You are playing japanese games right?

>>377690817
no :)

>>377690817
Dekinai-chan get yee gone!!!

>>377690817
I will eventually. Still working on my speed reading so I don't expect that to be anytime soon.

>>377690817
dude just go to japanese international school or something its not even expensive

>>377690817
Yes.

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>>377690817
No & I never will since I'm hopeless at learning.

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>>377690817
Every single hobby or skill I'm interested in I eventually drop because I'm addicted to 4chan, video games, and fetish porn.

>>377690817
I do, but only dubbed ones :^)

No. I'm trying to figure out a good place to invite a Japanese girl I like on a date tomorrow though.

>>377690817
I only play Japanese mystery text games.

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Playing one right now as I let my previous korean study session marinate.

>>377692654
I watch dubbed anime

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グローブ・ストリート 元地だ
少なくともオレがヘマするまではそうだった

>Study Kana and Kanji briefly
>Memorize all hiragana
>Learn some katakana
>Attempt to play FFVI in Japanese
>Couldn't even decipher a single word

What the fuck is wrong with me?

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盗みに入る家を間違えたな!

>>377694686
That's like learning the alphabet from A to Z and then complaining that you couldn't understand a word in English

>>377694686
Because those things are not words or grammar rules

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相変わらずだなCJ マジ間抜けだぜ!

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9番ふたつと 9番のラージ
6番のソース多めと7番
45番をふたつ ひとつはチーズ入り あとソーダのLだ

>>377690817
Started Valkyria Chronicles and dropped it after a few chapters. Damn Japanese games are dull and autistic.

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列車を追わねえでどうすんだ!

>>377690817
もちろん。

Exclusively, in Japanese language.

I also managed to pass N1. Is that an okay result in /v/ Japanese standards?

>>377695056
beat me to it
電車をたどってだけやがて、バカcj
mine prolly doesnt make sense though, rarely produce

>>377695124
>Is that an okay result in /v/ Japanese standards?
Yup.
Not that you need much more than N2 to play vidya.

>>377690817
kanji is fucking me hard

>>377695171
I even passed close to full points. Is that an okay result in /v/ Japanese standards?

I learned the kana and now don't have the motivation to continue

>>377695183
Keep going at it, eventually you'll start seeing patterns, making it a bit easier to learn new ones.

Grammar keeps throwing me through a loop.

>>377695056
追う doesn't feel right to me in the context of that mission.

>>377690817
I only play good games.

>>377690817
Where do i start? Looking for something to do while at my job

>>377690817
Maybe after another thousand anki cards.
>>377695183
Skip kanji and learn vocabulary, unless you really want to hand write.

>>377695889
>Skip kanji
I know what you mean but boy I sure hope nobody takes this the wrong way.

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>>377690817
I gave up after almost a year of studying and 4500 cards from the core deck.
Half a year later and I forgot most of it.

I just can't find the motivation to spend another year studying something I will probably never use.

I want to learn before the 2020 Games and have it as my first international trip.

Do i have a chance?

>>377696910
Yeah. But why would you care about shit like the Olympics?

>>377696910
yes

>>377695183
>thousands of symbols
>sometimes with multiple readings
This fucking language is a mess.

>>377696753
>I just can't find the motivation to spend another year studying something I will probably never use.
I've been forcing myself to find reasons to do it.
Like finding games which don't have translations and playing through them.

>>377696753
>>377696958
EOP mindset keeps you EOP'd.

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>>377696753
>>377696958
Everyone puts so much emphasis on kanji that they stress themselves out and quit. Learn kanji and vocabulary at the same time by learning the readings within words AS you read and play. Stop grinding random decks with no context.

>>377696939
I only barely experienced the 2000 Sydney Games but vividly remember it, want to really get a feel for it. I also have a friend on the logistical side of the Australian Basketball Team and it'll pretty much be free.

>>377697067
But Nigso, if they do that they won't be able to discuss their Anki progress with pals from DJT.

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>>377697131
You'll be too busy making progress and having fun to talk with them anyway.

>>377696753
wtf man at 4500 kanji you should had been able to read about old japanese rice extracting tools

Does that japanese game on steam help?

Its the RPG maker game, hiragana battle or something.

>>377697230
Cards = words.

if you really want to learn you should just get an airbnb in a small JP town and go chill there for a month or 2 studying and talking to people.

alternatively, you can grind grammar/vocabulary until you can stumble your way through a children's book, then slowly just start reading harder and harder material. games are hard though because sometimes the phrasing will be formal/easy and sometimes it won't. it's a lot easier when the formality/context of the situation is easily ascertainable like in social situations/books

>>377697242
Maybe if you are retarded or like to waste time

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>>377692627
ever had the thought that 4chan, vidya and fetish porn are your hobbys?

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>>377690817
Sometimes. I can pick up bits and pieces from them, but I am working towards fluency. A little bit every day.

I watch japanese shit every week (no subs) so thought about learning the language. Learned hiragana for like 99% and moving on to katakana and the modifiers and such. I'm going to japan next year, should I start learning kanji asap or just stick to phrasebooks

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Based on your subjective feeling, rate how difficult to read and understand the underlined words are.

>>377697549
well you're not going to be able to understand shit fresh off the boat, it's very intimidating in person.. personally i would just go for kanji so that you can read/write and point to stuff, speaking fluency takes full immersion in the culture (or a good native tutor)

>>377697549
You'll speak English in Japan anyway.

>>377697598
Is 6 "can be strong"?

>>377690817
How much longer.

>>377697780
No.

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>>377697549
>I watch japanese shit every week (no subs)
>thought about learning the language
So you watch shit with no subs on a language you are not even in the process of learning.

