Fallout 4 or fallout 3?

>>377700332
Fallout 1

Underrail.

>>377700332
literally any other mainline fallout

>>377700332
none

4 is way better than 3

Both are trash. New Vegas all the way

New Vegas

>>377700697
>>377700724
DUDE DESERT LMAO

>>377700332
Fallout actually underrail is better

>>377700332
fallout 4 is better but both are bad
NV is better, 2 is best

both are great. But I choose EVERY OF THEM

Fallout 3 was like the fallout 4 of 2008

>>377700724
Kek fuck off. New Vegas had way poorer graphics and gunplay

And besides, it didn't even have base building etc

3>>>>>>>>>>>>4>nv

Fallout 4 is far better, it had villains with understandable and (somewhat) reasonable goals, better gunplay, better exploration, better world building, more interesting characters (DIMA is better than anything in Fallout 3 and could fit in New Vegas because he's that good), better power armour etc.

Fallout 3 had the systems to be a better RPG but the writing was so bad and the quests were so linear that it doesn't even matter.

>>377700332
Morrowind was the best elderscrolls game of all time.

This statement pretty much sums up this thread.

>>377701064
>better world building
You mean any?

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>>377700935

>>377700935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJ4-03Bz84

>>377700935
>and gunplay
>people still use this non word
man you don't have to like NV, that's cool but gunplay in F)4 is not a thing. NV introduced iron sights and 4 reverted back to one ammo type and flat sounds for everything. The only good thing was the introduction of bashing but 1/3 is not good.

>>377701143
If a retarded baby took its first steps, then I would congratulate it for taking those steps even if the younger brother is spinning plates

>>377701265
I adore NV bu this is just another pipe dream that will never be finished

4 marked a return to what the players wanted-better world building, gunplay and graphics. NV was ok for hardcore RPG lovers but it's simply not as good

>>377701545
world building doesn't literally mean building the world

>>377701545
people WILL fall for this bait

>>377700332
1

>>377701545
Ok, leaving asides the graphic which is a retarded point considering there is a generation gap between 4 and NV, and the gunplay which in NV is inherited by 3, in what way is the world building in 4 so much better that supposedly allows it to shadow NV, which is still a light years better RPG?

>>377701614
He must be racist too, i hate people with different oppinions!

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>>377700332
Death.

>>377700332
why do you want to play the non canon spin offs?

>>377700785

the desert is literally one of the best most iconic settings of the post apocalyptic genre

I mean ever see Mad Max?

>>377701813
i literally dont understand what point you're trying to make here

>>377700935
>poorer gunplay
>more weapons
>more use with weapons
>ammo types
>non RNG aiming
>better damage type
>sights
>weapon upgrades

Out of those two? 4 is superior in every possible way, except maybe the song selection which is probably the most subjective comparison.

unlike a lot of /v/ I like 3 but there's nothing it does better than NV or 4

>NV wins in writing, rpg elements, choice and quest design
>4 wins in gameplay mechanics and exploration, and comparatively to 3 it has good dialogue

the only thing I can think that 3 has going for it is that it has a great setting, DC is the perfect place to set a game about post-apocalyptic america

>>377701738
better map. more to see. the world was more full up, NV was an empty husk. Nice touches here and there unrelated to the main storyline. Also just because there is a time gap doesn't mean graphics can be ignored

>>377701064
>reasonable goals,
>The institute wants to take over the wasteland with synth slaves but gives them free will because lol why not
>The Brotherhood wants to destroy the entire institute and all synths even tough its their entire motive to collect advanced technology and preserve it
say what you want about fallouts 3's factions but bethesda went full retard with 4

>>377702032
>Also just because there is a time gap doesn't mean graphics can be ignored
actually fucking yes, especially when at launch 4 was incredibly bugged; so long for graphics

>>377702002

Forgot to mention the way dialogue is handled, which is an abomination in 4. Why they moved on from the traditional method still baffles me. Thank god for mods.

>>377702002
> 4 is superior in every possible way
Since when casualized is the same as superior?

