*blocks your path*

Kings Honor, friend

What can I do for you?

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Point the way.

*FOR THE HORDE intensifies*

>>377520228
HUHH!

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MUH BLADE SEEKS VENGEANCE

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>>377520228
>tfw I literally still have dreams of playing Vanilla WoW
I'm going to say Vanilla was the best video game ever made.

Is the "Only faggots play Alliance" meme still a thing in WoW?

>>377520810
It wasn't but whatever floats your boat.

>>377520919
Faggot alliance player detected

>>377520810
vanilla was the worst version of WoW by far

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>>377520919
I'm not sure. the game is so dead that only people who care about the 1 player experience play it anymore. everyone I talk to that still plays tells me they love how they don't have to interact with anyone and can just quest alone. it's fucking weird because the game was about the exact opposite of that when it was in its prime.

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>>377521081
>>377520990
>being this retarded
>denying the truth
I've played WoW since release, stopped after Pandaria and honestly you all don't know what you're talking about or just jumped on the WoW train after Vanilla and are jelly you missed out.

>FOR THE KEEEEENG

>>377520919
Each faction use to have a distinct culture, even severs had their history, but with the proliferation of cross-realm mechanics, the character boosts, the eased leveling, Blizzard has stripped away all character from the factions and realms on the player-side. They are indistinguishable nowadays. It's a far cry from the Vanilla/TBC animosity and distinctness.

>>377521161
It was a broken and fundamentally flawed game, and a lot of people enjoyed that. But it was far from the best WoW ever was.

>>377521161
I played vanilla, WoW was not my first MMO, I was not an underage kid when I played vanilla, vanilla is objectively shit and the worst WoW has ever been.

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>>377521442
have you ever heard of the japanese concept of wabi-sabi? that shit is true. it was the perfect game because of its imperfections.

>>377521594
Must be why people love XIV so damn much. Also if you were really all about wabi-sabi you would consider WoW to still be the perfect game because it's as imperfect and flawed as ever.

>>377521594
No, you think it was perfect because you were probably in high school, 0 responsibilities, playing all day with your friends.

Now you are in uni or out of uni, working some boring ass job to pay for bills and have a fuckton of responsibilities.

No longer can you spend your whole summer vacation doing nothing but play video games.

>>377520228
See you in barrens...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5s0MQvF9s

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>>377521725
>>377521757
no wabi-sabi only applies when something has small imperfections, not when it's a steaming pile of shit that's not wabi-sabi. also I'm sorry but nostalrius shows that you're objectively wrong

>>377521337
Apt.
>This

>>377521161
Well I played before release (Stress Test Beta #1) to Panda and I think you're wrong.

But it's just opinions, anyway.

>>377521867
>not when it's a steaming pile of shit
like vanilla

>>377521867
>Nostalriusfag

Oookay, whatever you say pal.

I understand it OP!
You see, I've watched South Park too!
Us gamers, right?

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>>377521982
nostalrius again proves you wrong. maybe you just have garbage taste is all. enjoy WoW then how it is, alone.

>>377521867
>nostalrius shows that you're objectively wrong
That buggy chinese infested piece of shit proves I'm wrong? Remember all the promises the Nost team had and then went completely back on because they're fucking inept? Like releasing the code and all that shit?

Why are you people unironically responding to the avatarfag?

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>>377522061
>nostalrius

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HUH

>>377520810
>>377521161
>>377521594
>>377521867
>>377522061
Give me your fucking address you inbred faggot so I can send you a pack of razors so you can end your fucking life and make the world a better place

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>>377522240
>if I post a reaction image of a cartoon laughing then I win :)
faggot

>>377522145
>Hating vanilla
>Being ok with TBC
>Loving the shit out of MoP
>Liking WoD more than Legion

That's some misguided taste there.

>>377522145
Accurate

>>377521442
>But it was far from the best WoW ever was.
BC was the only expansion that could realistically compete with it quality-wise, and I wouldn't personally consider that better since it started introducing a lot of the stuff that would later turn the game into the garbage heap we've had for the past several years. WoW was kinda fucked from the very beginning, since it was always meant to be a more accessible casual-friendly EQ, but it wins by default for me since they just hadn't gotten around to completely fucking it up by the time it was over.

Everything from Wrath onward is soulless garbage that I got almost zero enjoyment out of. The only reason I played until Legion was pure habit/addiction and whatever lingering shreds of nostalgia I had left.

Thank god for Nost/Elysium :^)

>>377520810
Vanilla wasn't the best game
Vanilla was the best experience

Yeah, it was obnoxious with half of specs being useless, blatant balance issues, not much to do, pvp had a million things wrong about it, waiting for hours to get a group through lfg and then travel for one more hour to Scarlet Monastery as alliance only to wipe repeatedly was infuriating. I can go on for hours how it was a shitty game.

But! Back when you actually played with people from your realm, shitposted on the forums, had guild drama, made friends while questing for years to come, progressed, spent hours fishing with friends, then you got your first epic and felt like hot shit for a week, saved a lot for an epic mount, raided with 40 people, did world raids, kited world bosses into towns, had endless AVs and scirmishes in Southshore. You made friends, you talked to people to enchant, to sign guild weaver, to port somewhere, to help with a quest. You didn't play 25 different MMOs that all looked exactly the same and the world felt huge, amazing and full of wonders.