>>377697796
Damn. What is it? Conjugation always fucks me.

>>377697780
強いられて

>>377696243
And what did he mean by that? I just wanna know Japanese to read my weeb games

>>377697598
Really easy.

>>377697368
>That pic
I love it. Reminds me of how I'm feeling with Korean.

>>377697846
Well I started like a month ago and I can pretty much remember most of hiragana. Also I've watched my incredibly specific japanese shit for a year without subs and I could manage even without them but I'm still curious about learning it

>>377697598
Not difficult at all, this is basic stuff.

>>377697853
The verb 強いる in passive.
強いる - "shiiru" means "to force [something onto someone] or [someone to do something]".

>>377697928
>Really easy.
Truly. And yet it's in the highest level of the test. Gives me hope that the expected results are low as shit.

>>377697965
why don't you just watch with jp subtitles?

>>377697858
Are you saying that what you typed is "can be strong"? Then what was in the pic?

Whats the best place to learn? Does /t/'s /ltt/ have good content or should i be looking elsewhere?

>>377690817
Fuck no! Fuck the Wapanese!

>>377698007
There are none. Except live translations in twitter and written translations of like 1% of it after.

>>377697914
He means exactly what he said doofus. Learning kanji isn't going to help a whole lot with learning actual words. Study vocab and kanji knowledge will follow naturally.

>>377698049
Oh hey, they got rid of the weeaboo filter.

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What is the best way for learning radicals?
Every kanji looks the same now and I really slowed down

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>>377697696
>He thinks Japanese people speak English
That's a lie and you know it. Even at the university I'm at only a select few students know English or even dare uttering it.

Also what a lot of Kanjigrinders seem to forget is that you actually need to use a language. I'm not a native English speaker, and the way I learned the language is through television. Here in the Netherlands we didn't dub all of our shows and movies, rather we subbed them so I was always surrounded by English.
Now I know the translation between English and Japanese is a bit more rough, but honestly to begin you really only need kana, a basic grasp of the grammar rules and a lot of patience. Check the /djt/ resources and then leave the /djt/ forever and start reading Yotsuba

>>377698059
Animelon my nigga

>>377698034
/int/ has /djt/ and the occasional /lang/ thread check there.

>>377698119
>anime
no thanks

>>377698096
Even if they don't speak it well, they'll understand you. And there are English signs all over the place in major cities. Unless you really want learn Japanese you won't just by being in Japan.

>>377698164
I spent half a year in Japan and niggas do not understand english. Like clearly they were sleeping in that class because the only people who knew english were the ones that fucking love America. Much different in Korea where damn near everyone spoke english on some level.

You will get by in Japan without Japanese but the experience will be significantly watered down cause you can barely communicate even the most simple things.

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>>377690817
working on it op. studied on my breaks at work a year ago, recently got a tutor and can read and write about 50 kanji. my speech is pretty awful but she's helping me with my problem areas. Heading overseas in september for a few weeks to enjoy the nature and be immersed in the language a bit. short term goal is to get out of cyber security and into typesetting or publishing for an american branch of a manga publisher. long term is work in japan in either cyber security of media localization. follow your dreams friends

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>>377698164
Maybe if you hang about Dotonbori and Namba all day long sure, but the moment you go slightly outside of the centre to Neyagawa or Shijonawate good luck finding proper English signs. Only the train stations and road signs will have some form of english scribbles on them

>>377698318
>Osaka faggot

>>377695183
keep at it. kanji sucks when you first start but its a fucking godsend once you start getting the hang of it

>>377690817
على أساس أنك الحين تعرف لغة ثانية غير الانجليزي؟ شرط انك ماتعرف الا إسباني لأنك درسته في المدرسة, غير ذلك زين لو تعرف تتكلم انجليزي مضبوط يامخنث

انقلع رح لألعابك اللي كلها شخصيات مخانيث ولا متحولين جنسيا تقول كأنه شخصية أر بي جي قررت فجأة تغير شكله

كسم البورد اللي قلب كله مخانيث فاتحين طيزهم للمطور الغربي الي بيجيب فيهم العيد وبيخلي الالعاب كلها للمخانيث بس

>>377698264
That's because you worked with some low-skilled waiters and shit.

>>377695231
That is a very good result.

t. passed N1 with near full marks

>>377698439
I've worked with engineers from Japan and they speak english at a 2nd grade level.

>>377698439
Sure, pal.

I appreciate threads like this

Every now and then I wonder what it would be like to learn Japanese and play games with my waifu.

Then I see just how much of an autist you have to be to absorb such a difficult language and do something else with my time.

>>377698532
Apparently it's autism to learn a foreign language

>>377698463
How close?

>>377698532
>Then I see just how much of an autist you have to be to absorb such a difficult language and do something else with my time.
Like browse 4chan you mean.

>>377698264
>sleeping in class

They're English education is shit to begin with, but I can totally see how many would sleep through it.

>>377698532
How many languages do you even know anon? Don't tell me that you only know English, cause that'd be embarrassing.

>>377698532
Just do it
Learn Kana in one day
Get Anki and learn 20 words every day
Get a grammar guide (I don't know if Tae kim is good)
You are golden

>>377698582
Four points off, if memory serves.

>>377698619
*their

Fuck I should just go to sleep.

>>377698689
Very good.

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REMEMBER ANONS:
Learning Kanji is fine. However grinding only kanji every day is not the way to go.

Apply your knowledge. Learn through exposure. If your only exposure to Japanese is you grinding 20-30 kanji on a daily basis you will start hating Japanese and yourself. Read a little kids manga/book, watch a chinese cartoon without subs first and with subs afterwards and do a check of what you knew. Just keep applying it. You didn't know how to cycle at first and most likely tripped up a lot or got help from your parents and some training wheels. A language is almost like that

>>377698854
Give me a manga

>>377698854
>watch a chinese cartoon

Wat?

