Do you think you are good at video games?

>>377472170
I'm between okay and just plain old, nothing special good.

>>377472170
wow that guy is a douche

>I worked, like, sooo haaaard to get this good
>but there are plenty of people way better than me
>it must be because they have magic since they can't have worked harder than I did

>>377472421
>speedrun a game
>2 month later finally great time
>well if someone gonna beat it he has to put as much ti---
>some guy who just started ti speedrun a day-two-ago beats it by pretty damn insane timesave, all perfect

no anon, talent is a thing that exist

>le talent meme

>>377472545
speedrunning is for autistic faggots anyway

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>>377472170
yes, I beat Wizardry 4 when I was 5 years old with no cheats or guides. It took a fucking long time, but I did it. I had to hand draw all the fucking maps out on graph paper. We didn't even have Internet access at the time. This alone puts me above 99% of other vidya gamers out there.

>>377472170
this is retarded.

talent means someone can learn things quickly in some field.

its not like some kid will be born knowing how to do integrals or some shit, he still needs to learn them just as we do, but prodigies tend to be obssessive and catch up very quickly.

Better than average, but only because "average" is really fucking bad

>>377472170
Success is a myth.

Talent is unearned, and hard work is usually a waste of time better spent elsewhere.
People admire Olympians, for instance, but what did they do to deserve it?
>hurr durr I have a eight foot wingspan and webbed fingers
>hurr durr I sat in an O2 chamber for three years
>hurr durr look at me swim
Why should I care?

>>377472634
So is arranging your favorite pictures of men's assholes by color and shape. Better to be a fan of the former than to do the latter.

>>377472720
hard work and creativity >>> talent anyway

>>377472720
>can learn things quickly
this

basically what you put into TONS and TONS of time they do/achieve without breaking a sweat in record time

>>377472170
I can be top tier if I had the time and patience, but I usually have real life stuff to do instead like make money and touch girls butts.

I miss being a teenage virgin playing vidya all day

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>>377472421
Reminder that Adachi did nothing wrong.

>>377472545
Cosmo is that you?

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>>377472170
>People with natural born talent don't have to work hard to get where they are
>People honestly think that others with natural born talent can just do it on a whim, and not have to practice as well

>>377472734
>Why should I care?
Exactly what came to mind reading your opinion.

Better than most, not as good as some. I'm cool with it.

>>377472170
The better you get at something, the more it starts to become work as opposed to a hobby. Look at league competition fags. Their entire day is spent on that shit, and if they don't play, their livelihood is destroyed

>>377472793
>t. jelly untalented fag

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>>377472170
Adachi did nothing wrong.

>>377472421
thats what real life is, hell i didnt like it when a guy 10 years younger than me (hes 19) suddenly became my boss after working one month when I've been working at my job for 9 years. Yes he also gets paid more too. Must be because of his natural talent, right? Yeah.

It sucks to see people younger than you do a lot better than you, an older person, I guess.

>>377472170
I was always the worst in my friend group. My best friend, and his brother always thrashed me, so I assumed I wasn't good.
That was until I played video games with another friend group. Turns out, I'm not bad, and way better than any of them. My friend, and his brother are just too fucking good.
Better than normies, not actually good

>>377472943
>going on a website for NEETS only
>having a job
pick one normalfag

>>377472734
>T. Beta - the post

>>377472930
He did nothing right either

>>377472793
Would creativity not be a kind of talent, i.e. something innate that can't be taught? Can a person really learn to be creative?

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Adachi thread?

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>>377472773
>not arranging by taste

Do you lads think a person can also learn aptitude? Not discover that they have it, but acquire it.

>>377472170
depends

>>377472971
>having a job makes you normal

Yeah, rightio.

>>377472545

I've actually seen this happen a couple times. It's a combination of someone who was working on theirs for so long at the same time having unfortunate timing and sometimes its a case of a veteran speedrunner taking interest in the game that just got a new shiny number to beat.

>>377472170
Talent is largely just a meme stupid people with no drive use to rationalize their lack of effort. Yeah sometimes a small advantage or two exists but usually someone is better then someone else because they had a much stronger drive and perspective on something so this comic is complete trash.

As for myself i think im better at games then like 90% of players in the games i play. But sadly a large percentage of people in fighting games/arena shooters etc are completely trash.

Even when i go on Souls pvp which has like 2-3 fundamentals at best people can't bait and fall for the dumbest shit in the book well having on concept of when they're safe/spacing.

I might be shitting on said people too hard because i have put alot of work into fighting games to get decent but still the mistakes people make well having equal or great backround then myself that i play baffle me. I know one personally who has played fighters since 3s owns several arcade sticks one for each gen and claims GG is "his game" hes awful and i beat him day one at GG 10-0. its weird how people can be so bad with so much experience.

>>377472979
Yes.

>>377472845
they just have to "work" "a lot less" to get the same results as untalented or disabled people. People really can just do it on a whim

>>377473104
How?

>>377473092
Nah, he is literally nobody, just appeared out of nowhere and barely finished game causally.

A bigger issue than talent is people being born into the right families and riding on the coattails of the connections their parents/grandparents/etc. built.

I generally pick up stuff fast but I'm not good at fps or first person games. I have sperg talent for 2d games though.

I can't get good at fps though, it's my achilles heel. I spent most of my youth playing emulated arcade games so I don't think my brain wired itself to be good at fps. No matter how long I try I get raped. But give me a couple dozen hours in a fighting game, or a CAVE shooter? I'll fucking rape that and make people surprised how fast I pick it up

>>377472979
of course you can learn to be creative, being creative is a state of mind so to speak, if you know how to achieve that, you can create.

basically you can learn to be talented as well, as in learn how to learn things quickly, but this also requires an open mind and effort.

>>377473149
By learning to see the world in different ways, for example. Eventually you can learn to pull things apart and put them back together in your head.

>>377472545
Except you forgot to mention the two individuals backgrounds in gaming. Obviously one has more experience then the other. Talent only gets you so far in a hobby, the rest is hard work.
>>377472170
This guy stays in his comfort zone for years and when he realizes that he hasn't improved at all he lets his insecurities get the best of him and he decides to put down other artist hard work by dismissing it as only talent. He's a piece of shit and I hope he fails at life.

>>377473143
People with talent are just 1% better than people without talent. That's it. You can let talent go to waste, and people without talent can surpass you.

>>377473172
Nepotism is a fact of life, my man. Nothing you or I can do about it.

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i'm currently playing as a "pro" in a casual game and am getting paid $2k every month for it

>>377472943
>becoming a manager right out of high school
>thinks this has anything to do with "talent"
It's obviously a mix of him working hard for a 4.0 GPA and a bunch of extracurriculars with a dash of nepotism.

