Final Fantasy XV/Versus XIII

>>377501620
>わたしもです
>た
fuck that font

>>377501620
More open world less edgy

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>>377501620
> Estella
> Boring, typical Final Fantasy female design
>Lunafreya
> Actual unique and memorable design
> Using Nintendo exclusive memes on a Square Enix game

>>377502053
How the heck was Stella typical FF? She was anything but since her look was contemporary fashion than anime. Luna's design is typical FF.

I just don't get why Versus didn't materialize. Wasn't Nomura assigned to it full-time?

>>377502313
She looks like a rejected Final Fantasy X character. She has that disgusting half jap like most FFX/Advent Children women characters do.
The only thing interesting going on with Estella is that she was the, allegedly, villain of the story or supposed foil to Noctis.

>>377501620
One looked interesting in trailers
The other looked boring and uninspired

One had fantastically directed trailers with perfectly synced music
The other had horribly directed trailers

Tabata is shit just like his games and his trailers.

Ps: Xv-kun is a faggot.

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>>377501620
Fuck off with this outdated meme image bullshit.

Stella wasn't a princess, she was just a noble women from Tenebrae. Luna is a princess from Tenebrae.
Both Luna and Stella have the same hair length, Luna only wears her hair up sometimes.
Stella was not a reluctant villain, she wasn't even a villain. She was said as being someone who Noctis and Stella have to fight even though they don't want to, which puts her more like a rival.

Luna is shown as being more powerful than Stella because Luna has actually been shown doing something against something, Stella was shown doing literally nothing but either talking or holding a summoned sword for 5 seconds. Luna fought back against Leviathan on her own with the summoned Trident and can use powerful light magic.

What abilities does Stella have? Summoning a sword (which even Prompto can do)?

Stella has no importance towards anything because she wasn't even important to Noctis, she was someone he just met for 2 minutes then suddenly they have to fight. Luna is his childhood friend and if it wasn't for Luna then Nocits never would have succeeded in stopping the starscourge. And her presence even in just her Leviathan scene is more than anything Stella ever did. Hell even her appearance in the Omen trailer is showing Luna do more than Stella ever did, same as her in Kingsglaive too.

As for your question my impression of XV was it kept all the good things from XV while adding more good things on top of that.

>>377503452
Fuck off XV-kun, kill yourself.

>>377502618
Her design doesn't pander to FFX's design language at all so Idk how you're saying that.

And yeah, she was supposed to be a foil to Noctis. How you're making light of that is retarded considering it is a big deal.

>>377501620
Versus XIII >>>>>>>>>>>> XV.
Music fits better since she composed them for Versus XIII not XV.
Story is better and more mature
Better gameplay, kinda like Kingdom heart.
Better cinematics because of fukin Jun Fukuyama
Relevant female character

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>>377503406
The XV trailers are all better than the Versus trailers and XV is better than Versus. Omen trailer alone is better than anything Nomura did.

Fuck off with your bullshit. Tabata’s trailers were actually gameplay, everything Nomura did besides 2011 and the insomnia footage from 2013 was fake and prerendered CGI.

>>377503639
nice shit taste bazztek

>>377503639
>HE DOES IT FOR FREE

>>377503525
Fuck off and kill yourself first.

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>>377503639
>The XV trailers are all better than the Versus trailers and XV is better than Versus.
No it's not. Post a better trailer than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIx9VJWSl8
I'm waiting.

Open world was a straight up downgrade. Square is good at crafting linear adventures, they shouldn't be forced to make meme games.

Lightning Returns was such a massive step up it blows my mind how they threw all that away to make whatever is popular with western audiences.

And the engine is shit for open world too, it's so unoptimized and ugly It's obvious it was crafted for regular levels.

>>377503925
>Open world was a straight up downgrade. Square is good at crafting linear adventures, they shouldn't be forced to make meme games.
No it's not. They should just to learn how to make them better. Better start now before it's too late.

>>377503639
>Omen trailer alone is better than anything Nomura did.

But Omen had nothing to do with the finished product. It was one big bait and switch.

>>377501620
Way too many lifeless open fields, not nearly enough Tokyo nightlife Yakuza aesthetic

Also a double jump would have been nice

>>377503639
This should have been an urban adventure. That's the whole catch of the 'Fantasy based on reality' thing.

The moment I saw they were going outside the city, I got the red flags.

>>377503976
Open world sucks dick in general. There are too many problems that come with it and it has ruined many games.

If you are making a story heavy game like the Final Fantasy series is you better stick to a traditional formula.

Make a fairly linear game that opens up later. FF XII is a perfect example of that.

>>377503452
>Stella Nox Fleuret
>Lunefreya Nox Fleuret

>Fleuret means fencing foil

Stella actually uses swords. Luna doesn't even have a connection to her name because she's recycled.

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>>377503639
>>377503452
>>377503525

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>>377503618
Wrong.
Music fits XV just as much because it's the same thematic core which even shimomura said so herself
Story in XV is better because the characters and world actually make sense and have purpose. Stella had literally no purpose. Nothing in versus was darker than XV either.
XV has better gameplay because it has manual weapon switching and more fleshed out combos, warp and so on. Versus was literally all auto weapons. The foundation of basic weapons like swords and lances was kept for XV and greatly improved.
Fukuyama has nothing to do with cinematic. Takeshi Nozue did all the CG we saw from Versus and he directed kingsglaive.
Luna is literally more relevant and important than Stella ever was posed as being.

XV is better in every single way.

>>377503681
>>377503738
Not an argument. Fuck off.

>>377503867
January 2016 Niflheim battle footage, Uncovered March 2016 full trailer.

>>377504003
Except omen is literally said as being an alternate future that Regis saw and a nightmare for Noctis, hence the games actions was to try and prevent it. Clips of it were shown as Noctiss nightmare too.


>>377504079
The insomnia invasion was literally just the intro, the majority of versus would have been outside it just like XV, only difference is XV puts insomnia at the very end. XV is still a fantasty based on reality the same exact way versus was. Both Leide and Altissia were seen in the 2008 cg trailer too.

>>377504227
FFXII is open as soon as you get to be out of Rabanastre. You example is shit. FFXV was good as an open world.

>>377501620
I was expecting a fight between two mafia families. But that was 10 years ago, I grew up.

