Can we have a thread dedicated to the best JRPG ever made?

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Sure.

>>377762298
sequel is better
>>377762381
agreed

>>377762298

That's not a picture of Grandia II.

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I mean, if you insist, but I don't think most of /v/ has played it.

Grandia is good, but it's pure nostalgiafagging to say any of the classics are the best. The truth is that JRPGs have improved in virtually every area since then, and there is always a game that does something better. One example is in the quality of written dialogue and translations, which tend to be better than in the classics.

With that said, Grandia was still a great game that I highly recommend. Lunar as well.

>RPG

People still play this garbage?

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Final Fantasy IX thread?

>>377763435
Yeah, people with brains who don't suffer from ADHD

>>377763428
Yes, I too enjoy the new, better JRPGs, like Black Rose Valkyrie.

>>377762681
>sequel is better

Yup. So is Lunar 2. CD version is better though.

>>377762298
I thought chrono trigger had a different cover.

>>377763312
The premise is pretty neat but otherwise nothing special.

>>377762298
We have The Witcher 3 threads all the time!

>>377762298
Can we please have a JRPG thread without stupid bait in the OP that removes any chance of having a constructive discussion?

Let this thread die and then try again.

>>377764180
Anon, it's pretty lame and disingenuous to use idea factory stuff as an example of modern JRPGs

>>377764539
My thoughts exactly.

I never cared for the Grandia series, though I did enjoy the combat system.

I hated every Grandia charcter, except Tio & maybe Liete.
The MCs are some of the worst i've ever dealt with.

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>>377764808

Sure, one of few games that kept me going through all of the optional side content.

>>377764813
It's not like using Gust, Compile Heart, Nippon Ichi, Bamco, or Square would be any better. Which was probably the point. The most modern jrpgs are hot garbage and it's not just nostalgia faggotry to say that many of the best genre entries are still older titles (even if there is still a ton of nostalgia faggotry in the jrpg fanbase).

>>377763591
That slow piece of shit isn't even the best of its own series.

>>377765063
Yes it is nostalgiafaggotry, and your insistence on idea factory proves that you only want to point to the lowest quality stuff to represent modern games because the best stuff (like Falcom) can easily meet or excees the classics

>>377763591

>All those PlayOnline tags in the game.

What were they thinking?

>Play Grandia when I was younger
>Get to the point where you're on the ship with the green haired girl
>Hear my name
>Really confused
>Realize that the game has voice acting, and my name was the same as the localized name of the main character
>Game immediately became my favorite game because the characters were saying my name and it was my first experience with real VO in games

Regardless, Grandia's great, Grandia 2 is also good but in my opinion it wasn't as good. I never played Grandia 3, how was it?

Grandia 1 is one of the best PS1 JRPGs, one of the best JRPGs ever.

Love that skill system where getting a new ability feels like you've put so much work and effort into it.

And the battle system that tried, successfully, to make the player use space to his advantage, like Lunar but better.

Also allowing for spells to be canceled to allow for a little bit more depth to combat

The characters and story were charming and memorable, and the whole thing had a strong feeling of actually being on an adventure, especially when you reach the new world. The character growth for Justin was some of the most amazing in any game, where he goes from annoying kid to a cool hero.

Only problem is the lack of challenge, which is par the course for JRPGs but it was more disappointing in this one because of the great battle system that seemed like it would lend itself to some tougher end-game or secret challenges.

Also
>have a normalfag friend who plays nothing but sports games
>he sees this in my room and somehow gets interested in it and borrows it
>he plays it solidly through to the end, with a stronger party than I had
>talk about it for years after
Maybe it was because of the picture of Feena.

Also
>dat heartwarming ending

What a game

>>377765421
How the fuck do you get that far in the game without realizing the protagonists name?

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>>377762298
ok daddy

>>377765262
Falcom's modern games are shittier than their old ones.

Ys is became a generic party based JRPG and Cold steel is high-school anime garbage

>>377765421
3 is shit

>>377765262
>your insistence on idea factory
>ignored the 6 other companies I posted that also pump out crap

I'm not even the original guy. I'm just taking a shot on what point he was making. If any. 1 good modern game for every 20 shitty games doesn't change the fact that while some of the best games are indeed modern, and the best possible modern ones do raise the bar, plenty of the best ones are also still older. You're just flailing around because you don't want it to be true.

>>377765140
>slow
I think actions would be more suited to your level of patience and attention, stop playing RPGs

>>377765504
Nigga, I was like 8 when the game came out, I wasn't exactly paying attention to the text, I just wanted to play the game so I mashed X most of the time.

>>377762681
Fuck off, sequel was good, but doesn't even come close.

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>>377762381
>>377762681
My niggas. Have some Millenia. This my way of thanking you.

>>377765421
Justin really is his name, not just localized name. Justin.

>>377765421
His name is Justin in the Japanese version too.
>>377765468
The ending isn't heartwarming when you consider that Justin either has to stop his adventures to take care of his kids, or abandon them.

>>377762298

That's not Grandia II

>>377765549
Cold Steel isn't the greatest thing ever but it's far from being garbage. The battle system is one of the best, and the world/setting (beyond the generic high school stuff, which is gone by no.2 but which they seem to want to bring back for 3 annoyingly) has loads of depth and detail.

The last 10 years have been pretty good for JRPGs really, especially considering Atlus games and Falcolm localisations.

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>>377765827
What really? Huh. I just assumed it was one of those early localization changes where they changed the name because the Japanese one was too hard to pronounce or some shit.

That's crazy. Well shit. Maybe I should replay Grandia, it's been like 10 years since I last played it.

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Sweet, we never have threads for this.

