I'm so bad at this gamu

i literally dropped the game a while ago, was about to do DD1 and shit just got grimer the more champion quests i did.

i just get fucked over to much, stopped playing a while ago

idk if im just super unlucky but its not fun missing all the time and getting crit'd

Y'all better be running at full torchlight, dark runs mean more enemy damage and a shitty time in general

How's the ps4/vita versions? Are they relatively on par in terms of content with the PC version? do they play well otherwise? Want to get it but i'd like to get it for my vita for on the go.

>>377867350
There is no being "good" at this game. All you can do is grind to make the RNG more favorable to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GW-Y445jUc

basically im glad i torrented and never paid for it

whereas with isaac i torrented then bought it. both are rng heavy (i think?) so it's comparable

I'm on week fucking 111
I'm on the third darkest dungeon quest right now.
Defeat is the fire that tempers victory my friend

If you actually learn to play the game, bad luck is mitigated a lot

>I opened a thing and everyone got stressed
Did you use the right trinket for the curio?
>The right what?

>My occultist is bad at healing
Does he have the healing trinket equipped?
>The what?

>These gravel pile things cost me too much stress and light
Did you bring 2-3 shovels?
>I can't afford that many
Why don't you have any money?
>I have to spend it all on shit in town
Are you using your stress reduction abilities to heal your guys for free in battles and in camp?
>but the jester guy sucks!

>This enemy keeps critting me!
Why don't you just kill him first?
>he's in a rank I can't target!
Well organize your teams better then. How about just clearing the corpses so he moves to a rank you can hit, or using a movment ability to get him out of the rank you can't hit?
>Those abilities do no damage so I don't use them

Easy game.

>>377867979
Identical aside from mod support.

>shit wrecked in apprentice dungeons
>do ok in veteran dungeons, lose some guys
>have done many champion dungeons and never lost a single guy, all runs are smooth as butter

Trinkets + comp are everything

>>377867350
Everytime you feel RNG fucked you I can guarantee there is something you could've done better

Let me give you some advice m8
>Overconfidence kills slowly and insidiously
>The extent of your ancestor's failure is tragic, you will know this in time
>The cost of preparedness is measured now in gold and later in blood
>Packs laden with loot are likely to be low in supplies
>Terrible visitors of darkness reveal themselves when life ebbs
>The trapmaker's art is a curious one, as he is unable to see its efficacy with his own eyes
>CONTINUE THE ONSLAUGHT. DESTROY. THEM. ALL

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>>377868603
How quickly

>>377868371
>Does he have the healing trinket equipped?
>not equipping a calming crystal on occultists for the -% Bleeding skill chance

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>>377868532
>fully upgrade my carrier to get those random lv3 ones all equipped and skilled for free
>get so used to it and dread the grinding heroes from lv0 that I just use what I get at lv3 instead of picking by class
>end up in a situation where I just have jesters in my roast
>mfw

>>377868256
Literally vice-versa for me.

>>377868532
How are the new monsters in champion dungeons? Haven't played DD in quite a while now

>>377868603
>>377868742
I want this idea of a great narrator dictating the events of an RPG/dungeon crawler/any story heavy games to replace the common idead of paying a handful of shitty VAs to voice a boring cast of lines
MANY HAVE FALLEN,BUT NOT THIS ONE.NOT TODAY

>>377868748

Fuck that shit. I just wanna see big numbers on those heals. Using an item is a free action, occultists with 3 stacks of bleed on them are what bandages are made for.

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>>377868748
>>377868371
>not equipping everyone with that medallion that gives bonus status for being in the death door and praying for the best
wow guys,is like you don't even like edging in your RPGs

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>playing through game for the first time in a while
>haven't seen the new enemies yet
>come up against my first swine skiver
>"okay spit to roast isn't that bad, I guess this guy isn-"
>CRIPPLE THEM
>crits all 3 and triple blight procs

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>>377868861
Nothing my invincible dream team can't handle

>everyone has diseases
>everyone has mental illness
>no one is safe
FFS

>>377869056
4 crusaders with those 2 trinkets (1 being crusader-exclusive) that buff you when at Death's door

>They all die at the second hit on death's door despite having 80% deathblow resist

I like it. Once you become familiar with the mechanics of everything it becomes much more manageable. I'm doing a radiant playthrough and it's so nice not having level restrictions bogging me down on doing a run. That was worst part of the original mode. So many times I would get fucked because a crucial character would out level something and I would be stuck with having to use a shit comp.

>>377869056

I'm trying to help people that bitch about the game being too rng heavy by demonstrating how it really isn't that bad

>not also equipping that trinket that gives resistance to death blow

Isn't there also some trinket that breaks when you would have gotten killed instead of your adventurer dying? Not e trinket slots though.

>>377869121
>less than 4 bounty hunters
>invincible

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BACK

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>>377869175
welcome to DD
ACTUAL SPOILERS
Heroes are disposable as fuck.Don't waste your resources on the weak ones,get new stock.You will even have to sacrifice some of them in the final dungeons

>>377869238

>have perfect 3 teams with 12 adventurers in roster
>they're all level 3-4 stably leveling together
>one adventurer on one team dies

Fuck my life

>>377869238
Many people don't know that but Heroes that come back from a successful darkest dungeon quest,the ones with a torch on the portrait,give bonus EXP to the rest of the cast if put in a quest,use that to cut down on grinding

>>377869175
>Diseases
Grave robber and plague doctor have skills that curse diseases

>mental illness
You can remove an affliction by decreasing stress to 0 on the afflicted hero. Of course it is a little more difficult, but Crusader and Jester have great -stress camping skils

>>377869308
>implying
>not using 4 hound master and guarding each other until everyone has 100 of dodge
>star to bleed the enemy to death
>slowly
>gently

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Who is the best hero and why is it snorting man of many crits?

>when you stack full de-accuracy, blight and bleed on a tank enemy and you heal and de-stress your party while he takes 25+ damage a turn

Get the mod "Darkest Desires"
Turned the game around for me by being able to force myself anally onto the Vestal

>>377869308
>entire team has 100 dodge
>entire enemy team has -60 acc
>never fucking get hit
>vestal and jester ensure hp and stress are always zero just in case anything gets through
>team is completely scramble proof
>godly camping skills
>LOADSEMONE

>guys I'm poor and can't afford supplies for muh long dungeons

Max out your carriage so that you can recruit a full team of level 0 shitters every run and just send them down the dungeon with no supplies. If they die you lose nothing. If they escape alive you made 100% of profit and maybe those shitters can handle a harder difficulty next time.

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>>377869375
Link for uncensored?
>i can smell her from here, smells like amonia and sulphur.

