377954679
Because combat is quite literally broken.

It's in a dire need of a remake.

>>377955682
Was tech even useless in Arcanum? I remember just spamming harm being the best thing you can do and some powerful spells like timestop/revive/disintegrate, but technology also had their revive medicine and tons of grenades you could spam.

>>377954948
It seems extremely short. This is a huge negative. Also nothing can ever compare to BG1 and 2 because people aren´t looking for "a good rpg" they are looking for something lost in their childhood that they will never recover.

>>377955905
I don't think being short is quite as bad as both being short and ending in a cliffhanger sequel never.

>>377955880
Technology was just weaker, guns bring the weakest. But even guns were OP. The game was very easy.

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>>377954254
you mean genetically preordained and sexually evolved ?
yeah gee gosh, pepe goes into hole so kids can be made, GOSH DARN IT BIOLOGY IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT REEEEEEEE

In a magical steampunk setting Arcanum had making the tech suck is sort of a kick in the balls. I mean magicians could just spam Harm and win, meanwhile techies had to go through a lot of damn hassle crafting their own bullets and guns and shit just to have a mediocre, cutting edge piece of killan technology. And said technology can really fuck you in the butt thanks to that magi-tech meter's influence on your player.

Of course that was because Troika had to shove the game out the door without any time to do balancing sweeps.

T H I S FUCKING THREAD AGAIN

>push political agenda instead of making tight games
>entire genre goes under

FUCK

>>377934746

>receiving a sick ass medal

What award was this? Why would this be a bad thing?

>>377956287
Ah yes the good old IT'S THE PUBLISHER'S FAULT excuse.

>>377956493
Tyranny was barely political. It was just bad. You had like Red Choir being kind of communists and Disfavored kind of nazis