Fire Emblem Echoes

New Celica is cute!

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>its a "Cantor summons hundreds of gargoyles" level

>>377848831
It's disgusting how hard /v/ is defending the shitty gameplay all because it's less anime than Awakening/Fates.

>>377847371
It's fun to imagine Faye suckling Alm's semen out of Celica's ass and trying to impregnate herself with it.

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>>377848424
Very true

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Good husbandos

CAN'T COUNT TOBIN OUT

What does Renown do?

I keep getting it for completing quests

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Is it time?

>>377847371

>PROS
Everything

>CONS
"Muh maps arent all Mr Fuga's Wild Ride!"

/v/ is entirely made up of contrarian cocksuckers

>the summoning skill actually summons decent fighters. Good for closing out gaps, don't die to 1 hit like FE8s
Pleasant surprise desu

>>377850178
WELCOME TO LATE GAME ECHOES

Tell me how i can kill fat guy and get drakoshield.

>>377847371
I want to know why grima was there.

>>377847371

I never did like the faces of these guys. It looks like their eyebrows were cinged off or something. They're unsettling to look at

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>>377847371
I'm really enjoying this game so far.
And I guess since /v/ hates it, it's going to be an instant classic.
Feels good man.

>got a silver bow
>name it Megaton Raid and gave it to my archer tobin
now to name my Gray's brave sword Agneyastra

>>377850672
but /v/ is forcing itself to like it to spite Awakening/Fates.

>>377850808

But I like legit Awakening.

>Kliff leveled up nicely
>Gave him atk buffs
>Gave him a max level Longbow

Jesus christ, The range and Damage i'm outputting is ridiculous.

The dungeon crawling aspect of it is kind of cool.

>>377850808
>>377851010

And I legit love Conquest

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>mfw equiped Draco Sheild to Faye
WEW

>>377851179
>>377851010

NOOOOOO DELET THIS. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. TOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!

>>377849794
I'm a Forsyth to be reckoned with!

>>377851276
I like both Echoes and Fates. Awakening is eh.

How do I get the peddler to come back?

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>Enemy initiates a battle with my army
>Game puts all my vulnerable units right where I don't want them
>Don't even get to readjust positions before battle begins
>Battle starts with enemy turn
>Enemy unit goes right over to my vulnerable unit and fucking one-shots it
>Can't rewind time to save lost unit because I haven't even gotten a chance to move it yet
Oh boy, I sure do love losing units before I even get a fucking chance to move them to safety. This is why I try to deliberately avoid having enemy units walk into me on the world map, and instead try to initiate the fight myself if I get the chance.

>>377851201
>Not Yandere faye postgame superboss
IS pls.

>>377847371
Dungeons are a nice change of pace
Skills associated with the weapons instead of the class and not having to be activated by random chance is better than the current skill system
OST is ace
Plot and characters are better than the previous two games in my opinion

Fuck cantors though

>>377851610
He doesnt come back.
There are a few more peddlers later, though.

>>377851201
How you got the drago shield? What strategy you used to kill the fat guy?

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>>377851643
Faye is pure and my bae

>it's a witch that is also a cantor that summons more witches episode

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I think this was genuinely my favorite exchange in the whole game, VA wise. Mad/mildly upset Lukas and Fernand were pretty good

>>377850178
Genny's Invoke summons shitty soldiers which are basically only good for being meatshields and distracting opponents, but it's balanced by her getting it a LOT earlier.

Silque's Invoke summons Dread Fighters which can actually kill things, but she learns it super late.

Tatiana's Invoke summons Pegasus Knights, although I didn't actually unlock hers in the main story because I had mostly used the other saints and didn't realize that Tatiana got fucking Fortify at level 4.

>>377852026
Dead-inside Soldier turned out to be a cooler guy than I expected

>>377852101
What faye summons? Yanderes?

>>377852026

I knew it would end up like this. I didn't know anything about Gaiden's story and I could see this guy's betrayal from a mile away. He just seemed like the type to turn traitor.

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>>377851201
Is the only choice. Theres no more gods now

>>377852172
I don't think that Faye gets Invoke, she gets Again and a super-early Physic instead.

>>377852275
Silque gets it
and she summons fucking dread fighters

The game is supposed to be shit? It's nearly a 100% improvement over the original Gaiden and the only bad thing about the game is the maps.

What is a better way to grind units?

>Grind out dungeons you've already cleared
>Grind using the Astral Temple DLC
>Grind using the Money/Exp DLCs

>>377852198
FUCK.
Why is Faye so beefy? Even without Dracoshield she's tanking better than Clive and on par with Lukas. If Nosferatu actually hit, she'd be my best unit.

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>>377852198
Now that i think about it. She hasnt gain that much since then

>>377852492
DLCs

how do you get more than one turn(s) for amiibo summons, been using my Roy amiibo and he only stays for one turn. still need an answer about duma helm from alm dungeon from last thread

>nosferatu 60% hit rate
hahahah

>>377852517
She have 40% DEF growth. That's actually on par

>>377852482
Assblasted Conquestfags whining about "muh maps"

>>377851901
I had to grind a little but I used two knights and had Alm maxed out his lightning sword. I also got both my archers to snipers. What you basiclly want to do is highlight Slayde and don't aggro him yet. Pick off as many people has you can and have a cav or peg knight draw Slayde away. As soon as that happens rush everyone in the and take him out. I used the lightning sword art and it killed him in like 4 turns or so. Also try to lure him out of the supply heal circle and have your knight take it and Alm. It took me like 30-40 turns but it's manageable.

>>377852639
It was 50% in the NES version.
60% actually make it very good in Echoes.

>>377852639
promote cleics as soon as you can, they still get their skills, but much earlier than they would as their base class
>>377852689
is conquest the Nocturne of FE?