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>>377869551
>darkest dungeon second quest
>my healer get masochist
>want to heal her stress in camp but she keeps refusing
>whatever,i'll let her die to the big mobs
>she keeps surviving at death door,through bleed and poison
>makes it back,just her and my highway man,also at death's door
>mfw

>>377869379
>ur next scrub
kek

>>377869701
>marked enemies and bonus to size 2 monsters will come to you but only if you reply saying: keep hangy hunter-mangy

>>377869930

Which camping ability is this supposed to be? That's the grave robber and plague doctor, right?

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>>377868061

>dying to the fucking necromancer, of all bosses

>>377870257

That's almost understandable. Something happens to your deeps or you have a bad comp and he gets lucky on his summon skellies, and all of a sudden he's behind 7000 skellies.

>Dying to the cannon

JUST
LIKE
KILL
MATCH GUY
LMAO

>>377870441
You'd have to bring 4 Antique chicks to not have a good comp against Necro. He's so incredibly easy

>>377868603
a few of these are actually pretty good advice

>>377870441
>know the mechanics of the cannon
>Have an arbalest dedicated to the match guy
>misses
>i used my other moves to clear the field
>My party gets raped and triggered

>>377870257
Who is easier? The Necromancer or the Sodden crew?

Also how have you fared against that Crow boss? Had it come up the first time for me today, I broke its nest and I think it fled, still got the prize though.

I haven't played it for a few months, I like the extra stuff they have added so far, dlc when?

>>377868371
>Does he have the healing trinket equipped?
that nigga can still heal 0

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>>377870257
>>377870441
the only boss that gives me trouble to this day is the hag
>hit the pot
>she just puts another fag in the bag
>if I try to focus her and end the battle the champion keep getting damage per turn AND she keeps tasting his dick for healing
>in the champion quest so I can't stun,bleed or poison effectively her
>my vestal face when

>>377870441
>Miss
>Miss
>hit, survives with 1 point
Fuck
> Misfire!

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>post yfw "the wolf is at your door"

>>377870607
the prophet,hands down
>step 1:make a comp with high dodge
>step 2:there is no step 2
Afaik that's the only way to deal with it,his dodge is too high to focus him and in my experience he fled after some rounds,also leaving behind the trinkets he stole.If you made he flee by hitting the nest you get a chance of him droping his set of trinkets

>>377870746
The Hag is fucking bullshit in Champ dungeons. If you can't empty the pot in a single hit it's near impossible to get DPS on her

>>377870606

>your match-guy-guy misses
>match guy gives you an evil smirk as he lights the fuse
>misfire

That fight can be pretty tense


>Swine king
>fight going pretty good, boss at half hp
>my highway man is wigging out
>one shots Wilbur
>party is turned into fucking hamburger in 2 turns

>>377870934
Can you still sacrifice a couple of level 0 heroes to save the town by just quitting the dungeon? Because fuck Vulf and his crit bandits.

>>377871016
Ignore the pot?

I usually have someone get in, stack about 20 bleeds on the slut and just bring whoever comes out out of death's door.

>>377871070
If you flee,he is going to take down some building upgrades,if they die during the quest they won't.At least I think that's it

Yesterday I discovered Mordheim is a better version of darkest dungeon.

No amount of preparation or game knowledge will help you in this game. sometimes you just get fucked

>have like ~150 hours or so
>carefully and slowly ranking my roster up in second playthrough
>get 10 people to Rank 3
>Set them up for a Medium dungeon in the Weald
>Level 4 armor, skills
>Full inventory of provisions
>First enemy is a tree giant, hag and two dogs
>We miss every single attack the first round except for a buff
>Tree giant crits my Bounty Hunter 40 damage or something
>Miss two attacks the second round and heal him for two
>Both dogs focus him, he dies on the first deaths door tick
>Miss every attack again, healer shitting the bed
>Dogs still full health, re-applying bleed
>Tree giant crits my Man at arms for his entire health bar


Safe to say everyone died.

>>377871229
>attacking on first round instead of buffing/stunning

SHITTER ALERT

>>377871070
it works but Vulf will come a knocking again later

I actually cheesed Vulf pretty easily with a MaA and a Rampart Shield. Just spam protect on everyone and Vulf cant hurt you. What fucking sucks is how you'll get stressed to death by everything else trying to collect the ancestral trinkets in the other rooms.

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>used to be terrified of facing the collector
>now find myself wanting to fight him every encounter for the extra $$$

How quickly the tide turns

>>377871227
I dunno about that. I like Mordheim but the story missions are pretty fucking godawful.

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>>377868061
>he can't beat the Necromancer

that's a sign that you have no fucking business playing this game. He's literally the most basic of all RPG boss tropes, i.e. "big man spawns the little mans until big Man is dead." How the fuck do you fuck up this bad.

DLC WHEN?!?!!

>>377871297
I JUST SAID I BUFFED, FAG

MY PARTY WAS A QUICK-DOWN HARD HITTER PARTY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO NUKE ENEMIES BEFORE THEY COULD MOVE, BUT NOOOOOOOOO THEY'RE +2 ACCURACY BUFFS APPARENTLY DONT MEAN SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377868008
This.

There's virtually no skill involved with Darkest Dungeon outside of just boosting your heroes stats and hammering away at the "gameplay".

>>377871331
>tfw you stun that nigga and kill him before he even picks up the phone

>>377871227
dumb question, what is the difference between Warhammer and Warhammer 40k?

>>377871229
>not fleeing after losing your second champion
you should have know better at 150 hours buddy.I had this happened before many times,even on DD quests,but it is still better to flew with 1 hero and your trinkets than lose then all

>>377871229

I think those trees have the highest burst damage in the game for non-bosses.

>treebranch smackdown
>83 fucking damage in a level 3 quest, literally twice that characters hp

Ouch

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This is my favorite DD pic, always makes me chuckle. Doesn't the new version have an easy mode called Radiant, it's been awhile since I've played.

>>377871435
I think everyone always forgets you can flee, unless its like Stygian mode?

>>377871227
How is that game anyways? Been meaning to check it out.

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>>377871425

>>377871378
>MY PARTY WAS A QUICK-DOWN HARD HITTER PARTY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO NUKE ENEMIES BEFORE THEY COULD MOVE
That's exactly why you're a shitter

Even if that team is 90% reliable that still means you're eventually going to just get fucked exactly the way you did. Make a better team that can handle things not going as planned

>>377871478
Top kek

>>377871463
the giant has abysmal accuracy until something marks you which happens in the same turn usually anyway but fuck it when those giants juts randomly crit you anyway

>>377871426
40k is the far far future, warhammer is fantasy. Not sure if it's the same planet/universe though.

>>377871426
Warhammer is fantasy, warhammer 40k takes place in the year 41xx and is science fantasy.

Basically are you killing someone with a magically glowing sword or a sciency glowing sword. Are you shooting them with a bow or a gun.

>>377871478
Radiant is more like turbo mode than easy mode, theres no change in stats of the enemies, its just crunches down all the requirements

>>377871524
How am I supposed to plan against tree-nigger critting me twice?

Bring three healers?