>nu-male not knowing the value of putting in effort

offc

>>377473246
>The artist can draw fairly decently
>Bitches about talent

>>377472971
its a warehose job and i get $8. started working here when i was in college, still cant find a job despite my bachelors, but its better than living on the streets. im not neet im just not a normie

>>377472170
Talent would be better represented by someone quickly building what took him years to build, nepotism is the cloud.

I don't think talent means you already know how to do it. It just means that you easily pick it up and understand it.

It's like, anything. Gaming, drawing, learning a language. Everybody has their own thing they have a knack at.

Anyway, I think I'm just barely above average at games. Like DOTA and FPS. My rankings hover around above average and reflect that. If I put more time into it I could probably be an eSports fag, but that would take thousands of hours of focused work.

>>377472862
>>377472973
You got me.
Any rebuttal to the argument though?

No one has ever had success, achieved whatever these "talents" are for, without someone telling them exactly what qualifies as success first, without their input.
Even the word "talent" comes from a word meaning a day's wages.
It's all a scam.

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who else /only good at 2d games like fightan and shmups but can't play first person games?

My reaction time is a no joke 165ms too and I still cannot aim. I can manipulate a twodee character easily but aiming, bunnyhopping, flick shooting, rocket jumping? nope. Brain wasn't meant for that.

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>>377473172
The people who are born into the right families get the right kind of diet, right sleep patterns, learn things from the get-go because their parents teach them (like the son of carmack lmao), get physical activities.

its no wonder they succeed in life when so many people live with broken ass families, single mothers, alcoholic dads, no physical activity, horrible nutrition they don't even grow to their full potential and live as manlets for their whole lives.

no wonder they don't succeed too.

>>377473265
what geam

>>377473208
>>377473231
Mm, I see what you guys are saying, but is this learning to be creative or learning to tap into what creativity you have that you maybe hadn't used before? Then again, maybe that's all talent is; tapping into unknown resources due to acquiring the sufficient drive to do so. I dunno, I'm rambling.

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>>377472845
Fuck you too.

>>377473340

>Warehouse

Don't envy the supervisor

>>377472170
Talent is not a lie and it amuses me that so many artists get so butthurt about being told they're naturally better at something

that said the guy in OP's pic is pretty obviously unable to ignore comparing himself to other people and is clearly just using the existence of talent as a boring excuse

>>377473392
ovawatch

>>377472170
"talent" guy is standing on a pillar of hard work, too; it's just that the comic's artist can't see it

>>377473391
>learn things from the get-go because their parents teach them
That wouldn't be so bad but a lot of times they don't even have the qualifications and are just handed the position because of their family.

>>377472170
I think i'm good at wasting my life with video games

>>377473327
>can draw fairly decently
sorry to say but this guys art is shit
I know children who have a better understanding of lighting and shading then this guy does

>>377472734
Genetics are the only place talent somewhat exists. This thread applies to video games. Tokido got bodied by a kid with broken teeth who speaks in broken as ebonics and memes in SFV despite holding a genius IQ and degrees.

>>377473381
Same I cant aim for shit so I just play support in FPS

>>377473172
what's the issue? are you saying "suffer as I did"? odd.

>>377472421
Talent does exist, you just haven't met a real talented person yourself, some people were just chosen by God.

>>377472170
No I'm fucking terrible at every game I've ever played aside from racing games.

>>377473603

SFV is a bad game.

>>377473601
He can still draw better than most people

>>377472170
i wish i could break all of owlturd's fingers so he could never draw comics again

I felt pretty talented at history from all those historical fiction games gettin me to read up on what actually happened (far as sources claim) way back when; in the least I can point out a good bit of general things on maps of the eastern hemisphere right now so long as it isn't obscure bullshit like something smack dab in the middle of asia

man I got blasted out of the water in college, depressed the hell out of me and I hated writing papers before I even entered college but I never considered anything else but something relating to history, fuck "talent" man rely on work and only let talents accentuate said work without being the backbone of it

OP's pic is depicting some jealous cunt though

>>377473293
lol he got all Cs in school and drank during class. i was the one who graduated with the 4.0 in shit. he has no plans of going to college

but he did know people come to think of it, thats what going to parties does, increases social circles. also i have autism and am bad with talking. my last post in the thread time to talk about video games again

>>377472545
>Some neet loser does a speed run and posts it online
>Literally have a video guide now to see how to speed run the game, and can see where to improve from the videos mistakes
>Watch neet losers video and do a better speed run
GEE I SURE WONDER HOW HE BEAT YOUR TIME BRO

>>377473079
>not having a tugboat

>>377472170
I got 50,000 in double dragon.

>>377473650
Talent exists, but people with godlike skill are like that because they both have talent and worked hard. You just didnt see any of it.

>>377472170
I'm above average in most games but not really great in any

>>377473439
The very definition of tragedy

>>377472170
Mediocre, average on everything. A bit good on true action games.

>>377472421
"Talent is what people call the unseen effort"

>>377473723
most people or most artist? because if it's the latter then you're wrong and being better at drawing then people who don't even draw isn't anything to brag about.

>>377473765
>Working in the same place for 9 years
>Complaining about others not getting an education after high school while you're bumbling about and wasting your time working a shitty job
I'm sure that 4.0 GPA is looking nice with all the dust it's collected.

>>377473249
People will talent are leaps and bounds better than those without talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s&feature=youtu.be&t=2m59s

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>>377472170

Wow this guy reeks almost as bad as Dobson

Luck is a skill.

>>377473921
Most people, not most artists. There are many people that struggle with simple shapes and poses.

>>377473407
maybe you're right when you say 'tappint into unknown resources', but you see, most of the processing the brain does is not known to us, like when people say they slept and when they wake the answer is clear..?

if you put effort into grinding everyday, learning new things, then after a while learning will become easy; this is one way to view things.

same with creativity, if everyday you're open to new ideas and let them come, learn new things and always be open to new things, your brain's autonomous function will only grow with time.

its like the brain is a digital pet, but you can't see or hear it, but you are uknowingly feeding it everyday and if you feed it the right things, that pet will reward you with new knowledge.

but if you have poor nutrition, don't sleep and never learn new things, also think everything is boring and isn't excited for anything, then your pet brain will be a boring fuck forever and never give you new gifts like new skills.

Counter-Strike taught me that I don't have talent. In a straight up face off I lose everytime. Quick aiming is just something I'll never be good at. So I became good at something else. Out thinking my opponents. It's a skill I developed and it's got me banned from several servers where the players pride themselves on their ability to click heads fast.

>>377472170
This guy should actually kill himself.

