This is objectively the second best game in the series. Why the hate?

>>377667567
That would mean it's better than either SJ or Nocturne

>>377667776
but is better than SJ

>>377667776
It is better than SJ lmao.

is grate gam

>>377667567
>second best
It's actually the best though. Final would have the best gameplay in the series and would be the greatest turn-based JRPG of all time if it used HP for phys skill, Vit, and skill affinities with skill inheritance.

>>377667567
I think it's pretty fun.

Is there hate?

It's damn good.

Post your favorite track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5tuE4_FcQU

Is that just the japanese release of Apocalypse?

>>377668504
>>377668561
>>377668904

This is why I fucking hate Nintenbros. SMT4 was god awful trash compared to Strange Journey so there's no fucking way Final is anything above a 6/10.

>>377667567
The only people that hate it are newfags/redditors who absolutely hate anime yet keep coming to this website

>>377669187
Explain in detail why it's bad.

>>377669184
Yeah.

>>377667567
>Nocturne
>Strange Journey
>Digital Devil Saga
>Digital Devil Saga 2
>Persona 2 Innocent Sin
>Persona 2 Eternal Punishment
>Persona 3
>Persona 4
>Persona 5

Not even close to second best.

>>377669398
>Persona series
>anything but glorified anime

>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-0WYtVqbyQ

>>377669187
Explain why it's bad and then I maybe change my mind.

>>377667567
but are the negotiations as shit as they were in 4?

>>377670429
Negotiations still start off fairly random like 4, but they carry on throughout attempts.

Even if you fuse a demon, and use it for awhile, when trying to recruit the same demon from a battle later on it will remember that you bro'd it up to shit on people and join up with you.

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>>377667567
>Why the hate?

The presentation, story, and atmosphere are a notable dip from IV, which is already a far cry from most of mainline.

Not to mention both IV & Final have tons of dialogue & text, and never lets the setting (which is conceptually one of the coolest alongside Nocturne & SJ) have a chance to breath or have any atmosphere.

Doi's character designs are even worse here where have the cast now looks even more generic anime than IV, despite the story actually going down an a darker more traditional SMT path than IV did.

Gameplay wise Final is best in the series, but god knows I don't want this to be presentation for the series now moving on

>>377672319
Anything involving the villains (Divine Powers, YHVH, even some of Dagda) are fucking great even in text form. Shame it's on a handheld

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>>377672319
>gameplay is the best
>but it looks more anime so I don't like it

>>377672319
Aren't Doi's designs all neutered heavily by ATLUS though?

>>377672747
The OST is forgettable trash though. I don't know why people suck its dick

>only on 3ds
why does this always happen

>>377673250
fatlus should put it on PC

square ported DS/mobile games to PC so fuck it

>>377667567
>The only SMT where humanity collectively got their shit together
>Finally strong enough to deal with Merkabah and Lucifer
>All plans ruined because two 15 year olds did the literal only thing they weren't supposed to do

Humanity will have its day eventually god damn it.

>>377673336
Don't count on it. Hopefully SMTV will be even more bleak than usual

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>>377673065
http://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2016/08/apocalypse-artbook.html
He has a lot of artistic liberty. Nanashi's initial design seems better though

>>377673431
Ehh too bleak and you get the first stretch of Flynn & Co's interdimensional adventures. There's gotta be a good balance between bleak, edgy, goofy, and serious.

>>377672319
>The presentation, story, and atmosphere are a notable dip from IV,
That's false though. The characters in Final are actually people and not Law and Chaos advocates that go completely 180. Asahi and Gaston get more character development than any previous mainline game and Krishna and YHVH are actually compelling villains. The scene from Anarchy when you strike down your friends is more memorable than the others games because of the time you spent with them. It not like the other games where the Law and Chaos hero's disagree with you once and then go haywire but you have no reason to care for them.
The atmosphere is also fantastic, since you really feel like a rookie at the beginning and even die at the hands of someone more powerful than you. Nanashi is a punk and he totally fits the post-apocalyptic landscape Tokyo Atlus was going for.

>>377673640
People don't want characters, they want Nocturne. It's always Nocturne but I understand why Nocturne is pretty gud

>>377673336
Humanity is only fit to be ruled and/or culled.

>>377667567

There's a character that pretty much is only there so she and the childhood friend girl can fight over your dick. They force her into a plot point later on, but having that be a part of a game called Apocolypse is jarring as fuck. You can tell they did it so they could try to guage reactions. They want to push social aspects into later games because SMT doesn't make us much as Persona.

Also, that fucking beach DLC.

>>377674139
I don't want another Nocturne. I want another II/Final. Nocturne is so boring when you're not in a central dungeon. Having the overworld be this bland and boring desert was mistake.

>>377672319
>Gameplay wise

That's the only thing that matters. The same themes that have been in SMT since the first one are in Apocalypse. You're retarded.

>>377674139
this is true all the fucking time, they always want nocturne.

but >>377673640 was right, all the things he mentioned was on point.

It's just a different perspective (a more natural
on my opinion)

>>377667567
MUH KANEKO FUCK DOI AND FUCK PERSONA

>>377669187
SJ is a DS game you mong.
>b-but nintendo

>>377673640
Oh and I forgot to mention, but it makes sense why Asahi is on Nanashi's dick all the time due to their time spent living together, they're essentially family, both Nanashi and Asahi care too much for each other even if Nanashi can bully her, and them being reincarnations of Akira and his sister. I don't really understand why people are annoyed by it.

>>377672747
I hated it but I can't stand everyone being pissy that it wasn't Persona DS, so now I want to like it out of spite

>>377675578
>I can't stand everyone being pissy that it wasn't Persona DS

Very few people expected it to be like Persona.

>>377675650
I don't mean literally everyone, I mean most of the people quoted in that image.

>guys I'm going to need to become the new god there's no choice since we're friends if you don't like it please just leave
>FUCK YOU WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MURDER YOU NOW

Thanks assholes

It should have matched IV in tone.