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>>377871478
This one is always good for a chuckle

>>377871435
I did try to run, it just happened so long ago I can't remember if anyone even survived.

>>377868061
Imagine being 35 and reacting this way to videogames

>>377871602
>debuff tree fucks accuracy
>he misses
wow

>>377871478
>welcome to the hamlet,now get out

>>377871229
>No amount of preparation or game knowledge will help you in this game
not true
>sometimes you just get fucked
very true
you gotta know when you get fucked and salvage what you can, there's no shame in running if things get ugly. With prep and knowledge you can go the whole time up to the DD levels without losing anyone
174 hrs here

>>377871512
It's turn based with base management like darkest dungeon but in a 3D environment with many more methods of advance and attack, much fairer than DD but less forgiving (you can't heal permanent debuffs like you can in DD). Also gives you a bunch of factions to choose from.

>>377871602
Jester solo can lower the accuracy of your enemies
Occultist weakening hex or Vestal hand of light can lower the damage of enemies
Man at Arms, Hound Master, Antiquarian can stack protection/dodge on your party members to keep them alive
Antiquarian and Man at Arms can stacking buff the dodge of your team

Stacking stun trinkets on any stun character is effective enough to let you stun enemies even multiple times in a row

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>>377871613

>>377871346
C'mon! That was my BEST Hero!

>>377871823
>weakening hex
I find this works really well against smackdown, once you have it going twice he can't do much damage at all.

>>377871613
>when the """ancestors"""(Illuminati) poison your food

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>>377867350

I still haven't fucking beat this game - I'll start a campaign, play every day for a week, then get bored and quit.

Next time I feel like playing, I just start over again. Dunno why the fuck I can't just knuckle down and finish.

Fun game though.

>>377872132
I'm the same, DLC will help.

>>377871743

>trying to do a run where I am only allowed to have 1 of each class in my roster and I'm never allowed to replace them if they die
>takes weeks sometimes for a member of a class I need to even show up in the stagecoach
>in the meantime, stuck making subpar, weirdly leveled comps just so I can take quests to make time pass

Now this is Darkest Dungeon. I can't even get to level 6 like this, I generally get fucked up in levels 3-4 and lose my only healer or some shit, and then I get shit on by something.

>>377872183
There's a DLC coming?
Any details?

>>377872201
>not having at least triples of every class
>not having the stagecoach fully upgraded
get off of my board

>>377872132
I'm playing this game over 6 months already.But instead of completing making a fresh start I continue from the same hamlet each time I stop playing.Takes a while to get used again but hey I'm on the darkest dungeon last quest finally

>>377872280

>not having triples of every class

I'm not allowed to have more than one of any class, that's part of the challenge I said.

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>>377872274
>he is unaware

http://store.steampowered.com/app/580100/Darkest_Dungeon_The_Crimson_Court/

>>377872274
>vampire themed
>your heroes can be VAMPED
>a hunter comes out to hunt the VAMPED heroes

It's called the Crimson Court, they put up a steam page the other week. It comes out "when it's ready," it was supposed to come out in Feb when they initially announced it.

>>377872353
>making a difficult game harder by imposing arbitrary and pointless goals on yourself
stay on my board

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>>377872416

Is this the new hero?

>>377872517
That looks like the groundskeeper.

>>377872416
>mosquito ass vampires
>mosquito
>vampires
mang,this game grasps eldritch Cthulhuish style so good.We need more games with this setting

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>>377872416
>Highwayman and Bounty Hunter without their masks on
This feels wrong.

>>377872517
>those people tied up in the background

C L E A N S E D

>>377872517
Nah, he's the one that comes for your ass if your heroes turn into vampires

>>377872416
>tfw play the game with corpses off because the idea of being blocked by a dead body is retarded
Sue me.

>>377868910
DAZED
REELING
ABOUT TO BREAK

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>yfw the collector ambushes your party of 3 wounded heros, you've never fought it before, and you've already got 3 trapezoids on the line
Honestly, the occultists death was unfortunate, but not unfavorable, I got 2 more every single week.

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>>377872828
Sue you? For what? You don't even have your own dignity left. There's nothing to gain from court.

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>>377868742
QUICKER

>>377867350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMNELG6AdRg&list=PLy1RoYlej6xWqRRci7K_OuQWa-7UgG0uo&index=89

This is the best one

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>>377872961
DEATH WAITS
FOR THE SLIGHTEST LAPSE IN CONCENTRATION

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>>377869056
>tfw the AI always seems to target Dismas and/or Reynauld when you take them into dungeons
>tfw they get crit'd and death door'd and instantly die

>>377873057
My personal favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph5NSJ3GRBo

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>>377867350

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>>377873092
>wrong one
DAZED

>>377873057
his lines are stripped by themselves on youtube?Fuck,I'm so using this on my next tabletop RPG

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>>377873145

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>mfw Reynauld and Dismas find their redemption

>>377873191
They're a bit different since you usually have the music in the game but they're still incredible.

>>377873228
>Literally turn into Mosquito men
Spooky.

>>377873238
jesus christ this one killed me

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AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL

>>377873371
Deus Vult is one hell of a drug.

>>377873286
I wish I could figure out how to strip the npc sounds.
I wanna use the madman lines.

>>377867350
I love the art style and atmosphere of this game, but everything besides that and the party building and combat is shallow as fuck. I would love the fuck out of it if they took those good elements and built a proper plot-driven dungeon exploration game, like Etrian Odyssey.

As is, I sometimes feel the urge to play, but then remember what a pointless grind it is and that quickly kills it.

>>377873228
I love the mosquito motif, it's so much better than a generic vampire or bat theme.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/darkest-dungeon-the-story-of-the-iceberg-review-by-celerity.112386/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Buwei6ZWqU

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/darkest-dungeon-the-story-of-the-iceberg-review-by-celerity.112386/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Buwei6ZWqU

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/darkest-dungeon-the-story-of-the-iceberg-review-by-celerity.112386/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Buwei6ZWqU

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/darkest-dungeon-the-story-of-the-iceberg-review-by-celerity.112386/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Buwei6ZWqU

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>>377873371
I know it's a bit of a stretch, but the Crusader's family looking strikingly similar to the mother and son that the HWM accidentally kills is always a bit of a mindfuck

>>377872517

His moto is "Purge the corrupted"

This fucker is literally a cross between a Empire Battle Priest and an Imperial Inquisitor.

>>377873548
>just make DD into generic anime trash like Etrian, then it'll be good
fuck you

>>377873658
hory shet

Isn't this the RNG game?

>>377873658
I dunno, Reynauld's kid looks to be in his early teens in his comic, that boy looks much younger.

>>377873548
The plot is the worst part of any Etrian game.

>>377871385
>There's virtually no skill involved outside of just boosting your heroes stats and hammering away at the "gameplay".

wouldn't that apply to most turn based RPG though ? Or Even some dungeon crawlers and Roguelikes ?

