Path of Exile

No ones forcing you to play something you don't like.

That doesn't sound like fun at all.

>>377510010
play Tree of Savior it's cute and fun!

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>>377510061

Welcome to the latter half of the league's lifespan.

Your fault for playing PoE in the first place

>>377510010
>not playing SSF
nice story pleb

What item/league?

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How hard is to provide a player with a passive store that can sell items for him, even when he's off line?

Eve Online has been doing that for over 10 years.

>>377510010
>he fell for the "PoE is good, Diablo 3 and Grim Dawn are bad" meme

>>377510010
Well you're trying to buy shit during dead league time, players drift away as the leagues go on. I've never had that much trouble buying though.

>>377510475
>he wants a supermarket economy instead of a barter economy
enjoy your bots and farmers

>>377510010
That is literally the ONE negative of PoE
Them refusing to add a trading post or auction house in the game itself

Still way better than Casualablo 3 though

>not just getting 285% item find/rarity and running Hillock on Merciless

>>377510475
The developers at GGG don't know how to do that.

>>377510010
Its a shit, unbalanced, broken, filled with rmt game and they keep filling it with nonsense to break it even more.
Don't even waste your time anymore.

Oh, and if you buy cosmetics you can't: trade them/ gift them. I completly regret spending 50 on it.

>>377510801
Why would you be able to trade away cosmetics you buy?

>>377510641
Every game has automation.

When you craft armour in your hideout, do you have click a hammer and beat on an item at a virtual forge for 2 days? No. You just click a craft button. So the workbench is botting now, right?

>>377510768
This.

Legacy league was extended but it has still been going on for 3 months were normally the league is dead. That being the case the people still playing are probably rich enough to ignore buyers if it doesn't suit them to trade at the time.
You're probably also being too polite waiting for answers when you should just try another seller in 20-30 sec of not getting an answer.

If GGG weren't lazy fags they would implement an in-game auction house instead of relying on having to make trades through some 3rd party websites

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Femanon here.

That's why I quit playing.

The game is fun but the dependency on links and shit is fucking horrible

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>>377510910
>mfw a GGG developer reads this and decides to get rid of the craft button and forces players to beat a virtual hammer at a virtual forge for two days.

>utter contempt for their player base

I have never spent 4 hours trying to buy an item.
This is a problem with you an not the game.

>>377511436
Didn't spend 4 hours trying to buy one item. Learn how to read.

>>377511194
THIS

>make a fun skill-link system
>can only do basic shit for most of the time
for what purpose?

>>377511530
My bad. Still you put yourself in that situation.

>>377511775
duh. I'm obviously ranting.

>yes, I'm mad.

>>377510010
Once you need to trade with people for gear its time to give up. Unless you find haggling with retards fun.

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>>377511847

GGG developer here. couldn't care less about your situation to be honest. Working here sucks.

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If you never reached level 90+ and did 36 challenges in a HC league, you are not allowed to post in this thread

>>377510010
I've bought several dozen maps from people for far FAR less than one chaos, and i've never spent more than 2 minutes browsing poe.trade and then arranging a trade. You must be a complete idiot to spend hours on active trading for only a few items.

>>377511964
What's the point of playing HC league, they're not even different anymore?

>>377512123
>shitcrow having the audacity to directly address me
Know your place, baby

>>377512201
Aren't you supposed to hold back on giving out free (You)'s?

>>377512201
Go back to /poeg/

>>377510010
Then don't be a cheapskate and scroll down poe.trade a bit. Works like a charm.

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I gotta say i'm dissapointed in the whole "heres a paid beta, no content for 2 months fuck you" situation.
I'm probably shell out some cash to get access but it's going to feel bad doing so.
Wasn't the legacy league a rehash on purpose so they had time to work on that shit ?
Smells like a cashgrab to me, still i'm excited

>>377513607
you what
poe adds so much content and new shit all the time it's through the roof
meanwhile diablo 3 gets a necro after like 3 years of nothing

>>377510010
>playing standard
Only have yourself to blame, nooberdog.

>>377513905
for the first time there won't be a new 3 month league directly foillowing this one at the end of june

>>377510910
>Every game has automation.

not PoE

>>377510010
If you're in hardcore why not just try a new cheap build on another character while you wait for people to get back to you?

>>377514082
Yes there will. The next league will start with 3.0 release. The Legacy extension is on purpose to have a league running until the new expansion comes out, with the brand new league along with it.
It's always been like this.

>>377510010
>15 of them are AFK and 7 of them aren't AFK but apparently can't be bothered to come get my chaos.

it took you 4 hours to message 22 people?
do you have downs?

>>377514238
the beta is starting at the end of this temp league anon
and its not open
you need to buy a pack to get in or get chosen at random
check the fucking news once in a while, why would you fucking assume shit when i'm telling you its wrong

>>377510010
>buying gear for a lvl 58 character
you fucked up, delete immediately

>>377510547
PoE and Grim Dawn are good, D3 is bad.

Necromancer and Inquisitor when.

>>377512201
Here is me, directly addressing you in a blatant mocking of your completely lack of authority

>>377513607
>here's a paid beta
The 2.0 beta was a very enjoyable experience for all once the initial hype and pitchforks calmed down.
>So people didn't have to pay, GGG set up a lotto on the front page that automatically drew names out of their player database every like 10 minutes IIRC
>As time went by, it got faster and faster, letting more and more people in
>The pitchforks were over the fact that people with very similar names and accounts with no activity time kept getting keys
>Example: David(series of numbers 1) and David(series of number 2)
>It took GGG like a week to force the system to ignore accounts with no play-time, but from what was said, they also took away all the key allocated to these bot-farm accounts
>For those that didn't get in, they had a ton of races and race rewards
>The Beta itself featured some interesting changes that never made it to live
>Personally, I'm still mad because there was a change that was gonna be made to Fireball that it exploded every time it hit an enemy instead of only once and they never pushed it to the Live Beta
Overall good event tho. This Beta will only include 4 of the 6 new acts as well.

>>377513607
>I'm probably shell out some cash

This is why they never fix this broken game. Because of idiots like you, they don't have to.

