Dark Souls

>>377820114
Everyone beats Gwyn by parrying him which is probably easier.

>>377820114
Whatever approach you take to do anything, someone will call you out as being lame.

So long as you had fun, thats enough. Fuck /v/.

>>377820114
Just bought this. When do the boss fights get good? I'm trying to beat the Capra demon at the moment

>>377821349
Provided you go down to the depths next - that is when stuff gets properly good imo.

>>377820225
i used combustion

>>377821349
Never. There's 1 good boss in the game and 1 more in the DLC.

>>377822207
contrarian please leave.

>>377820114
>I beat Lord Gwyn by using one of the rocks on the ground as cover, and I constantly made sure the rock was between me and Gwyn so he couldn't rush me down, and I kept hitting him with only my Claymore R2 attack. Is that a super lame tactic?

The alternative is to stand there and hit the parry button.

Has anyone tried playing Dark Souls using a Switch Pro controller and if so does it work? I've had the game sitting in my backlog for a while now and would like to play it with the pro controller if possible.

>>377822238
You know it's true.

You got memed Capra Demon dude. Soulsborne is shit.

>>377820114
The game that made me hate hydras. Why is the last head so fucking retarded?

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>he didn't fight Gwyn without using cheap AI exploits or parry spamming

>>377822207
2bh i can't think of any bosses that were good in the entire series except for like 2
Slave Knight Gael and Orphan of Kos

>>377822538
It's running off of 1/8 brain power.

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>>377820225
i just summoned solaire

>>377822420
I played through all 3 with the Wii u pro controller. It was pretty comfy.

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1 Dark Hand
1 Titanite Chunk

>>377823216
Nice, did you have any issues with keybinding/compatibility?

I have got my switch pro controller set up on steam and it mostly works but I have issues with some games still.

>>377822968
I feel like i need to replay das1 and have solaire in there for gwyn - i've never summoned him for the fight.

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>>377821349
Assuming you’re doing it in the standard order (Taurus/Gargoyles/Capra), then the next boss is quite a spectacle. Not super hard if you understand how to dodge, but lots of fun.

There’s between 3 and 6 god-tier bosses in the base game (depending on most people’s preferences), and 3 in the DLC.

But don’t worry too much about them. Just enjoy the adventure. Most of the fun of the game is in exploring new areas and learning about the world.

>>377823475
i think the most problem i had was ornstein and smoug because you have to escort solaire to the boss, i beat gwyn in my first try

>>377820114
You enjoyed des more because it has the best atmosphere is souls series

>>377823772
You don't need to summon him at all to get him to the boss fight, you just need to talk to Quelaag's sister, join her covenant and give her 30 humanity. This opens a shortcut into Lost Izalith where you can kill the bug with the sunlight maggot early, which saves Solaire's sanity (you must do this before going to Izalith the regular way). Then his summon sign appears between the second sword Black Knight and the axe Black Knight, assuming you've talked to him at all encounters.

>>377823772
I always did O&S solo desu.

Why not just clear the area then bring in solaire once the mobs are dead - easy solution to having him full hp. Its only an archer and two gaint knights iirc?

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>>377824061
i love souls games
i never said i was good at them

>>377824291
Just roll bro. Or get some armour + greatshield and poisetank everything.

I haven't played a Souls game before and DS2 is currently on sale. Is it okay to start with that one?

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>>377824403
>>377824045
thanks for the tips anons, i have been wanting to do a new run on the game for a while now

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>>377822621
B-But Gwyn is too fast...

>>377824540
DS2 is the worst game of a meme series.

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>>377822621
Was honestly the most brutal fight without parries, cheese or terrain exploits
He punishes estus chugs worse than Artorias

>>377824291
You dont have to be that good for O&S, just position right, and you can kill S in a couple bars of stamina - I remember in one run my zwei r2 staggered him so he just literally couldnt hit me. Just had to keep an eye on O then r2 S into the ground. Then deal with mega-O.

>>377824540
If its Sotfs then yeah. I played it after 1 and whilst it doesnt have the same charm, and has some real differences it is still a very good game. Just not AS good as 1.

I really think 1 on pc with DSFix shouls be peoples first souls game, then move on as you see fit. Sotfs isn't a terrible first choice - just unconventional.