>>377472170
>These talent denialfags
Talent is real, some people will just never be as good as others in something.
I've destroyed veterans as a newbie and been decimated by brand new players after years of playing.
Same with physical abilities, you either have the most extreme genes to compliment your sport, or you'll never be number one.
Some have it, others don't, life is simply unfair.
Practice can only compensate, the rest you have to rely on luck and trickery. Underhanded techniques will pave the way to victory against someone more talented.

>>377472943
Because getting jobs has nothing to do with skill level. Thus, the point is moot as to whether hard work or talent results in skill in your example. People get jobs because they're in the right place at the right time, or they know the right people.

>>377473708
It is and i have no rebuttal.

>>377474054
>Most people, not most artists
Ok, then your statement means nothing.
Why would you compare an artist with non-artist? You're comparing apples or oranges at that point.

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Is this the Adachi thread?

>>377472545
Cosmo get out

>>377474229
But you cannot measure it so you can't prove its real. You cannot say those people who are better didn't work harder. Time put in also doesn't equate to quality of effort. Someone could play a game braindead for a year and someone could come in and play it for a week or two well spending time thinking about it on the side and putting immense effort and already surpass them.

Talent is not measurable and cannot be prove to exist or not exist. Its a pointless topic that is only brought up by those who wish to blame something other then themselves.

>>377472734
>Success is a myth.

Look man, if you wanted people to call you a fucking retard all you had to do was ask you fucking retard.

>>377472170
Sometimes. But then I drop the ball in multiplayer games and get really, really mad.

>>377472170
>tumblr shit

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>>377472170
Yes, but not because of talent. Talent is just hard work that you started doing 'for fun' as a kid, and that would describe people really good at video games today very well. It would also describe good writers, artists, athletes etc.
It might seem like they are "just awesome" at what they do because they worked so little for it, but they only worked so little because they didn't realize most of it was work; it was recreation for them to start with. They might have applied actual work into getting better, but chances are they were already pretty good just from so much experience. That's where the myth of 'talent' comes from.

>>377472170

I think I could be far above average if I just focused on one game and didn't play any others but that's not really why I play games. I don't think I've ever reached that level in a game.

There was a time back in about 2009 or so when MW2 was still popular. I was the talent cloud guy back then because I only got to play online occasionally since I didn't have reliable internet access and rarely ever played online. I used to pull some Gregor shit and get away with it like I'd been playing online against people for at least a decade.

Now I'm 30 and couldn't play my way out of a wet paper bag against most people

>>377472703
Define "beat"

>>377474229
reminder that a talented football player with zero practice will never ever beat another talentless football player with years of practice.

talent only decides the maximum one can reach,
doesn't mean talented person immediately better than everyone.

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>>377472170
Reminder that if you put forth even the slightest modicum of passion and effort into your hobby you are infinitely better than all the "intelligent but underachieving" autists.

>>377472170
can we raid and bully this guy? like we did to dobson.

>>377474338
You're comparing amounts of skill.

Literally all talent means is that you did it or something similar to it a lot when you were young

>>377473603
>genetics
Sure.
So in that case, call off the Olympics, cancel EVO, and just give trophies to the guy with the better results on 23andMe.
>>377474407
You must be very talented to come up with such a clever response, anon.

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>>377473439
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>>377474560
I am not sure about talent but being part of the 1% when it comes to idiocy sure is impressive anon. Keep working hard at it :^)

>>377474502
if that's your argument for talent not mattering than you're a fucking idiot lmfao
yeah no shit talent isn't the only defining factor but someone who's talented will be able to achieve greater success with less of an investment than someone who has no talent

Talent is just a word created by people who need excuses to make themselves feel better because someone worked harder than them.

It's funny how artists are always the ones that hate on talent the most when the Dutch Renaissance coined the idea that "talent is potential realized" meaning you have to work to hone your skill.

>>377474530
>You're comparing amounts of skill.
Yes, the skills of ARTIST.
Are you really this stupid and dense that you can't grasp this simple concept? I really can't dumb down my points to you any lower at this point.
You're an shit artist if you have to compare your work with non-artist work to feel superior.

>>377472734
Fuck off commie
Some people are destined to be great and looks like you get left out of the cool kids club

Could you outrun Usain Bolt if you work hard enough?

>>377474793
Define "being great," comrade.

If talent doesnt exists explain mozart, who is also still alive

Checkmate muslims

>>377474829
Yes talent doesn't exist
t. american

>>377474782
Okay, dude. Sorry for making you upset.

>>377474829
I'm fuckin' handicap of fucking course i couldn't

>>377474829
Are you implying that usain bolt didn't train at all to be as fast as he is?

>>377472734
Oh look, another retard who uses nihilism as an excuse for his laziness.

>>377474935
>upset
?
Sorry you're so stupid and insecure that you result to "you mad" statements instead of defending your opinions with proper arguments.

>>377474829
No, because Usain Bolt works just as hard if not harder. I would have to exceed his work by an incredible magnitude to overcome the amount of time, effort, and training he's put in.

Or just wait for him to get old enough for me to beat him.

>>377474991
Are you implying that if you had trained as hard as he did you could be beat him?

>>377474991
Where did he imply that at all? His question could not be any more clear: could you outrun Usain Bolt if you worked hard enough?

>>377475086
My bad.

>>377472170
I don't know. Maybe? I don't play multiplayer games so it's a meaningless question, I just play games because I want to experience something, whether it be difficult/easy gameplay, atmosphere, music etc.

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>>377472170
Talent is just what lazy people call dedicated people's hard work.

>>377473381
Opposite, I want to trade my talent for FPS for 2d fighting games

>>377472170
I can pick up and do well quickly with any game. Differing skill ceilings though typically depending on genres and how much time I want to put into actually improving. If the average is a score of 50 my default would be an 80 typically capping around a 95. Unless the game is Killzone 3 in which case its a straight 100

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>mfw getting my ass carried literally by sheer luck alone

>>377475121
All the people he beat just didn't try hard enough I guess

>>377474396
Technically we can't prove a damn thing, even skill.
But I've destroyed all my friends in their favorite genre, I've seen them dissect the way the games work, learn from their defeats and everythign. Then I beat them my first week into the game, and continue this even though I don't practice at all. And trust me, I don't put much thought into this shit.
>>377474502
You just proved my point. Talent allows you both to get a head start and go further and beyond what the non talented can with practice.

>>377474909
Dude, Mozart can't still be alive. He'd be several hundred years old, and even if I did live that long he had a lot of hard work in addition to his raw talent and animal magnetism.

>>377475141
I spent most of my life sat playing videogames
Bolt spent most of his life running. I couldn't catch up with all the work he did, let alone surpass it.

