Fire Emblem Echoes

>>377767971
sure, but can you keep posting hi-res charcter images pls

>>377767971

I like my girls submissive but oy vey she's really pushing it.

Really fucked my gameplan up when it turned out she couldn't promote to archer.

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The most accurate Fire Emblem tierlist ever made

>>377767971
I am convinced that Intelling Systems has a fetish for NTR girls.

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>>377768387
here's your (you)

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>>377768083

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>mfw the memory shard of Berkut and his fiancee you can find after your final battle with them
I was not expecting to feel so much for a minor antagonist.

>>377767971
Faye is best girl.

>>377768387
Tons of people have Sacred Stones as their favourites, PoR is objectively better than RD is the majority of features, and
>Conquest
>good
Okay

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>>377768083
Hidari is GOAT. Hope he comes back for the Switch FE.

>>377768387
Switch 6 and 9, and place Echoes in low tier, and this list is actually pretty good.

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>Growths

Ok

>>377768387
Yeah I can definetely agree with this list.

>>377768802
>PoR is better than RD
Only in the story. RD is a direct upgrade in gameplay and presentation. Both are excellent games.

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I like it so far. It feels aged but in a ye olde Fire Emblem kind of way.
My only major complain is that archers are bonkers strong in this game and also that the maps can be pretty fucking stupid.
That one map where Alm's team had to face 23 cavaliers in an open field while my team was split up gave me an aneurysm.

>>377768903
thanks for that image, and same, i like Yusuke but I think Hidari's style is so much more fitting for fantasy

>>377769012
>Not restarting the map again

Casul

>>377768749
>Not postgame level where Faye goes fucking Yandere, adquires god power and tries to kill celica
Fucking IS, at least take your fetish to itsblogical conclusion.

Imagine if IS was this competent when making Shadow Dragon.

>>377768387
>Conquest
>RD
>Good

lol what a faggot

>>377767971
I really wanted to get this, but lack of weapon triangle, and the map designs look fucking horrid. I'm still somewhat on the fence.

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>>377769216

>>377769363
Imagine if the character portraits didn't look like shit and depressing

>>377769486
Pirate it

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Jesus fucking CHRIST THESE GROWTH RATES ARE FUCKING ABYSMAL HOLY SHIT

Its like every character is a jeigan

>>377769363
legitimately the only FE game I started and could not finish. Even by FE's shockingly low standards for presentation and graphics, playing SD made me feel like my soul was getting sucked out

I'm enjoying it so far. Some of the maps are kind of ass like that one that's just an open field with a straight river flowing through it.
The swamp maps are ass cancer.

>>377769604
Mathildas doesn't look too bad

I'm actually enjoying the game a lot more than BR and Rev

The gameplay is essentially make your mercs and mages gods but it's fun breaking the game

>>377769715
Celica and her campaign are ass cancer.

>>377768387
>Conquest
>God tier

Is that the best the Fire Emblem series has to offer?
I only played Awakening, Fates and a bit of Radiant Dawn, but I thought there were better games.
If not then holy shit

>That fucking naruto run they do in dungeons
It looks so dumb why can't they have a normal sprint animation?

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>>377768387

>>377768387
>Conquest
>Good

>>377768669
Despite his chaosfag mentality he did legit care for his waifu.

>>377770218
>Is that the best the Fire Emblem series has to offer?
fuck no. List is shit to the point I'm certain it's bait.

>>377770218
You shouldn't take bait lists so seriously anon.

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>>377767971
Is it time?

>>377770517
Conquest is a good game and there's nothing you can do about it.

>Sonya's ending
what the fug

>>377768387
>Conquest above Awakening
>Awakening in low tier
Autism at its finest

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>>377768387
>the most important aspect is gameplay
>for a franchise noteworthy for being so unbalanced that as difficulty (I.E. enemy's numbers) increases you're forced to use 2-4 units to maximize the RNG

Don't even try and pretend that FE has ever had good gameplay.

>>377767971
Can we agree that Saber is fucking OP?

>>377770218
Thracia 776, Radiant Dawn, Conquest, and FE7 HHM are the top dogs of FE. After that the rest of the games fall flat and really only improve in story, characters or OST

>>377770754
I want to believe that she became a Fates style witch. Besides the only reason that witches were mindless slaves was because their souls were sacrificed to Duma and he's dead so that can't be the case for future witches.

>>377770620
Too much work putting the art of every single character in every one of those.

But best Antagonist and best Archer belongs to Takumi for sure. In Conquest he felt like the only time they've done a proper rival character, and the fact he had brand new, impossible-to-replicate skillsets each time was amazing, and to cap it off with being the final boss and him having a MAP attack and a fucking clone for no reason was too good. May as well have been the Vergil of Fates.

>>377768387
>implying fe12 isnt fantastic

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>>377768387
Looks like it's time for a healthy dose of OPINIONS

>>377770919
I'm honestly having better success with Jesse and Kamui, but everyone says Saber is one of the best. I don't get it.

>>377768387
Why is conquest sharing a spot with RD?
Actual tier list:
Best srpg of all time tier:conquest
Garbage tier: every other srpg

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>>377770620

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Is the Dracoshield even necessary, or is it a reward for defeating Desaix's double or Jedah early?

>>377771193
Saber is definitely one of the better Mercs in the game, but with the low growths it's all a matter of luck on who gets blessed in the end.
Saber and Kamui ended up doing a lot of work. Jesse was pretty meh until I gave him the Brave Sword since he had high skill and luck to abuse the crit boost.

>>377770945
I honestly can't stand Thracia 776. For every neat concept, it has way too much jank in it's UI and other mechanics that it just feels like a total chore to play. Like, somehow both FE3 and 4 feel better to play.

>>377771413
More of the latter. It's a good fucking shield regardless but it's not like it's necessary.

