Why can't a good video game be made it of this series?

>>377637439
Because it's not a good series

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Can we get a europa universalis inspired game so i can mess with tax rates?

>>377637439
Because "story" directly contradicts interactivity. The more story driven something is, the less room for gameplay there is.

>>377637550

Low energy post

>>377637439
Because the board game is already peak aSoIaF.

>>377637591
Only for an incompetent development team.

GoT Ascent is a comfy management game if you enjoy setting long term goals.

Because the fun of the series comes from the politics, which is an element that's hard to get right in a video game and the rest is just generic fantasy or fapbait and a game wouldn't sell on that alone.

>>377637992
The budget for a game to retain gameplay while still focusing on story would increase exponentially while only garnering slightly higher reviews and sales as a result. In order to make a story-driven game worth it in regards to gameplay it would need to exceed (to an absurd degree) the point of diminishing returns.

If the source material wasn't so shit and the target audience weren't such easily impressionable normies, maybe.

Here's a different answer: Whenever that fat fuck releases the book that was due to 2014.

>>377637439
>>377637551
You know the CKII Mod exists and works great right?

>>377637439
because it's essentially a glorified South American telenovela in a quasi-fantasy setting

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>>377638152
You are fake news.

>>377637551
sounds exciting

>>377637439
You almost had one with Skyrim, it was gonna be a GoT game originally.

>>377638245
>>377638179

Why are anti-AsoiaF neckbeards so delusional? How many times did your alcoholic mothers drop you on your head?

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>>377637439
It's called World of Warcraft

>>377638169
>The budget for a game to retain gameplay while still focusing on story would increase exponentially
Citation needed.

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>>377638512
Do you usually get this aggressive when someone makes fun of your shitty book series? I've read the whole fucking thing and followed it closed until I realized George 'Fat Fuck' Martin wasn't ever going to finish writing that shit, and it wasn't that good of a story anyway.

>>377638506
I don't believe you

>>377638762
Believe google then.

>>377638512
>defending an old fat drunk and shitty ramblings this hard on a Taiwanese image board

Honestly take Mount & Blade, make it not shit, and put it in the ASoIaF and you have your self a solid game.

>>377638850
>>377638850
DON'T YOU FUCKING TALK ABOUT ME THAT WAY YOU PIECE OF FILTH, I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I HAVE AN HBO TV SHOW, THEY EVEN LET ME WRITE SOME EPISODES. PEOPLE WRITE COOKING BOOKS ABOUT MY SERIES AND I CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT, WHAT CAN YOU DO HUH? SHITPOST ABOUT TAXES? FUCK YOU.

>>377638738
>read series
>it's so good that you can't wait for the author to finish the next installment
>he never does
I-it's not like it was a good series or anything anyway!

>>377637550
fpbp

>>377639008
So, you're only sticking with it because you think it's going to be good? Do you just mindlessly defend some fat fucky fuck because of Tyrone Lancaster and whatsherface?

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>>377638609
Refer to the ending of Mass Effect 3, one of the most story driven series in recent memory. Gameplay became stagnant decisions of either renegade or paragon, and almost all of the budget went into the story. But by the time the series needed to come to a close they were unable to adequately make the choices everybody made distinct simply because they didn't have the time or the money to write endings for all of the possible combinations of essentially binary choices present in the "gameplay". For each one of these choices the writing should have been increased by a power of two, but all of these branching paths intersected and converged.

In order for the gameplay to feel compelling or meaningful for the player in a story driven game, the changes made by the decisions need to show in the game. Since the story is ultimately scripted either the script needs to become absurdly large and complex (which would blow the budget up out of control), or the interactivity needs to become non-essential or watered down to such a degree that nobody feels satisfied with it.

>>377638738
The fact that you don't see the contradictions in your posts is proof of what I'm saying. No surprise you're a /pol/ SJW too.