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I wanted to beat Leen over the head with a chair for every time she was on screen. Also, those triplet whores who worked for the prince guy. I didn't even wanna finish the game because of them.

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Ok OP.

>>377764265
came here to post this

>>377765881
Not the same anon, but the school shit is so off putting for me. If it wasn't for knowing CS2 didn't ditch it I wouldn't even have it on my backlog.

>>377762381
Mah nigga

>>377766010
I bought this and never touched it, it looks mad boring and chromatically aberrant

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Fifth gen jrpg thread?

Interested, thoughts on BoFIV? Best in the series in my opinion.

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>>377765987
all the other names are pretty much the same too

Anyone give a shit about this? If so, I'll post more. I got the guide for the first one on ebay and the jacket wasn't in the picture. I figured it was for the whole game, but those jews split it up into 1 guide per disk. I was a little mad.

>>377762298
When I played Grandia I felt like I was playing a port of a game from say 1996 or so just because I wasn't used to a primarily character sprite based game still existing after playing stuff like FF7 and FF8. Yet somehow I still thought Xenogears was normal. What is wrong with my brain?

>>377765795
Millenia was my original waifu.

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Best grandia incoming

>>377766261
If you played the US version, you played a port. It was originally for the Sega Saturn.

>>377766194
Did it have a more developed story than 1-2? Did it try to go the Square route?

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>>377766194
>Fifth gen jrpg thread?

Ok.

>>377765827
>experienced, fulfilled Justin, having finished his adventure, can settle down with his lovely wife and grow old, telling tales of his exploits to all of his kids by the fireplace
cosy imo

>>377766218
Sure, I'm interested. Wouldn't mind seeing concept art, assuming it has any.

>>377766310
He even almost got the year right. 1997.

>>377766194
It's one of those JRPGs that has so much to do, and so many places to go, lots of enemies, skills, etc., that you could play it again and again. Really great example of why JRPGs are some of the best games.

but 3 is better

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>>377766194
For sure, was a damn good game. BoF3 still holds a special spot in my heart though.

Watched my brother play from the start to when you get Nina in one sitting before we owned a Memory Card for the PS1, so we couldn't save. Was the second RPG we took seriously (with Phantasy Star 3 being the first).

>>377766194
I liked the gameplay and overall atmosphere, but the story was short and left a lot to be desired. It's not better than the first Breath of Firr, but it's certainly #2. BoF2 and 3 suffer from too many irrelevant sidequests and fetch quests that hurt the overall experience

>>377766337
III and IV are so much better, you really should try them. I was capcom trying to catch the jrpg hype in Japan during the mid 90's and II is interesting and definitely more unique and interesting but has some really bad balance problems. III and IV are phenomenal games, play them. IV is one of my all time favorite games in general and has maybe the best turn based combat I have ever found in a jrpg.

>>377766337
See >>377766512

>>377765827
>abandon kids to keep adventuring

Sp basically 90% of all jrpg/anime/manga dads ever.

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>>377766401
Judging by how old Sue is, it isn't that long after the initial adventure. Maybe 10 years or so, he should be in his prime.
>>377766428
1 or 2? They're both just game guides, but have some neat stuff in them.

I prefer the sequel, but the original is still the best example of ADVENTURE for ADVENTURE's sake in all of gaming

And Feena is fucking bae

>>377766512
>BoF1 higher than 2, 3, 4

I didn't think this subset of the BoF fanbase even existed.

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>>377766493
Oh yeah well that's a respectable opinion but I have to say I disagree. I do like III but the pacing can be really slow and it has annoying sections like the dessert of death.
>>377766505
That sounds really cool anon.

Yoshikawa's art is fucking gorgeous, it looks great.
>>377766512
May I ask in what regard? I thought the story had a phenomenal end. The fact Yuna lives gives the story so much more meaning if you mean that.

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>>377766720
This is official

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dont let this thread die. bumping with a classic

>>377766902
Oh, it roughly says "Fiena, giant form" in case you're wondering.

>>377766651
I suppose 1. I'm more familiar with 2 than 1. What's up with the Poseidon looking muthafucka?

What was that Saturn JRPG with the German sounding name that was Japan only? And is their a translated ROM yet?

>>377766902
>Giant waifu

You have my attention.

>>377767048
Der Langrisser?

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Still the best dragon quest game honestly, I can understand why people would say III, IV, or V but how people argue VIII is better then VII just blows my mind.
>>377767048
Wachenröder

It's a weird post apoc/steam punk srpg, I always wanted to play but Japanese only. Looks really cool.

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>>377766976
Might just be cut content. IDK. I love maps like this though, with sea monsters and shit.
>>377767048
It was originally on Saturn, but was eventually localized in English for Playstation.
>>377767101
All I got for that, sorry.

>>377766812
The original is definitely the best. The story flows more smoothly and it doesn't feel like the majority of the game is a side show like in BoF2.

Generally I was hugely disappointed by 2 because it feels like 99% of the game is irrelevant to the interesting main plot, and 3 because it is riddled with fetch quests and irrelevant sidequests that aren't integrated into the main story very well.

BoF1 doesn't have that problem. It has a story to tell and it tells it without all the distraction.

Still, BoF2 had some very interesting parts and the main story of BoF3 might be the best overall. It's just hard to put them above the original because of their glaring flaws

>>377766720
The first two Lunars are also pretty good examples of ADVENTURE too.

Hell in Lunar 1 you start off with a team where you drag your fat friend from childhood with you until shit gets too real, along with the childhood girl friend who wants to play with the boys. It's pretty much childhood: the game. Just like how Grandia 1 starts.

And in Lunar 2 Hiro is an actual explorer of ruins who just gets caught up in shit because he wants dat ass.