>>377702032
that has nothing to do with world building you fucking idiot
how come everybody still lives in these beat down houses, how come there are still almost no ways for the wasteland to reproduce food and other goods, how come everybody is suddenly using retarded pipe weapons

>>377702190
no, just because there is an excuse for graphics being poorer doesn't mean they can be discounted. It's still a massive plus for 4

>>377702220
>He thinks Fallout 3 wasn't casualized as hell already

>>377702246
sounds like you just dont like fallout. no need for name calling

Fallout 4 has all the improvements you'd absolutely expect in 7 years of development.

>Stability
>world detail
>improved textures and lighting
>better voice acting
>armor pieces
>survival mode
>NPCs aren't as fucking stupid
>NPCs use the environment for cover

However, it really fucks up a lot
>no skill system
>limiting voice acting
>plays like a linear game with an open world
>perk system is absolutely dumb
>lowering SPECIAL points because
>80% of the games weapons are bad by level 10
>no repair
>criticals only in vats
>survival mode sleeping to save
>bullet sponges
>nearly no role playing at all
>total casualization of an already casual game

Fallout 4 is practically Farcry set in a post post apocalyptic setting. It's not a bad game whatsoever, I've put a ton of hours into it, but it's just very bland.

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>>377702002
the song selection is objectively shit
its either ''LOL NUCLEAR BOMBS RIGHT'' or fallout 3's soundtrack with a extra version of Butcher Pete and to top it all off, a boring host who becomes obnoxious when you do his quest
i miss mister New Vegas

>>377702279
what the fuck is your problem? Even if 4 looks better compared to NV, it looks like ass compared to other AAA games nowadays, the graphics are literally the most retarded thing to consider when talking about RPGs

>>377702329
>''hey man he already shat on your plate before, better let him unload diarrea on it

>>377702419
all they had to fucking do was get a somewhat remerable baseball commentator to do the radio host and would've been 100x better.

>>377702426
that's your opinion, yes. Quite a lot of people care how the game looks though, it helps with immersion etc in an RPG. Otherwise why not just play text based rpgs.

>>377701545
what was so great about 3's world exactly that it was a return to? 3 was the same church copy pasted near the same set of 4 houses, copy pasted near the same metro tunnel entrance, copy pasted next to the same SAT-COM array, copy pasted near the same playground setup copy pasted near the same office building all over the map with maybe 5 unique locations.

That feeling of stepping out of the Vault was magical sure but not after the second time. Once you've "seen" FO3 you've seen it. The Commonwealth is exactly the same with the wasted potential of the glowing sea which shouldn't be a thing at all 200+ years.

>>377702220

I forgot about the dialogue system, which is a sad pile of shit in 4. The perk/skill system is almost exactly the same; it's just displayed differently. The fact that you get a point per level also makes it feel better (NV figured that out, obviously).

>>377702419

We're not talking about NV, though.

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>>377702542
Well no shit they care. I mean, someone has to buy any Bethesda/Bioware crap that comes out despite how broken on a technical level and horrid in the role playing department they are, if they keep making them.

>tfw at least ME is finally dead

>>377702361
I think this is the most sensible post we'll see

>>377702661
you still haven't made any solid points about why someone shouldn't care about graphics

>>377702342
i like fallout
i especially loved how fallouts world worked
but bethesda just took a giant shit on it and decided that nothing should makes sense because tards will eat it up anyway
and its idiots like you that keep buying this shit and accept it because ''its fun bro'' or ''just turn your brain off bro''

>>377702560
I think you're wrong there. Fallout 4 is much more detailed architecturally then 3. Fallout 3 really was just those destroyed brown houses in a circle. Fallout 4 has numerous terrain differences and uniqueness in the downtown Boston area and around the witchcraft museum. They also make the world feel more inhabited as well.

Fallout 3 and NV both feel empty.

>empty space with creatures
>random house with no loot as a location
>empty space
>quest location

2 was the last good one, tactics killed it, anybody disagreeing is a poor deluded retard eating up marketing.

>>377702361

I'd argue that the modding of weapons more than makes up for the lack of repair, sort of like maintenance.

The dialogue system change is by far the worst change in 4. Does not help that the story is the worst in the series.