I pretty much remember nothing of SMTIV besides the general premise of a castle being built on top of a ruined Tokyo and that Luster Candy was amazing.

How strong is the connection between the two games? Would I be missing much?

>>377676103
Apocalypse start at the middle of the Neutral Route. Basically you just need to know the stuff before you tell the White to fuck off

I hated The power of friendship bullshit

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>>377673250
>>377673308
I've got some good news for you.

>>377667567
SMT4A is good despite its flaws like its stupid pay to get money fast DLCs and lack of defensive stat making alot of the harder bosses just power creep fights you win in 3 turns or don't.

But id say DDS1/2 and Nocturne are better. Id put it tied with 3rd with alot of other SMT games. Its good and improved greatly on everything in SMT4 besides the atmosphere.

>>377673579
he looks way better.

Fuck them for putting this dyke look a like as mc.

>>377669187
both are Nintendo games retard

also

Raidou series>All of SMT

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>>377676342
Kill your friends boyo

>>377676424
what emulator ?

>>377676626
Citra 3DS

>>377672319
>Gameplay wise its the best

Nah. Lack of defensive stat just makes every fucking actual hard fight RNG infested as fuck and all about smirking and ending it super fucking fast so you don't get your team nuked atleast on War or above.

Its still good but i prefer Nocturne/DDS for press turn. Everything makes sense and you can plan a strategy for every battle that will work if you pull it off. Same can be said for most of SMT4A but i feel the RNG was less polished especially on War/Above.

>>377673579
He looks like a nerd in his initial design.

I'd rather have young punk Nanashi.

>>377676424
GIVEEEEEEEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377672319
>never lets the setting (which is conceptually one of the coolest alongside Nocturne & SJ) have a chance to breath or have any atmosphere.
this is objectively incorrect

oh wait you're talking about Apocalypse not SMT IV. Nevermind you're right

>>377667567
The whole "I have my friends" stuff was really hammy and just really doesn't feel right in a SMT game.
Toki and Asahi being all over you was dumb too.
I enjoyed that it was different tonally, since it made traversing all the old environments feel different and having short terms goals.
But it wasn't the tone I wanted.
I still enjoyed it but I wouldn't more SMT games to be like it.

>>377667567
Am I the only one who liked IV better than Final?
It's hilarious to me that P5 has a non-neutered Hama/Mudo and the skills can inflict status without Smirk. How they managed to somehow make that mechanic worse is beyond me. It brings down turn press which is also starting to show its age

>>377673336
Humanity didn't do jack shit, though. Flynn singlehandedly saved them with practically no help.

Just like later on in Apocalypse, Nanashi does pretty much everything.

>>377676645
fps?

>>377676880
45-56 3d world
60fps battle

i7 + 980gtx

>>377676867
Didn't neutral end happens because Flynn practically becomes the second Masakado from people's faith?

>>377676771
>non-neutered Hama/Mudo and the skills can inflict status without Smirk.
Hama/Mudo are way better in Final and smirked skills are way more balanced. Salvation and Antichthon for example.

>>377676771
Completely RNG-based instant kill skills are shit in every JRPGs.

>>377676492
underaged

>>377669379
>>377670396

Because it removes VIT/DEF

>>377677865
It's still good without it. It would be better to have of course.

>>377677258
>way more balanced
for a game whose fanbase prides itself on difficulty, it's more oppressive when the enemy gets dice rolls in its favor to make up for lack of AI

>>377677445
so everything should be deterministic number crunching marathons?

>>377677258
>balanced
More like
>a chance to have a chance at having any fun

>>377678279
The AI is okay in all Megaten games and having the enemy get through drop on then dying to a random H/M spell is stupid as fuck. Salvation and Antichthon were broken in IV. Really Salvation has always been good. Final improved this by not allowing the player to spam it all time if they got fuck with ailments. Having certain skill status tied to smirked adds a lot of strategy to the game.

>>377678390
Sure?

>>377678776
>get through drop on then
get the drop on you than*

I just beat Shesa 1. When does it get good? It's dragging its feet more than a Persona

>>377678776
don't let them get the drop on you?
bring dark/light resist?

if the AI was good they'd be passing turns to ass fuck you as much as possible, but nope
they don't even always target weaknesses or try and soak up your resources

agree they're broken, but those are the only good thing about the new system. i disagree it adds any real complexity since you're not making any decisions you want to maximize how many smirks you have

i really hope 5 gets new mechanics

>>377677865
>removing VIT
>bad

lmao

>>377667567
the characters feel like they're from persona, the story sucks, all the levels except the last one are reused, mediocre atlus has been using the same sprites since 1997 when nintendo can model 400+ 3d pokemon models, worst mc a literal 14 year old.
I could go on and on...

>bananacakes homeslice
>toki
>human pascal
>gaston taking turns after being awakened
>Navara is a comedy punching bag
>STR is fucked and wont be fixed with mag being better overall anyways
>gee nanasi, how come you get to become john sue tier and get your universe and concubine.

>>377669518
As if that's even a bad thing.

>>377677865
wasn't it just another HP stat in SJ or am I misremembering

anyway, even Pokémon gets it right with the distinction between phys and magic defense
SMT needs more diverse roles otherwise it just feels as stifled and homogenous as sc2

>>377679843
>Str is fucked
No. In IV:A melee damage scales much better with Str than Dex

>>377679843
>He doesn't go gaga over his homeslice's bananacakes

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>Power of Friendship Bullshit
>In a mainline Shin Megami Tensei game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvhsJ1Jhw1w

>>377678776
You know what would be more strategical? Locking Smirk effects behind a dedicated "+ Effect" skill. There, I don't get freebies on top of hitting weaknesses and crits and dodging since those are things you want to be doing as much as possible anyway.