You have a selection of classes each with a selection of skills from which you must take only a few...

One of the most popular roguelike right now, Dungeon Crawl Stonesoup, has literally no attack buttons: you only bump into enemies and it's a dice roll. Yet there are tournaments and people with over 50% success rate on their runs.

I think people getting screwed over by games with strong random elements really are just whiny bitches that got too used to min maxing following guides and tried and true routes. When they need to improvise when confronted by the unexpected they just lose their shit and give up to run back to their safe zone RPGs.

>>377873608
1: As mentioned before, the vast majority of skills and even entire classes are useless. Stagecoach gives random classes, with random skills (though you can completely bypass this with backer heroes and get your Hellion spam going Week 1). Early on the Blacksmith is locked and a bit later it's available but expensive. Should the game not give you at least a few useful things, you will fail through no fault of your own because even though say, the Plague Doctor should be a legitimate choice, and her blight and stunning abilities should be valid tactical options they are not.

2: Regarding the usual presentation, of complaints of RNG in combat these are self generated by virtue of falling for the newbie traps either by lack of critical thought, or sheer stubbornness/being different/being "tactical"/etc. It's simple math at work. If an enemy has a 20% critical hit chance, the odds they critically hit you at least once are 20% if they attack you once, 36% if they attack you twice, 48.8% if they attack you 3 times and so on. Critical hits can just as easily be diseases, or debuffs, or any other on hit effect. The more chances you give RNG the more likely that RNG screwage becomes. In normal games this is balanced out by various defensive and recovery mechanics so that that, and simple attrition do not force a damage spam fest. This one intentionally breaks said mechanics and actively punishes everything except damage spam while rewarding damage spam, resulting in a game where you're either bored and grinding, but winning, or bored and grinding, but losing and raging about RNG. And the reason for that is very simple. Using skills that mathematically don't work (anything but direct damage) increases combat length by a factor of 2, 3, or even more. That's more enemy actions and more bad things happening.

Shit....

Don't like how you have to constantly level up and recruit new party members just so the characters you want to play can get experience. Other then that it's a great game.

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>>377873762
>Etrian
>generic anime trash

I want you to fucking die

I like etrian and darkest dungeon though

>>377873842
as much as I like EO,this
I liked the first ones way more as well because most of the stories and plots were the adventures and experiences I had myself while playing with my band of champions,even the creator of the series said so himself somewhere that it was something intentional.That's the same thing I feel with DD.Part of the fun is partaking in these crazy barely scraping with life quests and coming back to trade those tales with people in these threads

>>377873919
>Plague Doctor should be a legitimate choice, and her blight and stunning abilities should be valid tactical options they are not
this dumb nigga can't be serious, PD is indispensable in the ruins early game

>>377873658

Look at the size difference between reynaulds wife and son and the people dismas kills. That's only reynaulds family if dismas went back in time to when reynaulds son was much younger and smaller to assassinate him. Then you have the paradox of how reynaulds could check up on his family if they were already in his past by time-travelling dismas.

What redemption is reynauld seeking anyway? He's just a crusdser, he didn't do anything wrong in his backstory.

>>377873842
The plots in etrian are perfect enough. Just enough of a story to get the imagination going without too much bullshit

>>377873608
>Remember, anyone who understands the game mechanics is spamming Hellions and damage in a dark run. This means you find plenty of gold, and the actual problem is inventory space, or more precisely tiny stack sizes + many different but interchangable types of "gold stacks" (gold, 6 different gems...) So you grind and grind, and then drop most of the loot you grind out in favor of other loot. Getting more loot you'll just drop anyways does not help matters and making gold stacks slightly larger is both more than canceled by the 2 new stacks of gold variants, and made irrelevant by the fact you'll be dropping gold in favor of stacks worth more than 2k anyways.

>Further, the heirloom grind is specifically unaffected even though that was the actual grind point. It was affected by a different change, but as that different change results in grinding 15% fewer deeds and 50% more crests on the blacksmith it really at best shuffled the grind, and at worst further amplified it while allegedly reducing it which is also a classic move by this company.

>Now, people that don't understand the game mechanics are the ones having gold problems. They're using useless classes and skills, they're leaving the lights on, they're constantly poking the proverbial Giant Alien Spider events, they're wasting money on stress relief, they're not investing money in the gold standard trinkets. They're the ones that actually need this. Except now they have a literally useless character, so the marginally higher gold they get is more than countered by their mismanagement of what invariably goes wrong.

>>377868371
I don't know what is worse. Imagining players that bad or somebody like you pointing out the most obvious surface statements imaginable.

>>377874125
He abandoned his family twice to kill people

>>377874125
>he didn't do anything wrong in his backstory

He left his family to go on crusading.

Just a reminder to everyone, these are the "in file" canon names of all the characters.

Crusader: Reynauld
Highwayman: Dismas
Plague Doctor: Paracelsus
Vestal: "Junia"
Hellion: Boudica
Bounty Hunter: Tardif
Grave Robber: Audrey
Occultist: Alhazred
Jester: "Jingles"
Leper: Baldwin
Arbalest: Missandei
Man at Arms: Barristan
Houndmaster: "Shag & Scoob" (Never let him die)
Abomination: Bigby

>>377868371
Curios use trinkets?!

This was NOT in the tutorial

>>377872517
>wandering mini-boss
God, I'm getting the feeling he's strong enough to slap the collectors shit in.

>>377873919
t.someone who never completed the game

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pic related

>>377874187
>Now I mentioned the class does work but in an unintended way. Again in classic Red Hook fashion, it's full of obvious bugs and exploits as they have zero understanding of logic or emergent gameplay.

>Enter a Long quest, immediately camp. 3 Merchants spam the give me a trinket skill, 1 whatever uses a no night attack skill. Do this twice and leave. Repeat. They'll get bombed with negative quirks and diseases but those don't matter as this is your infinite gold farm team, like Suicide Squadding but much faster. They'll also get stress but leaving a quest caps your stress at 100 even if it's higher and doing this shouldn't make you go 100-200 so they'll never die (and if they do, replace with more level 0s, they're infinite and free). You might need 4 food (2 per camp) for this. You'll still make much more selling the junk and keeping the few useful trinkets (read: those that promote the alpha strike dark running). As an added bonus this shouldn't even advance the week (other than the week they get afflicted) so you literally have infinite grind time even if there is allegedly a time limit. Completely unintended, but the only time the class actually gains you resources as intended.

>>377873919
This guy sounds like he never got past level 1 dungeons.

>>377874212
>>377874260

But that was for God. Reynauld is religious in the game, he has no doubts about the correctness of his choice.

>>377873919
>the Plague Doctor should be a legitimate choice, and her blight and stunning abilities should be valid tactical options they are not.
> The more chances you give RNG the more likely that RNG screwage becomes. In normal games this is balanced out by various defensive and recovery mechanics so that that, and simple attrition do not force a damage spam fest.

did this nigga play the fucking game for 15 minutes? you go up against anything with any amount of Prot you better have fucking brought the DOT classes.

