ITT: Weapons that were nerfed to the point where they became

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>>377474543

The U-lul-pool Gayber was best dildo

RIP

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>>377474543

>>377474778
This cod was the worst

>>377474543
>Entire point of the weapon was to be a one-time use melee weapon that dealt very high damage to both the target and the user, likely killing both
>Was fun as fuck to fly through the air and suicide-bomb people with it, or die trying
>Nerf this one-time-use high-damage weapon into the fucking dirt and make it absolutely useless
Finding out about some of the nerfs they made over the past few years that I hadn't been playing really pissed me off.

>>377476156
This guy knows what's up

>>377476156
>Get destroyed by scout
>Can't hit him for shit
>Just use the caber, you can slap the ground and he'll die. You die too but you were going to die anyway for being so shit.
I dislike how they approached the nerf but it was nothing short of obnoxious outside of finding an oblivious sniper to slap with it again and again. And even then, if you're an attentive sniper, now you have this fuckhead flying around that'll fall out of the sky and instant kill you at the drop of a hat. Even if you're paying attention to your surroundings, he's moving fast enough that reacting to stop him is extremely difficult, meanwhile all he has to do is do a simple stickyjump and slap the floor when he lands.
If the explosion scaled with health remaining, it'd have preserved the silly sniper hunting that it's been known for. But it'd also mean that pulling it out when you're shit out of health won't be nearly as effective. It means a demo has to actually do damage first instead of just flipping the table and calling you both dead, or alternatively don't get noticed and shot at before reaching a target.

>>377477869
>And even then, if you're an attentive sniper, now you have this fuckhead flying around that'll fall out of the sky and instant kill you at the drop of a hat. Even if you're paying attention to your surroundings, he's moving fast enough that reacting to stop him is extremely difficult, meanwhile all he has to do is do a simple stickyjump and slap the floor when he lands.
that's a good thing, fuck sniper

Stopped playing months after pyromania update in 2012
It was clear as a day that was the last update they would give a fuck

>>377477964
It's not just sniper, the thing used to 1-shot medics.

OHHH
AH'M GON'TA LICK YA

>>377474543
That's still useful. It's still a good spy and scout killer.

shotguns in most games

>>377474778
that's one smug battle rifle

>>377478224
OHHH, THEY GON'TA HAFF'TA GLUE YHU BACK TOGETHA
IN HELL

>>377479276
OHH, THAR'S A NEW ANGEL IN HEAV'N
IN HELL

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>>377474543
To be fair, half the weapons in that game have been nerfed into obscurity at one point or another.

I'll never forget the day they nerfed the Bison's ability to pass through enemies and called it a bug.

>>377474543

they nerfed the Loch n Load too.

REEEE I used to love one shotting fucking faggots

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>>377479521

>>377479521
Still good against sentries though

>>377479585

Nigga the old Loch n Load if you had good aim could clear an entire server in seconds.

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All I wanted was to go fast.

>>377479630
Thats the thing you dont need aim for the loch n load.

It did too much damage, its the best balance wise now being a sentry buster
Besides it does the same damage as stock now + 3 + its as fast shooting as always.

I'm still mad about the alt-fire sandvich nerf

>>377479749
>moved so fast it broke hitboxes

>>377479919
The funny thing is as far as I'm aware, they didn't change the max speed.

Just made it so a stray breeze will slow you back down to slug speed.

>>377479749

The only problems with this weapon was how fast the charge went up with just a tiny bit of damage and the hitboxes.

They hit it too hard with the nerf tho

One example that happened recently enough that i can recall is the revolver nerf in CSGO. Those two weeks with OP revolver were fantastic

>>377479835
What happen?

>>377480095
The hitbox problem persists still.

They never reduced the max speed.

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>>377480108
>Those two weeks with OP revolver were fantastic

I miss the wild west week

>>377480176
I believe he's talking about how you can't throw it and use it as a healthkit yourself

>>377480176
Used to be able to regenerate HP even easier with sandwich; if you walked over your own sandwich it would recover your hp instead of restoring the sandwich.

>>377479521
I for one am not sure why pre-nerf LnL got hate when the direct hit still has potential 1HK's, 4 shots instead of 2, and a faster projectile

>>377480383
"damage fall off though!"

>>377480383
Damage fall off + direct hit needing better aim.
Loch n loads grenades are bigger

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fucking why
what was wrong with "run to build boost to jump higher"
it was god tier in mvm and now it fucking sucks

>>377480547
In my experience, the direct hit requires lesser aim due to the faster projectile. Guess it's all opinionated. Personally I find myself dominating servers whenever I use the weapon.

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>>377479835
>mfw original Fist of Steel and insta heal from throwing sandvich

People nowdays just bitch about everything, you cant have fun if you are not playing Soldier

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post literal meme guns

>>377480383
>damage falloff
>most soldiers can't aim for shit / aim exclusively at feet and rely on splash so they don't like using DH, which results in few people complaining about DH

That's why.
In the hands of anyone that knows how to >aim or even just lead targets a bit it's a bullshit weapon.

>>377480641
Direct hit is the scrub's choice for 1v1s, I can't think of a better weapon for pubstomping

>>377480629

>getting more damage for free just by doing what you should be doing all the time

The Diamondback got the same problem

>>377479608
This. The thread is for weapons that are nerf'd to being entirely uselsss. The Loch may no longer be the one shot killer, but it's good for a "That Sentry nest has to die but I don't have a Direct Hit" sort of Demo loadout.

