What the fuck happened?

It's shit

They didn't make DoW1 HD and instead opted to lock units behind a grind wall forultiplayer

it's shit

>>377532940
>Warhammer
There you go

>>377532940
warhammmer was never good

This is the target demographic they were aiming for.
They didn't want neither the DoW 1 demographic nor the DoW 2 demographic.
This is what they're left with.

>>377532940
Man I'd be happy as fuck if any of the fighting games on steam besides shit fighter V had that many players.

>>377532940
>ten times more players than battleborn

>>377532940
after you buy the game you have to grind out the things you actually want to use

gameplay is not what people wanted

>>377532940
game is too hard
too hard for kids

>>377532940
They made a moba instead of an rts. People don't buy mobas.

mobas fucking happened. I will never forgive that cancer to gaming

>>377532940
Absolutely nothing. I've began noticing /v/ have this retarded obsession with steam playercount recently. What happened?

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>>377532940
Warhammer (40k and FB/AoS) is a fanbase that goes in both extremes of very chill peeps and losers who spend too much time irrationally hating stuff they will never give a legit chance to (AoS, DoW3). The autistic ones are louder though.

The chill guy is the one that's always trying out interesting shit on the tabletop.The autist is the one complaining about balance while trying to WAAC with his shitty overpriced Monstrous units.

The chill guy gave AoS a chance which led him to realize that it doesn't suffer from WHFB's terrible balance issues, and while the game did feel a bit barebones at first rules wise, with the General's Handbook it offers a more synergy based game than WHFB. The autist noticed that change is happening, and then tried to find every little thing they could to shit on about it without ever having really played it.

The chill guy saw Angelos flipping around in DoW3, and reminisces of his 40k RPG Ogryn that with enough stats could do the same thing despite being heavier than terminator armor. The autist screeched like the loser he is, being unaware of really anything 40k except the memey shit.

The Warhammer autist is no different from the /v/ autist, hating change and hating things they have never actually experienced. One would think that since they are part of the nerd culture which only until recently was once looked down up, that they would be more open minded about something that seems outside the norm. But nope, turns out they are even more narrow minded than normies.

>>377532940
Does this remind anyone of C&C4?

>>377533608
Pretty sure brawlhalla gets numbers like those.

They gambled and lost. It's actually kinda funny watching the people who defended it and claimed it was amazing still stumble with it.

The balance is terrible, ESPECIALLY with the elites/heroes. The maps feel thrown together in a couple hours. The campaign is absolutely terrible. The entire environment, feel, sound, and direction is nothing that makes 40k what it is supposed to be, grim darkness. Cartoon graphics and no sync-kills? Space Marines aren't cannon-fodder linemen, they are the Emperor's elite. I could have accepted anything but this just wasn't it. Avoid if you like RTS or 40k.

>>377532940
>What the fuck happened?
Moba elements

Moba

>>377533992
Please be bait

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>>377533859
>overexpectant spoilt babies

Implying consumers have to eat all the shit they're dished out by devs and be happy about it.

Fucking morons

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>>377532940

They decided to make a game that catered to neither fans of 1 or 2 and then locked most content behind a grind wall. Every single decision taken in the games development was just asking for it to fail.

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>>377532940

They didn't give the longtime fans of the series anything they particularly wanted. And the direction they went to appeal to a wider audience apparently wasn't all that appealing.

A couple expansions from now, maybe this game will be worth giving a fuck about, but I'm honestly not sure that's going to happen with the how it has been received so far. I strongly feel that building on the formula established in either of the two previous games would have resulted in a much stronger entry in the series. Instead, they tried to reinvent the wheel and ended up with a mismash of lackluster ideas, with an underwhelming execution.

>>377533859
As if I need a review to influence my opinion about this game to make me not want to buy it. I've already knew it was bad when I saw the gameplay videos before the game released.

WOW you mean /v/ was right and the dumb shitters defending it aren't even playing it anymore?

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>>377532940
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

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>>377532940
It hasn't been 5 years and 4 expansions yet like with Company of Heroes 2. I'll reserve my full judgement for when it has.

>>377532940
too much sjw crap in it

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>>377532940
i dont think will run in my vista and its not out for xbox one so im not buying it

like i might play a warhammer if i have nothing else but the whole marines vs orcs thing is just so boring to me, there´s nothing drama like in Halo or no sexy shit like in GTAs, also the music is all orchestrals and nothing fun


Guardians of Galaxy videogame would be so good

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>>377534039
>Space Marines aren't cannon-fodder linemen, they are the Emperor's elite

Get the fuck out of the way, abhuman freaks.

>>377533968
woah I'm #relicbro now

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>>377534380
oh look. It's THAT picture again...

>>377534380
Spot on

>>377534380
i actually really liked dark crusade

>>377533859
>I DIDN'T WASTE 60$$!!! SHUT UP STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!

>>377532940
They made Dawn of War 1 2.0 instead of Dawn of War 2 2.0

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Fuck you guys. Everyone of you pretends to be RTS fans, but all you do is masturbate to your ten year old RTS games without really giving a shit about whats new. Starcraft 2 fixed its initial match-up problems that it had back in WOL. Did you guys come back to play? Nope. Company Of Heroes 2 removed its dumb shit, and is now far more balanced and has match-ups with more than just the main two factions thus being better than COH1 in every way. Did you guys care? Nope. Dawn Of War 3 tried something completely different with the RTS genre with insane amount of individual unit customization through doctrines, a totally different strategic pacing/approach required to achieve goals, and bringing another fresh role for buildings in an RTS. Did you guys like the most recent game with potential to revive the genre? Nope.