>>377852517
I was debating between making her a clieric or a pegasus, i went with formee in the end. Looking this, i choose right?

I don't know

I just got this game on Friday and blasted through it on hard mode in a few days. Yesterday I made a new game on Normal for a leisurely file to learn more about the secrets of the game, and I'm at the end of act 3 and suddenly have no desire to touch the game again.

Besides the villagers every other character will always be the same so the replay value is kind of shit. I usually like to make different strategies but since the game is so easy even on hard there's no motivation, shit I looked forward to this game for months but there doesn't seem much to it

>>377852516
Faye is bae, please don't describe her as beefy. She is perfection.

>>377848831
Cantor's are the fucking worse. If they jsut took one extra turn between summonings or summoned less as time went on it wouldn't be so fucknig bad.

>>377852738
>30-40 turns
You are kidding...right?

>>377852793
I chose to make her a Pegasus and her Attack Growth is out of this fucking world, so either Igot lucky or that's part for the course with her, but a high attack cleric can be really useful too.

>>377852793
On my japanese game i went pega and was shit as hell. Tank saint is better

>>377847371
>positives

The fact that it's not conquest means there are none

>>377852769
>conquest the Nocturne of FE?
That doesn't even make sense. FE7 is the real Nocturne.

Does the ingame calendar affects something? It makes me a little nervous the fact actual years can pass while moving in the map.

>>377852956
Desaix's defense at that point is so high that the only way you can win is through chipping 1 health at a time. Also keep in mind that if Slade dies then Desaix also runs away, so its pretty difficult but entirely doable if boring as fuck.

>>377852793
Faye has good attack growth so she'll be a good pegasus knight, but people like making her a saint because having two healers keeps one of them from only being able to heal a certain amount before running out of HP, plus Faye learns Physic extremely early.

>>377847371
I still don't know how people can complain about the move reverse mechanic when its just a streamlining of the process of restarting the game when someone dies anyways. Same thing with how items don't have durability being replaced by the fatigue system. Basically they just streamlined a lot of the more annoying parts of the series so all the old school fans are throwing a fit because something is different but I'm having a great time.

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>>377852879
I made the cantors my bitches on the first swamp map with saber
>>377852996
my faye turned into a tank with basic attack, 15 I think. However, my genny with a healing ring and 20 attack can solo entire maps with Masamune as long as he is in range of her physic
>>377853081
I thought nocturne was known for being consistently hard, same with conquest

>>377852956
the hardest part is setting up your party. Once you are able to bait him out, it's pretty easy.

>>377852193
Well he wasn't in Gaiden. He's a new character.

>>377852879
They usually wont summon if one of their summons is still alive. The way I dealt with the gargoyle asshole on Nuibaba's map was having a sniper use the longbow skill that prevents the enemy from moving. I got a couple extra turns without pests

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I want to play Fire Emblem. Where do I start?

>>377853347
No, FE7 is Nocturne because it's babbies first and the fans think every game should model it despite the later ones improving on it.

>>377853629
>They usually wont summon if one of their summons is still alive.

nigga you cannot be serious, this is false as fuck.

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>>377847371
Why does he look like the science officer from Space battleship yamato?

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>>377853659

>>377853659
FE7 or 8, the GBA ones. 7 is harder, 8 has free grinding. After that, the GC/Wii ones, 9 and 10, are really good. They are their own self contained story The DS ones, 11 and 12, are remakes of 1 and 3 and not very good. The 3DS ones are casual as fuck

>>377853778
Really? Then I've just been getting really lucky with them. Fuck them on the swamp maps though

>>377853629
>give Mae an ambrosia because her defense is shit
>ugh, this tastes like a carcass
I thought ambrosia was supposed to be food of the gods, you'd think it would taste like a Ferrero Rocher with the commercials I used to see for them

After playing this game, kinda sullied the idea that Sacred Stones was "super original" in my eyes.
It's basically Gaiden with easier grind spots and shittier characters.

>>377854081
ignore this the (you), misclicked

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>the dialogue is actually good

hooray

>>377854081
Each food item has a certain taste and each character has taste preferences, although this is poorly explained in-game. Bad combos affect the amount of fatigue thats recovered.

Heres a chart:
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/characters/preferences/

>>377854116
to be fair, the first 15 mintues of Echoes has more dialogue than the entire original game
I remember seeing a summary vid of the plot of the original gaiden, and all I really got out of it was WORLD OF STR
on that note, I remember seeing a screenshot where alm had an art called "Godslayer", can you name the fucking falchion? going to go with Ame-No-Habakiri,
got Megaton Raid to fit on a silver bow earlier

>Forsyth got two res level ups
Fucking hell
Guess i'll give him the magic shield to make him a Forsyth to be reckoned with

>>377854489
That is a passive effect of Falchion, like things that give recovery. I don't think you can rename it though because you can't reinforce it

Conquest is seriously the most overrated game in terms of map design. Radiant Dawn and even Path of Radiance outshine it in pretty much all aspects.

>>377853730
Nocturne at the time of its release had a very solid everything unless you were going for character-focused shenanigans (Digital Devil Saga covered that later)

I certainly don't miss its restrictions/some of the bullshit that gave more press turns to certain bosses, but before SMT IV happened it was pretty much the best SMT around the block by miles
I'm still agitated Persona 5 didn't have fusion search since SMT IV and SMT IV:A came out before it.
I can't vouch about FE equivalents though since I've only played the FE with lyn, awakening and fates ongoing echoes aside. I think I missed out in hindsight; dunno why I never got the titles after the GBA one since I liked it despite sucking some mad shit at it at the time.

>>377854116
>It's basically Gaiden with easier grind spots and shittier characters
Gaiden characters are blank slates dude, I think you mean Echoes. Only the lords have the slightest bit of personality and Mae gets one line of shitting on Boey in OG.