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>>377637439
Stannis Baratheon Total War

>>377639205
>that cherrypicking, strawman and projecting

he does not need even to respond to you anymore

I'm still waiting for there to be an Assassin's Creed game based on the books that ASOIAF is based on.

It fits ridiculously well with the AssCreed theme.

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But it already exists.

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Didn't Telltale make a storybook about this or was it awful?

The GoT game I want is an RPG but not open world set during the time of the first war with the white walkers.

You play as a ranger of the watch north of the wall, first you start fight wildlings and mythical things. Later on you team up with the wildlings to defeate the white walkers.

You also have to visit the children of the forest and learn some of the magic they used to make the white walkers to defeat them.

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>>377638152
Fap bait isn't very accurate after season 2. But yes I agree the politics are what make it fun to watch or read. The only adaptation possible would be like playing Dream Drop Distance but with 30 main characters instead of 2.
No telltale's game doesn't count
Although I know Skyrim started as a potential GoT project. They possibly could've made that work for a game, but not a very good one.

>>377639373
>ASOIAF is based on
it isn't based on anything, GoT is original fiction

>>377639373
Asscreed has a theme?

>>377639230
witcher series says hi

>>377639373
>Faceless Men Assassin's Creed game

Could be good desu

>>377638152
>generic fantasy or fapbait
its called jrpg and its been a hit since always for some stupid reason

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>>377639581
As someone who's read the books and watched through the tv series in its entirety 3 times, it was ___ok___

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>>377637439
Cuz you can just play the GoT mod for CK2 and instead.

>>377639706
Gameplay was sacrificed in Witcher 3 for the sake of the story as well. Albeit they did it in a much less noticeable way than Bioware ever could on their best day.

Id much rather see a game/series of games based on the Malazan Book of the Fallen series.

How about a Musuo?

>>377639963
how was gameplay sacrificed?

>>377639884
the fuck is CK the food board?
Stop using acronyms for everything retards. No one plays the same shit as you nor do we have a 4chan newsletter with the current slang

>>377640138
Lurk moar nub.

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>>377640138
You have to go back.

>>377637439

There are two total conersions for Mount and Blade Warband, one for Crusader Kings 2, one for Total War, dozens of adaptations of card games and board games for PC and several themed maps and modules for WC3 and Skyrim.
Seems more than enough.

>>377640138
Why it's not like if you Google CK2 Game of Thrones you will find EXACTLY what he's talking about

>>377640223
*circlejerks in responce*
>>377640314
to r*eddit?
hillarious,you job memeing son

>>377640327
>There are two total conersions for Mount and Blade Warband
They also update with the show to keep it consistent.
I don't play the mods or watch GoT but everybody who does seems to absolutely love the mods.

>>377639230
>BioWare
>competent development team
Also, who says a story heavy game has to be choice driven at all? Choices in games like in New Vegas, Mass Effect and the Telltale games adds to the personal immersion, but not to the quality of the story. Uncharted is linear as fuck and does a better job presenting their story than those open ended games.

>>377640117
Everything was scripted. It's the Achilles heal of story driven games. Combat and exploration were all top notch, but the crossover between gameplay and story might as well been non-existent. They are two separate entities in a single package. Because of that disconnect, the separation between what you are "doing" and what you are "watching", any resources spent on one (time, effort, energy, manpower) are resources not spent on the other.

>>377640138
Go and stay go.

>>377640484
Story as a tool to drive the gameplay forward is good. Story as the central focus of the gameplay is inherently nonsensical.

>>377637550
There have been good games made about shit licenses.

@377640609
>effort needed to play a game
1 day of work and several clicks on a computer
>effort needed to trigger 4reddit
0

>>377640516
probably true still tho, Witcher 3 was one of the if not the best game afaik both story and gameplay wise

Because It would never come out...

>>377637439

It would have to be a strategy game, and the normal hordes aren't down with that.

>>377638738
>pic
The Witcher does all that, just not in the way your average kotaku-tier journalist would like it.