You guys aren't actual RTS fans, just nostalgia fags dickriding the same old games from the early-mid 2000s. Feel free to pretend to be actual RTS fans if the delusion helps make you feel better, but in reality your pretensions are only cancer to the genre. So maybe it's better if you kill yourselves.

>>377534359
Thought the game looked like garbage from the get go but I decided I'd give it a try during beta
30 minutes in when all my troops were killed by a LE EPIC ARCANE STORM FROM ELDAR is when I uninstalled, even though my team was winning. The game felt unfun as Fuck

>>377534507
Maybe release the game without needing to fix anything and they'll like it

>>377534302
Why is there a lone Sister of Battle among the marines? Or is that supposed to be some Fulgrim impersonator?

>>377534502
no they didn't. They made Warhammer 40K: The MOBA

>>377534221
You never said good fighting game.

>>377532940
no waifus to attract the braindead market
actually requires thinking, something you dont require in most games, or should say, "interactive movies"
personally I think it should be 40$ bucks not 60$

>>377534507

SC2's problems go fucking deep and have never been fixed. It's almost unique in having a really high barrier to entry/skill floor but a surprisingly low skill ceiling that makes it frustrating and boring to play at higher levels. It's a complete failure of a game.

>>377534494
DC was trash

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>>377534446
this is THAT picture

I bet if I had a 10 minute chat with a RELIC RTS dev they wouldn't be able to tell me the most basic mechanics of how an RTS works.

It's really obvious from the design of the game it was over-designed bullshit. I could probably break it down extremely clearly why the game is shit and they are fuckheads. Stupid trash, hope they all get fired soon and die.

>>377532940
tried to pander to sjw by making it full of "strong wyman"

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>>377532940

No sexy race.

>>377534378
/v/ was terribly, terribly wrong about both CoH2 and DoW2. I remember /v/ claiming it'll die and make Relic bankrupt for both of those games and yet you have loads of people here and outside claiming both are better than their predecessors now.

>>377534702
say that to my face

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>>377533968
>post that manages to be cringe inducing and condescending at the same time

Excellent bait.

>>377532985
fpbp

>>377534502
>DoW 3 anything like DoW 1

I hate you

>>377534729
that's soulstorm

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>>377534729
>REEEEE MUH SJW BOOGIMEAN REEE WOMENS IS KILLING VIDEO GAMES
Fuck off /pol/

>>377534724
I think images like these are contrived from the Japanese dev fans on /v/ to try to convert all of /v/ to a Japanese game onry paradise rather than even allowing anyone to like any western games

And here I thought that those numbers were good, as judged by Battleborn numbers being a 10th of this amount

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>wanted to like DoW3 in beta
>came away ultimately disappointed
++Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment++

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>>377534616

Tyranids were running around a star system doing their thing. SoB were being fucking useless pieces of shit, as always. Flesh Tearers came in to save the motherfucking day.

>>377534724
that explains the sudden sjw turn with 3

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At least they nailed the Orks.

>>377534775
DoW 2 was actual garbage but it appealed to casuals. As an rts it was a 4/10, but it at least had graphics, lore, etc that made it okay. I played DoW 2 longer than DoW 3 which just shows how bad doW 3 is.

DoW 2 suffered from a lot of bad design decisions but again, was okay for bad players.

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>>377534409
>Implying the Scions wouldn't be ground to paste under any marine's boot heel

>>377534827
Someone, somewhere is actually THIS retarded

>>377534924
>okay for bad players
>I can't manage to catch retreating units

>>377534827
no that actually made sense.
what doens´t make sense why all the eldar heroes need to be female and why space marines need a "strong wyman" knight

>>377533657
Battleborn is 10 times shittier so its proportionate

But this game isnt very good, unfuckingfortunately

>>377534924
>okay for bad players
I don't have an anime girl smug enough for a post this wrong.

>>377535004
The problems with DoW 2 don't matter if you have 30 APM, which is the majority of western RTS players.

>>377534860
you should go to reddit dude they love Rick and Morty plus love sucking giant sjw cocks like the faggots that they are

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>All we can hope for is for an Apocalypse style DoW3 mod to save the day

>>377534885

It's Battleborn. Any number could be better than Battleborn. That's not a good thing to compare it to.

For comparison, Stellaris and Europa Universalis 4 have around 20k and 18k players right now. EU4 came out in 2013 and I'd hazard a guess that both of those games combined have a smaller budget than DoW3

>>377535126
Those games are just singleplayer comp stomps, no shit casuals will flock to them.

>>377533968
There is some truth to what the autists are saying. The lack of content and genuinely broken balance isnt doing this game any favors

They should have delayed it another month it released half baked

>>377535012
>it's ok to make an SJW faction because it's in muh lore

>>377535113
Hello /pol/

Why can't GW realize the potential of their IP?

Just license the IP to big-name studios and practice strict quality control. How fucking hard can that be?

>>377534924
You've clearly never played DoW2 at high level. The micro and depth of knowledge required of how the game functions takes hundreds of hours to master properly, along with masterful timing to pull off some of the combos some top players do. Stuff you could never do in DoW1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNqgRx8aLsI

>>377535272
Hello Redit scum

>>377535291
Which big studios could they have given this to?

The only big studio that stil makes RTS is blizzard and they sure as hell wont work with games workshop

Relic is probably the next biggest RTS studio already

>>377534737
>sexy

Lol

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DLC's already ANNOUNCED!

