Age/Game

29, Dragons Dogma.

24
MGS2

30
Tenchu 2

>this thread
>data mining
>newfags will fall for this

>>377538286
Your tinfoil hats don't belong here.

19
Hideo Kojima's Ruse Cruise

26
Yakuza zero

There is hope in videogames yet

28
Bloodborne

68
Micro-Phonied

>>377538286
That cutscene is a red herring. The real ending will be return to Camp Omega.

19, MGS3 Or maybe Persona 5, can't really decide yet

>>377537897
>18
>The Last of Us

should I post my critique of why MGS2 is better than MGS3

18
Final Fantasy VI

>19
>The Witcher 3

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>>377538286
>Oh no, now big business will try to appeal to my tastes!

24
Super Metroid

>>377538743
Go for it

>>377538743
preach brother

33
Demon's Crest

>>377538683
based caramel

doesn't miss a thread

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Reminder that everbody who says that they are 18/19 are actually underage.

>>377538818
>>377538836
The predominant narrative on the Internet says that Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is a peak of video game design, story, and artistry. This opinion is often established in tandem with backhanded praise of Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty which typically deems the game an interesting but convoluted and less satisfying experience. While this is the most popular opinion on the Internet, I would argue that it is not by any stretch the most accurate. I hope to present the case that Metal Gear Solid 2 is a better experience across its development including gameplay and story/themes.

Before I begin: I’d like to openly state that I played the games as an outsider. I started with MGSV, then moved to MGS3 due to the aforementioned acclaim online, and then played the rest of the series chronologically. Despite playing MGS3 as my first classic Metal Gear game, I still definitively stand behind MGS2.

Gameplay

For the purpose of a fair comparison, I am omitting any concerns of camera control in MGS3. While the original fixed-camera perspective has its faults, I also think that the game mechanics and level design are balanced around this perspective. For instance: there are many areas where it is crucial (both in MGS2 and MGS3) that the player peek around corners or specifically use First Person View (attached to R1). In the traditional Third Person camera of the Subsistence and HD versions of MGS3, peeking is a useless mechanic and First Person is used only for shooting.

1/?

>>377537897
23
Single player: Xenoblade Chronicles or Fable 2
Multiplayer: CoD4

The flaws to Metal Gear Solid 3’s gameplay are not as simplistic as a “bad” camera; these flaws recur throughout the game. Primarily, it’s attached to the level design and Camouflage mechanic. In Metal Gear Solid 2, during the Big Shell Incident, you primarily wander through corridors with tight guard routines. It’s blatantly clear when and where the player would be spotted due to the more meticulous level design. Snake Eater is based in forests/jungles and more open, natural areas. As a result, the traditional stealth system function of MGS1 and MGS2 had to be supplemented with the Camouflage system to allow for additional blending into the environments and more cover in general. This requires the player often drudging into the menu for Camouflage and switching depending on the environment the player is in. Yes, this allows for wide variety of environments to explore; but it also great amounts of time comparing Camo-values and waiting in grass patches. Compared to 2, there isn’t as much real subterfuge.

Of course, Camouflage isn’t the only menu to filter through. There is also equipment load to consider, as Snake can only carry so much weapons and items on hand.

Equipment load systems are almost never good. A good example of an equipment load system is in Dark Souls, where the equipment load actually offers a variety of different play-styles and in many ways opens up gameplay opportunities. A bad example (other than MGS3) is the item equipment load in Demon’s Souls. Systems like this and MGS3 don’t offer gameplay quirks or advantages: instead, they require you to either waste time in a menu, or waste time going back to the hub to deposit more items. In both cases, there’s still an infinite amount of items that can be held in either the menu or the NPC; there’s then a lack of purpose in having the system altogether.

2/?

28

Mario Galaxy 1&2

22
Harvest Moon 64

Last is the Triage system which is another game mechanic included solely for the sake of having a “survival” feel to the game. When Snake incurs certain injuries, you have to go into the menu and use the necessary items to cure the injury. The problem with this is similar to the Equipment system: since going into the menu is instant and you almost always have the satisfactory amount of medicines, it’s a pointless system that exists only to give an illusion of survival rather than any gameplay benefits or choice. Metal Gear Solid 2 has no unnecessary mechanics like this; as a result, it is focused more on raw stealth mechanics and navigation around heavily guarded areas.

