It's not an oversized button

It might as well be with as much use as it gets.

>>377590669
Witcher does it pretty good.
Press it and the menu comes up. Press it longer and you go straight to the inventory.
Swipe upwards and you open the world map directly.

>>377590709
why not just press left, right, and bottom instead of holding and swiping

it can tell where you press it and count as multiple buttons

>>377590936
Get with the times anon

>replaces Select, which was just a single standard button
>can be touch input, several different buttons and swipes on top of that
It's a net positive.

And I'm sure I'll get ridiculed for saying this, but I'm fairly sure it's not intended to be used by every game or be some central gimmick to sell the system on, it's just there as an optional input for developers who want to use it. It simply adds more input options for devs to work with.

Kojimbo made it work pretty well, makes me think it was him that asked for it.

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>friends thinking to get a PS4
>asks me what the screen on the controller is for

>>377591151
I liked the START and SELECT buttons, it felt organized
I don't mind the touch pad to replace SELECT but the SHARE button feels really useless and I'm pretty sure no one uses it

>>377590669
It's a touchpad
/thread

>>377590936
>and bottom
I thought it was just left and right

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>>377591251
>2006
>friend buys a PSP
>tries out monster hunter in the store
>can't control the character and looks like an idiot
>use the stick anon
>I thought thats a speaker

>>377591320
I use it all the time, set as quick screenshot

>>377591320
>use the share button on the DS4 on PC as a select button all the time
>try to open a map or subscreen when playing anything on the PS4 and I'm making accidental videos and screenshots galore

It's fucking annoying is what it is. Also I wish they would fuck off with the touch pad since that's the main reason why the battery life is complete horseshit

>>377591320
Start was literally just renamed Options, which makes far more sense for what it actually does. The Start button was used for pausing games and bringing up options menus. Options is a far better word for it.

>Share is useless and no one uses it
I mean that's demonstrably incorrect, but even beyond that I use it constantly because I like taking screenshots. Screenshot buttons being adopted industry wide is awesome IMO, and if you don't use it yourself they should be easy to ignore.

>>377591320
>I'm pretty sure no one uses it
You're pretty wrong on that account I'm sure. Just look at all the uploaded screenshots on the PSN. Plus, /v/irgins use it so they can post screenshots here.

>>377591386
it presses well from bottom too

and the console can tell from where you're pressing it, so it could technically be as many buttons as you want

but most won't do more than left/right since it'd become hard to tell the boundaries, bottom/center is simple enough though

>>377591431
>since that's the main reason why the battery life is complete horseshit
Isn't it more because there's a huge light in the back though ?
honestly the light is even more annoying than the touch pad, especially when you're playing in the dark, it's too bright
I wish we could turn it off

>>377591546
lot of people disconnected the light completely and it didn't help the battery life in any noticeable way

that light hardly use anything at all

>>377591397
His real mistake was playing Monster Hunter.

>>377591397
kek, I can imagine that

>>377591406
>>377591452
>>377591454
Ah well my bad then, truth is I don't use it at all and when they announced it it kinda felt like they cared to all the streaming and social network thing, but I guess they just adapt to the way people play


Oh yeah I even forgot START was renamed OPTIONS. It does make more sense but OPTIONS feels too... serious ? I don't know, it sounds more like a computer button, START felt like something more linked to video games

>>377590669
Its an oversized button that can theoretically be used as a touchpad and allows sony to drive up the price of the controller to the consume with less backlash.

Have you heard of "HD Rumble"?

>>377591735
>start
>since the beginning of consoles, it has always been used as a.. pause button
it only ever made sense on the title screen "hurr durr, insert coin to.. I mean press start to begin"

I hear that it is pretty good at simulating mouse input in pc. Anyone have any experiences with that? Was thinking of buying a ds4 to use on pc.

>>377591742
But the DS4 costs the exact same as the DS 3.

>>377591842
I wouldn't say it's good at it compared to good touchpads, but it's still handy when you don't want to switch between mouse and controller for mudane things like a bit of menu browsing

especially nice when you're playing on the couch without a mouse anywhere near

>>377591668

fuck yourself anon mhfu and p3rd was fun

>>377591251
It would have had way more use as a screen. I thought it was a screen back when the DS4 was shown and I was utterly disappointed that it was a fucking touchpad.