>>377767971
>First battlefield conversation with Faye
>She talks about wanting to kill your enemies and will fight for pretty much whatever you tell her to
>Pretty much everything she says is about how much she want's Alm's dick.

I'm at the beginning so I have to ask, is she the type to kill other girls in their sleep just for daring to look at Alm or is she the type that's so desperate for Alm dick that she would be willing to just be his onahole whenever he's not dicking Celica?

>>377771410
God bless for including Nolan, the true leader of the Dawn Brigade.

>>377769604
>>377769012
>Awakeningkids complain about growths
You children should probably realize that you did not typically have characters with 100+% HP growth, and didn't have characters with a bunch of 70+% growths in other stats. I saw this with Fates, where people were bitching about 40% being considered unusable.

In older games, 40% growth was rather decent.

>>377771574
The latter. She's too much of a beta to actually be a yandere.

>>377771413
of course it's not necessary, the only way you can get it (outside the forge subquest) is through massive cheesing

you can't even beat Jedah early, his shield is permanently on

How long is this? I never finished Conquest cause I got bored like 25~ hours in

Is this better?

>>377771690
You can.
https://youtu.be/W6I4m2nZKrs?t=44s

>>377771410
>Dancer
>Not Nils

>>377767971
Why is the USA rom of this kusoge still not dumped?

>>377771701
It's a remake of the second game in the series. The story will be simpler and less relevant. Maps will be geared more towards unit positions rather than gimmicks.

>>377771810
it didn't work for me, attacked countless times well past the 4-atk limit

>>377770848
gameplay was good for low turn count runs. Shit for casual play unless you are playing 5.

Deen or Sonya? :thinking:

>>377771952
>Maps will be geared more towards unit positions rather than gimmicks.
you can't be more wrong. Positioning is the least important thing in this game because maps are small as fuck and units just bumrush you, and 5-atk archers/mages mean keeping fragile units fully out of attack range is impossible. Luckily, with slow combat even weak units can survive EP no problem

Game is also about 1/5 as difficult as Conquest

>>377771701
Nope. It's different from the standard FE and It's much simpler than Conquest. Unit positioning doesn't really matter since your units rape everything and the maps are garbage. Play Radiant Dawn instead or Path of Radiance instead.

>>377772072
Just got to this part and need help deciding as well, I know Sonya is better in the original but Deen looks like he got his growths buffed.

Everytime you move a space, the date advances. Does that have any meaning?

>>377772236
There's a "speedrun" medal for beating the game under a certain amount of in-game days. Other than that no.

>>377771410
>not just putting Nephenee in every slot

What's it like having shit taste?

>>377772236
>>377772236
Makes each fight feel like an actual battle that takes days along with this>>377772376

>>377771507
It would benefit from a remake.

>>377772072
This is /v/, our answers are going to be to choose the one with the biggest tits.

Joking aside, Sonya, she has the better growths in both the original and remake. Deen is useful in Echoes compared to the original, and comes with the brave sword.
It comes down more to preference and playstyle in this one.

>>377771952
>story will be simpler and less relevant

The story is the best part of echoes.

Anyone fight grima yet? He's a bitch to take down. Had to grind for two days straight and use beefed mounted archers to two turn the bastard.

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>>377770620
Clair and Delthea are pretty great.

>>377772651
>This is /v/, our answers are going to be to choose the one with the biggest tits

Please head on back to the reddit you autistic newfag

>>377772687
Yet it still manages to be mediocre and painfully average.

>>377771690
Not true. 9th floor endgame dungeon has rusted dracoshield.

>>377771635
fire emblem 7 didn't have abysmal growth rates and that was my first FE

>>377769179
Just the raw gameplay mechanics are an upgrade, for sure, but their implementation was very spotty I found. Tier 3 classes was a mess, and individual unit balance was all over the place, ranging from Haar soloing the entire game, to Fiona required a ton of babysitting and favouritism to even remotely keep up with your other units(even on Easy Mode where all exp is doubled). PoR was possibly the best unit balance in the whole series, although admittedly this is partly due to the game overall being pretty easy. But still, every unit except Sothe for obvious reasons is perfectly useable in PoR, while entire groups of characters are barely usable even on lower difficulties in RD.

>>377772714
just abuse the crit weapons

>>377769363
I went from PoR/RD as my first games in the series to Shadow Dragon, boy was that disappointing.

>>377772931
Lmao without grinding the 1/2 damage is still a bitch. Especially with his decent defence.

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>>377767971
I know this is kinda unrelated but is the artist for FE: Heroes the same for Toukiden /2? The style looks very similar to me.

>>377772984
Yes

>>377772714
I just dropped everyone but Lucina, Robin, Chrom, Morgan, and Lon'qu

someone dump the USA rom. sky3ds users can't play the game :(

Btw, how do people consider alm to be strong when he's shit tier compared to any villager. You have to work too hard to max alm when you can abuse the dread fighter -> villager combo

>>377773114
(You)

>>377773114
Meant in echoes, but yeah awakening was too easy.

>>377768903
Hidari is she.

>>377773167
He starts out good and stays good. He can solo Act 1 by himself.

>>377773167
>maxing fire emblem characters

what the fuck is wrong with you awakeningfags

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>>377767971
So,

Classic or Casual?

Normal or Hard?

>>377773306
True. I just find that minus his final attack he's basically useless endgame wise. I prefer using kliff, grey, and Jesse, due to their high offensive/luck stats paired with crit weapons.

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>>377773246
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidari_(illustrator)

>He is primarily known as a light novel illustrator. His pseudonym and circle "Left Side" comes from the fact that he predominantly uses his left

>>377773384
no one has any excuse to play on casual as there is a new mechanic that lets you go back a few turns if you lose a character

>>377773341
Well apart from the multiplayer (kind of not really) streetpass it's just more of a way to get more out of the game. Like an extra challenge.