>>377824540
Yes as long as you get SotFS and not the original version

>>377822621

You can also put on heavy armor with fire resist and tank everything. He will almost never stagger you.

>>377824829
>>377824870
It is. Thanks guys.

>>377822118
I used pure GIANT DAD skill

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>>377820114
>What do you think of the first Dark Souls?

That From Software shouldn't have abandoned King's Field in favor of producing abortive spiritual successors like Souls. If I'm not mistaken, KF's director had nothing to do with these projects, so that probably explains why they fail to hold a candle to KF in the first place.

I'm not really sure what it is about DS in particular that appeals to the current generation of gamers. The setting is a weird amalgamation of things stolen from King's Field, interspersed with some original concepts that feel awkward and out-of-place sitting right next to themes and characters that were, again, shamelessly lifted from KF. The in-game dialogue is some bizarre faux Shakespearean nonsense that just plain sucks, and the accompanying lore is on par with fanfiction.

I think the game is probably more of a social phenomenon than anything else, kind of like Rocky Horror. Rocky Horror sucks, but its millions of cult followers will unquestionably continue to shower the film with undue praise regardless.

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>>377825001
mah absolute nigga

>>377824961
Have fun, and whilst its horrible to have to tell you this right off the bat - its something you need to know to enjoy the game.

ADP - adaptability, is the primary way of raising agility. Agility affects the iframes of your roll and the speed at which you use consumables (estus etc). You want to get your agility to probably 96 to have a reasonable roll and estus speed - otherwise shit will punish you real hard whenever you try to drink estus.

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/agility

>>377825147
Here we have the hipster, the guy that praises KF and shits on DS. Claiming it had a overall better story and atmosphere when it doesn't.

>>377825245
You can play without leveling ADP. One alternative is to put points into VIT and carry heavier armour and a nice big shield. You can also git gud and learn to roll with less i-frames. It's certainly possible.

>>377825245
Just check the chart for the breakpoint, figure out if your roll seems safe enough with whatever points you have when playing. Up it if not.

You can also respec in the game (a limited number of times) so dont worry too much about messing up your build. DaS2 is probably the best in the series for cool features like bonfire ascetics / respecs / champion of heroes / shrine of winter. It does a lot of different and neat stuff that the others are sorely lacking - not to even get started on the best NG+ in any soulsgame.

>>377825525
Yeah - but for someone in their very first souls game, and the mobs of enemies sotfs can throw at you - better he knows about his options up front. If he gets gud and goes without agi then so be it - he has the option and knowledge to do so.

Its something that isnt explained well anywhere ingame.

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>>377825147
>That From Software shouldn't have abandoned King's Field in favor of producing abortive spiritual successors like Souls. If I'm not mistaken, KF's director had nothing to do with these projects, so that probably explains why they fail to hold a candle to KF in the first place.
King's Field was only just used as an ispiration for Demon's Souls
From Miyazaki and wikipedia:
>"King's Field was the game that sparked the idea for the Demon's Souls project, but we didn’t base it completely off of that game."
>making it a separate entity from King's Field, with a different perspective and "guided by differing core game design concepts." He does not consider it a "successor" to King's Field, stating that, while "King's Field was the beginning of the Demon's Souls project, I wouldn't go as far as to say that we had King's Field in mind while we were making Demon's Souls".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon%27s_Souls#Development

>>377825641
>Its something that isnt explained well anywhere ingame.
which is par for the course for ds games

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>>377825147
You seem to have posted the wrong image sir.

>>377825801
True - I dont think any other unexplained mechanic is as likely to get you as fucked up / killed and infuriated as now knowing you can control you roll though.

>>377824771

I unironically struggled quite a bit killing Gwyn with no parries/SL1.

Weird, i cant remeber how i beat gwyn first time. I think i blocked him with havel shield and hit whenever i could. Second time i went with solaire and raped him, poor gwyn barely could get out of the floor. Third time i kept my distance to bait him into jump attack since i could dodge that pretty fine. Havent tried parry
With my pyromage i just kept distance and crystal magic his ass

>>377825943
i remember blocking him with black knight shield and slaying him with quellag fury sword

every other kill after first as been cheese city with moveswap bkgs or combustion

>>377820114
Gywn is a total pushover for lore reasons. Gameplay-wise he was a total letdown.