>>377766883
I enjoyed my time playing 4 probably more than I did 2 and 3, but I felt like the story didn't really reach its potential. It felt too short and anti-climatic, but then again it's been years since I played it

>>377766493
>one of those JRPGs that has so much to do
Aside from fishing, haha, no.

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>>377767048
>>377767178
Oh, misread, sorry.

I had a lot of fun with pic related, so I figure it deserves mention. The localization wasn't great, but it did a good job of making characters you'd meet on your journey feel like they had a history before they met you. I think it's something a lot of JRPGs lack.

>>377767116
>>377767168
>Wachenröder
>Der Langrisser

Also Söldnerschild.

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>>377767194

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No Golden Sun or Lufia 2?

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>>377767362
Grandia will always be my waifu though.

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>>377767194
For me It's hard to say. IV is the best but things get kind of mixed up after that. BoF1 has a nice focus but is the most simple and "plain". Personally I feel it was a little too safe. BoFII has a lot of interesting things but the execution is very flawed. The shaman system, story, and puzzles on the overworld definitely show that capcom was trying to give BoF a real identity but the balance is just terrible. I feel if it had more playtesting it would be phenomenal. BoFIII has a nice story and better balance but it can be a real slog to play through. It moves at a snail's pace for the first half with little happening. The time skip is better but that's a fair way into the game.
>>377767340
There was some minigames like the sand surfer and the jobs you can do. Also you had the masters and the ability to collect enemy skills. Fishing is also pretty deep, I hear some say BoFIII and IV has better fishing then most fishing games.

Laddies, I really liked Seiken Densetsu 3. I know my tastes are pedestrian, but my five favorite JRPGs are Seiken Densetsu 3, Final Fantasy V, Xenogears, Wild Arms, and Terranigma.

>>377767116
>Der Langrisser
>Der
>Saturn

Nope.

>>377767714
Golden Sun is shit though.
>terrible combat
>dijin system is simple and barely adds to combat
>story is generic
>characters are flatter then paper
>text dumps out the ass with literally nothing of interest being said
>puzzles in dungeons are simple and often are little more then a waste of time

>>377767714
Golden Sun 1 is a 7/10 jrpg.

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I still think this is the greatest JRPG of all time and yes, I've played all of the ones posted in this thread and most of the modern ones.
No other JRPG rewarded good play as much as this game.

Don't make me choose OP, as a lot of other people already showed you, there's a SHITLOAD of great jrpg from the snes~ps2 era it's just ridiculous.

I got to play pretty much all of them back in the day, I don't regret a single minute of those days, such wonderful experiences.

Honorable mentions to Lufia II and Suikoden II.

>>377767976
I bet you haven't even played the non-fucked original version. Think of how much more you'd like it if it wasn't piss easy and written by someone who doesn't speak English

>>377767976
So bland and boring it felt like one step above Beyond the Beyond, Secret of the Stars, or Guardian's Crusade. Combat system would have been great if they had bothered polishing it so it wasn't so janky.

>>377767769
Xenogears was good. It's a shame about that second half of the game, though.

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>>377767925
Those are all valid points but what about Lufia 2 then?
Also on what planet are jrpgs not text heavy?

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>>377766350
its a strategy RPG but damn is it worth your money. If you read japanese.
>200 hours long for all scenarios including premium disc
>graphics that are on par with the best ps1 rpg's
>tons of character models and smooth movement and cool specials/magic
>awesome transparencies
>cool story with memorable characters
>story tie in to shining the holy ark
>god tier music by motoi sakuraba
>excellent gameplay and an innovative feature feature it pioneered known as the friendship system still used today
What do you rate it /v/?
would you like a remake?
would you like to see saturn game on a virtual service or other remakes/ports of saturn titles?

>>377768356
Not him but lufia 2 is the one that shoehorns into the game a romance between the MC and a heroine he just met, right? Or is that lufia 1

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>>377768504
reee ive always wanted to play THIS GODDAMIT NIPPON WHY DO YOU HATE US

>>377768356
The nothing of interest part was the key point. Golden Sun is plagued by dialogue where something happens, and then every character takes their turn recapping whatever it was that you literally just learned. It's one of the worst jrpgs ever made in terms of bloated expositional dialogue.

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>no Persona 4(Vanilla/Golden)

Press turn makes every turnbased game obsolete to me

>>377768716
>Golden Sun is plagued by dialogue where something happens, and then every character takes their turn recapping whatever it was that you literally just learned
Sound like persona 5.

>>377768747
Sucks for you.

Grandia 2 was better.

>>377768356
I haven't played Lufia 2, I won't talk about that game.

The problem isn't too much text, it's too much pointless text. The story isn't deep or interesting. This wouldn't be terrible but for some reason the game just dumps so much pointless text on you. I believe combined the scripts of GS1 and 2 are over 130,000 words long. It's fucking ridiculous.
>>377768504
>>377768649
Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't part 2 and 3 translated by fans? Just play those.

>>377768738
Your mediocre high school simulator isn't that great m8. Sorry to break it to you.

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>>377768649
it has a translation forgot to add that
and it's 99.99% complete and playable

>>377766350
I bought a repro of Lucienne's Quest a little while back (I know, I know), but I haven't played it yet. The memory requirements for the 3DO game seems extremely high for a system with next to no memory as is.

I got it mostly because I'm kinda in to Micro Cabin games. And I have a 3DO, lol.

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Don't mind me just posting the real best JRPG

>>377768997
Not really. The plot is ok, but the writing itself is trash. That much padding is disrespectful to your audience.

