>Scorpio will only do 30 fps on Destiny 2 What is the point

console peasants will still buy it

Destiny was a snore fest, why is there a second one?

>>377868202
Reminder that if you buy a console in current year you are holding gaming back.

Support handhelds and PCs so that Sony/Microsoft will stop making bricks that stick out under your tv, and maybe will actually try to innovate and invent.

>>377868597
>support PC
>/v/ still uses shit tier hardware

>Xbox XDK

>>>/reddit/

>>377868715
lel my old ass Titan and i7 can outperform modern consoles with ease

>>377868715
> /v/ is one person

>>377868042
That's the dev's fault. There's games on PC with locked 30 fps.
Aren't, like, all Need for Speeds locked at 30 on PC?

>>377868042
>Analblasted sonylad posting disinfo to placate his buyer's remorse
ayy lmao

>>377868042
Microsoft is providing the power.

It's up to the devs if they want to utilize the most of the console's capabilities, or pander exclusively to the poorfags who refuse to upgrade.

>>377868042
Apparently Destiny is that powerful this gen, to do whatever they want. Not sure why.

>>377868042
> FPS: 60.0

woahh

>>377868042
they havent said a single word about scorpio performance yet, while disclosing that the ps4 pro is locked@30. this almost certainly means that the scorpio is hitting over 30, and they cant discuss it yet to not upset their sony overfunds.

checkmate, neogag

60fps is much less important than resolution.

>>377869205
Not in an arena competitive shooter. As long as its 1080 60fps, we're good. I'd rather have that than 4k 30fps
And any dev can do that first one on the gen 8.5 (hopefully)

>>377868901
>Aren't, like, all Need for Speeds locked at 30 on PC?
My friend, you are mistaken in your sentiment, so allow me to gently correct this kerfufle. Need For Speed Rivals was 30fps locked (when an ini tweak forces the engine to 60fps, the game speed essentially doubles and physics wank out.) As far as I can recall, every PC NFS before and after it was 60fps.

Why would you pay full price for a console this late in the generation?

I mean, if you're going with console you obviously don't care much about fidelity and framerate, and the alternatives play the same games for half the price.

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If the Pro is CPU limited the Scorpio will likely be CPU limited as well.
People don't understand how important the CPU is to increasing framerate, especially when you're literally doubling it.
For example, here's The Surge at 1800p and capped at 30 FPS.
CPU usage hovers around 25% on an i7 4790.
To give you an idea, an i7 4790 is anywhere from 3-4 times as strong as the CPU in the Pro.

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>>377869621
And here's The Surge at 1800p with the framerate uncapped.
The general idea is, increasing framerate beyond 30 FPS can have a pretty significant impact on CPU usage, and on a weaker CPU that can mean the difference between 80% usage and 100% usage, which introduces hitching and stuttering and generally lower performance.

You know what developers need? More fucking diverse hardware, more fucking sdks and and abstraction layers so at the deadlines they'd be like:
>lol we tried
It seems like product management/ownership doesn't even care. Seriously though, I think there should be the way to estimate performance for known algorithms and expected hardware specifications, it's just nobody caring as long as it works.

>>377869142
PS4 pro wasn't able to hit 60 consistently and had lots of frame drops. My bet would be that this isn't going to be an issue for the scorpio but nonetheless Sony is pegging Microsoft into getting 30fps on the game. I'd imagine that when pressed Bungie's going to have to answer truthfully and say that Sony is holding Scorpio back or being locked to 30 fps is their own incompetence.

>>377868042
s-shut up u-uncle phil said everything will be ok

>>377868597
And if you pirate video games at all, you are also holding gaming back. Yet PC fags seem to have no issues with this.

>pirate games
>devs all aim for consoles instead of PC
>PC fags get butthurt that devs always seem to choose consoles over pc

I wonder why?.....maybe because that is where the money is.

>>377868042
>Original Xbone looked like a VCR
>Xbone S looks like a convection heater
>This is just two slabs of differently colored plastic

What is Panos Panay doing?

>>377870106
My bet is that it will. It's the CPU holding it back. You can't well swap it out for something considerably better, as that'd screw the whole architecture (which has to be compatible with the xbone), and it's a massive bottleneck no matter how much GPU power they introduce.