>>377640747
I agree it did what it set out to do very well. But it took a LOT of effort to accomplish it because it was going against the grain the entire time. Bridging two concepts that naturally go in different directions is almost an impossible task for software. The only time story and gameplay have been able to truly intersect is in tabletop games where improvisation and imaginative creation is present.

>>377640481
The key is M&B is trash

>>377641076
Story and gameplay doesn't need to intersect at all. Just go the fucking Metal Gear Solid route.

>make a gameplay based on the most solid, precise sword based combat that will make even the most autistic muh cuhrayzee Platinumfags cream their pants
>sprinkle in 20 minute cutscenes reenacting the most important scenes in the franchise's story

It's a simple formula that would please most people. Trying to do mental gymnastics to figure out some innovative new way to weave story and gameplay together is fucking pointless since most games fail to master either aspect. Why try to run before you can even learn to properly crawl.

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>>377640138
>being this new

>>377642496
You've circled back to my original point.

>>377639668
Are you retarded?

Everything except the North and Dorne is based on a series of historical novels.

>>377639689
Templars and shit. The books ASOIAF is based on are all about the Templar curse, after the Templar leaders were arrested and burned.

>>377637550
Must be fun being a contrarian for the sake of it. But made yourself believe that now. Can't risk liking what the normies like, right?

>>377637439
Because its hard to make good games with established fiction. This is why KOTOR is a good game, the fiction wasn't established enough in the past so the developers could take more liberties with the series.

>>377642507
You are now an official member of the "another /v/ermin too retarded to fall for that" club

Fuck off from here until you move out of your parents house

>>377637439

It was good when it's called Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War.

>>377637439
This book series should just be renamed The War of Roses: George R.R. Martin Edition.

>>377642563
Your original point is that story and gameplay contradicts each other and focusing on one will be detrimental to the other. My point is that a competent development team can make a game that treats story and gameplay as independent parallels that can master both story and gameplay without sacrificing the other.

>>377643046
You lack a fundamental understanding of how managing resources for a project works.

>>377639581
It was pretty bad

>>377642986
Nigger most of the characters are straight up plagiarised.

>>377637551
>>377637439
just play the CK2 mod

>>377643229
Really? Got any examples?

>>377642986
95% of asoiaf is lifted from The Accursed Kings and The Wheel of Time.

In fact it's pretty much just a fusion of those two book series.

>>377642986
You'd almost think he openly used it for inspiration or something

>>377637439
Whether or not you like the series, it wouldn't make a good video game at all. Combat in ASoIaF is explicitly written boring and mundane to express Martin's image of realism, there's a general atmosphere of powerlessness among common people, and even at its best the politics just wouldn't be worth dredging yourself through gameplay for.

Not everything needs a game.

>>377643574
IKR, what an uncreative fatass.

>>377639581
It was absolutely god-awful. Rodrik parts were the only saving grace. A cripped protagonist is very unusual.

>>377639521
This. The rpg is pretty decent and underrated. Feels like a mix between current rpgs and older ones like Kotor.

>>377643149
You lack a fundamental understanding of how human competence works.

>>377639156
kys

>>377643784
Rodrik a cuck. Rodrik a shit. The brother he brought back was a far more capable leader than his crippled ass.

>>377643784
Even if he wasn't crippled would there have been a difference in the story?

Doesn't translate well into the video game world. Martin is also too lazy to properly oversee any project.

The series is dead to me anyway. Martin's blog posts indicate he's gone SJW, expect the new novels to be about open borders and strong women.

>>377638237
the ck2 mod is fun but it's not good unless you play as a character from the series. It takes forever to do anything in the 7 seven kingdoms since if you declare war your liege will say "stop the war or I will arrest you and possibly take your title"

>>377641010
the joke about that pic is that TES already does all of those things

>>377644290
Only the Iron Isles and Essos are really fun to play in that mod. The iron isles usually have really low crown authority due to their pirate nature and Essos is just one big land of endless war between rival merchant cities and dothraki hordes.

