>Disgaea 5 doesn't have the worst characters in the franchi-

What's been up with all the Disgaea threads the past week or so? I know it's popular on /v/ but is there some announcement I missed?

>>377758329
Are you retarded?

>>377758430
Not much more than this thread

>>377758329
Switch version tomorrow

>Disgaea 5 Complete
>Not Disgaea 5: An Alliance Reformed

Missed chances

>>377758905
>didn't add any new content this time.
Lame.

>>377759215
>exists

Stupid.

>>377759215
I saw one review erroneously claim Disgaea 4: A Promise Revisited cut content. It justled my rimmies more than I thought it would

>>377758187
Seraphina is cute. Cute!

>>377759434
Only when she's a mutilated corpse

>>377758187
The worst characters will always be Laharl and Flonne.

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>>377759434

Which character was it that had an idle animation looking like she was strumming an air guitar?

It was pretty rad, I'd like to see it again.

That's not A Brighter Darkness

>>377759503
*tip*

>>377758187
>Caring about any character but generic units.
Generic units are the best.

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>>377758187
-se

>>377759389
Technically, it did. It removed a bit of voice acting that was added to the dub of the original PS3 version.

>>377759606
Sound like something that Asagi would do, but fuck her, she will never be a main character so who cares.

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>>377759774

>>377758187
Are the stories in Disgaea getting worse or better? I'm not into grindfest gameplay

I still think Fuuka is the worst character in this series but D4 just has such a good cast

>>377760461
Worse.

OP's pic is exhibit A.

>>377760461
the first game had the worst story.

I was basically an episode of carebears or my little pony. D1fags need to grow up.

>>377760461
1 is alright. 2 is eh. 3 is literally the worst then 4 and 5 are just mediocre shitshows.

Purely story. Opinions vary largely on how much of a pedophile you are.

>>377760564
>>377760708
What's the best story one then? I only played 2

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Why are all the best girls in Disgaea not actually from Disgaea?

>>377760461

They are all hit or miss.

>>377761054
Is her game getting a sequel or not?

>>377760116
>>377759606
newfaggot

>>377759643
>dub
Well I guess that's why I never noticed. Still, seems a bit disingenuous.

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>>377761361
it already did. But she's not in it.

>>377758187
>best girl
>worst character
/v/ is a shell of its former self

>>377761361
The questions should be like:

Will Metallia's game be ported to the Switch because of Disgaea 5's selling a lot more than its Ps4 release?

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>there are autistic losers in this very thread who hate the best character in the series

Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>>377760943
Not him, but I'd argue D1 has the best story: characters have arcs that resolve, which gives the events of the story actual meaning. D2 is relatively inoffensive (I liked it, but I like cheesy shonen trash). D3 had some alright parts, D4 is overall alright, and D5 is terrible. Just godawful, the characters are unsympathetic and the story doesn't feel like it matters.

I don't remember much about DD2, but I didn't finish it because I didn't like how they threw away all the characterization from D1. It's like they completely forgot what they had written for the first game.

>>377762397
doesn't D5 have the best gameplay though?

>>377762573
Oh, yeah, for sure. The question was mostly about the story, but if you don't give a fuck about the story, just play D5 for grindan' SRPG.

>>377762714
that will be the reason for my purchase tomorrow, yes.

>>377762791
Yeah, well, I hope you have fun.

>>377762573
>>377762714
D5 has the best gameplay yes, however the story is not up to par, that would be the consensus.

However in regards to the Story is all about opinions here, there is nothing really concrete about it tho.

Some characters are nicely developed, some are not, overall i personally enjoyed but i was not thrilled, what made me stick to it was Usalia

>>377763014
>opinions
Yeah, but mine are right.

>Usalia
She was one of the characters I did like from D5.

>Buy Disgaea PC to support such developer behavior
>Hardly get into it
>download D5 demo on Switch
>Play it more than is healthy

Am I weird?

Maybe it's because I can play it on a hueg TV or a handheld to grind on the go, and the graphics are a lot nicer too

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>>377763140
You and i may share different opinions regarding story, but at least we can agree on something.

through dick, unity.

>>377760915
I really liked D4's a lot, but I think it was mostly due to how much I loved Valvatorez. By far, he is my favorite of the Disgaea protagonists.