>>377822968
On your first playthrough? Doubt that you gave that spiderbitch 30 humanity the first time.

>more fun with demon souls
That's the appropriate feeling and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Most of the Soulsfags here played Dark Souls first and think DeS aged too much which it didn't at all and is in fact superior, though both are incredible games.

>>377824291
>B, B, B, B, B, B, B, R1, R1, R1, R1, R1, R1, R1,
>profit?

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>>377826272
when i hear my nigga solaire died i grindded those rats for over 2 hours while listening to music just to save him
110% worth it

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>>377826520
fug this is why i should spell check

>>377820225
combustions stunlocks him until he's dead and you don't even need to invest any skill points for pyromancy so it's available for every single character

it doesn't get easier than that

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Why does the Chosen Undead orgasm when they die?

>>377826520
>grindind rats
I used the toxic mist glitch. Granted it failed me on my third run and had to mercy him

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>comfy dark souls 1 thread
why can't we have more of these?

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Be honest.
How many of you killed Priscilla/Solaire/Gwyndolin?

>>377826945
He's thinking of the firekeepers feet

>>377827584
Solaire and Gwyn.

I didn't go inside the painted world.

>>377827584
I killed priscilla for her fluffy tail dagger.

I generally let her live otherwise.

>>377820114
At least you didn't act like you just happened to figure out you can parry Gwyn

>>377825435
Dumb meme poster
>>377825793
Strawman, or you're genuinely this retarded
>>377825803
Dumb meme poster

Stay classy, Soulsfags

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>>377827584
Killed all 3.
Darkmoon was a useless covenant, I didn't know how to save solaire at the time, and Priscilla's dagger was the best for killing turtling faggots in darkroot keep

I prefer Dark Souls' theme and vibe more but Demons Souls was also amazing. The whole of Latria's tower was one of the highest points of the Souls series for me. Incredibly oppresive and dark atmosphere.

>>377827584
Priscilla and gwyndolin on NG+, solaire in NG++ because i couldnt save him

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>>377827584
Priscilla i had to to get the weapon for the achievment
and Gwyndolin because '''''''''he'''''''' is a bitch

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Reminder that Patches did nothing wrong.

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>>377827425
i know right

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>Get to Lost Izalith
>Capra Demons and taurus demons are regular enemies

Alright, I jus got out the shower and im surprised this lowkey minimal shitposting DAS thread is still alive.

Post one of the least appreicated pieces of music in your opinions from DaS1 - DaS1 only. No DeS / sotfs / 3 / BB etc. DaS1 only>

Imma go with iron golem. You dont see many people give love for it - but you cant deny it gets pretty hype and then epic around 0:24 onwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqdwkt3gDU

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>>377829181
At least it gives you a good chance to get a few of the Demon weapons.

>>377820114
i really enjoyed dark souls and demons' souls, can anyone recommend me other good metroidvanias?

>>377829513
I havent played it myself, but heard (and seen) very good things about Hollow Knight.

>>377828756
he is your dearest friend, that he is

>>377829513
bloodborne don't let contrarians trick you it's good

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>>377828756
dat filename

>>377829352
My favorites are daughter of chaos and Gwyn, but honorable mention for seth due to that happy tune at 0:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k95b29ip4HU

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>>377828756
Well, not in my games he didn't, since I've killed him on sight every time after the first.
Pushing that little gypsy's shit in in DS3 was one of the few good parts of that game.

>>377829352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh53Jn7L4iE
Seeing those tits and hearing this glorious piece made me actually feel like I had accomplished something

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>>377829181
>goes down tower in undead burg and fight havel at low lvl

>>377829864
haha, I dont think i've ever really taken that in.

Like a child going up a scale on a xylophone.

>>377829935
I've still never killed her / the illusion to this day.

Happier having never done so. Lame af i know, but whatever.

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>>377829874

>>377829935
1:36 gives me chills everytime , it is simply so god damn glorioussssss

>>377820114
An autistic game filled with edgelords that cant stand having thier game criticized despite be a boring roll roll attack reprogram you computer because the controller stopped working-fest.

