What happened to Atlus?

I think it has more to do with how games are made nowadays than Atlus ruining their RPGs.

It's kind of understandable, video games are too big for their own good and there are alot of retarded people out there that try to play them. With how easy and conveniant the internet has become it's pointless to put mandatory obscure shit in your games so you try to streamline it so the player can progress smoothly, especially when your game is more about story and character interaction than gameplay.

>>377510957
Yeah, because Nocturne was totally the height of intellectual stimulation in terms of puzzles.

>>377510957
fuck dungeon puzzles. I think Atlus agree that they're outright terrible because thats why SMT4 and SMT4A exists. just give me a satisfying gameplay with epic boss fight music and I am good

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>lol teleports you
>good game design
Nocturne is a good game but it has its flaws like anything else does.

>>377511671
Compared to P5 it basically is, like those picture puzzles in the Pyramids were an insult

>>377511671
Slightly more engaging than P5 but still pretty easy. In P5 I can hardly call them puzzles, it feels like you can't fuck them up. Even like the space station puzzle with the alpha and omega buttons felt really railroaded. I was just going forward and pressing buttons and got to the end without a single problem. In Nocturne if I don't at least think a little bit I might get stuck in a loop or something.

>>377512058
He's clearly not talking about designs and more in the fact they don't ruin the experience by treating the player like an idiot. What's the point of making a puzzle for a player to solve when your party members goes and spoils it?

>>377512215
>>377512224
It's all just shit to do in between fights; it's not meant to be super engaging.
And if it was complicated, the fights would seem like distracting chores.
It's the fidget spinner of game mechanics.

>>377511936
The dante cat and mouse chase was more fun than any dungeon in IV/A

>>377512498
I get what you mean, but I disagree. For me the dungeon aspects are half the fun. If Atlus isn't going to bother to try then they could've just gone with the random dungeons again. Coach Rapists dungeon was pretty OK, but I felt that everything after that was sub par.

>>377511671
>P5 "puzzles"
>DUDE FIND THE SWITCH TO OPEN THE DOOR LMAO
It's just the typical JRPG shit of making you run around more.

>>377512498
>It's all just shit to do in between fights;

Yet you can't progress if you don't do any of them. You have an entire dungeons in P5 based around some and if you're gonna do that, atleast make them interesting.

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>>377510957
Yeah this isn't even just Persona vs SMT, as SMT IV & Final are significantly more frontloaded and handhold for honestly no good reason.

SMT IV doesn't even reach its hook until nearly 2 hours in once reaching Tokyo.

Compare to Persona 3 or Nocturne where the base premise & set-up is done in 30 minutes or less, and game just starts.

For some reason after Persona 4, every game in the series has been frontloaded to hell with story, which works against the atmosphere that older games like Nocturne were praised for

>>377510957
>Persona
there is your problem. you are expecting quality from a Persona game.

>>377514605
persona had bigger budget than the last two SMT games

>>377514338
I loved that moment in kancolle. Shima playing with the turrets was cute af.

>>377514670
most of it spent on advertising and Shoji Meguro hiring people to work on his shit tier ost.

>>377514670
>budget
>playing rpg for the graphics
nani?

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>>377514670

What does budget have to do with quality?

>>377510957
Are you aware that both Nocturne and P5 were made by the same team ?

>>377515174
>What does budget have to do with quality?

it's the difference between a AAA title vs a handheld title

>>377512712
>assembly of nihilo

>>377515476
nocturne is not a handheld game, and it looks damn good for a ps2 game

>>377515529
>diet building

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>>377515552

>>377515476

And what do AAA and handheld have to do with quality?

>>377515653
this isn't nocturne

>>377515653
godlike production values for a handheld title. They really blew it out of the park. I'm still amazed at how fucking yuge the ost is as well. You could really tell that it was a passion project.

>>377515653
i'm getting a 3ds because of this game

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>>377515801
>difficulty drops after madusa
>combat system that was fixed in apacolypse
>enemy designs tanked after minataur
>reused 3d textures, map, sounds, music, demons, and sprites in apocalypse
>very hard difficulty is unlocked via dlc
>p2w dlc

>They really blew it out of the park

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>>377516217
>difficulty drops after madusa
Learn what production means.

>reused 3d textures, map, sounds, music, demons, and sprites in apocalypse
What in the fuck does this have to do with SMT4 though?

>>377516628
it means they rushed the game twice, faggot. can't call it a passion project when you have to meet a deadline

>>377516758
Both SMT4 and 4A have more content than any other SMT game has, even without any of the DLC. I don't think you know the meaning of rushed. Wether or not a curry fuck like you likes them is irrelevant to the fact that they are passion projects.

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>>377516217
>enemy designs tanked after minataur

>>377516758
4A was supposed to be the maniax version of IV. It wasn't rushed.

Persona and SMT go for different things.

>>377516974
>more content

this is false and I am not even defending persona. apocalypse had lack of sidequests which was made up for the dungeon crawling. complete opposite of 4 where it had lack of dungeon crawling and more sidequests. twisted tokyo is pretty fucking lazy version of tartarus and its the only endgame apocalypse has besides dlc.

>>377517354
>apocalypse had lack of sidequests
I'm done arguing with this retard.

>>377517440
>i got no counter arguments

off you go then