That social aspect and the feeling of progression and exploration is all but lost now. You can get to max level, level professions to the max as well, gear out in full epics without saying a single word or talking to a person ever. It's not even a fucking MMO now.

There were a lot of nails to that WoW coffin for me. Cross-realm bullshit, dumbed down quests with retard markers, resilience, flying mounts, LFG tool, welfare epics for everyone just for logging in and sucking dick at one BG a day, cash shop, legality of gold selling which lead to huge inflation, daily quests, that incomplete feeling of everything below last expansion while leveling, almost year-long gaps without new content, balance issues, but it doesn't really matter all that much if the game is not fun anymore and will never be fun again.

vanilla was shit and boring

>>377522543
Tbh the only reason I'm still playing is some friends I made in TBC.

Plus being in the same 2 day good progress guild since MoP with a lot of fun and chill dudes helps.

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>>377520810
>>377521161
>>377521594
>>377521867
>>377522061
>avatarfag with tumblr and facebook filenames

Real talk: why did WoW go to shit after TBC and vanilla? Was it arena? dungeon finder? Everything being too cinematic?

>>377523167

the death of any mmo is when the community turns to shit rather than the gameplay itself, but dungeon finders definitely contribute to that

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>>377523167
>not liking wotlk

>>377523167
Blizzard added more conveniences as people began to realize that MMO's are just a huge waste of time.

>>377522061
>nostalrius
yes, i too enjoy playing Chinese invasion simulator

>>377524327
Not that poster, you can be disgusted all you want. It just further ruined game balance in the worst directions while throwing a few okay mechanics on top to keep retards busy like that open world pvp siege which was okay but nothing amazing.

>>377522145
WoD and Legion were pure shit.

>>377522543
>rogue/warlock/mage/warrior player detected

Vanilla was trash. The very fact that more than half the classes had useless specs (the vast majority of which were classes cornholed into healing only) made the game absolute fucking garbage. Every single paladin, shaman, priest and druid fucking HATED vanilla. Fuck that and fuck that nigger tigole.

>>377522145
Spot on

>>377522327
You don't belong here, you belong on xbox live or youtube comments or some similar shithole

>>377522145
7/10 bait

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playable nerubians fucking when

>>377526346
cant tell if your baiting or just a huge faggit who didnt actually experience vanilla

>>377526675
I played vanilla and it was the number one most horrible wow experience I ever had by far. The fact that the spec I wanted to play was completely unviable hamstrung ANYTHING that could have been good about it.

>>377522145
I agree with this

>>377526675
The only people who suck vanillas dick are the people who never actually played it.

>>377521594
>have you ever heard of the japanese concept of wabi-sabi?
>wabi-sabi
2 nukes werent enough

TBC was way more fun than vanilla

>>377526675
You only like vanilla and wow in general because you didn't know better, it was mediocre among other mmorpgs released during that time, even before wow

>>377520810
>>377521161
>>377521594
>>377521867
>>377522061
How do we destroy anons like this?

>>377527310
I agree.

>>377527310
TBC was only marginally more fun than vanilla because specs were STILL fucking broken.

I'm particularly salty about only horde paladins getting seal of blood which was the ONE THING that made Ret viable. Alliance had fucking nothing.

WoTLK is when the game was good.

>>377526675

Not him but as a mage, I did not enjoy my rotation consisting of Frostbolt, more Frostbolt, and occasionally drinking a mana potion.

>>377527385
Ignore and report. Avatarfagging is against the rules. Whatever his arguments are, they'd be far less obnoxious with no picture attached

>>377527457
Yeah in terms of class playability WotLK was definitely the peak but the problem was just that it had a lot of design flaws that left a bad taste in my mouth and eas basically the progenitor or everything that went wrong with WoW. Still a great xpac though.

>>377522543
The biggest thing to me was that all those problems led to player communication and interdependence. You couldn't solo vanilla WoW and expect to do well at all. Pretty much every other MMO I've played since makes things too easy to do alone. People partied up all the time with randoms in vanilla. Now you end up having to use queues for just about everything. If I didn't want to engage in the social aspect, I wouldn't be playing MMOs in the first place.

There's no better WoW than WoW: WOTLK

prove me wrong

>>377527958
WotLK was hot dogshit though

>>377527958
I will.
Vanilla updates, but before BC was the best the game had ever been.

>>377527545
This. People like to say that WoW is a 3 button game now (which as an aside isn't true, even the most simplistic spec in the game has 7 abilities in it, WoD was worse about this with Balance Druids having 5), but the reality is that for some specs in Vanilla having as many as 3 abilities in your optimal rotation simply didn't exist. Seriously, if you were a mage, you either spammed frostbolt or firebolt depending on your spec, that's it.

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Are there any active, high quality TBC or vanilla servers?

>>377528052
fireball*

>>377527958
This was true, up until Dungeon Finder was added.

WoW was fun when I didn't care about the actual game content and just had fun dicking around and exploring. I was more excited to see the RTS units in-game than anything else really.

>>377528068
Elysium for Vanilla & Warmane for TBC

>>377528068
Even if there was, I wouldn't tell you. People never shutting the fuck up about Nost and making graphs on it and constantly linking to it is what got it noticed by Blizz.

>>377528184

So basically just play on an RP realm today.

>tfw no vanilla and bc with wotlk class viability

>>377528342
I'm too aware how valuable my time is now.

>>377528446

Yet you're here.