>>377480383
>falloff
>smaller explosion radius
Also demo is supposed to fight within a set range, and be weak against targets right in his face or very far away. LnL buffed demo in both those areas making him a constant threat no matter what you did.

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>>377480780
Every try hard spy's favorite weapon.

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Don't know why this exclusively became a TF2 focused thread but w/e. Let me talk about this piece of shit right here for a sec

>minimal healing gained
>damage vulnerability ensuring that the only use for the weapon is to get trash damage onto unaware enemies
>mad milk already fucking exists

>>377481153
I love how it looks, but I suck at headshotting people. Any tips for this? I have 1100+ hours in the game and I still can't into it

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>>377480629
>scout already has god tier mobility
>lets give him six jumps, what could go wrong
if you don't see a problem with this you're fucking retarded

>>377481325
Click on heads.

>>377481325
aim at their heads

>>377481213
the only good side over mad milk is that it can be used in water that's it, such a crappy weapon.

>>377478810
>battle rifle
>7.62x39mm

no

>>377481325
just play sniper for fucks sake

>>377481325
Step 1. Run backwards
Step 2. Try not to miss frantically as the enemy is trying to frantically murder the shit outta you
Step 3. Die trying to do the sick headshots
Step 4. Just use Stock.

I know you want to get gud with it, but trust me, I've tried, I'd rather just have reliable stock damage and crit hit than a meme that's only good with players who can aim in a tense situation. I don't aim for the head when I'm running away, I just shoot at the model to do damage to get them off me.

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why is the most fun class and why is it spy

>>377481482
It's not that bad. It can help you and your team survive and put out fires and stuff.

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>>377481678
>oh boy can't wait to play spy today
>4 other spies already on team
>they're all at the bottom of the board

>>377481592
I suck with Sniper too, but I don't care about it enough to git gud. I just have a hard-on for revolvers

>>377481643
I'll give it a try for an hour or two before giving up, I hope it turns out decently

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>>377481778

>you're the only spy on payload
>top of the board

>>377481814
>I just have a hard-on for revolvers
then use the stock revolver, it's just as good as amby

>>377481869
But it doesn't have the engravings

>people don't have/use spy big kill

a shame it costs a billion dollars

I still use the Iron Curtain for heavy, shits rad as fuck

>>377481153
I don't get why they even bother, it's not like they can lands those headshots consistently, meanwhile the stock has great damage, is easier to aim, and can kill a full health heavy in a few hits.

>>377481897
It's a nice gun, I'll give you that.
But the engravings give you no tactical advantage whatsoever, unless you were planning to auction it off as a collectors item.

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>>377474543
God forbid a weapon with such a high stat requirement and weight do even remotely decent damage

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>>377474543
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>377474543
Was it ever useful for anything beyond having a few giggles by being a tard for some time?

>>377481918
I don't like the big kill, too cartoony even for TF2.

>>377474543
I miss caber demoknight...

>>377482153
Please bring back the original reload speed, Valve. That's all it needs.

>>377482132
All they needed to do was remove its ability to be buffed

that's it

the high base attack was fine given the sheer stat investment required to wield it

>>377482174

if you pulled it out you'd one shot any light class enemy with 1 swing and you'd launch into the air like a retard

you'd live too

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1vizMEQOIM

>>377481918
>Not using the lugermorph

>>377482382

>lugermorph
>spy revolver

and I do use the lugermorph anon

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>>377481897
It is, and it's painful that the mechanics are attached to a nice model.

But it's a niche meme gun at the end of the day. You either get gud, or go with reliable.

Or if your a good spy and don't mind spending, get something that's the best of both worlds

>>377482348
Seriously
It doesn't even do as much damage as the fucking heavy greatsword.
We're talking about the DS3 version right?

>>377482423
Well by that logic i could say that the spy doesn't fucking use the iron curtain, i thought we were just listing cool reskins.

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>>377474543
It was my favorite weapon and my main reason to play demoman, I used it with the rushing shield
I didn't even know it was nerfed since I didn't played since a while ago
I'm sad now

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>>377482379
>"it's a glitch!"
>in game tool tip says it's a function
>the weapon stats even had it in the description

Valve are fucking completely moronic just reverse the nerf please.

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>>377474543

Motherfuckers in COD 1 would abuse the shit out of that grenade and they always knew where to throw and get me the last second.

>GRANATEEE
>try to run
>too late

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>>377482010
Because they're spy mains and they're after LE SEEK EPBIN MAY MAY HEAD SHOTZ for their montage reel.

Here's a chart I made some time ago detailing the worst to best in Spy weaponry.

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>>377482605
>diamondback anywhere above shit tier

>>377482605
How much does the skin cost?

>>377479468
This nerf fucking hurt, it was so fun to do the axtinguisher combo. Required way more finesse than being a W+M1 tard pyro, too.

Didn't they eventually nerf the fucking heavy, of all things, too? The gun takes some time after spinning to make some proper damage or something? The problem with balance changes on TF2 is that they are aimed to please the most casual of casual players.

>>377482658
Diamondback is better than the Ambassador.

>>377482658
>Stores crits
>Still has decent damage
>Practically stock
Are you possibly mentally retarded?

>>377482605
L'entranger is best for being covert
use it with stock watch to get like 9 seconds of cloak then shoot retards not looking to get lots back

>>377482715
it's a straight up crutch version of the amby though
there may not be many spies who can use amby but at least they have the shame to not use the diamondback

>>377481153
They nerfed it to shit long ago. Really not worth the tradeoff from stock anymore.

>>377482605
ambassador is a fun pub weapon at the very least

>>377482778
Still better.