>>377514468
Why wouldn't you?
It's even worth it to buy a good leveling unique for low levels to greatly speed it up

>>377514082
well they want to time the next league with the expansion launch, and if legacy ends 3 months after it launched, that leaves them with a 1 or 2 month time period before 3.0 - they had 4 major options how to handle this period
>#1 extend legacy until 3.0 launch
>#2 run a short 1 month challenge league between legacy end and 3.0 launch
>#3 run a full 3 month challenge league after legacy, postpone 3.0 launch until after it ends
>#4 let legacy end as planned and fill the time to 3.0 launch with race events and gimmicks

initially they had planned to do #4, after players whined about it they changed their minds and went with #1 instead

>>377513958
>starting standard at the end of a league a couple of weeks before a new version of the game comes out

Do you go to a movie 20 minutes before it ends too?

>>377514712

Whenever a new MTX is released it's at least 2 pages of cocksuckers "thx GGG bought two 10/10 keep'em cummin' ;)" until someone rational asks when the actual game will be fucking fixed.

>>377514121
God yer dum. He literally described an automation that actually exists in PoE in the post you replied to you fucking moron.
>craft button

>>377514931
>moving the goal posts this much
>this hard
>to a post made 15 minutes ago

>>377514468
>Level 58 is a passable level to be hitting Act 1 Merciless
That's the usual prime time to buy gear.
>Your shit gear isn't gonna handle -60% Resist well at all
>You probably has piddle for life
>You can readily get entry-level mapping gear on the cheap if this is early or mid-league
>Unless your RNG is pure trash you got enough currency to buy the stuff and maybe a big ticket item

>>377514813
As far as I understand they did 1 & 4
Basically
-extend legacy league
-races and such events
Parallel to the beta until 3.0 with the new league launches

>I've just spent 4 hours trying to buy items for my level 58
Why are you shopping for items before hitting maps?

>>377514737
>speed
speed what? at this point the game is still a faceroll.

>>377514376
And then they'll add 2 week leagues or daily races, like they always fucking do unannounced when they have to fill up time before the expansion release. They've done this shit since before 2.0. How new are you?

>playing ARPGs where you can't completely respec

Drones

>>377515049
Also forgot to mention your "speed up" seems to mean "lose 4 hours waiting for the trade" which is more than the time needed to end the game and reach the begining of the xp penalty

>>377514240
He might not have known what he wanted and he might have spent 10-20 minutes in between whispering various players, searching poe.trade for various types of gear before deciding on an item and attempting to initiate contact.

I've spent more time doing what he's done.

>>377515113
But you can

>>377515049
theres a big difference between having leveling gear, and not. a +1 tabula or those stupid exploding boots make leveling a "get through the zones asap" situation, but you dont have to grind dried lake at the end either

>>377510010
> NEETS pretending PoE is an alternative to Grim Dawn which is superior in every way

>>377515113
the only thing you cant respec is your ascendancy, but honestly if you pick the wrong one then you deserve to have to reroll

>>377515241
>in every way
>A game with no end-game is better than a game with a sizable one

>>377515306
> endless randomized dungeons with no good level layout are now an endgame

bitch pls

>>377515268
you can respec ascendancy points
costs 5 regrets per tho

>>377515268
>can't
You can respec an Ascendancy point for 5 Respec points in the same way you respec a tree point.
And to reset your Ascendancy itself, you have to de-allocate all Ascendancy points, run any difficulty/map Lab, and touch the Ascendancy altar.

>>377515181
>But you can
Wrong
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree

>our intention is that players who want to try substantially divergent character builds are encouraged to play a new character through the game, organically leveling it up rather than just respeccing into it.

You cannot fully respec and it's 100% fuck-face fan boy tier to say otherwise since the devs specifically say you cannot.

I swear GGG fanboys deserve worse than Blizzard drones.

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>>377514712
>broken game

Game seems to work fine to me. I haven't found any bugs that would prevent me from mapping. Please, tell me, what specifically about Path of Exile is broken?

>>377515407
>You cannot fully respec
Yes, yes you can. It's expensive as hell, but you can. Name precisely (1) thing you can't.

>>377515407
Yes, you can fully respec.
You don't have to link me to things. I play the game.

>>377515407
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Orb_of_Regret'

There is literally no limit on how many of them you can buy.

>>377515483
>Yes, yes you can. It's expensive as hell

Blizzard tier
>spending 40 hours to respec a toon
>legit option
Go fuck yourself

i'm sure you COULD fully respec, but the cost of doing so would be so absurdly ridiculous you'd have to spend more time farming the currency than it would've taken to just level up a new character.

>>377515570
see >>377515586

Fuck yourself.
It's cunts like you who trick people into playing this nonsense then cry about /v/ lying to them.

Disingenuous corporate dickriders the lot of you.

>>377515407
>are encouraged to

Read that part really carefully, mongoloid.

>>377515586
It doesn't cost real money.
Why do you even try anymore?
It's clear you know nothing about the game.

>>377511162
Malanon here.

london?

>>377515450
No passive trade system to sell your shit to other players while you play.

Until they add that, the game is literally broken.

>>377515682
>Read that part really carefully, mongoloid.
>40 hours is legit response to respec when it's quicker to just remake a toon

Fuck
You

>>377515669
It doesn't take 40 hours to buy 100 orbs of regret.
2 minutes tops.

I have completely respeced a character in under 10 minutes.

>GGG cocksuckers defending a shitty economic system and a retarded respec option

where were you when the drones arrived

>>377515742
i guess your definition of broken is just broken

>>377515848
>get btfo because your shitty "you can't fully respec" lie got called out
>spew salty shit all over

wew

>>377515407
But you can. I'm not sure about the number but in HC Legacy 1 orb of regret is roughly equal to one chaos orb, give or take. 100~ chaos orbs would not be impossible to get unless you are running a build that is very fragile without enough power or gimmicks to make it reliable in endgame content.

>>377515891
No, he's right. The game requires trading and the means of doing so is so limited the game is unplayable.

>>377515848
Respecs that don't have some sort of high cost are horrible and the worst thing to happen to ARPGs.
Nothing gets me bored quicker than limitless free/cheap respecs.

>>377510010
>my build is in Limbo, waiting for me to upgrade my gear
You're a dumb nigger. Why would you make a build like that you dumb fuck?

>>377515742
This.

>>377515972
Not really, no.
99.99% of all trades take 30 seconds.
>look for item
>whisper dude who put it up for the best price
>go to his hideout
>trade
>stay safe thanks

Not even 30 seconds for all of this.

The amount of shit GGG gets away with is insane. And the only reason it flies is because of the drones that flock to their defence whenever a negative comment about them is made.