>>377768504
>if you read japanese

Scenario 1 was officially released in English, and Scenarios 2, 3 and the Premium Disc have had translations for like 15 years and can be played patched into English on a Saturn. There's even a cleaned up version of the Scenario 1 translation.

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>>377768883
>>377769202
yeah my bad forgot to add that

Can anyone recommend the ps1 Persona games? I hear silly things about Persona 1, but maybe 2 is a bit better?

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>>377767365
>all srpgs

And so is pic. Why do srpgs love German (or German sounding) titles?

>>377769361
I hear P2 has arguably the best story and writing of the persona series but the worst gameplay. Take that as you will.

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>>377769361
The Persona 2 Duology is the best Persona game. Also, it has Hitler.

I love Rpgs but more often then not I feel like they're pretty easy, battles becoming more of a chore than anything. Can you guys recommend some harder rpgs? I've already played most SMT games.

>>377768905
Prices on real copies have plummeted. Saw a good one go for under $200 the other day. Would have gotten it if I didn't have one already. Granted, no long box, but copies with the disc, case, case insert and manual used to fetch $400.

>>377769803
Maybe try the SaGa games. They're open world, discourage grinding, and are extremely difficult.

>>377764523
I just wanted to see if anyone played that piece of shit.

>>377769803
Probably something action based like nier automata. Turn based battles are usually pretty easy because the primary challenge is in preparation. Wise players will go into battle with tactics prepared in advance that make the battle more trivial.

>>377770112
Meh I'm looking for something more like turn based, or srpg. I've already played tactic ogres and final fantasy tactics

>>377762298
>perma-missable magic

no

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>replayed Grandia II after it came out on steam
>it's just as amazing as i remembered it

>>377762298
>saturn emulation never so it always be a huge pain in the ass to play the best verison of Grandia.

Life sucks

>>377770230
If you want challenging srpgs, try Hoshigami, Natural Doctrine and Eternal Poison. They make FFT and TO look like Rhapsody.

Note I never said good.

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Best female Grandia character coming through. She was everything I wanted in a teammate/waifu.

>>377767973
Try 5/10 at best. Lagoon has a comparable story, and it's trash.

>>377768771
Persona 5 at least has the decency to only have three characters recap it max and bothers to add dialogue quirks to them. Every single Golden Sun character speaks the same, and that's not just a localization thing. Character voice is fucking nonexistant.

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>>377762298

Sure

>>377768504
It tried a lot of things but fuck me if the graphics weren't butt fugly. I don't want a remake, I just want the rest 2/3rds of the game translated and released. Just translation, so it's cheap, on a psn or xbla or mii shop or gog or wherever.

>>377770230
How about Jeanne d'Arc?

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Whats your favorite Move, /v/?

>>377770348
>saturn emulation never

Except there is.

SSF works fine. Once you get past the huge learning curve of using it. There are guides.

>>377768997
Overrated and its an acquired taste. stop reccomending it to everyone

>>377766505
BoF3 had way more heart

>>377770627
Are you trolling me? I thought there wasn't anything and I had given up for a future where I can (reasonably) play it.

>>377770351
>Note I never said good
oh
>>377770025
>Maybe try the SaGa games
Should I start with Frontier?
>>377770504
>How about Jeanne d'Arc?
I'll look into it thanks

>>377770504
>one of the absolute easiest srpgs ever made

He wants something hard.

>>377770642
How about you fuck off and die, bitch? If you see it everywhere then maybe the problem is you.

Now that you've posted this dumbass shit i will be sure to recommend it in every thread I see

>>377770627
Not him but Grandia runs like garbage on SSF. Graphical glitches everywhere.

>>377770230
Wild Arms XF is probably the best SRPG to date.

And that's coming from someone who replays FFT probably once every two years.

It requires a lot more strategy than most SRPGs

>>377770743
No, dude. There has been Saturn emulation for fucking years. And it has been refined to a fairly bearable level. People saying that there isn't or that it's still terrible is a meme that refuses to die for some reason.

>>377770348
As a fucking HUGE Grandiafag, you aren't missing much playing the playstation version. Some transparency stuff and very minor texture alterations. Not sure if you'd even notice outside of Parm.

>>377766920
More like parasite Steve

>>377762298
Grandia is not the best JRPG ever made, but it's in the top 10 easily.

The main thing that holds it back above all minor flaws is the pacing. It's not just long, it's really fucking dense, and the story progression goes from drip-fed to floodgate and back without any consistency.

It is the single best JRPG for experiencing a full-fledged "adventure", from innocence to experience. Gameplay was unforgiving as shit too, really had to know what you were doing.

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>>377770887
XF isn't even the best hex grid one.

>And that's coming from someone who replays FFT probably once every two years.

Regularly playing a broken entry level genre piece isn't saying much.

>>377770584
all explosion magic

also white apocalypse

https://youtu.be/LKNmFpVIGIM?t=38

>>377770661
I don't know the scene where Cray has to kill Elena is pretty worth of tears.
>>377770767
Try the final fantasy legends games. These are are actually SaGa games but given the FF brand name in the US to help increase sales. This is how most people start the franchise. /vr/ has a VERY dedicated general for this series, ask around there as those guys probably can help more then I can.

Also it's a acquired taste but breath of fire 5 is seen as a pretty tough game. Often players quit due to how punishing the game can be. It's like a jrpg/survival horror hybrid. Most don't like it but it certainty is unique and interesting.

FFXIV deserves a spot in this conversation. It's a really fun RPG with hundreds of hours of content and the MMO aspect really adds to the experience.

>>377771185
But the whole intro sequence of Boy-Ryu and his pals is just magical

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FFVIII is not a good game. Not trying to say otherwise. But it is my favorite 5th gen jrpg. I replay it every year a little differently.