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>>377854596
>tfw Forsyth suddenly starts doubling niggas
Lukas and Valbar were both great for me in Gaiden, but now in Echoes Forsyth is outclassing them both by a landslide.

>>377853659
>>377853990
I'm almost at the end of Fire Emblem GBA
Can't believe I skipped this game so many times. It's one of the best on the system

>>377853990
>>377854031
Alright I have it running on legitimate hardware now. :)

>>377847371
the FUCK do i do in the duma swamp fighting jedah?

he is taking zero fucking damage and its pissing me off

>>377855272
deal more damage

>>377854743
Not really

>>377852492
DLCs are shit right now

the exp one is just junk units that don't flood you with exp like last two FEs

>>377853285
This, call me a casual or whatever but having to restart a level because some asshole got a kill with a 1% crit chance is complete bullshit

>>377855407
shit, that means im too weak or some shit
i can fuck up dragons easy, but that FUCKING SHIELD...

>>377855272
You don't need to fight Jedah in that map. He'll automatically fuck off around turn 6 or so and all the eye fuckers he summons will disappear too. If you want to try you'll get a Dracoshield for your trouble.

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>Saber and Jesse standing side by side, slaughtering skeletons
Brave Swords are fun

>>377854081
Each character has a like and dislike for certain foods.
Fucking loved that in TWEWY.

>>377855272
The first three attacks do nothing. He'll be open to damage on the fourth. Keep in mind that doubling him doesn't count. You have to select attack four times. The process repeats every time you actually hit him.

>>377855518
They're memeing
The fight ends after a few turns

>>377855593
>brave sword at greith's fort

wait a sec

why'd you kill Deen?

>>377855593
dude fuck this map so hard, it takes for fucking ever to get past dem bones.

>>377855418
Okay maybe I'm bullshitting with Path of Radiance, but how is Conquest's map design better than RD? I admit endgame of RD is pretty underwhelming, but Conquest's endgame kind of falls apart in terms of quality too.

>>377854081
I do like ambrosia, but I can see why other people wouldn't like it, it's super fucking sweet.

>>377855518
He has a gimmick where you can only damage him on every 4th attack. The maps ends after a certain amount of turns so you gotta hustle if you wanna get it.

>>377854864
Sorry yea Echoes.
I guess overall the worldmap and grinding dungeon in SS were new to me as a kid and seemed unique among the other FEs

>>377855662
>he didn't want Sonya

>>377855272
He takes damage every fourth attacker. Remember the villager in the Sage's hamlet says he knows a secret about Jedah and says "4... 8... 12...". That is the best hint the game gives about it

>>377855662
He also could've forged a Shadow Sword into one. I can't remember where you get it but I know you can get one before Grieth's Fort.

>>377854685
The Falchion does have one upgrade though.

>>377855739
Tedious maybe, but not hard. I sent in my Baron to keep Grieth occupied, then just sent waves of summoned knights and my own mages in to take care of the rest. Takes like 20 turns but you literally cannot fail. Put some mercs up front as well to push forward and you're done.

>>377855662
Not going to lie.
I like Sonya's redesign

>>377855937
I reforged the shadow sword and Saber had Deen's. Was just them both steadily advancing through skeletons

Fuck the archers on the side paths by the way

>TFW fighting the temptation to promote early

I can't help it, I have to get my units to 20 before promoting.

>>377855662
>not wanting Sonya

pleb tier as fuck my man.

>>377856093
Don't. Archers especially get amazing bonuses you don't want to miss

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>>377853730
Nocturne is mechanically kind of shit compared to most later ones because of those absolutely garbage demon negotiations.

But even Nocturne's trash writing and characters are better than that of the SMT4 games.

>>377856064
yeah but that's the worst part about Cantor's in general, they aren't difficult just tedious as fuck. Except for the oens that summon Gargoyles which are tedious as fuck and actually threatening because they can fuck up your ranged guys.

>>377856093
Its not really worth it to grind to 20. Growths are shit and promoting only raises that units stats to the new units bases, so if you grind and dont even match the new bases, you wasted time.

>>377856247
is it fair to judge a game based on improved mechanics from games that came after it?

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>>377848424
I want to hurt her out of necessity because there's not really any way to avoid breaking her hymen if we want to have a good fuk

>>377856093
Promote at 10 unless it's Alm/Celica or a unit you're planning to use in the postgame. The main game assumes you promote as soon as you can for the quick stat gain (both in terms of the promotion boost and the ease of gaining the initial 10 levels upon class changing), but the postgame generally requires autism-enhanced 20/20 units.

You can get around the latter with Dread Fighters though, just send them through the loop again.

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>>377849794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1im1NYG9ipQ

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>>377852517
Looks like you just got really unlucky, because I don't think mine turned out that hot either
Not that it really matters though, rescue and anew are godlike no matter what unit they're on and her nosferatus are at least strong enough to keep her from risk of death

>>377853000
I actually made her a mage in moon and her defenses were full armor knight-tier even without a dracoshield, but she fell off in postgame due to having only one utility spell and not much else in the way of stats

>>377855745
Conquest endgame is its best part, what are you talking about? Great wall of Takumi, ninja rape hallways, Hans and Iago's funhouse were excellent

>>377856247
>nocturne
>writing
Nocturne has a plot?
And characters?

>>377856657
>can't get the previous roles of the VAs of these characters out of my mind
GET REKT

>>377856629
I got up to post-game dungeon lv9 without late promotions or any grinding, went there right after beating the boss. My party was lv9-12 (last promotion) when I started, when I died on lv9 they were ~12-15

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>>377855745
Conquest's map design stays consistent throughout. The maps are all generally good expect for Endgame on Lunatic. The maps aren't simliar to each other, can't usually apply the same strategies on them, have various primary objectives and secondary objectives, and have different gimmicks to them so it's best to learn the maps layout and use it to your advantage. It helps that the mechanics in Fates are pretty good, like keeping the weapon triangle effective throughout the whole game, or weapon effects. Really everything I said can apply to RD which is why I consider RD and 14C the pinnacle of the series.