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>>377504351
FFXII isn't open world, not by the modern definition at least. It's pretty linear for the first half or so and the regions are divided up into different rooms. It's just that those rooms are pretty big and connect to each other at several different points

>>377501620
whoever made that image sounds like some sort of dumb fag who does not in any understand classic Nippon literature which influences nip writing still to this day.

cause the short hair bitch is written more in step with how they portray their classical female heroines. Which meas essentially that she never had any sort of chance of being cut from the game in any way shape or form.

meaning that the comparison between the 2 is down right retarded lame and fucking gay.

Cause i get that people may have gotten upset that the bitch with the long hair got cut but that aint no excuse to act like some sort of la la fag retard about shit.

>>377504305
No, music fits the cutscene for Versus much much better. Story is much better in Versus because it was complete and some character were actually relevant (Stella, Ravus, Gladiolus dad etc)
Gameplay was better when it was keep close to KH's one instead of the hybrid shit we got.
Versus XIII >>>>> XV anytime

I assume the original vision was some japanese Romeo and Juliet thing where they were the heirs of opposing yakuza clans and then they fall in love and die romantically together or some shit. Or they bring the yakuza together when they find out the TRUE ENEMY is the motherfucking moon.

>>377501620
>plenty of real things to critique the game about
>waifufag is too autistic to do that and instead has to obsess over one blonde love interest being replaced by another blonde love interest

>>377504351
It opens as you get further in the game. You don't have access to the whole world but are free to revisit places you already been to.

FF XV had to pull up travel back in time bullshit in order to make the open world work.

>>377504409
The Leviathan fight was the most disappointed I've been with vidya in the last decade.

>>377504305
Don't discuss with this guy, you will never convince him the opposite.

>>377504042
Insomnia in versus was literally an empty corridor then you would have been out in the open. there is not any less "yakuza" whatever in XV than versus had.

>>377504227
XV is a linear story on a world map just like ff1-9. Stop with your memes.

>>377504268
First of all fleuret comes from fleur which means blossom in relation to a flower, and second of all Ravus Nox Fleuret uses a rapier so you're an even bigger idiot.

Luna means moon which is the main light you see at night and can be seen during the perpetual night. Freya means love, war, death and beauty which all reflect Luna and her position since she was captured in a war, died and is Noctis's love and she's beautiful. Fleur meaning blossoming flower because she's seen associated with the gentiana flowers. Again you're wrong.

Is VIIR going to be open world?

Can we all agree that Versus probably would have sucked too?

>>377504409
I will admit that part of the game was pretty good.

>>377504352
Yup. I was expecting this too.

>>377504305
>The insomnia invasion was literally just the intro, the majority of versus would have been outside it just like XV, only difference is XV puts insomnia at the very end. XV is still a fantasty based on reality the same exact way versus was. Both Leide and Altissia were seen in the 2008 cg trailer too.

Bits and pieces, I think. But you could see all the gameplay was in Insomnia.

They had a 200 man crew under Nomura. I just don't get how Versus didn't happen. And they still assigned Nomura to KH3 and the FFVII remake.

>>377504756
No.

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>>377504732
I don't think so but it's going to be
>episodic

>>377504764
>samefaggin

>>377504705
>there is not any less "yakuza" whatever in XV than versus had.
Except that all of the Yakuza elements which, as you just said, were relegated largely to the beginning of the game, were cut out and made into a movie instead

>>377501620
XV is fucking disappointing. Too much cut content. Game is too barebone. Side quest are shit. Hunts get repetitive. The game should've been in development for atleast another year.

>>377504680
>welp, he knows too much, can't make shit up and shitpost for attention while he's here!

>>377501620
I liked the star-crossed lovers/reluctant adversaries thing.

I thought there would be at least 3-4 actual, explorable towns instead of the 1.5 that we got. In general I thought the map would be a lot bigger and/or contain more biome diversity.

I thought there would be more verticality/platforming, a la the Aranea fight

I thought there would be more involved and more numerous set pieces like the train sequence

I thought lategame Noctis would be able to do acrobatic armiger-esque moves somewhat freely

I thought there would be more variety to the soundtrack

But most of all I thought that at the very least the story and character development wouldn't suck balls(there are honestly too many sub-points to this and I'm already getting too fucking worked up just thinking about it)

>>377504705
>First of all fleuret comes from fleur which means blossom in relation to a flower,

You know words that are derived from another word don't necessarily mean the same thing right? Fleuret means fencing foil and was directly referencing Stella's use of rapier.

>and second of all Ravus Nox Fleuret uses a rapier so you're an even bigger idiot.

Was such a minor character you have to be kidding to think their namesake was intentionally made for him.

>Fleur meaning blossoming flower because she's seen associated with the gentiana flowers.

It's Fleuret, not fleur.

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>>377504409
>comparing mocked up CGI to livestream footage
At least you tried.

>>377504583

No it doesn't. The music all 100% fits in XV and the story in XV is more complete than Versus will ever be. Versus was literally not even 20% done by 2012 and it even in 2013 when Nomura was still director when it became XV it didn't have a defined story and was changing every three months.

Stella is hardly even a character, she has no importance to Noctis and she is literally noone important. Luna is important to Noctis and the story because without Luna then Noctis doesn't stop the starscourge. You don't know anything about Ravus from Versus especially since he was seen in literally one trailer two whole years before versus even had a story draft. Same with gladio's dad.
Gameplay is better in XV in every way, Nomura said so himself in 2013 that it isn't like KH. the HUD in the 2011 trailer was just pasted on too and never even shown using the menu.

XV is better in every fucking way.

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>>377505124
reddit spacing.
>>377505004
Nice projection retard

>>377504409
What a fukin letdown

>>377505004
more like he knows too much, uses his knowledge to make shit up, constantly lies and it's too much fucking trouble to keep up with his autism and keep replying to him with the sole purpose of arguing his every point.

Even if you do go full retard and start arguing he will just say "no you're wrong cunt" and repeat every single thing he said.

>>377501713
if FFXV was made more open world than what it already is you'd only get Morrowind levels of barren wastelands

>>377505284
I would rather have that than something like FFXIII again.

>>377504583
> Story is much better in Versus because it was complete

Not him but the fuck are you on about? You're acting like Versus is a full game that released to the public. We don't know SHIT about how Versus would have actually turned out. It's pure speculation, your imagination filling in the gaps.
>this game was shit, but THIS cancelled game would have been totally wonderful because my wildest dreams said so
FFXV is terrible but let's not delude ourselves here.