>>377763680
IWASHI!!!!

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>>377763370
Nah. Disgaea 1's gameplay has aged poorly. The later Disgaea games have a ton of QoL improvements that make them much more enjoyable to play, IMO.

>>377763509

>>377763680
Disgaea 4 is a weird case with its protagonists because for all intents and purposes, they don't grow as characters in the slightest except for Emizel. All of them are more or less the same people at the end of the story as they are at the beginning, and for some reason, it just works. Most of their growth is us as the player seeing what made them what they are now, so in a way they they're very static, but at the same time rather deep. Compare it to any other game in the franchise where most protags have to learn something about themselves or their feelings or something they've missed all their lives.

It's jarring, but it works. I won't say the entire cast is perfect, but it's definitely refreshing.

>>377764469
Now that reminds me of Killia's other self

>"Unleash me and ill kill Void Dark for you
>"No i cant you are too powerfull for me to contain once unleashed"
>*He is finnaly unleashed*
>Gets rekt by Void

like pottery

>>377764469
This is a pretty good point. I would have maybe liked to see Fuka especially have more development, but I found most of the other characters pretty compelling.

>>377758187
>princess overlord of gorgeous
Rozalin could have that as a pet name instead of a title like this girl

>>377758187
She's nowhere near as bad as Fuka or the shitty angel in 4. Or any character from 3.

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>>377763140
>Liking Usa "we can't kill Marjoly or we'll be no different to her" lia

>>377758782
I was sent my collectors edition today.

Holy shit you can get Seraphina's bunny costume in the Switch version. Well, that's technically new content for me. Plus, they added a seperate trophy menu to replace PS4 trophies. Nice to see this isn't a shitty no effort port.

>>377767001
>Plus, they added a seperate trophy menu to replace PS4 trophies.
Wait, the Switch still doesn't have achievements?

>>377767096
No, third parties weren't into Nintendo policies on a potential achievement system which required in game rewards so they just decided to drop the idea.

>>377758187
So what's up with the characters in D5? Do they stay this bland throughout the game or do they actually develop into fun characters later on?

>>377767165
Damn, that would've been a lot better than getting imaginary points.

>>377767557
They're all pretty bland and get a designated chapter of one-dimensional development so I guess it comes down to personal taste whether you liked them or not. I thought Killia was okay and I actually ended up liking him the most despite thinking a lot of his motivations for what he did was retarded. Usalia was pretty good too, don't have much to say about her though. Void Dark was entertaining enough I guess, and the rest I feel pretty neutral about. I think the only character I started disliking was Seraphina around her character arc, but I was fine with her by the end of the game.

>>377758187
>Seraphina isn't best gi-

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>>377768293
Yes, that's right.

>>377758187
does cemu emulate this well

>>377768518
3 was the first game RPCSX3 got working, so probably.

>>377768518
I think Cemu only emulates Wii U games.

>>377768518
>does cemu emulate a PS4/Switch game?

>>377768518
>wii u

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>>377758187
Oh shit, It looks like you uploaded the wrong image OP. Here, let me help you

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>>377768518

Why is she so ugly?

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Post your favorite generic or monster.

Who are the must haves for D5?

>>377771949
I haven't gotten too far into the game, but I know the Sage is important if you want to powerlevel very efficiently. You can pretty much just go with whoever you want for the main story though.

>>377758187
Fuka is by far the worst girl in all of Disgaea, she makes every single scene she is in worse.
I have no idea why the gooks like her so much.

whats the appeal of disgaea games?
story?
characters?
combat?

i just started the 5 demo. it looks like the game can get pretty grindy what with having to level up skills and so many party members

>>377772886
grindan

>>377771625
Favourite generic is Thief, so I'm glad 5 made her a lot more useful than she used to be.

>>377772886
I like both story and characters, but they're very anime, and not always the best. Combat and special moves can be fun, but it comes down to stats and grinding, especially if you want to do the postgame. Main plot is usually manageable without very much grinding if you commit to your characters of choice.

>>377759389
>>377759643
If I recall correctly it also removed the option to use the classic sprites.

>>377758187
Lion girl was the worst tho.

>Literally the same plot-device as Artina in D4.