Such a blind fucking fanbase

>>377679379
>don't let them get the drop on you?
Impossible in IV while on the world map

>bring dark/light resist
You won't know into you get into battle and after that demons aren't always the same for each battle

>if the AI was good they'd be passing turns to ass fuck you as much as possible
If they did this the player would never be able to finish the game. They would completely abuse buffs and weakness more than ever if they could play like a player can if they could pass turns to each other.

>but nope
they don't even always target weaknesses or try and soak up your resources
They do. Enemies use life drain, MP drain, Macca beam. And if they know a enemy weakness they will target it. Also beast eye spam.

>maximize how many smirks you have
You can give yourself your own smirk or take away one from a enemy. On Apocalypse mode smirks, ailments and buffs are necessary due to the AGI penalty and you need to use these all effectively to win.

>>377669187
>nintenbros

both are on nintendo consoles you fucking moutbreather

>>377679843
MAG isn't as good as STR or DEX in 4:A.

>>377676492
>>377673579
nanashi looks like a punk cunt which is the point of his character

as much as I like the original this was the proper choiice

>>377675578
This is the most /v/ post I've seen in a while.

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Remember when SMT Had Dignity?

>>377680856
Yeah, Apocalypse was pretty good

>>377680182
Expect that less strategic because you would insta-kill everyone with Cold world, or have pierce early game.

>>377672319

Finally a butch lesbian protagonist.

>>377679887
soul hackers had different defensive stats for physical and spells, but both also helped compensate for the other a bit I think

>>377667567

Waiting for a sale since I didn't feel like paying the Atlus tax.

>>377680982
>tfw nanashi wasn't really a girl
Waste

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I think Isabeau is very likeable and cute.

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Leave persona to me senpai.

>>377681442
Monkey Ears.

>>377680579
>>377681103
>>377681170
>>377681442
>wanting to fuck a monkey

gross

Krishna was pretty hot

>>377680750
Hahahah! Le funny meme localization!

>>377680548
>Impossible in IV while on the world map
>You won't know into you get into battle and after that demons aren't always the same for each battle
Then bring them as a precaution if you're so scared? Shit it's not like dying even means anything anymore
SMT5 is just going to be another shitshow if it's save and restart anywhere all the time

>If they did this the player would never be able to finish the game. They would completely abuse buffs and weakness more than ever if they could play like a player can if they could pass turns to each other.
I want my hard vidya to be hard the fuck is the problem

>They do. Enemies use life drain, MP drain, Macca beam. And if they know a enemy weakness they will target it. Also beast eye spam.
not all the time unless its literally the only skill they know which isnt the case

>You can give yourself your own smirk or take away one from a enemy. On Apocalypse mode smirks, ailments and buffs are necessary due to the AGI penalty and you need to use these all effectively to win.

wow such tough choice, I'm sure after your 4 free turns using one of them to take away smirk is something you really need to meditate on because one of your 4 starters just really needs the smirk and extra turn for something significantly more important and it's completely not obvious what is better

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Niyari

>>377680750
>>377681731
...so this is the power of SMT... Whoa

>>377680934
cold world still is only % to kill and as before you're already going to be putting yourself in smirk state as much as possible anyway this way you're not getting a free turn and extra damage/damage mitigation on top of it

>bind + fundraise combo
>panic + trade combo
Is there anything more satisfying than robbing a demon blind?

>>377673579
That looks like Asahi's dad

>>377682473
reused design

>>377676424
>that armor set
Patrician taste

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She wanted Isabeau's dick.

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>>377682796

>>377669207
>The only people that like it are newfags/redditors who absolutely hate anime yet keep coming to this website
fix'd

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>>377681860
>Then bring them as a precaution if you're so scared?
I do. Still H/M being regular skills is better than the useless insta-kill H/M.

>Shit it's not like dying even means anything anymore
True for both games

>SMT5 is just going to be another shitshow if it's save and restart anywhere all the time
Expect it since P5 had it

>I want my hard vidya to be hard the fuck is the problem
Play Apocalypse mode. IV was never difficult I don't know how you would prefer IV if you wanted difficulty.

>not all the time unless its literally the only skill they know which isnt the case
No, enemies will target the players weakness if they know it and use the other skills I mention

>wow such tough choice, I'm sure after your 4 free turns using one of them to take away smirk is something you really need to meditate on because one of your 4 starters just really needs the smirk and extra turn for something significantly more important and it's completely not obvious what is better
Yes it's all superior to the original IV. Never said or implied it was this perfect, gameplay defining change. But what I said about Apocalypse mode is true.

>>377682134
If it was added as a skill you wouldn't use it. For one, the pierce type smirks would be removed entirely, and Cold World insta-kill is in SJ and it doesn't change gameplay at all. The smirk effects are there for smile charge and not something you depend on for extra damage unless you go magic. Having smirk helps magic builds stay effective late game due to them having them ability to crit with it. Enemies late game usually always have Magon anyway so they're going to waste a press-turn to remove it.

>>377669039
Divine Powers theme is so good for being such a simple track.

>>377669187

SMT4 was trash

Final fixed it

>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYVXdQQoAcc

>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w

>>377673640
No, having those ashole follow you around just means that when you kill them, you feel relieved that they're finally gone

>Muh character developement
Doesn't means shit if the characters aren't used in entertening ways. Persona 3 characters are more developped than any smt's but they are still extremly boring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG22JL4RRTI

The Tokyo theme in Apocalypse actually sounds a fair bit more hopeful compared to SMT IV's Tokyo theme. Which was a bit more mournful and melancholy in tone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

>>377683150
>I do. Still H/M being regular skills is better than the useless insta-kill H/M.
they shouldve done what p5 did and have damage and instant kill be separate skills then you have a choice which you've already made

>Expect it since P5 had it
at least its limited to safe rooms so there's still tension and you can't go and save after every battle

>True for both games
>Play Apocalypse mode. IV was never difficult I don't know how you would prefer IV if you wanted difficulty.
i did and i prefer iv for almost everything else, i get annoyed with people praising final like its battle system, its only saving grace, is flawless

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>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZWW5Jy_x0c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrx1sZYgp7E

I was actually more invested in Infernal and Blasted Tokyo than I was with regular Tokyo.