>>377644137
Yes, it would be worse. Rodrik plot was made good by little moments like his sister helping him walk, or him trying to learn to fight again, or beating the shit out of Gryff with a cane.

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>when you realize Jon Snow is the actual MC and everything not related to the Wall/Beyond is just filler

You can legit just crop out Jon and Sams chapters then have a decent story

>>377644476
I've played too much ck2 to enjoy the iron isles. It's just tactical raiding to amass huge gold and then crushing everything because the AI is retarded and can't keep up with you.

well like many people brought up there's the CK2 mod

however it's not nearly as interesting as the baseline game because GRRM tried, and failed to walk a line between pseudo-historical fiction and fantasy. As a result his medieval politics are not nearly as interesting and complex as their real life equivalents and the fantasy part is half-assed enough it can't save it.

>>377644582
I fucking hate how good Asher and Rodrik were as characters but they're stuck in a shitty telltale's story.

>>377644609
if there's anything you could safely cut out it's queen dipshit and her lizard fetish

>>377644652
Funny, I've thought it's not fun because your character becomes an old man by the time you finish a single war, which is an opposite of how things happen in the books.
It might take 20 real years for Daenerys to finally invade Westeros, but it probably won't take her as much in the story.

>>377644652
Martin made everyone way too fucking shady and ruthless.

>>377644747
The Dany chapters would've been way better if Dany weren't such a fucking idiot.

>>377644934
You're talking out of your ass. ASOIAF is not nearly as dark and hopeless as memes make it out to be.
You have any specific examples?

>>377643487
Loads are very clearly from Accursed Kings.


There's Philip the Long, the righteous and hard man who allows increasingly horrible things to happen for him to become king, earnestly believing it's his right and for the good of the realm, but losing his soul in the process. Beatrice d'Hirson is the witch who helps him do this by poisoning Philip's brother and his nephew, she believes in Catharism and claims there are two gods, one lord of light and one lord of darkness. There's the Burgundy sisters, daughters of the widowed and powerful Duchess Mahaut of Burgundy, who are married to the princes, but cheat on them. When the unhappily married Queen Isabelle finds out, she has them publicly disgraced and imprisoned. There's one of the princes who becomes the turbulent Louis the Quarreler, prone to fits of rage and cruelty before dying poisoned. There's Enguerrand de Marigny, named as the king's minister, who rules the kingdom well but is despised by the king's council for being a commoner, and who is disgraced and executed when Louis becomes king. There's Edward II of England, who lets the family of his gay lover Hugh Despenser rule the kingdom. His wife Isabelle of France gets sick of it and exiles herself to France, where she slowly gathers an army of mercenaries preparing to cross the Channel and reconquer England for herself, taking one of them as her lover.

There's plenty more. Basically he took all the characters and changed up the relationships. Or like in the case of Isabelle of France, split her up into Cersei and Daenerys.

>>377642272
>M&B is trash
Funny joke

>>377645017
Dany chapters were good right until she conquers Meereen. Her ADwD arc was also great, but few people think this way yet, because it wasn't given a resolution yet.

>tfw Tyrion became boring and Arya is borderline mary sue

Its even worse in the show

>play ck2 a game of thrones mod
>play as tywin lannister in robert's rebellion
>attack the king
>jaime kills him and comes to my court
>months later him and his twin sister cersei elope and get married (despite incest being completely illegal)
>no way to stop this
>no desire to stop this

>>377645290
You think you've got it bad? My favourite book characters are Stannis and Sansa.

>>377645056
>plagiarizing history

>>377637767
>>377642581
or maybe its just bad

>>377637767
>>377642581
Go do your taxes back on reddit

>>377642581
The normies only like the show, though. And it is actually bad.

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>>377645417
>Stannis

>>377645036
Almost every fucking lord that isn't from the North, with the exception of Roose, is shown to be conniving and powerhungry.