>>377772886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSW9t4UGMw4

I only played Disgaea 1 and a bit of 2. How is 5? Enjoyable story/characters? As grindy as Disgaea 1 or are there lots of tricks to get max level faster?

>>377765463
Fuka is an odd case for me. The fact that they stood right on the edge of her having legitimate character development and then went "lol nah scrap that" makes me feel they were aware of the way they were taking their characters and did so specifically to keep this going.

I actually like what they did with Emizel since he worked off the (comparatively) mature leads of Val and Fenrich who, if not all there, definitely looking at things from the big picture more than most. I really wish they had gone that route with Fuka but chances are it would have just been undone in the next game anyway like every other cameo.

>>377772886
The characters are really fun and cute. Grind is also just kinda mindless.

>>377773469
No more Stronger Enemies Bill there is a new Cheat Shop System that you can modify enemy levels and EXP/Mana/HL by postgame you can have a 1000% bonus to one. Innocents are easier to farm..

Story is serious like D2, and it has one of the shortest postgames and smallest cast

>>377773335
>Lion Girl

Are you talking about Lieze? Liezerota is still better than Seraphina by the sole reason of not annoying the player like Seraphina. Sure, it is mostly because Liezerota was basically too "dead" to annoy anyone outside of the final boss battle but that is irrelevant. That boring cuck called Seraphina was probably the only annoying main character in the entire game and the story gains nothing from her existence.

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>>377773570
To be fair though, the reason she can keep up with the rest of the cast is because of her delusion. Remove that and she's pretty much worthless.

>>377773570
I also really liked Emizel's development. It was pretty cool to see the MC acting in certain situations as a mentor character, as opposed to them being the one having the development.

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>>377774381
>Rectangular nip

>>377761054
>Metallia
I find it retarded that this warranted a namechange.

>>377772886
For me its story and characters all the way. I love the wacky humor and the themes of love and triumph that these games provide. Especially that of the pure love between angels and demons, or purity sues and the MC.

>>377774762
Metallica is more famous for suing people than they are for music at this point.

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>>377771625
And the meido mages.

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>>377774564
Sorry to disappoint you.

>>377774881
Honestly I think they would thought it would be pretty cool but I dunno if Metallica themselves are into gaming.

>>377775021
I still don't understand.

I'm still in the demo, have a few questions.
>What determines chain attacks?
>Is there a limit to how many characters I can recruit?
>What are some good setups?

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>>377761054
>Gets Tera spells at 50

I avoided the DLC chapters because I assumed they would break the game, apparently I didn't even need to go that far.

>>377773418
I guess that's why I like it. I always thought it was weird putting so much time in Disgaea without putting so much thought into it. It felt like mindless grindfest

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>>377771625

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>>377772886
>whats the appeal of disgaea games?
These adorable little fuckers, dood.

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>>377772886

waifus dood

>>377758905


whey wanted the quick buck to make launch window.

I don't blame them, but how herd it it to stuff in a few more chapters and characters?

>>377776136
That looks like a very inefficient outfit to nin nin in.

>>377776549
But it is a very lewd outfit

The real question is should i buy it digital or physical?

>>377771625

Favorite Generic are Thief

Favorite new monster is 9 tails.

>>377758187
Just getting serious about the postgame. Do you require perfecting items to beat anything? Because fuck the tedium of hunting shit down in the item world and soft-resetting.

>>377772886
It's a game built around min maxing that requires you to min max but if you REALLY min max than you can out min max the required min maxing until the game then open up min max mode, and hoo boy, you better have your team min maxed, but lucky you, min max world opens up a whole new avenue of min maxing if you're able to work around the required min maxing and min max outside the expected level of min maxing. And then you'll hit the post game min max boss who reveals that your attempts to min max have in fact been rather paltry, and a;ll well within the developer's expectation of min maxing.

Or you can smash your head against it and grind for 1000 hours, whichever floats your boat.

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>>377771625
Why was he dropped? That mp steal was badass.

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>>377777078
So I can min max until I actually do a good job of min maxing that I unlock a min max mode, which allows me to go beyond the limit of min max, but it doesn't matter for post game bosses because they are just too ridiculous unless you perfecting min maxing?