>>377683545
Except one of them is about exploring this strange new world right below the one you knew and the other is for 14 year olds playing on the streets.

>>377681549
why does everyone call her yukiko?
is it just because she has dark hair and something red on?

>>377683806
Yes

>>377683545
Makes sense with Flynn having to discover how fucked is down there while Nanashi's used to it by now.

>>377683806
smtkiddies have a phobia of persona so you need to make the association
if you keep pressing it they will develop a corruption fetish seeing their beloved series tainted by unholy spawn

>>377669187
>SMT4 was bad, there fore the sequel was bad
Making opinions on games youve never played, never change /v/

>>377683806
Art related reasons, some times it feels like the artists devolve back into Persona when making modern SMT art.

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>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XZzTq_gzI

>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE
While I love SMT IV's OST, Final is a lot more memorable. It just tries to be fun while IV's is serious.

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>>377683619
The battle theme turning into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w

was so great that when it went back to the normal one I just wanted the game to be fucking over.

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>>377673201
>play game
>enter first battle
>this theme plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRiBLgOm1mQ
Fuck you nigger, OST is so godlike, I wanted to kill it

Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQPDe1mU31s

>>377683545
Thats the problem. Shin Megami Tensei is not supposed to be hopeful. Its a Nihilistic cosmic horror story. Nocturne is the ideal Shin Megami Tensei game.

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>we might see more in a few weeks

>no end stat
LOL

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So I'm doing a wurld of strength build this time and it's working pretty well. is there an almighty physical move I can take or is there only Desperate Hit, which is gun?

Also

>Demoneeho
>clear gun focus
>higher str than dex

thanks

>>377683862
>>377683890
i'm honestly really relieved you guys feel this way too

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>>377683586
>they shouldve done what p5 did and have damage and instant kill be separate skills then you have a choice which you've already made
Pointless since you won't be using H/M in 5 because their useless. Its completely shadowed by Kouga and whatever dark is called.

>at least its limited to safe rooms so there's still tension and you can't go and save after every battle
Safety rooms in 5 are everywhere and there is zero tension. I played on Merciless mode first playthrough and never had trouble. Baton pass, tech attacks, are all way overpowered. Slink abilities killed the games difficultly. It's also the easiest game to max out all Slinks first playthrough.

> i did and i prefer iv for almost everything else, i get annoyed with people praising final like its battle system, its only saving grace, is flawless
I completely disagree and think Final is IV but just better.

>>377683538
No really. I prefer the cast to any other mainline game. All of them are very bland and stale. Nocturne's especially.

>>377683150
Then leave Cold World as it was in SJ?
I'm not talking about the extra damage from Smirk itself, but about using a skill whose main effect is to give you Smirk vs getting a Smirk from something you always want to be doing which is targeting weaknesses, getting crits and dodges/repels/null.
Baiting them to waste a turn on a filler party member or passing turns to make use of the +Effect sounds like real decision making to me.

>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFuWf_copM8

>>377667567
Is it worth picking up if the only SMT I've played otherwise is Nocturne?

>>377684051
>Final is a lot more memorable
Really? I only remember the boss themes for the Divine Powers, Battle F6 and F8.

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>>377680145
>Power of friendship bullshit

Alternatively
The complete opposite

>>377673579
the arm seems cool. the kinda-demifiend lines you get really don't amount to anything do they?

>>377684258
Sure, I recommend playing IV before it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3wS7QEwUbs

>>377684192
I am ready for TMS2

>>377684202
Not that I know of. It doesn't matter anyways you get free pierce later anyways.

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>>377669039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1qS9LMuK8M

>>377684106
>Fuck you nigger, OST is so godlike, I wanted to kill it
This fanbase is a special kind of special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDwBp5ddNOI

>>377684365
How ready would you be if they announced it and it had a sudden switch in tone leaning more into SMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USPfmvQnpZ8

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I'd love to play strange journey and other handheld SMT games but the gameplay looks so fucking boring I can't stand it.
Staring at a twitching sprite as you select menu things for 10 minutes and watch numbers flash is the height of boring.
Haven't we moved past this shit already? Technology is better than this.

>>377684440
As in Loki and pals rape idols SMT?

>>377684536
No Dante shows up.

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Still the best cast.

>>377684234
>Pointless since you won't be using H/M in 5 because their useless. Its completely shadowed by Kouga and whatever dark is called.
then we get to play our different ways without my playstyle being gutted for yours, like i said it's better having options and getting to make the call

even if only >1 enemy between safe rooms != save anywhere, i know which one i'd prefer

>>377684234
Wow. The SMT fanbase really is trash. Do you visit /mlp/ too?

So how long until a mainline game lets you fuse and control YHVH.

I figured out how to fix hama and mudo.
They act like Eiga and Koga except they do less damage than other elements but have a chance of instant death.

>>377684573
Preordered

>>377684532
I like card games so both IV were never a problem. I can see how people that start with the PS2 games don't like them though

Atlus's probably going to use P5's models for SMT V like Nocturne's models for the PS2 games so there's hope

>Before the game releases people find out that YHVH is involved again for the first time since 2
>Turns out he is chillaxing in his own dimension not bothering anyone and his dungeon is a glorified bonus dungeon

>>377684773
>Atlus's probably going to use P5's models for SMT V like Nocturne's models for the PS2 games so there's hope
I hope so. I hope they milk the hell out of those models.

>>377684731
Even better
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE 2 featuring Travis from the No More Heroes series

>>377684691
or just give me one or the other
people who just want damage dealers don't deserve insta kill

>>377684234
>I prefer annoying characters who follow you around and keep talking when they have nothing interesting to say over characters who actually advance the plot and the lore

Yeah, no. There's a reason why the plot become much better after getting rid of your "friends".

