Zero Escape

Just finished ZTD what's the deal with that fucking ending

>>377468108
rushed
forced
underwritten
overwritten

take your pick

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>>377468170
I pick disappointing

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>>377468108
It's... difficult to boil down to... ONE word.
No really, it was just a non-ending,
sorry.
Also, grats on finishing, now you're free to enjoy the memes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU

>>377468108
Its legit the best B-movie game ever made.

It honestly astounds me that after the over the top twists VLR pulled that they wouldn't expect ZTD to go even higher and just become utter bullshit.
I mean come on, the entire game being in the future and on the FUCKING MOON wasn't complete bullshit?

>>377468170
>rushed
Hell no. Uchikoshi had years to sit on this. The second he put aliens into the story it was done for. Worst thing is that he knew this shit would tank and STILL wrote a cliff hanger ending.

If they do ever make a sequel, and they probably won't, I am going to pirate. You reading this Uchi? I'm gonna pirate your games from now on. All of them.

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>>377468387
>he thinks the 3D style didn't crimp budgets, time constraints, editing, structure, every fucking thing in the game
>he thinks pirating games hurts a dev
unsubscribed

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>>377467442
Would she survive a Nonary game?

>>377468350
>the entire game being in the future and on the FUCKING MOON wasn't complete bullshit?

The series starts slightly off in the future anyways, so it's not like cryogenics and space travel was completely out of the question.
Those are logical scientific advancements.

Ayy lmao technology is just a complete asspull.

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Which one of the 3 games did you like more my dudes

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>>377468989
999 = VLR >>> ZTD
but I arguably had more fun with ZTD because of the memes.

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>>377468816
Nigga lets be fair here.

999 was clearly meant to be modern day. It being put to 2038(?) was only revealed in VLR and even that raised questions since a major plot point regarding the fucking Titanic's age was shot to shit.
But then we get Radical fucking 6 which as cool and as clever as it is somehow slows the perception of time to the exact point that being ON THE FUCKING MOON is not noticeable but also somehow also allows the infected to blow up 18 reactors and cause worldwide riots simultaneously

VLR was great, but it was just as bullshit as ZTD, its just you had recognised the tells and didn't want him to pull the exact same shit he already had.

There was no chance ZTD was ever gonna give the FINAL ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS no matter what the writer said, that would go against everything the series fucking was! I mean look at 999's ending when it was supposed to be a 1-off.


Honestly go back and look at ZTD,
it's dumb but holy shit is it fun to just go along with the ride it pulls you through.

Nuclear reactors would all just meltdown in an apocalypse scenario. If people aren't around to maintain them it's an inevitability.

>>377469569
Technically they didn't hit apocalypse scenario until all 18 reactors went off at once.
They weren't Nuclear either they were Annihilation Reactors

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>>377469336
>but also somehow allows the infected to blow up 18 reactors and cause worldwide riots simultaneously
That's not what happened, though. The riots occurred because of Rad-6 because that's what Rad-6 entailed, but Free the Soul were the ones who set off the nuclear reactors as part of cleansing the world of Rad-6.

>There was no chance ZTD was ever gonna give the FINAL ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS
I'm still gonna call bullshit on that one unless we can actually get the original script. I get that 999 was supposed to be a one-off but VLR's ending was explicitly written for the sake of a sequel.

If taken as a B-movie, yeah, ZTD's going to be fun as fuck- I've said before in these threads it might as well be The Room of vidya.
Myself and a lot of other people included though, we wanted ZE3. ZTD didn't deliver on that.

>>377468989
I like them all for slightly different reasons
>999
Best atmosphere and stand-alone story
>VLR
Best puzzles and plot twist
>ZTD
Best voice acting and wild ride

If you pretend that VLR and ZTD never existed, you will be fine with a one title game series.

999 is the best one, the others 2 are one of the worst VN ever in the history of this genre.