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>>377482605
>the days of Dr. Enforcicle
>battle spies fucking everywhere

>>377482969
only if you can't get headshots

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>fun as fuck at release
>valve notices people like it more than the default RL and panic
>nerfed into the ground
>now the absolute worst piece of shit in the game

>>377482132
is that even a sword? lol what the fuck

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>>377483103
>he doesn't know

>>377483103
It actually gets used often in competitive.

>>377482658
It's above the Ambassador because it doesn't have a shit fire rate and can do damage without having to aim frantically while a Pyro wants to rape your tight asshole.

The Enforcer is below it because it's nerf turned it into a gun that's TOOOO situational. It only does it's bonus damage if you fire and hit from a disguise, not to mention it's only use after that is to fuck with Vaccinator Medics. It's just too situational.

Diamond Back on the other hand has crits based on your stabs and saps that reliably work without the need for precise aiming. It has a slight damage debuff which is better compared to the Amby, and a fire rate that isn't shit. It's decent weapon stats locked into a ugly model. I pretty much listed the revolvers in terms of how useful they really are as tools to a Spy's arsenal. The last one is just a meme for going stock and looking pretty while doing it, seeing as Top Shelf Revolver and Knife are the best weapon skins EVER.

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>>377483139
The weapon icon for it only shows the handle and a small part of the blade

the full sword is a gigantic slab of steel. It's absurdly large but that's because it's the largest weapon in the game

>>377482153
Who the FUCK thought the Scout needed a lameass version of the airblast that can't reflect shit and has terrible range?

>>377483103
It was actually un-nerfed anon. It no longer has a mag of 5, but now it does normal damage against people once more, and still has the crazy altfire.

>>377483103
Are you dumb? Its better than default when you are not attacking buildings as it does literally the stock damage + infinite ammo.

>>377483286
If you're playing on a no-crits autism server I can see that it would just be a rocket launcher with infinite ammo

Still doesn't excuse that they ruined the alternate fire

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>>377474543
Every weapon that isn't stock and doesn't belong to Soldier or Medic

Gotta maintain Soldier's supremacy or youtube kiddies will cry it's too hard to make epic killstreak compilations again.

>>377483418
loli haet pizza

>>377482682
Last I checked roughly $20 for Factory New without Strange. Same as Knife.

>>377483442
Engineer has the most good alternate weapons.
Also heavy has good stuff like Sandvitch, GRU, and Holiday Punch

>>377479802
>You needed aim and were rewarded for it
>Thats the thing you dont need aim for the loch n load.

Stop whining

>>377483598
Engineer doesn't have one good weapon. Engineer should never be picked. They've nerfed him so bad there's just no point, same as Pyro.

>>377483613
>loch n load needs aim
>t. someone who has never used stock

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What about weapons that have never been useful? I absolutely love the design and idea of the wrap assassin but it's so fucking useless compared to practically any other Scout melee.

>>377482430
Fuck these were so good early on.

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>loch n load has 2 barrels but can load 3 grenades

>grenade launcher has 6 barrels but can only load 4 grenades

bravo, valve

>>377483729
>community has created numerous 4 slot grenade launcher skins
>valve still can't be bothered to fix it 10 years later

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>>377483676

>>377483682
Yes I fucking used stock, loved the shit out of it, didn't use LnL until way later since I only used demo stock. Never went back, all the stock practice paid off

>>377483784
I just want 6 grenades back.

Just nerf the damage a bit yet up the fire rate.
They changed the stock wrench

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>>377483861
>overshill has no sense for balance

What a surprise!

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>>377483876
>let's break one of the most balanced weapons in the game

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>>377483729
>>377483784
FUCKING THIS
IT HAS BEEN TRIGGERING MY AUTISM ALL THIS TIME
ALSO YOU LOAD THE NADES INTO THE SAME TUBE AND YOU CANT SEE THEM WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377483418
>pizza with dip
the US was a mistake

>>377483685
Afterburn got a buff in that it now slows down the heal rate from mediguns, I feel like bleed is in need of a buff too, maybe make it slow down people by at least a few percent, or make it so if you're bleeding and standing still, you take no bleed damage, but if you start moving, you start taking damage.

>>377483940
Fuck I just want 6 grenades back.

Hell, what the problem with just being able to load 6 grenades? No other changes? Just keep the reserve at 18

>>377483908
It's a (you) reaction. Are you that desparate for saying gotcha that you're going to read deep into the image?

We're just having fun talking about shitty weapons and shit, no need to ruin it with your obvious bait.

Someone post the engineer montage webm

>>377477869
>And even then, if you're an attentive sniper, now you have this fuckhead flying around that'll fall out of the sky and instant kill you at the drop of a hat. Even if you're paying attention to your surroundings, he's moving fast enough that reacting to stop him is extremely difficult, meanwhile all he has to do is do a simple stickyjump and slap the floor when he lands.

Why should good players be punished for a bad player's stupidity? This is like removing the Queen from chess because beginners have trouble dealing with queen-based tactics.

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>>377483908
>he can't wreck face as a widowmaker engie
get good

>>377484053
>6 grenades
>can kill 3 soldiers with perfect aim
It's not the smartest move.

>>377483969

it's not for the whole pizza retard, it's for the crust

>>377483729
DIdn't they start like that, but they were buffed and nerfed respectively?

>>377484173
>good players
>throwing two stickies on the ground and flying across the map takes skill

>>377484281
I use to headshot midair dipshits who thought they were being clever all the time because I wasn't a moronic fucking retard that couldn't play the class I was playing.