I am kind of hyped here, bros!

>>377535397
I honestly had so much fun with DoW2's mp. Wish it was still alive.

>>377534507
I'm not one of these fags complaining and I have to agree with your post. SC2 was super nice with the LOTV expansions and all the changes that were being made, I bought it day 1 and saw Blizzard actually attempting to get their shit together. But people just find anything to complain about and are butthurt about the story written by that senile old fuck Metzen who left anyway, instead of caring about multiplayer which is what Starcraft always was about.

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>>377535270
You are just too autistic to think about the good parts of the game and only notice things that frustrate you. Nothing wrong with that and I would recommend 4x games and grand strategy to autists like you.

I'll break down some basics of why RTS devs suck shit.

1. Most are shit at RTS. I'd be shocked if a single person at relic had over 90 apm. Majority of devs who work on RTS design are not RTS players or hate the genre.

2. They don't understand why people play RTS. This is really exemplified by the focus on micro multitask. For instance "Oh man, people really hate base management, better give them 5 battles around the map to micro at once". What you should do. Is just give one of your 40 APM shitter employees a 8 hour "fun test" of microing 5 battles at once. They will quit. Noob shitters don't like to micro 5 different battles at once. It's not fun, even the best RTS players in the world manage maybe 2-3 fights at once.

Now, what did dow devs do? Make the entire game about microing as many different units at once, while removing base building, the one aspect of RTS that noobs love.


Basically every design decision they make is off wrong and bad assumptions. They should prototype this shit out and test it. Then they would realize they are low IQ animals with no brains and no idea what RTS is about.

>>377534924
>appealed to casuals

Confirmed for not knowing shit about anything

>>377535526
I really like necrons, but even they wont make me buy this game

>>377535526

They already teased Necrons in the end cinematic.

That being said I'm not going to put more money into this game until they fix the glaring issues this game has. Lets return in two years.

>>377535548
New version of Elite
Coming shortly

Even if you did enjoy the game, theres no real point to playing the game right now. Skulls are useless once you buy all the important options, who really gives a shit about skins when everything is the size of a fucking snail, no ladder yet, and games are either 10 minutes of rape before surrender or or 30-40 minute long dragged out spamfests of the same tier 1 or tier 3 units + some knights.

>>377535397
omg man that was insane skill!

stupid fucktard

>>377532940
it's shit

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>>377532940
Removed the fun parts - Sync-kills, different mechanics to influence battles (morale, cover, etc.), good voice work that drives the blood back to your dick, good maps. Instead we got an APM increase, thanks to everything dying so fast and the metric fuckton of skills. And the official forums are terrible as usual, same 20 guys masturbating furiously in a circle, throwing their buckets of shit at anyone that thinks that the game is not fun/flawed.

They want it to be an "esport', but fail to realize that there's no casual audience for it.

>>377535680
Nice argument faggotron

>>377535616
yeah, it was the big esport of it's time . So many viewers and pro games

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>>377535642
Yeah that sounds great but I can *NEVER* find a match in Elite. I'm not high skill enough to play with the few who do still play. ~600 players daily avg is pretty abysmal.

>>377535520
I didn't mean specifically DoW, but the IP as a whole. They keep whoring it out like a two-bit slut to everyone that asks, and as a result we have mobile shit and utter trash shovelware 40k games.

>>377535747
>because the easy to use abilities have cool animations it means it's high skill

>>377535803
Are you clinically retarded? DOW2 was niche as fuck casuals were flocking to starcraft you fucking mongoloid

>>377532940
It wasn't DoW1 with new paint.

>>377535910
>niche
>casuals
popularity has nothing to do with skill cap or how good a game is.

SC2 was 6/10 but still far better of an RTS than DOW2

>>377535865
Thats true in general

The relic warhammer games actually were one of the few that had a high level of quality in comparison to everything else with the 40k license

>>377535871
>easy to use abilities

Again, it's painfully obvious you've never played DoW2 multiplayer

At least we'll always have this trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ZgyNoHtjw

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>>377535920

THIS.

I would have gone so far and even excepted the massive cuckholder that was Dawn of War 2, but Dawn of War 3 isn't even DoW anymore.

Its just a Moba.

>>377536028
That's because they were made when they still had a very strict approach to licensing and quality control. The change to their policies is a pretty recent one.

>>377535865

AAA game companies very rarely make games for franchises they don't own.

>>377534507
Why not release a good game right away instead of fixing it 5 years later?

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>>377536092
>That slaaneshi whore
>A commissar of the Imperial Guard

>>377536040
I played enough. Was skill capped pretty much to begin with. Note: I obviously did not play a huge amount of games because the game itself was trash shit. The main meta when I played the beta was to get the jump pack marines for space marines and basically spam jump on enemies and control entire map. This was fucking basic and simple bullshit. Literally just cycle through each unit, use ability off CD, and control map.

The other one I played was the eldar warp spider strat which was about blinking off all CD and abusing the mobility.

Yes, I did play 1v1 and was skill capped at the very beginning. I even challenged anyone on /v/ at the time and never lost.

The game is piss fucking easy for a mediocre RTS player with good mechanics.

You are literally a fucking monkey shit brain so it's going to be hard to converse with you.

>>377536164
It takes many years to figure out what is wrong and polish the game to make it. How fucking retarded are you not to understand that?