>>377504680
So because you have no argument and your shitposts are getting wrecked you're resorting to the "durr don't reply to him" memepost?

>>377504756
XV is better than Versus ever would have been.

>>377504764
2011 gameplay footage only shows part of the intro in insomnia then some random grass field against soldiers and Wyvern. Versus according to Ferrari had only 20 people attached to it since he joined in 2010, it only got the 200 devs in July 2012 when Tabata joined as codirector and it became XV.

>>377505365
You know there are shades between barren endless wastelands and straight narrow corridors

>>377505247
>uses his knowledge to make shit up, constantly lies
if you're certain that these are lies, it wouldn't be hard to post evidence and prove the contrary
instead, people just back the fuck off and say "oh noes, pls don't argue back against him"
>it's too much fucking trouble to keep up with his autism
oh, okay then. like, totally.
better to call him an autist and give up

>>377505365
>I'd rather eat fresh hobo turd with corn than hardened dried dog shit

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>>377505124
Lucis itself doesn't mean light, it's Lux that does.
Noctis itself doesn't mean night, it's Nox that does.

Fleuret comes from Fleur which is in relation to flower which 100% is associated with Luna. And Ravus uses a Rapier too.

Ravus was revealed in the same trailer Stella was revealed in. Stop back pedaling.

See above, Fleuret comes from fleur and both fleur for gentiana flowers and Fleuret for foil aka ravus have relation to Luna.

>>377505625
Cindy's tits look like implants
2B's ass looks soft and natural

>>377502558
He had his team taken away to fix up the fuck ups that were FFXIII and FFXIV. Then when they were finished with that he was suddenly told to go work on KH3 and Versus XIII was passed on to Tabata.

>>377505625
Automata: Made in a timely manner by a lot of passionate devs, with very little interference from Square-Enix
FFXV: Made over the course of years and years with many scrapped development cycles, by multiple directors with different visions, with lots of interference from Square-Enix

>>377505247
What lies? Why are you in denial for?

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This is literally the same thread we've had since the game released. Post by post.

>>377505625
That you're acting like metacritic even matters? How shallow do you even have to be?

>>377505925
That's every final fantasy thread on /v/ besides FFXIV general

>>377505925
And we'll fucking keep having it until either Square or Tabata get their thumbs out of their asses and give us a proper game.

>>377505791
Nomura had a team but he decided to make KH side games between 2007-2012 instead, he could have even used those devs to make versus but nope. also only in 2008 during their spare time did some versus devs help out on 13.

>>377505925
It's funny how the eternal witch hunt against XV-kun keeps revealing more and more anti XV-kun shitposters that are just as obnoxious as him, sometimes even worse when they run out of arguments and start name-calling and making excuses instead of talking about ingame content and posting gifs / webms

>>377505936
You wouldn't have said the same thing if it was the opposite

>>377505925
You can blame the anal devastated nomuracuck fanboys, aka KHkiddies. Nomura defense force is a shield of autism and handwaving anything bad Nomura does onto someone else while cocksucking anything else he does.

>>377506138
No I've been saying since before the game was even out that metacritic doesn't matter. You literally have to be underage to have such little brain capacity that you'd think it somehow does matter.

I never understood how Square thought this would work. Didn't they even think most people would ruin it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zgiuq2tG7E

>>377506036
it's not Square's fault when they make every mainline game different from the previous one and people still act like spoiled children
it's the "fans" who need to get their thumbs out of their asses expecting Square to deliver a game tailor-made to appease anon #1263874381 on a chinese cartoon message board and sell ten copies as a result from focusing on that microscopic niche

>>377506103
>just as obnoxious as him, sometimes even worse
Hi XV-kun I have been a fan for a long time I am always rooting for you and you inspired me to change my life please never stop shining.
xoxo

>>377506036
We got a proper game and it was good. Deal with it.

>>377506335
Well it does work because you choose a photo that reflects a thing you liked, even cup noodles reminds you of the time you did that quest and got the ingredient to make it.

>>377505723
There's an actual fleuret word though. It's not like the other made-up words for the game.

Fleuret > foil > rapier > Stella

Never said anything about Ravus not being in the same trailer only that he was a minor char. Insignificant for such a name cue.

>>377506513
if everybody is XV-kun, nobody is

>>377506341
Holy fuck, I bet you defended Bioware from the ME3 backlash too didn't you? Expecting a quality product isn't a fucking crime you turd, and FFXV wasn't a quality product in any way but graphics. It's no surprise people aren't happy with your product when your story and gameplay are both subpar messes, this is no ones fault but Squares.

>>377506523
>Well it does work because you choose a photo that reflects a thing you liked, even cup noodles reminds you of the time you did that quest and got the ingredient to make it.

Don't be a moron. A lot of people laughed at it.

>inb4 laughed from admiration and satisfied feelings

>>377506171
Really? what did Nomura even do on the game besides the character names? Last I checked Tabata was the one in charge of XV, how is any of this not his fault?

>>377506662
>Holy fuck, I bet you defended Bioware from the ME3 backlash too didn't you?
where is this coming from? who said anything about ME3? Who said anything about defending games?
>Expecting a quality product isn't a fucking crime you turd, and FFXV wasn't a quality product in any way but graphics.
who determined that? the ggorillions of people who bought it, or that amount of salty anons who couldn't turn up a profit even if they bought three copies each?
>It's no surprise people aren't happy with your product when your story and gameplay are both subpar messes, this is no ones fault but Squares.
see, the problem is when the minority's shit taste is set as an objective measure of quality for everyone else. I don't think XV is perfetc or anything, but if it was so bad it would have flopped down to 60 on Metacritic and bombed on sales. none of these things happened, Square is not desperately making sequels to recover the development costs like they had to do with XIII.

