What's their endgame?

>>377601537
conning publishers and making as much bank as possible before their protection gets completely busted (ie consistent week 1 cracks)

>>377601537
Extract as much money from devs before Microsoft removes their reason for existing with 10 S.

>>377603253
>before Microsoft removes their reason for existing with 10 S

wat

current meta seems to be patching whatever holes they find creating progressively more holes in the process, breaking under all the stress and heaping as much money as its possible before inevitably collapsing

>>377603383
Windows 10 S will only run signed UWP software purchased from the Windows Store.
No possibility of piracy in the new world Microsoft has planned.

>>377602229
fbpb


sell the protection software, contract under the table, break protection, go to publisher again with 'updated' version, rinse and repeat. I hope to adopt a similar business model in an unrelated industry someday.

>>377604024
fuck off you're lying

>>377604024
>implying anyone is dumb enough to attempt to buy anything from the windows store
I tried it once, never again.
Microsoft should stick to pure operating systems, it's the only thing they have ever done well (outside video game controllers)

>>377604325
>Microsoft should stick to pure operating systems, it's the only thing they have ever done well (outside video game controllers)

this so much
their controllers are literally a heaven sent

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>>377604278
You're just not paying attention. 10 S is going to be so locked down it won't even let you install Chrome, or use Google as your search engine.
Once its on the majority of new systems companies will start only distributing UWPs, and may include checks that require the locked down mode even if you've 'upgraded'.
The locked down mode is already present in Windows 10, the only difference is on 10 S you'll have to pay to remove it.

>>377604739
that's illegal though and you know it

>>377604739
what if you don't install software and just download and run an .exe from somewhere?

>>377601537
Crashing this industry...

>>377604325

The problem there is that Microsoft isn't a not for profit organization whose goal is to build a better OS.
They're a for profit company whose only goal is to maximize shareholder value by continually making more money than they have before.

In a world where they already basically control their market, other markets are held by established players with better products, and the price of devices keeps tumbling down the only way for Microsoft to make more money is to shift the costs from the OEMs to the end users, and extract more money from those users directly.

>>377605015
it will give you the picture that >>377604739
posted, it wont run, 10S doesn't even allow the use of the command line.

>>377605141
how do you do basic troubleshooting on a computer that wont even let you open cmd?
even if you handed your computer over to tech support, what would they do? upgrade it to pro temporarily?

>>377605319
you don't lul, theres been a lot of tech sites covering this exact sort of issue but I don't pay much attention to it because I don't use windows 10 nor will I ever.

>>377604898
>that's illegal though and you know it
Do you see a Democrat in the White House committed to preserving competitive markets?
Nothing is going to stop Microsoft, at worst they'll get a slap on the wrist from Europe but nobody will force them to change course.
Microsoft can just point to Apple iOS and their recent security problems and says its necessary for them to compete and ensure their users security.

>>377605015
It won't run win32 exe files. Its like when Microsoft dropped DOS compatibility, they're legacy now and they don't care about them.
There's already win32 compatibility software and in the not too distant future you'll be running your win32 stuff wrapped with it much like you run your DOS stuff with DOSbox.
But for it to run on the future Windows you'll have to re-buy it from the Windows Store.

Or run it on another OS like GNU/Linux.

>>377605319
Send it to MS and pay them to fix something you could have done with command line access

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>>377605402
>>377605465
>>377605469
in other words, microsoft really just wants me to install GNU/Linux now?
I wonder who could be behind this.

>>377605319
The same way they do it for consoles.
Take your machine, re-flash it with the OEM image, send it for QA re-evaluation.
Send you a different system that already passed.

$50-$100 computers are going to be the new status quo. People with expensive gaming machines are already a niche market, and Microsoft can't survive catering to a niche.

>>377605660
Everyone who can dual boots now and will likely finish the switch once win7 dies.

>>377605465
what are you talking about, republicans are in the white house not democrats
why do you think net neutrality has been killed off

>>377605992
I think he's saying that this shit wouldn't happen if dems were in the house, but I'm not too sure about that with Shillary.

So, is there anything good about 10S?


Is it time to switch to linux/diskwipe and go back to 7?

>>377605992
Exactly my point, the party of protecting monopolies is in power.
Microsoft doesn't have anything to worry about, they can push all the anti-competitive stuff they want.

Even if a future administration takes them to court their competitors will be dead, hollowed out companies with only legal departments left, or so crippled from years of making very little money they'll be no real threat.
Microsoft already did this kind of shit in the 90s and it took 20+ years for the market to recover and they only ever got a slap on the wrist.

>>377606204
>the party of protecting monopolies is in power.

well yes but for how long
it's going down as we speak

>>377606249
Lets say Trump gets tossed out.
Then Pence comes to power who may be better internationally, but will be all the same shit domestically.
If they toss both of them then it will either be Paul Ryan who will also be the same shit, or a wild card appointed by Trump.