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>>377777480
Yes.

>>377774997
Wow, that's a cute girl.

I should check this series, are there more girls with their eyes hidden?

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>>377777620
>girl

>>377777620
>Wow, that's a cute girl.
>>>/d/7437462

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>>377777567
Holy shit man you're not kidding. For how long do you need to play to even get to that level

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>>377777728
>>377777729
>trap

well shit

>>377777772
To be fair, that particular iteration of that boss at max fuck you mode can only really be beaten by abusing certain method of temporary invincibility and then building up damage through a combo mechanic by equipping a healing sword joke weapon and triggering chains of counter attacks.

But even then, it requires quite a bit just to get your team out, because he gets a free attack every time you deploy a unit, and getting your support units to survive that is a trick in itself.

>>377777772
>>377777567
How does one even begin to approach all this minmaxing?

I've always been intimidated by this stuff at it's highest level. Should I just clear the main game and worry about the rest later?

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>>377778012
Yep, now your gay for dicks.

>>377778012
Disgaea is pretty good to traps. The creators understand good taste.

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>D5 has the best gameplay
>But also a really bad post-game

>>377778118
Main game is more or less balanced around just playing through it like a normal human being.

Post game requires you to begin to understand and use some of the different mechanics to get your shit together.

Land of Carnage, the FuckYouMode of the game, requires you to use most of the game's mechanics to survive.

>>377778226
what's so bad about it?

>>377763870

Disgaea DS has all the QoL the later games did I don't know why it is still hated. Not sure what the PC version has though.

>>377778239
>>377777078
are there any characters or classes in 5 that are not worth min maxing for postgame. like if i plan to post game should i just focus on leveling certain classes

>>377780432
90% of them. That's the thing about min maxing, you discard almost everything. But, if only to unlock new classes or Evilities, you're going to want to at least touch every class.

>>377780432

Unfortunately endgame of D5 is land decimator on sage every other class doesn't even come close, so just get the right evilities and leave it there.

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>>377778191
>trap(s) plural
Isn't there just one trap generic though? I can't think of any others. I guess there's the plant if that counts.

>>377774229
I just hate how incredibly not-subtle it was of repeating D4's plot. I'm not even a Seraphina fan, but even Disgaea 3 tried to do the Father-Son story just different enough for not be a D1 copy paste.

Lieze hits all the same beats that Past Artina did in D4
>Super nice kind perfect girl with no flaws
>Her reason to "die" is to stop the madness of a particular character
>Her death just makes said character derail more
>Stoic main character ends up falling for her
>Main character main motive is entirely linked to said character.

Maybe if they had made Lieze a bit more quirky or unique I wouldn't have minded one bit. But the fact she is just SO MUCH like human Artina just pisses me off that makes Seraphina bearable as the main girl character in comparison.

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I forgot I preordered this just to have something for the Switch that isn't Zelda or Mario Kart and I just noticed it shipped earlier today

I don't need to play the previous ones right?

>>377780432
D5 is incredibly unbalanced. The only generic unit that's worth min/maxing is the Sage and the really broken uniques are like Killia, Adell, Metallia, and maybe like Zetta and Red Magnus. Pretty much all other units are just really bad in comparison, Adell can quite easily do 5x as much single target damage as an equally min/maxed Magic Knight, which has the highest single target out of the generics - It's pretty dumb.

>>377782390

Hopefully they take out land decimator in D6.

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>>377771625
Best since always.

>>377765659

They're both basically walking ojou-sama fanservice stereotypes with ones gameplay and skill set essentially geared towards femdom themes. Unsurprisingly they have a team up attack.

>>377782084
Yeah, you definitely can. You get some fan service from previous games, but that's it.

>>377773570
The entire thing with Fuka is she actually does grow as a character and has quite a bit of development, but can't really openly display it since it would invalidate her entire existence and doom her to forgetting everything she ever was and becoming just another regular Prinny waiting for reincarnation.
A lot of people rag on the "It's all just a dream" thing, but pretty early on she realizes perfectly well that she did actually die and is in the Netherworld. The problem is if she admits that to herself she would straight up cease to exist, that's her entire conflict, she struggles with accepting that and deludes herself into thinking everything is perfectly fine just to live carelessly a little longer. Valvatorez on the other hand wants her to make her peace, accept life for what it is, and come to terms with her death, it's a lot more complicated than the LOL ITS ALL A DREAM I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALA LETS MAKE A BET bullshit that a lot of people seem to think

I bought 3 for my Vita when I first got it but didn't really like it. I think I only got to Chapter 3 or 4 before I stopped playing
I'm kinda bored and want to play more games on my Switch, is this game any different or would I just get burned again?

