ITT: Games that have aged like a fine brandy

>>377538016

It has aged like milk. Most Melee players are just stuck in 2003 and don't realize it.

Games don't age dumbo

>>377538130
it was the last good Smash game. sure it had useless underwhelming characters but Project M fixed all that

>tfw half the soundtrack is amazing orchestral and the other half is literal Windows MIDI drums

>>377538228
lol

>>377538130
If it aged like milk then it wouldn't have a thriving competitive scene.
Melee is a timeless game unlike SF2.

>>377538280

Project M is the last good Smash game.

>>377538228
Games age dumbo*

>>377538319

It's a competitive scene of people stuck in the early 2000's. Of course they don't see its age.

>>377538130
>aged like milk
>still a large community who play it in competitive events 16 years later
C'mon, man

>>377538435
? You're going to have to be more specific.

>>377538319
More like third worlders couldn't get wii's so melee got held up by brs are russiks watching streams

I fucking hate all you smash faggots.

>>377538557
see
>>377538435

>>377538319
The only reason it has a competitive scene is due to memes, ecelebs, and that it has nintendo mascots in it, also cause everyone who plays it thinks is the deepest game ever, but hasnt played any other competitive game ever

Also the scene is full of literal kids, teens and autists

>>377538613
are you mad because our game is more popular and more fun

>>377538557
>large community
>same 6 sperglords every finals

>>377538779

Fun doesn't mean a game is good.

>>377538761
That's the ONLY reason? It's not because it's a fun game with more movement, more variability than other fighting games?

The fact that you can fucking platform doesn't factor in at all?

Why does Melee attract so many retards? Both against it and with it, it's like their whole life depends on justifying why the game is good or bad.

Do these people even play the game?

>>377538827
Oh wow
I thought this meme was dead

>>377538280
>Project M

why brawlfags are always praising this shit mod? It's the same shit as brawl, i'm glad nintendo C&D the idiots responsible for such a shit taste mod.

git gud at melee

>>377538779
I used to be top 100 you big shitter. You stinky fucks spread like the plague and ruin every venue you touch. So happy I dropped this game.

>>377538130
It really hasn't. The mechanics haven't changed one bit in the later smash games.

Smash is still the go-to version I play when I have friends over.

>>377539021
>smash
*melee

Melee is a good game
But it is possibly the single most overrated game of all time.

Also, the competitive scene is dead, for two reasons;

One, you need a gamecube controller that is defective in a very specific way, and those controllers are extremely rare and becoming rarer. You're going to run out of those kinds of controllers pretty damn quick, and then you'll have nothing to play with.
https://twitter.com/Kadano/status/858340133095055360

Two; Top eight is stale as FUCK.
The standard Smash players NEVER FUCKING CHANGE.
EVER.
A reliable pool is a stale game. If you can't keep the top brackets rotating, then there's nothing new for players to learn and try. That's a "Solved" game and inherently bad for competitive play.

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>>377538130
mostly because it's for kids

>>377538761
Yeah if only Smash fags could hit the three buttons in the same order over and over like all the """"""""""pro""""""""" MvC players.

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Competitive smash is the best most laughable thing I have ever seen. I'm surprised the faggots that are into it haven't started competitive Mario Party yet

>>377538962
>why brawlfags are always praising this shit mod? It's the same shit as brawl

you have no idea what you're talking about

the problem with Melee is the same problem with literally every game that isn't designed around a competitive scene. It's the square peg round hole problem.

Any game you have to remove huge swaths of content just to make competitively viable, isn't competitively viable, by definition.

Melee isn't a competitive game for the same reason you can't cut a car in half and call it a bicycle.

>>377539163
>One, you need a gamecube controller that is defective in a very specific way
>melee pros where exploiting from the start

>>377539327
it is the same laggy gameplay, same shitty engine. stop defending a turd mod.

>>377539163
>One, you need a gamecube controller that is defective in a very specific way

You don't need it. There has only been one (1) instance of a player not competing because of it and it happened 3 weeks ago

>Two; Top eight is stale as FUCK
This is how games with very high skill ceilings work. There's so little room for error that you have to be near-perfect, both offensively and defensively that it separates the top-tier players from the scrubs in a very convincing way.

>That's a "Solved" game and inherently bad for competitive play.

Except that's literally the opposite of what it is. A solved game would mean that there's one sure-fire way to beat it. If it was a "solved game" like you say, people could learn the one gimmick that supposedly solves this game and everyone would be playing at the same level, with the winner being decided by random chance basically.