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>no Imperial Guard
>only 3 factions
>MOBA shit
>terrible voice acting

What the hell were they thinking? They just had to release DoW 1 with update graphics and more units again.

>>377536164
This.
Especially when there are so many games coming out nowadays, nobody would bother to come back.

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>>377535291

So GW will pretty much rent out their IP to anyone who asks, and they stipulate that they get a cut of the profit made.

For shitty no-name devs (like Streum On, Tindalos or Fatshark), this is acceptable, because you're getting a ready made universe complete with brand recognition (to make up for your studio having none).

For an actual AAA developer with tons of money and fans, there is no reason to give up part of your profit just so you can use Space Marines and Orks. You have enough writers and designers that you can come up with your own setting, and enough of a following that people will buy your game just because it's from a dev they "trust".

>>377536040
DoW2 MP was very bland and simple. It's got the basics but only that of an RTS. Lacks the depth and the time frames that make strategies viable.

I played it recently again and it's also unbalanced as fuck. THEN i read about the Elite Mod and why it's almost imperative to have.

The good Relic is Blackbird interactive now.

>>377534380
this thing gets me every fucking time

>soulstorm
>better than dark crusade

AYYYYYYY

>>377536404
>NPC faction
>enough races to have a balanced game
>professional voice acting
You just confirmed you are A U T I S T I C.
Better kill yourself and save everyone the trouble to tolerating your idiocy.

>>377536164
because you can sell updates, and because it's not that easy to get it right the first time anyway.
it took them until retribution before DoW2 was good anyway

>>377536632
It took them patch 1.4.

>>377536606
>enough races to have a balanced game

Then why isn't it?

>>377536390
>takes many years to figure out what is wrong and polish the game to make it

Of fucking course not
OF FOOKING COURSE NOT, RELIC ENTERTAINMENT MAN

It's bad design to the core. "The Core". Get it?

>>377536586
yeah the balance was atrocious

also the devs even said "Starcraft is too tiring, we want DoW 2 to be simple and relaxing". Like the fucking lead designer said he hated RTS in an interview and DoW 2 was supposed to be easy.

Yet dumb fucking monkey shitfucks on /v talk about how it was the epitome of skill and talk RTS.

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>>377532940
No Chaos, no buy. No Imperial Guard, no buy. No Mechanicum, no buy.

>>377532940
They decided they wanted to make MOBA-shit.

>>377536327
>I played enough
>yeah but I didn't play a huge amount of games
>I challenged some dudes from /v/ though!
>fucking monkey shit brain

Drooling retard confirmed. The 'meta' and strategies you describe are also so painfully fucking basic that they're manageable by anybody with even the most minimal grasp on the game's mechanics.

You're welcome to come 1v1 me now though, since you're obviously an RTS grandmaster with unbeatable strategies like 'spam jump on enemies and control entire map'

>>377536589
admit it, the only reason you think DC is better is because of the campaign map which is actually better, but soulstorm is better in every other way

>>377536825
1v1 me in broodwar kiddo

>>377536802
>Mechanicum
This is not a Horus Heresy game.

>>377534263
all the had to do was release a couple of non-power core maps and literally half the screeching vanishes

also a game mode where 1 elite is chosen in advance like dow2 heroes would be nice, you should be able to opt out of the moba shit

>>377532940
civ vi targeting aka we need dudebros, not old fans. that's what you get.

>>377536589

DoW1: Vanilla
Classic squad based RTS game utilizing cover with a heavy focus on map control, agression and micromanagment. A solid game, had some balance problems and hickups along the way but most of it got ironed out throught the games lifespan.

Winter Assault
Released in a very poor rushed out state, game was clearly unfinished, was extremly buggy with units shooting in melee and various other game breaking glitches. Not bad when Relic got round to fixing it though.

Dark Crusade
HORRIBLE game, some of the worst balance in any RTS game to date, random changes for no rhyme or reason, extremly buggy, was absolutley hated by the community, fire on the move bug crippled the game and online was plagued with connection problems that would drop people from games mid match and rampant hacking. Relic promised a patch was coming but it never happened.

Soulstorm
Fixed many of the broblems with DC, saved the DoW1 community which was on its deathbed after the mess that was DC, had a few minor problems on launch but not as bad as WA or DC and they were patched out with updates, best balance out of all the DoW games. Still has an active community that plays the game regularly online stood the test of time, great game.

>>377536794
>Starcraft is too tiring, we want DoW 2 to be simple and relaxing". Like the fucking lead designer said he hated RTS in an interview and DoW 2 was supposed to be easy.

AW SHIT I REMEMBER THAT

Everyone that was competent at Relic left years ago.

>>377536825
not that faggot but
>1v1 in a dawn of war game
top kek, dawn of war is best with at least 6 players, whether that's ffa, 2v2v2, 3v3, or whatever. it's a gigantic army combat game, not fucking starcraft, you autist.

>>377536794
>Yet dumb fucking monkey shitfucks on /v talk about how it was the epitome of skill and talk RTS.

To be fair the creators intent isnt always perfectly reflected in a game

Look at smash bros melee, the creator itself said its supposed to be a fun party game, but yet it has a super deep skill ceiling, even if it only exists by accident.

>>377536982
how did they go from DoW 1 design to literally shit Dow 2 then to a failure of DoW3.

I don't understand it. The fucking dev of DoW 2 hated DoW 1

>>377536926
Fuck you I want Skitarii. They are in the tabletop now, therefore they can be in the games.