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Not in anything that can is used as a popular metric. I've beaten Darkest Dungeon on that New Game + difficulty and I feel like that should count for something, but most of my other vidya accomplishments are in other RPG games where the only metric is how many hours you spent hunting cryptic bullshit for 100%, which is never fun for me.

ive played video games all my life but never took being good at them seriously until maybe the last few years, after trying a bit harder id saying im good at them

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>>377473439
I really don't like how Amadeus dragged Salieri's name through the dirt, making it seemed like he was a bitter loser who was forever in Mozart's shadow. Sure Salieri isn't a household name like Mozart is today, but back in the day you were basically comparing Paul McCartney and John Lennon in terms of success and recognition. Salieri taught fucking Beethoven, ffs.

>>377472170
I tend to be better than most when I try, but I never try hard enough to get to the top tier.

>>377473804
Subtle.

>>377475416
Video game are more fun and less pointless than running, so it sounds like you won, anon.

could A LITERAL MIDGET beat ussain bolt if he "trained hard enough"?

Its strange in light of the obvious crippling disables people are born with that some people just cannot accept the notion that others might be born with superior bodies and brains that will be inherently more capable at certain tasks even given the exact same amount of practice.

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Fixed.

>>377475382
Fuck off Antonio.

>>377472170
it always annoyed me when my normie friends who played CoD once a week could go 20-2 in a match, meanwhile I played every day and struggled to stay at 1:1 ratio, but then I got bored of PVP FPS games. I haven't really played one since MW2 and any PVP I do is in rpgs or turn-based games where success is based on thinking things through and experience rather than dexterity.

I'd say I'm better at video games than most people because I genuinely enjoy learning the mechanics. Of course, the autismos who go even further to learn the frame data and shit will always have me beat, but as long as I win a majority of the time, I'm satisfied

>>377473439
yeah because mozart wasnt forced to play when he was like 5years old and wasnt playing his whole life hurdur no just talent

>>377472170
This kind of mentality is so stupid. While genetics and such obviously have an effect on what you're capable of doing as a physical entity in this world, the level of skill people have tends to matter far more on how much time and effort they've put towards it. It just so happens that people who are naturally interested in a subject tend to also build up a lot of skill because that's what they spend their time on, the natural interest covered up the hard part of "hard work" because it was fun for them. If you don't have that deep drive to learn guitar, for example, then the work to get good at playing guitar is going to be fucking torture. But the people already good at it weren't just good out of nowhere, they played the shit out of it and earned their "talent".

What this picture represents is some 18-25 year old male who hasn't really done much in life but feels like they're owed more and are jealous of those who actually earned more. Instead of recognizing their lack of success and thinking on what got them there, they place the blame on some ethereal force of the universe that unfairly raises other people above themselves. This is a manchild.

>>377475306
He just tried harder than them. There's a reason why better teams can lose to worse teams in sports. Never underestimate the person that's hungrier for it.

>>377475631
You don't even have to strawman that hard
Bolt absolutely dominates even the people he runs against in competitions and these people work pretty fucking hard, at the very least as much as him

>>377475693
L O D S O F E M O N E

>>377475693
>being a butthurt poorfag
stay mad penny collector

>>377475631
Physical abilities are obviously more constrained by genetics than what this picture is implying and genetics isn't fair. You know that, you abrasive piece of shit.

>>377475520
Shaffer's play and Milos Forman's adaptation pretty much overshadowed anything Salieri ever produced, his legacy has been wiped away and replaced by that of a fictional (albeit fantastic) character.

It's truly tragic.

>>377472545

Lack of talent can limit you. Lack of training can limit you. Even lack of opportunity can prevent you from evdn finding where your best skills are.

In the real world, reality has a conservative bias. It is always easier to be crippled, than to excel.

>>377472773
thats wrong though

When people talk about talent they bring up people like Einstein or Usain Bolt or whatever, and yeah those people are like the 0.01% of humanity that are actual born prodigies in a field, but that's not what people mean they talk about talent, they talk about how little Timmy's mom forces him to practice the violin half an hour every day and Johnny's mom never makes him practice and skips violin class every other week because she's a fucking moron. That's what people almost always mean when they talk about talent.

>>377475693
Now this, this is right.

>>377476005

Why wouldn't mental abilities be constrained by genetics as well?

>>377472170
im pretty below average at most games but i'm ok with it so long as im not so outclassed that it's not fun anymore

>>377475631
People with dwarfism tend to excell in smithing/enchanting, not agility

>>377476091
Yep, unless you are Lu Meng.

>>377475631
A dwarf can't beat the fastest man on earth in running, so obviously that means you're just born with it and work means nothing.

>>377472421
While this guy is a tool certain things like physical ability like talents and genetics play a huge role in sports. Hard work is obviously important too.

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>>377472170
Only fairly. I can grasp basic concepts easily enough, and if I like the game I'll try to get better at it.

>>377476091
Because mental capacity/potential is orders of magnitude more complex and covers a much, much wider range of skills. Physical differences are much harder to compensate for, and when you push it to the extreme of the example in the quoted post then it's obvious that the midget wouldn't have a chance. That's not the kind of unfairness this image is talking about.

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>>377472170
why does this guy like graphs so much?

>>377472170
Anyone who seriously believes raw talent can match results of hard work hasn't done a single day of hard work in their entire lives.

>>377473603
>Tokido
The only thing he ever worked on was his murderface

>>377472170
this happens alot with fighting games.

some people have to work really hard to get gud, while others have a talent for it.

that said, people who work hard, can get better than people with talent, since people with talent tend to rest on the job often, while people who work hard, continue doing so and reach new heights, only time this doesn't matter is when the person HAS talent and also works hard.

>>377474997
its a bad excuse?

>>377476536
does it matter?

>>377476605
Nothing matters.

I suppose you can be talented or naturally gifted at playing videogames
But that's like being the most naturally talented retard in the playground when it comes to life

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>Hard work
>Makes the exact same comic non stop

Even fuckley is leagues above owlturd.

>>377472421
He's actually stated that most of those comics are bullshit he just knows the winning formula right now when it comes to getting your webcomic popular and is pandering hard.

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>>377476349

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>>377476505
>Really good
>smack any scrub that comes to fight me
>never practice
>main is removed in next game
>suddenly the worst
The absolute worst feeling.

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>>377476694
I almost want to kms cause I know it's true, anon.

>>377476790
Thats even worse

>>377476850
DUDE IRONIC PESSIMISM LMAO

>>377472943
>Must be because of his natural talent, right? Yeah.

Or it's because you were content with being in the same position for nine years while someone way younger than you had the gusto to work his way to the top.