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>>377684856
I just hope they upgrade some models, Jacks model looks jaggy in the trailer like in P5

>>377684874
Oh that would be a treat.

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Felt kind of bad for YHVH desu

>>377684240
>Then leave Cold World as it was in SJ?
It was trash in SJ. Using Mabufudyne was better because of higher damage output and less MP

If you had a +skill effect it would be broken or useless. You can't have hama insta-kill like in Final because that's just a lucky effect to the player. You can't give them pierce physical because that's too broken early game.

>main effect is to give you Smirk
Simile charge does this.

>Smirk from something you always want to be doing which is targeting weaknesses, getting crits and dodges/repels/null.
Getting smirk won't change the flow of battle like it would in IV. Smirk is just a lucky effect for the player preparing his party before a boss.

>Baiting them to waste a turn on a filler party member
I used this tactic all time doing for bosses or fodder enemies that has Magon. Having a +skill effect won't change that.

>>377684532
Why should turn-based just be abandoned totally because other types of gameplay are now possible? SMT does turn-based right, and it works, and that's why they stick with it.

>>377684603
I think the problem is while you still have Hama/Mudo skills, they're obscenely expensive compared to Kouha/Eiga skills

Also stupidly while Die for Me and Samsara are still a thing, there's no Severe tier Light/Dark damaging spells. Instead you have HP halving skills, which are more expensive than the instant kills.

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>>377684587
Needs to be an image of the entirety of the Red Sprite.

>>377685195
He means IV and SJ's 2D battles.

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>>377685224
>bottom left
MY GODSLAYER

>>377680000
>see a 14 yr old orgasm
10/10 serious game guys, dark souls of persona guys.

>>377685161
Did YHVH actually create humanity though? I thought humanity created him.

>>377684930
I never found any of them annoying and they do advance the plot

>>377684979
Honestly I see these types of posts about the visuals a lot and I feel if thats the main reason people can't get into the series then its not the series for them anyway.

>>377684930
That's because after that Dagda start having more character than "lol fuck everything"

>>377685314
I think in the Persona universe, the collective unconscious is the result of human thoughts so gods are born from humans and in SMT humans are born from YHVH or some shit.

>>377685203
Kind of fits the motif of Light and Dark being more than mere elements. I always just saw them as an attribute that gets around conventional defenses/resistances since Almighty is late game expensive shit so thematically the lack of a severe tier and having halving HP makes sense.

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>people talking shit about 4 OST
Fuck you. It's literally the best OST in all of the Megaten series and spinoffs

>>377685314
It's weird. The Great Will created existence, as the world humanity and all other life forms exists in is a result of its own emotional/logical pool of thought spilling into realspace. From there, the collective conscience of all life forms pooled together to create the Expanse, and somewhere in there, we get all of the angels and demons and etc. However, YHVH is an avatar of the Great Will and is meant to create and govern life so that things don't fall apart. The issue is that YHVH is both a creation of the Great Will and is melded by the same powers that created the Expanse. The reason he's so bitter and hateful towards humanity is because not only are mankind constantly begging to destroy one another and summon demons ad nauseum to do it, but they constantly curse YHVH and the only ones who don't have nothing but contempt for their fellow man.
>LMAO SEE THIS IS WHY WE ALL HATE GOD!
You chaos faggots caused this yourselves.

>>377685543
In SMT humans are created by YHVH (and Mem Aleph to an extent). They are limited to prevent observation and stuff. YHVH himself is an avatar of the Axiom/Great Will

In Persona the chief ones, Philemon and Nyarly are formed from humans

>>377685272
>he doesn't play pen and paper RPGs
it's like you lack imagination

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>>377685423
Well, now folks are coming off the backs of Persona 5, I can't really blame them. Hell the last area of P5 is just a straight-up taste of SMT.


Considering Strange Journey, & SMT IV all have these great settings, its unfortunate they are all still not much more than set dressings sometimes, and pretty ugly to boot. Hell a part of Nocturne's appeal is that they final made a fully 3D environment appropriate for an SMT game, so much so that Nocturne focuses more on its setting than having a plot.

>>377685612
That's not Digital Devil Saga

>>377685612
I don't know about best, but it's really good. I don't even have the cart so it's been years since I played but I still play tracks in my head from time to time

>>377667567
Can't speak for others but the story is especially trash, half demon daddy issues, 40+ hours of friend bullshit boarding on harem shit.

If the whole story was like the last 5 hours of massacre I would have liked it a lot more. It's just way too happy.

>>377685612
But IV doesn't have the most comfy song in SMT

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE

>>377685396
>Blue dog
>Never shut up, out of place cheerfullness and removing her would only means one more battle against the giant lava serpent.

>Red fairy
>Help you on her island and then decide to follow you around, doing nothing but acting as your leader pretending that you're a team while you do all the heavy lifting

>Black loli
>Lol it's our best assasin and she's a 15 tears old loli also she call you master

>Gaston
>Ok character at first then become useless once he starts to follow you around like a dog

>Hallelujah
>Lost deviant art OC who took a wrong turn and ended up in an smt game

>Green flying snot
>Only exist so that he can get shit on

>>377686012
What about best girl Isabeau?

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>>377685797
Both came out before P5 and people still had the same argument about sprites, I think its a western thing though mainly due to the Pokemon community begging GF to just use sprites and the DQ community happy that DQ11 3DS has sprite options.
I still feel like if sprites are what hold you back then don't bother, they don't effect the core gameplay.

>>377685797
SMT had gorgeous areas and the late game dungeons were fantastic. Imagine an SMT game, fully 3D with on-screen enemies you can run away from or engage like in persona 3-5, HD demon models, a fully customizable main character with unique MC-only attacks, featuring Samurai Jack from the Samurai Jack series.

>>377686094
It's less that they use sprites, and more the fact that it's a first person turn based RPG where the only thing you see on screen are the enemies. It's very uninvolved and lacks any visual appeal whatsoever.
If the controlled characters had back sprites and movements/attack animations I doubt anyone would complain. As it is, it just seems extremely low effort.

