anyone else found the finale lame as fuck? the last case just

My unpopular opinion: I found it much less enjoyable than DD in general. Especially all the magic bullshit in the courtroom. I can tolerate it when you use it just during investigations, but this time it was over the line.
But with the finale of the game I hope Apollo has been written out of the story forever.

>>377785870
DD > SoJ

5-1: Solid
5-2: Bad
5-3 (DLC): Great
5-4: Good
5-5 + 5-6: Great

6-1: Solid
6-2: Great
6-3: Good
6-4: Bad
6-5: Great
6-DLC: Mediocre

>>377786108
I forgot to post the rest of my reasoning

The overall plot in DD is kind of dumb, with the MUH DARK AGE OF THE LAW shit, but it actually remained self-contained with it. SoJ went full retard with the international flights back and forth, and it just really felt like too grand of a scale. 6-2 was the best case because it was just magic show bullshit with a fun mystery.

Add on to this that Sahdmadhi is a horrible no fun allowed prosecutor unlike Blackquill and that Ema was completely character assassinated, and SoJ is just not quite as good.

>>377786351
6-2 was great because it's one of the very few (2?) cases where the perpetrator wasn't actually on the scene the moment the crime occurred.

>>377786508
Reus was a fucking retard, though

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>>377788438
The reveal was pretty great though.

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>>377788438
>>377788587
>be rich and famous, way more than the Gramaryes by that point
>throw it all away for muh petty revenge
Massive fucking idiot.

I think the last case was supposed to be a homage to previous cases or something
I didn't like it much myself either though

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Will it ever be surpassed?

>>377788786
Nah. AA is past its prime.

>>377786108
>6-4
>bad
FILTHY GAIJIN HOW DARE YOU NOT APPRECIATE THE GRORIOUS TRADITION OF RAKUGO

>>377789038
It wasn't even that it was about clearly Japanese content, it was that you were thrown into a case you had no reason to give two fucks about since there was no investigation and really no context at all combined with the person who was obviously a guilty party from the beginning and the complete misuse of DID for the sake of the case progression. Blackquill was the only good part.

>>377785710
anime?

>>377789150
how was Geiru obviously guilty? I thought Uendo was guilty as fuck

>>377789683
>person introduced near the start of the case who seems totally inconsequential but is clearly designed in such a way that their outfit or general look could totally self-destruct or invert
>not guilty

AA does this every time and barely ever subverts it

>>377788786
it gets surpassed every time any AA game gets released.

>>377785710
Final boss had trash-tier design and breakdown but the twist with Dhurke was one of my favorite moments in the series

>>377789038
It could've been good if it was a more fleshed out case. It was tutorial case tier levels of simple though.

>>377789907
I was getting pretty tired of all the spirit channeling and Apollo backstory shenanigans but it didn't change how much impact that twist had. It was stunning.

Also I want to see the Divination Seance show up again, that's one gimmick that was actually exciting to use.

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>>377788786

I would love to see them do an Investigations 3 that focuses on Edgeworth becoming chief prosecutor.

>>377790338
Sorta surprised we never got anything about Hobo Nick & Trucy doing stuff during that big 7 year gap. We get the odd mention about how he went abroad a few times and so on and even helped Athena out with something at some point in the past but it never gets detailed.

>>377785710
The reveal that Rayfa wasn't actually that Queen lady's daughter was dumb as fuck and I felt like it took away from Rayfa's character as just a dumb way to write the villain off without any strings attached or complicated emotions.

Some parts of the games were good, some parts weren't. I found it pretty enjoyable overall. I haven't played DD in a while so I can't compare it but I wouldn't say it was much worse than the stuff in the original trilogy (which I replayed before starting SoJ).

>>377789150
>Blackquill was the only good part.
This

>>377790973
As if Ga'ran wasn't lame as fuck enough
>evil stepmom
Holy shit, it couldn't get any more fucking Disney.