>>377506992
inb4
>but sales don't determine quality, I AM THE ONE who does because I know better than all the millions of people who bought the game

>>377506589
And Noctis name is Noctis not Nox, still doesn't change the fact that the intent was for his name to mean "night", not "of the night". And again fleuret coming from fleur still fits the fucking intent in Luna's case and for foil for Ravus's case. Hell Ravus was actually pretty much posed more of a rival to Noctis than Stella was because of how Noctis and ravus are parallels to each other.
Both princes whose homes were taken over by Niflheim, Noctis faught against while Ravus succumbed to.
Both connection to Luna, Noctis her fiance, Ravus her brother.
Noctis in black with dark hair, Ravus in white with light hair
Noctis using magic weapons and spells, Ravus using magitek arm and physical weapon
Noctis from Lucis aka light, Ravus from Tenebrae aka darkness
Insomnia is urban metropolitan city, Tenebrae capital is lush medieval fantasty city overgrown in nature basically opposites
Noctis is the chosen king and wanted to save Luna from her fate, Ravus wanted to be the chosen king and wanted to save Luna from her fate.
etc
He's more than just a minor character.

>>377506662
Except XV is a quality product in every aspect. It has great gameplay, world design, graphics and animation, god tier music, excellent characters and a great story with a strong ending.

>>377506798
Tabata took over in 2013 to fix Nomuras mess and he made a good game out of it.

>>377506674
People who did love the game did still choose cup noodles because it's funny.

>>377507312
>Ravus wanted to be the chosen king
what the fuck? where is this in the game?
all we know is that he wasn't actually loyal to the empire, the alt. chapter 13 proves Ravus trusts Noctis

>>377506992
>who said anything about ME3?
Me, I did, in reference to the fact that you tried to blame the fans for Square putting out a disappointing game when they spent years promising otherwise.
>the ggorillions of people who bought it
Idiots who don't know any better buy into hype all the fucking time, having "the masses" accept your game isn't any sort of feat. If you can get people with a discerning eye for quality like many of the "salty anons" in this thread and all the ones we've had before it to admit you made a good game then you can be impressed.
>the problem is when the minority's shit taste is set as an objective measure of quality for everyone else
No, the problem is all the retards willing to eat shit because of fancy trailers and decent marketing. Simply saying "well it was good to me" doesn't make you better than the people who dislike it, it just means you don't give a damn about buying quality products.

>>377507552
It's not in the game, it's in the movie which they cut out of the game to sell to you as a seperate piece of shit.

>>377507552
Ravus was at first against Noctis because he didn't approve of Noctis being chosen king because he didn't view him as worthy of Luna's sacrifice, Ravus lost his arm putting on the ring which was mentioned in the game and shown in kingsglaive, he did so because he wanted to be the chosen king so he could be the one to save Luna. It was only because Noctis gained the favor of the summons that Ravus came to accepting Noctis, and one of his letters to Luna say if Noctis gets Leviathand blessing he will gladly give Noctis Regis's glaive.

>>377502053
Stella isn't typical because she's a one man army. Kind of like how FFXV fans look at Aranea.

>>377507401
Prove it fucktard, just saying shit was amazing doesn't suddenly make it not shit.

>>377505625
When will they let Taro direct final fantasy?

>>377507715
>you tried to blame the fans for Square putting out a disappointing game
LMAO good job making such an obvious strawman
all I'm blaming fans is of whining for not getting a game exactly like they want, which is something so absurdly subjective that they even fight each other to determine which FF is good
>Idiots who don't know any better buy into hype all the fucking time, having "the masses" accept your game isn't any sort of feat.
>No, the problem is all the retards willing to eat shit because of fancy trailers and decent marketing.
lookie here, we've got Neo waking up to get out of the Matrix and condemning all the sheeple, he's so smart and special for not liking the game
>Simply saying "well it wasn't good to me" doesn't make you better than the people who like it, it just means you want to establish your shit taste as an objective measure of quality for everyone else
right back at you

>>377501620
I barely had any impressions from Versus XIII cause we barely got anything out of a few combat trailers and a conversation in bad japanese.

Combat is similar to the final product. UI changed for the better and Characters were upgraded.

>>377507715
Not that guy but XV was fantastic, it sold well and was well received by the majority too. Nothing you say will change that fact just because you want to shill your headcanon of what you thought Versus was is somehow better.

>discerning eye
Holy fucking shit my actual sides.

Dude you have shit taste, you have absolutely no idea what you're evem talking about. Nomuracucks are the epitome of shittaste, no matter what you fuck stains would cry just because Nomura was taken off the game.

Stop acting like you are somehow some paragon of taste and standards, you're a fucking nobody.

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>>377507886
No matter what I say or post you're just going to deny it and shitpost anyway, so fuck you.

>>377504409
so disappointed when I saw the 2016 version for the first time, cgi with in-game HUDs should be illegal!

>>377508067
>all I'm blaming fans is of whining for not getting a game exactly like they want
Except no ones doing that, they're giving genuine reasons why the game fell short of their expectations and it just so happens that many of those reasons are visible problems with the story telling and game design as a whole.
>right back at you
At least the people who say it's bad can give actual quantifiable reasons why it's bad, all the people who enjoyed it ever say is "nuh uh, you're wrong because I said so".

>>377507884
Nomura's own admission in 2011 was Stella was nothing like Aranea, who at the time was just known as the dragoon lady.

>>377508338
So you can't then. Face it, there's no defending this game besides sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling that it looked pretty and you know it.

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>>377508487
No matter what I say or post you're just going to deny it and shitpost anyway, so fuck you.

>>377508367
>Except no ones doing that, they're giving genuine reasons
>all the people who enjoyed it ever say is "nuh uh, you're wrong because I said so"
ah, the good old "us vs them" mentality, I am good and smart, ur stoopid and always wrong.
you ignore all the people praising the game and buying it because all of these opinions don't count, only the ones on "your side"
good fucking job, anon.
good fucking job proving my point

>>377508603
Okay, by all means show me one fucking argument in this thread from the pro XV side that doesn't amount to "well I liked it".

DEJA VU

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In the final fantasy movie
Kingsglaive

Even NYX hated her
Thought who the fuck does she think she is
Always saving her ass

>>377508824
>>377504305
>Music fits XV just as much because it's the same thematic core which even shimomura said so herself
at the very least, this is entirely 100% factual
Okay now, by all means show me one fucking argument in this thread from the anti XV side that doesn't amount to "it's shit because adjectives".

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Final Fantasy is such a joke now.

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>expect: Japanified fantasy Hamlet story with Nomura characters, turn based battles
>get: a bunch of dudes road trippin around rural america monster hunting and fishing while ignoring any presence of a story

I liked it, but I only got the first summon and it started to get too repetitive and boring. Should I try to hop back in? I genuinely like the vibe of the game. Very comfy.

>>377508824
You can just as easily say the opposite you retard.