>>377686171
>low effort
Atlus' MO

>>377686086
She's a good monkey.

>>377686094
the only good thing to come out of pokemon going 3D is making your character /fa/.
i don't get why the west has effectively fetishized technology <=> progress

>>377686171
get out of my dungeon crawlers. you probably never played Phantasy Star II or IV.

>>377686102
I kind of thing it's a bit of a missed potential to not have IV and IV:A on Wii U with 3D models like TMS

Then again Atlus love the DS and 3DS. EO, DeSu, Radiant Historia

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>>377686171
I honestly can't agree with that. They animated every single one of the hundreds of demons in their game (albeit simply, but they are still there). Adding needless backsprites for Pokemon flavor would not only be pointless, but it would also erase how cool the front portraits are for demons you genuinely enjoy. Not to mention all you actually need to see in a fight is your enemies. What difference does it make to note that there's a drawing of a oil barrel in the background versus a 3D model of one?

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>>377686350
I don't play handheld games often, and when I do it's pokemon. Seeing a series I want to play put in less effort than pokemon, king of low-effort yearly release bullshit is pretty displeasing.

>>377686416
>Not to mention all you actually need to see in a fight is your enemies.
With that sort of reasoning, you don't even need to see your enemies. All you need is a list of their names with their HP bars beneath. Why even give them sprites when you can save time and be more efficient with name/damage lists?

>>377686350
The main reason Atlus, SE, and NIS are so into the Switch right now is because they believe traditional turnbased RPGs aren't popular on home consoles but want to make them for more powerful systems.
The Wii U along with the PS4 just aren't places where turnbased games are going to get tons of attention. I personally believe if Dragon Quest 11 does come out in the US people who buy it on PS4 will probably be confused why its not action based like FF15.

>>377686350
because japs like portables and the biggest audience of jap rpgs are japs

>>377686465
Because if you can see what they look like then you can easily figure out their weakness.

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>>377684106

>>377685161
Bruh YHVH just dethroned the previous demon/s that were in power. He did not make shit.

>>377686465
>With that sort of reasoning, you don't even need to see your enemies. All you need is a list of their names with their HP bars beneath. Why even give them sprites when you can save time and be more efficient with name/damage lists?

Because art for the enemies is more simple feedback than reading names off a list? If I see a picture of two Oni and a Leanan Sidhe, I automatically know how to deal with them. If I have to read Oni HP ??? Oni HP ??? Leanan Sidhe ???, it's trickier to figure out. And if I can note certain common trends (flying enemies/evil spirit enemies/etc.), I can typically guess a weakpoint significantly easier.

>>377686494
>>377686478
but fuck me though i would love a 2nd screen for all the rest of my RPGs

>>377686420
It's not low effort it's way faster and pleasing than 3rd person.

Watching the same animations over and over again just get boring.

>>377686587
Yet it's more exciting to see the same damage numbers and jerky 2D sprite shake up and down?

>>377686621
i only get the latter in brood war and I still enjoy the fuck out of that game so yes

>>377686621
Yes, because the tiny movements are simple enough that they either look "active" when they are fully mobile or "inactive" when they are frozen/sleep/etc, and I can still get the Kaneko/Doi art I enjoy without losing it all for the sake of adapting only a fraction of them into 3D models.

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>>377686621
>Advocating for garbage 3D models Ala Pokemon just because it's "new"

Fucking kill yourself.

>>377686332
>there will come a day when we won't even get Sugimori portraits of pokegirls
YAMEROOOOOOO

>>377686621
Yes. They don't even need to move.

>>377686758
you could always just look on any booru for art of that calibre.

>>377686494
Yeah. Same reason MonHun will never come to a non-portable hardware except the MMO

>>377686829
what if not every girl gets promotion art anymore and we have to rely on deformed 3d models for our drawings?

>>377686828
woah what's this?

>>377686012
Toki is needed to seal the jars, Nozomi calls Skins and Fujiwara on you, Hallelujah is there to keep a eye on you and represent his faction, Gaston helps the party escape prison in Mikado and true Navarre is completely useless and just good for debuffs. And Asahi is the Heroine and she saves your life like the Heroine in SMT I so it's okay if she useless because Heroine's never do anything.

>>377686828
>Masakado that small
His back is the entire kingdom of Mikado and cover the whole Tokyo. Flynn's party should have been on a skyscrapper or some shit

So is Kaneko dead?

>>377685987
incredibly comfy

>>377687074
dmc5

>>377687034
SMT4 with the graphics style of Breath of Fire 4

It's awesome

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>>377686828
This is exactly what I want from a handheld SMT, it's fucking gorgeous.
Sadly the effort to make something like this, and the amount of demons you'd have to sprite means it'll never happen.

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>>377687427

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>>377687427
>Rei, Shinji and Asuka

Am I a bad person for not wanting to buy RPGs I can't play on the go?
Like I bought P5 but I stopped in the first dungeon since grinding on a TV isn't really fun to me.

>>377687528
Not at all, I just don't understand how you can possibly think you need to grind in any persona game.

>play SMTIV
>hear its hard at the start of the game
>faceroll the start effortlessly while having zero (0) issue with minotaur and medusa
>later on when my dex build comes online I just kill all the bosses in 2 turns before they can even ask me questions like they are apparently supposed to
these games insult my intelligence

Why do the dds games have the best sound track in all of mega-ten?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o&feature=youtu.be&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs8LPvutrlI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7zvmq24Sck

>>377687528
Remote play on the Vita was ok if lying in bed playing was what you wanted

>>377687560
Its a habit, even when I don't need to grind I do it anyway for the joy of being somewhat over leveled, I did it like mad in Xenoblade and DQ8.