>>377766083

Wasn't able to get into this one. I tried to make a weapon for each element or affinity or whatever but I still ended up doing very little damage. I have a feeling a lot of people who played it used a walkthrough or at least tips. I did get past the forest maze, tho, and I do appreciate the phenomenal presentation.

>>377767976

Legend of Dragoon is probably the easiest game on ps1. And that is saying a lot considering the final fantasy games are also on ps1. Too bad we never got the japanese difficulty.

>>377766920

Played Parasite Eve last year and thoroughly enjoyed it. Fantastic music and characters. Battle system felt a little bit like a more simplistic chrono trigger but you're without a party and can move during combat.

>>377770584
Spellbinding Eye made every boss fight a joke

https://youtu.be/RILrJY2X3tU?t=71

>>377770918
SSF has been abandoned for years, "refined" is the absolute last word you should use to describe it.

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>>377762298
Just started this game its fucking amazing and I only just beat the first.
>Spend the first hours of this game getting a basics of the combat
>Fight the first boss.
>kick It's ass so hard it never gets a chance to attack.
Shit made me feel like a bad ass one of the best battle systems I ever played.

I also love Sue and Justin so far they're characters are very enjoyable. justins a young badass and their pretty funny together. I hope they grow up and end up together in the ending.

Anyways any tips for a new guy like me before I go back too playing.

>>377771362
Find a guide for magic eggs.

Those are the only missables you need to care about

>>377768997
this is the most normal rpg ever

>>377771261
Fair enough killing Teepo is definitely a pretty sad moment. It's just BoFIV is a gut punch from beginning to end with the hexed villages, learning the town of children was tortured and killed, and mami being used as the sacrifice in the hex cannon.

>>377771362
Don't be ashamed of using a guide for one thing, it is one of the worst games of that era for permanently missable content, and there's no reason to replay it at all after you've beaten it.

DO NOT give Sue any permanent stat enhancement items. I'm not telling you why.

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I'm gonna go with Xenoblade Chronicles as one of my all time favorite JRPGs. Now y'all don't have to agree with me, this game still has its faults, but goddamn if you don't think this game has an amazing setting, and cast then get outta my face.

I have hopes XC2 will be extremely good, but probably won't surpass it's predecessor.

Also OP I need to try Grandia. It's been backlogged ;_;

i think grandia II had a really good battle system.
has any other rpg done that where you attack an enemy and it causes them delay in turns?

fuck ffx's delay attack and buster that's out of the picture. i'm looking for an actual mechanic

>>377771357
Compared to Yaubase, Satourne and Saturnin, it absolutely is. But it is unfortunate that jack shit has been done in the community since then.

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>>377771475
>>377771667
Thanks I guess i'll use a guide then was trying not to use one but its alright every RPG has that shit that practically forces you to look it up on the internet.


Also thanks for the heads up on sue but I really don't like how that sounds.

>>377772038
Trust me just use it for magic eggs, that's the most important thing you need to not miss

>>377771130
Elena was OP as shit. I set her up so that she had item proficiency x 2 & recovery, and have her used the staffs that had free magic cast when used as items. She has naturally high magic power so it was a great combo. When she wasn't doing that, she was stunlocking everything on screen with her mastered nightmare bell. She just carried 100% of the game by herself whenever she was playable.

>>377771972
Comparing to barely functional emulators is pointless. No one cares how good an emulator is relative to the other ones, they care about whether or not they can play a game. And that anon is going to open up Grandia in SSF and see graphical glitching all over the place and then kick himself for believing you.

>>377770463
Will never understand what people see in this game other than maybe because it came out at a time when home console JRPGs were very scarce and so people grabbed onto whatever they could.

Also it seemed like people latched onto this game as a counterpoint to FF13, so it gets praise because it was traditional whereas FF13 threw out conventions that fans of the genre value a lot like explorations, towns, simple adventures, and so on.

Other than that, it's hard to see why people would think it's a good game, let alone one of the best. Dull, slow combat with no tactics or thought required, generic story with mostly personality-less characters. The MC has character but only because it's painstakingly built up by the short stories littered throughout the game (incidentally written by an award winning author, who clearly did not write the main scenario). The combat is actually broken because of the res mechanic, too.

Am I missing something with this game?

>>377770230
Vandal Hearts 1+2, Shining Force 3

Good games, although almost everyone hates VH2 for some reason

>>377772038
Just out of curiosity, how far in are you?

>>377771832
Radiant Historia, Riviera, and Arcturus are only ones I can think of besides Grandia games.

>>377772283
>Am I missing something with this game?
I imagine being an Xbox babby who likes RPGs is suffering so he probably took what he could get

>>377771813
SATORL MARSH NIGHT

I was almost in tears, it's absolutely beautiful both visually and musically, the fact that I got there at night time the first time and was surrounded by lv 80+ mobs made it all the more intimidating too.

Amazing game.

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>>377770486
check out the zephyrus spell
fucking perfection
I guess your right but to me the models look on par to ffvii

>>377770230
shining force 3 scenario uno dos y tres
primo disco es muy bueno porque finalmente

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>>377772403
30 minutes after killing the first boss so barely into the real game. I'll be meeting some green hair girl soonish I think.

>>377772138
Pretty much any character could be op as shit if you set them up right. My favorite is stacking Tio with counter and evade. You could win battles by just defending and waiting for the counters.

That's my main complaint with Grandia 2 battle wise. Once you get one or two characters leveled up enough that you have their insta-cancels, the game is almost impossible to lose. With the latest PC port on hard mode, this happens around where you fight the Eye I mean, the tongue is trivial too, but I think it's supposed to be Spellbinding Eye is such a joke that the final boss didn't get a single attack off on me. It's so fucking broken.