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>>377484483

>>377481897
The engravings give you no tactical advantage

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>>377484861
>>377482012
>>377481897

>valve invite tournament player to change balance
>they nerf pyro to the ground and fun weapons like loch-n-load and caber
Makes you fucking think.

>>377484173
>Queen-based """"Tactics""""
>Just a Rook and Bishop put together
Fuck you, faggot. Queen """"""""tactics"""""""" < Knight Tactics

>>377485045
It's just like Paradox "balancing" their games around the almost-nonexistent multiplayer. Catering to one fraction of your userbase causes more trouble than it's worth, but apparently these companies have never heard of the term "vocal MINORITY".

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>>377485045
>valve invite tournament player to change balance
except that never happened

>>377484630
>too bad of a player to hit people midair
>named reaction image from Reddit

You sure showed me

>>377483332
Because the shortstop is better at mid range than the scattergun, so pushing away the enemy scout when he gets too close will give you an advantage.

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>>377485207
b4nny is the person they "consulted" for the mym update

>>377482441
>>377482605
Haven't played TF2 in awhile
Is this a new revolver for spy or just a skin for the original?

>>377485423
>too bad of a player to hit people midair
players moving that fast have significantly disjointed hitboxes that lag behind, so no it's not skill it's luck. stop talking out your ass just because you're butthurt valve nerfed your crutch.

>sorting images is reddit
>grasping at straws this hard

>>377485718
it's a skin

>>377485540
he made a video months before mym listing what he wanted to see changed, especially with pyro. none of his suggestions were included. valve has been making dumb decisions like this for years nothing has changed.

>>377485834
not an argument

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BF3 USAS12
>prefire around corners and obliterate entire squads with explosive rounds
>able to gun down aircraft
>kill anyone not inside of a tank with a few shots
holy fuck this thing was godly before it got nerfed, now its just a confetti cannon.

>No backscatter

>>377474543
that goes for most vidya hand grenades w/ blast radius of a fire cracker

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Axes in any FF, mostly the Ivalice games. High damage, but such a low hit rate that they're useless.

It would be cool in the remaster if they fixed it. Lower the damage a little bit, raise the hit rate (keep it a little less accurate than other weapons), and give it a high crit rate

>>377482605
>no big kill above that csgo skin

Fucking newfags everywhere jesus christ

>>377483390
>on defense
>can't be kritz'd

>on offense
>can't go against sentry guns

that's why it's not that great in most situations

it's not bad for 5cp though

>>377487648
>High damage
more like high damage range. I remember Axes were shit in FF 12 because, while they could do a good deal of damage above the other melee weapons of its rank, it had an absurdly low damage floor, like as low as 1 even halfway through the game. It was a gambler's weapon that never paid off.

>>377479468
That was the only thing i really liked doing in TF2. It's not fun overhealing literally everyone as Medic and never being able to play another class because nobody goes medic

>>377488417
>tfw nobody knows that coordinated medic ubersaw ubercharge-chaining is almost unbeatable when pulled off correctly

>>377488528
I pretty much ditched the game for good after Meet your Match. I just want to jump into random lobbies

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From 3 to 13 bullets to kill. With a 12-round mag.

>>377484226
>it's for the crust
Someone should have told me.

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I still play tf2 but there are two huge problems that the game has:

>why play x class when you can play soldier
>the most popular maps are ones where you must funnel through 1-2 choke-points into your death with only small health-kits to sustain you

It really shows that most maps are not designed with 12v12 (aside from swiftwater) in mind. A lot of maps don't ever see play. It would be nice if there was something like an automatic, daily map rotation for casual servers or something.

Or they could just get rid of being able to vote for the same map, getting really sick of the 24/7 valve servers.

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>>377483325
>it's the largest weapon in the game
Not anymore thanks to
LEDO
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>>377486334
>that thing loaded with frag rounds on Metro
Going up those escalators was a nightmare

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>>377485532
>getting up pointblank to push another scout using scattergun 6 feet away will give you an advantage at midrange

>>377483571
The only fucking time I was afraid of spies coming out of nowhere.

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What about guns that were shit to begin with.

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>Used to stun ubers
>Used to force people to stand still when stunned
>Used to go through gates and thin walls before a match begun
>Mfw getting max range stun on a sniper with the team ahead of me but no one kills him during the 8 seconds of being completely helpless noface

>>377477869
>hurf durf i am scoot, i keel demomens
>what? the demomens pulls out MELEE GRENADE?
>i KEEL DEMOMENS, ALLOW ME TO REMAIN WITHIN MELEE RANGE WHEN I AM THE FASTEST CLASS AND HE IS ONE OF THE SLOWEST I AM SO SMART HA HA

>>377488528
>tfw nobody on your team realizes that uber chains are completely neutralized if a single pyro on the team knows how to use m2 so you have to play pyro and do it for them

>>377483685
>That
>Never useful
Get good aiming, use it with the Flying Gullitone, and watch everyone rage as you either crit them or outright kill them from half away across the map.

>>377491054
Sandman is still great

Sandman cleaver combo means you never have to worry about heavies again

>>377491054
Haven't played for a long time, what did they do with the sandman?

>>377480780
This is actually pretty fun

Shit but fun

>>377491004
I use it only because it makes a good sound. The design is awful, though.

>try out black box
>effortlessly take on entire waves of enemies

Jesus I knew this weapon was a crutch but I didn't realize it was actually easy mode

Does the item server go down still from time to time? I love seeing how the current community won't even know what to do with the default weapons.

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>>377474543
Only works for the lost now

>>377491004
But its good.