A more controversial derision towards MGS3 is this: the bosses are weaker than MGS2.

I would like to clarify: MGS2 doesn’t have “great” boss fights. But MGS2’s fights fight better and play better overall than MGS3’s boss fights. Compare the Shagohod fight to the Harrier fight: while the Harrier is not an original or especially amazing fight, it at least functions on clear game rules which have been established for the previous 5-10 hours of gameplay. By comparison, the Shagohod is a fight where you are given infinite ammo not for thematic reasons (the sequence prior to the Rey fight(s) in MGS2) but instead because it’s the only way the fight would work. The Shagohod pauses and allows you to kill it so easily because it’s a janky fight. The Harrier doesn’t need concessions, but the Shagohod needs a number of concessions.

Otherwise, there are four other boss fights with major issues. The Pain requires an incessant amount of going between underwater and above water segments that functions poorly because of Metal Gear’s historic problem with platforming/navigation between planes. MGS1 and MGS2 had bosses without this navigational need possibly because of those games’ weaknesses in regards to platforming.

3?

The three other troublesome fights are The Fury, Volgin, and The Boss. The Fury is a boring trudge of a boss fight that involves walking around an empty warehouse until you catch sight of the enemy, fire some bullets, and then run off. It lasts far too long and lacks any dramatic consequence to the story. For both Volgin and The Boss, the issue is everything to do with their attacks. Their attacks involve clunky means of either timing “dodges” or in CQC prompts that almost never work the way the player wants them to. Contrast the CQC oriented Boss fight with the Solidus fight at the end of MGS2: For being a fight based around a weapon introduced just 30 minutes-1 hour before, it’s a masterful and engaging and – most of all – FUN fight to close out the hours of Postmodern touches. Speaking of which…

Story/Themes

To be clear from the outset: both MGS2 and MGS3 have excellent stories that rise far above their contemporaries in the medium. But they are two different stories with different themes and entirely different approaches to their narrative. Boiling it down to the simplest possible explanation: MGS2 is a commentary on what a sequel to MGS1 would be, while MGS3 is just a sequel to MGS1 (or prequel, as is the correct term). Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty spends almost all of its 2nd Act parodying Metal Gear Solid with the *actual* story being built up, like a crescendo, into the Arsenal Gear section. While it is openly admitting that it’s a mimic of Metal Gear Solid, it is also providing the actual plot details that to this point had been obscured for the purpose of the player’s confusion. Raiden’s background, the purpose of Big Shell/Arsenal Gear, and Solidus’ plot were saved for this 3rd Act where we have the game critiquing itself, the player, and the developers.

4/?

23
Vice City

>>377537897
23
san andreas

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>Tfw 22
>My favorite system is the SNES and it has a large chunk of my favorite games
>Played that shit since before I could speak
>Sometimes forget my age and end up looking like some hipster cunt when talking about the games with genuine oldfags

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44
Ultima Underworld, Dwarf Fortress, or maybe King of Fighters 98. I can't quite decide.

By comparison, Snake Eater is a far simpler game. It mimics the arc of Metal Gear Solid openly. Metal Gear Solid 3 was intended to be a game of fan-service to make up for a sequel that was the antithesis of fan-service. The plot is easily understandable, with characters and motivations clearly established and an overall traditional narrative structure. If not for the ending “twist”, it would be unexceptional in the MGS series. And yet its ending carries other problems compared to Sons of Liberty…

The ending of Sons of Liberty is not intended as plot resolution: it is intended as thematic resolution. Raiden and Snake are able to tie together the message and core ideals of the experience in a poignant scene with cinematic style. The transition from Raiden finding Rose, their conversation, then the fade into a Chamber Jazz song with the credits…it’s A-R-T. None of it is forced emotion or forced drama, it all comes from the feeling of a final resolution to the tumultuous, confusing situation that happened prior and the idea that this deeply troubled character can finally find peace.

Snake Eater’s ending is emotional and dramatic. Of course it is. But it is also less genuine than the ending to Sons of Liberty.