If they had added the requirement to run up to the enemy for melee skill like the first Grandia, and then the juggle mechanics from the 3rd, 2 would have been a lot better.

>>377770230
Etrian Odyssey

>>377770584
My heart holds a special place for the Wailing Soul Slash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRpDJ3Yikzo

>>377773016
>I'll be meeting some green hair girl soonish I think.
You've got another hour or two

>>377762298
Whatever happened to JRPGs being wonderful exciting adventures, anyhow?
Grandia feels so innocent and pure compared to modern stuff.

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>>377770230

>>377768504
It's an amazing game. The whole religious sect influencing politics thing made for an interesting story, and the game itself had lots of challenge and secret, hidden stuff.

I played scenario 1 from start to finish several times, but could never get that far into scenario 2 on an emulator. It seemed a lot shittier than scenario 1, but it might've just been me.

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The feels here have never been matched in any other game for me.

>>377773016
Oh my sweet summer child

You better buckle in, you've got a very long road ahead of you. You're going to feel the need to drop it over some of the ridiculous dungeons, but don't. Everything has a payoff in this game.

>>377772353
Vandal Hearts is rad.
I wish there were more games that did the shit it pulled off with it's maps- there was a ton of dynamic stuff on almost every level.

>>377773581
Meh, the only (non bonus) dungeon that's really bullshit are the god damn Dom Ruins I've beaten the game several times and I get lost at that point ever god damn time. The rest are pretty easy to navigate.

>>377773069
I disagree, the character natural stats do matter. Can't make Mareg as fast as Tio. Can't make Elena as tanky as Mareg. etc

>>377773832
Yeah, the stats matter. What I'm saying is that any character could be pretty broken if you gave them the right five star skills. I never really tried that hard with Mareg though, for *reasons*

>>377773351
During fifth gen games as a whole became less whimsical. In terms of jrpgs look at the most popular one of that era, FFVII. It was grim and dealt with themes of death, animal experimentation, and abuse. Games wanted to tell more deeper stories and naturally more and more developers took this route as things like FFVII, MGS, and SH proved these more mature stories and characters did sell. The audience for games has become much older then what it used to be. People in their 20's and 30's weren't as thought about by most developers then.

For me I appreciate both sides. Sometimes I do want a more whimsical, just feel good plot. Other times I do want to be interested in what happens next and become curious of character's motives and such.

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This game but nobody played it.
>The most dogshit beautiful spritework ever made
>it's fuck huge
>it's not mash x to win like 99% of the games ITT
>story isn't horseshit

>>377773783
Yeah, especially in 2 where you'd have to get some treasure chest in an absurdly difficult-to-reach position by terraforming tiles, creating stepping stone crates, and so on.

The starting town in Grandia is one of the comfiest places in all of vidya

>>377774207
I own that, never finished. looooong game.

>>377774207
This game looks great, never heard of it

>>377774327
Go finish it faggot

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>>377766083
Vagrant Story has it's flaws, but the atmosphere and the soundtrack are both amazing. It's a really unique game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM7RIUgYIoU

>>377769562
Because Simulation RPGs are a genre descended from prussian war simulation games

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>>377762298
Terranigma counts as a JRPG, right?
I wouldn't call it the best but it's one of my favorites.

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>>377762298
You posted the wrong image OP.

>>377768997
Not after Cold Steel happened, it isn't.

>>377770584
GADWIN'S SECRET MOVE

>>377774031
Few agree with me on this, but while more of the best JRPGs are on PS1, PS2 was the true golden era for JRPGs.

In PS1 a lot of titles still felt experimental, while some hit gold. In PS2, we saw the genre mature, expand, and really blow out a ton of great experiences. Just look at the sheer diversity of titles of that time

>Final Fantasy X/XI/XII
>Dragon Quest VIII
>Kingdom Hearts
>Random Growlansers
>Disgaea + other N1 games
>Mana Khemias
>Suikoden 3/4/5
>Wild Arms 3/4/5
>Xenosaga 1/2/3
>Persona 3/4
>Random Ateliers
>Random Tales
>Random Ar Tonelico
>Star Ocean III
>Rogue Galaxy
>Dark Clouds
>Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter
>dotHack
>A random Legaia
>Radiata Stories
>Shadow Hearts

You have the whole gamit of space fantasy to medieval fantasy to magic schools to modern real-world with magic

And these weren't just churn. Many of these were good if not great.

But there were too many and it all fell apart and the PS3 was fuck awful

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SKIES OF MOTHERFUCKING ARCADIA

I love everything about the game, even the annoying random battles, I know it might not be objectively the best, but for me it is, and it's definitively a good game on its own too!

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>>377762298
Hello.

>>377765468
The combat was weighed down with too much over embellishment and flare, and as good as the skill learning system was it was crippled by how combursome it was to check how close you were to earning that next move because of how poorly stats are displayed during a level up.
The fact that the characters are randomly thrown out of the party sucks even more when you put so much work into building their skills, which discourages you from even caring about developing the new characters that come in.

and that's just the battle system problems. I could make a thread about what an unholy combo the game's camera and dungeon design was.

This was the worst RPG I played on the playstation.

>>377775126
I tell every FF fan that this is the better FF 7.
I'm serious about it

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Post soundtracks.

BoFIV's more Asian influenced music was always interesting to me. Felt very ominous and tense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ayyi5_h2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCSAqplG8Jg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GsxAmsvBrc

>>377769803
Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song if you want to go balls to the wall.

>>377767976
It's a pure RPG with a lot of safe decisions that took as much advantage of being sony produced as it could.