>>377645483
>>377645508
>If I phonepost at the same time, nobody will think I'm a samefag

>>377645417
I like Brienne too

Dont make me think about it

>>377645056
There's lots of other obvious ones, like Margaery Tyrell is Marguerite of Burgundy (and all the Tyrells are based on the house of Burgundy), Robet Baratheon is Robert of Artois, Tywin is Charles of Valois, Littlefinger is Tolomei, Aegon is Gianino...

There's even clear references in the history, like Baelor the Blessed being Saint Louis or of course Aegon the Conqueror being William.

>>377642581
>Not having hated Martin since you read the first book when it was released.

I actually say I like that garbage show irl just because it's even more hipster to enjoy it now

>>377645056
Jesus Christ.

>>377645613
>I like Brienne
I'm so sorry, anon.

>>377645591
Roose isnt even powerhungry, he was just riding the wave since he knew the Starks werent going to make it

>>377645659
>Aegon is William

William had dragons and fucked his sisters?

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>>377645597
Martin cucks areally are this insecure huh?
By the way, long after the fat fuck drops dead after his heart explodes and is eventually forgotten people will still remember Tolkien and not give a fuck about Aragorn's tax policy.

>>377645482
They're historical novels you tit.

>>377645591
>conniving
Yes, you kind of have to be shrewd to make it in the world of politics. But powerhungry? Not really. Very few characters in the series actually want more power, and even fewer want power for it's own sake.

>>377645804
Stop pretending to be retarded. You know exactly how you did it.

>>377645793
I disagree with that one, that's a historical reference, I don't think William the Conqueror plays a role in TAK.

But the way Baelor the Blessed is regarded is clearly based on how the characters in TAK regard Saint Louis.

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Game of thrones is just not game material. They should instead make pic related into the game, perfect plot, story and character driven setting, could be the next deus ex, shooter, maybe use star citizen engine that would be cool.

>>377642581
He's right book three and on are shit. You can tell Martin did not have any long term planning for his books, and the story also suffered from throwing out the time skip.

>>377646171
So long as I can play as anyone but boring as fuck Holden.

>>377644845
well CK2 is, inherently, a game about dynasties
1 character is not supposed to do everything
that said, it is entirely possible to complete a massive string of conquests as a single character in CK2 if your character is perfect enough you can effortlessly defeat your opponents and you've got the right circumstances.
Try playing as Ghenghis Khan.

>>377646171
FUUUUUUUCK THE BELT

>>377646171
I love this series

AG > LW > CW > NG > CB

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>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?

Noggin: JOGGIN

>>377646443
True, but ASOIAF is a series about people, not dynasties. Which is why CK2 is not a very good game to mod.

>>377646443
My favorite thing to do in CK2 is see just how far I can get with one character. On my third Croatian ruler I managed to conquer Bulgaria, Pannomia, and Serbia to create the Empire of Croatia.

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>>377637439
Why would you fucking want a Game of Thrones video game?

The best you'll get is a fan made mod for Mount and Blade, and it's an amazing fucking mod as is where you don't even "muh armies" to have fun with the game and can run off solo. Literally the top 5 in all Mount and Blade mod toplist.

You don't need nothing else.

>>377637439
because it would only work as a cinematic experience
and because its already an objectively bad series it would be a shit-tier cinematic experience

>>377646510
Orcs are inherently evil, so yes.

>>377646548
problem is that, as far as medieval games go, it is by far the most suitable among them

as poor as a fit CK2 is, there's no other game that comes even remotely close to it in terms of feudalism simulation.

As to why there's no dedicated game, that's fairly obvious as well. Feudalism simulators are a fairly niche genre that is very friggin hard to sell to casual audiences.

>>377646510
Still probably the dumbest thing any author ever said. Quite impressive really.