>>377515972
so you can't get to map and endgame shit without trading ?
are you sure about that ?
because i'm pretty sure people have completed the content in solo self found

>>377515995
>I magically know how to play every game, the instant I download it

I bet you have a nunchuck collection .

>>377515742
A passive large-scale trading system would destroy the game. Gear would either be so cheap it's virtually valueless or incredibly fucking expensive.

The game is too big for it to have a global auction house.

>>377516082
Yeah we heard you here >>377515848

Sorry you got obliterated when people called you out on lying.
Don't let it get to you.

>>377515891
While he's not correct by the original definition of "broken," the game requires trading to not be a horrible grind-fest because item drop rates are awful, crafting is terrible, and divination cards are so mediocre it's better to just wait for boxes to drop the cards you want than farm a specific one.
The game outright forces you to trade if you want to be end-game viable over more than 1 or 2 builds.
And then when you make the trading system, which is mandatory for most player, total fucking garbage, your system as a whole is inherently flawed to a heavy degree.

>>377516114
It's a pretty common thing to create a shitty character in ARPGs.
You don't blame the trading system and quit when you do though, you just start over with what you learned.

>>377516176
Define "end-game viable", considering there are a ton of people who play solo self found which means no partying no trading

>shit economy
>shit leveling mechanic
>shit skills
>shit everything

>but it's ok cause it's free

>>377516247
Like I said, "end-game viable over more than 1 or 2 builds."

>>377516046
I love how you just leave out all of the time you spent prior to initiating that whisper browsing poe.trade and wadding through 7 afk players and 2 players who ignore you because they're in the labyrinth.

Pretending like you don't do that isn't fooling anyone who really plays this game. A player shouldn't have to go to a 3rd party website to play a fucking game.

>people actually defend the "4 stash tab" nonsense

Drones

>>377515972
>doing so is so limited the game is unplayable
No, you're just bad at it, period. If you're having trouble using poe.trade, you might have an actual disability, anon.

>>377510010
When you're buying something, you're supposed to go to the seller's hideout. Retard.

>>377516110
>because i'm pretty sure people have completed the content in solo self found

Right. Experienced players who have leveled 3-5 toons trading while they learn the game. No one does that on their first playthrough

>>377516308
I don't disagree, it shouldn't rely on a third party site.
You still exaggerate the amount of times that happens though. The vast majority of trades go through right away and instantly.

>>377516431
To be fair though, this is in hardcore.
if you're a softcore baby then I can't speak for that, I guess that shitty ass mode would have botters and chink farmers

why does GGG get a pass for being shit but D3 is crucified for existing?

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So first time playing this game. I am level 30 and my witch will be a Necromancer when I unlock that dumb temple.

bad idea?

>>377516140
>A passive large-scale trading system would destroy the game.

Nope. It emphatically wouldn't. It would be a vast improvement. The improvement to the game a passive trading system would bring to the game is so fucking obvious I'm forced to conclude your a fucking retard for believing it wouldn't.

Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be to collect (You)s?

>>377516351
>Control+f "stash"
>1 result
Nobody defends that shit.
>Every League prior to the consolidated Leagues change featured interesting mechanics that either made the game more challenging, allowed you to have an easier access to loot, or both
>Every League after (Talisman forwards) features a item you have to collect to experience the full League mechanics
>The Currency Tab can hold every drop of Currency a player may amass over the course of a given League plus 4 random Currency items and an extra item, leaving plenty of room for everything else
>While F2P Players have their 4 tabs flooded to the cap if they want to enjoy a League

>>377516580
Nah, Necromancer is so decent that it's one of the most run builds in hardcore SSF. Summon Raging Spirits is really cheap to use, but beyond that I'm not sure what minions are popular.

>>377510641
>enjoy your bots and farmers
Thats already what is happening lol. The game is shit nowadays anyway. They waited too long to make trade fun and since trading is part of the core game experience many people left the game years ago.

Now they pander to super casuals and diablofied the game to make up for the lost players.

>>377516552
PoE is worlds better than D3.
D3's seasons are so mindnumbingly boring, they never do anything new.
The game gets no new content, no major patches, nothing.

It's dead.
Doesn't even have a /vg/ general anymore, that's how dead Diablo 3 is. Every single person who was even remotely good at it and pushed went to PoE.

>shills from /vg/ are loose

Getting double time at least?

>>377516385
no one should have to use poe.trade. The fact that poe.trade even exists is a testament to the demand for an in-game passive trading system.

>auction house would ruin the game
>just pretend poe.trade isn't an auction house

>>377516713
>Now they pander to super casuals and diablofied the game to make up for the lost players.
The fuck are you talking about?
Have you even killed the shaper on HC yet?

>>377516268
It's ok because you can just stop playing. You didn't pay $60 so it's not like you lost anything other than time.

>>377516552
blizz doesn't really give a fuck about d3. necro was part of a planned expansion, but got stripped down into dlc.

>>377510010
>buying items at lvl 58
what the fuck is your build nigga

>>377516594
An Auction House is such an incredibly horrible system that even Blizzard had to do away with it.
It simply won't work outside of MMOs.

MMOs have small-ish server of a few thousand people each, it's a pretty small economy. You're talking about hundreds of thousands of people trading at the same time. The market is going to be flooded so incredibly hard that it'll get destroyed. Things will either be so abundant that they have no value or they'll be worth too much for most people to buy.

>>377516881
>had to do away with it
A real-money auction house is an incredibly horrible system.

>>377510150
tree of savior is trash
even for an mmo

>adding 6 fucking acts instead of fixing the fucking game

>>377516881
That's why they shouldn't add an auction house, but a merchant npc you can put in your hideout that people can buy from
Would do away with the people ignoring you because they can't be assed to get out of their map for 1 chaos or they're in the lab right now or whatever

>>377516881
poe.trade IS path of exile's auction house. The game literally has one. It already exists.

The fact that poe.trade was built an the vast majority of players use it is the proof that your claim is wrong.

>>377516552
GGG didn't take a beloved IP and shit all over it.

>>377516939
Both auction houses were removed. Do you know why? It's because so many people have access to it that you either gimp the shit out of drop rates or you end up with a useless auction house. Why do you think the drop rate for gear was so abyssmaly low vanilla D3? It was balanced around the AH.

>>377510010
Game is fucking amazing, but it ends up ruined at mid-higher levels because trading is retarded as shit.