>>377469942
>That's not what happened, though.
Shit yeah, mis-remembered, still though that requires believing a tech would be called Annihilation. Like one look at that tells you how fucked it is!
>VLR's ending was explicitly written for the sake of a sequel.
Well I'll give you that, a lot of people wanted a conclusion but VLR was supposed to be a 2 part game that was to be played back to back, ZTD came from the scrapped remnant of that second game that was never made so it never was designed to answer all questions.
I completely understand the salt but it was kinda obvious this series would never have a definitive answer

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>>377470323
>one title game series

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I can't believe i was hyped for this shit and pic related a year ago

Japan are only good for action games

>>377470643
>Japan are only good for action games
Quick question, is the reason those game are great connected to the crazy plots?

>>377470487
I would trust this man

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>>377468989
OBJECTIVE TIER LIST COMING THROUGH!

Puzzles
VLR > 999 >>> ZTD

Story
999 >>>>> VLR = ZTD

Characters
ZTD >> 999 >>>>>>>> VLR

Gameplay and QoL Features
ZTD > VLR >> 999

Death Scenes
ZTD > VLR = 999

Villain
VLR > 999 >>> ZTD

Overall
ZTD > VLR > 999

What changes to ZTD would you guys make?

I mainly want some expanded exposition on Free the Soul, Left, and Lord Gordain. Maybe have Eric actually learn Mira was his mother's killer so that the point of him being there would be to have a chance at getting revenge against Mira for being responsible for his shit life. And maybe some closure for Santa, Snake, and Clover and Alice, but I'd be fine with that stuff just being in a q&a.

also a q&a would make me happy

>>377470890
>ZTD at the top of anything but memes
Objective shit tier list desu

>>377470890
Nani the fuck

>>377470798
Honestly Dio is one of the most trustworthy characters in the game. Clover, K, Tenmyouji, Alice and Phi all dick you around with mindgames but you can always count on Dio to be blatantly evil..

>>377470890
I like you

>>377471108
Quark was a bad influence on him, don't blame Dio.

>>377471154
That fucking brat trying to make my man look bad

>>377470643
I can't believe you were hyped for Danganronpa in general. That series is really bad. Not shit, just really bad. Like, a D-. It's really clear that the author isn't as smart as the characters he's trying to portray and has a lot of traps common of those authors.

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>>377470987
Remove Junpei and Akane from C Team. Put them in the background of the game if you must, but there's no reason for them to participate in YET ANOTHER GAME granted it's a Decision game this time and not a Nonary Game but they really shouldn't have been there.

More cross-team interaction as well. Character interaction was such a strong point of 999/VLR but ZTD just felt like three contained stories that would occasionally bump elbows.

>>377468712
considering that the point of the Nonary games is to cause a split in timelines that guarantees survival and success down one of them...maybe

>>377471108
>Dio is quite clearly the villain
>Think this is a trap somehow, as Japan loves the TWEEEEEST
>The tweeeest is he's actually as evil as he looks and everyone just over thinks it.

I had a lot of fun with Dio.

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>>377471389
>Remove Junpei and Akane from C Team.
But that would ruin the best moment of the game with true bro Carlos

>>377467442
The anagrams were forced and useless weren't they?

>>377471517

> tfw legitimately believed him when he sais Quark was evil, especially since Quark spends most of the game off-screen

>>377471389
Yeah the cross team interaction was good and in ZTD when it's just 3 people having the same conversation over and over instead of a single protag getting unique dialogues with each other member it feels repetitive.

Imagine ZTD with Carlos being Carlos with everyone throughout the whole game. Guaranteed gold.

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>>377471562
If there was a way to both improve the game and preserve the memes, I'd go with that.
I've had plenty of fun with the memes though; I'd like to see what the game would've been like if it had actually gotten the proper budget.

>>377471636
I have the feeling they were leading up to something more with the anagrams but they admittedly didn't do much. They were still fun to fuck around with though.

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>>377471712
GOTY

>>377471949
I can't fathom why Carlos though this was the best course of action

>>377472059
Because then he'd get to be with his friends!

Jokes aside, his idiocy is the only reason the plot can happen in the first place and stop humanity's total genocide by allowing VLR to take place

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Who was the best protagonist?
Who was the best Zero?
And why was it Sigma in both cases?

>>377472348
18 inch dick

>>377472348
Best character for ever.