>>377698926
http://livingjapanese.com/pages/reading_packs.html

>>377698663
This, there is nothing funnier than being a monolingual idiot lmao

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>>377698926
LNs are better. Eroge even better.

>>377698065
Beginners might read "skip kanji and learn vocabulary" as him telling them to not bother learning kanji that goes with words, but to just learn their phonetic instead.

Like instead of bothering to learn 尊敬/そんけい/Respect they'll just learn そんけい/Respect and think that's it. "Skip kanji" right?

>>377699075
純文学 even better.

>>377699075
How are LN's even that different compared to VN's when it comes to the content you are actually reading?

I mean VN's have pictures more often, sure, but I notice they don't give a fuck and just go ahead and describe the scene regardless of the picture being right there, so you end up reading what's going on anyway. Just like you would in a LN.

>>377690817
What's an interesting /v/-related way to study Japanese? There was this RPG Maker Hiragana game in steam a couple months ago and I've pretty much started learning kana from there. Duolingo on iOS also has Japanese now.

>>377699337
Yeah, but you can't read such works, you just saw the term on Kastel-sama's twitter.

I know the hiragana, the katakana and pretty much all of the grammar, and I'm about to start learning the Kanji. What am I in for?

>>377698264
i disagree with korea, i was there for 3 months and no one spoke english unless they were like 13 (or they were too nervous and defaulted to korean)

>>377698264
whats "some level" I know a guy fluent in Korean and been living in Korea for a long time and understands the culture and he constantly just talks shit on people in English expecting them not to understand shit.

>>377699409
Projecting, are we? I don't follow the moogy brigade that closely, bud.

>>377699403
>Duolingo on iOS also has Japanese now

Fucking finally. Such a brilliant idea for an App and they start with the weirdest languages no one is interested in.

>>377698532
>japanese is hard
Fuck this meme, if I didn't fell for it I would've been fluent in japanese by now.

>>377699372
VNs have voices, sprites and backgrounds giving you more context.

>>377699415
>pretty much all of the grammar
I seriously doubt an everyday regular native knows "pretty much all of the grammar".

>>377690817
No, I'm too busy learning Korean for a linguist role in the navy.

>>377699372
Not that different, considering tons of vn writers do lns as well.

>>377695606
Duolingo, shit is free

>>377699514
Voice is irrelevant since they are just voicing what's written there anyway. You are reading it regardless.

I already spoke about "sprites and backgrounds". They describe what's going on regardless of the picture already showing it. It doesn't replace the narration. Even though the person is right there in the fucking picture and you can see their face, they still go ahead and describe their facial expression in detail in the narration, for instance. At least the ones I read did so.

They just seem to ignore the fact the picture is right there and just describe it like it was a LN.

>>377699767
>Voice is irrelevant since they are just voicing what's written there anyway. You are reading it regardless.
I disagree, tone and delivery add a lot of context to a line.

>>377699767
Intonation plays a big part in understanding spoken Japanese though. It's fine if you just want to read for games/manga, but if you want to learn how to speak and listen to Japanese, you actually need audio.

>>377699767
You're looking at it from the perspective of someone who doesn't have any problems reading standard LNs and VNs.

But from a learner's perspective voices, sprites and backgrounds can help.

>>377699867
And in a LN that is described in the narration. In a VN that is described in the narration.

I know it sounds very redundant for a narration to go ahead and describe things that you can see/listen for yourself, but they do it.

>>377700060
I'm not sure that's as widespread in vns as you think. Maybe in more moogycore works where the writer is aiming to pile up as many kb of text as possible, but in the majority of games? Not so much.

Recommend some easy VNs. No weeaboo shit.

>>377700221
紅殻町博物誌

日本ゲームをしませんよ。

>>377692627
You can learn Japanese through all three of those though.

>>377700221
Naruto

>>377699613
>Duolingo
>Not the DJT site

Silly anon

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>>377690817
/v/, how can I motivate myself to learn Japanese in the long run? I've tried to since I love me my anime & manga, have plenty of games that are Japanese-only and would enjoy reading game interviews that were never translated into English but it just doesn't help me at all.

>>377699613
Duolingo doesn't have Jap though.

>>377700220
Eh, I can concede to that I suppose. Though I still think they are way more similar than people give them credit for.

>>377700436
play only japanese games (with no subs) and talk to japanese girls that can't speak english until you're so frustrated that you have to learn.

>>377700436
Start lifting. You need the self esteem boost.

>>377700436
>have plenty of games that are Japanese-only
List them.

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>>377700436
Get a waifu

Who /duolingo/ here

>>377700436
>how can I motivate myself to learn Japanese in the long run?

Just keep asking yourself if you want to learn Japanese.

>>377700571
who the fuck is duolingo

>>377690817
Why would I learn a dying language? Their culture is going to be replaced because those nips can't get it up

>>377700702
That's exactly why you need to keep the language alive. Pretty soon Japanese will only be spoken by white male virgins.

>>377700648
Me.

>>377700779
>implying stupid whore gyarus in the street will ever know English beyond dirty words
cmon now son

>>377700436
You can shoot yourself with a gun. No really, kill yourself! You'll never learn Japanese and you are a waste of space. :)

>>377700702
This. Learn Chinese if you want to learn a relevant language.

>>377700836
t. xiang ping pong

>>377700779
meh we got plenty of other Asian languages, losing one won't matter. They all sound like gobbledygook anyway

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>>377700836
>chinese

>>377700481
on iOS it does

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>>377700836
>Learn Chinese

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>>377700481

>>377700960
Nice, you'll be on your way to giving up in no time!