>>377509190
ahh, I can already feel the goalpost drifting towards outer space as the argument that "just because the music fits the game's theme it doesn't mean it's good" looms ever closer

>>377509071
he didn't hate her, and she's the princess of Tenebrae and the Oracle aka the most important political and religious figure in the games world.

>>377509247
Only joke are your faggot repost meme images.

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>>377509409
Sure, it's good but the later half of the story kicks in around ch9-13 and feels a bit rushed, but the ending was good despite that.

I think FFXV-kun's parents should be given special permission for a very late abortion.

>>377509762
I've heard as much, then I thought I'd hold off because they said they were like, patching in more story?
Anyway I recall the intro foreshadowing a boss fight with a time jump and a bunch of flames that looked cool as fuck but I just ended up falling off with all the good game releases this year

>>377509872
You mean yours?

>>377509762
>and feels a bit rushed
The first half of the story feels rushed, the second one feels like the developers went insane

>>377509762
The ending should've been the camp scene, the fucking throne scene was so unnecessary

>>377509960
You might as well wait for all the dlc episodes and updates first before jumping back in, the major updates are every three months and they're also adding stuff like offroad driving in

>another "no you" and paroting for 500 posts
I can't believe this shit

>>377509960
considering how they are treating this game like an MMO, you'd do well to wait a bit more.
that part you said that looked pretty cool just happens out of nowhere after the time skip, all the explanation of what happened in the meantime happens in a scripted sequence that forces you to listen to a lot of dialogue without even being able to explore the area you're in

>>377510220
I still don't get why they're adding that, probably because fans screamed for it without knowing why they even want it, in the end you'll probably get stuck on so many trees and shit that it's just better to use the chocobo again which is also easier to get up an down from

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>>377504409
>there might be people ITT who thought the end product was going to look like the 2013 footage

>>377510371
beautiful, great, sweet, amazing, very ok.
aaaaaAAAAAAAAAA fucking square

>>377510135
Nah, going to galdin quay then to duscae to wiz chocobo post to lestallum feels the same pacing wise as going to kalm to costa del sol to chocobo ranch to junon etc.

>>377510430
I still remember how everybody was cheering AIRSHIP WOOOOO JUST LIKE THE CLASSICS then you get that crap that crashes into everything and straight up gives you a Game Over screen
there are no off-road areas worth visiting with the airship besides that one extra dungeon and even that place is hell to land, you'll probably need a guide on Youtube for that.
for everywhere else, it's way easier and faster to just select fast travel from the map

>>377510523
the infamous part at Zegnautus Keep everybody kept talking about got somewhat "fixed" with new story sequences, so I'm sure they'll do something similar for that segment too.
in 2018, of course

>>377510430
people have been saying they want that since like 2014. and the devs know that which is why they're going through ways to prevent that like raising the car to 4wd wheels and suspension.

>>377510371
>>377510820
they said they're adding in new ardyn and Ifrit scenes

>>377510668
There's a huge difference though, and it's that FFXV isn't a continuous series of events like (most of) FFVII, it's just random things happening. Most of the first 3/4 of the game could happen in any order and nothing would change storywise, it would be just as disjointed as now

>>377510952
it will only give you a few minutes of fun with manual controls, because in autotravel it will either keep running on roads or get stuck on rocks / ramming into enemies and forcing you out to fight them

>>377511050
At this point it's just better to wait like 2-3 years unless they just drop it at some point. The last cutscene they added with Ravus really didnt add that much and it feels weird going back to it and playing through it again if you have no save just to see a few seconds of new cutscenes.

>>377511175
well at least we finally knew what happened to him instead of just reading some newspaper's footnote of how he was "executed" and then suddenly "no john you are the demons"

>>377511291
Yeah, but i still hope this won't be a trend from now on. Imo they should get way more shit for basicly releasing an early access game, if some other publisher would do it they'd get hate for years

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>>377511124
If you honestly believe that then I don't think you payed attention to what happened in each chapter, you went through story linear way in XV too.

>>377511175
The intent of that was just to show something you could guess happened anyway, not necessarily massive additions, it was cool nonetheless. For ifrit and Ardyn that's more core to the main story so would need a bit more to better explain why they're working together, we're also likely gonna get Ardyn dlc episodes since SE have said on multiple occasions they know there's strong demand for that.

>>377511648
Well, i'll wait for that Ardyn scene and see if it's any better. As for DLC i won't even buy it, they're not expansive but they also don't even really seem to know what they want to do themself. The whole "there's demand so we'll do it" just sounds like they'll add some made up filler content in it because they never thought of an actual story behind it.

>>377506103
t. XV-kun

This reminds me of the time you said you were a retard trying to come off as someone else. But it was obviously you.

It was fucking hilarious.

>>377511856
for gladio's one you're right but Ignis and Promptos episodes both fall naturally within the stories events, like it didn't seem obvious at the time where their episode would be unlike gladio's, and their thing also flowed better.

>>377512240
You're detector is broken.

>>377512506
>, like it didn't seem obvious at the time where their episode would be unlike gladio's

Are you fucking serious? you have to be retarded if you didn't see exactly where the DLC episodes would play out

>>377513680
I'm talking about when they happened.

When Gladio was like "i have to leave for a bit but ill be back" its obvious that was setting up his DLC.

When Noctis woke up to see Ignis was blinded it wasn't obvious at that time his episode would take place during the Leviathan and in the ruins of Altissia, same with when Noctis pushed Prompto off the train. It was only after the fact that those two were the most likely parts for their DLC. And even then some people still thought ignis or Prompto could be in the 10 year timeskip.

>>377512506
>unlike Gladio's
dude he literally asks you for a free time alone back in Cape Caem. it's the most evident of the three parts leading into extra content.
sure, Prompto is also blatant since you see him falling off the train, but there is nothign comparable for Ignis. As soon as the fight against Leviathan is over, you're back in your room and Ignis is already blind and waiting you there

>>377514067
Seek mental help.

>>377514067
But I'm saying gladio's was the most obvious. Prompto being pushed off the train wasn't obvious set up until you reunited with him a few chapters later and he makes his revelation to the party.