>"yeah we don't add an auction house because we favor banter, player interaction, and no bots :)"
>implement an API so external auction house apps can be made
>99.99% of the population use it
>"@TurboFag9k Hi, I would like to buy your Dumb Gay Ass Shit listed for 50 chaos in Legacy (stash tab "Unique"; position: left 1, top 1)"
>shitload of bots and fake listings trying to game the system

Nice banter, player interaction and no bots you guys.

>tfw low life ES triple curse essence drain + contagion

One of the most fun builds I had

>numale D2 with microtransactions

>>377517073
>gimp the shit out of drop rates
GGG has already done this. So bring on the auction house.

>>377510010
you dont need to buy gear to beat cruel malachai desu senpai

>>377516990
It isn't that we don't know. It's that we don't agree with you.

If you don't like how we've implemented trading in our game, leave.

>>377516990
well instead of having to go through four acts thrice, you'll only need to go through the game once

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>>377510010
fucking crybaby, go back to blizzard and others mmo that have auction/mail system.
Why aren't you doing something else ?
If you got to lv 58, you can at least chaos farm untill they respond you.
Happens to me too, just suck it and move on.

The game is fun, the only part i dont enjoy when you make a useless a dodge build and the game doesn't forgive you nor give you a chance to deviate from the DEF HP/ES cycle. Getting one shooted several times makes me rage so much i cant play anymora

>>377517050
Poe.trade isn't the same as an auction house.
Poe.trade is still a hassle to use without premium stash tabs and even if you own premium stash tabs, your items take up space, limiting the amount of shit you can sell.

>>377517160
It is not comparable to vanilla D3 in any way.

>>377516792
I disagree completely. Poe.trade is an addition to the game, not the game itself, adding in an actual auction house would be like admitting that the game needs trading to enable it's core gameplay.

I'd rather have them take a route in which they re-balance the game to the point where trading is seen as an option, a niche, rather than a mandatory thing you have to go through in order for the average build to be even remotely viable in the endgame.

>>377515373
I like the game and agree with this. I was hoping for MXL levels of end-game but they just gave us maps again. Really disappointing.

>>377516881
>An Auction House is such an incredibly horrible system that even Blizzard had to do away with it.

RMT AH =! IGC AH

>>377517319
mxl had some good randomization done. Taht's how it SHOULD have been.

Then again mxl's loot still shits over GD.

I was so dissapointed when they announced that 'brother laz' would be creating items for PoE and PoE is so fucking shit item wise.

That said, I haven't played that dull, gray, desyncing, rmb spam, unimaginative gear, boring skill tree, piece of trash for 2 years, so maybei t's less shit now

What people that spend 4 hours trying and failing to buy a single item aren't telling you is that they're really just massive jews that refuse to buy anything but the lowest cost listed item and aren't willing to adhere to supply and demand and buy one of the 50 other listings that are priced for slightly more

>>377517362
Blizzard removed both.

>playerbase praises drop & equip systems; builds are diverse
>overwhelming majority of legendary drops are worthless

>>377510010
>play obscure build that is reliant on specific key items
>complain that people are not willing to trade it

this is why I play SSF, ya'll niggas lost sight of what this genre is about

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>>377517304
If an addition to the game created by a third party is used by 90% of your player base, the existence of that addition is a testament to what is missing from your game design.

GGG is pic related. They are literally too proud to admit they are wrong about this.

>>377515268
>the only thing you cant respec is your ascendancy
you can do that
unspec all your ascendancy points (costs 5 regrets each), then run the lab again and use the altar to select a new ascendancy

>>377517470
This is PoE thread, not a D3 thread.

>>377516405
>i should just win the game with no knowledge whatsoever on my first shot
yea anon you're right sorry
maybe d3 is more your speed after all

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>>377517493
cookie cutter builds ?
fuck you
more of cuckie cuck build, am i right ?
cmon /v/, roast him

>>377517520
>unspec all your ascendancy points (costs 5 regrets each)

That's a lot of fucking currency when you could do it willynilly in other ARPGs.

>>377517493
I would play SSF but then I have to make do with what I find, which most likely will just be a bunch of shit

If anything SSF clearly showed that accessibility of current trading system need to be toned down.
>leveling till dried lake
> buying build defining uniques
>roflstomp mid-tier maps
>buying end game uniques
>roflstomp guardians and shaper
Nice gear progression you have here.

>>377517568
>dismissing someone instead of arguing the point

D3 is your game lad.

>>377517496
This. So much this it's blatantly obvious.

Anyone who disagrees with this is probably a GGG developer shilling. It's just so obviously true.

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>>377517701
>roflstomp

>>377515586
>>377515669
regrets arent expensive though. 1.4 chaos in legacy sc right now. depending on your character level, it will take anywhere between 80 and 120 regrets to fully unspec your passive tree, so roughly 150 chaos for a full respec, or ~1.5 exalts.

not the cheapest thing to do, but far from being prohibitively expensive.

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>>377517304
>would be like admitting that the game needs trading to enable it's core gameplay.

THE GAME LITERALLY NEEDS TRADING TO ENABLE IT'S CORE GAMEPLAY

Never really understood this. Every time I message someone on poe trade they always respond. In the rare occasion they dont I move on to the next one.

Are you sure you have it set to online only? Also 1 chaos isnt very much, probably didnt feel like leaving their maps for 1c

>>377517653
so?
note how your complaint already changed from
>it can't be done! it's impossible!
to
>it's kind of expensive! it should be free instead!

>>377517740
Well technically, there is another option they could do to fix the game.
Improve drop rates and remove trading as a whole so everyone can reliably get what they need for a build within a passable time-frame.
Also on a side-note, it still baffles me how stupidly strong Unique Flasks are.
>The #1 Unique item used across both SSF and regular play was Atziri's Promise

>>377517848
>regrets arent expensive though
>uses chaos as the standard

Yea not everyone plays this shit like you neckbeard. Some of us have lives and jobs.

>>377517848
I don't consider that expensive.

>>377517948
>so?

If you can't see the point I'm not educating you.

Goddamn do I hate this game and its playerbase.

>>377518121
Name a game with a good playerbase

The same can be said for literally every game

>>377517304
>would be like admitting that the game needs trading to enable it's core gameplay.

You work for GGG, don't you. GGG is literally the only entity that believes trading isn't a core aspect of game play. Literally every player believes otherwise and GGG absolutely refuses to agree.

>>377517304
>adding in an actual auction house would be like admitting that the game needs trading to enable it's core gameplay
Come on now, the game really thrives on trading, there's no denying that.
I agree with the second part of your post, especially because of SSF, that mode should have increased drop rate somehow, either just an outright increase across the board or through new gameplay mechanics, or both.