What's with this dying language meme? Oh no Japan will have 80 million people instead of 120 when I'm dying. Nothing's happening in your lifetime.

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>>377701012

>>377701039
>taking shitposters seriously

>>377701039
japan will hopefully embrace islam

>>377700960
Things like this are typical Redditry.

Endless discussions about what's the best way to study, using various shitty apps and shit, everything to avoid actually studying.

>>377700950
This dumb picture again.

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>>377700960
もちろんです。

>>377701178
>>377700960
Man I can't take shit like this seriously. Hiragana 1, 2, 3 and 4? Cmon. Just learn the entire fucking hiragana in a day or two and move on.

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Looks like I need to start again.

>>377696753
>Learned 4500 kanji in a year

No you didn't, you fucking retard. Whatever grasp you had on it must have been extremely fleeting, and good studying is done by reinforcement, not just flashcards.

>>377700941
くつ

>>377701309
You have autism. Here's why >>377697286

>>377690817
Im reading yotsuba right now.
Its harsh.

>>377701309
>good studying is done by reinforcement
You can't guarantee you'll be reinforcing the words you need to when reading though. All you can do is read a lot and hope you'll see the words you needed to fixate.

>>377701359
No.

>been here since 2005
>total long term autist
>living the dream, came to japan (currently in inaka)
>dating cutie japanese girl (but she is a few years older

I made the dream happen you autist fucks. If I can do it, every single one of you can too.

>>377701261

It uses the hiragana to form new words and phrases as you learn them. If you already know the kana you can breeze through that shit in a day.

I have very basic conversational Japanese (like n5) How can I use games and things to get better. Any recommendations?

>>377701438
>new words and phrases
Such as?

>>377701519
Why did you type this?

>>377701515
Play games you already played in Japanese.

>>377701395
Uh, wtf? If you need a word, you'll see it when you read. If it doesn't show up at all when you read then you clearly never needed to know it anyway.

>>377701549
まんこ

>>377700436
Stop caring about learning japanese and make the learning itself a hobby. You won't budge as long as you only focus on the result.

>>377701519
I have blonde hair and blue eyes.
Jap girls fetishize the fuck out of me.

Just remember, japan is a real place. half the girls here are ugly AF just like any other country.

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>>377701609

>>377701549
simple stuff like ear, nose, cat, dog. instead of teaching you kana one character at a time (with writing practice) like most books, duo just shows your words and you get to learn the sounds the characters make as they are read aloud. pretty different from how i learned but i bet it's pretty effective. good luck learning to write via duo though

>>377701554
He parodies the type of Redditor they make fun of at his home subreddit of /r/japancirclejerk.

>>377701714
that being said, when i was learning kana i just chewed through a practice workbook and drilled the characters into my head by just writing A to Z out on notebook pages every day like a robot. only when i started using words and sentences and trying to actually read and speak did the shit start sticking.

>>377700919
>>377700960
>iOS
>Android (in "a few weeks")
call me when they have an actual release date for Android.

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>>377701702
Is this you?

what japanese learning games would you guys recommend?

>>377701609

Pretty sure you meant まんが. まんか is cunt.

>>377701860
>sebastian

I aint no eastern euro trash.

>>377701902
None, I'd recommend learning Japanese.

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>>377701860
>swiss

>>377701860
sounds like the dumb roastie deserved it tbqh

>>377698667
Recommended anki decks?

>>377690817
I already completed some non-translated fighting games. Its not like i need to know japanese to understand vidya menus anymore.

>>377702051
Core 6k.

>>377702060
Oh yeah, you're real cool. Yep. Real fucking smart. Faggot.

>>377701916
Anon, I knew exactly what I was doing.

>>377690817
Why mow my own lawn when somebody can do it for me?

>>377690817
just finished 三枚のおふだ
knowing katakana/hiragana and some grammar is enough if you use programs like jparser to play untranslated games

>>377700941
this one trips me up. i get mr kimura. i get blue shoes (or necktie, skirt, sushi) i get "is person"

care to explain the particle を?

>>377702339
>shoes (or necktie, skirt, sushi
The choices are shoes, suit, skirt and necktie.

を there is the simplest usage of を there is, marking the direct object.

している there is the usage that refers to a person's outward characteristic, in this case clothing.

So the question is which of the articles of clothing can be used with をしている.

>go to japan
>live there for 6 months
>it sucks
>their food sucks
>all they eat ever, is stuff you can heat up with water, because literally none of them have stoves
>their microwave dinners are packets you put into a pot of boiling water to heat up
>they are dirty people who pick their nose in public right infront of you and soap is literally nonexistent
>the taxi drivers wear the white gloves because they sit outside all day long and piss in public streets and never wash their hands, they just put on the gloves again
>theres no insulation because they are retards, so 50% of the year you are freezing your ass off
>their precious meme tier stores and food places are that way because they are garbage quality and need to try to attract attention
>this applies to all of their "culture" another shitty asian place, with all the flair and meme bullshit are just because its so dreary and drab place to live

>>377701563
I'm clearly not talking about words that don't show up at all, they don't even deserve mention. I'm talking about there being no guarantee that you'll be reinforcing precisely the words you needed to reinforce when doing a reading session because unlike flashcards, the words you'll find when reading are completely out of your control.

For instance, maybe you just learned 獲得 and it would help you fixate it if you unexpectedly saw and recognized it in a reading session. It's a common word but even then there's no guarantee you'll come across it while reading today. Or even this week. Maybe you'll see it again 2 weeks from now. Does that mean "you clearly never needed to know it"? Fuck no. That's just how reading goes. Sometimes things show up right away and sometimes they take a while.

