Defend this.

Ice climbers have never won a major

>>377601382
I can't

>>377601489
Rosalina&Luma never won one until civilwar.

>>377601382
Just don't get grabbed.

>>377601382
Literally can't.
This cancer should be banned already. No one that unironically uses it is actually good at the game either.

You can't. Melee is a broken game full of horrible balance issues and glitches but the Melee community likes to overlook them despite shit like people falling through the middle of Pokemon Stadium actually costing rounds, or that time the Falcon spiked Luigi on FoD, but he straight up didn't go anywhere and won because of it.
The people who are like "just play around it" are the worst. Like, hey dude, all the pipes in the kitchen are leaking, there's a hole in the floor, and the fridge won't close all the way, and even though the stove releases this godawful stench when you turn it on, you can still cook with it, so it's fine.

>>377601382
Fox players are shit and should be ashamed of themselves.

Melee is an inherantly broken game, wobbling is far from the only jank in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA9QSM1BUU

That doesn't mean it's not a good game, but you have to accept that nothing you see in competitive melee was intended by Sakurai or properly balanced.

>defending what is indefensible
no i'm good from the top platform, have fun chasing my wavelands

>>377601556
Not an argument

>>377601651
This.

Is there anything worse than a meleecuck? Sm4sh is the only choice for true competitive Smash play.

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Why Ice climber becomes Ice climbers?

I play this game
My brother is player 2
He killed me every time

>>377601651
>The people who are like "just play around it"
People in general that uses things like these should be murdered.

Just look at DOOM 2016 and Glory kills that ruined the games flow.
>Hurr, don uus it den...

>>377601382
they're weak so it balances out

>>377603382
They're only weak because everyone else has broken shit too.

In a "fair" game with no jank like Smash 4 it would have to be removed. But in melee, every top tier has bullshit near or at the level of wobbling.

>>377603583
>DotA 2 balancing vs LoL balancing

>>377601382
They're still not top tier.

>>377603583
Exactly. Like Marth's bullshit grab range. The whole game is straight jank.

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>>377604248
its not bullshit though, it matches the animation unlike pic related

>>377604563
Bowser is the worst offender of reverse grabs in Sm4sh. They ALL have extended (ridiculous, in most cases) grab ranges when reverse dash-grabbing.

>>377601554
>trash 4
who cares

>>377604248
Marth has actually kept his bullshit grab. It's not as far but in smash4 it still has some room for error

>>377604939
>wobbling meleecuckold
Laughing

>>377601554
>b-but something happened in a different game
not melee, not an argument

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Probably a dumb question, but in hope of an unexpected answer I'll ask anyway. I have an ISO of Project M that I play through USBLoader GX on my Wii, and I want to change some of the music. Is there any way I can do this without building another ISO entirely?

>>377606409
>anime pic
Cringe. Question ignored.

>>377606409
You're using the prebuilt iso so not really.

>>377601382
Why should I? It's dumb.
Only thing I can really say in its defense is that it's not super dominant so it's not /really/ a problem. More of a big annoyance.

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>>377603583
>smash 4
>no jank

>>377601382
Doesn't it take some time for IC to get desynced to the point that they can chaingrab? If that's the case, then it's pretty much your fault if you allow them to get to that point.

>>377606409
NOPE.jpg

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>>377604563
Bowser's weird pivot grab is definitely an animation error rather than a hitbox oversight.
This is the frame before the actual grab itself. You can see that he's ready to reach out pretty far but the very next frame he's holding the opponent close by.

It's like they originally made the animation too slow and instead of fixing it properly they just cut out a chunk.

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Reminder

>>377607087
except in the gif he posted wii fit trainer is nowhere near this close to bowser and still gets grabbed

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>Smash
>Fighting
LOL, smashbabbies have never played a fighter. Smash was never meant as a fighting game so please I fucking beg of you, stop showing up to multi-game tournaments and stinking up the venues you smelly fat disgusting faggots. Go play in your own shit infested ball bit so I don't have to block my nose when passing by your area. Fucking putrid shit eating cretins.

>>377601382
It's not tr4sh

OH SHOOT NIBBA GOTEEM! TR4SHCUX ON SEWER SIDE WATCH /thread

>>377607336
she's starting up back air which puts her horizontally. He just barely gets her.

>>377607435
>please stahp making my "real" fighting game lose relevance by being more poplar or I call u fat n smely ;_;

>>377607748
Autism

>>377607435
t. assblasted obese Street Fedora. Combo fighters are for hyperautistic weirdos.