>>377830167
I can't bring myself to killing her either

>>377829513
The castlevania gba games
Hollow Knight
The hyper metroid romhack
That metroid 2 remake is also solid, same with Axiom Verge

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>>377830285
and now the tread is ruined

>>377820225
First time I faced him I was using a pure magic build, so I just waited for him to do his laggy grab and fired a Soul Spear in his face, rinse and repeat until dead.

>>377821349
>Capra Demon
You're facing the second worst boss in the game right now, then. It gets far better from there, especially after you ring the two bells, and then drops off during the end game, until you get to the final area.

>>377820114
Everytime I replay the game and I enter the lower undead burg/depths I feel a sense of dread, the tight spaces, the alley ways, everything wants to kill you, that capra demon boss room, good heavens

>>377830613
I swear, DS1 had some pretty dodgy enemy placement, what with the Capra Demon boss and the Titanite Demon in the Catacombs, not to mention the entirety of the Tomb of the Giants being one massive middle finger to the player.

>>377827584
Killing Priscilla or Solaire makes you a piece of shit. Gwyndolin deserves to be killed though, also fuck dorkmoons.

>>377822207
>>377823675
I don't get this "DLC is god tier" meme. The Sanctuary Guardian is boring, Artorias is boring and arduous, and I just kind of got bored after that and never completed the other two bosses.

>>377827584
>cut off tail
>homeward boner out

I can't do it. I don't want to kill her.

>>377827584
First run? Failed Solaire's quest and had to kill him, let Priscilla and Gwyndolin live.
Since then, the only one that I haven't murdered in cold blood is fluffy tail.

>>377830167
>>377830375
You can rack up a SHIT TON of souls from Silver Knights and the sentinels from Anor Londo

You have to kill Priscilla to get the cheevo. How can you not get the cheevo?

>>377831137
My farming spot postgame is the two giants before O&S, the archer then the two smaller giant outside the cathedral. Then homeward miracle back to gwyn, jump off the ledge and go again. With mimic hat and rings its the most efficient souls per minute I found.

(When 1 shotting everything with manus catalyst and dark bead shotgun kek).

>>377830949
DS1 is really janky in general with a lot of stuff.
I want to dislike the game, but I can't hate a game that cuts all that fat that usually makes games of this genre hard to play. Seriously fuck having to complete arbitrary side quests because people tell you to do so. All games should handle quests like the Souls games do.

The game doesn't have much replayability

Weapons aren't all unique and interesting like in Bloodborne, there are dozens of swords, axes, spears and all that are functionally the same. Which means that one of them is bound to just be objectively superior to the others.

You can smith them into fire, chaos, occult, divine, lighting, raw, enchanted, magic, crystal. Fuck? Why is that needed? It changes nothing in their playstyle. It's not a deep system at all.

Miracles are mostly just healing, as if they're extra estus flasks, not really interesting. Sorceries are 20 variations of soul arrow, some homing spells which are functionally the same, and that one crystal breath which is the only truly unique one.

The game is mostly linear, there aren't as many optional areas as there should be. I hear a lot of "there are a whole 7 different bosses that you can fight first after the Asylum Demon!", sure, but 99% of people will just fight the Taurus Demon. You need the Master Key to actually make the game non-linear, and even then, you'll need to actually have knowledge of the game to make use of the key. The game leads you towards a certain path, no new player is actually going to kill Pinwheel before the Taurus Demon.

>>377830960
DLC content for souls games usually is 1 or 2 good bosses, so everyone considers it "godlike" despite it being shitty overall

Kalameet and Manus are good bosses, so people say AoTA is GODLIKE
Allone and BiK are good bosses, so people say the DS2 DLC is GODLIKE
Ludwig and Laurence are good bosses, so people keel felatting TOH
Noone really says AoA is good
Gael is a good boss so people say TRC is great

Beat Dark Souls and started up Dark Souls 2 SoFS and I'm just flabbergasted at the changes, such as the adp stat, separating the end and vgr stats and the whole enemies will stop respawning if you kill them too much. Slowly getting used to the shit, but damn if it isn't jarring right off the bat. Just beat the covetous demon half an hour ago.