>>377773527
don't reply to me you faggot redditor

How do we save turn-based strategy RPGs

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>>377767971
I was going to go on about how badly I want Genny and Delthea to fart in my mouth, but I see that's not necessary with that disgusting skank in the op, NTR is below even me with the weird shit I'm into

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The hit rates for this game are bonkers.
>Anything below 90% is practically a crapshoot without good crit chance
>Meanwhile arcanists have consistently dropped my units with their sub 60% spells because only 3 people in each route have res above double digits in each route

>>377773440
Wiki is wrong, it's a common knowledge she is a woman. She talks about it on twitter sometimes.
Also watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu4px5538Ps
>inb4 nips have feminine hands
No they don't.

>>377773701
Find a way for the whole Ogre saga to get made.

>>377773953
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2017/05/05/is-hidari-the-illustrator-a-man-or-a-woman-answer-hes-a-man/

>Gaiden's biggest shill complained about Awakening's free grinding for years
>Has two Tier-2 classes before even finishing Chapter 1

Why are Awakening and Fates haters so bad at Fire Emblem?

>>377774068
You talking about Ghast?

>>377770363
Because they're carrying swords.

>Best girls in the whole series
>No avatar and romance
>Most of them have canon relationships or are eternally cucked

Based IS giving the waifufags karmic justice.

>hit level 20 with alm at second map of chp 4 on alm's path
when the fuck do I promote

>>377773953
Yeah, real common for retards to parrot the opinions of others.

>>377774209
Yeah.

>>377771574
Obviously the characters have set endings that player actions cannot affect, like Celica and Alm end up together no matter what. Faye gets together with a random village dude who says he doesn't mind her obsession with Alm, but he and their family constantly get worried when she disappears for days at a time to visit the castle.
She's onahole-tier.

>>377774531
You unlock Alm's promotion by visiting a village as Celica. You still have to go to a shrine to promote though.

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>>377774991
>Hey alm, maybe we could-
>no
I laughed so fucking hard when I hit A rank and she doubled down on her retardation

Gaiden
>In dungeons, only 10 units can go into fights
>The whole party comes with you but you can switch the order at any time
>All units have access to the Mila statues
Echoes
>Only the first 10 characters can come with, no exceptions
>Only those 10 can access the Mila statues
>You must navigate and leave the dungeon, switch units, and come back with the rest if you want them promoted too

This really fucking irks me. Why did they do this? All it does is add an unnecessary layer of monotony.

>>377775250
It makes sense, at least. If you have your whole party with you, then why can't they all be fielded.

>>377775250
>go with entire party to dungeon
>only 10 of them battle enemies with the others... dunno, cheer and watch from the sidelines
That's retarded, fampai

>Faye cavalier
>Gray merc
>Kliff mage
>Tobin archer

Have I fucked up yet? I had no clue what to make them and I couldn't tell what classes they would lean towards by their stats.

>>377775074
what village
just got in nuibaba's trap

>>377775553
>faye
>calv
>not a tanky as shit cleric
yes

>>377775553
Faye is goat cavalier. Give her the ridersbane and she'll be destroying other cavs and paladins.
Making her a cleric is a waste. Clive and Mathilda are Faye's bitches.

>>377775665
>High Def Cleric with Physic and Rescue in a route with already 4 Cavs is a waste

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>>377775753
>babby needs physic and rescue

>>377775753
>making Atlas anything but a merc because "Celica already has 4 other mercs"

>>377775876
>Needing Cavs when you have Gray the DREAD FIGHTA

>>377772236
This gets my autism flowing; I feel bad if I take too long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fvlkl4fNog

i like this song
I like this game

>>377774068
Ghast never even played Awakening till like last month. And he hasn't played Jugdral either.

>>377775665
>Mathilda
Come on man. Clive sure, but not Mathilda.

>>377775665
i have her has a cav too she's keeping her own
clive is useless
also gray and clair are the best couple

>>377776418
>Ghast never even played Awakening till like last month

And he shit on it for years nonetheless.

>>377775564
After you clear dolth keep as Celica you have to go through the lost woods. You'll find a village there.
It's handy to promote Alm before fighting Nuibaba so he has access to bows and can use the blessed bow for the fight

>>377775553
Faye's best as a Cleric, or a Pegasus Knight because you only get one of each in Alm's route aside from Faye, and each is very valuable.

>>377777380
Tatiana makes cleric Faye redundant and you don't need 3 clerics unless you're a massive scrub.

>Just finished Chapter 3 and got to the first swamp map

IT WASN'T FUN IN GAIDEN AND IT STILL ISN'T FUN

FUCKING ISIS

IF YOU HAVE TIME TO MAKE FUN OF PAIR UP, FUCKING FIX THE MAPS

>>377777462
Tatiana joins way late, and Rescue combined with Silque's Warp is a potent combo.

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>>377767971
>>377777481

>Awakeningfags this triggered by real gameplay

Don't worry, I'm sure on Casual mode you'll get there eventually!

>>377777462
How is an early Physic redundant? You don't get Tatiana until chapter 4 anyways. Besides, warp and rescue shenanigans.

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>>377770620

>>377777580
>Swamp Maps
>Desert Maps
>Gameplay

For Villagers i have
Gray/Cav - He's shit, awful growths and a liability
Tobin/Merc - Hes ok, gave him the lightning sword and he's been basicly a mage
Faye/Peg - really good, but archers are nuts in this game and its super annoying to play around them
Kliff/Mage - Really good, but hes a bit slow, not as good as Delthia or Luthier

Also, is it me or is Celica's team just better all around?
Forcyth and Lukas are hot shit combpared to Valbar,
Clive is garbage,
Matilda is only good for her Res
Genny is just so much better than Silque unless your cheesing with Warp (Physic is rad)
While on Celica's team everyone except Leon is really good. (except Boey, hes just ok)

>>377777481
This just prove waifus make games worse

fates and awakening had no map designs but no newfag cared because they wanted a dating sim.