>>377849615
Kek. What the fuck...

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You can do this

>>377857096
Alm is probably more broken than Ike thanks to the lack of a weapon triangle

>>377856926
>consistent throughout
>lategame maps are "please don't use fliers to skip the thing instead somehow pull an antiflier team out your ass" and "who likes wind patterns" gues starring "please don't merge in the prep screen and ruin sakura's map"

it got messy near the end. But still good overall

>>377856926
>Got to the last arc in conquest where you take over hiroshido
>Only have 2 units

A made Faye a mage, did I fuck up?

>>377857168
Do you guys think the removal of the weapon triangle was good or bad thing? I really don't see much of a difference either way.

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>>377847371
>it's shit
But it's not

>>377857371
yes but the game's so easy it doesn't matter
you just locked yourself out of some of the cheesiest strats

>>377848831
Just Warp someone over to him and kill him, then they disappear. Aren't there literally only 3 levels like this anyway?

Whose story route should you finish first before the other for Act 4? Or do you play them at the same time?

>>377857064
Well it seems like a thing she'd do if she had the chance.

>>377857382
I like the weapon triangle, particularly in Fates, but I didn't miss it in Echoes. It's for the best in Echoes anyways since Alm's route has way too many lances, Celica's has way too many swords, and there aren't any playable axe users at all.

how the fuck do you hit jedah

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Man my Doot isn't ending nearly as good as she did in my JP runthrough

>>377857632
every 4th attack will go through

>>377857194
>not liking Fuga's Wild Ride
While I agree that's a but unfair. I can cheese almost every game in the series By lowmanning. And Sakura's map on Lunatic doesn't suddenly become easier by pairing up at the start.

>>377857382
It wouldn't work too well in Echoes like >>377857627 said. There would have to be pretty big changes to unit compositions which would probably be considered too drastic for a Gaiden remake.

>>377857558
The game forces you to finish Celica's part of Act 4 before you can finish Alm's. Otherwise Alm gets stuck on the Mountain of Many Dragons until Celica finishes the Duma Tower and you can't control Celica's party again for the rest of the Act.

Is there a limit of how many skills a character can have?

>>377857985
Limited by their weapon

>>377857985
No. However characters won't be able to use skills they learned if they unequipped the weapon.

>>377856182
i wasn't paying attention and fought sonya instead of deen so now i have him instead and overwrote my save. at least i get another brave sword out of it.

>>377854116
>It's basically Gaiden with easier grind spots and shittier characters.

You're joking right? Sacred Stones characters are far and away better than Gaiden and Echoes' characters. Echoes has some of the worst supports in the series.

There's not a single support in Echoes that can compare to Tethys/Gerik

>>377853949
Because they're dead inside.

>>377858375
At that point you might as well turn Atlas into a Mercenary so you can have "Celica and her merry band of Dread Fighters featuring Mae and Boey".

>>377858747
he is but he's kinda sucking compared to everyone else so i don't even really use him.

>>377857216

What the fuck happened?

>>377854419
Now I gotta feed everyone their disliked foods.
>Python, Clair, Delthea and Mycen's lines
>Silque is super passive-aggressive
This is great.

>>377853949
Is 2202 out yet?

>>377857801
I wish I knew this shit sooner
>just got Dracoshield from Duma
probably going to give it to est because I wanted to run a team of mostly women postgame

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I don't know why but I'm really enjoying Echoes, I would go so far as to say its becoming one of my favorate FE's

There's a bunch of problems, some gameplay elements that I've gotten used to are gone but I'm still enjoying it way more than I did Awakening or Fates

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>its a Witch episode

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>>377857658
Same here. Also in nippon game i have an Astra sword. So you can imagine the salt im getting on the burger version

>>377857371
Its her second best class after cleric. If you can give up the rescue and physic utility, she's actually quite good. Great early game, and Sagittae, Seraphim, and Freeze are nice.

I wonder why she's the only girl to learn Sagittae now.

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>>377854907
>Forsynth with Speed Ring
>Fastest unit in my team
>Takes no damage from Dread Fighters and Gargoyles while doubling them
I think I broke the game

>>377848831
I realized cantors' were easy once I realized they don't ever attack, only summon and counterattack

>>377854907
>>377859741
How the fuck have you gotten speed on him, Lukas is at the same level as him and has two times his speed for me

>>377859841
lukas is slow as shit for me, forsythe is a glass cannon without any of the glass and all of the speed

>>377856352
Yes because Soul Hackers came before Nocturne and did negotiations better.

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STOP BEING SHIT SO I CAN USE ALL THE VILLAGERS YOU FUUUCCCKK

>>377860079
just make him a archer, archers only usefull for chipping away at enemies and not killing

>>377860119
except leon who will steal all your kills with crits

>>377860079
>he didn't make him a mage
>or an archer

>>377860119
Already made him a cavalier because I thought I would need one.
I regret everything.

>>377860020
rng feels especially noticable in this game, some players are going to have dogshit fayes and some people are going to have godlike fayes for example

>>377860230
Kliff is your cav, man

>Felicia and Catria have the same voice

Further proves that Treehouse is terrible at voice direction

>>377860294
Nah, he's my mage, considering how we don't get a mage in Alm's route for a while, he's putting a lot of work.
Fast as fuck and actually has defense too, he's basically Mae and Boey in one unit.

>>377860230
most of my mistakes for the villagers updates came from not knowing what i was getting later on. Having two clerics would be super helpful but i made Faye into a mage, who while kicks ass, is lost potential.