>>377537041
>it's a gigantic army combat game

Stick to high rez 10 min pls no rush games lad

>>377537085
Mechanicum was the name the cogboys used during the Heresy. It's Adeptus MechanicuS in the 41st millenium.

>>377536926
>He doesn't know about the new Ad Mech force
It's called "Skitarii".

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>>377537112
>no rush
sorry, not a casual like you are, trying to play 1v1 dawn of war lmao

>>377532940
ITS A FUCKING MOBA

>>377537085
Mechanicum and Adeptus Mechanicus are two different things though.

And with 8th coming along, Skiitarii and the rest will be folded into the AdMech faction.

Now with that said the current gameplay in DoW 3 would fit a Horus Heresy game pretty well

>>377537070
I think DoW 2 was a hit and they thought they could perfect it.
The old case of trying to fish a bigger audience while alienating your old one.

>>377536950
>civ
>dudebros
Why on earth dudebros would play Civ?

>>377537221
The idea of Dow was interesting

Capture points, reinforcements, squad customization, etc

DoW 1 was a great first step. Then they just decided, naw fuck it, tactical game only. etc

They just constantly fuck themselves with their over-design.

They could have just refined DoW 1 gameplay in DoW 2. It would have been great. The secret is people like building shit in RTS, I don't understand why they decided buildings are the problem.

>>377537284
why do you care so much about admech/skitarii when there is something much better that has only been touched on by UA: LEGIO TITANICUS

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>>377536589
This. Soul storm was by far the weakest of the 4

>>377537395
They removed base building because it does not fit into the universe. Overall, they wanted DoW 2 to be more faithful to the tabletop game.

>>377537395
>The secret is people like building shit in RTS

If I wanted to play a city builder I'd go play RCT or SimCity. Basebuilding has no place in the 40k universe. I don't play 40k to sit in my base and turtle like a bitch, I play it for the combat, since that's all anybody does in 40k: kill and maim eachother, which is exactly what DoW2 got right.

>>377537181
You are right, and I apologise for swearing at you. Got the new and old terms confused. Still, I would like to see them in game.

>>377537284
You are correct too, and having any game set in the HH would be amazing as long as the makers were competent.

>>377536586
Yo didn't even begin to describe how it is "simple and bland". It's like you played it for 5 minutes and then quit mid match which is exactly the same kind of shitters who played multiplayer for the 1st time.

>>377537395
Base building is fucking gay as hell. Not saying it shouldnt be in but focusing on actual combat suring the game instead of sitting in your base for 30 minutes building is way more fun

Changing the old formula always works guys.

Lets post some great examples:

>Command & Conquer 4

>Civ 6

>Heroes of Might and Magic 7

>Diablo 3

>>377537629
you forgot
>RE4
>Metroid Prime
>D44M

>>377537629
C&C4 DOES NOT EXIST

>>377537424
Those are different things altogether. I don't really care either way, but Titans would make for seriously boring turtling gameplay.

Its not like there are so many Titans variants, and DoW is not SupCom.
>>377537601
Well having the gameplay contain plenty of hero units really works in that sense. Just replace Gabe with his Primarch. Or don't, Magnus OP, pls nerf

All they needed to do was take dow2, remove the rpg elements and increase the scale.

Wa WARGAME: 40k would have been a perfect RTS. Instead we got 20 year old RTS mechanics and didn't even understand HOW those mechanics were meant to work.

Its like if we ended up getting witcher 4 but it was a jrpg style game that didn't allow you to chose abilities

>>377537596
What a shitty fucking opinion.
People loved doing shit in RTS that didn't involve just throwing armies around. Why the fuck you think Warcraft and AOE survived that long.

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>>377534860

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>>377536589

>>377537713
Remember that Magnus did nothing wrong, and that if GEoM had just taken the time to listen to him, everything would be better.

>>377532940
Executive meddling happened.
>make it as accessible as possible
>make it include all these popular tropes that have fucking nothing to do with WH40k or RTS or the DoW series
This is the result. It's like EA got their hands on it, but EA is not the only Evil Alliance in the business, not by a long shot.

They went for the MOBA/E-sports audience and failed.

>>377537889
>mcdonalds: 99 billion served
>jiro sushi: 150,000 served

damn such quality

>>377537936
>Magnus did nothing wrong
>Sent out a psychic "DAD! DAD! YOU GOTTA HEAR THIS!" that rattled the minds of everyone present and ripped open a warp portal that flooded the temple with daemons

i liked dow2 better than one. the hero centric squads and shit in the single player.

>inb4 but my 2752 squads of minatures dow1

>>377535805
I hear that
>get online: 3 matches
>3v3 AI compstomp Annihilate (4/6)
>3v3 No Noobs 40+ (3/6)
>TFFA all welcome (5/6)
TFFA gets boring all the time

>>377537824
Yes, because Warcraft and AOE are set in the 40k universe right, you bumbling imbecile? Dawn of War 1 didn't even have great basebuilding. Nobody built minefields, heavy bolter turrets were only ever used in T1 rushes and became useless past T2. The game didn't even have proper collision detection or true line of sight; features which all existed in a much better RTS that came out nearly 10 years before it, called Total Annihilation. Basebuilding, placement defensive structures and how you actually built your base mattered. None of that matters in DoW1

Look where that retarded line of thinking has got us now. People screamed for base building to be put back in and the devs treated it like some feature they had to check off a list to appease autists like you, and look what happened. DoW3, lmao

>>377537936
>>377538138
Eh, the Emperor should have explained more, Magnus should not have thrown a tantrum, Russ should have been told that rampant hatred of psykers is a stupid thing to do when your own father is one.