The game is so damn lucky it turned out as well as it did.

recently played grandia 2 on steam

the lack of polish was astounding

>>377775273
This is an EOP board, anon

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>implying Barkley: Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden isn't the best JRPG vidcon ever made

>>377773783
>>377772353
I think it more or less demonstrates that Konami were the masters of their craft in the PS1 era.

The geniuses working there must have thought "what makes a SRPG boring? slogging through samey maps over and over again" The solution? Make every map its own special thing, often with its own gimmicks and interactivity.

>>377770230
if you really want to be hardcore, you can emulate the PS1 remake of Wizardry, the first RPG. That game is brutal. All the Wizardry games are brutal. The only way to win is to learn all about how to use the system to your advantage, and even then a ninja can insta-kill half your party with a lucky decapitation.

>>377775401
and you are right

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>>377776494
Wizardry 4 exists solely to fuck you in the ass with a rake.
It's an exercise in level design cruelty.

>>377775436
shining force 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSLd5mICQ4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKwuokpwEZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x161_QXhDlE&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi&index=39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPNLaCvMLA&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi&index=50

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>>377775436
Lunar: Silver Star Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ73AT6KIWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_epOZuxNTFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlCbCl4cZts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tLyzi_U3s

>>377777436
Dear god, the PS1 version's soundtrack sounds awful.

Wasn't Grandia 1 supposed to come to steam?

>>377765549
>generic
Tell that to Ys VIII. Sen I & II were rushed, and Tokyo Xanadu was recycled to hell and back, but Falcom is great as long as they don't bite off more than they can or should chew (and this was true back in the day). VIII does a lot to make the party system more attractive to old-school fans, starting with item/money restrictions, better skills and platforming, much needed increases in challenge from Seven, etc. I've heard really good impressions, enough to make it worth an import.

Sen III should also be a big improvement, assuming it concludes the plot in Erebonia.

>>377773392
Mednafen's Saturn core seems perfect for this, other than no options to up resolution. I really need to savor my run of Shining Force III once I'm ready.

>>377777539
It's better than playing the snore-fest of the Sega CD version or the butchered PSP version.

>>377777695
Bullshit. It sounds like something from a cheap MIDI keyboard.

>>377777739
Is there a translation of the Sega Saturn version to be found anywhere? It has the best audio.

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>>377765795
>>377766279
>satanic bipolar bitch

Eh no thanks. My best friend is a loli so I'm good.

>>377778018
Nah. Funny enough, Working Designs initially wanted to translate the Saturn version, but Sega of America didn't let them since they didn't think a game like Lunar had any market potential in the US.

The irony here? Lunar 1 Complete ended up being Working Designs' best selling title with over 500,000 sold.

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>>377778162
I win

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>>377770584

/v/ slash

>>377778173
It's a shame that Lunar 2 never got the treatment that Lunar 1 consistently gets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRZZ0ZaZRQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphiiB7Md7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHQiU3lpFJY

>>377777695
>PS version better than CD

Silver Star:
CD > PS > PC > Saturn v2 > Saturn v1 > PSP > iOS > GBA

Eternal Blue:
CD > PS > Saturn

>>377770584
Purple Lightning was very appealing

what's the most overrated jrpg?

>>377778768

That depends, what's your favourite JRPG?

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>>377778540
>/v/ slash

>>377778768
FFIV

>>377776494
>Wizardry
>the first RPG

It wasn’t.

>>377778768
Probably Chrono Trigger, it's a really good game, but not nearly as perfect or amazing as everyone makes it out to be. It plays everything really safe, doesn't really innovate in any way, and just kind of polishes what other RPGs have already done at the time.

>>377778768
In terms of praise given vs. praise deserved? Probably Legend of Dragoon.

Overrated doesn't necessarily mean bad. In this case it does.

>>377774723
Good thing he posted Sky, not Cold Steel.

>>377771554
Quest 64 is eons more vanilla, and that's just one example.

>>377775126
Encounter frequency in Legends is bearable for the first half and suddenly great once you equip White Map on Vyse. It's really not as big a problem as others make it out to be, unless you're playing on Dreamcast. Battle system's almost redeemed by the more creative Bounty fights, but it's not central for a reason (I really like the final boss though). Lots of fun to be had in this game, even with lore.

>>377775436
Shadow Hearts, the original

China bosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9yvVhnCeM
London: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsItOqr5zRk
Main theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM9TJ-Syv-c
Europe bosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggV1OE0fey8
Infamous cinematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXwD83_fy98
Monastery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy34EuW7J6Q
Getting industrial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c1CLEl7AMs
Prague: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP2TYYfbfjg
Shanghai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hTmAFPqN-o

>>377778569
The PC version's FMVs are a sight to behold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx3isKQCRcc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48M1gPNPmK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlvHi7FGCYg

>>377775126
This was the definitive jrpg of my childhood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LAhY_uRnI

>>377762298
That isn't Live a Live you idiot.

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Anyone hyped for the remake?
The new character art looks like shit

>>377779475
Yeah, I actually should have put PC over PS.

>>377778964
First turn-based party dungeon-crawler then?

Did Ultima and Akalabeth come before Wizardry? I thought that predated those two.

>>377779736
Yeah, that the flying FUCK were they thinking with that art direction?

I love that game's battle system. Aht broke the shit out of it, but getting to that breaking point was super fun.

How much of the game is there left after you get over the wall? I stopped cause I was burnt out.

>>377779984
Most of it.

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>>377779903
Best girl looks awful now. Hopefully we are able to change the artstyle back or something. Not sure how I feel about the voice acting yet, hopefully they don't make an english dub.