>>377831917
Its a pretty radical change if you jump right into sotfs from 1. Once you get over the big changes though, provided you dont hate it on principal - its really pretty decent.

>>377831917
It gets slightly less bad once you realise that you probably end up with twice the SL as in DS1 due to the game handing out souls like candy.
Like, there are two "Soul of a Greath Hero" consumables in 1 and almost a dozen in 2.

>>377824742
Nah fuck off.

>>377831917
>slowly getting used to it
>already done a zone 10+ times to despawn fodder

>>377831917
>enemies will stop respawning if you kill them too much
I forgot this was a thing. I've been playing SoFS 50 hours and I haven't seen that happen yet.

>>377832381
>It gets slightly less bad once you realise that you probably end up with twice the SL as in DS1 due to the game handing out souls like candy.
I mean that's not really an issue if the game is balanced around you being at that level. And you kind of need the higher SL since, if you aren't running a casting heavy build, you have to invest a fair bit into ADP to have a not shit roll.

>>377825147

> gamers

Kys

>>377831917
ADP was a trial thing, a lot of action games let the player buff their iframes via stats or equipment (see Monster Hunter) but to balance that out the default iframes shouldn't be grossly overpowered (like you'll see when you play DS3). The idea was the player gets stronger with levels, a lot of people didn't like it because they felt they were punished for having to put in points into a stat to offset their own shortcomings. Everything in the game is 100% dodgeable with base adp except for chariots charge

Default is the equivalent if DS1 Fat roll
96 agi is equivalent of DS1 med roll
105 agi is equivalent of DS1 fast roll
115 agi is equivalent of DS1 DWGR

Since leveling is extremely cheap in Dark Souls 2, it's not too uncommon to see players just pump 20 into ADP and then focus on their build.

I'd agree that it shouldn't have been a thing in the first place, but the devs wanted the game to a be a bit more hard/challenging and giving the player the option to "master roll timings" or pad a stat so it's all intentional design, albeit a bad one.
Not really a game ruiner in my eyes.

END/VGR separation is a thing in DS2, DS3, and I'd argue BB since BB they removed equip load entirely. It was to balance having more endurance or being able to equip more rather than having them the same stat. It was a smart balance decision, or else everyone would be wearing havels/giants again.

Also Company of Champions fixes the spawning shit.

>>377831917
Wait, those are all changes? I only played SoFS. How was ADP changed?

>>377832870
He means from DS1 -> SotFS, not DS2 -> SotFS

>>377833040
Ah. Yeah, I could see those being weird then.

>>377832693
It wont happen through ordinary play unless you're absolutely awful, or farming for something like sunlight medals.

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>>377832381
You even find the extra souls ring fairly early on too.
>>377832554
In my defense I like the way the Hiede Knight armor set looks and wanted to get it. Only managed to get the leggings before I found out about the enemy extinction bs.
>>377832843
I don't like the whole END/VGR situation because of the ADP stat. I can deal with choosing between choosing between more stamina and more weight load since I'm wearing light clothing using the wanderer set minus the helm or having a shitty roll, but when I'm going to have a shitty roll even though I'm wearing something light I end up pumping points into both END and VGR in an attempt to get a better roll. Don't know if what I typed even makes sense, it does in my head, but fuck knows. I'm doing alright I think. Also there's a lot of fucking upgrade stones in this too. Goddamn bleeding rock upgrades had me thinking I'd read the loot pick up window wrong. Maybe I'll go back to Dark Souls and try a heavy poise build after the first clear on Sins of the First Scholar. Are there any consequences for leaving the Company of Champions or is it permanent once you join? I like dropping summon signs by bosses and helping for souls

What the fuck is the gravelord covenant about? You can send phantoms to other players and they will have to invade you... huh?!

>>377832843
Honeslty, whilst learning about ADP / Agility is a bit aids the first time. When you're replaying the game, its a great feature having control of your rolls for your builds.

>>377830960
Artorias is awesome, sadly the backtrack in case of death drag it downs. The sactuary guardian can be boring but at least you spawn pretty close to the fog gate

>>377834421
You make the worlds of others harder, and they can invade using summon signs to kill you.