Plenty of people made mistakes. But this would not be the setting it is without those.

On the other hand, Russ was right, the World Wolf Spirit is totally benevolent, becoming a werewolf is the thing to do, and the Space Wolves literally know more about sorcery than the dedicated sorceres. Who knows anymore. Also, purified Khorne Axe.

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>>377536589
>Shit crusade
>Better than Soulstorm

1/10 made me reply

>>377537889
Soulstorm is merely the lastest iteration of Dawn of War. The current player base does not mean it's better but has the latest updates and balancing for " competitive " play.

The Dark Crusade campaign was really good and Soulstorm was gay

Its gonna get 2 expansions and be good just like the other games

>>377538241
It doesn't matter what universe it is you retard. People enjoy some gameplay aspects involved in the genre this game was settled in.
Putting base building means nothing if it's not a good system to play with. People wanted an improved DOW 1. They got some retarded genetic mutated gender fluid between a moba,dow 1 and dow 2.

>>377538474
I sure hope so.

>>377538138
What would have happened if he had listened to his son instead of freaking out about a few daemons? The entire HH would have changed, and Horus would most likely have been utterly destroyed.

>>377538380
Fuck every single word of your last 3 sentences.

>>377535526
Those are just skins you retard.

Game didn't sell for shit and a lot of people hate it. It wouldn't make any financial sense to invest seriously into the game more.

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Why are so many gaming devs/publishers so bad at PR?

You have a game based around a major IP, by one of the (former) giants of the genre. It's published by a massive publisher and most likely had a larger budget than nearly any other recent game of the same genre. It tanks on release with no sign of stopping soon. Half of the people that still play the game are unhappy and spend more time arguing with the few people that do like the game than actually playing the game itself. The people behind the game can't just walk away from it because they have resources and manpower already invested in DLC that may not have been planned for release for a year or more. Therefore they're stuck with a game that isn't selling and projections for DLC sales are not good.

And they aren't doing shit about it. No big promotions, sales, free content, DLC announcements, etc. A few bucks thrown at streamers to promote it at most? Small updates here and there? If a retail store or restaurant opened this poorly there would likely be a huge hustle to change things asap. SEGA just seems content to let this pig bleed out.

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>>377538241
Yeah, base building is what ruined this game lel.

>>377537596
>Basebuilding has no place in the 40k universe
GW has been shilling terrain for years

>>377538558
>People wanted an improved DOW 1
You did. Not everyone.

>>377538473
SS is objectively a better game than dc

>>377537312
Don't ask us, ask rerards who made VI.

>>377538607
What if Fulgrim hadn't already been corrupted when Eldrad warned him?

We can throw around what ifs all we like, but it doesn't change what happened.

>>377538241
AOE is part of the Halo universe.

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>>377534616
It's an edit. She's not there in the actual art.
>>377534905 is just jerking your chain though everything in his post is correct. FT best.

>>377538652
>Terrain is the same as forward bases where troops are trained and/or requisitioned in and new technologies are researched in

>>377538474
>>377538572

lol don't think so. it's dead anon. nobody bought the game. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they didn't even manage to recoup production costs.

>>377538662
Did you read the word "everyone" ? Idiot.

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I just want supreme commander 40k

>>377537085
>>377537185

AdMech fans really are the new SoB fans - just contrarians who like the "alternative" faction so they're not part of the mainstream.

>>377534507
I mean you can say all that shit about DOW3 but different/new doesn`t make it good. All those ideas are ass and the game is boring as fuck and repetitive. Clearly nobody fucking likes it so what`s your point.

Next you`ll tell me supreme commander 2 and C&C4 weren`t massive downgrades through and through. Neck yourself shill

I played CoH2 even when it was supposedly shit and I`ve always hated starcraft since I was a kid, take that as you will

>>377533982

Most of this board, myself included, pretends C&C4 doesn't exist, so that's why you got no replies.

>>377538607
Now now, don't you know that using the proper runes and rituals with the help of a world spirit that is obviously not a daemon, purifying Chaos is completely possible.

Russ should have been the one to fight Horus on the Vengeful Spirit. This way he would have purified Horus, set his ass onto the Goldent Throne to repent, and would have lead the Imperium into glory as the new Warmaster.

Also, everything you know about the fight aboard the Vengeful Spirit will be retconned. Prepare for the return of Sanguinius, super space vampires Blood Angels, and much more.

>>377538943
I don't need to, you are retarded enough to want a remastered game.

>>377535397
You are so far up your own ass I`d need a sherpa to find you

>>377537185
>>377538989
skitarii arent even new though, lorewise
SoB actually were contrarians though

>>377538989
Well they have shiny new models. Some of them are pretty nice too. And 8th edition will support the army even more, when SoB receives none (and will not receive any more)

Has there even been any game that flopped as hard as DoW3 in recent years?

We are talking about a AAA sequel game from a huge franchise that only has 1/25th of it's playerbase remaining after only 3 weeks. Im pretty sure the game only hit the top of steam top seller list for like a single day.

Shit like this would sink a smaller company. Heads should be rolling over at Relic/Sega right now.

>>377532940
What Warhammer game is actually good?

>>377532940
they thought doing 1 month balance patches even for game breaking bugs was good. then their first balance patch didnt even fix shit.

>>377538925
They've already teased Necron and Chaos in the campaign along with some unit in the editor. What makes you think it doesn't?