A large skill gap inherently shows that it's not a solved game, and if you just thought about it for even one second you would understand

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>>377540106
>A large skill gap inherently shows that it's not a solved game

>>377539608
>Any game you have to remove huge swaths of content just to make competitively viable, isn't competitively viable, by definition.

I'm so sick of this tired, poorly thought out argument. I'd like to know what your definition of competitively viable is.

In soccer they cut the field into pieces, disallow you from touching the ball with your hands, don't let you go offside, even though it's possible to do.

A strict ruleset is what makes a competitive game a competitive game, and just because you have to click on a few things in a menu doesn't disqualify it from being competitive

>>377540454
you play soccer with the same rules on a casual and competitive level

try again faggot, you don't know shit about sportsballs

>>377538016
op

>>377540226
Nice argument retard.

Checkers or tic-tac-toe are solved games, if there were tournaments held for it, and people learned how to play a perfect game, every game would end in a draw, and every player would be deemed to be exactly the same skill level.

Just fucking think before you go spouting bullshit and posting tired reddit memes

>>377538869
Based

hey i know nothing about competetive smash and got some noob questions
why are people playing without items?
why are only a few stages being played?
wouldnt it be good to have a fanremade of the game to balance characters?
also whats so bad about brawl why is there no competetive scene for that?

The same people have been winning since 2009, why would anyone want to attempt to be a ''top player'' is beyond me. Have fun paying the paychecks of these 6 players I guess

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>>377540784
Chess is considered a solved game by ALL grandmasters

I don't delude myself that I can win just by reading a strategy book because execution is important

the ability to be good at the game =/= innovation

how you did those mental gymnastics I will never know

>>377541098
Most people don't play melee thinking they're going to be raking in money as a top player, they play for fun

Do you also go around your neighbourhood screaming at kids playing basketball, telling them to give up because they'll never be like Lebron James?

From what I can tell most people who are so asspained about the mere existence of melee are just upset that people are enjoying themselves in a different way

>>377541135
>Chess is considered a solved game by ALL grandmasters

Listen, I agree with your overall point, but don't say something retarded.

>>377540827
>RNG
>Infinites and stalling happen on the other stages, others are just 2 big (Hyrule, that other Yoshi map I forget the name, etc) and some are just janky in general
>Project M but got banned on Twitch because Nintendo, its scene is doing okay but will never flourish like is once did.
>Slow, Floaty, No combos, tripping, Meta Knight and ICs, etc.

GC controller is shite

>>377541135
>Chess is considered a solved game by ALL grandmasters

Except that's absolutely not true. Why do you spout blatant lies? I have the internet too bud

>>377541098
People play competitive Melee because it's fun as fuck.

>>377541376
thanks for answering
is the rng that bad? it seems to me that it would be more fun with items
i have to check out projekt m at some time looks really cool

>>377541512
>>377541342

Well I'm pretty sure I saw that meme floating around in the 90's, but if opinions have changed from then that is news to me

last time I checked there was only 3-4 competitively viable openings, so that is solved enough imo

>>377541674
It's not even so much the RNG, but items make it so that you can just run away from your opponent until a good item appears, which would quickly make the game stale as fuck.

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>>377541674
Yeah some items can spawn and immediately hit someone and kill them. It may be more fun for some people but it just gets in the way of comp players. And you should! PM is really fun even casually. I prefer Melee myself but PM is a fun even ground between Smash 4 and Melee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJIBZZ6a_Hs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSiHKiy-Mzs

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>>377541674
>get a massive read on your opponent
>prepare for that juicy punish
>a bomb spawns on top of you and kills you
In what universe is this fair or fun? It's anti-fun.

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>>377538016

>>377542112
How are the items in PM? Or are they the same as Brawl? Might fuck up the overall balancing if it is so, then again PM wasn't intended to be balanced that way.

Smash 4 items are fucking garbage. they either kill you in one hit, or super fucking early, or are completely fucking useless.

>>377542289
imagine if youre the other player
>fuck up bad
>rng saves you
seems pretty fun to me
but i understand that it can be frustrating

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>>377542457
>gust bellow
>flying beetle
It's like they wanted smash 4 to be the worst game both competitively and casually.

>>377542725
>>gust bellow
>>he dies to gust bellows

It fun as fuck but its gotten to the point where I don't kill anyone with it anymore

How much of a scrub are you?