>>377791018
>suspect as soon as Amara is brought up that she's actually disguised as Nayna
>start thinking she might actually be super evil and continue thinking this
>LOL LOOK I HAVE SPIDER HAIR I WAS A COLLABORATION WITH SQUARE ENIX TOTALLY EVIL AM I RIGHT FUCK LAWYERS by the way nahyuta you should confess right now you little cunt

took all the fun out of it by revealing her so early

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>>377789907
>Final boss had trash-tier design and breakdown but the twist with Dhurke was one of my favorite moments in the series

I really liked the twist, but I think there's too much stupid that went on to make the twist happen, like Dhurke keeping way too much info to himself from Apollo for no real reason, and FUCK Maya's pinky promise. Maya, your FRIENDS LIVES WERE ON THE LINE HERE.

And the civil trial was just stupid and forced. Not only recycling Farewell My Turnabout's plot, but instead of Phoenix and Apollo debating ideas and evidence like a match between two defense attorneys should be, it's just a by-the-numbers murder case where Phoenix is nothing more then a stand-in for a prosecutor, and he sucks at it

Armie was great though. She needs to come back.

Don't get me wrong, there was a lot of about the case I liked, but a lot of it was really bad.

>>377790245

I'm usually fine with contrived coincidences in this series, but Apollo JUST SO happening to have grown up in this remote foreign country that Phoenix visited for a reason that had nothing to do with him just crossed the line into extreme contrivance. It really felt like shoving Apollo into the main plot was a last minute choice by the writers so they could wrap up his story arc.

>>377791185

The worst part is they don't even have the decency to wrap up his story arc then toss a "lol guess I gotta tell him he and Trucey are related later" in the credits.

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>>377790973

Agreed. I also didn't care for how Rayfa just kinda seemed to completely forget about Inga, who's implied to have cared of Rayfa a great deal, and spend the rest of the chapter hailing Dhurke.

Making her the child of Amara and Dhurke really took away from her character, and 'cleaned up' her story way too easy. I would had liked if say, she was indeed Inga and Ga'ran's daughter, which would technically keep her from being the legitimate heir to the throne, thus making her feel like her young life's work was pointless, but the kingdom accepts her anyway because of her hard work and reputation.

You know what, screw it. A few legit twists and Apollo's genuine growth be damned. Revolution turned out to be pretty shit over all.

>>377788786
Is there a way to play that without learning nipponese?

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>Now tie me up! Wait... You're not into that kind of thing, are you?
Athena is such a lewd lady.

>>377791752
Emulator with the fan-made english patch. Despite what you might hear from others it's a pretty solid translation.

>>377791904
Where can I get these?

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>>377791313

This is part of why I think Apollo's story should had been wrapped up in a different type of plot. Just shoving him in as the MC of case 5 made too much of a mess of things and then ended up kicked him out of the plot too abruptly.

I really did enjoy him in case 2 though. That case is one of my new favorites.

Frankly I think Phoenix really should had been the star of Revolution, since he's the one making the impact on the country's legal system, the bond he forges with Rayfa overtime, the spirit-channeling stuff, and of course the parallels with the dragon-themed revolutionaries (referencing his Japanese name Ryuuichi).

>>377791965
Everything you need can be googled easily, they're not hidden.

>>377791313
Honestly for what fucking purpose did they do this? I figured it would've already happened with 4's epilogue, but I guess Apollo and Trucy just AREN'T READY to know the truth.

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>>377791752

I believe the entire game is on Youtube if you don't mind just watching it. The team who did the translation did a wonderful job of it.

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>>377791828
Is she?

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Thalassa is gonna get murdered somehow in 7-5 before telling Apollo and Trucy. Screencap this.

>>377792083
In regards to your second point, it was pretty clearly supposed to be a reverse-AA4 situation where Apollo was a fakeout for Phoenix and on some meta level Phoenix "owed" Apollo the spotlight I guess. I thought it was considerably worse in AA6 though because atleast in AA4 it was all moreorless planned from beginning to end plotwise, whereas in AA6 it was Phoenix who started and put in most of the work and then just hands everything over to Apollo for the sake of having a fakeout

I think DD's attempt at Phoenix and Apollo both pursuing justice through different methods was a better idea, even if DD didn't execute this idea well at all.

>>377792367
What is Ace Attorney 7 going to even be on at this point? The Switch? I take it, if it meant no more of that slowdown, that pops up in Spirit of Justice sometimes.

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>>377792219

Like I said, the choice to wrap up Apollo's past in this game really felt like a last minute decision.