>>377702361

the voice acting in FO4 is not good
like at all
most of the VAs sound like they've never emoted a day in their life
Nick is alright for what his character is supposed to be but literally all the rest? pretty goddamn bad actually
NV has better voice acting without a doubt

also people say FO4 has better graphics which it does in a very technical sense I suppose but also the game is still quite ugly and really lacks a unified style which both 3 and NV had

>>377702807
I really just can't get into isometric games. I forced myself to get through fallout 1 but I didn't want to do the same to a game as in depth as fallout 2.

>>377700935
>poorer graphics
Summer is here folks and the graphics kids too

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>>377702729
because Bethesda games still look shittier to compared to literally anything else out there
they only look good compared to other Bethesda games because they still somehow refuse to abandone their 14 year old engine

>>377702729
when it comes to personal preferences there's nothing to say. do you like the graphics? good, go that way. but in terms of evaluating an RPG they're the last thing to count, and as you said, one might as well go for a table one, the experience will work anyway.
I mean, I would never recommend 4 over NV. What kind of fucking argument would I make?
>well, 4 sucks on all regards when compared to NV, except for the gunplay. Oh, and it looks better.
if someone cares so much about gunplay and graphics, he just shouldn't play fucking fallout, there are tons of games that do both things better.

I've played over 100 hours of Fallout 4 over the course of the last month and I'm still having a great time.
What's wrong with me, doc?

Neither

Shelter>Classic Fallout>NV>4>3

>>377702807
>Fallout 2
>Good
literally the most reddit of the oldschool RPG's
>le pop culture refference

>>377703059

It has a great gameplay loop; I kind of want to go back to it despite me having 500+ hours on it.

Too bad the story is really, really bland.

>>377702765

yeah thats the whole fucking point
its a post apocalyptic wasteland
there is supposed to be a pervasive sense of isolation and loneliness

>>377702917
I ask that you visit New Vegas again. It's hard for me to determine whether or not some of the NPCs are vanilla or if they're modded with some random programmer speaking into his headset. The game has standouts: Caesar, Legate Lanius, Graham, and Mr. House. But holy fuck the not-so-important NPCs are atrocious.

>>377702863
Lack of repair also got rid of repair skill checks for quests and I think those are a rewarding and immersive part of fallout

>>377703153
>>377703059
It's not about which is a better game, but which is a better Fallout

>>377703154
>the map is SUPPOSED to be boring and empty dude!!
NVfags are the worst

>>377700935
>it didn't even have base building etc
but it did you nigger piece of shit, theres a mod for that, and bethesda stole it,

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>>377700332
I can recommend both of them

>>377703195
>implying the map in 3 was any better
at least NV has the excuse of being set in a desert

>>377703154
New Vegas is hardly a wasteland. It wasn't even hit by a nuclear warhead mate. It does get the excuse of being a desert though.

>>377702765
They feel more alive because of the inhabitants and the world shaping. 4 is just shooting endless respawning enemies with nothing of value to see or do. You're a faggot.

>>377703194

I tried to justify people having fun with the game.

But yeah, as a Fallout game it feels the least fallout-y of the main 5 games, even more than 3.

>>377700332
shite>4>3

>>377700785
DUDE PLOTHOLES UP THE ASS AND ON THE RAIL STORYTELLING
Fallout 3 sucks shit, embrace the truth.

>>377702807
>the fallout jagged alliance killed fallout

you serious anon?

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>>377703318
>It wasn't even hit by a nuclear warhead mate
mate it was hit by 2
House just did a good of preserving Vegas itself

>>377703185

I know NV's voice acting isn't perfect but it still doesn't have any characters as bland and robotic as Danse or as obnoxious as Piper
meanwhile FO4 has no characters that are better (none of them even come close really) than NV's best characters
FO4 has lower lows and lower highs too
its still just worse thats the bottom line

>obsessedian drones are in full force again
maybe if the map wasn't 25% cut off, gunplay was better, writing and characters weren't tryhard SJW tier I'd give it another go
>b-but muh factions
legion, house and independent have barely any extra content, every crime gets absolved halfway through the game and the main story is copy paste for every faction

>>377703478
>LE HARDCORE GAYMER FALLOUT XD
Woah, sure is reddit in here.
NV=Reddit
4=/v/

>>377703185
Oliver Swanick alone is more memorable than all of Fallout 4's important NPC's

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>>377700332
Fallout 3 at least pretends to be an RPG.