>>377781075

Man there really aren't a whole lot of anime style plots anymore. I mostly just take in all the wackiness and gameplay systems that demand you try to break them and don't think about it too much. Not trying to make excuses but like if you expect a strong nuanced story out of a Japanese thing let alone this anime about it you're in the wrong decade and this has never at any point been the franchise for that. It's basically the Blazblue of Strategy RPGs

>>377763370
Handheld is best for Disgaea, can just grind in item world in bed, or max out dudes on the toilet. Every time I try to play it on PC or console it just feels weird, like I should be playing something with decent graphics instead.

>>377783724
I'm so close to getting a switch for disgaea but I'll wait until a hardware revision is done for the console, I don't want that shit bending in the fucking dock

So is Zetta any good, was just wanted to ask before putting a bunch of time into his evility.

>>377780663
I was counting the plant. That classes election speech or whatever in D4 was great.

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>>377778012
Works every time.

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>>377785169
Arguably the single best unique in the game.

>>377758187
is Seraphina the cutest and hottest Nippon Ichi character ever???

>>377786130
That's good to know, Makai Kingdom is one of my favorite games.
Can't wait to see how good he is now.

>>377769123
Real talk, and I can't accurately explain why.

But I really liked Mao for some reason

>>377785169
His Overload lets you summon 5 more characters from your base panel so that's pretty great, his damage is nothing to write home about though. He's extremely weak compared to Adell and Killia and even some generics are able to outdamage him. His utility is amazing though, having a total of 15 characters instead of the normal 10 is huge for setting up big damage combos.

>>377786432
kys

>>377786524
Isn't Zetta lore wise supposed to be Big Dick Rick though

>>377758187
>love her design and it makes my dick diamonds
>her character is just "I'm a manipulative bitch and I have lots of money but not really because my daddy's broke and so is my family and I'm really just a discount Etna but not as funny and the chapter previews are the only good thing out of my character."

Bunny loli was better and I usually hate lolis.

>>377786432
Just started D3 and I like him too. He's a bit one-dimensional but I generally enjoy asshole protagonists. Honestly have yet to see why people hate this game so much in particular. D2 was basically just D1 mechanics + bells and whistles, including some unbelievably grindy shit (lovers, felonies, pirates) and awful story maps. Meanwhile I startup 3 and it's immediately "Thank fuck, they got rid of weapon masteries!"

>>377786786
Lore wise sure, dunno why they decided to give him such a support Overload instead of a super saiyan transformation like most of the other offensive uniques get. I mean it makes sense since he was relegated to just being a commander while being stuck in book form in his own game, but it doesn't feel right at all when he's in his human form in D5.

>>377786432
Mao became endearing to me after a certain point, but started off really annoying. As a whole I just found the characters in 3 less endearing than in the other ones in the franchise. Minus Mr. Champloo, he's great.

Anyone know when this goes up on the eshop today?

>>377787985
it's already up. It wasn't up 4 hours ago but when I checked in the last hour it was up.

If I have D5 and no DLC, how much new content would there be in D5 complete?

>>377788217
Three easy maps with a couple lines of dialogue per character DLC on PSN.

>>377775032
Metallica would have sued either way because they're all a bunch of faggots that would most likely sue if you use even a 5 second clip from one of their songs without permission.

>>377758187
>disgaea characters being bad

wow its like shits smelling like shit

>>377788289
So looking on the wiki that's 25 characters?

>>377788836
Maybe? A lot of them are bundled together though so it's not actually 25*3 maps. Check PSN if you want an exact number.

>>377788881
kk. seems like it might be worth it if I actually bother with post game, and making it portable should help with that.

>>377776549
kunoichi are the sluttiest mammals in existence.