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>>377860402
>playing the dub

>>377860410
>Fast as fuck
>Kliff

so did you get lucky or did I get unlucky

>>377860431
female mages promote into priestess which gets access to healing magic right?

>>377860557
The dub is mediocre. The sub is so much more superior.

>>377860636
Dude has 60% growth on speed, he starts off slow because shit base as a villager but he always gets at least +1 speed every level, so I gave fed him a few Speed fountains so it matches his growth.

>>377860636
>60% spd growth

I don't know anon

>>377860696
Yes. All magic classes get access to healing magic eventually.

>>377847371

The best part is it's not actually shit, it's just a meme /v/ has to do cause Fire Emblem is too popular now.

>>377860927
Gaiden has always been shit. A shallow, shiny new coat of paint isn't going to change that. If anything liking Gaiden or Echoes is a meme/being contrarian.

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>>377860749
>he thinks all subs are superior to dubs

>>377860636
You got unlucky.

>>377860079
>>377860192
I made him a mercenary and gave him the Lightning Sword and he's been a pretty good unit

>>377860927

The one thing I could kind of knock it on that some people have is the map design is pretty archaic as you might expect from a largely faithful remake of 25 year old Famicom game with lots of wide open spaces of kind of nothing. It makes the terrain game in this one pretty limited as a factor influencing outcomes. Most of the other stuff is just the usual sort of noise for a release of a popular game that isn't coming at /v/ with pre-installed memes out the ass.

>>377861115
>He lacks reading comprehension

Dragon Ball Z has one of the best dubs in japanese media.

>>377860079
>>377860192
I made mine a Merc and he's turning out better than Gray. Way more Speed and Def/Res and only like a point or 2 less Atk.

>>377861194
Lightning Sword fixes your attack stat to 15 and early game have enemies with zero Res so of course he's gonna do good. It starts falling off mid chapter 3 so you better hope your Tobin has some attack to make up for it.

>>377860079
>don't look up any optimal setups before starting
>make tobin cav, gray merc, kliff archer and faye peg knight
>tobin is fucking garbage, gray and kliff pull their weight and i apparently fucked up bad with faye

>>377859310
I feel very much the same. Something about it feels really nice, between the art, music, villages, and characters, I'm really, really, liking it.

>>377848424

Cute? Nah.

Gorgeous? YES.

>>377850808
>but /v/ is forcing itself to like it to spite Awakening/Fates.

But my love for it comes naturally.

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>Fatigue is pointless with all the food the game throws at you
>Difficulty is laughable
>Replay Value is a joke, especially when compared to previous Fire Emblem games
>Overpriced DLC up the ass insulting the fan bases' intelligence
>Dungeons are linear, boring, and repetitive

I'm giving this game one playthrough and then uninstalling it from my 3DS.

>>377848424
Delthea is cute.
Celica is beautiful.

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Did you save her?

>>377852026

The VA has been on point for this game. Not once have I thought to myself that I wish I had a Japanese audio option. Lukas, with the way he conducts himself, man, I want to grow up to be just like him and I'm only a wee 25 year old.

>>377860927
It's interesting that buzz for this game died for a little while after the jpn version got leaked with a menu translation, because it's just fucking Gaiden with a new coat of paint. Then the dub comes out and all anyone can talk about is how great everything but the gameplay is.

>>377861726
I needed another mage, so yeah

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>>377861726
How could I not?

>>377861726
Alm's army is lacking in mages so yes

How does promotion work with mages and clerics? If I promote too early and there's a spell that character learns a few levels later, do I miss out on the spell?

Silque is level 13. I can stick it out for another 5 levels, but I'd like to know for other units.

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>>377861726
She ended up killing her 3 times before she finally decided not to teleport in on someone that couldn't fight back

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>>377859248
yes. don't think any subs are though

>>377862278
Fuck

>>377862159
She was far too concerned with killing Lukas when I attempted the stage, so Mathilda, Alm, Tobin and Silque rushed ahead and killed the boss without any issues

>>377862112
They still learn the spell. So she'll learn it at level 6 as a Saint.

>>377862159
Oh wow I lucked out then. She slowly walked and I warped alm in to fuck the head mage up with Faye backup

>>377862159
That's weird, she patiently started walking towards my army and started attacking Alm, while Luthier and Clair killed the boss. She didn't teleport once for some reason.

>>377860402
Catria's voice is good though

>>377862689
Same here, although she warped in my JP playthrough.
Thank god for subdue though. Made shit so much easier.

So instead of making the DLC scale with your party or chapters they decided to split it up into the Fledgling Warriors Pack and Daunted Heroes Pack. What a scam.

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Why the hell does a mage have the second highest defense in my army?

>>377862796
that was my point. Felicia was crap while Catria is good. Treehouse did fates' localization but 8-4 did SoV.

>>377860079
Tobin is unironically like my best villager so far. They're all really good, actually.

>>377862978
because she becomes a device of mass destruction once she makes Priestess

>>377861726
Just finished her chapter, playing on hard mode, and it was rather difficult. It's a wonder why Mathilda has so much res and such high stats in general, but I was able to warp her to the boss room and fly there with Clair while Faye healed whoever needed it from way back. aired SIlk and Kliff side by the side on the bridge to not only tank her, but only deal 1 damage in return.

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>people calling it shit when they only played vanilla Gaiden
wew lad

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>>377862993
Felicia was the best Fates voice though. She's moe in English done right.

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POST YFW A TITAN SPAWNS IN ACT 3

>>377863184
Not gonna lie, I really disliked her voice at first, but when I listened to the rest of her lines, her dorkiness grew on me, she's the cutest.
Wish she wasn't shit in Heroes.

>>377863184
WE'VE.

>>377863184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpSgtoSSIgM

Either my Atlas is blessed or he's really underrated.
Dude hits like a fucking truck and even has speed to back it up. I gave him a Silver Sword and now I just throw him at anyone with full HP and they'll get smashed.