>>377528446
You're saying that whilst posting on /v/.. really made me think.

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>>377528068
>Active
Yes a few.
>High Quality
HAHAHAHAHA GET OUT OF HERE YOU JOKESTER HOLY FUCK THATS GOOD HAHAHA

Listen feller theres no such thing as a high quality private server period.
Theyre all shit in different ways, either your server is missing mortal strike triggers or your server is missing huge boss mechanics.

Private servers are a "pick your poison" type of deal and anyone ANYONE who says "Well my server is superior because X Y Z" are lying to your face so you can sink time into their hellhole instead of someone else's.

>>377528473
My life is in a very shit place right now.

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>>377522274
Tfw do this to friends and they lose their shit.

In terms of actual gameplay? The game is in a far better place now than it was back then, though imo it was at its best mechanically with MoP.

>>377527897
This exactly, WotLK was the beginning of the end.
It had great heights and class viability compared to TBC and vanilla before it.

But! It laid the groundwork for the WoW we know and hate today... the long patch cycles, the dungeon finder / phasing system and ofcourse the World of YOUcraft, where the story revolves around the player, despite ya know, there being 2 million+ other players.

I would much rather have an engaging in-depth world rather than getting my ass pampered by my keep's NPCs or whatever the fuck they do now.

>>377528960
>and ofcourse the World of YOUcraft, where the story revolves around the player
Not really considering Tirion basically did everything.

>>377528158
>up until Dungeon Finder was added.
I would argue that the side effects of the dungeon finder started showing early in Cata. The community was still alive through all of wotlk, at least on my server.
Also I think guild levels were just as responsible for ending any sense of community as the Dungeon Finder as they single-handedly killed social guilds.

>>377528712
MOP was a blast really. In terms of customization you could do a shitload to your gear, gem slots were still common, you'd reforge, glyphs were still something you'd have to rebuy, etc. etc. Preparing your class for a raid actually felt like it had weight and deciding to change your spec meant you had to plan all that as well, and it was a good time sink and something that made realm economy keep moving.

It was also before they're started culling more and more spells and shit from classes.

I had a blast with MOP.

>>377527958
No.
>dungeon finder
>rehashed raids
>removed older content
>achievements
>gear score
>heirlooms
>welfare epics hit their peak for awfulness
>rehashed item models
>entire zones cut
>isle of conquest
>vehicle combat
>even more lore rape
>ICC for an entire year
>TOTC raid

>>377529059
Tirion got himself frozen in a block of ice and the players had to do basically everything.

The only thing he did was use Ashbringer to break Frostmourne. After that, Terenas and the rest of the spirits inside Frostmourne broke free, resurrected the players, and stunned Arthas so the players could finish him off.

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>>377526457
>implying 4chin is basically what you just said

>>377528960
I find 2 problems with this mindset. The first is that an RPG that isn't about you the player gives you little reason to care about any input you have on anything. The second is that WoW never had a particularly "engaging, in-depth world". There were a couple storylines that stayed with you for a few zones (like how the Defias had to do with the first 4 zones for humans), but for the most part different zones might as well have been different planets for their 0 effect on each other.

>>377529136
MOP managed to recreate some of the feeling vanilla had for me, when the game really felt like you were exploring a world much larger than you rather than having everything revolve around you.

>>377529394

And you know, destroyed Arthas's heart. Organized the joint Horde and Alliance expedition to Northrend. Authorized the attack on Ulduar. Set up the Trials.

>>377529293
>gear score
>blizz is at fault for someone elitist players did

>>377522145
i'd bump vanilla up a little bit, but yeah this is a pretty accurate list

>>377529550
>Authorized the attack on Ulduar.
Kirin Tor and to lesser extent explorers guild, plus it was the players who actually attacked and destroyed it.

Tirion also had nothing to do with Malygos.

>>377529135
You could definitely feel the effects of dungeon finder a few months after it was added, especially once everyone had to grind marks for new gear. It was just a silent rush to the last boss, and god help you if you made even the slightest mistake.

>>377521759
barrens used to be a magical place. memes aside, you were there forever it seemed like that you started using general chat to ease your mind because of how fucking large that place was.

i miss it because once you're done, you really have to choose a direction you're going to go because the next zone was going to be your home for the next day or so.

>>377529550
>>377529670
Also the 'destroying the heart' questline was horde only which is completely retarded.

Also he did not organize the joint horde/alliance expedition, because if he had then the horde/alliance wouldn't have immediately attacked each other.

>>377527981

Kys

>>377522274
What were these guys called again?

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You could?

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Spic, fool!

>feel like playing wow again
i played legion with my old guild, and that shit didn't last a month. usually with my guild we have eachother for awhile and just endure it, but man did legion feel like a massive fuck up.

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>>377520228
Uther: Glad I could make it, Arthas.
Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.
Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!

Arthas: What?!
Uther: This entire city must be purged.
Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!
Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.

Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason.
Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?
Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.

Jaina: Uther! He can't just--

Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.
Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.
Jaina: ...Arthas?
Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.

>>377529431
>an RPG that isn't about you the player gives you little reason to care about any input you have on anything

Anyone who has ever played Everquest would disagree. MMORPGs require a different mindset from single-player RPGs. A lot of people are perfectly cool with being a part of a much bigger fantasy world as long as that world is immersive enough.