D-team was the only one with emotional impact for me, fuck I even bought the whole Phi being his daughter because of that Incinerator scene being so good

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>>377472413
you are like a little baby.
watch THIS

Was the elevator part in 999 originally that lewd or did the translation team just get really horny during that segment?

I was so excited when Carlos started jumping all around the timelines, I was expecting some really crazy payoff but got nothing instead, well I guess the scene with Carlos "pretending" to rape Akane made me laugh like a maniac and legit though Carlos had jumped so much he became insane, also I cant understand the part where Carlos little sister tell him not to die and Carlos get super concerned about surviving only for Carlos to let himself die voluntarily the next second

>>377471636
I'm guessing they were mainly there for those who really wanted to try cracking them since they add another layer of mystery. I suck at anagrams so I was impressed by them, especially the third game's title being one.

>>377472486
>spoiler
same. I was full hype when https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etz9m5RApxo came out, shitty C/D VO aside.
It honestly feels weird how everyone around here knocks Uchi personally considering the route he wrote in ZTD was the best one.

guys what if Brother was Snake

>>377472693
>Implying anyone loves innuendo more than Nips.

>>377472843
> shitty C/D VO aside.
Have to disagree man, felt they really nailed the whole B-movie feel of the game, especially D.C Douglas considering how ridiculous that character is.
D-team seemed to be the best but I have a huge love for Matthew Mercer so I might be biased

>>377472843
Only characters who sounded bad were Akane and to a lesser degree Junpei. D team, Zero, and Mira sounded really good.

>>377472908
guys what if Brother was a relevant plot point ;_;

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Fuck him, he never clarified the VLR true ending was irrelevant until after ZTD, damage controlling fuck.

>>377473274
>shitty C/D VO aside
fug, I meant C/Q. D-Team's VO was damn good all-around.

>>377473505
>to a lesser degree Junpei
WHUT is yer PROB-LUM
Carlos and Mira I liked, but everyone else in C and Q were just abhorrent. I'd have played Q's segments in JP but Eric's voice had this weird echo to it that kept bothering me.

>>377468387
It wasn't necessarily alien technology it could just be from another history.

>>377473714
Eric's was weird, the voice actor isn't bad so I think it was probably down the character/writing.
I mean Eric was a shit fucking character

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>>377473934
I'd argue the opposite, I thought Eric's character was great- his backstory at least. If it wasn't for "muh angel" and the shotgunmancy he'd have probably been one of the best characters of the series.

>>377474169
>Eric's character was great- his backstory at least
Yeah that's the thing we are definitively on opposite sides on.
I couldn't get the tone his backstory was going for, it tried to be tragic but was so ridiculous I ended up laughing everytime.
It might have been the hitting sound effect they used. Really did not help make it seem sad

>>377474169

> Beginning of Q-Team's Eric is embarassed and cant even answer when asked if he is in a relationship with Mira
> Later in the game Eric does nothing but screech about his love for her

>>377471338
>It's really clear that the author isn't as smart as the characters he's trying to portray and has a lot of traps common of those authors.
Could you elaborate? Not trying to argue, just curious

>>377472908
I'm sure that was the original plan. The whole Left thing was awkwardly shoved aside.

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>>377474419

Not him, but his quote made me think of pic related

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>>377474341
Nah, they were definitely going for tragic
>Mother murdered when he was young
>which in turn caused his father to go off the rails and abuse him and his brother Chris
>eventually leading to his father outright murdering his younger brother and forcing Eric to help him hide the body
>but he still brings himself to smile as much as possible because it's what his mother wanted
Eric definitely had a hard life.

>might have been the hitting sound effect they used.
makes sense; i don't remember it at all though, i was legitimately horrified hearing everything Eric went through.

>>377474169
>any character added in ZTD
>one of the best
Not saying he's complete shit but saying he's as good as anyone in the 999 cast is just silly

>>377474598
I get that argument in relation to Danganronpa but then you have to argue 2.5.

Also it depends on style of the story, and if you enjoy pulp fiction

>>377468989
999 > VLR > ZTD
Any other opinion is wrong. Every entry made the plot worse.