>>377476850
ITS JUST LIKE US

>>377476850
>Ripped
>cool scars
>an eyepatch and weapons
>A FUCKING CAPE
The future is indeed bright.

>>377476814
thanks

Ok, so there's
>genetics- unfair, out of your control
>opportunity- same
>hard work- in your control, but only as valuable as the end result
But if you factor out the first two, then the test/competition has no value anymore. Who cares who worked the hardest if the point was just to pass the "I worked the hardest" test?
>>377474997
I'm no nihilist.
I think people who worry about talent are playing a rigged game and need to put all that hard work toward something more productive.

>>377476850
>THE LIFE OF AN ARTIST SURE IS HARD AMRITE?

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>>377475693
>WAAAAAAAAH THIS GUY HAS MONEY AND I DON'T IT'S NOT FAIR TAKE IT FROM HIM AND GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD

>>377476086
>>377475693
Berniefags go away

>>377472703
I refuse to believe a 5 year old had the thought capacity or patience to make their way through Wizardy 4's immense amount of bullshit.

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pic related

the rain man was real
that literally proves talent exists; it's biology you mongrels

>>377476850
my favorite version of these is the one where *current year* is putting *past year* under some bdsm for being a shit year.

>>377476086
end your life

>>377477075
>money doesn't make life automatically easier
This is what rich people actually believe.

>>377472421
there was also this comic about lifting a framed work to see how much effort an artist spent on that work so the first pic is someone's room being a mess and then lifts the second which was owlturd's and sees him sleeping in his bed everything around him nice and organized

which is it owlturd? you think you are talented or you worked your skills?

>>377475693
faggot

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>>377477075
>Friend since childhood
>now scraping together money to go to school
>can't afford a car
>I spend years and years as a NEET with no money problems
>spend my days playing vidya and working out
>grandfather is loaded and will pay for my schooling
>inherit a car
>have several fallback plans if I get fucked over
>never held a single job
Wew, luck sure is a myth.

>>377477173
>money makes life automatically easier
This is what poorfags actually believe.

>>377477173
If money is the cure-all to everything, why do some rich people commit suicide?

>>377477329
Their problems are not related to having money but rather choosing to surround themselves by shitty people

>>377477329
if their money doesn't matter to them they should give it away

>>377477303
>I'm a degenerate rich person, so all rich people live the same life as me
stop projecting

>>377475548
Pretty much this.

>>377477329
[citation needed]

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>>377477446
>Money does not make life easier

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I've played them for so long that Ive developed skills that are transferable between games and genres, giving the illusion of being innately good at games.

>>377477435
t. gommunist

>>377473095
>Talent is largely just a meme stupid people with no drive use to rationalize their lack of effort.

I've had to experience this first hand. One of my jobs required us to pass a bunch of tests to get certain qualifications during the first few months which we had plenty of time to study for and this one lady failed a few and I got stuck tutoring her. She kept going on about talented people getting it easy since we were able to learn the material quickly but in reality we all worked our asses off everyday to study it while she just sat around and ate her snacks doing jackshit. Fucking drove me nuts whenever she opened her mouth about that.

>>377476850
haha drumpf btfo!

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>>377472421
>he fell for the hard work meme

HAHAHAHAHAHA

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/07/08/practice-does-not-make-perfect-elite-sprinters-destroy-10-year-rule-myth-that-athletes-made-not-born/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2328337/Practice-NOT-make-perfect-Innate-talent-whats-required-greatness-areas-games-music.html

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>>377476850
Thank you Trump

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I know that I am horrible at everything in life

>>377477075
If they didn't work for it, by definition it's not fair.

Life is not naturally fair though, that's just the way it is. If people democratically choose to redistribute wealth though, then, through the social contract, you have to abide by it, even if you are rich.

>>377473493
good hustle boyo

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>>377477745
>>377477173
>>377477435
>WAAAAAAAAAH IT'S NOT FAIR THAT HIS GRANDFATHER OR FATHER WORKED SO HARD SO HIS KIDS AND SO ON COULD HAVE AN EASY LIFE, FUCKING TAKE IT FROM THEM AND GIVE IT TO ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377477538
>I rely on my grandparents money to survive, which makes my life easier, so all people born into rich families are the same
wow lad, not all of us are degenerate neets that need to rely on others to survive.

>>377472170
Depends on the genre, really.

I'm generally going to be pretty good at any of the genres I grew up playing for years on end (MMORPG and FPS), especially after a bit of practice. I'm also pretty okay at MOBAs but I don't really play them for too long. On the other hand, I'm terrible at RTS genre.

>>377475775
He was already good as a kid though. His dad saw his natural born talent and took him to perform for noblemen. So yes, he didn't really have to practice.

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>>377477745
>>377477173
>>377477435
>NO NO NO *sniff* SUCCESS should NOT BE REWARDED *sniff* ONLY MEDIOCRITY GIVE ME HIS MONEY NOW DAMMIT NOW

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>>377477942
>WAAAAAAAAA IT'S NOT FAIR THAT PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOSE TO REPARTITION WEALTH! WAAAAAAH! LET ME KEEP THIS MONEY I MADE OFF THE BACK OF MY COUNTRY! NATIONS DON'T MATTER! OPEN BORDERS FOR EVERYONE! DON'T FORGET TO VOTE HILARY

Talent is little more than natural inclination. It will get you nowhere if you don't follow though on it. It will also get you nowhere if your an autist that can't pick up on social cues .

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>been lazy my entire life
>breeze through high school like it was nothing
>classmates were jealous as fuck, and got mad when I told them I literally didn't study and got perfect grades, while they busted their ass studying
>got accepted into one of the most prestigious universities in my country, in my way to get one of the highest paid degrees
>put almost no effort, yet still perform way better than average, often among the very best in my class

>mfw brainlets tell themselves that innate talent doesn't exist, or that's less important than "hard work", so they can cope with their lives

>>377477942
Are you saying life is fair no matter where you are born and that money doesn't help?

>>377477720
It's not just hard work, is dedication and practice. You can try a thousand times to draw a circle and fail every single time if you don't apply yourself and try to improve with each consecutive practice.
I have a friend that always considered herself talented at drawing, and if you look at what she does and know that she never wnt to a school or took any kind of tutoring, you'd say it's pretty good, but all she ever did was symbol drawing and same posing, so I met a lot of people later in life that could sweep the floor with her because they were dedicated to their craft.

Took long enough for the thread to go full /pol/

>>377477987
I'm still getting a job and going to school so I can live on my own. But it's way cushier than anything my father or friend had to put up with. Money makes life way easier, less urgency, more comfort, less dead ends.