>>377488528
not at all

>>377482696
the heavy thing is a lie

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>>377495062
fuck edmund and fuck tyrone

>>377482605
Diamondback is literally the best revolver. It's almost as powerful as other Spy guns and you get crits for doing what you're supposed to be doing.

>>377474543
Fuck I hate Valve.

Everything fun about playing TF2 was driven to the ground, fuck comp I just want to have fun why do I have to suffer.
>Axtinguisher no longer crits.
>Equalizer and escape plan.
>Every time a valve employee plays against a good spy and gets raped they dick them all.
>Heavy minigun and sandvich nerf.
>Engi sentry nerf.
>scoot weapons no longer do what they were intended to do.
>Demoman so drunk off his ass every time you play him something about him is fucked.

But worst of all

>Dead players drop metal boxes instead of you being able to pick the weapons for metal
Why the fuck would they do that?

I only play now as sniper to just ruin every bodies day while listening to EDM.

God I miss Tribes.

>>377474543
Not in the of infamy

>>377491054
Sandman is stun in fps done right. Fuck blizzard and man who made mei with burning pitchfork.

>>377496256
That gun is still really good, though. It's just not meta-defining anymore.

>running around as stock soldier
>meet BB soulja with vac medic
>get the fuck out of there
>"lol pussy"

>>377491004
>All those people who rename this weapon some variation of "Shoot it all over my back"

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>>377474543
why is the UZI always the worst SMG in CoD?

>>377496538
The Uzi is the generic "shit SMG" in just about every game ever.

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>>377496256
Fuck you, the 96 Deco is a crutch to end all other crutches.
>tower mode on Urchin Underpass
>96 throws a splash wall so it bounces off a wall and covers his front
>using a Carbon, have to go around
>hop on the tower
>he Krakens and kills me
Panic button Krakens are bad enough, but throw the best defensive sub in the game with a weapon that 2HKs and you have something that's zero fun to play against.

>>377495898
edit: wew lad its real the dick

All mini-guns now have damage and accuracy ramp up after they start firing. Full accuracy and damage is reached 1 second after firing.
Minigun: Spinning up via secondary attack now counts toward reducing the one-second accuracy penalty.

>>377496538
>>377496734
because it's a jew

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>>377486334
The M26 Dart was even more brutal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVwPsF5j4M

>>377486334
>explosive round
what where they thinking

>>377474778
Postal_2.png

>>377480780
It's a throwback to TFC.

So you're not completely wrong.

>>377497492
Not only explosive rounds, shotguns in BF3 were fucking ridiculous because they had different types of ammunition you can choose: dart, slug, buckshot and felchette.

>>377480383
thing that bothers me with DH is that it can one-hit you if you are a 125 hp class at full health

>>377482579
Op is talking about a tf2 weapon btw

>>377481153
a weapon for spies that can't play spy

>>377497445
The AUG Smoke launcher was also pretty fun. It became a railgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysv7UJq4gmE

>>377498057
It still wrecks players. It's a shame that aircraft killing achievement for the gun is impossible now.

>>377482430
the reload animation on these were pure sex

>>377498057
What the fuck did they do to Battlefield?

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>>377484226
are you fucking with me?

>>377498202
That's from the last BF4 expansion, which was a prequel to BF2142.

All sorts of cool maps.

>>377483442
i have always felt that the stock RL blast radius was to forgiving, but changing would probably fuck up rocket jumping so it can't really be changed without a major backlash

>>377496538
>dragonov

>>377498361
the jumping splash dmg is different from the dmg it does to enemies

thats why you can rj with the direct hit consistently apart from the rocket speed

>>377491004
the reward for using this is just not worth the risk

>>377480780
if you could headshot with it without having to wait for it to fully charge it would be good

>>377498651
just have it scale a seperate dmg multiplier from 1.1 at no charge untill standard 3x crit dmg on full charge right?

Damn, I didn't know femboys/traps play this game

t. just played with a TL with a girly voice, everyone was obeying his orders lol.

>>377498914
what game?

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>>377474778
>Implying
>Not wrecking ass to this day with the Catlashnikov
Git gud faget

>>377498984
whoops, wrong thread

>>377482132
>meanwhile the fucking twin greatswords got the babiest of baby nerfs

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TF2 has been my favorite game since I started playing it in 2008. Call me a sheep or simply uninitiated, but this was long before the League of Legends mindset of "if it's troublesome, NERF IT" came about and I've accepted everything Valve has chosen to do with the game balance-wise.

Honestly, with the exception of a few hiccups that were later fixed, Valve has really been on-point with TF2. I wasn't "angry" when the Natascha had that crippling slow effect, I'd just be in it and go "OH FUCK! NATASCHA!"

>>377483685
I don't understand why everybody isn't running the wrap assassin on Scout. I think it's the best one. The bleed effect is really good. Do you guys seriously run around and hit people with the Bat? The Scattergun will always deal more damage.

>>377482379
I had lots of fun with the Righteous Bison. I was using it right up to the nerfs, I thought it was Soldier's best secondary. I've gotten so many multi-kills from that thing critting and hitting multiple foes who were all lined up, it was insane.

It's just a testament to how good the game is. Through the best and its worst with items,
I've always gone with the flow and laughed my ass off playing TF2.

Now, Overwatch on the other hand. I'm ANGRY with almost every single decision they've ever made with the game and with poor state of the game as it still is.

>>377497895
yeah but all these are fine
buckshot is still my favorite tough
explosive round was just shooting the wall next to someone to kill him that was just retarded

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>>377480780
I fucking love it.