>>377820114
Not the manliest tactic, but u take what you can get in those games

>>377834374
You can dip into the company of champs at your leisure. Just go visit shalquoir (the cat) and she'll take you out with no penalty. Rejoin whenever you want with no penalty too.

>>377820114
How do you make a MLGS build? I'm going through the run with a BKH because I wanted to rush to Duke's. How much INT should I have by then, I have 24 right now at Sen's.

>>377834421
Gravelording is amazing, but was nigh on never seen. Spawns red phantoms in other peoples worlds.

DS2 has it baked into the NG+ which is sweet.

>>377834635
Why is Shalquoir so lovably sassy?

>>377834374
betrayal penalty for covenants doesn't exist in any game after ds1
no consequences for leaving,

>>377834374
Pretty sure you don't get the other Heide Knight gear without increasing the bonfire intensity, through ascetics, or NG+

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>>377834735
The covenant was literally to smart.

>>377834421
You make their worlds more difficult and then bait them into invading you, giving you the advantage.

Great concept but the execution was a bit flawed.

>>377834726
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/moonlight-greatsword

16 str
10 dex
28 int

worth gettin the ring that lowers the durability when using the projectile too, that attack can be pretty fun.

>>377834772
shes great, seeing as 3 is a greatest hits of DaS, I wish she was in there (im just at aldritch mind - so may not have met her, ive never seen any mention of her on /v/ tho so i assume she didnt make it).

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I like it that it treats the player like it isn't brain dead :^)

>>377834635
>>377834812
Nice. Maybe now I can finish getting the rest of the set.
>>377834772
I fucking love her voice combined with the sass.
>>377834827
Or maybe not. I'll have to give it a go and see what happens. Worst case I get souls to pump into ADP.

>>377820114
Unlocking fast travel fucking killed it for me. I hated running through the entire map again and again until Anor Londo, fuck people who think it's a good idea to make you run for ages to get back to places.

Speaking of covenant is there any off-line perk for DaS2 covenants?. Like skipping izalith with Daughters and making the forest phatoms passive with Hunters. The closest i found was going into the dark chasm of old but im not using hexes so i its seems kind of useless.

>>377825245
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>>377825537
>>377825641
Just get Agility to 96 and you're fine, that gives you 11 iframes, you can go higher if you want more iframes but its not really necessary.

If you're going to use magic raising attunement will also raise agility.
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Agility

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>in NG+ now
>still need to learn all gestures
>still need to inherit Bernhart's equipment
>still need to learn all hexes/sorceries/pyromancies/miracles
>there are still 7 hidden achievements after that

>>377834735
Might want to try the gravelord thing on my current char. It only affected players on NG+?

>>377835083
Im fairly certain you can get all pieces without ascetics if using champs.

It was NG2 in vanilla ds2, ng in softs.

There is a different helm for heide knights tho, a pointy one down in the gutter. That one might be in a ng+ cycle, i dont remember.

>>377835169
Blue Sentinels and Brotherhood of Blood let you enter pvp arenas.

>>377835454
Took me 110 hours to get all achis on the sotfs steam version.

Enjoy getting into Drangleic castle with the extra red phantom and increased number of spawned soilders :)

Shit gets rough. Also on NG++ (going to wellager), the mastodon knights one shot me with 40 end with their tusk attack thing. Ouch.

>>377835454
If you're gonna blitz through shrine of winter via soul memory, get yourself an ice rapier from eleum loyce, infuse it with lightning, and get a dex / faith build for farming the rotten (with sacred oath). You will blitz through the 2mil / 3mil soul memory required to open the shrine of winter and zerg your way to drangleic.

>>377820114
Gwyn is probably one of the hardest bosses in the game if you don't cheese him. Probably the only fight I was forced to fast roll in because med roll is literally too slow to evade all his attacks. If Gwyn was fought in an arena akin to Artorias, it would be fucking ridiculously hard.

>>377835473
It'll only spawn black phantoms for players on NG+, but NG players can still see your summon sign and invade you. Honestly it would be a great fucking covenant if anyone still played NG+.

>>377835501
I'm going without helm because I really like the bright red hair color for my character. I see him being some sort of Scottish character swinging the greatsword around while constantly belittling enemies whilst cutting through them.