>>377542457
It's the same item list in brawl, but they replaced the curry item with turbo mode (super ool, you can cancel any attack into any other attack on hit)

iirc they did do some balacing on items, but I can't remember which ones specifically. They were never meant to be used in comp play, either way though

>>377542838
I haven't played with items since release.
They're the worst items in the entire series so far.

>>377538990
Calm down Leffen

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>>377543112
So you didn't play 64 then?

>>377543281
your reading comprehension is dog shit

>>377543281
64 has few items but they're still better.
>pokeballs limited to 3 on screen at all times despise being the latest entry
>a 16 years old game was able to handle 12 pokemon on screen
There's no excuse.

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>>377543427
SO you did any you are a jaded twat

I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before calling you a retard

>>377543594
Ah, so it's not just your reading comprehension that's non-existent, you're also partially illiterate

>>377543486
>he wants 16 Pokemon on screen
>16 pokemon when there is 14 in the entire game


smart

>>377543708
>I don't have a comeback:the post

adorable

try having a point next time

>>377543486
That's partially because sm4sh was handcuffed by having to do the same things on the 3DS and Wii U. If they can't fit 2 ice climbers on the screen I'm sure they can't fit 12 pokemon

>>377538827
Lol

>>377543594
>>377543801
>SO you did any you are a jaded twat
He's right m8 you sound like a complete retard he doesn't need a retort for you

>>377543843
Not at all.
The 3ds version has a 1 pokemon limit, different from the WiiU version.
>>377543710
>16 pokemon
This guy can't even read properly. For shame.

>>377543801
Comeback to what? You're literally speaking gibberish in your last two posts. Are you posting in the right thread? Are you suffering from a stroke?

>>377538869
lol

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>>377544017
So do you want to tell me why smash 64 has better items then 4?

Im waiting smartass

>>377544058
So are you gonna get to the point or is ad hominem all you got?

Because that is LITERALLY all you have posted so far other then a baseless opinion

see
>>377544148

>>377544148
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>377544302
>more ad hominem

glad to see I won this internet fight

>>377544024
So, you want 12 pokemon on screen at a time?

You do remember what the game played like when you got more then 6 out right?

I sure do love 20 fps gameplay myself

>>377538591
>LOOOOOOOLLLL third worlders couldn't get wii being poor fags

>90% of the competitive community is either in USA or Sweden

lol

>>377539239
Here is your (you)

>>377538016
Its shit. Most of the roster is not viable

>>377543112
Finally someone gets it.

>>377544148
Items and stages in 4 are absolutely obnoxious and completely hinder anyone's ability to play the game. Even other "party" games like Mario Kart and Mario Party don't have that level of jank. At least if you know what your doing (track/ minigames) you can compensate for RNG. In 4 it's whole-screen items and stage hazards that not even a 12 year old would find enjoyable. They completely interrupt the flow of the battle and completely rob the player of any sense that they have control. Casuals can barely tell that they're Pikachu, there's no way they can keep track of a cluster fuck.

People want to at least feel like they're playing the game and have control. People naturally want to win, even when they're having fun. The items being too strong in 4 robs people of that.

>>377544381
Smash 64 having better items than sm4sh is a subjective opinion, so I don't know where your going with this, or how this relates to an "argument"

But I do find it really funny how you're acting like such a smug cunt while also being unable to write a coherent sentence or work within context of anything anyone else says, thanks for the laugh

>>377544797
That isn't why smash 64 has better items then 4 you fucking retard, that is just an argument agent items

and melee is one of the worse offenders for scrolling stages and random shit, because I know what you are gonna say next so I am just going to inb4

>decide to check out "THE HYPE SMASH 4 CIRCUIT"
>nearly grand finals of doubles
>6.5k viewers
"But it can't be dead, it has a circuit guys"
*closes ears and eyes"
"CIRCUIT CIRCUIT CIRCUIT CIRCUIT"

>>377538016
Any game by treasure

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>>377545294
>Who watches Doubles
>Smash 4 is at EVO
>He picks one tournament out of dozens + Local Tournaments

>>377545582
Plenty of people watch doubles in Melee.

Smash 4 was bought in.

I picked a tournament that's on the epic circuit. This should be at 10k MINIMUM.

>>377544894
here is the thing, smash 64 has everything you just described already

Beedrill/Snorlax anyone?

Also inb4 you say is only 2 things, those thing showed up more often because 64 has less items and pokemon

>>377544949
No, Melee actually has the best items in the game. They subtly change the flow of the battle without being giant clusterfucks. I actually LIKE playing with some items on when there's more than 2 players, and my favorite Melee level is Rainbow Cruise.