>>377870382
That's why I said you gotta SUPPORT PC/handheld gaming to encourage devs.

>>377869458
My bad.
But yeah. That just shows how it can be the dev's fault for not reaching 60 fps.

>>377870382
Keep in mind that Witcher 3 sales figures disproved the whole bullshit "PC gamers are pirates" meme that the Ubisoft CEO spawned years ago.

>>377868042
How about you turbo autists start up a social media crusade against these shit practices.

>>377870382
>.....maybe because that is where the money is.
Actually, the real money is in mobile phones, and once phones get to the level of the XB1 in terms of raw power, you'll be seeing less and less console/PC devs.

>>377872258
>Console gamers
>Xbone gamers
>Ever stirring up shit about anti-consumer practices
Kek
That's like asking the average American to boycott Transformers.

Not really that. It's a multilayer game so you can't have Scorpio hit 60 and standard Xbones hitting only 30, that's a big advantage.

>>377870618
Scorpio runs the same architecture but has a custom CPU that was designed around games software to workaround the bottleneck issues and considering Destiny 2 is for the most part almost the same game at it's core from Destiny 1 The issue shouldn't be as drastic with the scorpio.

This is a Bungie problem considering there's plenty of devs who do 60 FPS on PS4/Xbone

But they're opting for the 4K meme instead

>>377868715
Shows you don't need expensive PCs to enjoy good games on it

>>377868042
>most powerful console ever made
that's not setting the bar very high

>>377872258
>implying this shitty practice isn't just the tip of the iceberg with the literal Satan that is Microsoft

>>377875828
>but has a custom CPU
It's still a shitty Jaguar CPU.
>that was designed around games software
PR bullshit used to fool retards.

>>377877185
and let's say hypothetically you're wrong here. That the only reason a game like Destiny 2 being 30fps on the scorpio is because of Bungie deliberately holding it back because they want to appease Sony. what then? Let's say the scorpio does exactly what they said it'd do.

>>377868597
>Holding gaming back.
>Support handhelds.

LMFAO

>>377869429

destiny isn't a competitive arena shooter tho

>>377870106

wow does your dad work for nintendo?

>>377869205
That's not at all true. Id rather play in 720p 60fps than 1080 30. Luckily I have a computer so I get to play at 1080 144

>>377868042
It's 30 FPS on the PS4 Pro but we have no word on the Scorpio yet.

>>377874089
We stopped watching it after the second one, it's Chinese peasants that keep it afloat.

>>377877387
Then that's pretty shitty of Bungie/Sony, but it's expected, Sony has always been scummy as fuck, just like MS.

>Destiny 2
>Buying anything from Neo-Bungie after the fraudulent advertising that was Destiny.

Bungie used to have a 4chan personality, now they are reddit as fuck, just watch the gameplay premiere.

xbone and scorpio are going to be shared community, that's why. xbox will be holding itself back.

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>>377869621
You tried.
Unless Xbone has some latency bottleneck, a top end i7 is only 5-10% faster at most, per core.

Main bottleneck is dev tools and lax standards.

>>377878631
That's been debunked recently. One of the heads at Xbox says developers can do whatever they want as long as the game still works on both machines.

>>377868715
lol this is actually correct but people wanna shitpost anyway

PC isnt setting any new bars, even most people I know are still rocking AMD dual cores and other useless shit

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>>377868883
>Scorpio have 6 TFLOPS
>your poor titan have 4,5 TFLOPS
Yah, not gon outperform

>>377878352
>play at 1080 144
You are big guy

>>377878840
>a top end i7 is only 5-10% faster at most, per core.
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Is this bait?

>>377878840
Anon, the Jaguar CPU in the Scorpio gets outperformed by a low-end i5.

>>377879079
>even most people I know are still rocking AMD dual cores and other useless shit
m8, even based on Steam's hardware stats, over 5% of people are rocking a GTX 1060 alone.
To put that into perspective, that's over 6 million people with Scorpio-tier GPU power (possibly higher considering the capabilities of the 1060).

>>377868042
>most powerful console ever made
What a strange statement. Isn't every console Excluding Nintendo the most powerful console ever made when it comes out?