I can understand Thalassa's having a hard time trying to come to terms with getting her memories back together, but at this point they're going to really have to come up with an excuse for why she hasn't said anything yet.

And I also blame AA4 for dropping a huge plot point like that for the sake of a sequel hook, making it tricky for the new writers to work around it.

>>377792354
Foreverial tiedup delitized and loving it.

>>377792524

It wasn't that tricky to work around. DD could have had it over and done with in the tutorial case if they felt like it.

>>377792524
DD could have done it easily if they weren't so focused on shoving Athena down our throats, and if Phoenix just stayed out of the courtroom

>>377793427
>if they weren't so focused on shoving Athena down our throats, and if Phoenix just stayed out of the courtroom
Athena is the best girl though.
And who would you even be playing as, if not either of them? You would rather have another fucking Apollo game?

>>377788786
in dire need of an ebin boss fight

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>>377792354

I would had figured she'd enjoy being tied up.

>>377793524
Just because AA4 wasn't as good as AA1 or 3 doesnt mean it wasn't a good game. I thouroughly enjoyed it besides the third case. It's still better than JFA(barring the god tier final case)

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>Gaspen genuinely wanted Phoenix to be put to death in 6-1

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>>377794202

Yeeeaaaahhhh... that was pretty fucked up, even for Gaspen.

Strangely we don't see him in the credits. Guess he either left out of disgrace (again) or was just fired.

I usually don't say this about reoccurring characters, but I would genuinely enjoy seeing him be the culprit or murder victim in a future game.

>>377793427
>and if Phoenix just stayed out of the courtroom
Outside of the DLC case the game was pretty evenly balanced between him and Phoenix I thought.

>Case 1:
Phoenix/Athena

>Case 2:
Apollo/Athena

>Case 3:
Athena/Apollo

>Case 4:
Apollo

>Case 5:
Phoenix/Athena (+Apollo too by the end)

Never liked the argument that Apollo sucks because of Phoenix's mere presence, we've had lawyers with way less screentime who have had more effective arcs. His story is independantly from everything else just a mess, that's all.

>>377789038
THIS
THAT WAS THE BEST CASE OF THE GAME

>>377785710
The finale is way too long.
>>377789038
Blackquill made this case bearable, but overall it was shit.
Multiple personalities? Really?

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>>377785710
>when Apollo defeats guards with his fingerpoint
>the whole character of Dhurke
What the hell is this shounen bullshit? I want AAI2 writing back.

>>377795913
For ridiculous shit the franchise has done like having a parrot or orca testify, multiple personalities isn't as bad.
Still retarded, though.
It would have been fine if that had just been Uendo's quirk, instead of the entire plot and story revolving around them.

Is the honeymoon over?

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>>377795739
I give less of a shit about Apollo with each game due to how he's been handled, but honestly Phoenix at this point is way better when he's an NPC. All of his best scenes in DD were when he was an NPC, that bit in 5-3 where he's coaching Athena through her first crime scene investigation was probably the best mentor-student type scene the series has so far.

There are several big issues with DD and SoJ in terms of being sequels
- First of all, making phoenix come back was a mistake. The guy had stopped being a lawyer for 7 years, you can't just make him comeback and say "hi guys i'm the main character again wassup" If they wanted to keep him as the main character they shouldn't have make him quit in the first place
-Then, the second mistake is introducing athena, it completely deviates the attention from the plot and there's not enough time to make apollo grow as a character (because in AA4 he was pretty much just a puppet)
-Finally the biggest issue was completely going away from what AA4 try to install as a story, i mean a completely different phoenix, a new noobie lawyer by the name of apollo and a new assistant by the name of trucy, you just can't go on and create a sequel that makes a complete 180° just to try afterwards to make amend by creating a convoluted story, which feels like a shoehorned way to make apollo leave.

tl;dr either they shouldn't have make AA4 or they should've kept the story in account while making the sequels

>>377797489
This is basically what I've been saying ever since DD.
They should've continued with Apollo + Trucy and form another trilogy, trying to fix what people didn't like about AJ in the next games.
Alternatively, they could've made each new game about a new character + sidekick. Having a bunch of different characters shoehorned in the games makes it less focused. The series is a clusterfuck currently because of this.