All you can do is just read a lot and hope it'll show up sooner rather than later.

>>377702339
を marks the object.

So if you eat something:
私 は なにか を 食べる。
I (topic) something (object) eat.
I eat something.

In this case, している means "to be doing"

So it's a bit strange in my opinion but it's basically saying:

Kimura-san is the person doing a blue suit/skirt/necktie.

It could mean wearing, making, selling, etc. depending on the context.

>>377702659
Uh, just look it up again? Are you stupid? It's not like you're going to forget ever again after the second or third time you look something up. Flash cards are for dumb pussies. Have fun wasting your time I guess.

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>>377702507
oops, looks like i read ツ as ㇱ. lol

also, very helpful explanation of the particle. thank you!

>>377702867
Ultimately I think it's about finding a method that works for you and that you can enjoy.
Motivation is one of the biggest factors in learning a language in my opinion. Another is immersion (AKA going to the country in question).

>>377702867
>Uh, just look it up again?
>Uh, wtf?
Nevermind the argument you guys are having,
but did anyone ever mention you type like a retarded teenager?

I'm learning hiragana and know all the symbols. But just doing the symbols over and over means shit to me. Is there a website that will present me with words or something in hiragana and I can type out the romaji from them? I feel like actually reading stuff even if I don't understand it would help me get it actually stuck in my head

I'm 3000ish words through Core6K but I haven't read anything.
Should I go through Tae Kim and start on Yotsuba, or is Dictionary of Japanese Grammar and graded readers a better path to success?

I just want to read 魔法少女育成計画 and play シェルノサージュ ;_;

>>377700836
Fuck the Chinese

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>>377702734
also very helpful. thank you!

>>377703058
Try reading it and translating page by page.
If you manage to stick with it your reading abilities should improve a lot.

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>Spent 2 hours on Du-lingo cos of this thread

At-least I can now say Red, White and Blue in another language

>>377703051
Has anyone ever mentioned to you that you're an old balding wrinkly sack of shit? Stop getting mad at teenagers, 90% of the time they're in better shape and smarter than you.

>>377703056
If you're into manga you can just make it a habit to read all the sound effects since they're often left in japanese.

>>377702734
>it's a bit strange in my opinion

It's not strange at all, it's one usage of する.

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/120514/meaning/m0u/
> 身に付ける。「ネクタイをする」「マスクをする」

>>377702580
Why would you ever fall for the "living in Japan" meme? They make good entertainment, and the country is pretty clean. That's not a reason to live there.

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>>377703192
>being this mad that people noticed
Uh, dude chill?????

>>377703319

>wanting to live in an ugly, stinky, cramped city
>wanting to live in an ugly, stinky, cramped city in japan, a place that has some of the most beautiful natural areas in the world

doin it wrong

>>377702507
>So the question is which of the articles of clothing can be used with をしている.
Which is? Honestly I feel like all of them could use one of the "to wear" verbs except for necktie which I am unsure of.

>>377703140
No problem.
I like to see anons studying Japanese.
It's good for one's own mind I think, and it's also important as a factor in downloading Japanese culture into the West.

I would like to see, in a couple years, anons mixing English and Japanese freely on imageboards and chats. A kind of combined language.Would be cool.

Something like:
>yeah 猫がいるけど i'm allergic
>pineapple pizzaがほんとにdelicious
>言ったけど、she 音楽聞いてた。

Well that's my fantasy lol.

>>377703289
Ah I see thanks. I've never really heard that irl here.

>>377703319
It's interesting and it allows you to get a second cultural perspective on life way different from Western culture. When you have two perspectives, you can compare and contrast and it allows you to abstract out the human condition more and understand life, imo.

>>377698414
is this hiragana?

>>377703651
>anons mixing English and Japanese freely
I don't see this happening, but it does happen with my own language and English when I speak with friends.

It's pretty fucked up honestly.

learning a language and being able to use it somewhat competently does not mean mastering the language. don't stress so much over mastering Japanese

>>377703651
>yeah 猫がいるけど i'm allergic
>pineapple pizzaがほんとにdelicious
>言ったけど、she 音楽聞いてた。
Please never do this again.

>>377703623
ネクタイ

With くつ and スカート you use 履く (はく) with スーツ you use 着る (きる). That leaves ネクタイ. I even checked in the answer sheet.

It's even as an example in the dictionary. >>377703289 「ネクタイをする」

>>377703810
I heard some people here in Japan once like combining California slang dialect English and Japanese and switching back and forth mid-sentence. It was really amazing to hear lol.

I hear Duolingo will add Japanese soon. And that it's already out on iOS. I'll try that out maybe. Did learn some very basic French in just a week but I got bored because I frankly don't care about the French. I'm curious to see how it will work with the moonrunes though.

>>377703804

I think it's German.

>>377703959

Nah mate its Londonese

>>377703868
It's the future anon. I want to see kanji in the middle of English sentences.

>>377701902
This is like asking "what multi variable calculus learning games do you recommend"?

You don't learn that shit playing video games. You learn it in the most boring and sanity breaking ways possible

>>377703923
>With くつ and スカート you use 履く (はく) with スーツ you use 着る (きる). That leaves ネクタイ.
>Honestly I feel like all of them could use one of the "to wear" verbs except for necktie which I am unsure of.
Alright well that's kind of what I said, except I was wasn't so certain about it. Thanks for clarifying though.

>>377704056
Yeah, sorry, I didn't really read your post enough.

>>377703954
works on a web browser with a little html edit.

someone posted it pon their forums a few days ago.