>>377518121
Why?

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>>377518224
Eve Online.

It literally has a built in idiot filter. You won't interact with stupid people at all in the Eve Online game environment, assuming you're smart enough to play it.

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>>377516812
>HC mode
>the definition of casual and bad design where people play OP builds and disconnect with the press of a button to save their ass from the bullshit the developers throw at you sometimes to make you die
Maybe actually play the game before you try to make a point?

>>377510010
assuming you're playing on the league (Legacy SC I assume) it's because we're so far into the league that a lot of players have quit or just log in to do a few trades/dailies and then go AFK for extended periods of time. Leagues are always way more active during the first month or so, you can practically complete 100% of your trades, but by the third month of a league you're lucky if you can complete 25% of your trades. That's just how it is.

>>377510645
Adding an auction house would completely destroy the market forcing them to increase the rarity of a number of items thus destroying the player experience.

>>377518281
>game really thrives on trading

No it doesn't. You can just grind everything you need. You just consider the opportunity cost for doing so too high. GGG clearly disagrees with your opportunity cost assessment and they believe you should spend 70 hours a week playing their game.

So is PoE immune from criticism because it's free?

>>377518619
Yes.

>>377518613
>You just consider the opportunity cost for doing so too high. GGG clearly disagrees with your opportunity cost assessment and they believe you should spend 70 hours a week playing their game.

One of their main devs has been playing the same standard character for like 7 years

>>377518613

GGG and you, the dick-riding fan boy.

>>377518438
What exactly is complicated about EVE, I've only put a couple hundred hours in but the game was simple enough

>>377518619
No, not at all. There are many criticisms about the game across all its parts, ranging from shit balance to "stash tabs are P2W" to "trading shouldn't be mandatory" and so on and so forth. Personally, I feel they push out far too much Microtransactions instead of giving Unique items that have been in the game for ages proper 3D art.

>>377517304
They added a special query system specifically to allow this allegedly-not-officially-supported third-party definitely-not-official services to get access to the relevant data more easily, and to get access to data that're not normally accessible (public stash tab contents).

>>377518582
Path of Exile already has an auction house. It's called poe.trade.

see >>377517496

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>2011+6
>not playing Path of Diablo

ishygddt

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>>377518718
>look at me. I'm really really smart.

>>377517496

If I was the guy who made poe.trade I would stack it with as many ads as I could

>>377518768
Yes, but it's not an automated process and you still have to interact with people. If they ever made it an automated process the market would die.

>>377518863
GGG won't let him.

They have a gentleman's agreement.

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>>377518768
>Path of Exile already has an auction house. It's called poe.trade.

savage

>>377518768
>>377517496

I've never thought of it this way. This is an interesting perspective.

>>377510475
>>377510768
They actually did a FAQ post a while ago where one of the devs said trading is shit because it's designed to be shit.

>>377515586
>>377515756
>>377516405
>>toon

>>377518613
>they believe you should spend 70 hours a week playing their game.
And I disagree with their beliefs so I just quit playing long ago.
It's a shame, it really is a great game, but there's a limit on the bullshit I'm willing to swallow.

>>377518848

so, what's your argument again?

>>377518619
PoE deserves criticism as much as any other game, but people blow small problems out of proportion and treat them like game-ruining things. People still talk about how the game has no build diversity and how you aren't allowed to go outside the meta when there are actually very few skills that can't run maps with competency with average self-found gear.

>>377518934
I would say fuck the agreement, if you got a problem with me putting 20 ads on the front page make your own fucking auction house

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>>377517950
i use chaos as the standard because chaos IS the standard currency used for most trading.
you can use exalts too but they're rare, expensive, and only used to trade really high value shit or flip currency.

>Yea not everyone plays this shit like you neckbeard. Some of us have lives and jobs.

i got like 40 hours of total playtime on my character in legacy league, at least 20 of which i spent leveling. barely made it into yellow maps and havent done uber lab yet, but it's still good enough to gather over a hundred chaos from the few shitty maps i did so far. probably got an additional ~100c worth of random shit lying around in other currency items and various uniques, maps and essences in the other stash tabs, but cant be bothered to sort through and sell it all.

keep in mind that i'm playing a really shity tornado shot ranger with a 4link lioneyes, so i've been going very slow and wasting a lot of time on dumb deaths and low clearspeed. with a proper build you can get a lot more shit done in a lot less time, and thus get a LOT more currency than i did.

tl;dr a few hundred chaos really isn't a big deal unless you're a massive retard

>>377519040
I wasn't arguing. I was mocking.
>not so smart after all

>>377518925
>interact with people
>@SpergLordKILLER2000 Hi, I would like to buy your Faggotry listed for 12 exalted in Legacy (stash tab "Crap"; position: left 3, top 6)

>>377519052
>but people blow small problems out of proportion and treat them like game-ruining things
Economy is not a small problem
>>377519160
Your entire post is irrelevant when SSF is a legit thing GGG recognizes

>>377519214
You forgot:
>I offer 4C

>>377519083
Poe.trade uses images and trademarks that are protected by copyright.

>>377519245
I see, that does make sense.

>>377519160
>thinking this screenshot does anything but poise more questions

It's your fault you playing at the end of a league.

>>377519214
>>377519243
You forgot:
>I offer 4C in Transmutation orbs
>>377519312
Pose.

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>don't drop an ex by merc
>immediately fucked out of any fun because the game is actually an economics simulator with a loot grinding minigame

The lack of a proper trading/currency system really takes the fun out of this game.

>>377519214
>get party invite
>go to ho
>open trade window
>drop your shit
>get your new shit
>leave party
>leave hideout
HOLY SHIT SO MUCH PLAYER INTERACTION AND BANTER THE COMMUNITY SURE IS ALIVE!!

>trading is mandatory

i managed to get top2000 on the HCSSF Ladder.

I never even played this game much beforehand

>>377517496
/thread

>game is broken because the developers are too egotistical to admit they are wrong about trading
>6 new acts will not fix this problem, just lipstick on a pig.

>>377519489
You're not wrong. I made it to level 92 this league with three 6l items and finally killed shaper.

I've traded thousands of times on this character but I dont think I ever once interacted with another player beyond opening the trade window in their hideout

>>377519435
I agree with you completely.

Gonna propose some logic here that might seem wrong to some of you, but please - PLEASE - think about the following before replying:

IF you do not like the game, DO NOT play the game.