>>377529730
My experience could definitely have been an exception but I still occasionally chatted in random dungeons until very early Cata. Maybe my battlegroup was particularly friendly since it didn't include any of the more cancerous EU servers.

>>377530215
I'm thinking of resubbing as well, what was so bad about legion?

>>377528521
>missing boss mechanics

No, vanilla bosses were legitimately that shallow and awful. And they're made even worse on private severs because most private servers are running the naxx patch. The naxx talents make the content even more trivial that it already is.


Private servers is where retards and underage children go to act superior.

>>377529550
Canonically, Tirion took lead credit for the raid on Arthas, with "a band of mercenary champions" or somesuch backing him up.

>>377530359
they pretty much made everything a gamble. lots of gated content

pvp will never be balanced as always too since that is what we loved to do

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>>377530268

>>377522543
This one has the right of it. It was so flawed, but forced people to come together. As someone who was antisocial, it MADE you talk to people. If you enjoy WoW now, chances are you are antisocial and you can solo without respite until you die of old age, or the only reason you're in a guild is because you're already socially adjusted and can enjoy the guild chat room.

>>377530464
Gamble? You mean if I spend more time than others at playing the game I won't be rewarded since its all RNG?
I can see gated content having the same problem, forces you to play at the pace of the average player.

>>377522543
>legality of gold selling which lead to huge inflation
>buy token
>sell token to another player for their gold
>no gold was created, it only changed hands
>but this is totally inflation guys i played vanilla i know what im talking about
retard. i hate how people who complain about tokens still dont know how they work.
garrison alts and expansion gold drop/vendor price creep caused the inflation. the only way you could possibly claim tokens caused inflation is by arguing tokens caused people to spend their massive gold piles they spent the past year hoarding. its a really stupid argument, because if blizz added anything worth spending gold on people would inject their hoards into the economy

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Tfw no friends. Anyone want to quest on Elysium together? I'm down to carry anyone lower than lvl 20

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>>377530045
Pls respond

>>377530746
My level 60 got deleted because they fucked up the transfer process.

Fuck them.

>>377520228
Get off the computer randy, your family has let go emotionally.

>>377530746
If you buy me the game, yes

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>>377530894
>Elysium
>buy me the game
a-anon...

>>377530894
its a private server its free

>>377530359
time gating
artifact weapons
pruned/ reworked classes that everybody will agree are worse than their previous iterations
awful balance, which is ironic because the reason that they "pruned" classes to begin with was so that they could balance classes easier
raiding takes way too much commitment now, even on a casual level due to artifacts and legendarys
legendarys aren't actually legendarys anymore. If you've ever played Diablo 3, it's the same thing as that
Titanforging is completely out of control
Everything that you do is tied to RNG, from the gear that you get, to the rerolled Titanforging on the gear you get, Gem sockets, weapon procs, and even every single classes rotation is tied to RNG rotations procing your classes designated "glowy" button while you build up your classes energy. Every class has been homogenized to play like that now, there are almost no exceptions (maybe windwalker and shadow priest)
and i'm not even listing my personal gripes with legion, such as mythic plus being an awful, botched versions of Challenge Modes, which were way better, not having 10 man Mythic STILL, and making it so that if you want to compete at the highest level in raiding, you have to grind all fucking day for your artifact power, World quests, cross realm zoning instead of just merging dead realms, and there's much more.

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>>377531020
>>377531039
I see
I don't know much about WoW

What's the difference between it and Blizzard's WoW?

>>377522145
Pretty accurate.
Blizzdrones unironically believe Legion is a step above WoD when in reality its somehow worse.

>>377531172
Its basically the blizzards wow of 10+ years ago, a different game entirely

>>377522145
SHREK
I'M GIVING THE BAIT (YOU)S
AAAAUAUUUUGH

>>377531172
its an older build of the game
livewow had many expansion that changed the game and added new zones

>>377531172
its the game without any of the expansion content and without the revamped world that came with cataclysm

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>>377531270
is it better?

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>>377531214
Legion is way better than WoD, are you brain damaged?

>>377531321
Definitely

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>>377531008

>>377531321
Vanilla WoW is arguably a better RPG experience than nu-WoW, yeah.
Elysium specifically is infested with russian and chinese gold farming bots which the devs refuse to do anything about because muh racism.

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>>377531368
But the models are the older ones, right?

>>377531442
Some servers let you play with the new ones but what what would you prefer, a good game or a pretty game?

>>377531357
Nah.
WoD was shit but Legion is turbo shit.

>>377531321
better than legion probably
its not everyones cup of tee though
its really grindy and can become not fun if you dont find people to play with you

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>>377531514
>what would you prefer, a good game or a pretty game?

Well, I like pretty elves

>>377531357
wod had more players
no content>legion content

>>377531075
time gating is bad but most of the gates are already over
too vague, need more detail
yep
commitment? you mean you have to dedicate time to play the game at a high level?? like....vanilla???? (pro tip: i made an alt and 3 legendaries in 2 weeks. relinquished tokens help a ton for targeting specific legos)
legendaries are the replacements for glyphs. very bad design
yep
plenty of classes dont have rng procs, or already had them since vanilla

>>377520919
That hasn't been a thing since the Blood Elves arrived and ruined the horde irreparably

>>377531614
>the Blood Elves arrived and ruined the horde irreparably
What a meme opinion.