Fallout 4 is just an open-world Far Cry game.

im glad /v/ has seen the light and prefers 4 over NV. It's the truth

>>377703419
Alien Shooter is about dumb shooting aliens with guns and it's fun too
>>377703519
If you want to use logic you gotta realise that after 200 years every fucking city should either rebuild itself or get overgrown by plants, that wouldn't make for a good post-apo setting. Just gotta willingly suspend your disbelief.
>>377703656
Who?

>>377703608
>writing and characters weren't tryhard SJW tier
what the fuck are you talking about?
hang yourself instead of annoying us with your shitty bait

>>377703761
>Alien Shooter is about dumb shooting aliens with guns and it's fun too

...your point?

>>377703185
The main problem with NV's voice-acting is that 2/3 of the NPC's are voice by Yuri Lowenthal who has no range. The other 1/3 is voiced by the guy who sounds extremely depressed and/or bored.

>>377703761
>Just gotta willingly suspend your disbelief.
mate of course the world is not gonna fix itself in Fallout, but the world made sense in 1, 2 and New Vegas, Everything had a reason for the way it was. things happen in 3 and 4 just to look cool

>>377700332
4 even with all it's faults

>>377703341
New Vegas tried to have world shaping but it's very subtle. Some of the only things that I noticed were:
>kill ncr at Helios, Legion moves in
>do still in the dark, a SINGLE BoS convoy walks at night time

I think the developers would've done a much better tile if they had more money and time, but they didn't, and NV feels like an unfinished product because of that. It needs to be judged the way it stands though. New Vegas absolutely does not feel alive at all.
>walk into Gomorrah stage area, laughing tracks played in background, glasses clinking, 1 bartender, 1 prostitute, Omerta quest guy
>Huge battle at Forlorn Hope: 6 legion troops, 4 NCR troops.
>Go into Vault 3
>DO YOU LIKE THE SIGHT OF YOUR OWN BLOOD?

It's a very dull game. All of the life that is added to New Vegas is added because of the user..

>>377703821
almost all your companions are gay + 1 crossdresser

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>>377703652
>the things I'm reading here
what you're talking about? /v/ has hated 4 before its release and the vast majority of it still does today

>>377703478
I like new vegas and 3 and 4

Can't get into 1 and 2 though.
Never really liked 2d games

I sometimes wonder how large a percentage of posts on /v/ is bait/trolling and response to bait

>>377703926
>>Huge battle at Forlorn Hope: 6 legion troops, 4 NCR troops.
pretty sure that has more to do with the shit engine they where provided

>>377703958
the only faggot I can remember is arcade

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Stop posting western garbage.

Legit : 3>NV>4>1>2

4>3>>>NV
Haven't played 1 or 2 but from the looks of it they'd be in last place!

>>377703926
You have to remember that (Bethesda's) Gamebryo is a piece of shit. NV is pretty impressive considering they only had 18 months to develop it.

>>377704065

Veronica was a lesbian iirc.

I actually struggled to remember wtf that guy was talking about, but it's probably because they don't hit you over the head with it.

fallout 4 isnt a bad game and features a lot of creative things, great mod community, and way better gameplay and storyline than fallout 3

the only problem is that fallout 4 had a shit port to PC and was unoptimized as fuck

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>>377704153
My nigga

>>377703019
oh yeah i forgot the witcher was good

>>377704061
So am I just supposed to write it of as excusable because they were provided a poor engine? It's still a fucking game that they charged $60 for in 2010.

My favorite fallout game is New Vegas, it's one of my all time favorite games, but the beauty of New Vegas is in eye of the beholder. You nearly have to train yourself to like New Vegas. There are an infinite amount of times during a play through where you think about how much the game could've been if they had a longer time to develop or used a new system.