>>377591948
Great then. Was going to use it while steam home streaming on my pc. Thanks anon for confirming my need to spend 40 bucks i dont have

>>377591842

It works pretty well, I bought my ds4 on its release for pc, still going strong.
I miss the touchpad as now I'm using drivers that let me connect both DS4s and DS3s at once and it doesn't support it...

>>377592069
I hate screens on controllers, I never EVER fucking look at the controller, nor want to

often I even keep it under covers while playing comfy

>>377592115

FYI steam has big screen so its one of the things where you don't really need the touchpad.

>>377591835
No but I completely agree that it's stupid to name it START, but it feels like a video game tradition
Not that I care about traditions, ultimately I don't give a shit about the name of a button
Thing is the PlayStation controllers have pretty remained the same since the PS1, the DS4 is pretty different all of a sudden
Overall I like the DS4, my only "problem" with it is that it's way less visually pleasing than the previous DS.
But what it lost in design it gained in comfort so I don't mind

>not having a RUN button
>not having a pause button on the console itself
>not having a analog button
>not having a mode button
>not having nine unlabeled ambiguous buttons
>not having full keyboard in the middle

this thread is dildos

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>>377592424
>not having an extension port for a cable that plugs directly into the center of your brain

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>>377590669
I use my ps4 more, but prefer the Xbox one controller.

Real talk though, how the FUCK was anyone supposed to do the motion controls for emotes in bloodborne?

I still haven't figured it out to this day.

>>377592303
>it's way less visually pleasing than the previous DS

I think it looks way better, ds3 next to it looks like some chunky russian toy.
My biggest problem with it is that I could not find sticks with the original rubber coating, the one that kept rubbing off for people, it was so good I'd rather just replace it every year, than use this current hard plastic one.

Yeah but I'd rather have devs not giving a fuck about the touch features than forcing you to use them.

>>377591546
The light is just an LED. It consumes virtually no power compared to the touchpad and constant bluetooth connectivity.

>>377591546

I have put a silicone case on mine which lets me slide a paper between the controller and the skin that blocks the light.

And then I got the new controller which brings the light through the touchpad for some dumb god forsaken stupid reason.
Thank god you actually can turn it off on PC atleast

>>377592580
? The controller that came with my console today has rubber sticks still

>>377593026

Soft rubber? Does it have the light on the touchpad?

>>377593064
The touchpad and light are separate, I can see the light shine through the touchpad though.
I can squish it a bit on the sides of the stick, it overall feels sticky and a bit dirty

>>377593137

Huh, well lucky you. I bought a ps4 a few months ago and it came with the hard rubber with barely any grip, and the led shining through the touchpad.

The soft rubber gripped my finger perfectly, it was the best stick I ever used.
Now I bought some replacement ones and its the exact same stuff as on the new controller.

>>377591431
>>377591604
Honest question. I'm new to the PS4 and so far my controller has amazing battery life. I've played pretty much every evening this week, plus yesterday almost all day and its still on one bar. And charging it is really quick as well. One hour max until I have three bars again.
So are you guys referring to the older version of the controller or whats going on?

>>377593247

My controller is the new one 3 months old and I doubt it lasts 6 hours on a charge, pretty disappointing.

>>377591882
On the initial purchase, yes. However the touch pad burns through the battery really quickly forcing you to constantly recharge the DS4. My DS3 lasts around a week with 12 hours of daily use while the DS4 dies after about 5-6 hours of use tops.
So its upkeep cost (variable cost) is much higher than that of the DS3. Don't fall for this stupid "it costs the same" meme. Be a smart consumer and don't let Sony fuck you in the ass.

Xbox One has the best controller this gen.

>>377593314
I pretty much given up on using it wireless myself, ended up buying a long silky smooth cable

it used to last about 6 hours too (which already wasn't enough) but now it's down to 3 hours

>>377593608

I heard you can easily buy better batteries for it now. Though I never bothered, as you say - a cable is fine too, both at my PC and using it on my bed easily lets me use a cable as well.

>>377593608
>tfw your ancient as fuck DS3 still last like 24 hours wireless with its original battery
optimally I wish it used AAA batteries though, those are so easy to replace / charge, can swap easily with a 2nd set too

>>377593949
>put modern AA batteries in a gameboy classic
>I can play pokemon for an entire week without rest

Show me a modern gadget that can compete.
It's not like gameboy games are magically less fun now either.