>>377872274
>Vampire-themed DLC. except vampires here are mosquito-people instead of bat people
>1 new side quest, 1 new hero, 1 new location
>New location has new curios, enemies and mechanics (including locked doors). It is also huge and you can quit it and return without losing your progress on it so it plays differently from the rest
>Your heroes can get affected with vampirism, granting benefits and penalties
>A boss called The Fanatic hunts you down should you have someone cursed with vampire aids

I think that's all that is known for now

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>>377874313
>Crusader: Reynauld
>Leper: Baldwin
Crusade references always make me giddy
Reminder that Reynauld and his namesake LITERALLY did nothing wrong
>>377874419
He has no doubts so long as he doesnt break. If he breaks, he'll sheerly regret what he did

>>377874407
>>377874353
>>377874070
>a video game """"critique"""" barely plays a game,writes a rushed,barely factual based,click baity article to move on to the next game and continues his quota
by the gods

>>377872618
Grave Robber is waifu

>>377869794
>ENSURING HP IS ALWAYS ZERO
kek

>>377873608

How many fedoras is this guy on?

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>>377874608
>now we can turn her into a vampire

>>377874419
>he has no doubts about the correctness of his choice

The beginning of DD could take place many years later. It's possible they died and he feels guilty (or perhaps they're still alive but he can't face them).

>>377874070
>>377874353
>>377874407
>It's something of a meme in this point that I have 1,337 hours in this game. It's important we understand here that I am reviewing Darkest Dungeon as produced by Red Hook Studios. As such, the time I spent making this a real, deep, balanced game and enjoying that is only relevant in the sense that it shows what could have been if the actual devs had done this. Because the base game was and still is a shallow walking simulator full of obvious choices, the negative tone stands.

...

>So while I'm sitting here with a perfectly functional and long lasting game filled with actual choices and difficulty, I am watching as the official version steadily becomes easier, more one dimensional, and more incoherent. I'm keeping tabs on it and firetesting it periodically. For example when the new bosses Flesh/Cannon/Prophet were added, I went in blindly with level 0 characters. They trivially won of course. They then trivially beat the level 3 bosses despite just being random damage characters while still at level 0. They probably could have beaten the level 5 bosses, except protection mechanics were different back then so they'd have just hit for 0 and eventually died. The point of this test was very simple - if the game was actually difficult and deep now I'd be punished for disrespecting it so heavily. I wasn't. Indeed, the only thing that provided any resistance is the Ghoul, and that's only because entering dungeons with a 3 level handicap gives 30 stress on entry and -75% stress resist. This was also the Heart Attack patch, yet no one had one (and you couldn't turn them off yet either). So even with what is effectively more than double stress damage + other handicaps (a level 0 character dies after 93 effective stress damage, not counting entry), the game was still a joke. In fact, it was more of one than when I was a 5 hour noob and still rofflestomping everything at the very beginning when I first got the game.

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>>377874608
I mean, she WAS a waifu
U S E D G O O D S
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>>377874207

Would you like me to instead make comments on how all the rng percentages are in spreadsheet files you can open in excel and modify instead?

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>>377874669
wew lad I was not ready for this possibility.

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>>377874358
commencing leper/pd dump tbqh

>>377874070
PD is indispensable always
best girl
also incision has the best sound effect

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>>377874358
>literally the only man capable of one shotting God

its a damn good feeling.

>>377874819

Is this a ship?

>>377874676
>put 1337 hours into the EA version of the game
>wow it's shit
Every time

>>377874676
Proof this is you

>>377874358
>ywn have a foursome orgy with Plague Doctors and punch out Cthulhu in 1 hit
Madness

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>>377874819

>>377873962

You can change certain settings of the game files so that characters aren't restricted to only going to dungeons only around their level.

I did this so that I could take characters on easy missions while the others rested. Works nicely and frankly it doesn't make the difficulty any easier it just takes out a fuck ton of the time required for leveling 20+ heroes. Felt nice having a "one of" team, made me like (and hate) certain characters a ton more.

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>>377869375
>Those pubes
fucking patrician taste.

>>377873842
I didn't say it had to have a plot like EO, I said I'd enjoy it more if it were that style of game. I mean, DD has a plot, right? But it's all generic, randomly-generated dungeons. What I'm saying is I'd prefer an expansive series of fixed dungeons, progressing through bosses and story points and such. That's all.

>>377874316
What did you think the large "Insert item here" box was for when you inspected a Curio ?

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>>377870441
>not running Occultist BHunter BHunter Lepper against bosses

>>377874751
It would be more constructive than describing what the tooltips already describe.

If somebody is braindead to the point that your information is unknown to them, nobody will be able to educate them.

>>377869861
http://imgur.com/ESlVb3d

>>377875079

His point is that the things you put in the curios are not trinkets, they're provisions or whatever. Trinkets go on adventurers.

>anything other than Fool Rush In
https://youtu.be/Myzd7cU78mg

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>>377874942

>play game for 30 minutes
>say it's shit
>"how do you know, you barely played it!"

>play a game for 30 hours
>say it's shit
>"if it was shit you wouldn't have played it for so long :^)"

>>377875009
That's literally what Radiant mode does. Up to lvl 4 heroes can still go to apprentice dungeons and 5-6 can still go to veterans.

>>377871696
He's doing it to entertain twitch kids bro.

>>377875103
Fuck having duplicate heroes on a mission. Even with different skills it's just always annoyed me.

>>377874942
The disaster zone started on the Corpse and Hound patch, released July 15th 2015. It's important we understand here absolutely every aspect of this patch, not just the corpse meme made the game worse in some way. Either it added another trap option in the Hound(master), it added more power creep in locked positive quirks, it added more grind in various "features"... what's more, nearly all of this was hardcoded, so there was no way of removing the grind and tedium and replacing it with actual difficulty. The corpse meme that everyone got stuck on is that an enemy that doesn't fight back adds difficulty, which sounds laughable when you actually think about it but most don't, the game having self selected out critical thinkers quite effectively by this point. This of course kills discussion about difficulty, because instead of it being about actual sources of difficulty which the game lacks (enemy stat and AI buffs, synergies, and so on) you just have some trash on the ground that does nothing. Of course, streamers/casuals were just using bad teams and clicking on whatever was in front of them blindly, which is the only logical reason I can see why they got this idea at all. Obviously if you're blindly clicking the thing in front of you, putting garbage in front of you would make it "harder".

The real reason this patch is so important is because while people with a background in system analysis like me caught the problems with the game and its decline and some questionable things from the developers early, this patch made them so blatant that everyone noticed. As a result, this patch was met with an overwhelming wave of negativity - and while it was parried by the corpse strawman only about half of it was actually about corpses, the rest correctly identified some or all of the other problems.