>>377767971
Freeshop when

>>377777717
Not really.

Inoffensive bland maps > offensive AND bland maps

Why do you think Birthright gets less hate than Revelations?

>>377777714
Leon takes a huge shit all over Python or your arch villager.
And Boey is not ok. He's outright trash.

>>377777714
Maybe cavs are the problem, because I have Gray!merc and Tobin!cav, where Gray is wrecking everything and Tobin is falling off hard. I'm probably going to bench Tobin at this rate since the game just keeps throwing better cavs at me.

>>377777714
>Gray
>Cav
>Tobin
>Merc

You dun goofed hard, anon. Merc Gray is one of the best units in all of Alm's route and Tobin is a great Mage and a good Archer.

>>377777718
a few days ago

>>377777714
Leon isn't great but he's way better than Python and a Villager Archer, except maybe Archer Kliff.

Celica's team is amazing besides Boey.

>>377777718
no one has dumped the US version the EU version with the dlc is everywhere

>>377777714
Valbar becomes obsolete fast because of Celica's maps and the fact that he starts as a Knight. Lukas is a solid unit and stays relevant, same with Foscyth is you babysit him.
My Luthier was complete shit. I gave Kliff the speed ring to fix his move but being able to double with Sagittae is nuts
Mathild is one of your best cavs along with Zeke and Conrad is solid.
Leon is alright. Surprisingly my Tobin got real lucky and was one of my better units
You also fucked up by not making Gray a merc.

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>mfw my favorite game is Thracia 776 but nobody fucking played

>>377772859
>Unit balance
I love how wrong your objectivity is when shit like Rolf, Mist and Shinon exist.

Meanwhile the majority of characters in RD are viable as long as you use them from when you first encounter them and pre-promotes are all actually useful, even shit like Renning.

On top of all that both games have fuckign Bexp so "babying" is a nonissue if you really wanna use a certain unit and "babying" has always existed in this series in the form of one character or another, so of course shit like Fiona, Meg, Rolf and Mist will exist, they are supposed to be high investment/high reward characters.

>>377778506
>low movement unit is obsolete

I love this fucking meme so much.

>>377778684
Doesn't have a proper translation yet.

Few can stomach the current one, especially the menus. In America.

>>377778741
>Rolf, Mist and Shinon
Who are all fantastic units. Rolf and Shinon are very similar and ultimately it comes down to whether you want to baby Rolf at the beginning to have an Archer/Sniper for most of the game, or ignore him and have Shinon who takes no effort to train but only comes back relatively late in the game.
And Mist is one of your only two healers, trading Light Magic for a horse when compared to Rhys, but also has to be babied to catch up to the party as opposed to Rhys. She also has the added benefit of being your only help against the Black Knight, and her heals are really the only consistent way to kill him and get Nasir, which increases her value a lot.

>>377778940
It's more that he's on a team with as many as 5 frontline units that cover 75% more ground and also laugh at mages, plus a trio of fliers. Knights work better on Alm's route, plus they make prime candidates for forks.

>>377778940
He has ONE move on Desert maps. ONE.

And this is a route where half your team is pegasus knights and dread fighters, and a bow knight.

>>377778940
A lot of Celica's maps are "gotta go fast" maps where if you don't deal with the cantors, they swarm you with summons.

>>377779396
>spam illusions with your genny
that was easy

is atlas any good as a soldier? or is merc really his best promotion?

>>377779730
No point making another slowpoke. Just don't have him be your primary tank.

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>on chapter 4
>doing celica's side to promote alm who is level 20
>first map is a swamp map
>bait with fliers and slowly start moving my tank to the opposite side (pic related)
you are some bitches

>>377779730
Make him an archer

>>377768387
>Le Conquest is good meme
It's just as shitty as Birthright
Echoes SoV is the best 3DS FE game ever made

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>get control of both characters for the first time
>move Alm to his next fight
>high health, high defenses, high damage witches that teleport anywhere
These fucks can bring Lukas down to 1hp with any attack at any time, which means that he's dead if he ever gets sneezed on.
Is there a pattern to their teleports or do they just go for it if someone's weak?

>>377775553
Faye Cav is okay but you better grinding the fuck out of everyone because you have no Physic early

>>377780004
>got four levels on Saber just from the cantors
>three of them were shit level ups with only 1 stat increase
>forgot about the normal units
I have read that saber wasn't this insane in the original, so I understand the complaints about swamps there, but then again, I'm playing on hard casual since it's my first playthrough

>>377780856
the original was balanced with grinding in mind, so I'd imagine that would be the case here, a lot of my units were underpowered on alm's side at the start of 4

>>377780856
They tend to go after stragglers that are at the end of your army. They won't all go after you at once though.

>>377771810
how does sonya have that crazy range on excalibur?

>>377781224
Mage Ring

>>377778684
I enjoyed it but some things need serious reworking/removal. I'd say Thracia is the most deserving of a remake (translation aside)

>Key units can be fatigued in chapters where they have events( otherwise, fatigue is perfectly fine)
Almost didn't have Lara for the Pahn Chapter, and didn't have Sara for the Eyvel chapter (Had to cheat her fatigue because I wanted to know what happens)
>Dismounting indoors, while realistic, fucks over a lot of the cast endgame
>Staves broke the game way too hard
>Wrath is horribly OP, comes on a unit that gets a PRF Hand axe with higher hit 1st chapter
>Enemies can catch your unit and you can't steal your shit back because of CON
>Recruiting Xavier
>Mareeta gets Astra and Luna AND a PRF brave/Killing edge
>Final bosses are waaaaay too easy (Veld doesnt fight back 1st turn the door opens, still uses Yotsumugand)
>No unique boss dialogue

Otherwise, the game is great, I loved the art, and I'd love to see scrolls/skill,books return. As an FE4fag I loved stuff like Shanam coming, it directly tying into chapter 8, and my nigga Sety wrecking shit again (only to be fatigued final chapter)

Is Act 6 of Echoes worth playing through?