>>377594040
>b-but mah graphix

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>>377594040
>not using up 6 AA batteries every 5 hours
step it up senpai

>>377594209
Yeah obviously games get better with more graphics, bugs, DLC and whatever else we have achieved in the past 20 years.

>>377593949
>optimally I wish it used AAA batteries though

Thats so fucking stupid its unreal.

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>Options opens the menu

>Touchpad is unused

>>377591406
But you have to hold it with triangle with a two second delay, it fucking sucks at the one thing it was made for

>>377594347
Please explain to my poor stupid self, because I don't see any reason why it is.

>>377594279
We haven't achieved anything since 2007 besides a graphical leap. Let that sink in.

>>377594450
change its settings to quick screenshot, then you don't have to hold

holding becomes for opening the menu, which I only use when I want to save a video clip

>>377594482
Have graphics even improved since then?
Crysis could come out again today and look fine.

>>377594450
You can change the settings so only a press will get you a screenshot.

>>377594451

Takes up a lot of space, costs a lot of money, cannot be charged by default and so far there haven't been a controller that has those and works from a simple cable too.

Don't you have a second controller? Just swap with that, nothing is easier than that and it doesn't make you waste money on batteries.

>>377594501
Whaaaaaaaaaaa-? I feel so dumb now!

>>377594535
>Have graphics even improved since then?
Compared to 6th gen? Yes.

>>377594450
>>377594482
>>377594540

>even changed the screenshot has like a 2 second delay

I find this shit unbelievable, how hard it can be to take the screenshot instantly..

>>377590669
Does it do anything at all that a few buttons wouldn't do better, and more cheaply?

>>377594545
>costs a lot of money
>can't be charged by default
nigga what, I use and charge those damned batteries everyday over the course of years before I need to replace and they didn't even cost much

as for space, people typically complain the controllers are too small anyway -- so there's plenty of room for batteries

>>377594613

Makes the DS4 a better controller for the PC than it is for the PS4.

>>377594665

>its good to charge batteries
>but its nto good to charge controllers

Yeah, stupid as shit.
And no there isn't. People complain about the size of the controller where you grip it, just because you like 360 controller tier tumours that go against the ergonomy doesn't mean others do too.
Think of how stupid you are the next time you want to change batteries and you forgot to charge them.

>>377590669
About as useless as the screen on a wiiu gamepad.

>>377594784
you can make a controller that you can charge directly with AAA batteries you know, just like any other batteries

and as a bonus you have hte option to take them out and put them in your own charger

>>377594605
It does from what I remember. It just has a delayed notification.

>>377594839
and it's especially nice when it comes to replacing since you don't need some obscure battery, and go opening the controller risking to mess things up

batteries get worse overtime

>>377594898

Nah, I missed several moments because it takes it right around when the notification shows up. Might be game dependant but its pathetic either way.

>>377594784
>Makes the DS4 a better controller for the PC than it is for the PS4.

I never even thought of that, but if it works, that's brilliant.

>>377594960
Then I stand corrected. My bad.

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>>377594839
>>377594935

Yeah, I sure do want a massive pack of shit on my controller to block the place where my fingers should rest.
>mess things up
Its like 7 screws and a simple connector.

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>>377594605
Only the notification is delayed. The screenshot is taken instantly. Its only a matter of if you have your setting on "hold" or simply "press" the button.
I take a ton of screenshots and not a single one has been delayed.

The notification also comes, after the screenshot is taken obviously.

>>377595052
I see you're legit retarded

>>377595065

Not in my experience.
Once you take screenshots on a PC then you'll know what 'instant' actually is.

>Playing with a controller
>Playing consoles
lul enjoy your 60fps and shitty thubsticks scrublord children

>>377595119
He's not advocating the use of batteries in 2017. So no anon, you're the retarded one.

>>377595126
>Once you take screenshots on a PC then you'll know what 'instant' actually is.
I do and I know what instant means. Look at the screenshot I posted. If that was taken delayed, you'd just see a corpse lying on the ground.
I've no idea what the problem on your end is, but the screenshots aren't delayed for me.