I got in by spoofing a POST request once I read that it was possible to "glitch" in, but before actually reading the thread explaining how (Hey, I'm a redditor; I don't read posts! Only titles and comments)
There's an even easier method than tampering with the HTML on the page. Just paste this in your console (accessed by pressing F12) and hit enter:
$.post( "switch_language", { learning_language: "ja" } );
This sends a POST request to the server to set your active language to Japanese, just like the other trick

>>377701916
>まんか is cunt
were you also doing that on purpose?

>>377690817
pre 2006 western games utterly rape any gook schlock to death you estrogenic scrawny weeb faggot

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日本語は出来るけどクソJRPGには一切興味ねー

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>>377690817
Yeah. I finished Xenogears just two days ago in a japanese playthrough. I thought it'd be hard and have some untranslatable sentences or whatever but it was fairly straightforward, other than the occasional cryptic sentences. But they're cryptic because you have no idea what's actually going on, not because the japanese is hard.

>>377704302
It works for changing the active language but both the web version and mobile still says it's not available. I'm in no hurry though.

>>377704507

I fucked up there. Not used to using the Japanese mobile keyboard.

>>377702580
I've been living in Tokyo for over 2 years and haven't really had any problems with anything you said.
Especially with the freezing part, I've got the opposite problem of being hot too long.

>>377690817
Should I put effort into learning some Jap before I visit Jap?

The irony of this thread is that video games are often awful for helping you learn a language.

Go do something that depends almost, if not entirely, on reading. Such as a novel, LN, VN, hell even manga to a lesser extent.

Video game usually has a lot of gameplay, in which you are, surprise, playing more than reading. Also, often in gameplay you'll see the same repetition of words like 防御 or 攻撃 or wtv that you don't actually need to see 2000 times and therefore could be using your time for something else more productive.

>>377704950
Yes.

>>377704990
Short time, I agree it isn't worth it to try to learn a language through games, but most of my english (as a non native speaker) I learnt from years spent in WoW.

>>377705005
I already know how to say "Thank you", "I love pussy" and "Die", what else should I know.?

>>377705209

Proper pronunciation.
How to order something in a store.
How to ask where something is.
Words for station, train, subway, hotel, bus, etc.

>>377705209
>"I love pussy"
I would honestly like to see you using that line to a strange Japanese woman in the attempt to get laid.

>>377701363
>being wrong is autism

Everything is autism to you idiots.

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Select the with the same meaning as the underlined part of the sentence.

>>377705383
Noted
>>377705390
It's ok I just hit the ladies with the ecchi shiyouze.

>>377705710
You in the future:

http://web.archive.org/web/20161226154853/https://funthingsarenotfun.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/bittersweet-tokyo/

>I tried to love someone here. We talked on Facebook every single day long conversations, the friendliest girl I have ever spoken to. We hung out several times, including the long, long day in Asakusa, which was without exaggeration the happiest I have felt in years. She made me believe there was a real connection between the two of us. And then she suddenly started to distance herself from me, rejecting my invitations and gradually taking longer and longer to respond with each message, to the point where I now doubt there will ever be another. It fucked me up in a big way. I missed entire weeks of classes, drunk myself silly on a few occasions (including getting myself lost in Bunkyo for an entire day), made a habit of going on long walks to nowhere, prayed at shrines to no avail, and wondered every single day what the hell it was that I did wrong.

>My patience has run so thin that today I essentially told another girl (my closest Japanese friend or so I thought) to fuck off after them turning me down twice for Christmas. I figured it wasnt worth bothering with people who dont care.

...

>I want to spend more time reading, playing games, watching anime and doing the things that made me happy. I want to, but every time I try the unbearable torrent of shittiness eventually hits me and I feel a need to go for a walk or message people or do something equally pointless and empty.

>>377705693
B

>>377705459
>>377701363
Not him, just a bystander, but people usually do 20 new cards a day by default. A year has 365 days.

How is 4k in a year hard to grasp?

>>377705693
I know 暮らし but not 暮らしぶり. I feel like I always come just short in these stupid questions.

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Welp, guess I can stop now.

>>377705939
If you know 暮らし it's enough to guess the answer, since only one option is not nonsensical. Also, you probably know ふり (振り)

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>>377705798
Mhm.
Once more.

>>377705939
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/195473/meaning/m0u/振り/

>>377706214
D

>>377706389
Nah, B.

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I replayed FF1-10 and Tactics in Japanese over the first 4 months of the year, and now I'm doing the DQ series, on 3 right now.

>>377699613
I started using this a few days ago

Think this will help me stay motivated and continue learning

At least, until I have to learn more grammar and kanji

>>377706129
By heart I knew 振り as a swing/shake/wave etc. I guess the appearance/behavior part of the word got forgotten. Plus the suffix that reads ぶり meaning style was just not known at all until just now.

Also it doesn't help that it doesn't use the kanji, it just goes ぶり.

In any case that post was my before google thoughts since I don't imagine they will let me google stuff in the middle of the test. I went after the word right after posting already.

In the end, what's the best way to learn?

Last time I tried before I lost motivation I just stared at an image with all the kanas and wrote them repeatedly. Worked better than I thought, I guess, since it has been over 4 months and I still remember 1/2 of the ones I practiced.

>>377707412
There is no best way to learn, you have to learn how you learn best.

If any of you want to use Duolingo japanese on the browser, this enables it: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/29908-duolingo-enable-japanese

>>377707085
This is the good part about japanese. Now that you know that nuance you'll never run into trouble when you see the word. When you understand the flow of japanese, it's all about chaining the simple elements into greater and more complex constructions. It reminds me of lisp

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Is the sequel to Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland any good?

>>377707461
That is probably the best answer now that I think about it. Wish I remembered how I memed myself into learning English so I could do something similar.