He's not likely to appoint a small business Democrat, so it will either be somebody like Ford who will be non-controversial, or the KGB's man like how Putin seized power in return for protecting the outgoing corrupt government.

>>377606204
>>377606249
>another episode of /v/irgins with zero life experience talking about politics
just WEW

Well their game kind of already ended, with steam emulation, denuvo can't seem to get around that particular avenue of bypass.

>>377601537
based denuvo keeping brazilians away from video games

>>377606546
but it's even being cracked now by literal who's

>>377606249
>the party of protecting monopolies is in power.

Are you retarded m8y? Even the 2 party system is a lie, democrats protect monopolies just as much, if not more.

In fact, it's because of Bill Clinton's open acceptance of corporate money and influence that we're in the situation we're in now.

Don't be such a retard.

>>377606585
no its bypassed by clunky methods and did not get a proper scene release

>>377601537
I'm genuinely interested to see how this affected profits when pirates were still struggling.

I wonder if they deem throwing the repacker/cracker scene into a bit of turmoil worth the cost.

>>377606670
>trumpets face when draining the swamp means appointing a record number of corporations to important jobs

>>377607256
>he said the other party is also bad!
>that means he'll get mad if I say something about the original one!

good job cumdrinker.

>>377607256
real talk here, do you honestly believe that? hiring somebody who's worked in finance is the best person for regulating finance, what about this is difficult to understand? oh that's right, you don't believe in hard work, everything should just be handed out because muh communism works so well.

>>377602229
It's not a con. Developers primarily pay for initial protection as the first month is the most important for a game's success. Sure they'd prefer that games never got cracked but if it lasts a month it has done its job.

>>377606930
It probably made them worse.
Pirates spend more money than non pirates on media

>>377607807
>d-drain the s-swamp!!

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>>377601537
Kill as many games as possible.

>>377608043
DELETE THISSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>377606930
it all depends who does the study, its been said time and time again by anti-piracy groups that piracy hurts sales, but it simply isn't true. a shit game is a shit game, and its a fact that good games sell regardless, I wouldn't have bought witcher 3 nor played it if I didn't first download it.

>>377608241
lel

>>377608043
The thing is, how do the peope in corporate come up with the numbers then to support adoption of drm?

They have tried time and time again to push new shit. You would expect them to drop the drm bullshit by now if it wasn't profitable.

What the fuck is the rationale?

>>377609082
They literally believe pirates will never buy their game, for some reason, so if nobody can pirate then everyone will buy it

>>377609182

Or they don't want people to steal their work?

I mean I'd be mad if I made something, put a price on it and then found out a bunch of people were getting it for free.

>>377609487
maybe go into a different business then

>>377609487
>I mean I'd be mad if I made something, put a price on it and then found out a bunch of people were getting it for free.

Yeah but with digital media you will end up getting more money even if some people get it for free

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>>377608241
""""""""kill"""""""""

>>377609748
retard

>>377606674
>no its bypassed by clunky methods and did not get a proper scene release
no some of the bypasses turned into legit cracks also one scene group is releasing them pretty regularly

>>377605045
...WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>377609760
Man just yesterday I played with the v3 crack and it's amazing in comparison to v1.
Not a single crash.

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>>377604325
>>377604024
Microsoft in charge of not being retarded.

They do know that long-term that's basically going to fuck their market share straight in the ass, right? They're never going to be Apple.

friendly reminder Abzu devs paid 100k for Denuvo DRM and to this day remains uncracked. Bethesda paid more for Dishonored 2. Every game that's been cracked has been devs trying to be cheap niggers.

>>377609992
american """""education""""
suicide plz

>>377604739
https://usefulpcguide.com/18618/you-can-only-install-apps-from-the-windows-store/
Turn Off You Can Only Install Apps From The Windows Store Feature In Windows 10
You can change or turn off this restriction by accessing the Settings app. Go to System -> Apps and features.

Then switch from the current option to other ones. There are three options you can select:

Allow apps from anywhere.
Prefer apps from the Store, but allow apps from anywhere.
Allow apps from the Store only.

By changing from the "Allow apps from the Store only" option to the "Allow apps from anywhere", or "Prefer apps from the Store, but allow apps from anywhere", the restriction will be disabled.

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>>377601537
killing video games

>>377612125
>dishonored was 10$ at launch
ok

>>377601537
Same endgame as any DRM maker: to make as much money as quickly as possible before everyone moves on.

>>377609748
>* 60
yeah sure thing bud

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>>377604739
>Limiting installations to apps from the store helps to keep your PC safe and reliable

Not that this isn't true but come on.

>>377612216
NOOOO DELETE THISSSSS

>>377601537
crashing the industry with no survivors

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>>377604739
>>377604898
>>377605015
>>377605141
>>377612710
Dont listen to fags who say "WINDOWS 10 IS MALWARE SPYING ON US SENT BY THE NSA AND ALIENS TO TRACK US", instead of listening these people, listen to >>377612216
who actually does research and uses basic common knowledge to know that Microsoft would never do this because they would get publicly shit on by every news source there is.