>>377474341
It's dark, but it's also something that could happen. Using alcoholism to deal with the loss of a dear loved one and spiraling toward a path of physical abuse that goes too far and leaves the other kid with massive issues. It really helps establish how unstable Eric's mood is.

>>377474383
In some moments, they're having a more mellow breather moment and he can be more timid/shy about that. In others, the situation is dire and he's sent into further panic which causes him to openly obsess over her more.

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>>377474524
post yfw you will never get closure about snake

So 999 was basically revenge for corporate greed while vlr and ztd are caused by a woman taking a different fork in the road because she was infomercial levels of stupid and couldn't step over a snail? Or was it one of those massive snails from medieval art?

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>>377474973

>>377475075
The snail also caused 999 tho

>>377474684
Replay it man, honestly the music and tone is all over the place when it comes to the back-stories of Q-team.
Like when with Mira you have this horrific murder then the victim randomly shouts out "I FORGIVE YOU BUT PLEASE DONT DO THIS AGAIN" while being stabbed.
It comes across as fucking ridiculous

>>377474756
He has better freakouts than the 9th man at the very least

>>377474937
Your opinion is right, but the only reason VLR was bad was because it relied so much on the next work Uchi would go to make, and ZTD was shit. If it had been what the fans actually wanted (see: Kyle being relevant) then VLR wouldn't have been so bad.

>>377475075
Snails are fucking creepy, I'd have switched paths too.

>>377474756
I liked a lot of the characters in 999, but a lot of them didn't have much depth admittedly.
>Japanese cop who may or may not have had amnesia
>former hacker whose daughters were in the original Nonary Game
>pair of siblings that were in the original Nonary Game
>brother of one of the MCs
>panicky door bait

Ace, Akane, and Junpei to a degree were well done, I certainly can't argue against that.
I'm probably just overrating Eric but as a whole I feel he's never given enough credit.

So what was the deal with Seven's memory? Did or did he not remember Akane dying during the first nonary game? I still don't get what his smile was supposed to mean

>>377474943
>It's dark, but it's also something that could happen.
Oh yeah definitely, that's the part I agree on here >>377475193 but how it's written is awful, like really bad.
From the music to the sound effects and voice acting is terrible, but it seems like that was all a deliberate choice so the tone of the whole scene is thrown to shit.
>>377475223
Only because he's in it for more than 5 seconds

>>377475297
I'd like Eric a lot more if he wasn't completely nuts for mira. Like when it was obvious that she was trying to kill him, he'd react accordingly.

>>377475297
>pair of siblings that were in the original Nonary Game
Snake and Clover were so much more than that. Safe Ending is the scene I've cried hardest at in all my years of playing vidya ;_:

>>377475437
I felt he was in on the ruse, his memory is the reason it becomes a Schrodinger's cat situation in the first place since he's the only person who claims to have witnessed it first hand but isn't sure if the girl died or not.

It's deliberately ambiguous.

>>377474973
Snake should have been brought back for ZTD. Taliesin Jaffe doesn't get enough credit for that role

>>377475297
999's characters don't seem like there's that much to them when you look at them individually like that, but I think they shine in groups. I don't think any other games in the series matched 999's character interactions and room escape dialogue.

I think Eric is the best of ZTD's cast, personally. That's really not a very high praise at all, though.

>>377475437
I haven't watched the end game recently, but wasn't he in on the game to some degree? He knows she didn't die since in the true end she was saved, but claimed she did to keep things going. And then he remembered it as her dying in a different route where she did die, in which case Schrodinger's Cat is prolly being utilized.

>>377475297
Snake is borderline Mary Sue, someone needs to say it already

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>>377475692
>Safe Ending
I can give you that, those two ran away with the Safe Ending. In most other cases I just felt like they didn't do much other than provide infodumps.

>>377475837
>I don't think any other games in the series matched 999's character interactions and escape dialogue.
VLR's probably going to hold the top stop for me just because of Phi and silly shit like Tenmyouji and Sigma singing Tenacious D.

>>377474419
Originally poster.