For one, The Boss’ twist is not at all comparable to the twist of Sons of Liberty because it wasn’t something built up through the game. The player certainly gets to enjoy The Boss in her strength and idealism – I still think she’s the best character in the entire series. Yet her monologues on the ideal soldier and wartime do not foreshadow the ending well and they don’t build an emotional attachment to her. The plot-point that she’s a double agent who gave her life for her country is interesting; but it could be removed and have the exact same effect at the end of the story.

5/?

>>377537897
24
GTA: san andreas

That being said, these are minor gripes. The bigger gripe is the part of the ending that is forced emotion and drama. As Snake salutes at The Boss’ grave, he cries. But not only does he cry – the narrator (voice of Eva) is sobbing as well. It’s at this point that the illusion is broken and Kojima’s affect goes out of hand. Raiden and Rose barely have any romantic inklings at the end of Sons of Liberty; the closest thing is Raiden touching Rose’s face and the beautiful piano melody as a bird flies away. Snake Eater’s ending is a display of either a lack of confidence, or an attempt to make every fan cry. Sons of Liberty, perhaps objectively, is a stronger artistic work by its conviction to its beliefs.

Conclusion

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is inherently a pleasant aesthetic experience that has almost universal appeal. It’s a great gaming experience made by a great game developer and writer. But Metal Gear Solid 2 is a more consistent experience with better gameplay in level design and mechanics, set-pieces, writing, and application to life. It’s a stronger work of art and in many ways a stronger game as well. Discussion between these two games is unbalanced in Snake Eater’s favor; hopefully, we can engage in more intelligent, honest discussions about the Metal Gear Solid games in the future.

6/6

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>>377539173

>>377537897
19
Bloodborne

>>377539196
>born in 1973
you're too old to be here

>>377537897
22
Witcher 2

23
Favourite pornstar: Emily Grey
Favourite food: A good spaghetti bolognese

20
Bloodborne

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>>377539282
no

>>377539187
But that was the best era, same age btw

>>377539282
this picture reminds me of poop

25
Metal Slug 3

22
The Witcher 3

>>377539607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7m4KzYR4Q

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23
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
Tied with Freedom fighters
>Didn't have a SC picture on hand

>>377537897
24
Warcraft 3 custom maps
>>377538286
i hope they datamine this cuz more games require custom maps.

18
Medieval Total War 2 or AOE 2

>>377537897
21, Persona 4 Golden

33
FFIX

>>377537897
Holy shit op are you me?

>>377541265
No one cares about what shitchan wants but i agree with you

>>377537897
Hey OP, it's spelt Favourite.

23, Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War Winter Assault

>>377542117
fucking amerikanski autocorrect

>>377537897
19
Mount and Blade: Warband, AD 1257

>>377542110
more than a decade later and i still play it at least once a month just because of the custom maps.

>>377542341
that its one of the best mods you can find

26
Lufia 2 or Ace Combat Zero

>>377539270
I liked it and i agree with you in almost all points, good job, anon!

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>>377537897
>20
>FF12

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21

Super Mario 64

>>377543890
Speedrunner?

>>377537897
33
MGS1

Regularly beat my stubby little dick to polygonal Meryl

>>377537897
26
street fighter series

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>>377537897
18
MGS2

>>377537897
27
command and conquer

19
a link to the past

>>377537897
29
FF8 and mgs2

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21
God Hand

>>377537897
23
Ougon no Taiyou

>>377538286
>data mining
>company are datamining to find out what people like so they can make more stuff they like
>DON'T FALL FOR THIIIIIIIIIIIS

Are you fucking stupid? This ain't /pol/ or /k/.

26
suikoden 2

>>377537897
34
MGS3

...seriously

>>377542117
>it's spelt Favourite.
We can revert back to favourite once you have your flag on the moon and nukes in your hangar.

>>377539313
literally me

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25 - 5

Fallout New Vegas

30
Chrono Trigger

29
Shadow Hearts 2

>>377538286
thats not how we do it

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>>377538046
Same breh

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34
Cool Spot

>>377537897
22
MGS2

>>377537897
49 Megaman X
thanks for reminding me im an old Fag asshole Just kidding, i love you

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25
Radiata Stories

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this 25

>20
>halo 2 or 3

30
Deus Ex

27
Chrono Trigger

28
Rome Total War

23
Persona 3: FES

19
REmake

>>377537897
27
Doom 2

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21

Too many vidyas
Too few steampunk vydias

21
Persona 5

>>377537897
21
Kingdom Hearts 2

18

Super Mario bros 3 aka the best Mario game.