>>377781453
how well would the dungeon's fatigue system work in a remaster of Thracia? to my knowledge, instead of making units weaker, in thracia, they are unusable for one map
>>Mareeta gets Astra and Luna AND a PRF brave/Killing edge

>>377781694
I know that the original had 5 acts, is 6 some post game or a completely original segment?

>>377767971
Why is Faye an archer in Heroes, if she can't choose to be an archer at the start of the game?

>>377769657
>Even by FE's shockingly low standards for presentation and graphics
Aside from the Radiance titles and Shadow Dragon, Fire Emblem has always done extremely well with combat animations. For the 2D games, sprites were generally very well done as well. For the 3D games, it wasn't even that the Radiance titles had bad animations, they just didn't match up to the quick snappy movements from the 2D games but for the 3DS titles, they managed to emulate that rather well to get animations back on track. FE has more or less always done very well with presentation. Shadow Dragon was the only major low point.

THE MAPS ARE TOO BIG.
THE MAPS MAKE YOU MOVE TOO SLOW
THE ENEMIES ARE UNINSPIRED AND TOO SAMEY ON EVERY MAP.
HEY LOOK YOU MOVE REALLY SLOWLY WHILE WE SPAM ARCHERS / MAGES / SUMMONS
THIS IS GOOD DESIGN.

This is not good design. Every map is just bad, I just throw pegasus knights at the summoners, then use a sniper to pick off the rest, and heal everybody up with psychic.

Fuck, I'm thinking about dropping this to pick up fates. Where should I start?

>>377782006
not him, but I played through SD to completion, and compared to echoes, it felt incredibly half assed, but then again, it was at the point that the franchise was nearly dead, the animations would have been better off if they used sprites instead of the models, they look like something you'd see on sega saturn

>>377782053
I suggest killing yourself, faye's A rank felt like a middle finger to shitters like you responsible for fates being so heavy on waifu shit.better yet, echoes has some of the best girls in the series

>>377781715
That could work in benefit of support units, but if you have no inhibitors on them by endgame then staff shenanigans get even more OP

Also
>Missing staves
Fucking Tina unlock those fucking doors already, you cunt
>miss
>miss
>unit dies to enemy inside the locked room's siege magic

>>377769528
>get Masamune Shirow to do art and designs
>actual game looks like shit so you don't get to appreciate it outside of artbooks

>>377782053
Birthright

>>377782006
>Radiance Titles have bad combat animations
U wot m8? Path of Radiance may have been questionable, but Radiant Dawn had some real nice ones.

>>377768387
If you just rated 4 and 5 instead of tossing it away as "nostalgia" you might have something here, you like dem maps right? play 5

does anyone have a list of weapon upgrades? like what weapons upgrade to what?

You guys remember Grieth's map? In the desert? Yeah fuck that map. Cantors can suck on Mae's aura.

>>377783034
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/miscellaneous/forging/

Wow, Berkut's VA is definitely overacting

>>377783308
he's meant to be a ham, and he's voiced by space dandy.

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>>377783308
I love it
HOW CAN SOME WORTHLESS COMMONER BE MORE SPECIAL THAN ME?

>>377782284
Who said anything about the girls? Why are you so quick to deflect criticism about gameplay to something unrelated?

>>377767971
>saves the bread rind Alm left over at dinner and carries it around as a lucky charm
>probably tried pleasuring herself with it on multiple occassions
>happy to kill in Lord Alm's name and have fun doing it
best girl

>>377783185
thanks!

what's the fastest way to grind weapon arts?

>>377783503
>pretending people didn't lose their shit when facepetting was taken out of fates
you'd probably call that gameplay, its removal was the only good thing to come out of treehouse, and I don't sense any of their stank in echoes

>Just got to the first statue
>All them 1-2 stat gains
I know it's not that important but this is going to really annoy me for a while
>Alm just got +1 HP
Seriously.
Anyways are these a good setup?
Frey - Cleric
Tobin - Archer
Kliff - Mage
Gray - Merc

>>377783654
yes
faye can also be a peg knight if you want

>>377783654
That's the more often agreed classes for them at least.

>>377783654
Stat gains when changing class don't work like in the other recent FE games. When you promote you get bumped up to the minimum stats of the respective class if you are below them, no more, no less, so someone who got fucked hard by level up RNG will get on average more stats from promoting than someone that lucked out and got lots of good ones, who might not get any stat gains at all for changing class.

>>377783785
Is it better to have a healer near the start or Pegasus Knight?
>>377783821
I get that. It's just man just getting one stat just feels weird. I know that's just how pre GBA FE were and it's not really needed so I'm not complaining. Just feel like this is going to bite me in the ass sooner or later.

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>draw a girl
>call it a boy
>people are now gay if they like it

where can i get gold coins? i only have one and im not sure if i wanna upgrade the gold dagger or make a rapier

>>377784015
>I thought he was a girl and so else had to
nice projection

>>377783613
Except I never even talked about that. You're very fixated on talking about those factors when it wasn't in the original post.

Personally I don't care for the marriage system and whatnot and the removal of the face-petting thing since I cared more about getting the support bonuses the event gives you. Or the conversations at any rate.

His complaint is about the map design is the point. You could at least refute that, as opposed to just jumping instantly deflecting blame to a different game.

Just for transparency I'm not >>377782053, although I do share his dislike for the maps of Echoes.