>>377880169
Exactly. But it's a good marketing strategy to shit that out everytime

>>377880169
The 'bone is just less powerful than the PS4 and it came out a week later.

>>377880321

Is it less powerful? It seems to perform exactly the same as the ps4 on multiplat games.

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>>377880169
The Super A'Can is roughly Turbografx-tier in specs but came out in 1995.

>>377880404
Nah, most games are 900p on XB1 vs. 1080p on PS4.

>>377880505

[citation needed]

>>377868042
Who is actually gonna buy that crapbox? Xbox owners are the biggest cucks in the entire world.
The real way to play games now is pc for every multiplat, ps4 exclusives and nintendo 2ds for handheld

>>377880602
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates
the list is below the video
even ign states it

>>377880678

Well, goddamn. Hat's off to you, my man. You were right.

>>377877387
Higher frame rates cause stock users to have a disadvantage.

>>377880841
im not the anon you first replied to either
the weirdest one is fucking watchdogs

trust me the resolution issue is a very real thing and a strange one at that. im not sure where the issue lies but ive barely looked into the xbone sdk (since its not relevant to me really) for an answer. im sure an answer for it is present, but as for the specifics...

>>377880169
Microsoft is still mad that Sony got lucky and put out a more powerful console for a lower RRP at around the same time.

>>377880169
MS like this line in their marketing. Last year, they declared it the 'greatest lineup of games ever' because they had Halo, Forza, Gears of War and a timed exclusive of Tomb Raider going for them. And apparently MS has never ever put up a more compelling library.

>>377881030
Xbox has a lot of useless apps running in the background running a special version of windows , meanwhile the PS4 runs a heavily modified version of FreeBSD.
Both consoles record gameplay at all times and the PS4 uses GDDR5 RAM.
To tell you the truth it depends on the devs

>>377868042

There's no question it's going to be the most powerful home console ever created, you stupid faggot.

>>377879583
The titan is almost 5 years old it literally took console five years to surpass just that card.

>>377882485
*shits in your mouth*
Get used to it because Microsoft is gonna do the same to you soon enough.

>>377882341
Devs have access to only to 5 gigs of memory on the Xbox due to the OS and it's DVR feature for TV.
PS4 allows 7 gigs.

Does the 30 fps reeally matter when playing from a couch?

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I don't understand this clearly. Didn't they say they wanted parity between the PS4 and PS4 Pro's framerates, meaning that the normal PS4 couldn't hit 60, but the PS4 Pro can? There's literally no reason this game shouldn't run at 60 FPS besides a shitty engine, there are multiple better looking games that run faster on the PS4, let alone the PS4 Pro.

>>377882485
>till the PS5 and Xbox Two comes out

>>377870626

Support the pirate cucks? No thanks, bucko. But I'm already supporting the handheld market, got my Switch right here.

>>377882595
Competitive advantage. You can't have players in PVP rekt players who are running on stock hardware.

>>377868883
>lel

Back to r eddit, boy. Better yet, kill yourself.

>>377878840
Scorpio is using low as shit AMD cores.

>>377882764
I know that, my misunderstanding is why people are blaming the hardware of the PRO, when it was mainly the original that is to blame.

>>377882876
Oh my mistake

>>377868042
Blame Bungie, they're the dumbass retards that want a parity instead of using the Scorpios power. Destiny 2 will be pure shit.

>>377878840
>Unless Xbone has some latency bottleneck, a top end i7 is only 5-10% faster at most, per core.
The Scorpio doesn't have a Zen CPU m8.

>>377882552

Jokes on you, cunt. I'm not buying into that crap.

>>377869621
people seem to forget that if a game is properly optimized it will run better than similar hardware simply because it's not bottlenecked by the OS with a bunch of software running in the background.

I fully expect Destiny 2 to be 60fps locked on PC lmao

>>377883415
Its already been announced that there is no fps cap on PC. Nice try though.

Oh, wait you're talking about your shit PC?

>>377883362
Destiny 2 isn't 60 FPS on Pro because the CPU is too weak.

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>>377868042
Uh. Lol. Ok so, the new engine for D2 was made for 30 FPS. They aren't going to build it from the ground up and recreate the engine for the Scorpio. This would also give PvP players a distinct advantage over others, so they would have to separate XB1 and Scorpio players. It's not worth it, and it isn't as simple as sliding a frame-rate cap setting.