>>377478186
t. lazy Minnelli that never worked a day in his life and expects hand outs
you give us all a bad name, kindly end your life.

>>377477173
In order to be rich you have to actually work your way up to there and keep working to maintain it. Being born into a rich family isn't the easy life like most people think.

>>377478213
life is not fair
and no matter how much you scream, and no matter how much you bitch about it. There is nothing you or anyone can do to make life fair

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>>377478207
>Talent denielfags still wont accept it
I don't see why, it's an argument in their favor. Talent and in turn money makes life easier, way easier.

>>377478335
>Being born into a rich family isn't the easy life like most people think.
it definitely is
t. born into a pretty wealthy family
i don't know what fucking hardships you think i'm going to face compared to some bum living on the streets

>>377478234
Sure sucks to see your control over culture slip from your hands, huh?

>>377478453
I agree

t. well-off parents, don't have a worry in life

>>377478335

>Being born into a rich family isn't the easy life like most people think.

It literally is. Your parents' wealth is most important than literally everything else put together in predicting your future wealth in most of the world

>>377478453
I guarantee it's not easy to suddenly have to run a massive million dollar corporation and make sure it stays afloat.

>>377478215
Well, yeah. His point was against the people saying talent doesn't exist.

You even said yourself talent exists but, yes if you don't also continue trying to improve or work at whatever it is and you will become stagnant and not improve.

Talent alone can't help you but, when you see someone that has it and they work hard the difference is astounding.

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>>377478186
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IM A MARXIST THAT MEANS I'M SMARTER THEN YOU, GIVE ME YOUR MONEY I DESERVE IT MORE THEN YOU.
>I DON'T CARE IF YOUR FAMILY EARNED IT AND THEY GAVE IT TO YOU IT RIGHTFULLY MINE SINCE I LIVE HERE AND MONEY IS A HUMAN RIGHT

>>377478398
I never said it was. That was the point.

The post before was some strawman garbage with no point and I was trying to see if he had anything beyond fallacies for an argument.

>>377478297
>my rich parents and grandparents gave me opportunists and never forced me to struggle with anything so everyone else is that same
I come from an rich family too anon and I don't have all the opportunities in the world. My parents told me to work and earn my own way. The only thing I got for free was my tuition, but even then I still got an sponsorship. Sorry your family doesn't love you enough to do the same.

>>377478504
No idea what you are talking about.

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>>377476850

>>377478558
it's also not easy having to constantly stress over whether or not you're gonna make it through the month

>>377478398
You cannot make it completely fair, but you can make it fairer through proper fiscal policy

>>377478207
sounds like you haven't been tested by the real world yet, if you don't experience failure you won't know how to handle it when it comes, good luck

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>>377478335
>Being born into a rich family isn't the easy life like most people think.
I wonder who's behind this post

>>377478759
on point

>>377478691
Then you are artificially poor.

>>377478741
You will eventually.

>>377478783
I'm not saying being poor is easier than being rich however saying rich people have an easy life is fucking retarded because they have way more responsibilities than most people could imagine. Literally entire corporations with hundreds of people depend on them not to fuck up so they can keep their income.

>>377472703
>a 5 year old with the mental capacity to complete fucking Wizardry of all games

The last Wizardry I played was one where I kept getting slammed by random enemies that level drained me and I just gave up because I was too weak to escape or fight back. I named my characters after myself and my friends and got scared when they died

good times.

>>377478558
>suddenly

Is not a thing that often happens. That's what boards are for.
Only pure trust fund babies would call inheriting a family company they've known about all their life, sudden.

>>377478879
I wish I were a jew.

>>377478207
What you're describing is intelligence. Intelligence lets you learn and develop skills at lot faster and easier than others. An intelligent person can instantly understand something that might take an ordinary person hours of studying or practice to grasp.

Talent is implied to be a natural level of skill that you have without any sort of prior effort or knowledge, which is stupid because you can't know how to do something you've never even heard of before. What people call talent is really more just like passion + intelligence.

>>377478798
so let me get this straight, you want to make it so parents can't give the money THEY made to the people they want to when they die?
and that is some how fair how?

>>377478207
None of what you have described here is a talent though but rather a decent memory and hard work would often yield a stronger understanding for practical use as the methods are being used in multiple manners.

>Inb4 brainlet

>>377472170
>Crying about literally 0.1% of the human population
What a bitch.

Talent does not exist, fuck off.

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>>377477329
>why do some rich people commit suicide
The same reason poor people commit suicide. Their money can't buy them the love of that girl you liked when you were younger, and you were so happy with her when you were together,
but you were young and awkward so you ruined it, and not all the money in the world can buy back your youth or turn back time for you to relive those precious years and instead you got old and wasted your life chasing some kind of feeling that you had lost forever, but that you desperately needed to make you whole again .

>>377474829
Could Usain Bolt beat me in an arena shooter if he worked hard enough?

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>>377477720
>geneticliteracyproject
>dailymail
And here we just thought r9k was this dumb.

>>377478916
what happens when I inherit money after my grandparents eventually pass on? am I still artificially poor? what about my trust fund that I only got access to recently, because I proved that I could be responsible with money by earning my own way?

>>377479091
They cite actual studies you dumb cuckold

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>>377478504
>Sure sucks to see your control over culture
>your control over culture
/v/, as seen by /pol/.

>>377479113
Now you are rich again silly.

I'm a good tad above average, but things like bullet hell games and the hardcore fighting game community are always there to keep a guy humble.

I've noticed that some people have a way easier time learning fighting games than I do, but that's mostly because I try to improve on my own without watching any videos and shit.

>>377479020
I never proposed outlawing inheritance. Try again

I've been playing games all my life and I still suck.

>>377479113
Not the same anon but all depends on how much you are making rather than spending, if you're still spending more than your make then yes you would be artificially poor

>>377479253
that is what you are defending right now, this whole thread is now about how Rich people are fucking evil because they have money and how it's not fair that they have it.

>>377479225
well now I feel silly

>>377478234
Think of 4chan like your wife. And /pol/ as a big black man. No matter how much love and care you put into 4chan the BBC, or ad revenue in this case, that /pol/ brings is far to appealing to pass up. /pol/ owns this site now.

>>377472170
>>377472170
talent is bologna.
people only appear to be talented because they practiced for fun as a child

>>377479028
Learn what general intelligence is

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>>377472773

>>377479007
Let's say you give a controller to 2 people who have never held a controller in their lives and have never had to do anything that required hard and precise control of their fingers, they have to do this precise combo of B A B A B A X Y Y Y A X A B Y A X A X B B in 3 seconds after hearing a distinct sound cue, person 1 gets it in 5 attempts, person 2 gets it in 10. How do you explain that? It's not intelligence. That's what people mean when they say skill, they mean being good at a certain thing just because that's how it is. It won't make you the best if you never hone that skill, but it will give you an advantage over others.