>>377645056
>>377645659
>>377645682

I also remember lots of pretty specific plot elements, like Edward being locked in a cell that has a well in the middle with a slope, and that he risks rolling into when sleeping, or the vault of statues of the counts of Artois, or that little drama with the chairs at the small council, or the Pastoureaux, those poor drifters from all over following some kind of spontaneous "Crusade" and who slowly invade Paris...

>>377646373
What are you talking about. Asoiaf is masterfully told and nothing is predictable, the books are amazing. The only reason a game wouldn't work is because it's so politics and drama heavy.

>>377646510
it's funny because the appendixes do mention several policies regarding Aragorn's rule
not to mention that Aragorn, as characterized in the books is highly intelligent, a gifted diplomat and has 80 god damn years of experience dealing with people of all cultures

add a hefty dose of both war hero and divine mandate ontop of that and he is going to, naturally, get very little opposition to his rule.

>>377647074
>masterfully told

"Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew".

Sure thing.

>>377643572
He's admitted heavy drawing from multiple sources but never once TWOT, and I see next to no similarities.

>>377643574
Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn also served as inspiration for him. I'm reading the first book in that series and the comparisons are easy to make.

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>>377646503
I dont know what to do, continue reading books or wait until show finishes. Show is so good that I dont want spoilers (unfortunately read 3 books books already)

>>377647221
>I will quote a thing out of context to people who know the context very well
Foolproof plan.

Guys the books are actually amazing just read them for yourselves. You're taking opinion from people who've never looked at a page and are repeating contrarian shit. Hell, I'm willing to bed most people haven't even finished more than a few books in their life in here.

>>377647558
read the books, they're passable works of fiction, nothing overtly horrible but nothing groundbreaking either

that said many of the show only plot elements are legitimately terrible

>>377647647
>The show is bad
Holy shit, you've opened our eyes.

>>377647221
lol that wasn't even a bad scene

if you really want to talk shit about GRRM talk about how poorly structured it is and how it should've ended 2 books ago.

>>377647729
as bad as it is nowadays, I actually legitimately had some hope it could be decent during season 1.

>>377637439
>It's a /v/ shits on a series of books although they have the worst /lit/ taste, because they are popular.
ASoIaF is genuinely good. What is next, Geralt's books will become bad too the day the netflix show is watched by normalfags?

>>377647558
They not even in the top 10 of its own genre and a genre that is known for awful writing on top of that.

>>377637439
because the source material is shit

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>>377647558
After book 3 the series went to shit.

Only a window licker who's first exposure to the series was from TV would think it is the best fantasy series ever.

>>377648751
That's dune famalam

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>>377640516
>Achilles heal

>>377649653
Dune is Sci-Fi.

>>377648751
nah, actually its people that have read no fantasy whatsoever that think its the best fantasy series efver

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>>377648751

>has Blade trilogy
>has Best Served Cold
>DOESN'T have the Heroes and Red Country

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Also, after you finish those two, which you will, red Sharp Ends.

Bonus tip: check out "The Emperor's Blades" on amazon if you like medieval special forces, battles, fucking politics and some magic.

>>377651474
I have them, they are on my kindle.

>>377637439
because they refuse to make an RTS out of it instead pumping out RPG's with lackluster stories

It wouldn't work because every character would have the lifespan of a common housefly. You can't make a video game based on a series whose sole gimmick is killing off the heroes for shock value.

Stopped watching GoT after Season 4 because by then, all the characters I gave a shit about were dead.

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>>377648751
>mistborn

anyone who thinks GURRM writes overrated shit hasn't read mistborn.

jesus christ, I will never understand why /lit/ collectively creams their pants over this flat out boring, uninspired garbage.

>>377651990
Books are better than the show.

>>377637439
Implementing tax policies as a game mechanic is pretty difficult unless you go for the CIV market and stay there.

They really should just not bother doing anything story related, and make a fighting game with the characters. Barristan vs. Jaime, Mountain vs Drogo etc. Make it kinda resemble Soul Calibur

>>377652161
true but at least the show is coming out