Why does Mathilda get no love? She is fucking gorgeous.

Once you learn to auto battle the dungeons stop being so tedious, you just skip turns and they are over in >60 seconds

>>377864064
Fuck off and Clive and go back to licking her feet

>>377855739
I had to use Genny's expel and I'd use the turnwheel if it didn't kill more than 4 at a time. Thankfully it almost always wiped them out

>>377860119
Really? Archers have been getting most of my kills. Kliff and Python take like 80% of enemy health and they have a high crit rate too. I also max upgraded their weapons.
Archer range is also fucking bonkers this time around.

>>377864592
Expel always leaves at least 2 Terrors.

>>377850083
I made one of these before Echoes came out, and I'd like to update it for the classes I didn't have a clear winner in, but I can't decide whether I like Sonya or Doot more.

>>377864958
Expel is random. I've had it completly clear rooms before

>go innadesert
>everyone has 1 move but the actual mages, the archer, and the little shitter I picked up
>room full of 4 range archers
>surrounded by desert
>pair of 5 range snipers too
Fucking hell. My valbar and his 6 gorillion defense can't get into the doorway fast enough to tank the entire room.

>>377860276
my faye is a beast because i made her peg knight
i thought it was stupid until she hit like lvl 5 and started getting 3-4 +1 stat rolls on lvl up

Shit? The game is fucking awesome.

Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia

^From amazon.

Im guessing this is the newest one right.

Can i jump in to this as my first FE game and not have an awful time? Seems kinda neat, i've just never taken the plunge with a FE game before.

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>>377861726
in all three of my playthroughs she immediately warped to somebody who counterattacked and brought her to <5 HP without killing her, so she fucked around and didn't do anything for the rest of the map
the first was in the original Gaiden

I always thought it was on purpose, but I guess I'm just really lucky

>>377866232
It's a good game, but it's a remake of the Zelda 2 of the franchise so it's different than all the others. I'd start with Blazing Sword on the GBA or Path of Radiance on the GameCube.

>>377866232
Echoes is completely different from the rest of the series so I'll have to say no.

>>377866232

It is very different from the rest of the series

If you want to jump in with the series, start with the GBA games or the Gamecube Path of Radiance as they are the best starters

If you want to just enjoy this game, give it a whirl

>>377861630
Just saying, DLC more expensive than the whole game has been a thing since awakening. I don't get why people bitch now.

>>377866232
I'd start with FE7, since the first 1/3 of the game teaches you basically everything you need to know about FE. Once you do that, then you could play Echoes

>>377864064
Too old

>>377866748
Is 7 Fates?

>>377866896
oh ffs, theres three versions of it.

Now I remember why FE was aids to even approach.

>>377866896
>>377866970
Hah! No. FE7 is the one on the GBA just called "Fire Emblem".

Fates is FE14. Avoid it for now.

>>377866970

Blame the Japanese for not localizing until the 7th game

7 is just called Fire Emblem and it's on GBA

>>377867062
christ.

I'll either pick up the newest one, as it looks entirely self contained from what I can tell. Or just wait a while and get my head around the whole series then go from there.

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>in duma tower
>third or fourth floor
> map filled with third and second tier promotes
>also flooded with Balors
>running out of food from clearing fatigue from earlier
what the fuck

Jesus christ, Catria's VA is so bad, she sounds so bored all the time

>>377867381
she's supposed to be melancholy and deadpan though

>>377867440
Even the parts where she's supposed to be happy you can tell she's reading from a script

>>377867381
I thought her voice was hot as fuck
is it bad that I want all three of the flier sisters to either mount my face or triangle attack me with their asses?

>>377867202
It's pretty simple anon, just listen to me.
In Japan, Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light is the first Fire Emblem
Fire Emblem Gaiden is the 2nd Fire Emblem. Echoes: Shadows of Valentia is a remake of this.
But we're gonna jump to Fire Emblem Blazing Blade (just called Fire Emblem here in the West). It's for the gameboy advance, and is often abbreviated to simply be called FE7. That's the game you wanna start with.

Are there any characters to recruit with extremely specific conditions?

>>377867297
>food
you should be able to use the fountain on 2f to clear fatigue

if you're really having trouble just save at the statue in the basement and grind a little
or do stupid shit and waste uses of the turnwheel, then go down and offer alcohol at the statue to fix it
it was never that bad for me but i did save after every boss or two out of paranoia

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I WANT OFF GRIETH'S WILD RIDE

There is a lot of things in this game that I thoroughly enjoy. It suffers from mechanics I like but are connected to things I don't like to see. For example the 1 item equip is something i like, but it cannot work without infinite durability which I do not.

>>377867546
For the most part not letting them get killed allows you to recruit them. I'm assuming you need to keep Tatiana alive for Zeke though.

>>377867718
>actually liking breakable weapons

>>377867763
you do, and it ends up making the map you encounter him on piss easy

>Do all of Celica's route in act 3
>Fuckton of bowknights on Alm's side now

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>my best units alm's side are clair, forsyth and tobin
>my best units celica's side are saber, deen and kamui

im not sure im playing gaiden anymore. all the units that were normally shit or mediocre are carrying me and all the "usually good" units are alright or disappointments
what the fuck is happening

>>377867546
If you mean "recruitments you wouldn't figure out without a guide or being told" they're mostly straightforward and/or obvious

except for Kliff and Faye
if you skip them in the beginning you can pick them up with Celica's party instead later

>>377867804
Not that guy, but Physic being available to me so fucking early with no fucking drawbacks besides, "lose 3 hp" has kind of broken the early game. There has to be some sort of balance.