>>377479320
Nice strawman. It seems you think only in extremes

i've gotten worse in the only game I care about, Quake. I'm just a half step behind the teenagers chugging coke by the bottle. I feel so fucking old

Yes, I'm naturally good at video games.
>College friend challenges me to a match of GoW
>Never played GoW
>Win the next match
>Have you played this game before, anon?

>>377479295
>if you're still spending more than your make then yes you would be artificially poor
I don't. Only things I pay for are my essentials every month, sometimes I treat myself with something nice like a new graphics card or something. Even then I still like waiting for sales and deals, I still feel bad wasting money even if I have a surplus. I know I sound like a jew, but I'm not.

>>377479467
how many hours a day do you play (practice)?

>>377472720
Seconding this. No one would've simply "started" at the same level as the other guy who put the hard work in.

Talent is about how fast the guy can learn and how high he can climb towards the skill ceiling. And even then, it's such a vague word that there's bound to be countless different ways to explain why a person seems to have an easier time than another with something.

Everyone has a different ceiling they can achieve, and that's the "unfair" part, but the comic oversimplifies it.

>>377478398
>There is nothing you or anyone can do to make life fair
You can make it a little fairer bit by bit. You can pay workers and not have them be serfs or slaves, give everybody equal rights and health care and a chance for education and work that allows them to live with dignity. You don't have to systematically murder and gut the upper class to not have half the country wallowing in squalor.

>>377479007
An ordinary person will never understand General relativity or Quantum field theory, no matter how hard they try

>>377479475
i'd wager its two of the following three:
you've played a lot of third person controller games
you're moderately intelligent
your friend isn't very good at games

>>377479320
>this whole thread is now about how Rich people are fucking evil
People were talking about how rich people have a huge head start in life and thus have it easier you dumb faggot.

>>377479513
I gave up playing, it turned from being one of the true joys of my life to nothing but frustration. During my peak I could log 10+ hrs a day for weeks on end.

>>377479595
His friend is just untalented.

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>>377478207
>been lazy my entire life
>drop out of high school
>got a GF that was a hardcore worker
>she landed a job as Central Control Room Operator of a power plant making a starting 70k a year
>married me two years after that
>last decade has been me being a NEET living off her wealth and being her sex toy

>mfw retards of all degrees tell themselves that there is any system to success and it isn't just RNG till you die.

No, but that doesn't stop people from being worse somehow.

>>377479539
>Half the country living in squalor
This doesn't happen in America.

>>377479660
more likely, he's nor very smart and/or he doesn't play games as much as he thinks he does

>>377479730
Neither does murdering and gutting the upper class.

>>377473765
you can be a genius at something but if you are bad with social shit you'll never be the employer

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What if you're really good at something but society doesn't usually push people towards those areas?
Like, what if you're a super fucking good Bounty Hunter or Man Hunter but because it's one of those fringe TV reality show professions you'll never know?

>>377479392
>How do you explain that? It's not intelligence.
Yes it is. Memorizing the sequence of inputs is intelligence, inputting them after a tone is reaction time, inputting them within 3 seconds is dexterity, all of which are skills that can be trained, and which will be improved faster in an intelligent person

If someone naturally has amazing natural physical attributes which makes them suited to a particular sport (like being super tall gives you an advantage in basketball), that doesn't make them talented, it makes them gifted. They still have to actually learn how to play basketball.

>>377479669
Honestly you may be happy but that's not something that most guys would envy you for, most men would find your lifestyle extremely emasculating. I know I wouldn't want to live like that.

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>>377479730
Here's a suggestion, go stick your head in a blender and turn it onto puree, because clearly you're not doing anything with it, might as well lose some of that dead weight.

>>377479364
I feel like you're trying to make a point, but unless "talent" suddenly became a synonym for "general intelligence" I am missing it

>>377479853
>6 years to play that baby shit
Is he fucking retarded?

>>377479858
I think you responded to the wrong person?

>>377479803
Sure, the memorizing the sequence of inputs is intelligence, but no hand dexterity isn't intelligence, is physical strength intelligence?

>>377479568
Because trying only bears fruit when you have the will to succeed.

>>377473778
damn, anon. that's pretty meta.

>>377479921
If you don't start piano as soon as you're 8, it gets harder to learn since all the brain synapses become rigid.

>>377480059
That's the same for anything really. People should just give up attempting to learn anything after they turn 13 honestly. If you aren't good at something by then you're worthless.

>>377479843
In context I could work too, but why would I? Also emasculating? Who gives a fuck. You'll be dead. seven decades give or take you'll be a corpse and maybe a generation or two of your direct family will remember you. After that it's gone.All your standards, morals, beliefs are just gone and any lifestyle you suffered for in the name of pride will be a waste. Even those in the history books get rewritten over and over again to where what few common people know them only know what media reports tell them.
I get it isn't everybody's lifestyle but I rather just enjoy the best life has than worry what others think of me directly. Because you'll be dead to so why care?

>>377479843
this

>>377479865
Attributing academic performance to "decent memory" is extreme reductionism that ignores how highly correlated intelligence is with a broad set of skills, and how it strongly predicts outcomes in life.

Given how highly heritable intelligence, it's easy to see how successful one is in various skills and aspects of life depends largely in genetics i.e. innate traits i.e. "talent"

>>377480167
That's the spirit, faggot.

I'm not good at anything let alone video games.

>>377480205
I see I struck a nerve. I apologize, I wasn't trying to be rude.

>>377472170
Achievements through Hard Work net you experience. Experience will always overtake talent.

>>377479985
Nice feel good bullshit you have there. In the real world biological realities largely determine what an organism can and cannot do.

Nope. I've never been good at any fighting game I wanted to try my hands at, in competitive games I always end up trailing last, and I've never beaten a game on Hard. I wana get good right now, but I feel I am way too old. Video games don't give me the joy they once did.

>>377472170
A majority of the time someone seems "talented", it's far more likely they are just more adaptable. The ability to take what you have experience in and apply it elsewhere has always been immensely valuable to human survival, I would say anyone with an intelligence average or above has done something in their life in which they think they wouldn't do well in, but did due to a seemingly unrelated past experience. An actual talented or gifted individual is rare, it's why they are supposed to be considered unique, but the word has been watered down immensely over time by those who don't critically think. A skill ceiling, if not blocked by some serious physical Issue, can more than likely be overcome by finding other unrelated events to push the challenge forward, or adapting to the challenge and finding a new way that fits your style. Seeing someone figure out the way you function shouldn't upset you, it should excite you to try harder

>>377480309
>Play game people find too easy
>The difficulty is perfect for me

>>377479853
Just wait till some 6 year old comes and plays something even more complex, he'll hate talent even more.