>>377538662
dow1 base building was minimally acceptable, maybe they thought the base building would be better than an 11 year old game

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>>377535397
Is this a joke? Are you being ironic? Half of these are just a warcraft 3 hero running in with an aoe stun and then mashing ultimate. How the fuck is this HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF MICRO, DEPTH AND MATCHUP KNOWLEDGE.

>>377538984
asking for another supcom is like asking for another planetary annihilation. then toss in 40k and enjoy another eternal crusade fuck up.

>>377532940
All the shills couldn't keep the game afloat when it was obvious to everyone it was a disaster

>>377533982
yea its basically the exact same game now that you mention it, which is insane because that game is a historically catastrophic bomb

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>>377539872
> tfw planetary annihilation was my first and only early access game

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>>377539495
>Well they have shiny new models

Jesus Christ, people like you are the reason GW gets away with it.

>GW jews release two fucking books, one for skitarii and one for AdMech
>barely enough units in both of them combined to to justify a single codex, let alone splitting them
>contrarian faggots eat that shit up, claim the army they've always been fans of is finally getting the support they deserve

Meanwhile every SM/Necron/Eldar/Tau/etc player with half a fucking brain is wondering where the fuck your standards went.

>>377536982
>this autistic that you post the same shit every fucking thread

>>377538241
>heavy bolter turrets were only ever used in T1 rushes and became useless past T2
that's funny, i play UA and i supplement my PLASMA CANNON TURRETS with earthshaker emplacements that are effective up to tier 5

>>377540039
Same here. Only thing I ever backed on Kickstarter. Never a-fucking-gain.
I was so fucking hype and they crushed my soul

>>377534860
>gif of family guy:reddit edition
>faggot memes

Kill yourself nigger.

>>377532940
Nobody wants to play traditional RTS in 2017.

They should have just made DoW2.5 and called it a day

>>377540039
>>377540261
So I take it I shouldn't buy the Titans standalone? How badly did they fuck up the singleplayer galactic war thing they were going for?

>>377539872
just don't let any ex-cavedog guys near it and it may turn out good

>>377540352
But they did

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>>377540350

>>377540478
Except not at all.

>>377539717
I don't believe base building is at all a good mechanic in such a game. It makes some sense in the campaign, but other than that its just skirmishes.

But this just makes the game even harder to design. Wargames are not all that successful, and the disparity in the armies' gameplay makes it a pain to balance.

>>377540076
Whoa there, I'm not saying its the right thing to do. Just that there's a reason why they are drawn to it.

I don't even collect models because I live in the ass end of nowhere and pricing would be even worse than Australia. Also, barely any player.

>>377540478
underage detected. DoW3 is nothing like 2.

>>377534724
>And you better be smiling when we take that picture or we're cutting your bonus

>>377540613
Both of them are dumbed down shit aimed at casuals

>>377540415
Dunno, I got Titans for free for being a backer but I never bothered actually playing it. Back on original release the game ran like shit, crashed all the time, they promised multiple factions but only made one which is super fucking boring to me. Titans added a lot of cool shit and the game had some fun ass gimmicks like being able to turn metal planets into death stars or building engines on the moon. Galactic war is alright. If it's like under 10 bucks it might be worth checking out if you're really starved for some rts. Forever mirror matching and the goofy aesthetic really killed me though

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>>377540478
DoW II fag here not the guy you replied to but yeah no I wouldn't touch that game with a 50 foot pole. Fuck off it's neither Dow 1 or 2 like it's its own thing and it's completely shit, just because you don't like more micro based squad management doesn't mean DoW II was a bad game, you like grand scale and that's okay I don't like that shit but I respect DoW I as a game but DoW III is not a respectable game

>>377534724
>I could probably break it down extremely clearly why the game is shit
Well do it then. Without using MOBA as a catch all criticism.

>>377540352
>They should have just made DoW2.5 and called it a day
They never would've received funding for it. DoW 2 sold poorly compared to DoW 1.

>>377538989
How about you repeatedly self-fellate yourself until you break your spine you pitiable idiot?
If I wanted to be godsdamned contrarian I would pick Q'Orl as a race, because advanced space spiders is cool to me.

>>377538984
Was this after the new Spore reveal with all the cut content?

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>>377532940
Post YFW steam score just dropped from 56 to 55.

>>377534724
wtf is that thing (2nd on the left, 2nd row) What gender(s) is it?

>>377532940
That's a pretty decent amount of people playing. Quit complaining.

>>377540589
My brother collects 40k IG Tanks. If I recall correctly, it costs him $60 a Leman Russ, $80-$100 for a Baneblade, and he want some speciality stuff which is even more.
He doesn't even play TT

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>>377540839

>get called out for being a pathetic hipster faggot
>can't handle it

>>377532940
>No ranked queue
>In a game built for multiplayer

why do you think?

>>377541409
lol, that's babby tier, a forgeworld titan is several thousand dollars

>>377541409
if he likes painting/modelling why doesnt he provide a painting service? So long as he is decent of course

>>377540782
>>377540782
That would take effort. I think all of the problems are pretty evident to any casual player.

The core most thing is the over-design though. Everything is over-designed.

>>377540749
If the Eldar are supposed to be this super nimble and agile superior race how come that Dreadnought managed to grab one?