>>377498651
It would instantly be a superior stock rifle though. The ability to do any no-scope shooting is crazy in the context of TF2 sniping.

>>377497895
In every BF, I'm all about shotgun with slugs on every map. It was the funniest in BC2, where an 870 with slugs became an ad-hoc sniper.
When I played Hardline I always dominated with the Benelli that way.

Honestly, I'm fine with everything in this game. Except for dead ringer. God, it pisses me off.

>>377499241
>I don't understand why everybody isn't running the wrap assassin on Scout
Because everyone who's not a cunt prefers utility of the atomizer and everyone who is a cunt runs the sandman.

>>377478727
In most cases, these werent even nerfs. They were already useless from day 1.

Pisses me off. I hate when games are dominated by rifles.

>>377499964
The thing about the playerbase is that almost everybody playing spy is using the Dead Ringer, so just expect that every spy you kill just feigned death and you'll have an easier time.

>>377500047
muh 15 health

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>>377499964
sup?

>>377500152
The problem isn't that the spy faked death. The problem is that DR aftereffects make him simply too much of a hassle to hunt down. He survives by being annoying.

>>377496205
>Why the fuck would they do that?

So people could pick up their weapons and use them?

>>377481918
i sold mine and a bunch of other shit in my inventory to pay for mgs5

>>377496205
They drop both boxes and weapons though.

It makes sense to divest ammo / metal pickup from weapons when picking up a weapon meant you could effectively swap loadouts on the field.

>>377482696
>>377495898
The damage ramp up is true, but the most annoying thing is they nerfed all heavy melee options as well, as if that was a problem. Heavy fucking melee couldn't be left alone. Value thought it pertinent to nerf the god damn melee for the slowest class in the game.

>>377500529
Even after all that, heavy is still a very powerful class. They just haven't found a way to make him fun to play.

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>WAAAAHHHH WHY DEV NOT ALLOW ME TO GET FREE KILLS ANYMORE? :((

Why gamers are such a whiny babies?

>>377500793
Engineer wasn't removed from the game though.

>>377481550
autism

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>>377500793
t. dumbass scout that tried to get a meatshot on a caberknight

Who tf_playergib 0 here?

Ragdolls are just the best.

>>377499964
Just give spy new watch that buffs speed n nerfs stealth/health :^)

>>377500590
I think Heavy's gameplay is really good. I just don't like to play him because he gets completely dicked by focus fire and you're begging spies to come after you.

>>377501096
I dunno, to this day I can't believe that a charge ability was given to demo and not heavy.

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>>377499964
>tfw still try to use the invis watch/CnD for the majority of spy play
Its pretty fun if you rock them with the Big Earner, wait for the opportune stab and getting rewarded with the speed to make for a chainstab quicker than they can expect and or slip the fuck out if nobodies about.

>>377500793
Nico is cute!

>>377496529
kek

>>377500590
At least with the Tomi he's not a complete sitting duck when he has to attack, that's probably the only time I find him fun to play though especially because they gimped the "damage resistance when spun up" on other guns. Holy shit they were doing decently with making him more interesting, and they gutted his slight tanking potential to only apply when he's lost half health.

>>377477869
>snipers complaining about being able to die regardless of your own skill

yeh no, fuck you

>>377482153
>>377483332
If pushes interrupted shooting or reloads then it might approach usefulness, but as is it's a joke.

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hey guis!

>>377503268
Nothing says "i have given up" more for both the designers and the players that use it more than that item

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Woe is me! They have taken my zweihander away from me, and I have none to grasp, and I know not who to stunlock!

>>377503268
If you use this you should unironically kys you are self.

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>>377504173
... as opposed to ironically killing one's self?

>>377474696
Bullshit, hook is still good.

>>377490294

I fucking love that thing.

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>weapon with its own unique ability
>hardly anybody complained about it being good/bad because a bit of extra charge for slightly less health was a fair trade
>turn it into a worse zatoichi
I don't even care much for demoknight, but the fact they reworked a weapon with its own useful mechanic and turned it into a worse clone of another just disgusts me and makes me worry how they try to fix what isn't broken by just copy+pasting a similar weapon for the same fucking class.

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It's not really a nerf but I wish they hadn't removed the fast heavies from passtime, drive by shootings on faggot engineers camping the goal were the best

>>377482715
Not if you know how to aim noob.

gunq1

>>377505054
If one knew how to aim, one would play a better class though

>>377477869
Serves you right for playing sniper.

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Pic not related to thread topic.

This shit has been dodging a highly deserved nerf for nearly a DECADE.

Because it exists I can't viably use the Ham as a Medic. Or any other Medic melee. Everything else is balanced (and thus weaker than the straight upgrade that is Ubersaw) or banned.

>>377506228
LOL a ham! That's so random

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This isn't even nerfed. It's that bad.
>tfw the 2nd DLC weapons did this better

>>377506365
>hates fun
if you don't like "le random exxdee", aka a basic staple of comedy for thousands of years to use non sequiturs for entertainment, then TF2 clearly isn't your game

>>377500590
>>377501174
Heavy should've been the one with the Conch, BB etc. Or at least share with Solly. He's the backbone of the team and almost always situated near others so it makes perfect sense

>>377506228
Buff Amputator, nerf Uber

>>377506732
amputator is equal to the bonesaw and thus does not need buffs. this is coming from a person who actually even uses it sometimes

>>377506578
>let's fuck with readability, the characterization, and the aesthetic because I think ham weapon is supper funny
Ten different models having the same exact stats is shit. Gotta memorize a bunch of weapons being the same shit because some mouthbreather thinks it is funny.