>>377514248
as soon as you land in Tenebrae you know something's up. then it just keeps going.
in fact, the whole part about that town looks rushed as fuck. the game tries to tell you about that place but doesn't even let you go near Luna's place

>>377514570
*Luna's palace
or whatever that castle or mansion thing is, burning on that hill

>>377514570
yeah but again that's after the fact. Gladio's one is immediately obvious. for the other two a bit to look back and know exactly where they'd be even if you realize it a chapter later. like even for ignis going blind for all you knew they could have maybe shown a flashback to it, it was only at the start of ch11 when he said ardyn's airship heading to luna was the last thing he saw before falling unconscious that I leaned into thinking his DLC is about him going blind and there won't be a flashback about it in the main game. And for Prompto getting pushed off for all you knew Gladio and ignis recovered him, it's only in ch12 when they say "oh he's probably fine" it becomes more apparent about his then in ch13 its obvious.

>>377515120
>And for Prompto getting pushed off for all you knew Gladio and ignis recovered him
ehh I dunno anon, he fell off a train in high speed and they don't have warping magic, only Noctis
having some arms sticking out the windows to grab him would have looked pretty silly

>>377515317
like they could have gotten off the train when it stopped before or something
, it wasn't til ch12 starts you find out they're still on the train

I stopped caring about Versus XIII because they went so long with stuff that I only started caring is when Vs XIII got re branded as XV.

I also beat XV, big disappointment.

Plot at the end of the game felt rushed.
Big events happened off screen (Ravus' betrayal and dying, evil emperor turning into a demon, killing Shiva, etc...)
Trying to make me feel bad for love interest that gets fuck all of screentime
Only good characters are the main 4 (granted Ardyn was interesting but then just spouted out childish insults in chapter 13 and beyond)
Why the fuck did Ifirit go evil?
Chapter 13 was an abomination
The combat was boring and generic

glad I only spent $20 on this.

>>377515531
but it would have worked as a very badly made bait and switch since the game keeps going on without showing where he landed and justifying how he was hiding in another car all along while everyone was chilling in Tenebrae
or even worse, how he ran Sanic fast chasing the train for HOURS until night time when they stopped to see Shiva's statue

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>>377505625
>What went wrong?

changing directors.

Also Yoko Taro is the man. I want him to lead FF XVI

>>377515686
>Ravus' betrayal and dying
fixed
>evil emperor turning into a demon
fixed
>killing Shiva
they can make an excuse saying it happened before the game starts
>Trying to make me feel bad for love interest that gets fuck all of screentime
it's funny how everyone is getting some fillers but literally no one is interested on more backstory for her
>granted Ardyn was interesting but then just spouted out childish insults in chapter 13 and beyond
yeah never understood how he was so confident and smug like everything was under control then he just got salty
>Why the fuck did Ifirit go evil?
official guide bullshit explains it
>Chapter 13 was an abomination
fixed, but not really since it's a separate playable segment and not integrated into the main game
FFXV still has a long way to go, maybe by 2020 it will have got all the necessary content patches to fill in the blanks

>>377515753
>>377515753
I'm just saying even him getting pushed off alone wasn't enough to for sure say that's when it would have happened, it was other factors from ch12 and ch13 that added to that that did.

>>377515879
>metacritic somehow matters

>>377516106
Shiva was actually killed before the game begins, that's why it's all frozen over, and the game asks you if you want to play as Gladio in ch13.

>>377516262
>the game asks you if you want to play as Gladio in ch13
I've never bothered to play through the main game all over again to see it, just looked at the title screen and saw the option there so I got disappointed.
does it nerf and lock his stats like in the DLC or it carries over your progress?

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Reminder;
Nomura's XV

>the land is split between two mob factions warring over the magic crystal, Lucis, who worship the pantheon of death, and the Nilfgaard who worship the pantheon of life

>Noctis is the hotheaded playboy son of a ruthless mob boss who dislikes the idea of having to run it and deal with all the bullshit politics, and Stella is the daughter of the rival gang leader

>because Noctis suffered a near death experience together with Stella as children, they can use magic, and see & communicate with the dead

>because Noctis has the hots for Stella, her father proposes a treaty sealed by the marriage, but it's merely a ruse to kill Regis and steal the crystal

>betrayed and enraged, Noctis and his party of Lucis' top killers slaughter their way out of the city to take revenge and to get the crystal back, recruiting world class mercenaries/assassins on the way
Tabata's XV;

>it's two kingdoms at war now, they all worship "the six"

>Noctis is a whiny emo bitch

>Stella is now called Lunafreya and "the oracle". Noctis got sick as a child and she rear him a book and said he's "the chosen one", so we're supposed to feel bad when she dies with literally no other back story and Noctis becomes an even worse whiny emo bitch

>Noctis eventually stops being a whiny bitch when the rest of his boyband tells him to stop being a fucking faggot and suck it up

>Noctis goes to retrieve the crystal because something something eternal darkness something something demons unless he gets it

>I MUST'D KILL THE DAEMONS!!

>Noctis, THE PEEPLE R THE DAEMONS!!!

>>377516485
it's the same thing as what you choose from the menu only you can do it through maingame too. I only did it through menu too so I don't know anything else about it other than you can do it as part of the main game and you can switch between Gladio or Noctis at save rooms.

>>377516656
Should've just let the thread die. XV-kun is not able to ignore that shit

>>377502558
Square wanted to capitalize on the VII-Remake Trilogy as it's more of money-maker than a XV-Trilogy.

It was severely disappointing.

>>377516905
No, No, No, how dare you have an opinion about this game that is not the same as mine!

>>377517023
Dude fuck off.

>>377517123
BUY THE SEASON PASS

That 2011 Versus trailer is still great.

XV was complete garbage.

>>377517324
It's anti-kun, learn the lore. He also never said that XV was bad, it's just sad how xv-kun can not accept opinions and thinks only his posts are the ones that matter.

>>377517380
dude cuck cunt

>>377504003

omen was made by a third party studio you fucking retard lmao

>>377517505
replying to everyone with made up quotes and acting obnoxious pretending to be retarded makes anti-kun people just as bad as him exactly because they are behaving in the same way he does

>>377517854
Well, i never said one is better than the other. They should just make a discord for themself where they can fight for eterntiy

>>377504409

>comparing what was obviously a build running on PC at E3 of all things where everyone bullshots everything

I mean how could anyone expect LEFT to be rendered on a fucking ps3 when not even a ps4 can do it? wake up retards

>>377517380
XV was better than versus.