25
Watch Dog

31
Super Mario World

>>377537897
26
LBA2

43
MVC2

29
Overwatch

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25
Freelancer

28
Mega Man X

>>377537897
>23
>garrys mod
To played game on steam garry fucking mod over 300 hours started playing it since I was 14

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>>377537897
19, Sly Cooper 2. Favorite chapter is pic related

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>>377548451

33
Star Ocean Until The End of Time

>>377537897
22
kh2fm

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>>377537897
20
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze

>>377539270
Thank you, I wholeheartedly agree save for the bosses.

29
Castlevania: SOTN

>>377548897
Underaged b&
MOOOOOOOODS

25
MGS2

28
DKC2

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27
Paper Mario on N64

Got diagnosed with leukemia and had a brain hemorrhage at 24 which paralyzed half of me and gave me epilepsy. Will be getting off chemo at 28. I've had to put most of my life on hold since then, it's been hard adjusting to chemo and antiepileptic drugs at the same time while also trying to do physical rehab.

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>chinkmoot supposedly sells user info
>here let me post my age

28
Donkey Kong Country 2

24
Dark Souls

22 Earthbound

21
SMT Nocturne

>>377537897
31
Final fantasy tactics

20
Mgs 3

>>377549103
Stay safe my brother

>>377538963
Continue

>>377537897
21
Witcher 3

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>>377549103
props for surviving, less than a year to go dude

>>377537897
19
Hitman Blood Money

>>377537897
23 FF8

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>>377537897
27
As a productive adult member of society, I don't play with children's toys.

>>377549103
proof

36
System Shock 2

>>377549203
>FLASH NEWS
>4chan/v/ is populated by early/mid-twenties males who used to play video games

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>>377537897
24
MH4U

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>>377537897
27
XCom (1994)

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20
Star fox 64
>>377549103
That's rough, keep it up buddy.

24
Oblivion

I know it's a flawed game, but fuck I love the world.

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The amount of old people in this thread is really really fun bunch of losers
If you're over 25 and are still on this board you need to get a life.

26
Body Harvest.

26
maximus painus

>>377547906
But that's just Thief 2 but worse.

>>377549952
GOOD taste

>>377550080
26 dark souls

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19
kotor

>18
>Metal Wolf Chaos

30
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat

22
Witcher 3

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>>377547302
my fucking nigger

32
FF Tactics

>>377538286
what the fuck data do you think they will get from this?

>>377550910
autism & cancer.

maybe aids.

>>377550027

21
Furi

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>>377548820
my nigga

23
TTYD

>>377539270

Well written but have to disagree. The main appeal MGS3 is the story and the whole James Bond aethestic. The Big Shell is very boring as the major setting of MGS2, and the bosses are definitely better in MGS3, you won't find many people around who'd agree with you on that point.

The best thing about MGS2 by FAR is the ending. Honestly, it elevates the game far higher than anything that came before it.

>19
>bloodborne

>>377546952

>...seriously

Nobody is surprised by that, MGS3 is widely considered to be a masterpiece and is many people's favourite game.

>>377546962

You guys pronounce aluminium like retards.

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26
TF2

>>377548234

Wow, shit taste anon. Also it's Watchdogs.

24
Wind waker, the post ganon fight wrap up and credits still make my eyes water up every time

>>377551938
>mgs3
>masterpiece
LMAO
M
A
O

19
Castlevania: Curse of Darkness

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18
Pic Related

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>>377550027
Where should us "old" people go then? Back to our 8 bit consoles and actually play vidya? You must be dreaming.

>>377538286
>thinking they don't already know everything
lol
>>377537897
23
Majora's Mask

25
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

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19
Space Station 13

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>>377552878
hi KenKen

19
Jet Set Radio Future

>>377550027

What could be better than this though?

>>377550027
I'll never understand the "if you're over x years you have to go somewhere else to discuss your hobbies" thing. I'd like to think its just mindless shitposting, but since we're on /v/, there are probably autists who really see /v/ as some kind of after high school pop-club.