>>377519583
/thread

>>377519228
if youre talking about SSF then the market price of regrets is completely irrelevant in the first place.
you can still use vendors to get regrets at a rate of 8 fuses per regret, which is roughly twice as expensive as the player market rate, but this just sucks ass. then again, giving up easy access to convenient stuff kind of is the point of SSF so i'm not sure what you're complaining about

>>377519169

by taking this attitude you imply the game is indeed hard, and i'd like to know why do you think that.

>>377517917
It's late into the league, people can't be bothered to leave their map for 1c.

POE became path of clear speed, where monsters don't even matter anymore, since they'll die before they can even turn around. They could literally be replaced with destroyable damage tiles and nobody would notice the difference. And people will go out of their way to ignore any content that makes them pay attention or backtrack. They hardly pay attention to any drops at all anymore because running as much brain dead linear content in the shortest amount of time is the best way to get anywhere. People even hardcore do these crap while watching TV, because that's how much attention the game requires.

Monsters are literally more dangerous while dead because of all the bullshit side mechanics. With each version fucking over melee characters more and more.

The only way to be viable to pretty much make everything focus into one skill that you spam like its the only thing you know how to do. Diablo-like ARPGs are known for spamming singular skill but POE takes that to another level.

Evasion and Armor are death traps that are tit on zombies useless when developers keep on setting up situations for one shot to keep up with the retarded amount of power creep. The only way to survive is stack HP/ES. So the overwhelming vast majority of your points goes into HP investments and big HP on gear investments. Except Energy Shield scales so much better than HP its not even funny and all of the downsides could easily be circumvented.

POE's amount of RNG makes other free to play's RNG look tame. Pretty much everything you do involves RNG checks. Crafting is literally the biggest noob trap, because that shit is reserved for the super rich that hates currency.

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>>377519757
How does one know whether or not they like the game without playing it first?

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>>377516881
>An Auction House is such an incredibly horrible system that even Blizzard had to do away with it.
I want to punch you

>>377519435
>relying on ex drops for making currency

>>377519757
No. I am bad at this game, so I'm going to complain about how I think the game is unfair and should be balance around my incompetence. GGG should balance around what I think is fun.

>>377519970
Make your argument.

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>>377519821
forgot pic
vendor exchange rates are shitty, but they exist
if you really want to respec and feel the need to stick to your SSF autism, feel free to pick up and vendor a fuckton of rares for low currency that you can trade in for regrets later

>x-box one port

FOR WHAT, FUCKING, PURPOSE !?

>>377519842
>look at how smart I am

>>377519917
You forgot:
>We're nerfing the maximum amount of ES a person can reliably get
>But if you invest hard, you can still get 15K HP
>Where an HP build will have 10K
At least the Vaal Pact change means the "Blue Life" meta is dead.

>>377517862
Yes, no shit. What I'm saying is that I don't want GGG to embrace it, but rather FIX IT. Trading is a nice side activity, but grinding chaos just to buy a build-enabling item because it's the only reasonable way to get it is an inherently unsatisfying design.

>>377520129
HP builds don't have to sacrifice an implicit on their gear for their healthpool and such get the added benefit of being able to either ignore small amounts of damage or die to RNG, oh and potions that heal 15% of your healthpool.

>>377519228
There's nothing particularly wrong with the game's economy, though. Poe.trade is clunky and there are people that abuse listings to bait people into underpricing their items, but it beats the alternative of market oversaturation from an auction house that we saw in D3.

>>377517496
>If an addition to the game created by a third party is used by 90% of your player base, the existence of that addition is a testament to what is missing from your game design.

OMG this. It's so fucking obviously true that the only way GGG can't see it is ego.

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>>377519978
>just grind sets for chaos orbs in dried lake all day
>better pony up for some more stash space, goyim

>>377520337
>potions that heal 15% of your healthpool
Irrelevant when you can just leech back all your lost HP in 1 second.

>>377520381
fuck dried lake
grind the highest (shaped) map you can comfortably clear, make money from selling excess map drops

>>377520340
The existence of poe.trade IS what's wrong with the game's economy. It exists solely because GGG refuses to admit their game needs a better trade system.

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>>377519917
>Crafting is literally the biggest noob trap, because that shit is reserved for the super rich that hates currency.

This is easily the dumbest fucking thing about PoE.

>here's all of these consumables you can use to improve your equipment
>but you're never going to use them because they also double as the only currency in the game

>>377520412
True, unless you're totem or trap based.
HP has its advantages, but they're just tiny compared to a gigantic health pool and chaos immunity.

>>377520078

I love it when kids realize they've lost an argument so they throw around petty insults to feel better about themselves.

>>377520556
I use them all the time.

The problem is, most players don't know how to use suffix/prefix cannot be changed mod.

>>377520556
If they weren't currency they would still have a value based on their rarity and effect you fucking mongoloid.
You'd still be crafting with currency.

>>377520090

best part is the 4 flask mechanic

>>377520664
>use suffix/prefix cannot be changed mod

This motherfucker knows how to craft.

>>377520556
>because they also double as the only currency in the game
>and we made their actual use of making gear not shit based purely on random chance with distribution trended hard towards the shittier results, so there's zero reason to ever use them unless you are levelling and need a filler rare when you found a nicely-socketed white*
>>377520508
>excess map drops
Fun fact, research has been done and it seems that doing content at odd-hours when not as many people are on yields more Map drops and overall better drops. Do you know what this says about GGG's loot allocation system?
They allocate loot on a per-server basis every X minutes/hours/whatever based on average server concurrency and it only rewards those who either get stupid lucky or autistically grind all hours of the day.

>>377520340
>it beats the alternative of market oversaturation from an auction house that we saw in D3
I'd say poe.trade is already oversaturated as well.
I'd go further say most if not the "problems" people bring up with a hypothetical AH are already present in poe.trade really, the only difference with a real AH is the inconvenience.

>>377520664
I've been playing the game for nearly 2 years and I still don't know what those mods are for.

>>377520556
Play SSF. It feels so good when you make your own items.

>>377520664
>You need level 8 Masters to even begin crafting
>>377520905
Inhibits the modifiers that can roll on an item. If you get an item with 2 or 3 good Prefixes and shit Suffixes, you get Haku's Level 8 Meta-mod on it and Chaos it.

>>377520340
>market oversaturation

I'd rather have everything be worthless than have to pony up 60c for one build-enabling item.