>huh, this game sounds pretty fun
>play for a few hours, slowly build up party
>hey, not bad, I could get the hang of this
>suddenly lose all my strongest characters in a single dungeon
>never play again
and thats how I learned I was am casual babby

>>377875220
>middle ground doesn't exist

ok child

I still haven't finished the second Darkest Dungeon yet. Those big scorpioniggers hit hard even with Shaggy and Scooby.

>>377875419
Yeah, the second darkest dungeon is the most difficult by far.

>>377874819

Does the Leper actually have Leprosy who is he afflicted with something else and just called the Leper? Because Leprosy is actually stupidly easily cured in the technological era that Darkest Dungeon takes place.

>>377874358
>mfw I used a Leper with the destress, self heal, and self buff skills to solo a dungeon because the entire party died after like 2 rooms

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>>377875368

>there needs to be a middle ground

Are you legitimately retarded?

Please explain exactly how many hours that middle ground is, and why you are the one that gets to decide that in the first place.

>>377875310
>Complaining about corpses
opinion discarded

>>377875310
>being this buttmad because he couldn't beat the game

>>377875368
Not him but what's your arbitrary middleground? DD is pretty straight forward and if he didn't like the beginning he's not going to like the rest.

>>377875254

Oooh, nice. Hopefully the DLC has a Radiant mode as I would like to play it on the Switch if they release it on it.

>>377875419
Go to the 2 templars fight first, it is the easiest if you make them swap places

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>>377875515
>one of Leper's biggest problems is the team being shuffled
>if he has no team you can't fuck up his positioning

>>377867350

geimu

>>377875498
>Because Leprosy is actually stupidly easily cured in the technological era that Darkest Dungeon takes place

Google tells me effective leprosy treatment first became available in the 1940's.

>>377875310
What are these posts supposed to prove? That the game is bad? Because this "reviewer" seems like a complete retard who min-maxes every game then calls them shit because they have an exploit or two.

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>>377875310

>>377875498
We don't really know the era DD takes place.
On one hand you have Firearms and a Victorian style on most things
On the other you still have crusades, medieval plague doctors and kings

>>377875310
>while people with a background in system analysis like me caught the problems ... this patch made them so blatant that everyone noticed
Wew, oh man, proud of that strenuous degree ain't he?

>>377875745

>Leper is only good in the front 2 rows.
>Team of only 2 Lepers

Omg, think of the possibilities.

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>>377875354
I actually brought my strongest party for the Swine Prince encounter on my blind first playthrough.

>Holy sh- Hit that dwarf pig giving the orders !

>>377875856
>>377875498
>>377875771
A popular theory is that due to muh cosmic entities, people who have suffered or sinned are naturally drawn to the Hamlet which is on the verge of time-space thanks to the Final Boss' presence.

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>>377875354
>Bring strongest warriors to the darkest dungeon.
>Finish it.
>They decide they won't go back again.

>>377875904
>Get a hero killed by willburg's squal
>Achievement unlocked: That will do pig

As for the final release version itself, well I long since got tired of the boring, bland, one dimensional grind so I wrote a basic script that basically runs around and holds 1. Send it with a standard damage spam team and it's the same "experience" as actually being in front of your computer while letting you do something else that actually requires thought and effort. Long story short, damage spam bot vs final dungeon = bot easily wins, proving the game hasn't changed at all. Of course, Never Again requires grinding out more Hellions because those ones are scared of absolutely nothing and I have no interest in doing that, of grinding out 4 redundant clone teams. Grind being repeating the same trivial thoughtless tasks... if the combat and runs were not all thoughtless copy pastes it'd be less grindy even if it were the same length, and I have well north of 10,000 hours on turn based RPGs so I am well versed on both long games and grind.

Now, what Red Hook obviously does want is review bait for their review fodder game. As mentioned at the beginning, it looks ok for about 5 hours then breaks down very quickly after that point. Most reviewers (as in the professional kind, not just users on Steam) give it less than that (and sometimes zero, such as when release announcements contain pre alpha video footage) and then mindlessly praise it. Though who give it more time, even one complete run say something very different, this being a game in which your understanding and enjoyment are inversely proportionate anyone who does grind out the entire thing will reach the same conclusions as me and other veterans about the mechanics even if they were not aware of all the other stuff regarding the developer/community happening in the background. Which is a good part of the reason why Joesph Anderson's review is going viral. He reached more or less the same conclusions about the game but on his own.

>>377872119
>Appreciate their huge tits
>Then remember that humans in Darkest Dungeon are piles of writhing god flesh and I'm probably staring at oversized black eyeballs

>>377871016

>ignore pot
>stack dots on hag
>heal guy that comes out of pot

I usually do 2 houndmasters for her for the ranged attack and self-heal.

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If it took you more than 80 hours to 100% the game, not counting the recent Radiant Mode achievements, you are officially a casual.

I sometimes wonder if people missed the point of the game being completely rng and prone of fucking you over with its trial and error system.

>>377876131
>Hellion is OP so the game sucks
Literally his entire argument. kek
What a dumb cunt

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>when the last enemy is marked and stunned and it's about to be your Bounty Hunter with Helmet of Hurting and Finish Him's turn

>>377874187
You're not supposed to spend money on stress relief?

>>377876429
>80 hours.

You mean 40.

>>377875771

and googles also telling me that there's recorded Leprosy cures around the 1800's which is roughly when Darkest Dungeon takes place (based on the firearms technology in the game).

But keep in mind that Darkest Dungeons characters are all based from different ages of history. The latest being the Occultist who is very obviously Lovecraftian inspired and that wasn't a thing till the 1920s

>>377872119
>Hellion
>Plague Doctor
>Vestal
Fuck no, I don't want to be the guy on corpse duty.

>>377876452
As mentioned earlier, for some player, winning and losing at a game makes or break a game. If something random or unexpected happen, they will usually blame the game's design/RNG since they should be entitled to a win for the effort they've invested in the game.

Therefore they do not learn from their mistakes and never improve the "management" element they seem to completely overlook.

I have seen these kind of player fail at a game, reload and do the exact same thing ad nauseum in a ever increasing rage until they have the RNG in their favor.

Bitching about corpses is the official Retard Alert in this game 2bh

If you are not mentally damaged you would realise the following after a while playing DD
>Corpses can also work in your favor
>You should always bring a team capable of targeting all rows anyways

Someone who complains about corpses is someone not worth listening to

>>377876936

>rng kills the savescum

>>377876917
Hellion is quite literally the best frontliner in the game
Plague doctor is excellent in ruins and cove (and anywhere once you get the Bloody Herb trinket)
Vestal is meh, I prefer Occultist since he is not just a walking heal

7.5/10 comp needs more houndmasters

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>>377875745
>>377875896
dear lord think of the consequences you mad men. Is your cause so right that a mountain of bodies justifies it?