>>377506803
What about Vita?

>>377506228
I still use the Amputater over it because I value the +1 regen more than a chance at gaining bonus ubercharge%. You could argue that +1 regen is nothing at all, but every bit of survivability counts

>>377506903
A broken release from the get-go. Thanks Sony

>>377506994
me

and I also use the Overdose as my go-to medic primary for the same reason. More movement speed means I can get out of trouble easier.

>>377499490
>It would instantly be a superior stock rifle though. The ability to do any no-scope shooting is crazy in the context of TF2 sniping.
yeah, but perhaps with some damage decrease it would feel fairer and prevent insta 150 headshot noscopes

>>377507173
>prevent insta 150 headshot noscopes
>boom
>instant 125 headshot noscopes

t. valve

>>377506876
a leg of ham does not contradict tf2's aesthetic in any way. that's like saying the Sandvich does. It's just fucking food.
Characterization? The only merc who could be said not to enjoy a good leg of ham would probably be Spy, and he doesn't use it anyway.
Shit argument.
>gotta memorize
the only mouthbreather is you for not being able to understand the easy concept "if I see a melee weapon, try not to get hit by it while shooting the guy".
>>377506903
Vita is pretty boring and underused in pubs because pubbies don't push off uber advantage, it's not hard to get full uber without dying since people aren't focusing you 24/7, and thus the 10HP for up to 20% of Uber saved on death isn't really a good trade when instead you could have Ubersaw.

Meanwhile in comp it's OP because players do push off uber advantages and focus down Medics, making it supremely useful, and thus banned.
Vita-Saw needs a rework basically.

so why was the dead ringer nerfed again?

The Master Sword

>>377499964
if you ask me the dead ringer needs punishment for when you feign death so you can't abuse it. something like a "can't use primary for 3 seconds after uncloak" which would mean you would have to make a decision of whether its really worth to take the risk and feign to get behind enemy lines. it would also give pyro an advantage so spies can't use their gun if a pyro is close

>>377506994
I love regen as a concept and even run full HP regen crutch loadout on Soldier (Black Box, Conch, Escape Plan) but I can't bring myself to drop Ubersaw for a weapon with an actual downside

>>377507173
Overwatch had an interesting balance experiment with Widowmaker.

Turns out, scoped charge speed didn't really affect her ability to delete people. The nerf that actually hurt her was the scoping and unscoping delays, so they undid the charge speed nerf because she was sucking shit in the 3-tank meta (still does).

Letting you no-scope headshot people with the Classic uncharged wouldn't make it less ridiculous.

>>377507392
>remove speed boost
>remove afterburn immunity for 3 seconds
fixed

>>377507286
>a leg of ham does not contradict tf2's aesthetic in any way. that's like saying the Sandvich does
The heavy is holding a Sandvich. He eats it. It restores health. Alright.
The (all-class) is holding a Ham. It's a weapon. It does exactly as much damage as a glass bottle, a baseball bat, and an axe.
Yes that's betraying the art design, by having an item misrepresent its function.

>>377500529
never understood why heavy can't have a slow but powerful melee, you want to stay away from heavy not get close to him so it fits him well

>>377501071
ragdolls have given me many hearthy keks, especially when you nail someone to a wall with the crossbow or huntsman and they just hang there

>>377507521
Heavy should have hold-and-release melee. It would fit his minigun rev-up.

>>377503268
this and the other shield should never have existed

literally all tf2 unlocks have been nerfed into oblivion. there are maybe 2 or 3 unlocks left that are worth using over the stock weapons. the broken unlocks were the most fun

>>377474696

They nerfed the hook to noobs that relied too much on it.

I still main hog and I still wreck shit with him. If anything, the spread was the buff it needed.

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>>377507474
>The (all-class) is holding a Ham. It's a weapon. It does exactly as much damage as a glass bottle, a baseball bat, and an axe.
Yet again your argument falls flat on its face by ignoring that TF2's weapons have always done that.
In what world is a glass bottle equally painful to be hit by as fists and a fire axe, which should logically hurt (a) less and (b) more?
In what world do fists leave a bullet hole in concrete upon punching, and cause more harm than being slashed in the face with a knife?
>having an item misrepresent its function
The class holds the Ham Shank in their generic melee weapon pose. It's not hard to recognize that they're going to hit you with it instantly. If you couldn't understand that and died once, congratulations, now you know for the rest of your TF2 career.

>>377499241
>>377499241
LOOK I HATE OVERWATCH I'M COOL AMIRITE???
fuck off already
they did great with the hook

>>377507662
a bear hug?
>>377507843
"I want games to be P2W"

do vs saxton hale server still live? That was all I fucking played in 2011 or 2012.

>>377507245
i was thinking something like 100 hs, making it a worse ambassador

>>377507474
goodnight autist stay mad

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when will valve bugfix the Enforcer?

if they do that, Spy's primary weapon loadout will be pretty much perfectly balanced

>>377508018
well technically yes, but seeing actual Saxton Hale in them now is rare.
They have a bunch of weird autistic models that remind one of Second Life. Also, people REEEE if you cap the point.
Much better to instead get yourself into MGE servers and git gud so you can stomp people.

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>>377496256
Wrong, all of splatoon's weapon nerfs were perfectly fine.
Most weapons, like pic related, were overpowered pieces of shit at first. Now you still see them around but you feel less cheated if you die from them. To be honest I don't know why they thought most of these were balanced day one or how you could defend this bullshit. Well, other then of course you are a scrub who needs to accept you were only doing good because you were using unbalanced bullshit.