>>377787170
>Mr. Based Champloo is probably going to be forgotten where as they keep on bringing back Salvatore for some reason.
Just why.

>>377783783
>Buying into any of the hardware fault memes

You're a special kind of idiot. Any bent Switches were bent from the moment they got put in the box at the factory. The dock doesn't scratch the screen either, unless of course, you're a drunk or an ape and have minimal motor control.

Do what you want about the Switch, but don't be misled by shitposters. PLEASE.

>>377778409
A complete lack of it for starters. Theres Asagi, recruiting 3 characters, and Baal.

They went too hard with the lock everything behind DLC route.

>tfw browsing Disgaea threads where it's clear most of the posters are massive series fans who understand the balance of the games really well

You fuckers are annoying as fuck though. Depending on the thread and when it takes place, you guys have said each of the various releases was "horribly imbalanced".

>>377778226
>best gameplay
Yeah no. Not by a long shot.

>>377778409
It's pretty much completely nonexistent. There is only one "Dark World" map per chapter, Land of Carnage is a complete joke and doesn't really offer anything new and interesting, and the postgame story segment is extremely short compared to the other games'. Doesn't help that D5 is busted to hell and back and you can get ridiculously powerful in no time at all either, you can mop up the entire postgame including LoC Baal within 5-10h from when you beat the Final Boss.

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>>377782632
What are you doing in the wrong game, Sarashi? They need you exploring the Yggdrasil Labryinth!

>>377783514
I know that a super original story is not gonna happen. But so far in the series I have always liked at least /something/ out of almost every character in the series, included the girls.

Artina's story was super cliche but it fitted the game and her difference between her old Nun days and her times as Vulcanus at least made the character somewhat interesting to watch.

Plot aside, Leize as a character is just Artina if you cut the later bits, leaving her with just the super perfect almost mary sue-ish in how perfect she is character. I do admit what they did with her near the end of the plot WAS interesting, but I was geniully hoping for a more interesting character, not need for too much, but at least something to validate herself being the main reason behind Killia's crusade.

Maybe I'm just easily entertained, but despite it's generic anime stories, the Disgaea games always have some great moments, and every one has at least a couple of scenes where I'm heavily tugged at my heartstrings. Overall, I feel why D5's mechanics are some of the series' finest, it's story is probably one of the less engaging for me out of all of them. Dunno if it may just be my tastes changing or expecting to much, but is just something I noticed.

Is not BAD, but it's the first time a Disgaea has left me somewhat disappointed after reaching the end plot-wise, except maybe DD2 but I gave it a pass since it was clearly a continuation of D1 where they really didn't know what to do with it.

Basically I don't expect a super rich RPG story, but one with a setting and cast that engages me enough. D5 did at times but not as much and honesty I'm very easily amused, given I hold Disgaea 2's plot and cast very highly despite its shortcomings.

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I guess now in addition to Switch/PS4 shitposting, PC shitposting will follow

>>377786909
Maybe it's a matter of taste. I always prefered Weapon Mastery over wasting Mana for new moves.

In D3 and 4 I always felt like I had to grind thrice as much just to get a decent move later in the game as their prices became quite a hassle. Much harder to also deck a brand new unit with said moves too, in my opinion.

I'm glad DD2 and D5 at least mechanically seems like a nice balance between its features. Giving enough options to please both super-grind enthusiasts and the folks who prefer a bit more streamlining with their grind.

>>377789352
>back Salvatore
>for some reason

Its because she has a big bust and wear latex/leather everywhere. Simple as That.


Most Guest/DLC characters are picked as Guest/DLC either because of their protagonism or because they are fan favorites because of their designs.

>>377771625
male: dark engineer
female: heavy knight

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>>377761054
Using cameo characters is cheating, otherwise pic related is best disgaea

>>377791225
A long time ago, people would vote for who they wanted as DLC. I know Pram placed #1, but after Almaz, Salvatore was the most popular D3 pic.

>>377790996
They still need to port 3 and 4. Lets just forget D2 ever existed.

>>377792923
>Lets just forget D2 ever existed.
amen to that

Fuck the haters, I loved the main cast and the story of 5. Best in the series along with the original.

>>377791810
I wonder why they didn't bothered with the dengeki dungeons again ever since ZHP