>>377667567

>>377687591
Yeah IV's pretty much a tech demo for the new mechanics. Jump to Apocalypse as soon as you get the choice for the first ending

>>377687560
there are people who think you need to grind in SMT games too
even Monster Hunter

>>377681373
lachesis' foot game is on point

>>377687702
Final is a little less insulting, but just barely

>>377687043
The jars only exist so that Toki can expose her life and makes you hard.

Skin and Fujiwara knowing an irish god whishper into your head change absolutly nothing. It's Stephen who makes them attack you in the end.

Hallelujah never does any of those things.

You could have been helped by rebels inside the prison.

Asashi doesn't save your life she just avoid you starting a fight at low hp.

>>377688030
>liked how Toki sounded with her mask
>now she wants my dick but without the mask

>>377687885
Yeah mainly because of the party. Boss fights are mostly better

>>377667567
Handheld trash

Persona is the only SMT

>>377687528
I normally agree but P5 made me realize how bad I wanted HD models of demons. Hopefully SMT on the switch will give us the best of both

>>377687043
You could've sealed the jars because you're a fucking walking corpse. Maitreya never would've gotten the seal up if you didn't drag Toki along. Hallelujah was the biggest load of cutscene handicap bullshit I've ever seen. Dagda wouldn't have had you investigating Mikado in the first place because the whole thing was a waste of time so the fags at the Hunter Association could learn what was already obvious to everyone paying attention.

Asahi is the only one of any value and that's why you bring her back after murdering all the other useless coattail-riding sacks of shit

>>377687591
I had no issues with minotaur and medusa, but Kenji and the 4th white destroyed me so much I had to make demon specialized to fight them.

>>377682223
You forgot charm + recruit combo
>tfw a demon joins me cuz it wanna fug me
Apocalypse is so much better than Nocturne

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>>377688283
If you want to know where we stand, the Switch is closer to the Xbone in terms of hardware than it is to last gen especially if you optimize well, and the engine they're using is UE4 which also runs extremely well on the system from what I've seen.
So you could expect 1080p 30fps as a possibility docked considering that Atlus for sure wont have a terribly taxing game.

Halelujah being a demifiend was the biggest dissapointment possible as he just looked like a deviantart OC donut who uses pussy magic instead of gloriously beating his enemies to a pulp with his fists, prove me wrong.

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>trying to farm fighter horde in SMTIV so I can boost my WORLD OF STR for free without committing to it through levels
>incense never drops
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377683308
That image is really fucking cool.

>>377688521
He's a Devil Kid.

I like it. Strength's not his gig anyway, and no one had good offensive magic in your party otherwise.

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>>377688674
>devil kid

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>its a minion can't control his raging erection episode

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>>377688832
Feed your frienda boyo

>>377688953
>Its a master stupidly only recruits female demons only for them to all turn on him episode

>>377688674
>no cool transformation
Somewhat disappointing outside of the recolouring

>>377688996
Think of all the gay ass bara porn that would have came from this design if it was approved

>>377688996
I wanna LICK daddy Dagda's tum tum

>>377667567
Story is a bit retarded but the gameplay and pacing are great. I dont think people really "hate" it

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>>377689407
his dad dresses like this and has eyes on his ass you can't expect much from Samyaza's kid

>>377688883
Where she from?

>>377689901
woah wrong thread

>>377667567

why I can't find it in the freeshop?

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post demons that will never be in a modern SMT game

SMT4A is easily my favorite SMT game. I played it back-to-back with Nocturne and Nocturne doesn't hold up anymore. It's cool that it's a full 3D game, but that's about all it has going on for it. The Kalpa dungeons were the only noteworthy dungeons un Nocturne, everything else is kinda boring. But most importantly the game is really easy compared to SMT4A.

>>377667567
Best battle system ever. Hope they'll continue to tune in the press turn even further with DSJ

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>>377669039
I loved that this played again when you kill your friends on Apocalypse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSmi8ZOSno

>>377690052
I like nocturne a lot but after the QoL improvements in 4/4a I find it hard to go back. The style and atmosphere is nice but it's tedious and a chore to play

>>377690056
>turn press in SJ
absolutely disgusting

>>377690052
sukukaja/fog breath completely breaks Nocturne. Nothing will ever hit you. Buffs are much more balanced in IV/IV:A.

>>377690056
Has there been anything about changing the gameplay of sj? I don't think they are going to do it but it'd be a welcome change. I never liked sj because of its gameplay which sucks because everything else is great

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>black frost always takes 15x the xp of anything else to level up
really hee's my ho's

>>377690383
They only thing I'd fix is demon whispering for the MC, making him useful for mem aleph beyond spamming items would be a welcome change.

>>377667567
Nothing in any SMT/Megaten comes close to how well the gameplay in IVA was done.

Bosses were designed to fight the buff/debuff war with you, each of them felt unique and challenging. Nothing really broke the game/system, as evidenced by the fact that Stephen is arguably the hardest superboss in any Megaten and he plays totally fair.

If you seriously have a problem with the party members, get over yourself you fucking edgelord. Only Nozomi was annoying. Some characters like Toki really needed more development, but at the end of the day the story was all about you and Dagda. Whether you believe in his new universe or want to save the current one, that's your choice.

>>377689975
But thats not a demon.

>>377690476
Smirk is and will forever be a shit mechanic and no VIT is unforgivable.

>>377690476
>>377690538
I don't understand how this game has attracted the most apologists in the entire series. It's almost like it's all a meme.

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is it true the level cap for 4:A is 999?

thought the levels in 4 were too easy to gain, be nice if you could level up that much, if anything the extra hp would be helpful

>>377690325
What the fuck are you on. SJ is my favorite SMT but it has to be the weakest battle system in the entirety of the series.
No second row of demons so it's not like old SMT.
No advantage to using weakness on enemies outside of more damage. There's just nothing unique about it.

>>377690538
Smirk was relatively balanced in IVA, it was only broken in IV where it made you literally invincible.

Also, HP and damage values seemed a lot better tuned around a system with no VIT.