>>377520919
Faggots and Cucks play Alliance
Underage kids and edgy teenagers play Horde

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Wrath is my favorite era of WoW

>>377531614
But Blood Elves made the horde better because they finally got fuckable females

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>>377531708
Mah nigga, fuck the haters

>>377531775
That didn't happen until Pandaria

>>377531357
>WoD
Lack of content was the killer, not necessarily that the game was "bad," just unfinished. Raids, Dungeons, and questing were of high quality and there was really only one class that got the legion treatment in terms of being botched warlocks
Overall, there's about 2 months of content and a gigantic waste of potential in WoD, but the content that is there is pretty good.
>Legion
The entire game has been fundamentally changed so that it's impossible to fuck up anything. The entire game is based around Equity and RNG. The content that is there is mediocre at best. There are too many fundamental flaws with the game for the content that is experienced to actually be enjoyable.

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>>377531614
> Blood Elves arrived and ruined the horde irreparably

wrong

>>377531872
>reskinned night elves
wow so sexy and unique

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>>377531835
gross

>>377531614
>being mad at the only race without scoliosis

This is why horde numbers are tanking

>>377531942
>>reskinned night elves

kek sure BRO

Tfw liked the lore and writing from WoTLK-MoP, hate the changes but miss the zones and new races. I wish someone would just take a cata server, remove everything and slowly code the old removed vanilla quests right in while keeping the hard cap at 60. Every month they could be a special event where a huge hundred man raid of players can travel to a level scaled down version of Outland/WoTLK and after that week/month is over, everyone on that continent to booted back to Kalmindor/Eastern Kingdoms.

Fucking nostalgiafags the best version of World of Warcraft® is definitely World of Warcraft: Legion® Now available for $59.99 or your regional equivalent. (Requires subscription)

>Join Illidan's immortal army
>Wield a mythic weapon
>Battle to level 110
>Boost to Level 100 instantly

What a deal. I've been playing World of Warcraft® since vanilla and Legion is the best by far. Come play m'lord

>>377530813
defias pillager

>>377530813
Defias Pillager

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>>377531603
What WoD didn't have more players

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>>377531942
That hasn't been true since vanilla

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Post yfw you heard blizzard wasn't going to make the subscriber count public anymore

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>>377532115
>>377532116

>>377532143
it did
even at the lowest point of no content one year of hfc it had 5million
mmochampion reported 4.5 million characters last week which is about 4million players im assuming

>>377520228
>tfw no Panda wife

>>377530045
Release spirit.

>>377531008
>blood elf
>hunter
>has autism

like poetry

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>>377531008
>>377531372
>doesn't like socializing
>decides to play an MMO

>>377531008
>>377531372
I hate these people. They know they aren't the target audience of a game but still expect everything to revolve around them.
Kid I'm sorry that you're autistic but there's plenty of single-player games out there for you to enjoy.

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>>377522145
Wrath baby detected

>>377531606
>too vague
it acts as an artificial time gate for alts, basically you have to play X amount of time to get to the point where your class is even playable, and then you have to gear up.
>you mean you have to dedicate time to play the game at a high level?? like....vanilla???? (pro tip: i made an alt and 3 legendaries in 2 weeks. relinquished tokens help a ton for targeting specific legos)
i haven't play since 7.1.5, and having out of raid commitment similar to vanilla isn't necessarily something that anybody wants, other than vanilla purists.
>plenty of classes don't have rng procs, or already had them since vanilla
Yeah most of them have had said procs since vanilla, however the entire class is based around said proc now, with almost zero spells inbetween. It's annoying having even your damage AFTER YOU GET GEAR out of your control.
Another thing is, more classes than not have shit that's just out of their control due to their reworks. Example: Soul shards on Warlocks, Stormstrike procs on enhancement, The entirety of Outlaw Rogue, Arms warrior colossus smash, etc...
Just because said spell has been "in the game since vanilla" doesn't mean it hasn't been reworked in legion. Enhancement shaman is a great example of this. The class is nothing like it's Cata-WoD iteration, due to the rework. Sure, the spell names and icons are the same, but the way the spells function make the class feel more like a Blue Fury Warrior instead of a shaman. The same could be said about pretty much all of the Warlock and hunter specs too.

>he doesn't play project ascension

Light be with you.

>>377533942
hows that server doing?

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Playable ethereals when?

>>377534262
Is this a female ethereal or a man, I don't want to be gay

>>377534354
>No tits

Male.

>>377534354
Don't worry, you are.

>>377522543
>Vanilla wasn't the best game
>Vanilla was the best experience
Most people say the community made the game what it was, I agree with that.
It's an MMORPG for fucks sake.
MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER.
Vanilla managed to make the players work together and bond over trivial bullshit like a quest, an item or even just an npc.
The game was heavily flawed, like every first iteration of a game, but the basic structure that allowed players to really take in the whole world the game offered is unparalleled for me to this day.
The whole package back then was just better than what we have nowadays and nobody understands why WOD/Legion are called shit expensions, hint, it's not because they are lacking content....

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>>377534262
just imagine one of these running around in the stupid-looking mismatched gear you acquire all throughout leveling up.

>>377534718
Vanillas strength was its community
TBCs strength was its difficulty
Wraths strength was its accessibility

>>377522145
Why does anybody like WotLK?
It had a 1 year content drought after ICC was released, that was the first time since I started playing in 2005 that i unsubbed because I questioned if the game was worth 15 bucks a month.
Everything else was also shit, especially pvp with the early dk balance, god don't remind me of the dk/pala teams that raped everything.