>>377704065
There was that one NCR chick at McCarran, that guy at Mojave Outpost and Veronica as well. There might be a few others I'm missing. Though they don't constantly remind you really unless you go right into their dialogue trees for the most part.
Although who the fuck is the crossdresser unless he's talking about that super mutant

>>377704220
>Veronica was a lesbian iirc.
oh, yeah, I forgot about that
but I think the real faggot it's me for falling for such an obvious bait

>>377700935
>people play fallout for graphics now
>people play fallout for gunplay now
>not the rpg element with its choices
It's hard not to notice the newfag surge.

>>377700332
4 with mods and pretending the main story arc doesn't exist > NV > 3 > 4

don't even list 1 and 2 in the same category you mongs, those games are gold.

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>>377700935
>it didn't even have base building

>>377703761
WHO WON THE LOTTERY?

>>377703019
>tfw CDPR makes a better engine between TW2 and TW3 (around 3 years) than Bethesda has managed to make in the past 10+ years

Why does Bethesda still exist again?

>>377704375
>most of your companions are gay
>huh, most of your companions really were gay now that I recall... fucking bait though
???

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>>377700935
IS THIS BAIT?
TELL ME IS THIS BAIT OR ARE YOU FUCKING UNDERAGED?

>>377704307
im just saying that the engine being limited in the scale of things is a recuring problem in Bethesda games
>final battle of Fallout 3 is 4 BOS, a few enclave running two at a time at you while being killed by a robot on rails

>>377704275
better than anything put out since Morrowind
and besides that, its still a deeper RPG with a larger map and better graphics
whats Bethesdas excuse again?

>>377704153
Good taste. Nvfags are morons

>>377704153
THIS. It's an unpopular opinion but right on the money imo

>>377704743
so 2 out of 8 is "most of them"?
sure summer has started early this year

>>377704571

NV with mods is much better than 4 with mods
its not like 4 has better mods if anything FO4's modding scene is the worst of any Bethesda game

>>377704743
not him but
>two companions is most
you're only pretending to be retarded now, right?

>>377704307
>It's still a fucking game that they charged $60 for in 2010.

They didn't charge 60 bucks for it, Bethesda did.

So pretty much this >>377704770. NV barely works on consoles as is so if they added bigger scale battles I'm fairly sure that either the game would always crash or the FPS would be closer to 0. Same goes for Fallout 3 and Skyrim, all had terrible console versions (PS3 especially was nearly unplayable)

>>377704910
Fallout 4 modding was ruined by Bethesda not releasing the modding tool until everyone stopped caring about the game.

>>377704153
/thread

>>377704153
/thread

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>>377704274
>>377704878
>>377704883
all me

>>377704715
*reloads gun* I don't know mate, everybody's dead
>>377704739
>>377704865
Morrowind fame or smth

>>377704153
FPBP

>>377704893
>>377704961
first of all, non-human characters don't count
and cass is at least bisexual and the mutant is a crossdresser
that leaves 2 cis people out of 6

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>>377704153
Probably the most sensible opinion we'll see all thread desu

>>377705307
>says non-human don't count
>counts the mutant

you're a special kind of retard, are you?

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>>377705307
>unironically using "cis"

>>377704153
>yes
>no
>joke/sarcasm, yes
>leave

>>377704910
I don't have a decent pc so I can't comment on that.

>better
subjective

>>377704715
To the thread of the New Vegas rode a stranger one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip

In this thread there were a poster guy who claimed that he's not Todd
He was obviously shilling and the subtle he was not
He was viciously promoting shitty game called Fallout Four
And the (You)s that he collected numbered one and nineteen more
One and nineteen more

Now the stranger started talking, made it plain to folks around
He was Josh "jsawyer" Sawyer, wouldn't be too long in town
He came here to take an outlaw back alive or maybe not
And he said it didn't matter that he was after Howard Todd
After Howard Todd

>>377705473
>yes
>no (yes)
>sarcasm (yes)
>info (which leads to yes)

ftfy

>>377705532
how shit is your pc that it cant run Fallout 4 with mods?

Holy shit, is /v/ finally starting to like 4? Took you guys long enough.

>>377700332
4 because vr

>>377705636
>implying my pc can run fallout 4
not everyone upgraded with their autism bucks pal, im running a toaster.