>>377779826
Akalabath predates Ultima and Wizardry. There were numerous other rpgs before Ultima and Wizardry, although not all were party-based. The first dungeon crawler was the original roguelike, which was, well, Rogue, obviously. There was a Wizardry beta before Ultima, but Ultima predates the full version of Wizardry 1.

>>377780332

good i'll have to start it again.

>>377778408
Justin's mom was my favorite
>when your mom was lowkey the world's equivalent of Blackbeard

>>377780581
and lowkey implies she'd like to fuck you

>>377779023
this, desu
it's polished but ultimately kinda derivative

>>377780664
I-I don't remember that part, anon.

>>377763129
>>377765837
These anons get it.

>>377773375
I bought Vanguard Bandits on a whim when I was a kid and then later resold it for like 3 cents. I regret it every passing day.

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>>377762298
>>377775126
>>377779615

picrelated is from the Official Dreamcast Magazine

>>377778768
FF Tactics. Seemed so dull at the time and still today compared to others of the same genre.

But with this kind of thing there's no point in getting mad about it. With JRPGs, where there's more emphasis on side-elements like story, characters, music, overall feeling the game gives you, it's always going to be super subjective in a way which games that are more solely focused on gameplay aren't; that is, a good FPS or RTS is more likely to have a consensus about how good it is as compared to a JRPG where you'll always get a huge load of detractors even if the game is otherwise super popular just because, for them, the more subjective elements didn't work.

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>>377768031
>Honorable mentions to Lufia II and Suikoden II.

Suikoden 2 is easily one of the better JRPGs on the system and that's saying a lot considering PS1 was a genre powerhouse. It just got overshadowed by all the bigger names.

>>377767362
>star ocean 2

literally the only good game in a series that somehow kept getting sequels.

>>377766194
3 and 4 are probably on par for me. Just comes down to which I prefer playing at the moment.

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>>377767168
>DQ7
I really need to play the 3DS version to see what they've done with the back because GODDAMN there's a reason why I never felt any desire to replay the original.

>>377763591
fucking love IX

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>>377765513
It's a goddamn travesty PDS is stuck on Saturn.

>>377765827
>you consider that Justin either has to stop his adventures to take care of his kids, or abandon them.
He is done with adventuring, that's the entire point. When he set out on his journey he was a naive little kid that wanted to see the world and have exciting things happen to him, but over the course of his adventure he grows, becomes a man, falls in love, saves the world, and is ultimately becomes able to appreciate the smaller things in life and just settle down to build a life for himself and Feena, a family.
The entire journey is one big coming of age story.

>>377783513
GEORG
MOTHER
FUCKING
PRIME

>>377766290
I really digged the battle and magic system, but everything else was "meh" as fuck. Evan just didn't feel as fun of a main character as Ryudo.

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Do you guys think that JRPG's could benefit from western quest design like say from the Witcher 3? Meaty side quests with little repetition.

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The Metal Max series has objectively the best monster designs in all of JRPGs.

>>377778162
>Millenia
>Satanic
She just wanted love and to be acknowledged. She would even die for the man she loves. 100% guaranteed to be faithful for your entire life.

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>>377787063
That dog is a party member, though.
This one, on the other hand, is not.

>>377787109
It's a tragedy non of the nintendo handheld games were translated.

>>377787251
I mean, Metal Saga did get a western release for whatever reason.
The DS one never got translated, sadly. That one looked neat.

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>>377787385
Their were multiple ds/3ds games. I heard that Only Metal Saga was translated because of it had awful sales which I blame on the terrible box art.

>>377787510
Yeah, the nip boxart looked more western than the actual western release.
It's really odd.

>>377770584

SKYE TAKE FLIGHT
HERE GOES

FLYING
TEN
SEI
KEN

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>>377787574
I was 16 when it came out and if I didn't know about the series reputation beforehand I would of never bought it do to the awful box art just fucking awful.

>>377771321
I appreciate your tastes.

>>377768630
You mean Selan? He mentioned from the beginning she's hot as fuck and he fell in love right from the start where he saw her fighting. And throughout the game she grows to him and shows her affection openly, and the ending is fucking heartbreaking, so don't tell me they 'shoe horned' a romance in

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This game has objectively the best combat in the series, however the story is terrible and the english VAs make it even worse. Play the undub and never touch the english release.

>>377762298
GAME GAVE ME HEMORRHOIDS!
I mean they were probably from a long time of bad diet and a sedentary lifestyle catching up to me, but I was playing grandia when I first noticed the pink when I wiped!

Can never finish this game because it was so traumatic to me.

I also hate the matrix for the same reason.

>>377789318
kek

>>377789318

ok i lold

grandia 2 >

What was that one older game with the female character wearing overalls that were skintone or something so it looked almost like she was naked

>>377787658
that was so gay but also so cool

>>377779736
>>377779903
>>377780365
IT'S OKAY GOYIM, JUST BUY THE ORIGINAL ART DLC!

>>377766010
The difficulty spike was the only flaw.

>>377771667
>Using any permanent stat up consumables ever
I always have a ton of them lying around at the end of every RPG.

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>>377789393
well I'm glad my bleeding butt is funny to you!
I was just 19 or so and I didn't know what hemorrhoids was!
Just laying low, leaving people alone and playing games AND THEN MY BUTT HURTS AND BLEEDS!
Went to my doctor and he told me it was my Prostate and I needed to masturbate more....
MORE?

Two weeks later I'm back cuz to improvement, turns out it's INTERNAL HEMORRHOIDS..... and my dick hurts and my prostate's really swollen now FOR SOME REASON!

Almost 20 years later and I'm still a cronic masturbate and my prostate is like the red screaming demon egg from Berserk!

THANKS GRANDIA!

>>377789129
this.