Compare some of the similar items from 64/ Melee to Brawl/ 4:
>Fan vs Ore Club
>Bob-Omb vs Smart Bomb
>Motion Sensor vs Hothead
>Ray Gun vs Cracker Launcher

Almost every item after Melee has been a "fire and forget" item that you either use once or mash the button and it kills everything for you. In 64/ Melee the paradigm is "use the items as a little nudge to help you win" while in Brawl/ 4 the paradigm is "Press the A button to kill everything! Whoa aren't these cray flashing colors just so exciting?!". It's like playing Mario Kart and every item is a blue shell.

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>>377538016
All it needs is a resolution mod

>>377546139
It's Hilarious because the actual blue Shell isnt as good as the Smart Bomb

>>377544226
>>377544080

RCT2 is still my jam. It's a fucking masterpiece

>>377542725
sauce

>>377541282
They probably have a better chance with basketball compared to melee.

>>377546367
Isn't there one already?
>>377545294
Smash 4 doubles is complete garbage, just like singles. Why are you surprised?

>>377538783
That argument is always refuted with "B-B-BUT LOCAL TOURNEYS THO" like any of those are any better

Better when these fucking morons think having a million local tourney's is even a good thing

>>377538783
>if you don't make it to grand finals you're not a part of the community

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>>377538761
>>377538863
i'm not a smash fag but iirc the reason smashfags still play melee is because of the unexpected engine bugs/system that allowed them to do what they think is "technical" gameplay that nintendo made effort to take out of the games later in the series, so they are all stuck playing melee as they feel the more recent games to be inferior.

>>377547161
>Better when these fucking morons think having a million local tourney's is even a good thing

It is, it's nothing but good for the community when it's being played in nearly every region in the US and with large international communities, and I'd like to see you try to explain why it's bad without childish shit-flinging

>>377547257
Melee players will never move on. EVER. Even if the game gets ported to the switch, the smallest error will make it non-competitively viable for the community. They're all autistic white teenagers, all of them.

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>>377547257
so you think it isn't technical

>>377540612
Actually, casual soccer is very often played on fields not big enough for "proper" competitive play, without an offside rule or with teams of less than 11 people each.

>>377547257
>I am literally incapable of forming my own opinions: The post

Go look at high-level Melee gameplay. Then go look at high-level Smash 4 gameplay. Please tell me which one looks like it has the higher skill ceiling.

Also "muh wavedash bug" isn't even a valid complain, because there is an equivalent technique in Smash 4, as well as tons of other "exploits". Every single competitive game ever has these little quirks of the engine that the competitive scene picks up. See: strafe-jumping, bunnyhopping, SFII combos. Developers are even sometimes aware of these techniques and don't remove them. In fact, wave dashing and SFII combos were two such things.

I'd probably care about melee if the top players used more than the same 3 characters on the same 2 stages

>>377538016
It got sour after all the shit hitboxes & frames.

>>377542289
>mfw you plan everything down to every millisecond but your opponent doesn't listen to your script
>mfw you're so reliant on everything being predictable that you can't git gud

>>377548231
They use 6 stages, and sometimes you see other characters too.

>>377548231
Trust me, you wouldn't. The game is at it's most exciting and fast when high tier characters are used

>>377548743
No

>>377547934
That's not technical. That's just repeating the same thing over & over as you try to "trick" your opponent into fumbling. If I decided to code a game where you have to click a dozen buttons to jump & another ten to attack, I doubt it'd be considered technical. Appearances mean nothing.

Anon, I remember glitching out of the map in some games. Apparently I'm not supposed to.

>>377548917
>If I decided to code a game where you have to click a dozen buttons to jump & another ten to attack, I doubt it'd be considered technical

It absolutely would, it wouldn't be considered fun, however.

I know you think this false equivalence means anything, but melee still has one button to jump, one button to attack, one button to shield etc. There's no wasted inputs just for the hell of it. Every single action per minute is meaningful and has a specific purpose

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fuck out boostfags

>>377550451
>He thinks SA2 is good

its a good "b" game

>>377549423
You been to the competitive scene? You don't walk. You wavedash. You don't land. You cancel out of it to save some frames off the animation. You might as well say that it's physically possible to play the game without any of the shoulder buttons & defend it with that logic.

There's shit tons of wasted movement. I could make it so that each move has 100x lag & you'd have to click a separate button with your toes to cancel out of that. Those movements are things everyone does.

>>377538280
>Meleefags

GO TO EVO YOU USELESS CUNTS.