More importantly, though. Skills being tied to weapons is the GOAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--76tTcsyOU

>>377868036
Watch as the next FE introduces Mana or SP for magic that works like FFT. Actually, a lot of stuff from Gaiden look like they came from FFT,

>>377868172
Gaiden was released for the Nintendo... FFT was released for Playstation.

>>377867998
A lot of characters got buffed. Saber in particular actually has decent offensive growths now, so that he doesn't just get replaced by Valbar.

>>377868036
Healing in this game is super Broken. You can just spam fortify every turn any heal everything. Just keep another healer nearby to heal afterwards. Ends up costing 1 hp for a full party heal. Not to mention Saints passively heal anyone near them.

>>377868172
>came from fft
>1992 vs 1997
Sure did.

>>377852956
Have you played Genealogy? That's nothing.

>>377868064
I don't think I ever heard any of these, where do they play?

>>377868064
Ouch, that Est quote is sad. Her voice actor does a good job; she also did Charlotte and Sakura, and they were great too.

>>377868474
They play at the end of the chapter in the bonus exp screen.

Is there any reason to use Kamui over Saber, or Boey over Mae?

>>377868474
Post-battle report and have a casualty.

>>377868474
Post battle on xp screen if you lose a unit.

Can you only get the Beloved Zofia by forging the gold dagger or will I find one later? I really like the gold dagger and would rather not waste it.

>>377853730
I thought it was the FF 7. What is FF 6 of Fire Emblem then?

>>377868172
>Actually, a lot of stuff from Gaiden look like they came from FFT
>FFT came out in 1997
Shit man, I wish Intelligent Systems could give us the secret to time travel

>>377868562
Ah, well that's why. I only lost one unit ever, Python, and I was right at Fear Mountains or whatever it was called, so I just revived him.

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>>377868291
>>377868429
I didn't say Gaiden got it from FFT, just that those mechanics are familiar to that series while FE goes in a completely different direction now

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>>377867202
Most FE titles are self contained stories, believe it or not. A few here or there connect to other games in the series, but each one's plot (except Radiant Dawn) can be enjoyed separately.

Start with 7 and then pick up another one at random. Could even jump straight to Echoes if you want, just be careful because Echoes is a remake of Gaiden and Gaiden is weird.
Play Sacred Stones sorta early because it's easy as shit
Save the SNES titles for when you git gud
Play Path of Radiance before Radiant Dawn. Radiant Dawn is proto-Conquest- shit story, great gameplay
Ignore the NES titles because they both have been remade now
Awakening isn't terrible, just sorta below average. It has it's moments though, plus waifus if that's your thing.
Fates is okay if you ignore the story and don't buy Revelations
Fates: Birthright is easy and similar to Awakening while Fates: Conquest is similar to older titles and harder, but more fun. Fates: Revelations is a waste of money and braincells. All three have shit story.

I think that's it.

>>377868682
>Actually, a lot of stuff from Gaiden look like they came from FFT,
>came from.

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>>377858375
You can just pry it from his cold dead hands and put it on a real warrior

>>377868695
>save the SNES titles for when you get gud
Mystery and Genealogy are both pretty easy though, especially Mystery

>>377868064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRXOorR-UBc

is the only way to get star shards through the dlc? are any of the dlc worth it at all?

>>377868813
This. Saber with Brave Sword is a murder machine

>>377868854
Cipher DLC is probably the most worth since it gives you new characters with supports and weapons.

Deliverance DLC gives story and also unlocks supports for your characters. Gives some weapons too.

Overclasses aren't feasible to get playing normally, but they're cool.

What's the point of the Devil Axe? Shoud I just sell it?

>>377868941
It's a high risk, high reward weapon, it hits really hard, but it also the potential to kill you.

>>377868821
I had Genealogy and Thracia 776 in mind, actually.

>>377868854
4th tier classes or whatever require level 20 in the last class which means you probably won't reach it

Star shards are nice but use up an item slot, which means your damage/defense suffers

I don't understand why this game has grinding dlc(money I kinda get but exp?)

I guess the character dlc isn't bad.

>>377868941
There's a sidequest that involves, but I don't think the reward is better than just selling it.

>>377869015
I mean in SoV, there's no fucking axe users in this game. The pegasisters should've brought Barst along to help search for Est, I miss that guy.

>>377869015
Devil Axe can't even be equipped by anyone afaik. But just like Shadow Sword it would be worthless, getting your character killed in a game with permadeath is not worth some extra damage, the best use of Shadow Sword is turning it into a Brave Sword.

>>377853659
Start with FE6

>>377869160
Devil Axe is actually great in FE1, Barst has solid luck growths and goddess icons give 7 luck so it's not hard to take the edge off. Plus, he hits like a truck already so it pretty much lets him delete 9 people.

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>>377869304
Don't toy with the little ones so.

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Fucking how? Is it just luck?

>>377869486
He's the best

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>>377869486
Better get off that fucking boat faster, Guts.

>>377852738
>Pick off as many people has you can and have a cav or peg knight draw Slayde away.
on hard mode, slayde aggros with the enemy cavs nearby so good luck getting the shield on the mode that actually matters
just kidding its still easy. needs cleric faye, a merc with maxed lightning sword, and alm to tank tons of enemies by avoiding doubles

>>377869586
does the masked knight become a sigurd tier unit when he takes off the mask?

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Is Saber busted or do I have the best RNG in the world? I don't remember him carrying Celica's route this hard in the original Gaiden

>>377869868
no he got massively buffed
saber is a one man army in echoes

>>377868940
>>377869075
ahhh so the only way to get star shards are through dlc? and dang they take up the held item slot i was hoping they wouldnt but oh well ill prolly only get the cipher dlc when it comes out. is there a money dlc that gives you gold coins? im really tryna upgrade the weapons in the game

>>377869486
Yeah, it's luck. That map took me two tries, I did the same thing twice (celica and saber push out and up the right side while mae and boey pick off dudes from the ship), and on the first try leon died before I got anywhere close, and on the second he came with us to the boss in good health.