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>>377541405
are you insane?
Total war warhammer is a year old and has 11k playing right now
Company of heroes 2 is several years old and is considered a dead in the water piece of shit and has 5.5k players on right now

>>377541409
Nothing wrong with being a collector. Its just that shipping here is retarded expensive.
>>377541707
Those are Drukhari that is, Dark Eldars. And Dreadnought are fairly fast and nimble too

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>>377541476
I was a hipster before it was cool

>>377541576
He would buy one if he had the money. He would do it in less than the time it takes to shitpost.

>>377541607
He's not particularly good at painting and we live in Australia. The closest store for us is in Perth, so only really dedicated people do it and they don't need help.

>>377542058
>Dreadnought are fairly fast and nimble too
Can they do karate?

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>>377542184
Well no, because there is no chapter specialized in martial arts.

On the other hand, maybe this one could

To elaborate. Let's look at gameflow. DoW 3 is garbage shit at gameflow.

Starcraft 1 gameflow - mine minerals, mineral only buildings, low tech, get gas, opens up more advanced units, etc. There is a flow to things. You branch down a tech tree and everything is contained.

For instance, make barracks, all infantry are inside. Once barracks is done you can make engineering bay which has upgrades for it, etc.

There is a seeming flow to the gameplay in terms of minerals -> refinery -> gas and how teching up works. Things are contained in the correct buildings, bio units in barracks, mech units in factory, etc.

Now just look at the chaos flow of DoW 3. Phases, 3 different point types, buildings are nonsensical with some having some infantry types, the main having some, etc.

Nothing is well designed or creates any sort of natural flow progression. All the choices are "flat" instead of in a proper tree with it flowing logically.

Not to mention the random other shit involved. Basically there is no flow to anything. there is no logical design that you as a player can see. Not to mention lategame the big unit kills an army of half the choices. etc

It's dogshit.

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>>377542495
>reddit spacing for every single motherfucking line

>>377542495
Just like the tabletop then.

Seriously though, a Knight or a Wraithlord killing an army of infantry units makes complete sense. And they did not even had Stomp.

>>377542625
Only a redditor knows what reddit 'spacing' is.
Your post, your image and your filename all scream plebbit but you have the nerve to tell someone else to 'go back'?

kill yourself you imbecile

>>377532940
Warhammer 40k games after DoW were cursed by gypsies so that they may only be mediocre financial failures.

t. gypsy wizard

>>377542816
>Only a redditor knows what reddit 'spacing' is.

There is no such thing as "reddit spacing", it's a dumb fucking meme.

Stop responding to bait.

>>377542625
You have the capability of doing many things, and yet you greentext without any form of capitalisation, an unnecessary new line and a really shitty regurgitated meme image.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>377536515
>shitty devs
>Fatshark
Nigger what

>>377538080
>Food analogy
Right on cue!!

>>377543240
I agree dude.

Reddit spacing is a meme, not true at all.

/v/ is full of idiots am I right.

Remember, it's just bait.

.

>>377543358

You heard me. Lead & Gold was the last good game they made and the lack of support killed it.

>>377532940
so what is currently happening in the 40k universe? ultra primarch is back, what else?

>>377543715
guillimarines

>>377543715
Read this
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/16/new-warhammer-40000-the-dark-imperium-may16gw-homepage-post-4/
and this
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/a-new-breed-of-hero-may15gw-homepage-post-1/

Then look around the site for the rest.

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>>377543769

Does anyone else want to have Ahriman return to the Imperium to redeem the Thousand Sons?

>>377544458
I'm not convinced Ahriman can redeem them. He's far too deep into sorcery.

>>377542625
What the fuck does reddit spacing even mean? I've been away on /m/ for a long time and now I come back to /v/ and I see reddit spacing spammed every single thread.

Is that just what we call formatting now? Making your posts readable is reddit spacing? Every time I see a screenshot of reddit im fucking lost as to how anyone browses that shit or reads anything or finds the fucking posts so surely it can't be that

>>377545002
on reddit you have to double space or your post runs all together on one line for some reason

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I knew there was something fucky going on when I saw the noodle leg marines in the trailer.

>tfw DoW is a dead franchise after this

>>377544818
The funny thing is, as far as I can tell, Ahriman hasn't been corrupted by Chaos yet. Sure, most of his closest allies have, but he hasn't. Imagine if he got into the Black Library (with some assistance of course) learnt how to free his lost brothers and brought them to the frontline of a new war, at full force.

Wouldn't it be epic?

>>377545002
>>377545145
That's retarded, I've been formatting my posts like that since before /tg/ even fucking existed.

I guess spergs gonna sperg though.

>>377545145
One of these days someone is going to associate speaking english with being a redditor and I swear this board will just invent some cryptic retard babble just to save face

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>>377545553
>2020
>Splergin' "English"
>Shiggle Diggle Doo

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>>377545369
I believe his features are described to be perpetually changing, but I might be mistaking him for the Changeling. Still that sounds really Tzeentchian to me. Plus he makes constant use of sorcery and is closely followed by his patron god.

He is Byronic, sure. Not sure if that could suffice to lead him on the path to redemption.

And with the way the Space Wolves are being described as right in everything even when they literally field mutants, that's not going to happen.

>>377545553
Time to start learning German. Become one with the bizarre robot engineering masters.

>>377546019
Ahriman is constantly followed by Tzeentch, but he is not an agent. He is an anomaly and merely has events orchestrated by himself while everyone else suffers if they get in the way.
The Changeling tried fucking up one of his plans, by stealing one of his closest allies and failed.
Also, fuck the Space Wolves. There are NO wolves of Fenris you debased yiffers