>>377522145
>WoD over Legion and Cata

"no"

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>>377534354
That's a male. This is a female.

>>377534878
>Wraths strength was its accessibility
Don't really know if attracting casuals is a strength.
It's true though, most people I know in real life that played wow started playing in Wrath.

>>377535168
>>377534262
Hearthstone has some fucking great ethereal art

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>>377535242
forgot my pic

>>377522468
do you still play on elysium ?

>>377520810
Vanilla was an absolute dogpile by current standards.

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>>377520784
tastu my burade

>>377535598


S
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U
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C
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>>377530045
Aggro train.

>>377535202
Thing is the casuals were already there at the end of TBC but so much of the content was basically unavailable to them that blizzard was forced to do something.
Like no casual was ever gonna step foot in Sunwell.
They may have overdone it at 1st but id say the addition of multiple difficulty's to allow the hardcore to still be hardcore while making raids accessible to everyone is a strength.

>>377535598
at least gimme the name of the artist

>>377531851
I fucking hate Ion. Ghostcrawler and Bashiok are gone, but there's always another faggot to replace them.

>>377534262
Not before Ogres and Furbolgs.

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>"o neat they released the 2nd raid tier for wod"
>mfw i realized it was the final raid tier

>>377536410
>only three raids
>most contained rehashed content
What the fuck was the point of WoD?

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>>377536410

>yfw tomb of sargeras WILL NOT be the last raid of legion

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>>377536259
Dandon Fuga

>>377536545
I wish it was so this expansion can be over already.

>>377536154
The multiple difficulty bullshit started innocent enough and turned into one of the biggest problems of the game.
Why even do mythic raids? for gear? can get that titanforged in lower difficulties.
For the achievement? It's not like back in the days where that shit mattered, wow is irrelevant in 2017.
Because it's fun? Fuck no, mythic raiding always was a chore, you might have the awsome moments when your guild pushes another boss but overall it's too much work to be worth it, especially NH.
Back then you actually had to put in work to get the full game experience. The raids felt like something mysterious and most people could just imagine what the bosses looked like.
Might just be my nostalgia but in legion everything feels worthless,

I wish LFG was just the normal way to raid already. FFXIV does it just fine, and it's not like the social interaction is even alive using the group finder function anyhow.

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>>377536410
>i bet WoD will be just like MoP gameplay wise, except with a way cooler world! This is gonna be the best expansion ever!
>they release two raid tiers, and don't even finish like 4 continents
>Okay, there's no way that legion could be any worse than WoD.
>legion is somehow worse than WoD
i will never fall for their jewish tricks again

>>377536545
>Azshara should have had her expansion years ago
>instead we had pandas and timetravelling

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>>377520228
*blinks behind you*
pssh nothing personal, kid

>>377536410
>>377536510
>>377536848
>blizz probably put more effort in shuting down nost than they did into WoD

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>>377536848
>>legion is somehow worse than WoD
How is it even possible to have such shit taste

>>377537184
No they didn't they sent a single c&d which the nost team could have ignored as so many other private servers had, it was the nost team that put the effort out to make themselves out as victim because they were delusional enough to think that blizz will ever put up classic servers

Vanilla>TBC>Wrath>>>>>MOP>>>Cata>Legion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WOD

>>377537346
thats the joke

>>377537441
The joke is nostfags

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Why do the weather effects in WoW look so fucking bad? They were better in fucking vanilla.

>>377520228
I literally don't know why people ask questions if vanilla wow is good or bad. Just download 1.21 client and try Elysium. It's for free, you don't have to donate, and there is no P2W.
No private server is 100% blizzlike since even vanilla had patches and bugs.
There is a 50/50 chance of you becoming completely addicted and ruining your life or hating it b/c you are a Pandafag.
>seriously if you ever made a Panda character in modern wow with such shit walking animations I don't even know what to tell you

>>377537604
O you got angry about it again.

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>>377537675
The weather system was removed if you remember

>>377537797
I still play on a vanilla private server you cuck, but nostfags that honestly think that blizz should/will ever bring back vanilla are fucking delusional

>>377537821
I know it was and I'm still fucking pissed off about it. Nights aren't dark anymore either.

I can't believe how badly Blizzard gimps their own fucking games. I can't even play OW on a wide screen monitor because "muh view advantage."

>>377537938
O you're a kronoscuck I understand now.
How sad.

>>377530440
That's not fair. There are a lot of people that just wanna quest and see the world the way it was before cata. Questing feeling like it means something is a huge draw to vanilla. It pushes the "it's about the journey, not the destination" mindset that a lot of people enjoy about old wow.

But yeah, there's moral high ground faggots too

>>377538035
Nope faggot but if your clearly one of those cucks that doesn't understand why blizz won't open vanilla

>>377538202
Aww you're trying to hide it, how cute are you.
Awww you're putting words in my mouth to try and make yourself feel better I could just hug you little guy.

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>>377538029
They put in some potion recently to make the dark night fags shut up

>>377538154
>Questing feeling like it means something is a huge draw to vanilla
But this is fucking wrong, I like vanilla but the questing never felt like it meant something it was just something you did for xp. If anything questing is the only thing that has improved in wow, now each zone has a nice little story that wraps up nicely by the end.

>>377526346
>priest
>hated vanilla
Wut? Priest was objectively the best healer class.