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fallout 4 has the most satisfying gameplay but the plot is pretty much nonexistent and the choice to make the MC fully voiced meant they had to cut down on dialogue choices. the changes to special was also stupid, but since the game feels much more shootery than the last two you don't notice it as much.

>>377706534
Helps that 4 has actual bullets. In Fallout 3 all the guns just shooted reskinned Oblivion spells, that's why the automatic guns lag when shooting and why the 10mm pistol is so weird.

>>377704090
NV>4>3

The truth

>>377706838

yeah thats what turned me off so much from 3 and NV, shooting guns was so incredibly unsatisfying. I know FO4 is a shit rpg but if you're going to make an fps/rpg hybrid you have to make the shooter gameplay take priority.

>>377705307
>2 isn't most
>yeah but these companions don't count
Grasping at straws a bit now
And if you actually think if Lily is actually a guy then you're a retard. Nightkin can still be female iirc, the FEV virus just fucked the original person so much it's hard to distinguish if they're a dude or a chick.

>>377707006
NV tried it's best to make the gunplay better. Various ammo types, vastly better selection of guns, guns generally sounded better and reloading guns like the cowboy repeater is pretty satisfying.

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>>377705416
so you don't count mutants as humans? then we have to drop the ghoul too
which leaves 1 straight person out of 5, an even lower precentage

nice argument anon

>>377706838
Is that really how it works? Finally explains why guns always felt so janky after all these years.

>>377707203
oh fuck, I meant 1 out of 4
still lower though

>>377701432
>Tale of Two wastelands

>>377707308
Apparently so, I think GECK has some references to it. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it, Bethesda is incredibly incompetent.

>>377707203
>>377707332
even admitting you are right about the percentage, who gives a fucking shit, you're the only person on the planet who cares, it's something completely unrelated to the gameplay and you wouldn't even know they are faggot unless you take your good time talking to them. now compare this to any ME game where the sexuality is in your face and you get an achievement for sticking your dick into the first alien butthole you find

>>377706456
>he played Fallout 4 on console
into the bin your opinion goes

>>377707859
>Bethesda is incredibly incompetent.

imo i think they realized they can get away with mediocre work simply because they know people are going to buy the game anyway.

>>377707859
Honestly at this point I can't tell if they're just too retarded or if they're just lazy as fuck. Or both

>>377700935
>New Vegas had way poorer graphics and gunplay
>it didn't even have base building
You can at least fucking try faggot

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>>377707126
you can't put sexual orientation on a dog and a non-sentient robot

and lily might've been a girl, but it normalizes the idea of a buff guy wearing female clothing

and it isn't played for laughs either, because she needs to have a 'deep' character like almost all the NPCs
which is what I meant by tryhard writing btw, can't go 5 minutes without someone going on a philosophical rant
even the complete moron at helios needed a 'clever' one-liner

>>377708462
>but it normalizes the idea of a buff guy wearing female clothing

jesus /pol/ give it a rest.

>>377700332
Fallout 4 > Fallout Shelter > Fallout 1 > Fallout 3 > Fallout 2 > Brotherhood of Steel > Fallout New Vegas > Van Buren

>>377704153
finnaly someone says the truth NVbabbies blown the fuck out

>>377700332
Fallout 3 with TTW

>>377707410
fallout 3 was already made in the same engine tho, fallout 4 is a completely different game than nv so you'd have to retexture literally everything/make new models.

>>377700332
new vegas

>>377709291
kill yourself

>>377706838
>Helps that 4 has actual bullets.
Fallout 4 still use hitscan firearms. You need mods to fix that shit.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/12986/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7499/?

>>377708981
It's too boring. I don't really liked a small map of new vegas, but it ended better than big dull fo3 wasteland.

Fallout 4 of course.

Although,i'm about to replay fallout 3 for perspctive, but i don't remember it fondly.
Going on a bit of a tangent, NV is one of the most overrated games on /v/, and is so overrated it's cult is more of a rite of passage into the groupthink of current /v/ culture than honest to goodness admiration of the game.