>>377877465
It doesn't, but its easier to just not play like an idiot rather than just savescuming 20 times in a row

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>>377873608
>complaining about grind
>80 hours of it is a long time guyz
I'm at 75 and only have 1 team that's resolve 5. This isn't even close to "grind" for me.

>>377868371
>tfw for the longest time didn't realize I was pressing the wrong button to clear rubble
>felt like an idiot when I realized

>been playing DD for a long time since early access
>remember back when all the heroes weren't nerfed to shit
>remember when the trinkets didn't come with retarded downsides
>still no mod on the Steam Workshop to unfuck all of the heroes back to their pre-nerf states and to unfuck all of the trinkets

At least theres a ton of OP as fuck new classes people added in to make the game as fun as it used to be back before the dev's got all nerf happy with every last fucking thing.

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>>377877643
>deathblow by cultist
I shouldn't laugh, when that shit happens it's fucking infuriating

>60 hours in
>have lots of fun making new teams and trying different things out
>not afraid to let people die, purge heroes to get better ones etc.
>didn't enjoy the game at first but enjoyed it more and more the longer I've played to the point where I love it

Why does it feel like it's the opposite for everyone else?

>>377867350

The game is stacked against you. You can only pray and hope for the best.

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>>377878050
>the highwayman nerf
>the Finish Him nerf
>the Beserker Mask nerf
>the motherfucking Holy Lance nerf
I haven't played since Christmas ish last year, so more retarded changes have probably happened, but my salt is infinite

>>377873608
lmao
I just noticed this is the same guy that made that 30 min video explaining why you shouldn't like Dragon's Dogma

>>377878148
shitters that only know to play rpgs by grinding their characters to max then spam the biggest hitting attack on everything, there's a reason why EO isn't spammed enough in here

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>Swine KANG dungeon
>keep getting booze barrel curios
>bounty hunter is at +90% damage (Until Camp) by the time we reach the king

>>377878148
It's similar for me
I'm almost 200 hours in

>>377878148
It's fairly simplistic once you figure out the meta. There's not a lot under the hood once you get past the nice aesthetic. I like it for sure, but I never saw myself doing multiple playthroughs after I finished it once. It's good that you enjoy it though, that's not an attack on you.

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>>377871613
>I KNEW IT

>>377867350
Stopped playing when I learned that there's a level cap for missions or whatever they are called. Fuck that shit.

>>377869121
>Wasting a slot on a healbot
It's like you don't want to control and defeat the enemy quickly so you don't have to resort to pathetic heals.

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>>377874358
Petals must fall.

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What does everyone think about using backer trinkets/heroes?

Most of the heroes are complete garbage but a couple of them (looking at you Ncredible Bulk) make a ridiculously strong base to build a level 6 from and some of the backer trinkets have competently laughable drawbacks as well

For me it really does feel like cheating

>>377876625

They lose stress by not getting brought on missions if you simply don't bring them. Also you can use de-stressing abilities in your farm dungeons

>>377880207
I only use them for named party fuckery, there's a lot of Crusaders, Jesters, and Highwaymen that if you remove their quirk they go retard tier in the long run.

Backer trinkets are just broken though.

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>Start playing game
>Never played before
>Missed 2-3 times and got crit 2 times
>Crusader is dead in tutorial
>Check how other people did it online
>They crushed it doing the exact same shit I did

You know why I don't play Xcom or shit like this?

Because luck is the biggest fuck you in the world for me.

>>377878312
You speak of nerf like this is some competitive game. Are you doing speedruns of it or something ?

Who cares about "nerfs" in a single player game ? You have all the time in the world to adapt to it or find alternatives, it's not like you've wasted hours or practice like in a competitive game.

Is the DLC gonna be free?

>>377880738
Yup, life's a bitch.

What are you gonna do about it ? Refuse to be beat by a fucking computer or go back to your zone or comfort ? Either way I'm not judging you because in the end it's all about one's tastes.

>>377881868
$10
>>377873228

>>377873872
>Roguelikes
No
You cannot win DCSS on pure luck alone, even if an absolute beginner gets incredibly lucky he will not win the run. The same cannot be said for Darkest Dungeon.

>>377882187
How so ?

The first part of your argument is absolute truth. But you're telling me you can beat DD with luck alone ? Random heros in random positions doing nothing but their first picked skill, and you can win.

You must really hate the game to be convinced it's the game's fault you suck at it.

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Is the affliction check actually at 101 or is there such thing as 99.5 stress?

I have no idea what happened here, she crit off stress before they could trigger her

>>377882421
As long as your heroes are in positions where they can actually utilise their skills, which doesn't really require much skill or thinking because the game tells you, you could hypothetically win entirely on rng alone.
Of course the chances are incredibly low but it's still there, and will keep increasing to pretty good chances with some basic rng manipulation (that once again the game is transparent about) like torch light.
I don't know why you're so defensive over this. I don't hate the game at all, it's just incredibly boring and only gets marginally better in the late game

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i love the man-at-arms.

>>377882449
Maybe it's a bug, your character can have 90 stress, receive 30 more and it won't go above 100 until they get their resolve

>Finish a level
>No stress, no hp loss at the end even
>3 party members contract stupidly harmful diseases in the wheel of misfortune in the quirk screen
It's honestly kinda annoying.

>>377883864
Well at least they aren't stressed and fully diseased and all get misses the spot.

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>>377883968
No, but the black plague on 2 of them is probably my biggest grievence.
>when you put in someone to lose the tapeworms, but they also get rabies removed for free

>>377871016
>>377870746
Ignore the pot

The guy who gets there wont die there. The guy will come out when he/she hits the deaths door and then you can just heal him/her

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>>377880738
>tfw you thought both of the characters were meant to die in tutorial

>>377871613
what in the fuck even happened here??

>>377886854
Afflicted with Paranoia {which has a chance of taking any stress recovery and reversing it) while trying to camp while their stress was already above 170 which gave them a heart attack thus killing them

>RIP IN FUCKING PISS!

tfw good at this gamu because i read what's on the screen

I wish it was still unbalanced and fun. I wish trinkets weren't complete trash now for the most part. I wish corpses weren't a thing. I wish DD was back to the way it was.

>>377887659
you can't be good at coin flipping you lying cockfag

>>377887809
like all of these RNG heavy games you can reduce the risks a lot if you think for a second or two

that's how you get good at gamu my friend

>>377887562
desu the last thing of his that didn't feel forced

how can you be "bad" at singleplayer hearthstone
there's literally zero amount of skill involved

>>377882449
When it goes over 100. Unless it was changed, when the enemy does more than what it needs to for 100 stress, it won't add. So, you got extremely lucky there.

>>377867350
is it still grindy as hell?

>>377889808
Yes, they've added an option to completely bypass all the late-game grinding.

>>377889808
No, not early as grindy as it used to be.

There are town events that give free upgrades and treatment. Your heroes also level up even faster.

>>377868256
Well you've got that the wrong way around.