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>>377869868
he wasn't this broken in FE2 to my knowledge, but now he's channeling the power of cognition thanks to his va

>>377869857
I don't know, actually, I only just got to Chapter 3 myself.

>>377869934
>>377869978
Seriously this is nuts. He has a rating of 109 at the same level as Valbar who has a rating of just 70. He even has more defense than Valbar. Even Celica only has a 90. I gave him a buffed Blessed sword so he heals himself every turn.

>>377862278
>>377862365
There were some crappy subs released. It's watchable.

What use has the axe you get at the very start of the game? Nobody can equip it.

>>377870101
I'm at the end of act 4 and he is still shit, just felt like making a shitty BIG GUY joke
>>377870174
>109
try four or five points above Jedah, that's how busted mine ended up being

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>>377868064
>they put these in the game
>with Mila's Turnwheel
I mean these are a really cool but chilling touch, but how is anybody expected to ever hear them?

the FUCK do those dlc shards do?
i equip them and they aren't weapons
they don't influence stats and don't do anything on level up

so what?
was the money a complete waste?

What are the best weapons to evolve through the forge? I got the Rhomphaia and it's crazy.

>>377869857
He joins late, but he's pretty good. More of a gotoh really. Better gotoh than nomah for sure.

>>377870309
Oh I'm sure he'll get there. I just started act 3.

>>377870319
They affect growth rates
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/weapons/items/

>>377869486
Yup. I had to rush out and put everyone in danger to save his sorry ass. Enemy missed one attack and that made the difference.

So I just started, got to the second dungeon, and my characters have thus far averaged two stat ups a level. Am I just getting fucked by the RNG, or are growth rates really this low?

>>377869957
Yes there is. There's two levels. I haven't tried either so I don't know if they're good or not.

>>377867381
Makes sense, she was NTR, of course she must sound bitter and depressed.

>>377870174
Saber is OP as shit. He comes with ridiculously high base stats and extremely good defensive growths in HP/DEF. His offensive stat growths are lacking but it doesn't matter when his bases are so fucking high. Saber is a prime example of why Dread Fighters leave generals (lukas/Valbar) in the dust. He's as tanky as a general except he also has ridiculously good offense (esp with Brave sword), is resistant to magic, and has 7 fucking move.

>>377869868
My Level 10 Saber is either tied with yours or behind in all stats except Skill and Luck.
Either way, he's just really strong in Echoes.

>>377869978
He actually sucked in FE2. He was important early-game due to his bulk, but he becomes outclassed once you get Valbar and Kamui. Valbar was tankier and hit harder than Saber, while Kamui was a better Merc.
Then he becomes bench-juice once you get Jesse, who has really high bases for his level, plus high growths. The best comparison I can make with Jesse is that he's basically HM Zeiss but without a Wyvern.
Also, if you recruit him, Deen makes Saber even more irrelevant.

I was looking forward to this game but I don't know if I should play it yet because I kind of burned myself out on Heroes.

>>377853659
FE7, then you can go FE6 for story-continuation or skip to FE8 for another story.

Then, do the DS/3DS if you have the possibility if not, do the Ike's ones(Gamecube).

Afther all of that, you can play the BEST fire emblem ever, FE4 aka Genealogy of the holy war.

>>377870313
You still hear them if you play on casual mode.

>>377870547
They're just low.

>>377870627
Why is every member of the white wings so fucked when it comes to love?
>catria will never have her mar mar
>Palla loves abel, who is married to est
>est is married to Abel but would rather be in a jail cell instead and constantly runs away

Having a shitload of villagers in alms party. the freedom was paralyzing at first but it was still cool as shit

>>377870738
>I kind of burned myself out on Heroes.
there's an actual game behind it? I thought it was just gashapon shit
though to be fair, the money it draws in is probably what warranted SoV being fully voiced, I'm looking forward to the next main series game if this keeps up
>>377870852
I was confused as fuck by all the HOW AM I GOING TO GO ON because I play on casual for my first playthrough, would rather save the frustration of constant resets/turnwheels for future playthroughs
>>377870981
>would rather be in a jail cell
she might just be into weird shit I'd rather be the bottom though

>>377870981
Dunno about the last two, but catria's case is IS fetish. The bastards love to introduce girls that get NTR, catria was the first one, but the most famous is Cordelia. And we have Faye.

>>377870852
The point is, you can just undo any death at all with Mila's Turnwheel. When are you ever going to hear these?

>>377870981
Kaga's tragedy fetish

Is possible to use the turnwheel to fix a crappy level up? Or is set up in stone unless i reset?

>>377871298
For people who don't use the turnwheel? Iron-manning is still a thing believe it or not.

>>377871380
It seems to me that level ups are decided once a battle starts

>>377871298
challenge runs that don't use Mila's Turnwheel?

It plays on Casual too, so there could be people just too lazy to bother right near the end.

Don't forget there are fountains of resurrection in this game, too.

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>>377868813
This could be your future

>>377871243
I have no clue why they added Faye. She literally only talks about Alm. I swear to god if they remake FE6 and end up making a girl obsessed with Roy that can't get with him I'll flip a table. Especially since he already has two and he can at least dick them.

>>377871380
You can rewind after the level and it will be new stats if you level up in a different fight, otherwise you will get the same growth for the rest of the stage

>>377869958
>>377870513
Yeah, that's what I figured. Gonna grind a bit since I'm getting stressed out and the fact that I funneled all of the exp to Celica for Seraphim, so everyone's like Lv2

>>377847371
So this is the real SMTxFE, right?

>Celica died in the middle of Duma Tower
i died on that level with the dracozombies to the right, bow knights on the left, and skellies in the middle. how close was I?