Who cares?
Let the fuck go of your goddamn FPS anxiety, regardless of platform.

>>377878992

well then its safe to assume that bungie are going to lock scorpio then. why would they give scorpio players and advantage over xbone players?

>>377882574
Yes.

>>377883787
Its not a new engine.

>>377880874
I used to play Dota at 30fps with dips to 20 because I had a shitty laptop and not once I thought I was at a disadvantage against those with 144. Granted it depends on the game, but it's no reason to lock down fps

>>377883787
>They aren't going to build it from the ground up and recreate the engine for the Scorpio
First of all, that's not how engines work, secondly the game has an uncapped framerate on PC, and lastly it's not even a new engine.

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>>377883945
Inform me.

>>377869621
1800p?? what is this like 3k? sounds retarded as fuck

Why would you play Destiny on a fucking Halo box?

You want performance? Play on PC.
You want extra content? Play on PS4.

Xbox is a dead console.

>>377884053
1800p is to 4k what 900p is to 1080p.

Does anyone else never really care about frame rate? Ive always been fine with 30 with next to no drops

>>377884173
Higher framerates look nice, but I usually don't have a problem with 30 unless I can see a comparison between 30 and 60.

why the fuck did they even make this generation of consoles

>>377884173
Among other things, one of the main reasons why I put thousands of hours into the game was because it was a solid 30 fps. If that shit dropped, I would have abandoned the game.

>>377884121
Uh uh uh. Well xbox has a nice lfg feature. Heh.

>>377884253
Thats how it is with me. I mean, I dont want to ever return to the N64 days where everything is like 15fps. But last gen on the 360? 30fps was never a problem for me. And I dont know if its beccause of new hires being less talented, but I feel that the sharpest looking games of last gen will hold up a lot longer than this gen. Nothing this gen has really visually wowed me like when I saw halo 3 for the first time, or the frostbite engine with battlefield bad company and its destruction/audio. You know what i mean?

>>377884121
>Destiny 2 is a argument
thi is a new low for /v/

>>377883209
only sucking microsoft cock for no reason then? faggot

>>377882485
What's the point of it, though? It doesn't have any games and the Scorpio will be more expensive than any console on the market. If you want to spend the money, you might as well just play on PC, where you'll get the same games. Consoles only have value if they have games, and the Xbox One doesn't have any to set it apart from any other platform.

>>377884173
t. the cuck who's never played a game at 60fps
Going back to 30fps from 60fps feels like getting out from a mustang to ride a tractor. Only cucks do this to themselves

>>377879878
No, it gets outperformed by i3s and perhaps even low end pentium processors.

>>377885176
But I have, I can go back and forth with no problem

Gears 4, the multiplayer is 60 frames while the campaign is 30, i played that for a few months

Battlefield Bad Company 2 became BC in january, played it and its 30 frames, felt just like 2010 again

Got Rayman Origins for free i think last month it was. Very smooth animations, beautiful game at 60 frames

I find it to be noticable, no question, but i dont consider it to be a problem. I am a bit baffled when i hear someone say 30 frames is unplayable or something like that. I guess it depends if you grew up playing on pc only with max graphics and frame rates rather than consoles, but i dont find it to be as big a deal as pc gamers make it out to be

>>377884576
N64 ran at 30 FPS with occasional drops to 20

>>377885539
OoT ran at a flat 20 FPS m8.

>>377885539
No way man...i never got past glitter gulch mines in banjo tooie until the 360 port almost a decade later. That game must have been at 10-15 frames the entire time. I also remember oot dropping frames hard, same with goldeneye

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>>377868883
>not playing 3 games at once.

look at this pleb claiming so-called PC "master" race. If you can't play 3 games at once with that rig, you don't deserve to be PC master race.

>>377868042
I demand source

>>377869569
pc has a shitty community.

>>377885745
Ok. I was thinking of Mario.

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>>377885862
>Not playing 4 games at once while streaming live TV on Kodi
Fucking pleb.

>>377876130
Doubt it. More likely they are opting for high/ultra-high post processing effects because that's what the marketing department wants.