>>377517965
Left didn't really look that good honestly, the overall art direction just worked better. THe models were lower poly but you barely notice it with all that shit going on and the cities in the background were not amazing looking either. The scene could easily run on PS4 considering how linear it seemed to be. They also should've gone with lower poly models in gameplay for the final game to make other visuals better or fps

>>377517803
omen was made by people who made kingsglaive.

>>377518163

problem is at the time ps4 wasn't even in the mind of sony so the idea of anyone basing that footage on a future console release was fucking stupid

>>377518068

I disagree.

>>377516656
>literally pulling shit out of my ass: the post

>>377518443
at least the whole part about Tabata's XV is entirely true, even if it's grossly reductionist

Someone should start a new thread with a poll to see if those "people" who are defending XV aren't just one person.

>>377518890
Nah, polls are always ucking retarded. Same with those "worst fanbase" polls, they make no sense to begin with
And there were polls in these threads before that were shit too, just people voting over and over again

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>>377501620

>>377519105
Who's the girl on the right?

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>>377519172
Ariana Grande

>>377501620
>not one of those scenes actually ended up in the game

Square Enix should be sued for false advertising, honestly. Everyone constantly shits on western companies like Ubishit and EA for their trailers that don't match the final product, but literally no other game got that treatment as bad as FFXV did, and no one gave SE a lick of shit for it.

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>>377519269
Should i know her?

>>377519172
Ariana Huffington

>>377519465
No? Yes? How should I know? I don't know you.

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>>377516656
This is full of bullshit.

The land was never split between two mob factions. There was never even one mob faction. Lucis was a kingdom where Regis was king and they were from an ancient line of kings that guarded the Crystal. There is no such thing as "Nilkgaard". Both Tenebrae and Lucis worshipped Etro, not "death", Etro who is just a goddess of death in the FNC.

Noctis is still a hotheaded "playboy" now as much as he ever was, Regis was never a "ruthless" mob boss, he was and still is a king who wears suits. Noctis still was against royal conventions in the final game, and Stella was never the daughter of a "rival gang leader", there was never any rival gang leaders.

Noctis in Versus didn't even know Stella as a kid, they only met for the firs time as adults at the peace treaty party. Noctis can still use magic and he can use it because he's from the royal family using the Crystal, not because of his near death experience. Communicating with the dead was never a thing either, only eyes that could SEE expiring souls, which in XV Noctis can still see the ghosts of Luna and Regis as well as the souls of the former kings.

Noctis never had the "hots" for Stella, they literlaly just met for the first time, there was never a marriage treaty with Noctis and Stella.

Noctis was never a "top killer", he was always a sheltered prince who got thrown into the deep end when Insomnia gets invaded by Niflheim, in both Versus or XV he still fights the same exact enemies which are just Niflheim grunt soldiers. He never recuits world class anything in Versus, he left with Gladio, Ignis and Prompto, was joined by Cor, and nothing else is known about party members in Versus. In XV he's joined by Aranea who is a world class mercenary.

>>377519465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkjrRs0Y4N0

Now you know her.

>>377519625
Holyshit this is amazing.

>>377519625
wtf
The CG s nice though

>>377516656
They replaced the shitty FNC lore with Cosmogony which did away with Etro in favor of the Hexatheon.

Noctis isn't whiny or emo, he acts the same as he ever did, which is upbeat, hotheaded, headstrong and arrogant as well as sociable.

The perpetual night was always a thing since Versus and is literally mentioned in the lyrics for Somnus, the Daemons and going to Niflheim to get back the crystal were also always there since Versus. Noctis again is upbeat and hotheaded pretty much the whole game and only sad at two points, when his dad dies and when Luna dies which are both completely understandble things to be sad about.

Luna replaced Stella and Luna actually is Noctis's childhood friend who he spent time with when he was wheelchair bound after his near death experience, she taught him about all kinds of things relating to their calling and roles and they were actual friends who cared about each other and they kept in touch for 12 years while the war kept raging on after Tenebrae was occupied by Niflheim.

Eat shit dipshit.

>>377518635
No it isn't. See >>377519605
>>377519820

>>377519605
>>377519820

Nice phoneposting xv-kun

>>377519605
>>377519820
I think he only posted it beacuse he knew you'd waste another few minutes of your life on it. He got what he wanted, not like that's too hard with you since you're unable to ignore any post.
Can't you just go on and discuss the game like you did before that post? Why is that so hard for you

>>377519172
a real FF character

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>>377516656
>>Noctis eventually stops being a whiny bitch when the rest of his boyband tells him to stop being a fucking faggot and suck it up

I don't understand the "boyband" jab. Of all the shit that changed from Versus XIII to XV, they actually ended up looking way less faggy in Tabata's game than they would have if Nomura had his way.

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>>377519392
But they put up a disclaimer constantly saying it's a work in progress and subject to change so it objectively isn't. And those Luna scenes were only modified so she's on a different chair in that room and it's darker with a dark greenblue filter instead of a yellow filter.

>>377501620
Lunafreya was one mistake of many and not even the worst one. Ardin was actually an okay villain.

The story got absolutely gutted as a whole, not just the antagonist.

>>377520240
Why Luna is so cute? That was crime to not use her properly.

>>377519960
Not an argument.

>>377519994
His post was copy pasta but I typed that up to counter him whenever he posts it in future threads, which I know he will do, but now he'll always be exposed for talking out of his ass.

>>377520621
I doubt that he really cares about being "exposed" or anything, but if that makes you feel good i guess that's fine.

>>377520716
It's so the uninformed aren't taken in by his bullshit either.

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Welp another thread that went from normal discussion to insults and nonsense because one guys can't ignore shit.

>>377503867
Watching this actually made me sad. FF15 could have been so good, yet they decided to release this mess of a game because of a crazy megalomaniac.

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>>377520413
hopefully what they said about knowing there's demand for a luna episode has them give her one too.

>>377520795
It's their fault if they're uninformed or can't see what posts are just copypasta. You're giving XV fans a bad rep.

>>377502053
> Actual unique and memorable design
>memorable

Stella has more screen time in one trailer than Luna in her game.

>>377520918
See >>377503639
>>377504305
>>377505163
XV is better.

>>377521025
it's the same cherry picked webms the blind fanboy uses

why care about them?

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>>377516656
>betrayed and enraged, Noctis and his party of Lucis' top killers slaughter their way out of the city to take revenge and to get the crystal back, recruiting world class mercenaries/assassins on the way
The first part is true. I like the part of that trailer.