>>377690725
DLC I think

>>377690731
It showed how much of a crutch turn press actually was and why normal humans are no match for demons.

>>377690725
Yes, though you don't need that many levels to beat even Stephen on Apocalypse. Demons cap at 99 (120 for Satan).

>>377690613
I don't get the point of your post. That has to be the most retarded way to say

>I don't like thing

ever.

>>377690725
initial level cap is 99 (while YHVH can be 100) but there was DLC that lifts the cap for the bonus dungeon thingy I think

Summonable Satan is 120

>>377690764
I hated how smirk was in IV

>enemy smirked at the end of their turn
>impossible to hit

IVA making it where you simply couldn't score crits/weakness was a much better mechanic. Smirk augmented skills are cool too.

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>>377690805
>not 1v1ing Asura/Asherah

Asura Roga can't do shit if there isn't anything for Asura to Roga.

>>377690731
Oh no, no turn press whatever shall we do. I'll take the increased emphasis on alignment and party composition any day.

>>377690897
This entry has the most people trying to defend it.

>>377687237
that's fucking sick

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>>377691164
*dismisses all demons of a random alignment*

has the light/dark alignment ever really mattered? It was always Law vs Chaos

>>377691164
Nice deflection.
Again, old SMT did that better. Sometimes demons of differing alignments weren't even allowed in the same party. And you aren't even punished for having differing alignment demons in SJ because the only that happens is that co op isn't as strong.

>>377691307
>mem aleph statue shows up in tsukiji hongwanji
>never amounts to anything
why they gotta tease me

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>>377691536
>hey who's this hot bitch I bet she'll be a neato chaos rep
>lol nah eaten
>oh hey you found the black samurai well actually she's Spider Lilith and then later on she just fucks off I guess

>>377691536
The goddess thing in IV:A's Massacre ending is similar to Mem Aleph's role so there's that

>damage zone
>take 1 step and my entire team gets poisoned
nigga

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>>377691586
Inanna should've been replaced with Mem Aleph

Space Marine shows up from time portal shenanigans to help kill her

Why do people love SJ? I've tried playing it several times, but I always get bored. The dungeon design was done when the EO team didn't really know how to make good dungeons, not to mention that it lacks the one thing that makes EO dungeons fun for the most part, the FOE. Demon co-op is a very boring mechanic and the D-Source inheritance system is pure grindy cancer that promotes degenerate play from the players part, i.e logging a demon in the compendium when they are close to leveling up. The RNG algorithm for the PC stats are also really bad.

>>377691584
Gotta admit that part was kino

>Gaea dudes get eaten
>"What the fuck did they just show up to jo-"
>punch the boss from inside so hard her defense drop drastically

>>377691904
>Inanna

Is it just me or does everyone who utters her name has to say it with that really specific enunciation

Like it isn't just ee-nah-nah, it's ee-nahnnnnnnnnah

>>377692013
I think all the etrian odyssey games themselves are better than strange journey, but as far as spin offs go, SJ wasn't bad, since the series has basically boiled down to just SMT and persona at this point

>>377692217
devil survivor?

>>377692013
The settings and atmosphere mostly

>>377692013
My favorite thing about it was the dungeon design. I haven't played EO outside of the first two stratums of IV so I guess I don't know any better.
A lot of things about SJ's dungeon crawling just felt rewarding. Like stumbling across the Ace Frost side quest in sector C.

>>377692273
>anti grav tits character design
cant take this shit seriously desu

>>377690805
>game can be soloed
>moan bullet/strong gun type shots
Kek
>>377691008
Better be a way to inflict rage on yourself in DSJ, like a ring or skill
I still did it with a party. I fused Amrita on Pavarti and used the frosts.

>>377684192
Man, this shit better not be another spinoff. but it has Odin, so who knows anymore.

>>377690476
>stephen is the hardest superboss
No, that honor still goes to Demi and Satan in DDS1 and 2.

Granted, neither of those two faggots play fair at all and most of their fights is reliant on RNG.

>>377692524
just a remake of final in HD featuring more girls to follow you around

>>377692560
demi fiend and satan are shit bosses, you need a guide to beat them. You can do Stepehen on your own.

>>377692421
>game is about demons invading tokyo
>all suspension of disbelief is lost when there are big tits

Ireland...

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>>377692560
Let me show what a real super boss looks like.

>>377692613
>needing a guide
hi /r/megaten

>>377692641
japan probably is going to make a pact when they realize they need children 10 years ago

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>playing SMTIV
>get to those shops in ginza
what armor is the most kino?

>>377692793
Demonica.

>>377692815
This.

>>377692858
But I want to bring him Macca

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>>377692793
>go back to ginza after awhile with 1.5 mil
>they have a sale on all the armor

>>377692928
The Ginza shop sells a normal Demonica. No weakness, null Gun, IIRC.
Siegfried+Matador's accessory is meta, I guess. Looks dumb though.

>>377667567
I hate how this and IV ruined Lucifer's character and design. From now on Lucifer is just another of YHVH's pawn instead of trying to dethrone him like in Nocturne.

>>377692613
It's not that you need a guide. It's just that you have to learn how to deal with their bullshit. Once you know how to beat them, the fight becomes a 30 minute slog of buffing, debuffing, and hoping that RNG doesn't buttfuck you. Very poorly designed bosses but very difficult because of it.

>>377692736
I have Record Breaker sitting here and I will get to it, but I doubt that Alice or the Tico Duo will top Demi.

Seriously, I've never seen dumber game design in an RPG where you have to get hit by status ailments to win.

is there any point to basic attacks in this game? I kind of want to get the ginza weapons just to have them, though I hear bazookas can be good for boss killing if you are dex, though It's probably not any better than just using skills as usual

Probably the thing I dislike most about 4 is that party mp regen basically erases the need for you to manage your resources and thus your basic attacks become pointless, and since gear doesn't add to skill damage it just makes half the gear in the game pointless

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A reminder that Dagda's a lying shit and Bonds is the best path.