>>377520905
Quit being lazy. You should have read this by now.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Crafting

>>377521142
typical PoE cunt

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>>377520556
>start playing game on a new league with a veteran friend
>get like 5-6 chaos dropped the first 1-2 hours somehow
>according to description and apparent high drop assume these will be common as shit
>get rare ring
>"I bet I can get better stats!"
>burn almost all chaos on it
>finally get slightly better ring
>tell my friend
>his face when

>>377520854
Exactly this. AH is not the solution, it's just a way of alleviating the pain of the terrible itemization. I don't give a shit whether or not the devs put in an AH or not, just re-balance the drop rates and make it so that going to the AH is not always the go-to answer when you want a specific item.

>>377521232
>Someone tries to help you, and you call them a cunt

>>377521307
Except then they couldn't push their RMT side-business. Shit drops are how they make all their money.

>>377510010
I've played this game years and never traded once
why do you play like this?

>>377510910
>Crafting with magical orbs of unholy economy is somehow similar to hammering away at a forge

Nigger what?
It's fucking magic, you can't "craft" a single thing in the game in the way you describe.

>>377521397
Because getting actual decent gear that caps your resists, or getting that one unique for your build is fucking statistically impossible without trading

>>377521379
>Shit drops are how they make all their money.
Explain.

>>377521309

I'm sorry that you recognize your behavior is worthy of being labeled a "cunt"

>>377520835
You know what else it means?
Assuming it's true, even if they didn't it would still only reward those who either get lucky or autistically grind all hours of the day. That's how odds work, idiot.

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>>377521232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBG3zEEhAvw

>>377519489
The point is not the player interaction / social part. The point is that it adds friction to the global economy, making it a middle ground between ease of trading and devaluating everything (D3 AH implementation)

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>>377521379
Jesus anon, not even I'm that paranoid.

>>377521520
>Shit RNG means people are more incentivized to RMT because they can just straight-buy whatever they want
>Generate items, give them to Chinese botters a little while after people start hitting specific content gates, Merciless Dried Lake and Maps being the big 2
>Make a smooth killing while they "stomp out" the RMTing Chinese Botters who flood every chat

>>377521307
There are so many items that if they implemented the outcome you want every third mob would drop a unique.

>>377521543
Except if they didn't, a person has equal odds of getting something worthwhile at all hours of the day.
If they do, a person has massively improved odds of getting something worthwhile if they play while most of a given server is asleep.

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>>377520045
You already got your answer from >>377516939 & >>377517362

Nublizzard only wanted to make (more) money, thats why they tied the whole game to the action house. PoE should have never been online with the whole game tied to trading.

>>377519917
Just because people like Etup or Alkaizer etc. push the ladder with max clear speed doesn't mean you have to.

Hell, most of /v/ wouldn't even be good enough to make it to level 90 across an entire league.

>>377510010
>Falling for Chris Wilson's tricks

>>377521865
>Chris Wilson, the tricky trickster doing his magic tricks

>>377521657
Is there any evidence for this or is it a conspiracy theory?

>>377510010
>During these 4 hours I haven't killed any mobs because my build is in Limbo,
This is where you're doing it wrong OP.
Just slap shit on and go do stuff while perioticly sending messages. You got to 58 with your build, you can make it to 70.

I'll never understand people that just idle and wait and get super ass ravaged when they don't get their instant gratification. Do other shit at the same time man.

>>377521397
I love the idea of SSF and rerolling with interesting niche builds based on cool uniques I find

But then it turns out that every unique I find needs another unique, and I'm not going to fucking farm 1000 Goathide Gloves to chance a Hrimsorrow for my wacky gimmick build

>>377521613
So, it's just as I thought. They actually think poe.trade is a step down, not up.

Fucking oblivious.

>>377521628
It's a well known fact that GGG is behind most, if not all, the RMT of the game.

There's an specific case in Torment league i think it was, in which after 1 week RMT'ers were already selling fucking Acuity in HC league, when NO ONE did uber atziri at the time, suspicious as fuck.

>>377521494
>statistically impossible without trading
https://www.poebuilds.io/builds/hcssf?page=1

>>377521613
Whoever wrote that is a fucking moron.

>>377521851
PoE is a free game, if it weren't online it literally wouldn't exist right now. The devs can't sell anything that I couldn't simply mod in.
Also D3 had a normal AH aswell, which also got removed and here is why. Auction Houses won't work in games that don't have relatively small servers. They won't work if every single person that plays the game has access to the same one unless you gimp the drop rates so much that playing the game becomes a chore. Like for example, Diablo 3.

>>377522053
Poe.trade is a shortcircuit to the gameplay loop. Of course they consider it a step down.

>>377522161
>>377522053
Nice arguments

>>377522143
Explain to me how you know no one has done it without resorting to

>non of the streamers have done it
>no one on reddit told me they've done it

>>377521953
Conspiracy theory entirely.
However, it is a logical possibility if they're entirely working for the money, which has been shown repeatedly that they are.
>P2W Stash Tabs
>All new Leagues feature a new item in one for or another that fills your inventory and stash space
>Divination Cards do nothing but flood inventory space, having shittier drop rates than the fraction of the item they represent
>Produce tons of armor, weapon, and skill MTX instead of filling out the repertoire of Unique Items that lack 3D Art
>MTX boxes

>>377521613
This is what happens whey you have a group of people with no economic background create a game with an extensive economy.

>>377522148
>grinding shaped strand 24/7 for gear
>get that one build enabling unique after 2 weeks of grinding
haha! sure proved them wrong :^)

>>377522195

Oh look it's another post that dismisses any and all of PoE's faults because it's free

>>377521613
link?

>>377521494
>>377522012

I've maxed level with fucking heavy strike melee splash, the game is average difficulty without any uniques

you guys just want your super fast clear speed bullshit builds

>>377522339
Well, yeah he did. The dude said it was statistically impossible.

>>377522291
You do know that when someone enters a place for the first time, there's a server-wide communication, right?

iirc, at that time, the first guy that got into uber atziri did it after little more than 2 weeks.

>>377522223
I've already made my arguments. Not my fault /v/ doesn't have Ids.

>>377522339
>not enjoying grinding in arpg

>>377522394
I'm not dismissing it's faults, I'm stating facts.
I own stash tabs. I wouldn't own stash tabs if I could mod them in, most people wouldn't.
The game would be dead on arrival.