>>377480059
PLASTICITY

>>377479803
Gifted is literally a synonym with talent. You're grasping at straws there.

>>377480205
>mfw retards of all degrees tell themselves that there is any system to success and it isn't just RNG till you die.
Mostly replying to this, really. I don't think most men would describe your life as success. You might think it is, but I could also think success is being a drug addict, so who's right? What I'm saying is I don't think you're as lucky as you think. Also
>edgy nihilism as an excuse to why you don't do anything
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>>377480313
You didn't. I just see people all the time making their life hell worrying about shit like that. It's sad, pointless really. Most people just get caught up in normalization and memes to where they chain themselves to mealiness goals that don't make them happy, they just make them miserable. To make it all worse when you die it just because that much more worthless.

>>377480205
>I'll be dead so why does it matter? lol
You're clearly already dead inside if you think this way

>>377472943

Having been a manager before (I'm also 29), I can't stand people with your attitude. Working somewhere for a long period of time has NOTHING to do with your leadership qualities. Being in the same position for 9 years simply means you are average and don't have the motivation to stand out from the crowd.

Protip - Even if you are great at your job, it STILL doesn't mean you would automatically be a good team leader or a manager.

>>377479976
No, but an intelligent person can understand and improve their physical attributes better than an unintelligent person. Maybe the intelligent person works out they can hit the buttons faster if they use one finger on each button instead of using one finger that moves between them.

A person with natural physical gifts might make them better at certain tasks, but like I said, this makes them gifted, not talented. Anyone with functional motor skills theoretically has the capacity to paint like Da Vinci, but only someone with Da Vinci's intelligence and passion for art would ever be able to actually achieve the same level.

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Just compensate the lack of talent or whatever by getting so pissed you can't help but grind till you're as good as you want. Even if to feel just a glimmer of that "HA! take it" feeling, just because you couldn't admit to stay frustrated.

What's the difference, anyway? You're gonna have to bother suffering for skill one way or another, talent involved or not, even if god himself came out of heaven and confirming or denying your talent. If you don't have to make an effort at all for something, you won't care about it, thus it's a non-issue. You're gonna suffer for something else in life anyway, because life is how it is and humans gonna hum, so suck it up.

If a person takes 5000 hours to get to the level of competency it took you 10000 hours to reach, do another 10000 hours.

>>377480614
Ok but some people just have better reflex time than others, better hand to eye coordination, better hand dexterity, the list goes on and on. It's not intelligence so what is it? Gifted? Talent? Words for the same thing. Not everything is intelligence.

>>377480167
I know you're trolling, but, when it comes to musical skills, you're not far off. If you're not good ar your teenage years you may as well give up

faggots. I've been a console gamer all my life and just bought a laptop 2 months ago. first time playing with a mouse and I got masters in overwatch straight away

>>377480554
I do plenty I just don't have myself chained working a job for anything. I didn't want that life style and dodge it easily.
>>377480596
I say a person that gets trap working long shifts and stressful work because he thinks he has too is dead inside. You have to drown out a lot of yourself worth to grind away for larger monetary means that you don't even need.

>>377472170
Hol up. That's not how talent works.

Talent makes your pillar rise faster (or rise at the same rate, for less effort). Still need to put some effort in, of course.

>>377480614
There is always a way around intelligence, you just have to confuse them.

>>377480728
Except that innate traits not only determine your skill floor and how fast you improve your skills, but also your skill ceiling. No matter how much you train you will never be faster than Usain Bolt

>>377480448
Will itself is nothing but natural inclination. That is what is meant by passion. An ordinary person can come to understand difficult things or develop certain skills with enough work, but only if they truly want to do it for themselves, for their own pleasure and happiness, and not just to pass a test or whatever. And even then, they may never reach the same level as an intelligent person with the same will, just because the intelligent person can learn and improve so much faster.

>>377472703
Well done.

>tfw abandoned the one thing i was good at (illustration) when i left school and didnt need something to amuse myself with during class
>also abandoned music which i could have been fairly good at by now (26 now, started playing at 15 or so) if i stuck with it
>am now a wageslave adult with discernable talents or hobbies, scared to death of people asking me what i 'like to do'

>>377480958
More empirically groundless feel good bullshit

>>377480485
>A majority of the time someone seems "talented", it's far more likely they are just more adaptable

This. Its something you see in tons of upper division/graduate level biology classes. Previously there's ton of information that the students are expected to learn, but its just the volume of information that's difficult. But once they hit upper level material, its expected that the student already knows the background information. So they need to start being able to adapt the information into systems that they never learned. The difference between succeeding in the class and failing it, is literally the ability to adapt and apply.

>>377472170
>le talent
No that guy practiced real art not cal arts numale webcomics for a decade fuck off.

>>377475246
I wouldn't trade though

Guy with talent here, the comic isn't really wrong. Shit just clicks differently in our brains.

>>377472170
Slightly above average at everything other than shooters. I'm complete dogshit at shooters.

>>377480908
And that is something that can't be changed, so there's no use in bitching over it. If you love doing something, you'll continue on despite your limitations and not lament that you aren't the absolute pinnacle.

>>377480812
I'm just telling you, no matter how much you do, most men would find themselves extremely emasculated by leeching off their wives like you do. Man is and has always been the provider so most men will instinctively feel shamed to be provided for by their wives. Obviously you don't care about any of that based what you've said, but what I'm saying is you're not as lucky as you think you are, I could content myself with shit and call it success too. Doesn't mean I'm wrong because everyone defines success differently, but your life is not what success looks like to most, it's what parasitism looks like.

The one area where I feel like that is fitness. I grew up as a fat motherfucker and I have this nasty motherfucking belly.

I worked my ass off at the gym and running 5 miles every single day for a year, got thin as a plank, but the darned gut kept being nasty as fuck. Some people got to have the normalfag physical shape I desired just by existing.

The worst part is that doing all that running was not fun in the slightest. Having to go through unbearably unpleasant times just to achieve what others got for free? Hella annoying.

It's a first world problem in the realm of human suffering, though. I'm cool with it nowadays.

>>377481242
I'm not bitching about anything, I'm just giving a dose of reality to brainlets

>>377480812
don't listen to them lad pls let me mooch off your gf

>>377481326
And if he feels different, why should he care what others think? Would you avoid dating a girl that you thought was 10/10 just because everyone else says she's dogshit ugly?