>>377783596
The first dungeon (Thieves Den) , use START button to skip and voila

>>377784015
Naw they are boyish enough and the girls are girly. Kliff might be the most feminate of the bunch but he's not girl (male).
Honestly this game has lots of great husbandos which I'm happy about.

>>377784015
that looks like a boy tho

>>377784009
You get used to it in due time. I find it actually helps because no level up ever feels like a truly bad level up unless it just give nothing, and getting a 5+ stat level feels more exciting than ever.

>>377784009
dunno, i went healer
she wrecks some serious shit

>>377784017
what are the stats of the rapier in echoes? can't find it on wiki

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>>377784009
>Is it better to have a healer near the start or Pegasus Knight?
Alm only gets one of each besides Faye, so it's a decision that can really go either way. Some will say Cleric is better for her spells, but having an extra flying unit who's just as good as the other one can be nice to have in various circumstances.

>>377784286
3 mt, 1 weight, 90 hit but its also crit +5 anti cav and anti armor so it sounds like a good weapon to have on someone (im thinking gray) on alms side

>tfw you get the draco shield in the first act
literally soloing maps without ever taking damage, this shit is busted with no durability

>>377784416
is that base? only have a silver sword on Saber

God damn Celica is dumb.

>>377784518
it upgrades from a brave sword for 1 gold coin pretty sure you can make it stronger with silver afterwards tho

>>377784485
Let's be honest, if you can get the draco shield that soon, you probably grinded enough to trivialize the game anyways.

>>377784578
>7
I told you no Faye, stop following me

>>377767971
>tfw no marriage system

>>377784485
Sorry just started and people keep talking about the Draco Shield. What is it and where is it?

>>377784636
I didn't grind at all though. It's very very easy to get.

>>377784683
on the last battle of chapter 1 from desiax

>>377784683
It's on a boss you're not actually supposed to beat in Act 1 (you beat a different boss and then he retreats) but it's possible to beat said boss anyways and the game will even acknowledge this via dialogue and drop the draco shield which is overpowered as hell.

>get honey
>decide to poke about and see the rest of the building before returning to the innkeeper's wife
>nope, Act III
You got me game

Really love how the game handles Healers and Archers, lots of fun.

Does the stat springs matter? Who should I give them too?

>>377784636
Grinding barely helps in this game though unless you go way overboard.
Desiax is really not that dangerous, he just takes a while to kill.

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>complaining about growths
Bet it all on Kliff

>>377784934
Someone who needs it, like give res to a tanky non-merc you aren't going to fork.

>>377785097
I made him an Archer and he is a fucking death machine

>>377775553
Weird, this is almost exactly what I did, with the exception of making Faye a peg rider instead.

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>>377785097
>his Kliff isn't sanic

>everyone says not to use est cause you have to baby her
>get into a cantor fight
>get from level 3 to 12
jesus fuck grinding is so easy

>>377785391
That's a pretty fast Kliff, anon

>>377785416
Any command not to use a character is dumb in a game where you field your entire army outside dungeons. And yes, the low-level dudes catch up easily.

>>377779087
You can also just kill Shinon too, him being a trash talking faggot to you and disrespecting the griel mercenaries by going Awol and then killing him with Ike is just a very satisfying moment.

>>377785097
Serious, I'm still way early in the game with my mage Kliff, but
>almost equal in defense to Lukas with leather shield
>Nearly as fast as Alm
>higher res than anybody
>Nearly highest attack

It's nuts.

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>>377785097
>>377785391
your kliffs are shit my dudes, especially the one that's already a dread fighter

>>377785749
Saber is a monster anon

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I really fucking like the music. This title soundtrack is great, despite being pretty simple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjaBzGyCsSg

>>377785906
could you put the growths of the two side by side? my kliff has been so shit that I have hardly used him

>>377786006
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/characters/growth-rates/

>>377785906
I don't get Saber. Mine kinda sucks, his defense is so low.

I've been playing this, and see a lot of the complaints, especially with map design. That said I'm still really liking it. Even if the story is simple, it's better written than previous ones which feels nice, the art is great, and I like the characters as well. Gameplay could use touching up, but I like the increased ranges on bows and some spells.

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>>377786180
The bow range kinda annoys me. But that's because my only archer on Alm's side right now is Python and he's pure shit.

>>377786271
>tfw want to like Python but Leon outclasses him in literally everything
Also why are both natural archers gay?

>>377786271
>He doesn't have Kliff the God Archer of Double 5-Range Crits

>>377786271
Python is weak so you need to grind some more before promotion

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>>377786271
>enemy archers are fucking godly due to the obscene range on the fuckers
>my archers can't hit dick and never have a hit percentage above 70% ever

>>377786271
Neither him nor Tobin have been that great for me. Leon's been the opposite so far, was one of the most useful members of that team through part 2.

>>377786271
So what is up with the archer being gay meme?

>>377786443
Tobin actually changed my opinions of archers by the end. By the end he was a dedicated magic-user and archer killer. With support from Gray and Kliff, he can hit or crit any distant enemies easily. If you get the killer bow, then he'll kill anything from a distance.

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>tfw Lukas has double-digit speed
These shit growths lead to some pretty wacky results.

>>377786646
>walking around as a fatass knight
>still doubling everything
Lukas is fucking great

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Didn't expect that, didya?

>Exotic Spice can be sold for 3 gold, and they're not used in any sub quest
Just a heads up

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>promote Mae
>give her brave sword
>43% crit chance with current luck
is my dick supposed to be this fucking hard?

>>377777626
>KentxFiora

You're my bro, their support is GOAT

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What did she mean by this?

>>377786646
At first I was worried to use him thinking he was a Jagen Didn't really look at his stats nor class.. Little did I know how awesome he really is.