>>377522451
There may be private exploits to spawn / modify items as well as private duping. It would explain why RMT have the items without actually farming the place.

>>377522195
As much as the f2p online model helped PoE come into existence it also killed the game. Party play is shit, trading is shit, there is no point in multiplayer here.

They have to add more and more content, bloating up the fucking game, to make a living. Powercreep fucking the game hard. There is no excuse, no excuse to the central point of your game, trading, being shit as motherfucking gay.

If it was like Diablo 2 and Torchlight 2 they could have focused on fixing the fucking problems the game has.

>>377522445
I'm sorry, your average player doesn't play poe 200 hours a week to get a single relevant piece of gear
For them it is statistically impossible. You get maybe 10-20 uniques leveling to up to maps, most of which are gonna be below Level 30 and unusable.
But please keep telling me how I'm wrong cos I don't power autist the game

>>377522432
>I've maxed level
You do realize that maxing level is not equivalent to "completing" the game, right?

>>377521613
Jesus. Never have I seen a game developer with his head so far up his ass. What an idiot.

>>377522432
Yeah, I'm just fucking flying through those fucking maps with a Hrimburn build, retard

God help us if I ever get a hold of a fucking Facebreaker

>>377522603
Yes, there's always that chance, still fishy how GGG can't get a grip on the ways since the whole game is server-based, they can literally check on any account and log in any game and see what's going on with it, but they don't for some reason.

>>377522492
This isn't an idle game. 2 weeks of grinding for the one thing you outright need for a build is utterly absurd. And while it's purely hypothetical and should reasonably take less time, not even having a reliable way to grind specific items, such as increased drop rate of items relating to Shavronne from Shavronne and her map forms is a terrible thing.
>Divination cards
Have abysmal drop rates to the point it's actually more efficient to completely ignore them and wait for a Divination card box, which is terrible game design in itself.

>>377522662
Another nice argument as to why they should add an auction house

>>377522642
You don't need to grind 200hrs to get a single relevant piece of gear. You need to grind 200hrs to get a the specific unique for the specific build you want, That's two very different concepts. I reached end-game SSF plenty of times playing casually with the rares I had.

>>377522451
That may or may not have slipped my mind.
It's not direct evidence, but it sure is fishy.

>>377522634
I really wouldn't call the constant content they've added over the years bloat. A lot of it is pretty fucking good and probably wouldn't ever have come out if the game wasn't f2p with microtransactions.

Also what's wrong with powercreep in a game where it's players vs the game. Pretty sure powercreep is also known as expansion in diablo-clones.

>>377520556
you didnt get the crafting system at all i see

>>377521613
>the next question is how easy should that trade be
>we believe it should be difficult

That person should be fired. They should literally lose their job for saying that.

>>377522872
That's what I was referring to though, relevant unique gear.

>>377522948
Did you not understand what he is saying?

If you make trading as easy as clicking on an AH, then you end up with the problem that Diablo 3 had back then.
99.999% of all items are worth zero and the top 0.001% are unaffordable.

That is true. Had you played D3 you would know this.

>>377522872
>implying uniques are the only thing people grind for
>says he hit endgame with rares, but doesn't actually say what the build is

>>377523037
>If you make trading as easy as reality, then everything gets skewed horribly
Hmm.

>>377522406
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1870097

>>377521613
>being able to trade items is critical to the success of an Action RPG
never was never is, they just happened to make the big mistake to tie the whole game to it

Diablo 1 & 2, never traded, ever. Was the best singeplayer times of my life playing these games.


I know why they don't want trading to be easy and comfortable, it is pretty obvious. They even confessed to it kinda ahahaha

>Progression is trivilased

The game would fall apart quickly because the items are in no way shape or form balanced but that doesn't excuse trading being shit and getting to the fun part of the game being a chore.

>>377521613
What a fundamentally poor understanding of economics.

This really explains a lot.

>>377523118
>If I buy something from Ebay it's instantly at my porch without someone having to package, go to the post office, send it and have the post office bring it to my house

You are truly a mongoloid.

>>377523037
that's what npc vendors are for, anon

PoE is only free if your time has no value.

>>377523351
For what?

>>377523370
Everything takes it's toll

>>377523370
>Picking wild blueberries is only free if your time has no value

>>377523037
You don't fix that problem by making trade difficult. You fix that problem by adjusting drop rates.

>>377523319
We have an actual example of a developer adding a proper auction house to this exact same genre and we know what it caused.

So either
a) that was a fluke
b) you're wrong
c) real life economics don't really apply to diablo-clones.

>>377523370
Damn I lost a lot of money on /v/ and 4chan in general, could probably buy myself a nice summer house somewhere

>>377523442
>RMAH
>"""proper"""

>>377523370

This triggers the NEETs

>>377523037
>definitely not an economics major.

>>377523442
>d3 auction house
>proper

If anything, the closest we have to a proper trading system would be the GE from Runescape.

>>377523431
Blizzard did this.
You know what happens if you balance your drop rates around a few hundred thousands people constantly playing your game? You make it so incredibly low that your average player is more likely to buy 90% of his gear than to ever find an upgrade really early into the game.

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>>377520664
Or, you know, they'd rather just buy a decent/good item with the 2 exalted orbs it fucking costs to wipe the suffixes once.

You only start doing that by the time you're already decked out in gear costing +10 exalted

>>377523442
Correlation equals causation all over the place

It wasn't the addition of the auction house that caused that problem. It was a lack of adjusting drop rates after the auction house was implemented that caused it.

>>377523240
They want you to force you to see other characters so whales have a reason to buy MTX.

>>377523586
what's the name of this purple hair bitch?, she has some amazing doujins but I never remember her name

>>377523501
>D3 only had RMAH
>the normal AH was fine so blizzard left it in the game
>someone please rape my face

>>377523552
The normal AH in Diablo 3 was literally the most proper form of an AH. You put shit on it instantly, it has a search functions with filters, it takes a cut and you buy shit from it instantly.

>>377521613
He is right. Fuck that whiny AH crowd.

>>377523559
Blizzard did it wrong.

Eve online makes trading extremely easy and it has a prolific economy.

>>377523667
Dagashi Kashi is the cartoon and grill is Hotaru

>>377523685
You're probably the guy who wrote that crap.

Pay for Diablo 3. The only reason Path of Exile has any players at all is that it's free. Diablo 3 is the objectively superior game.

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>>377523775
thank you

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>>377523856
>objectively superior game
>has no general

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>>377523856
*thinking*