What would you recommend, thou? Is that DJT 'guide' in any way reliable?

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>>377707570
Try this.

This one I didn't know, cause I've never seen this usage of 騒ぎ before. I tried to think it through (based on the flow you mention) and sadly still reached the wrong conclusion.

>>377707653
Recommending a specific way is irresponsible. I know you just want an easy answer to calm your worries, but you really should just try everything and see what sticks the best. All I can recommend is what I did, which only worked for me because I have strong confidence in my memory. I didn't follow DJT's guide so can't comment on it.

>>377707737
D

>>377706214
>にて承る
Can someone explain this? Isn't にて for location? Can it really be used for cheap? Plus I have no idea what 承る is doing.

>>377707976
Nah, C.

As per https://kotobank.jp/word/騒ぎ-512666

>大辞林 第三版の解説
>(「…どころのさわぎではない」などの形で)そんななまやさしい程度ではない。それどころではない。 「忙しくて旅行どころの-ではない」

>>377707737
A? I'm aware どころ has that connotation of extreme contrast, but in this case it feels like the speaker is merely denying the ruckus being made regarding the difficulty of the test.
>>377708072
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/167592/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A6/
It has 5 distinct meanings.

>>377707518
So how exactly am I supposed to "write in Japanese?" Does this thing assume I have a moonrune keyboard?

>>377708114
Ah, wow. I've probably seen that before and understood it wrong. Reminds me of とてもじゃないけど, which throws off even japanese people.

>>377708232

Does the web version support typing I. Japanese? Kinda getting tired of the multiple choice card thing on mobile.

>>377708142
Someone with that kind of question is clearly not gonna be able to read that. I've seen people doing that when helping others with beginner questions quite a lot and I always wondered if they are actually trying to help or just making fun of the guy.

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>>377708359

>>377708072
にて in this case simply serves a more formal and polite version of で.

承る is like "take" or "accept", used in businesses by employees against customers. Specifically when taking customers' orders etc. And that's what you need to realize is the case here. So the sentence is "take orders at cheap price" = "will produce cheaply" = B.

>>377708232
If you're on windows, Microsoft IME automatically converts romaji into kana and kanji.

>>377708401
You're right. That probably came off pretentious, but I just grew used to using goo everytime I have a question.

>>377699613

Shill detected

>>377708615
And what does that mean?

>>377708719
It means that you type in Japanese as it is spelled using the Latin alphabet and your computer automatically converts it to Japanese.

How/where do I start learning Japanese?

>>377708895
at uni
or just pick up a book

>>377708530
I see. I feel like more than one option makes sense though. For instance A: you took a cheap order, naturally you'll make the final price cheap.

I guess it's missing the actual question since it just does a statement and then throws things at you. Is this a JLPT exam?

>>377708859
I'm not getting any of this. Probably a reason why this isn't fully released yet.

>>377708991
The first part of the sentence disqualifies A. It's オーダースーツ, suits they'll produce for you when you order them.

A means "make cheaper". For that to work they'd have to have already made suits and only be selling them.

It's not JLPT, but an exam for a scholarship by Japanese government.

>all this duolingo shilling
How is it different from memrise or anki?

>>377706812
how did you get to the level to comfotably play these games???

>>377701062
Of course it's a nogicuck, and an asukafag at that. Disgusting.

>>377690817
i only play good games

>>377709280
I don't know but it's free and on IOS. That makes it useful.

So what actually is Japanese for "The pleasure of being cummed inside."?

>>377709370
Not him, but I just read a huge lot of visual novels, read a few light novels, and talked a lot with japanese people. After you do that, almost any video game is a piece of cake. I haven't met anything that gave me legitimate trouble ever since my 15th VN or so.

>>377708942
Go to djt, get some resources and get the fuck away from there since they are all retards who will spite you if you don't learn the way they do, even if it works for you

Also if you don't know where to look for, djt is in /jp/ I think

>>377708895
This was meant for you >>377709605

>>377709605
/int/ and /jp/ yeah

>>377707794
You're right.

Thanks.

>>377709605

/int/'s djt is slow but friendly. /jp/ is full of crazy assholes (big surprise).

>>377709280
how the fuck are you even supposed to use anki??

>>377709492
I think the phrase is 中出しの喜び but I haven't seen it in a while.

>>377709215
Alright bear with me if you can. 値段を安くします to me is literally "make the price cheap". So it makes sense: You are a tailor, you got a cheap order, naturally you'll make the price for the service/product cheap, since it's a cheap custom order after all.

I'm not saying B is wrong. I'm just saying A fits as well. You'll make the price cheap (A) AND you'll tailor/create it cheap by using cheap materials or wtv (B).

Right?

>>377690817
Japanese is fucking hard though

I am playing KanColle, correct.

>>377709770
>>377709715
I didn't know it got split but yeah, It's to be expected the /jp/ is full of autistic elitists.
The worst thing is most of them can't two full sentences but will fucking spite you if you don't drill 50 kanji a day with an anki deck

>>377709370
Just keep reading to get comfortable and add to your vocabulary. The mainline FFs and DQs (so far) were all pretty easy reads. Tactics was easily the hardest of them all, it uses a lot of vocab that I wasn't familiar with.

>>377690817
Fuck off weeb.

>>377709806
No clue senpai, I've been using memrise since I started. It's a bit suspicious how duolingo is suddenly the greatest thing ever.

>>377709806
Get the 2k/6k
20 new cards a day
50 reviews
have fun

>>377699403
Hack your 3DS or get a PS3/PS4. Once you've learned the kana and some grammar you could jump into something like pokemon or something with furigana like Yokai watch.
I just finished playing through Kingdom Hearts and it was pretty easy to understand.