23
Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinistrals

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>>377552957
Who?

22
Okami

>>377549841

You do realize that if you're browsing this board and you don't play video games then you're a sad loser, yes?

>>377537897
24
Stalker

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>>377553186
Someone I know who fits those specific numbers and game, never mind

>all these under 20 kids
>some pretentious fag unironically thinks MS2 is better than 3 by making superficial observations
>ruse fag in the thread
If I could, I'd suicide bomb this thread, since purging it would improve the quality of the board ten fold.

29
Gran Turismo 2

>>377550027

I know you think you sound clever, but all you're doing is showing your immaturity. Everyone on this board needs to get a life, son. That includes you and me.

>>377552278

Come on then hero, let's hear your favourite game.

>>377537897
20
MGS 2 or Kirby Superstar. Cant decide

>>377553469
Go to bed, Ahmed.
It's like 4 in the morning in Sandyland right now.

27

Half Life 2

>>377539270
Nice, anon. I agree. I'm amazed you didn't really mention the whole final act of the game being a rail shooter with infinite ammo. I have so many play-throughs of 3 where I just stopped after fighting Volgin in Groznyj Grad because of the total shift in gameplay.

>>377553554
Having a life and playing video games aren't mutually exclusive.
A hobby is just a hobby.

22
Streets of Rage 2

>>377550027
>over 25 is old

I remember feeling this way when I was a teen. Your mid twenties are going to sneak up on you quick anon.

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19
Silent hill 2, MGS 3

No good silent hill or MGS anymore

>>377554273

Same except I'm 29. I'd buy you a beer if I knew you.

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>>377554454
Likewise m8

>>377554032

Yes, a hobby is just a hobby, I'm talking about browsing /v/, not playing video games. I'm 29 and enjoy video games just as much as I ever have. But browsing this board is a terrific waste of time and everyone on here knows it, especially since the board has devolved into endless shitposting and morons pointlessly insulting one another.

The small amount of genuine, fun threads on /v/ no longer justifies coming here. So yes, everyone on here needs to get a life.

>>377537897
34
Panzer Dragoon 2 Zwei

>>377550106
Thief's world and lore are not even close in creativity

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>>377554598
>browsing and posting on /v/ is a terrific waste of time.
>Has posted multiple times in this thread.

>>377537897
18
super mario rpg or Smash 4 ( I do competitive smash4)

>>377547034
good ass game.

These threads are depressing. I thought all the kids would automatically join reddit these days. Go away.

22
Shin Megami Tensei

23 shovel knight

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26
Breath of Fire IV

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>>377537897
20
Sim City 4

>>377537897
27
Doom 1 and Doom 2

>>377537897
39
Persona 5

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>>377554340
thanks you konami!

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23
wargame red dragon

19
Custom Robo

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20
bloodborne
ds1 and mgs3 are very close behind though

>>377553469
>>377555453
old bitter men itt lol

23
Mother 3

Not that anybody gives a shit. I can post anything and nobody will even read this.

I went to a picnic today, came back and masturbated.

>>377539107
>the bosses are weaker than MGS2
opinion immediately disregarded

>>377558249
I read this

>>377537897

21

Super Smash Bros Melee for Nintendo Gamecube

also SMW2

>>377537897
25
fallout: NV

20
Persona 3

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>>377558249
Nice. Mother 3 is my favorite game, and I masterbaited today too.

>>377550171
why does everyones revan look the same lol

>28
>mgs1/FF8(no bully)

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>>377537897
23
Company of heroes 1

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>>377537897

27
Also MGS3

Are we ever getting a perfect remake in the new engine?

22
WC3 customs or Okami

>>377559294
I always use scar face dude

>>377537897
18
Thief: The Dark Project

21
I'm going to assume Flight Simulator X doesn't count so Ace Combat Zero.

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>46
>Battleborn

>25
>BioShock

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21

Lost Planet 2/Devil May Cry 3

>>377537897
19
Overwatch

>19
>beatmania IIDX

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>>377550027
i don't think your realize you can never leave.

>>377550027
This guy isn't wrong.

27 zoe2/nierautomata

>age
19
>favorite game
Deus Ex 1

Why is life boring and shit?

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23 Zelda II

18 (months)
Dorf fort