>>377787250
>promote Mae
>she's instantly a better sword user than Saber, Kamui and the other fuckers

So this is why Boey wanted to dick her.

>>377787223
Sold to who?

>>377787250
Literally every merc in that party can do the same trick better.

>>377787412
blacksmith. trade it in for the gold

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Anyone who has finished Echoes, how did you kill Duma in the boss battle? I'm doing fine up until the room with Duma and all the cantors, but by the time I get there it's full of like 20 terrors and witches and any unit that tries to get close gets bodied. Should I just ignore Jedah and rush to kill Duma/cantors?

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I don't understand this complaint about growths. They're around GBA growth rates.

I mean have you fags even played the original Gaiden? Now THOSE are shit growths.

>>377787705
Even the guy who made the game said they were still a bit too low despite the buffs.

>>377787223
where can i get exotic spice?

>>377787705
Can I complain about Tobin's at least? I know he's supposed to be kinda lame but sheesh. At least it doesn't matter as much as a Knight.

>>377768387

>conquest is god tier
>Awakening is low tier as it should be.


I don't know how to feel

>No Iwata Ask where we get 6 pages of IS and Iwata having fun talking about all the reasons for the weird stuff in the game and little tricks to get things working on the NES

>>377788000
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/miscellaneous/sub-quests/
1 subquest each on alm and celica's route, though i have one extra on alm, dunno where i got it from. the dagon fillet for celica's subquest needs an item from alm's route

>>377788326
wasnt fates the last iwata asks?

>>377771165

What bothered you in RoD ? Story was pretty epic and a lot of side characters took part in the plot, wich was cool.

That feeling when fucking Ike arrives and hijack the game

>>377788516
Yep
>All those talk about how they felt Awakening plot was dull and wanted to improve it so they made Fate
Actually there was a Ask made by Shigesato Itoi for Miitopia. But without that NES developer history it feels a little flat.
https://miitomo.com/en/talk/

I accidentally skipped the intro dialogue of the dolth map, anyone have a video of it, or was there nothing important said during the intro of the map?

Mages and archers feel so incredibly powerful in this game. My mages are the backbone of both armies and Leon is like a god with the defense of a knight, the speed of a myrmidon, and the utterly absurd sniper attack range. Most of my battles consist of my ranged units wreaking havoc while my poor melee units struggle to do anything aside from clean-up duty.

So what does those achievements do if anything?
>Got one for getting 6 stat ups at the start
Just seem odd.

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>Make Kliff a mage
>He has more defense than Lukas or Forsyth

>>377787682
As sad as it is, I cheesed the hell out of the battle. Kill Jedah, the eyeballs and stay out of Duma's range. From then on just spam Invoke, preferably Silque's dread fighters, and let them kill the witches and bait the enemy. From then on it's just weakening Duma. A word of warning though, he starts to change strategies when half his health is depleted so don't rely on the specters you summon to completely distract him.

>>377788947
>That reddit post saying Kliff is worst as a mage

Never called bullshit on a dumber meme. I can understand wanting to make him an archer and Tobin a mage instead. But why the fuck bothrr makong any of thr villagers into cavs or soldiers?

Reddit is so fucking shit, goddamn.

>>377788943
I can pretty much solo celica's route with Saber as long as he is within range of Genny's physic
>>377787438
I gave the brave sword to Mae for the reason stated above, she needs the crit more than my Saber does since he can tank pretty much anything I have seen so far

>>377789214
just checked genny's attack right now, her physic has a range of 19 goddamn tiles

>>377789052
he really does have a bad start as a mage; I made him one and he just does not double.

>>377789312
Tobin is a good mage early game and Kliff bad early game, but I'm guessing it turns the opposite late game.

>>377787682
>>377788950
how long is the game?

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>cavalier Faye is all hp, str, def, with weirdly high luck
>only lvl 4 and already shits all over Clive
My little yandere can't possibly be this cute!

>>377786126
He's stronger than your typical first merc. The team merc is almost always good and always at least servicable because they start out with godly bases. Saber iirc starts at lvl 1 with at least 10 in each offensive stat and decent health. Even if you don't get good level ups, his bases carry him a long way.

>>377789052
>putting Plebbit in charge of vidya stuff
>putting Plebbit in charge of anything

>Group EXP is helping me with all the slacking members
While I like PoR Battle EXP this was nice too.

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>finished up the nuibaba map,
>Alm group at good levels, about to go through celicia stuff
>All the good shit i found in the shrine
>This godlike ost

I'm really digging this game. I hope the echoes series continues with either FE6 or 4. i'm gonna go all out with the post game shit

>>377789803
The dungeon before Nuibaba had me clenching my ass the whole time. So many of the encounters on the lower floor were fucking brutal.

Sluice is such a goofy-sounding word. I can't take it seriously. Especially when a villain says it in a deep, dark voice.

Sluice.

>>377790097
SLOOS

>>377789635
Checking his bases, he's a bit worse than my level 1 Merc Gray. My main problem is that his defense is kinda bad for a melee unit, seriously he can't take a fucking hit. My Celica takes hits better than he does.

>>377789803
FE4 seem like the logical continuation.
>We are going to have a localization of 776 remake before a readable fan translation of the SNES version
What is up with that?

>>377790097
I can't hear sluice without thinking of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgfturgXrLo

>>377789803
I actually really want a FE6 remake. It's one of those games where it wouldn't take too many changes to become truly great, and it'd be nice to include extra stuff on top of that.

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I can't tell if Clair is shit or if the RNG is just fucking her. Right now all she's good for is giving Gray and Alm support bonuses.

>>377790326
Her start is really shitty. I hear she gets better though.

>>377790326
She became useful for me after her promotion due to her skill. Upgrading weapons often does wonders if you have the marks to spare.