>>377595239

Well as I said, maybe its game dependant, I sure as fuck couldn't take a properly timed shot in Nier the last time I tried. Or possibly even pro-related.
In the end its pointless, the controller has its own screenshot button and its slow, has a delay at atleast in some games, and is an absolute bitch to move them from the console to a computer. for a dedicated function, its inferior to literally any form of it on PC.

>>377595350
>its inferior to literally any form of it on PC.
That's just consoles altogether.

>>377595350
Have you got it set to save as png? Because that adds a delay.

>>377595350
>for a dedicated function, its inferior to literally any form of it on PC.
Well its there, so people can share screenshots in the playstation network. For that it actually works perfectly fine as a dedicated function.
I also wouldn't say its an absolute bitch to move them, since all you have to do is to insert a random usb medium and you can just select all of them and copy them over.
Sure, being able to use the home network would be a nice feature, but its not really necessary.

>>377595439

True, but one would think this is something they could handle better, considering how on PC, before the advent of stuff like shadowplay which can dump shots/videos directly from the GPU you always had to use 3rd party options for it.
And yet they are still better.

>>377595478

Don't know, my console is just gathering dust for months now.

>>377595516

Having to physically move them is about as much of a bitch thing as it can be. Having to use fucking social media accounts for any non-physical option is ridiculous, atleast let you mail them or upload to a drive if I have to log onto somewhere anyway.

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>>377595629
>Having to physically move them is about as much of a bitch thing as it can be
Yeah, plugging in something into a console every once in a while is such a hassle...

>>377595787

Well yes, its the opposite of what should be happening between two computers connected to the same network AND the internet.
I now you deeply enjoy being a contrarian cocksucker right now, but I'm right in all possible ways, its 2017, you can send directly, through the internet, upload to a cloud, and all of this is one click on both machines. At this point the screenshots could be made available on a PC/Phone the moment you took them on your ps4 - THAT is what convenient is.
Fuck yourself anon, bet you are also the guy advocating batteries here.

>>377596121
ITS
TWENTY
SEVEN
TEEN

THE C U R R E N T Y E A R
WOOOOOWWWWW

>>377596195

I guess it doesn't mean that much to someone born after 2000.

As a long time sonyfag, let me give a guide on how to fix the ps4

>use better plastic
>make the touchpad optional
>use the space from the touchpad not being there to have a larger battery
>fix the defect with the left stick after natural wear and tear
>remove that stupid fucking giant ass light for fuck sake

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I love my PS4.

>>377596746
le inconspicuous black hand in the picture meme

>>377596530

I think the plastic is fine, the touchpad is okay especially for PC use, it most certainly is not taking "space" from a bigger battery, if you ever took yours apart, the defect is already fixed.

The light I absolutely agree on, the DS3's lights were perfectly fine, the update they made to it just made it way worse.

The way to actually fix these things is to make two versions - because trying to make a single controller fit ergonomically in the hands of 160cm tiny tiny japanese hands, as well as 190cm western big hands at the same time is just IMPOSSIBLE.
Mage a slim controller for the small handed and a big ass controller for the west.

Theres a massive mouse market on PC because everyone's hands are different and something that is a comfortable fit for one guy, may not be for the other. Meanwhile 1 controller "fits all" with controllers, kek.

>>377593602
Too bad the d-pad on the Xbone controller suffers from contact bouncing after a year or two of regular use (at least for mine). Otherwise it's a bretty gud controller.

>>377592424
>not having a DOUG button

>>377593402

Upkeep cost? You ain't replacing batteries faggot, and recharging a USB device sure as fuck isn't putting that much of a load on your electricity bill.

>>377594981
Of course it "works" mechanically, the problem is that the touchpad is so inconveniently shaped, sized, and located (because it has to fit onto an otherwise normal controller) that it's completely impractical to actually do anything with it. Especially so once you consider most games only like controller inputs or keyboard inputs at one time, so you can only bind it to the incredibly limited scope of inputs that are already on the controller. It's a complete boondoggle at best.

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Don't bully Dualshock-chan

>>377590669
The Wii-mote was stupid.
The Kinect was stupid.
Sixaxis was stupid.
This "button" is stupid.

>>377591320
Wait, the controller has no start or select buttons?

>>377591546
I covered the light soon after purchasing the PS4.

>>377599316
"Vibration" function was stupid too and the PS4 controller speaker is gay.

>there are people who praise and defend the ridiculous swipe button
>while shitting on gyro aiming