>>377709629
Seriously, how big is the subway in 3? I remember hating going down there because it was always the same shit packed with ghouls, and it never ends. I don't think Iìve explored it all.

>>377706838

uh its not like Oblivion didn't use real projectiles for spells that made sense to

Both are shit in their own way, but I'd rather sit through 4 again than 3.

>>377706534
>you didn't notice it as much

I noticed. I noticed it all.

TTW>New Vegas>3>4

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>>377710191
TTW 3 soon.

Here's the massive change log.
https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttws-public-dev-log

>>377710096

the only part i really didnt like was how criticals are a special attack instead just a proc, so if you never used vats there was no point in having any luck

Fallout 3, easily. At the very least it has a skills system even though it looks like hot garbage. But the latter issue can be dealt with through mods. It's still a weak game though.

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>>377708315
whatever happened to 'don't feed to trolls'?

>>377709960
I explored it all thanks to wiki(I missed entire district at first) and my light autism. There's almost 30 metro areas in DC, full of literally nothing. Easily the worst part of the game.

>>377700935

>And besides, it didn't even have base building etc

It did through the RTS mod, which Beth ripped off for Fo4. RTS also had greater variety as the player could plop down a base anywhere.

>>377700332
3 had better vaults
3 had better dlcs
3 had even better dialog
both 3 and 4 factions suck and it's a huge BOS circlejerk
both have shit main stories
4 looks better obviously

>>377709960
>>377710773

The worst thing about the Fo3 subway is that it's not even fully connected. I should be able to walk from one end of the system to the other without a single load, nearly every other game engine in existence is capable of this. I myself have done it in shit tier HL1 maps I made decades ago.

>>377710959
Come to think, why did bethesda chose BoS to be the good guys?

>>377710959

3 also had far better DLC. The Pitt itself could have been expanded into a standalone spinoff.

>>377710773
>30 copy and pasted subways filled with ghouls
>not even connected to each other, always blocked off by debris
SASUGA BETHESDA

>>377711243

how are BoS the good guys in fallout 4? if anything the minutemen are the only truly good faction.

>>377711243
because they were the less evil guys with cool armor compared to the enclave

>>377711361
I didn't play 4, but in 3 the cut between them and the Enclave is as clear as Empire and Rebels.

>>377700332
4 is miles away better than 3

and personally only better than NV in the gameplay department

of course some idiot will disagree but what can you do?

>>377711302
The pitt was the most promising dlc, but it was so short it's not even funny.

>>377711243

>HURRR POWER ARMOR LOOK COOL WE PUT IT IN COMMERCIAL AND ON THE FRONT COVER OF GAME

i thought it was funny how butthurt some people got when bethesda actually depicted the BoS correctly

>>377711243

1. Most important: the BoS armor is an easily recognizable "Fallout" item. It is a critical "brand element" therefore it needs to be there.

2. The "real" Fallout 3 (tactics) had the BoS go east via airship. Beth stole this concept for themselves but had the ship crash outside of Pittsburgh instead of Chicago. I can't fault them on this.

3. There's a distinct irony in a traditionalist monarchy operating the American capitol city. Lyons himself kills the last remains of the old republic (General Autumn and Eden's setup in Site R and Adams AFB) and establishes something comparable to England but with the Pentagon instead of Windsor Castle. This is also a very good concept even if it's execution is poor (some dialogue from Autumn on this subject would have gone a long way here).

My main complaint (most people really) is that there is absolutely no way not to side with the Enclave against the BoS. But this is also an issue Fo2 had.

>>377711462
in 4, the BoS are pretty much just 'We are the biggest guy and the institute is bad, stand back while we frag this charlie' and the institute is all 'we have all the science, what we do with our cyborgs isn't any of your business'

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>>377711721
Dude I'm all in for bashing Bethesda, but you went full retard.

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>>377711721
Nothing wrong with this.

fallout 3 has: wandering, mindless fun
fallout 4 has: cvrie, wandering, mindless fun and you can make a half-assed waterworld settlement that sucks dicks

I like them both but as a standalone they're mediocre. Good thing for mods and imagination.