>>377520951
No you're just being a fucking apologist to shitposters.

>>377520979
No she objectively didn't. Luna has as much cutscenes as there are FMV in FF7.

Stella is literally 5 minutes and 20 seconds of literally nothing but talking about etro even though Noctis already knows about etro, then 5 seconds holding a sword then nothing. That's it. And most of that just repeats the same sequence twice.

Luna has flashback scenes to her childhood with Noctis and her awaking the summons at different areas in the game as well as fighting Leviathan and doing the rites so Noctis can gain the blessing of the summons, as well as her scenes with Ravus and her healing people, and even after she was stabbed she tries to heal Ardyn inner scourge while rubbing in his face that Noctis is the true king. If not for Luna then Noctis wouldn't have stopped the starscourge.

>>377521493
Okay okay, Then i'd rather be a "shitposter" than a retard than can't tell what's right and wrong or look up shit in google in 2 seconds

>>377521493
>Luna has flashback scenes to her childhood with Noctis and her awaking the summons at different areas in the game as well as fighting Leviathan and doing the rites so Noctis can gain the blessing of the summons, as well as her scenes with Ravus and her healing people, and even after she was stabbed she tries to heal Ardyn inner scourge while rubbing in his face that Noctis is the true king.

which is like 20 minutes of a 40 hour long game

>>377503867
NOCTIS OUJIIIII

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>>377521218
What's cherrypicked? There's no bias in any of those webms. It's showing like for like equivalent things, and XV is clearly better.

>>377521260
No it isn't, the only part in that sentence that is was saying he wants revenge to get the crystal back and that they fight out to the city. There was no slaughtering, none of the party were top killers, there was no mercenaries or assassins in the party in Versus either.

Noctis still is out for revenge in XV and even says Niflheim would wish they had a treaty to protect them from him. And in the end he gets his revenge.

>>377521493
Thanks for the (You).

>>377521780
What is wrong about anything I've said?

>>377521893
20-40 minutes of her in cutscene as opposed to 20-40 minutes of FMV cutscene in FF7? Again so what? Luna is essentially the Zelda of XVs world. She has as much screentime if not more than your average Zelda does.

>>377522042
>What's cherrypicked?

it's the same stupid shit you spam in every FFXV thread whenever people bring up legitimate complaints.

Like those webms whenever people bring up how boring/generic/easy the combat is in XV

>>377522326
Again what's cherrypicked? There's no bias in any of those webms. It's showing like for like equivalent things, and XV is clearly better. Blatant lies about versus are not valid complaints against XV.

>>377522042
Thanks again for the (You).

>faggots still whining about a game that wasn't created to appeal to them in the first place

FFXV was a game for casuals and fujoshi. This was SE's way of testing the waters to see if they could bring in a new fanbase and it worked.

>>377523019
>It worked
It's badmouthed everywhere even amongs normies. Thansk the marketing.

>>377523019
FF was always casual and fujo orientated.

>>377523290
But that's wrong, it's well received by the vast majority.

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These threads are always a fun read, while i play FF XIV

>>377523483
>FF was always casual and fujo orientated.
>fujo orientated

Name one.

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>>377523569
I'll name many. FF7. FF8. FF12. FF4. FF13. FF14. FF11. FF10. FF9. FF6. FF2. Tactics. Type0. Dissidia. Dissidia 012.

>>377501620
You sound like one of these kids who write harry potter fanfic and hate dumbledore and the weasleys.

>>377523887
Who doesn't hate the weasleys

>>377524001
People above 18.

>>377523782
>FF13
>fujo orientated

As for the others, fujos taking an interest in them does not mean that they were designed with fujos in mind.

In FFXV Noctis has more charisma with his buddies than he does Luna. There are no females in the main party. Practically no romance scenes between Luna and Noctis. The guys are all way too touchy-feely with each other.

Now compare that to the list you just wrote. Females in the main party. Female love interest for the male main characters. Nothing about that is fujo orientated.

>>377523483
>But that's wrong, it's well received by the vast majority.
where

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>>377524119
B-but XV can do now wrong

>>377501620
Combat is worse, everything else is better. Original Noctis design was garbage and the death cult storyline was maximum edge. Also Nomura is a shit director. Although I guess Tabata hasn't turned out much better. I'm just glad the game is out and SE can move on to the next disaster.

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Double screen?

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>>377524119
Yes it is. Being brotherhood focussed doesn't change that the guys are all straight with interest in girls like Cidney, Aranea and Luna, and Iris clearly likes Noctis too. Females being in the party or not is irrelevant. Fujos have been an audience for FF probably longer than any other one type of FF fan other than someone who just likes every FF.

>>377524229
Everywhere.

>>377524542
>that the guys are all straight with interest in girls like Cidney, Aranea and Luna, and Iris clearly likes Noctis too.

The only one who really shows an interest in women is Prompto. Iris liking Noctis doesn't matter when he clearly has no interest in her and doesn't show any interest in her either. Gladio mentions a fiance in the timeskip that no one has ever met or seen. And Ignis might as well be a monk since the only interest in women he shows is in fanfiction where people pair him with Aranea for whatever reason.

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>>377502053
>Actual unique and memorable design

XV's biggest issue is that it just didn't have enough "meta" content.

the Spell crafting could have been AMAZING. We should have had the ability to convery the elemental energy into perm buffs that get attached to weapons.

The "monster parts" bullshit is right from ff12 but the HUGE failure is that 99% of these items are utter worthless garbage that does NOTHING. We can use them to augment our gear or to even get "+1" type upgrades. only the cid weps do this, ALL the weps should do this.

I would have rathered the 13 royal arms be the only weapons Noct and crew can use, and you spend the game powering them all up incrementally, like Secret of mana.

>>377524891
Gladio does and Prompto even gets annoyed when Gladio talks about cidney, plus gladio is marrying his girlfriend at the end doesn't matter if we don't know her. Noctis says the only reason he won't do anything on Iris is because he doesn't want Gladio to kick his butt, meaning if not for that he would have. besides their
little date is the same thing crono had with marle at the start of CT

in 7 you literally can go on a date with barret and cloud dresses up as a girl. bartz has no romantic interest whatsoever. even if they do have female interest the guys in other FF have a ton of fujosho art and yaoi.