>>377538347
Whatever little cuckee, you still can't explain to me how people still clinging to nost and legit vanilla servers aren't delusional.

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>>377538029
>nights aren't dark any more either

it's no excuse, but blizzard seems to have been listening to that at least, they added a potion that makes the nights really dark, maybe working towards just making this an option

>>377538391
You're a fucking retard, or never played vanilla in your life. Pick one.

>>377531698
Read that as people with a modicum of skill play horde

Either that or they get carried by their broken ass racials

>>377538535
Explain how questing felt like it meant something then retard

>>377538586
>Spoonfeed me!
If you actually played the game, you would know. It's blatantly obvious that you haven't.

>>377538567
>he still thinks racials matter
So how is it being permanently scrub tier?

>>377522145
What's funny is that at launch Legion was shaping up to be the best expansion in the game's history.

Then fucking retard Diablo devs had to stick by Legendaries and the AP system.

>>377531428
Are there any servers that don't have fucking Chinese and Russian bots? I don't mind playing with foreign trash but they always seem to want to adopt these server destroying tactics that are fucking annoying to deal with

>>377538651
>doesn't have an answer immediately jumps to accusations
>implying you can spoonfeed a discussion
No you retard vanilla questing never felt like it mattered, if anything you're the one that's never played and are just living off of the memes /v/ has fed you since you can't come up with a real explanation

>>377536321
ALL I WANT TO DO IS PLAY A GOD DAMN OGRE
WHY WON'T THEY ADD THEM ALREADY, THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE HORDE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377537196
source

>>377530294
>early Cata
Well, duh. Early Cata HC dungeons were INTENSE as fuck, reminded me way too much of TBC's heroics.

>>377538980
they just dont know how to do female ogres

>>377538391
It may be wrong for you, but it wasn't wrong for a huge portion of the player base. Lots of people came into this game after wc3 and we're dying to see what direction the world went in and could see it all in 3D without linearity. So, it's not wrong at all. You just want to win an argument or think yours is law

>>377538980
I want either Murlocs or Gnolls.

>>377537796
Elysium/Nost isn't vanilla WoW

it might be the same base game, but it's not the same thing because every single fucking thing is known already - part of what made vanilla so interesting is how big and unexplored it was

I tried Nost but while it was fun for a bit it became boring really fast

>>377538391
>quest chains that require you to travel to different zones
>some even end in dungeons or raids
But no, they didn't mean anything. Quest chains in vanilla were absolutely amazing.
Did you even play vanilla?

>>377539192
there are already fucking female ogre models
JUST FUCKING ADD THEM ALREADY

>>377529874
Wait what? Destroying the heart was horde only? I-Is that right? I vaguely remember doing that as an Ally.

>>377539334
Compared to now where everything is cleanly laid out and you're give a clear reason for going places no they didn't mean anything, most of the stories were shit and your just being blinded by nostalgia

>>377538391
I can see where you're coming from since those are newer more structured quest chains from Cata onwards. Only a few quest chains from vanilla were as good, some of the others were pretty shit or were downright cancer LIKE THAT FUCKING SHAMAN TOTEM QUEST

>>377539395
I remember the quests with what was left of Arthas' humanity.
That was a ally, but I don't remember if you got to destroy his heart

>>377530215
You think this feels bad?
I've started playing again 2 months ago, after 5 years.
Surprisingly, my Guild still existed.
But no one, out of the 750 members were only. Here I was, the owner of a ghost guild. The Guild Bank with shit from years ago, and my realm barely populated.
It feels just so... sad.

>>377522145
Normie taste.

>>377539562
They did give you reasons. Good reasons. You just don't either remember or never played it

>>377531357
>tfw till no legendaries

T-T-T0T-T-T-T-T-THANKS

>>377520228
What a handsome woman.

>>377539346
really? ive never seen one
did they add them recently?

>>377539894
he's lying, there is no female ogre models.

>>377539969
>>377539894
Ogres reproduce asexually, read Chronicle Volume 2

>>377534727
At least you could tell how far someone has progressed by looking at their gear. That warrior is ready for Kara.

>>377537796
>hating it b/c you are a Pandafag.
Or maybe people don't enjoy stupid fucking Chinese gold farmers with shit devs

>>377540059
Explain why then there are female ogre masks for the Halloween event.

>>377540650
Masturbation fantasies

>>377538791
>Are there any servers that don't have fucking Chinese and Russian bots?
Retail

>Elune literally fucked a stag

wew

>>377540845
Someone fucked a horse to make Centaur. Who by the way have become completely irrelevant like Quilboar and Gnolls.

But for some reason every other humanoid exists across Azeroth.

>>377539192
They don't need female ogres.

>>377540798
im still mad that russian got put into eu servers

>>377540979
Why wouldn't Eastern Europeans belong on a European server?

>>377540956
would be pretty funny to see a billion female ogres with thicc memes in their names

>>377541085
>Ogres become the new meme race
Move over gnomes.

>>377541046
russia has big parts in asia
there are tons of problems with lagging russians
they are also rude and refuse to type in english
also dumb that you cant even read their names

>>377541046
Russians don't belong on this planet.

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How's the server?

What should I main?

If they do ogres, I hope we can do the player-shared Two-Headed Ogre thing that was an April Fools prank years ago and turn it into a reality. Cho'Gall is fun as fuck in HotS.