>>377507908
A glass bottle is easily identifiable as a weapon when held that way. A piece of ham like that can't be considered a weapon unless the thing is completely frozen. It plays off of expectations and reasonable logic to an extent, the ham does not play well with that. Adding clutter with no actual value is shit design, and dumping their ar style like they have is a fucking sin.

>>377507908
>In what world is a glass bottle equally painful to be hit by as fists and a fire axe, which should logically hurt (a) less and (b) more?
Video game.
Balance.
>In what world do fists leave a bullet hole in concrete upon punching, and cause more harm than being slashed in the face with a knife?
video game

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>>377474543
they take the most balanced sword he has and then nerf it, fucking why?

>>377508263
People always reeee'd about capping the point, I only remember there being Saxton hale, the headless man and those shitty soldier/sniper youtube meme characters.

>>377508352
>>377508314
>video game
which is why the ham is like that, dumb nigger, because it's a video game. How dumb can you be? The whole purpose of video games is fun. The ham is fun. That's all there is to it.
You realismfags have no fucking place in the arena shooter genre (where Soldier literally ROCKET JUMPS) whatsoever. Just honestly leave TF2 if you can't curb your autism. Goodnight.

>>377508493
You are barking up wrong nigger, nigger.

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>>377508480
Now they have about 1000 different bosses with custom skins
bronyshit of course, jason voorhees, trump, gaben, a thousand other things

>>377508493
It's about consistency: The soldier can rocket jump. He can always rocket jump. That's how it functions. The ham doing different damage despite different classes wielding it is inconsistent and thus is bad. You can't just defend every bad decision as "it's a videogame" and "ham is funny"

>>377479468
I actually sort of see where Valve was coming from with the Axtinguisher nerf. it's actually balanced now, it's just really boring. if they change it so it has a passive nerf and then make its active abilities stronger it'll be a top tier fun and balanced weapon

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>>377479276
>>377479424

>>377508493
I dislike it because "lel le ham ecksdee" is not even remotely funny at this point, and if you can't figure out why having different values on something depending on who wields it is a bad thing, you're the shitter for not being attentive to that part of the game.

>>377497959
ONLY if you are at very close range, and only if the Soldier actually hits you.

Soldier is already capable of twoshotting 125HP classes with the stock Rocket Launcher anyway, without even having to aim. People complaining about Direct Hit oneshotting are dumb

>>377500152
>The thing about the playerbase is that almost everybody playing spy is using the Dead Ringer, so just expect that every spy you kill just feigned death and you'll have an easier time.

This. it's unfun as fuck to play against, but whatever

>Kill a Spy
>Pull out any speed-boosting weapon and rush straight to the nearest health/ammo pack
>Spy is there 99% of the time. Kill him once more and THEN you get to play the game again.

DR is just a boring speed-bump that slows down actual gameplay

>>377508750
It's clutter. It's noise. It obfuscates the game for a shitty joke that mischaracterizes the cast. Demo has a bottle because he's a drunkard. Heavy uses his fists because he's tough and no-nonsense. The ham? It's funny? If you're fourteen, I suppose?

>>377508956
No. Give Pyro tools for advanced movement and make the Flamethrower actually require skill.

The reason people hate Pyro is because bad players shit on bad players with him, and good players are useless against good players with him.

A straight up stats buff like you propose will make him better at shitting on bad players, but 150HP and 107% speed will not make him significantly better against comp players. And even if it did, they'd ban him, because nobody wants to play against noskill W+M1 faggotry.

The answer to fixing Pyro is to give it mechanics that make it more powerful in the hands of skilled players, and less powerful in the hands of bad players. Sort of like how Ambassador works on Spy.

>>377509139
>noskill W+M1 faggotry.
hahahahaha salty faggot

Any good servers with custom weapons?

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Used to piss off kids using pic related, one day valve decided it was too much fun

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How do I hit heads with the Huntsman? Anything I hit with it feels more like a lucky shot than a proper prediction.

I had some guy in the last server I played consistently heads-hotting me though.

>>377504629
What about the wheel turner shield?

>Charge is lost when taking damage mid-charge

I actually miss the Falchion bullshit where it didn't need to deplete the entire charge and getting pushed by a pyro didn't empty the charge. It was still really fucking shit.

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>>377510093
>the actual size of that head varies depending on your angle.
Yea this shit doesn't make any sense to me.

>>377510257
only explanation i can think of is that you was standing inside the projectile hitbox and since source doesnt check for collision if your inside a thing it just went through

or it was lag being fucky with the hitbox

>>377509835
>See fucker using this (I did too)
>Headshot
>He dodges away momentarily
>Switch to sub-machinegun
>Plink him once he pops back out
>Ded

The sets were actually nice and the first time I gave fuck about getting particular hats.

>>377510257
Is there any way to disable that HUD at the top with the character portraits?

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>>377510493
>Tfw have to play with 120ms minimum

>>377510557
No idea

>>377510556
the best part was getting called cheater constantly by salty snipers

>>377508352
Which is his point retard

>>377508462
Not that balanced tho.
I always got ez kills with demokight using it

>>377474543
>>377479521
I remember playing on those payload race on Pipeline and jumping from my spawn point to the other side of the map and kill every Sniper on their nest.

LnL was my favorite weapon in the game, good times playing Arena.

>>377511108
That's fuckin' stupid, wait, why aren't the projectile boxes cylinders?

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>>377511108

>>377474696
>nerfed

It literally got better, the 2s cooldown increase was basically meaningless compared to the functionality improvements.