>>377790190
Comparing to a villager is a bit of a bad comparison since they get some extra levels to get their stats going, depending on how early you promoted Gray.
His base defense is a little weak, but his growths make up for it later. You should find a leather shield pretty soon in Celica's campaign and stick it on him until his growths catch him up.

The biggest problem with echoes is that none of the fan art can accurately imitate Hidari's artwork.

>>377790750
Well, Gray at least starts with the same strength and speed due to Merc bases. Except for Kamui for some godforsaken reason, his speed is fucked.

>Never bought an Amibo
>Really like Celica's design
>Decide to buy her Amibo since I heard from /v/ Amibo's aren't really as bad as McDonalds toys
>Finally see one in person
>It's a McDonald's toy

Fuck. Why do I listen to Nintendo fans ever?

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>Get up Freddie you're sitting at my desk!

>>377790994
the only problem I have with mine are that the swords end up bending slightly on their own, and I have that same issue with every amiibo with a sword or thin piece anywhere

Something I don't like about Echoes is that mage counter is Fire by default. You can't equip a weapon or a skill and make that the one you will use for counters.

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>Alm doesn't pick Faye

Why does the MC have such bad taste?

>>377791143
Maybe it's because I'm used to expensive figures with attention to detail put into them.
There's not much to be impressed with by an Amibo.

>>377791240
>used to expensive figures
>having inflated expectations about a sub-$20 figure

>>377791279
My only expectation was that it wouldn't look like trash, which it does.
My shelf looks better with nothing at all on it instead.

Do you guys always field every unit possible? Atlas is a liability at this point and I don't want people to die unnecessarily, but there have been times in FE where just one point of damage could have changed a battle.

>>377791362
I've seen people complain about Atlas a lot but he's one of my best units right now. What's going on?

Is there ever a cool fight between Alm and Celica's armies? Do they at least meet up with each other eventually?

>>377789552
About 30-40 hours.

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>>377791165
this is maybe the first FE I have used mages and healers as frequently as calvs, generals, and foot soldiers, having counter default to Seraphim would be broken as shit

>>377791325
the fuck on you on about, the main problem with a lot of non stylized humanoid amiibos are that the faces look weird, and alm and celica have the best faces out of all the amiibos I own that fit the the description I just gave. also, speaking of retarded looking faces, I have a bootleg espeon plush next to my gallery mew because of how hilarious it looks, I got the real thing several months ago

>>377791402
You got REALLY lucky with Atlas' stat rolls and unlucky with... well, everyone else.

He has shit starting stats and growths, and even if you invest the time to train him, he's still going to be worse than almost everyone else.

>>377791402
he has a terrible start. Especially since you have to backtrack to promote him

>>377791175
To be fair this is the one time I can agree with him. Like gods woman, can you talk about anything that isn't Alm? I bet she even named her kids Alm, even if they were girls. Who the fuck even married her, and why did she agree?

>>377791402
I don't know. He's very easy to level up with all the weak fodder floating around.
>>377791362
Did you remember to promote him?

>>377791498
>alm and celica have the best faces out of all the amiibos
If that's the case then this is the first and last Amibo I'll buy.
Her face is terrible.

>>377791362
I don't even bother with him or the old sage guy.

They can be helpful, yeah, but even having them in the battle means I have to be extra careful to keep them out of danger and having to waste turnwheel uses to try and prevent their deaths.

It's easier to just forget about them entirely.

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>>377791478
>Is there ever a cool fight between Alm and Celica's armies?
I fucking hope not, I'm fucked if I control alm's army, because my saber can solo my entire army on Alm's side

>>377791362
If he dies just turn back time and don't put him in harm's way. Also no, on Alm's side I did not field Python and his gay lover Forsyth ever. On Celica's side I never fielded Jesse.

>>377791402
He's another Est. Put it enough work and he's good unit, but catching him up to par with the rest of your units is a pain.

>>377791576
Yeah. I made him an archer right away to take advantage of his massive strength without putting his abysmal speed and defense in harm's way, but I'm always afraid to use him. Especially since my other archers and even my mages can survive an emergency hit.

>>377768387
Put Awakening and Birthright in God Tier, and it's good.

>>377791681
>not making him a merc to fix his speed/skill
He's easy to catch up if you just feed him cantor spawn on a convenient map, much like Est.

>>377791478
Nope, the only time you control both armies is the very last battle of the game.

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>>377791687
now this is shitposting

>>377791772
Why in god's name would you bother making him a Merc, considering Celica gets at least 3 other mercenaries. All of which who are miles above him.

>>377791772
Celica had three other Mercs and all of them were performing poorly compared to her mages and archers. No way.

>>377791819
3 mercs are good and 4 is even better?

>>377791819
Because he hits harder than they do and dread fighter is the most broken class in the game.

>>377791819
Because he sucks worse as the other classes.

>>377791819
He has godly attack and will pretty much kill whoever without a crit. Honestly my Kamui came out to be shit, and I did not bother training Jesse.

>>377791894
>dread fighter is the most broken class in the game.

*teleports behind u*

"Get a load of this!"

>all these characters that say nothing personal when they win

Time to make them all Dread Fighters.

>>377791969
>use the one merc so much that I recognized the quote right away

>>377791969
I still don't understand how the witches' teleports work. Sometimes they teleport from across the map and sometimes they run towards my army first. Do they have a range or don't they?

>people still making Kliff a mage over archer
>not using mage Tobin and archer Kliff

>>377792027
It's somewhat random, but once they're in walking range they generally behave like normal units.

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>>377791819
It fixes his shitty growths and he gets to make good use of his retard strength.

>>377792027
Im guessing they didnt want the AI to always teleport every single witch behind you to snipe your armour guys because that would be frustrating, so they made it random.

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>>377792050
>not wanting robin hood the pancake archer

>>377792050
>not making Kliff, Tobin and Gray all Mercs