>>377795913
Multiple personalities thing was pretty good. I don't remember it being used in the series before. Although I never played Edgy's games.
That case was bad, because it was just one fucking trial, with no investigation, and Blackquill had been holding your hand the entire case.
Honestly Blackquill should've never stood at the defense side. The role of an assistant ill suits him.

>>377799061

The series never quite got what to do with a Prosecutor after their first game.

>>377785710
T&T > AA > JfA > INV2 > INV1 > AJ > literal shit > DD > SoJ.
AA should have ended after T&T. You know it's true.

>>377799650
>JfA > INV2
no

>>377799698
Yes, 2-3 sucked, i know, but everything after T&T was meaningless.

>>377799303
Edgeworth worked as the final prosecutor in JFA and him being a rival and playable in T&T
Franziska was also rival during the last case in T&T. So they did have roles after their games.

But then, after AJ what did Klavier do? He just had a short irrelevant appearance in DD. Then Blackquill was just an irrelevant assistant during this filler case and that's it.

I bet Nahyuta will just make a random irrelevant appearance in AA7 too.

>>377799884
>AA7
Please no.

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>>377799650
What about the crossover?

>>377799946
It will happen.
And this time they're going to FINALLY reveal that Trucy and Apollo are siblings.

But this series is so fucking predictable these days, that I bet they're going to make Apollo's already extremely tragic story even sadder when Thalassa gets killed before she can reveal the truth to Apollo and Trucy.

>>377799974
Never played it.

>>377799974
Why was Maya even in the game?
Useless piece of shit.

I'd love it if AA7 doesn't introduce a new prosecutor and instead gives us more of the existing ones. Sad monk in particular needs redemption as he sucks.

And Blackquill in AA6 showed they don't even need to have any further character arcs, they can just work with what they have.

>>377800173
>Why was Maya even in the game?
I wondered the same thing in AA6.

>>377800238
for epic spirit channeling cases
But what does she do in the crossover?
Nothing.

>>377800189
Imagine if they show AA7 trailer and Diego is the main prosecutor.
That would be the actual nail in the coffin for me.

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>14 year old Rayfa becomes the new Khurain queen instead of Amara
That makes no sense at all.

>>377800036
>And this time they're going to FINALLY reveal that Trucy and Apollo are siblings.
I hope they do it after they kiss.

>>377785710
Worst prosecutor yet.
And that's counting tutorial cases.

>>377799884

But JFA Edgeworth isn't really prosecuting in the sense of "I believe this man is guilty, so I must prove it in court.", he's just going through the motions to help Phoenix buy time. Ditto with 5-5. The only time he's actually done it was in 6-6, and there it was obvious they were just trying to recreate the AA1 setup with no thought for why this fits his character.

>>377800903
Edgeworth didn't know anything about Maya's kidnapping until Phoenix told him in the middle of the trial. He was prosecuting because he was simply replacing Franziska

Shift protagonist position to Ray. I'm dead fucking serious, that was the one time where the writers remembered that defense attorneys often lost cases in this setting.

>>377785710
Better than DD and the "muh feelings" Athena case. Athena is shit and DD's finale was the worst in the series.
The split between japan/kura'in in SoJ's finale was nice and made it feel like 2 cases. Durke was a cool character too.
The prosecutor was really lame tho and tacking on yet another story on Apollo pretty dumb.

>>377786108
>5-2: Bad
Holy shit how can anybody be so retarded.
And why are rankings like that always done by the dumbest people? Must be because nobody else in their lives gives a shit about what they say. For good reason.

>>377785870
Want a real unpopular opinion? DD is the best game in the franchise period, barely beating out AA3.

>>377801871
>muh feelings
It wasn't "muh feelings". Cue someone posting that picture featuring selection of quotes ripped out of context with parts cut out and pasted together to make it seem like they took the Phantom down with muh feelings when that wasn't what happened at all. The case was dumb primarily over Phantom's actual crime being completely ridiculous when you actually look at what he did + the whole thing with Apollo being easily avoidable if he just talked to Phoenix in private about his concerns or something + Athena's backstory being a knockoff of Edgeworth's, not what you guys keep saying. 6's final case was the same level of cheesy and dumb as 5's was, if not even moreso.

No
In fact I'm disappointed it didn't rehash more by having the final Cornered be the one from AJ