>>377612216
You can turn it off for now, but do you really trust MS to keep it that way? Have they not shown time and time again that they want a monopoly?

>>377613680
yeah and them attempting a monopoly got them almost a billion dollar fine from EU

>>377613590
>WINDOWS 10 IS MALWARE SPYING ON US SENT BY THE NSA AND ALIENS TO TRACK US

>NSA isn't tracking you
>Literally made hacks that could enter your pc and get everything on it
>Microsoft knew about it and didn't fix it until it got leaked
ok lmao

>>377613680
>You can turn it off for now, but do you really trust MS to keep it that way? Have they not shown time and time again that they want a monopoly?

People say the same thing about Valve & Steam.

>>377613820
And I distrust Valve as well, although not as much as MS. I try to support Steam competitors when I can, unfortunately, however, most games these days require Steam to run.

It also doesn't help that the main competitors are Origin and Uplay. GoG is great,
but rarely sells new games.

>>377604739
thats why i use 7, i bought laptop with skylake just because never ones dont support 7, fuck you ms

>>377614625
>Implying you won't have to link your facebook in 10 years to be able to use the CPU

>>377613590
you're an idiot, that article linked only pertains to windows 10, not windows 10S.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-s
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/windows-10-s-no-command-line-apps-free-pro-upgrades-for-assistive-tech-users/
windows 10 does spy on you with things like MarkMonitor, which sends a hash of every image you open to them, as well as many other things that are just as shit, if you don't believe it, fire up windows 10 in a VM, MITM yourself with a systemwide cert and decrypt all the traffic through wireshark and you can clearly see that their "telemetry" has nothing to do with the OS itself and everything to do with what you're doing on it. if the spying wasn't real, there wouldn't be tools to try and stem the leakage of data (Destroy-Windows-10-Spying, Shutup10, and so on).

the only version of win10 which can disable that shit is the enterprise edition, which can only be activated on a domain group.

>>377613793
NSA tracks you on everything, not just Windows
Or do you not have a phone, CPU, car, TV, or console?

>>377614928
10 years is a long way to go, linux will dominate in 2025

>>377601537
Trick enough publishers into thinking their malware would protect their games from pirates.

All they did was slow the pirates down and piss off legitimate customers.

Is this an elaborate ruse to make me install Gentoo?
I swear I thought about it when I heard about the w10 stuff, but now it's getting worse.

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>>377614979
rip w32

>>377615269
Nigga you are going to install Win10 and like it.
For all their shit (most of it blown out of proportion here) Win10 is still miles ahead of "install Gentoo".

You are all 100% retarded. Win 10 S is just an alternative, something like Chrome OS. Yes, it can only run official Windows Store shit, but that makes it good for schools, little kids and old ladies. It's not "replacing" the real Windows, it's just another option for simple people with simple needs.

Whether actual Windows sucks or not is another discussion but everyone going OMG MICROSOFT ISN'T GONNA LET YOU RUN PROGRAMS is just retarded.

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>>377615269
it will get even worse with time, no one can stop them

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Windows 10 S only comes on cheap laptops.
If you're building a PC, you don't have to worry about it. And if you're buying a prebuilt, kill yourself

>>377615528
give a jew a penny and they'll take 10 dollars, only for now is it "something like Chrome OS". in the next 5 years it may well be the default if its very profitable for MS.

>>377604739
Then a jailbreak for Windows 10 store will be released.

>>377601537
To make money from desperate devs. Which they are. Especially Japs who are so staunchly antipirate that they jail them. Denuvo doesn't give a shit if it fails months later. They got their checks.

>>377615647
>>377615683
Yawn. I remember when people were saying this shit about Windows 95. Yet somehow the world still exists.

>>377614979
>arstechnica

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>>377615528
but it will happen, not anytime soon but it will and you know it

>>377615705
All you need is a Pro key, which there are plenty of cracks for already

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JUST

>>377604278
>>377604739
It's a cloud OS for shitty hardware.

OMG THE SKY IS FALLING

>The locked down mode is already present in Windows 10

And disabled. It's there for kids and old people and it works well.

>>377615683
Is was profitable for Google - in the educational environment. This shit will never fly in corporate/production setting.

>>377615757
yeah, remind us exactly what people were talking about 95

>>377607941
This.

If it takes a week to pirate as opposed to a few days, theoretically, you should have more sales.

>>377607941
yeah, that what made hitman so successful

>>377617230
I'm just saying that the whole idea that Denuvo is a failure because it gets cracked is a misunderstanding.

>>377607941
>Developers primarily pay for initial protection as the first month is the most important for a game's success

The second part is true, and you know what really helps sell? Word of mouth.
DRM hinders that, it's probably why Lords of the Fallen sold so bad

>>377617579
games not getting cracked at all is not a success either, if its shit no one will buy it