>>377607839
I'm not the one sperging out over a game that doesn't copy sf

>>377607435
>LOL, smashbabbies have never played a fighter. Smash was never meant as a fighting game so please I fucking beg of you, stop showing up to multi-game tournaments
autism
>and stinking up the venues you smelly fat disgusting faggots. Go play in your own shit infested ball bit so I don't have to block my nose when passing by your area. Fucking putrid shit eating cretins.
actually correct point
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2i11is/big_house_4_will_have_a_stank_bouncer_to_refuse/
>r-reddit!! ree
first google result for "super smash bros melee tournament stink bouncers", sue me

>>377607435
>he cares about """""""competitive""""""" fighters
>he makes a long autistic sperg post about how much he hates smash
Holy shit lose weight aspie

>>377601382

If they come back in a future smash game without wobbling or chain grabs, would they suck?

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>>377601382
Why? It's not like you're trying to springboard a real conversation off of this. You probably just want to shitpost about melee/smash 4/whatever other fighting game some random faggot wants to swing around. Like the other thousand times a thread gets started with some of melee's bullshit.

>>377608013
>>377608016
>Fucking SF fag!!!!
Lmao dumb smashbabbies only know 1 fighting game. Sorry lads people play other fighters. Everyone knows that smash players live in a bubble constantly jerking off top players instead of actually learning the game. It's fucking pathetic. I can smell your disgusting mouth-breathing stench as you type. I'm not even surprised that i'm getting so many (you)'s The main people that play smash are 15-19 white kids that give off a school shooter vibe (Majority of people on /v/) i'm asking you to stop coming to tourneys not only because you reek of piss and shit but because you all scare off the other attendees. Fucking disgusting.

>>377608409
Naw, they're speedy, have good moves and kill options, and would still have an excellent grab game. If Popo grab -> Nana charged Smash still works in a later Smash game, they're high tier at worst.

>>377608524
Doesn't matter what fighting game you try to run off to, they're all going to look the same to smash players and they're going to say the same shit.

>>377608524
I didn't even say you were an SF fag. Also, I'm going to evo just to spite you.

>>377608524
Autistic as fuck. Also
>don't know any other fighters

>SF
Game for autistic niggers and gooks
>MK
Low skill dudebro fighter
>KI
Dead
>DoA
Dead
>VF
Dead
>Tekken
Poor man's SF for hipster weirdos
>any anime weeb game like GG, SG or BB
Lmfao disgusting waifucuck weebs

>>377608952
>>377608524
And smash is for autistic nintendo loving manchildren and we've come full circle.
Genre is garbage, why does anyone like this shit?

>>377607435
Nobody here is even discussing the validity or not of smash being a fighting game. You're just so desperate to feel like you fit in with the "real" fgc that just seeing a single screenshot of melee triggers you this hard. That's so sad man.

>>377608952
>>Tekken
>Poor man's SF
Opinion: discarded

>>377601382
Stop doing unsafe shit on IC's shield.
Problem solved

>>377608952
Wow you sure showed me! Like I said, they live in a bubble and just parrot whatever they hear online. Doesn't have a big tournament scene? It's dead! Autistic smash players will never ever think of playing another fighting game so it's not like they can ever have a valid opinion on the genre. Not even giving my opinion on what you think of fighters because it's not even your opinion. How about you think for yourself for once?

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>>377607435
You are the first one to bring up "smash" and "fighting game" in this context and I bet you're shit at all of them.
I put smash on the lowest level of enjoyment and I still don't feel the need to sperg out over people enjoying this game.

>>377608952
>>Tekken
>Poor man's SF for hipster weirdos
You're dumb as fuck for even having that thought even if it is to get (You)s

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>>377609158
Yeah, we should play MOBAs and Overwatch like all well-adjusted citizens.

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>>377609578
Clearly, if all you fuckers care about is how "dead" a game is considering that's one of the first points jumped to in these threads, then that shit sounds more your speed.

>>377601382
Melee's meta is so stale that seeing a diferent character, however lame and cancerous, is just that refreshing

>>377601614
Tru dat brother

>>377601382
Kill nana off of every separation, dont do stupid shit that gets you grabbed

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>>377604875
Meanwhile

>>377606865
It has nothing on the level of wobbling or shines.

The one thing that came close was pre-nerf Bayo, now at least you can DI out of her bullshit if you know how she works. Witch Time is still cancer though.

>>377611890

It's fucking insane, just make it like a normal tether grab and be done with it.

>>377607087
I'm too focused on Captain Falcon's ass

>>377601554
Smash 4 hasn't been out for over 10 years like melee.

>>377614369
It's a nice ass

>>377602323
I would unironically recommend PM for people wanting faster combo-based Melee-gameplay with actual balance.

Otherwise Sm4sh is the choice for that larger roster variety and "persistent out-timing" gameplay.

>>377603583
So rlban them and now they became uselees and top tiers are just as strong? Whats your argument here

>>377604563
>>377607087
IIRC the reason that gif happened was WFT was in in the opening frames for a bair, which extended his hitbox far enough for the magnet hands to happen

Bowser's Pivot grab range is still pretty crazy regardless