DD has manageable RNG where you can somewhat reduce the damage done if something goes wrong and recover most of the time. You just have to prepare yourself for it which is what every single person that cries about the RNG doesn't do.
Isaac however can fuck you over with items, you can get literally useless items that make a run next to impossible.
>B-but you can use the D6
You have to play for a while before you get that
>Just restart
Easier to forgive bullshit RNG when it's quick to restart isn't it?
That's what it boils down to. because DD is a commitment people cry more when they aren't steamrolling through the game.

>>377874419
he has the kleptomaniac trait and the colouring in his comic goes from light to dark red. I always assumed his crusading resulted in him basically being a glorified looter, think 4th crusade, or albigensian crusade. or something like that

>>377891383
Similar result perhaps, probably different circumstances though.
The fact that he fights again and again and again drills in more of a fucked up soldier attitude, pillage and looting probably just circumstantial as he finds himself not giving a fuck about anything.
Wheras those Crusades were just a lot of peasants given a one stop banditry shop.

>>377868256
Are you this retarded?

The RNG is 10x in isaac

>>377890327

>because DD is a commitment people cry more when they aren't steamrolling through the game.

I love how people ALWAYS forget the fact that not everyone is a neet with nothing to do except grind on darkest dungeon. A lot of people gave up on it because of that. There's just simply no time for it because it was made to be such a burden to get through, and not because it's specifically hard either.

I'll never understand the way people gloat that grinding is hard. I've read that a lot of people are giving it a second chance now that they've reduced it.

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>>377867350
WHENS THE FUCKING DLC COMING OUT

>>377867350
it was fun until the mid game
then it just turned into a chore of grinding up new heroes to replace the losses

I think they made a lot of changes to lessen the grind since I stopped playing though

What I don't like about Darkest Dungeon is:

>Healer in team
>Everyone is topped off, more supplies, easier time
>No healer in team
>Every fight could be the one where you lose a team member or are so heavily damaged you're forced to quit early, wasting all the money on supplies

There is no fucking balance. You either run a healer and have a good time or you don't and get fucked. More classes need a strong(er) self heal.

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>>377894965
What I don't like about Darkest Dungeon is:

>Frontliner in team
>Everyone is protected by the meatshield, more supplies, easier time
>No frontliner in team
>Every fight could be the one where you lose a team member or are so heavily damaged you're forced to quit early, wasting all the money on supplies

There is no fucking balance. You either run a tank and have a good time or you don't and get fucked. More classes need more health.

>>377895892

A tank and healer are only reserved for boss fights, since the ability to take damage for others at a reduced % with a further % to dodge from natural tank buffs ensure greater victory. Game is faulty as fuck, and I've read around that it needed major patches before it got good.

When you need to grind money, you use throw away members. When you want to clear quests, you take a healer. When you want to beat bosses, you take a healer and tank since all tanks in the game do good damage.

I think you're the one that needs to stop being a prancing homo man and see how faulty the design of the game is. FTL was infinitely a better game over all.

>>377867350
This game felt interesting for first several hours but ended up being hard for hardness sake and grind because grind is fun. right?

Like i remember watching some guy playing it from EA and up to (by then) current version (past recordings), and in the beginning it was pretty fair untill one patch hit and after it he was constantly assraped, took crits all the time (blanket fire crits are fun amirite) and other ass bullshiterry.
And i hate the "it's easier to kill off your mercs instead of trying to heal them beacuse they accuire negative perks really fast" type of game design. And don't tell me "it's okay to lose all your rooster because you will still have your hamlet upgrades lul".

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>>377897085

I'm 18hrs into the game and lost a Leper I had since the first hour cause the mobs wouldn't get off his dick. I almost felt bad or would have felt bad but you learn really fast that heroes are meant to be disposable and that the entire game functions with this in mind. The negative quirks, the huge crits, the fast ramping negativity, the random obstacles at every corridor.

In Fire Emblem or Xcom, when I take bad hits back to back and lose a guy, I save scum, even if I have to redo another two hours of play cause characters in those games are vital. Vital to the team, vital to the story, vital to the upgrades they can use. Darkest Dungeon combined with its copy pasta dungeons and bosses just reeks of repetition for repetition's sake.

It's a fun game with depth, but it gets really, really mundane by hour 15.
6/10 - A fun and interesting diversion with what it offers since there isn't anything like it out there.

How do you guys visualize the game's corridors?
I see like in >>377880196
A really narrow corridor,since your only moving directions are forward and walking backwards without even being able to turn around

>>377894965
>>377895892
>not using camps for healing and dodge,protection buffs thus making a dedicated healer or tank useless
If you know how to scout properly you can focus on your quest's objective and just make your team of DPSs to rush their numbers.
If anything,this is one of the few "hardcore" RPGs that allow you that due to the death's door mechanic

>>377897934


I wouldn't call stacking buffs and hoping the RNG doesn't fuck you anyway "knowing how to scout properly

>Siren for the first time
>brought abomination with me
>Siren charmed him
>he spent whole fight in human form using stress healing ability
Ehehehe.

>>377897632
It's regrettable just how viable spamming bodies in Darkest Dungeon is.

As you describe, similar games with combat RNG often are save-scummed a lot because otherwise you just straight up lose your campaign a lot of the time.

I always felt this was a strength of the original XCOM over the reboot. Characters had far less identity of course, but while developing and equipping them was important, you wouldn't lose the entire game even if mind control hits the right guy and he drops a blaster bomb in the skyranger before anybody even steps foot off the fucking thing.

So in that regard I appreciate that Darkest Dungeon hit a point(and provides a system) in which save scumming isn't missed.
But with the pure identity and design of each character makes me feel like they could've made each character a little bit more important. For the same reason I feel that having duplicates of the same class in missions feels really wrong, despite how strong it can be and how much the tedium of the game can force you to.

Darkest Dungeon nearly does everything perfectly. It falls in that it drags everything out too long and you start to see how bare some of the threads holding everything together are.

>>377897776
That's pretty neat but more suited to your older style dungeon crawlers. The walls in Darkest Dungeon aren't always man made so they would vary in that regard, but eventually what you see falls apart in my mind when I visualize the combat. Two or maybe three times more wide at the minimum, or else ranged units firing from behind would make little sense.

>>377900119
Also games like xcom don't tell you "lol sry wait for week 60 untill your first jester\grave robber\hellion" because rng fucks you even outside of dungeons.

>>377867591
The game is too rng. Even with risk minimization it's too random. Indie shit

>>377900362

because darkest dungeon isn't inspired by xcom\

it's inspired by Kantai Collection

>>377867979
I got it on Ps4 but I really disliked the controls, to the point where I bought the game again for PC just so I could play with a mouse. It's definately manageble and you'll probably get a good hang of it if you give it a chance. It's just painfully obvious that it's a port of a Indie PC game.

>>377878050
There is a mod to remove trinkets downsides in the dd nexus tho

you are a fucking casual if you use it tho