>>377709531
but before you read VN's??

I've hiragana and katakana down for years, can understand and speak at an extremely basic level. been to japan a couple times also.

just wondering what is the next best step, grammar or vocab or something else? and how to go about it.

>>377710063

Duolingo has been around for years and has been advertised as a free competitor to Rosetta Stone. Gained a ton of traction with people trying to learn Spanish, French, German, and English.

>>377709831
You make a fair point, but I think you're missing one aspect of 値段を安くします in relation to 格安にて承ります.

格安にて承ります means they will accept the order at a low price from the get go.

The process of 値段を安くします needs for the price initially being high and then being made lower. This ultimately doesn't fit with 格安にて承ります, where the price is low from the start.

It's also worth noting these questions always tell you to choose the 最も good answer, which is B no matter how you slice it.

>>377710136
i'd just prefer to emulate. does kingdom hearts on ps2 have that? also, im only at kana, i dont think i'd understand anything at all

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Is it even worth it at this point? I'm 24 years old and I started yesterday. I love video games and anime and I want to visit Japan again

I was scribbling あ in a notebook yesterday and it looks like the diary of a madman

>>377710534
I started at 25, and was playing games by 26 (slowly, mind you).

>>377709970
i tried doing this with zelda albw because it has hiragana/furigana, but i myself moving way too slow due to always looking at a dictionary.

should i just endure on, or try something easier??

>>377710474
It'd be best just to grind out some basic vocab and grammar before you start anything to be honest. If you try and jump into a game without even knowing kana you'll stop after 5 minutes.

>>377710534
You're never to old to start my man, go for it.

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>into VNs, get bullied by JOPs all the time
>fuck it, start learning jap around this time last year to read kamige
>things are going fine, actually having fun
>baldr sky gets announced at AX
>lose a bit of motivation but it's fine, wasn't my most anticipated read either way
>1 month later, Dies irae translation leaked
>lose literally every ounce of motivation I had left

>>377710181
1. Learn Kana.

2 and/or 3. Get tae kim level grammar which is basic but covers a lot of essentials, meaning anything less than Tae Kim level is just a no no for reading.

2 and/or 3. Alongside acquiring TK level grammar pick up a few essential words on like a core 2k deck or something. Here people might differ; Some might prefer to get the whole 2k words before reading, some 1k, some 500, wtv works for you. Chances are you'll be looking words up like a madman in your early reading experiences regardless if you went for that 2k or 500. Plus, the earlier you read the better, so my personal opinion is that you should definitely NOT go for something like 2k before starting reading.

4. Start reading. Get ready to look shit up.

>>377710664
Endure my dude. I'm not a native English speaker and I remember when I was a little kid I was actually looking up certain words in a Dutch-English dictionary, because back then the internet was still that weird dialup monster on windows 95. By the time I was 8 however I knew English better than most other people around me just because i wanted to play videogames and watch cartoons

>>377710812
Learn Japanese so you can taste Masada's grandiose Japanese. Even your screenshot showcases it.

No English translation will be close.

>>377690817
I import all my games now even though I'm not even close to fluent.

Should I play Nocturne Raidou version on Japanese to train?

i've been asking questions, see VN's keep on popping up.

are VN's nothing but weeb shizzz, not hating just not something i can get into.

>>377710812
There's still a huge difference between being able to read anything right away in original language and waiting for the next decade to enjoy a machine translation.

>>377711202
THey are. Some might have semi okayish stories, but they're still weeb shit

Why do japs have to keep using these fucking scribbles to communicate? Fuck this language.

>>377710997
Dies irae was my most anticipated read and my supposed reward for years of learning Jap, didn't feel like continuing at the time. Might go back since I'll have a lot of free time, still want to read chuunishit like Senshinkan and KKK.

Translation looks good though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMbt3qpzxLs

>>377710873
Addendum from a separate anon: while core 2k/6k are both really good decks they are tailored towards people learning Japanese for business purposes, which means that there will be a substantial chunk of words that aren't all that useful for a complete beginner. There's no shame in dropping core if you find yourself getting diminishing returns a few thousand words in.

>>377711586
For me one such reward was Monobeno Happy End. It was worth it. And reading Subahibi, Sakuuta and Dies irae only added to it.

>>377711908
is there an alternative with more commonly used words?

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>>377710330
>needs for the price initially being high and then being made lower.
I think it can also apply if you are creating a price from nowhere (such as a custom service provider assigning one) and you are stating that you are making it a cheap one from the get go.

Honestly there are quite a few different scenarios. For instance, a client could come to a tailor and say "I want a suit but I can only spend up to X" so the client is assigning a price and the tailor works with it. Or the client can simply say "I want something on the cheap side" which leaves the tailor to assign the price himself based on what he can do, and see if the value is acceptable by the client.

Assuming the tailor has a certain liberty to work with a price, then if you consider he was asked for something cheap, it's only natural that the price he'll come up with will be cheap as requested, so in that case the tailor would be 値段を安くしています as agreed. As in, he is not lowering a price that was higher, he is simply making the price where before there was none, and he is making it cheap.

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>>377690817
>he doesn't play games in the language of the country they came from

>>377710082

Max reviews or you'll biff up the spacing

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How to make grinding fun?
I need s scoring system

>>377710534

I started a month ago and I'm 29 so I fucking hope it's not too late for you

>>377711202
Some VNs have actually quite interesting stories with elaborate and well-nuanced themes, but aside of Mareni, Sakurai and a few others, they still have a lot of otaku tropes, even if they have decent stories.

>>377690817
fuck ye i m dragon's dogma. Japs are funny.

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>>377711952
>not pic related