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>>377536321
>not Vrykul
I want muh playable giantess muscle waifu

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Come here Anon and breed me instead of that old human meatloaf pussy.

>>377541427
>not waiting 2 weeks
>buying the queue bypass
>buying a level 70
>buying all available gear

>>377541569
If only...

>>377540940
I thought Centaurs came from Cenarius' son banging fatty McRock fat

>>377541569
you have a 30inch spiked cock i know it
erp fucking sucks now

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>>377541569
I'd rather have a flared Draenei horsecock with grapefruit sized balls to fondle while playfully licking the uretha

>>377520810
I think Everyone has strong feelings for their first MMO.

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>>377522274
>they changed so many iconic sounds

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>>377541882
dont be sad that its over be happy that it happened

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IS THERE ANY ADDON TO GET THESE LOOT WINDOWS BACK?

I miss them.

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>>377532804
>>377533015
>tfw anti-social and rarely play with people in MMOs but still play them for the PvP

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*bubblehearths away from you*

>>377542381
this one is great

>>377541648
i'm thinking Orc BM huntard

>>377542069
they're still there though? what

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Why does alliance have the best females?

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>>377542381

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>>377539894
>>377539969
>>377540650
FUCK
YOU

>>377520810
>>377521161
>tumblr filenames
>shit taste
nothing to see here

>>377542802
SOURCE RIGHT NOW

>>377531428
>about because muh racism.
More like elysium devs are getting a cut of profit from them.

>>377542069
Most stuff is personally loot anyway so it doesn't matter.
>>377541552
Doesn't work lorewise. Then again, neither did worgen DKs and druids and demonhunters.

>>377542902
huh cool
are ogres bigger than tauren? maybe they cant fit into doors and havent been made playable because of that

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>>377542763
There is no more golden dragon portrait and the UI looks more bubble than 'sunken' as they used to be.

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Needs more Tyrande

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>>377542802
It is there to pander western
>muh I am a heerow
idealism, so all races must be slim and pretty.
NElves don't belong in alliance, and BElves & Undead don't belong in horde.

I Hate WoW so fucking mutch I wish all WoW babbies just died

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>>377542987
SweetGrapes on Darknest

>>377543114
>Doesn't work lorewise
Aren't there a bunch of friendly Vrykul in Legion now though?

>>377530045
Pain train.

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>>377543205

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>>377543205
>not posting superior version

>>377543205
I want to _be_ Tyrande

>>377543546
All the things that could've been prevented if Tyrande gave Illidan a piece of that

>>377541427

There's a new TBC server?

>>377543114
>Doesn't work lorewise.
then just make it work, ror

>>377543908
Warmane has launched one today.

>>377531428
>he doesn't know the admin was caught offering to unban chinese farmers for money

>>377543143
all i want to do is fucking play a 2 headed ogre mage and a one headed ogre warrior
WHY CAN'T I YET
WHY ADD PANDAREN even though i love female panda ass so much AND GOBLINS WHEN OGRES ARE ALREADY IN THE HORDE ALREADY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377544351
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
How about you fuck off and never come back

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>>377544452
oh sorry i forgot this is norm/v/ hours here ill start speaking your language *starts sucking a fat cock*

>>377544351
WoD was pretty much the best opportunity to do so and they blew it.
I doubt Ogres will ever be relevant again since they want to avoid the Draenor races now.

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>>377544619
Go back

>>377544619
Not him but ree is just neo 2015 /r9k/ speak for newfags

>>377520228
>Tfw running around all the empty and no longer used areas of Stormwind and Ironforge
>Tfw going to some of the WotLK areas and finding them deserted

I mean I like that they're there, but goddamn it's almost creepy.

>>377544707
You seem to know a lot about that reddit place maybe you should go back, and stop trying to fit in so fucking hard
>>377544767
Reee has been used on all boards of 4chan since that fucking frog video of the screaming frog
>not him but
number one way to know you are the same guy
now show me a pick of the (you) being removed by you in my two links please

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>>377520652
>playing Nelf

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>>377544767
>tfw Thunder Bluff is deserted
Used to be one of my favorite hangouts, was so comfy compared to Orgrimmar.
Sad to see it left the way it is.

>>377544992
Ooh, I'm all a-quiver.

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>>377544958
>quoting the wrong guy
Goddamn you newfags just don't get told to lurk more
REEEEE and Pepe are normie-tier reddit shit now, maybe you should fuck off and join them

Why does all the mail gear look like crap? I mained a Shaman for Legion and I can't make any transmog look good.

>>377545597
What race are you because mail has a lot of good looking gear as long as you're not something retarded like tauren

>>377545083
thunder bluff was always relatively deserted

>>377544958
>number one way to know you are the same guy
>now show me a pick of the (you) being removed by you in my two links please

Going this far on an anonymous North Korean Egg Farming board.
Jesus Christ go outside

>>377545597
There's a god tier shaman PVP set from MoP I think that looks like what they wore in WC3.

>>377545767
>as you're not something retarded like tauren
Wah wah wah.

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>>377545597
>mail gear is STILL a thing
>we've had three new classes and NONE of them use mail gear

Thanks, Blizzard.

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>>377546000
>two new classes in a row that wear agility leather

>>377545998
They look bad in almost everything and have since vanilla no shit you can't make a good mog

>>377546000
I'm surprised we never got a fourth clothie.
A necromancer or chronomancer would've been cool.