>>377870070
Upper management at most companies really don't care. Hell, look at Halo 5. It is the flagship game for Microsoft, and they handed it over to a woman who knew very little about the lore, removed split-screen co-op because "our gamers don't have friends in the same room anymore", and they changed the game from the original concept to be less "chase the bad guy and find out he is good" to "thunderthigh tumblerina is going to end fucking white males".

Same thing with Mass Effect. MA2 is widely considered one of the best sci-fi rpgs of all time. EA bought Bioware late enough they couldn't fuck it up. But ME3 was pushed hard out the door to meet an investor meeting and they had to give up plans on the ending. It is still one of the worst game development decisions and they ended up just compounding it with ME:A.

Developers aren't playing the long game where they keep quality high in a franchise because they expect gaming to change in the next few years due to a change in technology or gaming habits in general. This short game bullshit is about taking what money they can now and just hoping they can fit the new model they think is coming when it hits.

I blame mobile gaming for this. It demonstrated what microtransactions can do for profits and it is being translated into console game design (more games faster with greater small purchase options to leech the gamer).

The statistic for the original Pokemon has it selling something like $200million in units taking into account inflation. Pokemon Go was given away for free and has netted them half a billion in microtransactions and cost basically nothing to develop.

>>377876130
>This is a Bungie problem considering there's plenty of devs who do 60 FPS on PS4/Xbone

What kind of an argument is this? All games are different. The devs that do 60fps on consoles have to compromise in other areas.

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>>377883787
>building an entire engine around the 30fps meme

bungie is fucking dead, nothing will ever top halo 1-3 and i really need to psychologically let go of this

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blizzard is going to fuck with Destiny 2, aren't they?

>>377887206
this. why does no one seem to realize that 60fps comes at a cost? look at some 60fps console games this gen, they take place in small, linear areas (last of us HD), have low quality and bland textures and shadows (nier automatic), or go for a simpler, abstract art style (plants vs zombies: garden warfare).

>>377887290
you should have realized bungie died in 2010 with reach bro. halo 1-3 will be all time classics but they have clearly lost their way.

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>>377887372
reach was kinda shit but i had a bit of hope, and i hoped that destiny 1 was just activision's fault

but it's not

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>>377868042
Based Phil already said this is just a 4k bone with vr capability and nothing really else.

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>>377882658
>got my Switch right here

>>377887938
What makes Phil based exactly? The fact that he cancels every interesting game for his platform or that he makes it clear he hates SP games and only wants MP games rife with micro transactions?

>>377887563
i know man, seeing bungies fall from grace has really hurt me. i feel like they wanted to do something a little different with reach which i get, that was fine. but they would have shaped up for halo 4 under microsofts belt. bungie is over my dude

>>377880030
Scorpio will easily outperform the 1060

>>377868597
>stop holding back games
>support handhelds
nintoddling on through eh

>>377888360
Considering it's based on the same architecture as the 580, which is a 6.2 TFLOP GPU that performs on par with the 1060, no, it won't.

You know what im really curious about? How/if the scorpio will improve performance on BC 360 games. Games with an uncapped frame rate for example, benefit and stabilize or go higher than they did on 360. Would the scorpios extra power then say, make some games go 60fps that werent before? The emulation they are doing is really fascinating stuff imo

>>377889978
It's unlikely they'll be any better on Scorpio. Some 360 games already run worse on the Xbox One. Having more power won't fix that.

>>377868715
>/v/ is one person meme
My 1070/6700k shits all over current consoles and I'm confident it will shit all over the next gen because console hardware is that fucking far behind

>>377890260

>He doesn't know they fixed it
>He doesn't know some games that had uncapped FPS on 360 are now hitting near 60FPS on bone

>>377868042
because its all just the same marketing-shit like literally every single time?

>>377890483
Did they fix it? Can you at least get 30fps on Reach now?

>>377890260
No, they are very attentive now. For example, gta4 had some lighting problem on a bridge but they went back and fixed it. The BC is now always just as good as 360 or better, never worse

>>377890542

Reach is locked 30 now. They went back and updated all the bad performing games with the newer version of the emulator.

Also theoretically they could lock games with uncapped FPS to 60, like AC3 for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRGdxQ6OQo

>>377890819
Wonder how the sonic games would do on it? They had some lowish frames in a few areas