>>377700697
>implying New Vegas isnt also trash
NewVegasfags everybody

>>377712005
do you feel like you made a good point? because you didn't

>>377704153
I unironically believe this

>>377711923

the base building in 4 was cool but i have a feeling they spent way too much time focusing on it.

>>377712316
keep dreamin dream boy those schmucks can just make their own settlements if they want them so bad

>>377711852
>>377711871

I mean yeah back then they were using the power armor as iconic marketing imagery too

But see its not just that Bethesda is relying on the same iconic imagery just for marketing its that they have either falsely interpreted that iconography or purposefully elevated it in the actual games themselves

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>>377702541
Oh my god please bethesda get Jon Miller a fallout role before he kicks it

>>377712739

are we really at the point where were hating on bethesda because of the fucking MARKETING?

>>377713174
no I hate bethesda because they have been have failed to make good rpgs with their last two releases

3 because I felt that 4 was just a shittier version of 3. (I'm not talking gameplay, if that was the case then 4 would win).

I just felt that 4 was a way too bright rehash of 3's story.

>>377713317
>failed

opinion

>New Vegas Hardcore
>Fallout 1
>New Vegas
>Fallout 4 Survival
>Fallout 2
>Fallout 4
>the biggest power gap you could ever possibly fathom
>Fallout 3

objective fact btw

>>377714312

NV hardcore wasn't that cool stop fooling yourself. all it did was make getting crippled reason enough to quickload

>>377713174

but thats the thing its not actually about the marketing

its about the fact that Bethesda superficially relies on the two iconic things in the Fallout series (Vault Boy and Power armor) to the point where they almost use them more than the original games in order to claim they are staying true to the series roots while simultaneously discarding all of the things of actual substance that originally defined it

Nu Doom is actually the same exact way
they put in just enough stuff so that it seems like they are trying to stay true to the series but the reality is its still a very different game from the original in many key ways

its a form of strategic pandering but it stops working when you analyze it in a critical way however most consumers are just too ignorant and stupid to do this or don't care so it works in the end

>>377713916
They need to fire or demote that fuck pagliarulo.

>>377714816
>but the reality is its still a very different game from the original in many key ways

please tell me what REAL doom games are supposed to be. i can't wait to hear your opinion.

>>377702765
Fuck this faggot but he is right about the emty space.

I felt New vegas had so much emty space in it that it started to bore me.
Just doing the Kings questline to get to the Casinos was so much senseless fkn waking from point a to point b, and c and back to b.

Piss off.
Also many buildings felt like huge emty areas.

>>377715810
>not sneaking into mccarran, silently taking out an NCR trooper with a knife, stealing his armor, and getting onto the monorail

>>377702917
Well it has the cartoony, bland green color and
>hurr durr so sunny and colorfull XD

Nice Apokalypse feel

>>377715747

I mean its very obvious and this thread is not even about Doom so I'm not gonna waste time going into huge detail because anyone who played classic Doom in any depth already understand

there's 2 very blatant differences and then other smaller stuff
first is the level design
second is the combat in general

>>377703652
Has /v/ always been this underage?!

How did you little shits find this forum?
Serious question.

>>377716116
fallout is supposed to be post post apocalypse. Ever moving to the east coast was a mistake instead of the continuation of California and its settlements establishing a semi working society again

>>377703926
This.

Obsidian are fucking Turbo cucks for accepting such a shit contract.

>>377716664
As much as I hate Bethesda's vision for the series, moving to the west coast was a neat idea, a chance for them to give their vision to an unknown part of the universe, leaving the east coast untouched by them problem is, they fucked it up for the most part since their writers are complete retards, art and level design guys are cool tho

>>377701265
That FOV though

>>377704042
And i wonder how all these underaged dicksuckers found this forum !?

Who guidet them in here?!

Skyrim with guns or Oblivion with guns, make your choice.

>>377717080
Reading my post again, I noticed I fucked up the west/east part

>>377717230
>4chan is an obscure website that only true darknet surfers know about

please stop

>>377716645
it's bait you dumbass. this entire thread is bait

>>377717859
>the concept of liking fallout 4 is bait

/v/, everyone

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>>377700935
Is that easy to get some (you)s isn't?