The picture in >>377474598 puts it perfectly.

Stupid people don't know how smart people arrive at the answers that they get, and just assume it's a natural side effect of "smartness". They just always seem to be right.

Another example of this is the fact that the game is hard written to force the solution to be the only solution in a very hamhanded way, such as stating that none of the doors can be locked picked because "reasons", or even when the teddy bear just outright says way after the fact that "two people cannot commit murder" in answer to a logical point that there could be an accomplice.

>>377474886
I also have not played past DGRP 1 due to the myriad of problems the game had, not just with the writing but the gameplay, mystery elements, terrible characters, cringy plot twists, and being a PG13 rated game that's too pussy to show real blood in a game about murdering people.

>>377476559
Gonna be honest man, if you entered a game like Danganronpa expecting it to make sense after a fucking black and white bear tells you to kill your fellow students I really don't know what to say.

As much as I would also love a serious version of these types of games they were not advertised nor ever described as such, I mean the immediate thing is the game is run by a fucking plushy doll.

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Do people really think VLR is a huge step down from 999? I can see why people would like 999 more but I thought VLR was as good if not even better. I loved how almost every branch in the story brought in something new to twist your understanding of the scenario, I liked the cast a lot, and I thought the ultimate conclusions of the game were fairly satisfying for 40 hours of zipping through multiple versions of history.

Although I am still seriously buttmongled they abandon all the plot threads from the ? ending. It's such a huge missed opportunity to make ZTD tie together the trilogy.

>>377475297
I think the reason why Eric gets so much shit thrown on him is the simple fact that he himself instigates 90% of the problems that the Q-team face, and at least 9% of the problems for the other teams. All of this over him putting the pussy on the pedestal and not acting like a team player. It's incredibly frustrating to watch a person become an obstacle and a villain for reasons that most high schoolers would have overcome by this point.

He is a good character I think, and a natural one, but the frustrations mount up when the solution is overwhelmingly a simple case of "put the damn shotgun down for 2 minutes and just TRUST someone".

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>>377477295
only step down from 99 imo was the interface. That was just completely butchered.

And maybe the music but that's just because Senary Game was too damn good.
Everything else was just as good, if not better.

>>377477295
I'm pretty sure most people just retroactively hate VLR because ZTD didn't actually deliver like what >>377475272 said.

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>>377476559
Thank you for your answer. I know exactly what you mean. Kirigiri and Togami were the worst. I haven't played the game in quite a while, so I had completely forgotten about your second point(s), but looking back on it I see that the writing was pretty bad when it came to stuff like that. I still think the character interactions could be fun at times, though.
>>377477137
Is that really an excuse? Suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

>>377477295
I loved VLR but goddamn if you can't see it's problems then how the fuck can you go after ZTD so viciously.
ITS ON THE FUCKING MOON.
SOMEHOW TIME TRAVEL.
FUCKING RADICAL-6
VLR is full to the BRIM with absolute bullshit!
It's why I love it but how the fuck can you look at that shit yet still attack ZTD for doing almost the same fucking thing!?

>>377477465
It does, but we are in thread about the Zero Escape series which started with mental time travel.
If you can suspend disbelief for that but none of Danganronpa's shit then what the absolute fuck do you smoke on a daily basis

>>377477592
>comparing actual science fiction that's explained in-game to LOL DESPAIR

>>377477651
>actual science fiction
How does SHIFT work then

>>377477137
>Gonna be honest man, if you entered a game like Danganronpa expecting it to make sense after a fucking black and white bear tells you to kill your fellow students I really don't know what to say.
>There's a single, ridiculous element in a game
>That means you should just forgive ALL of it's shortcomings for no reason!

1. No. Especially considering that this is heavily a mystery game reliant on logic.
2. Idiocy aside, I think you missed the point I was making with the forced-solution bit is showcasing the author not being as intelligent as his concept. The main point wasn't how unrealistic it all was, but rather the fact that he had to put in those stop gaps to make the actual solution stand out. A smart writer, like say the guy who writes for Phoenix Wright, would have been able to come up with reasons why the main solution was true DESPITE there being nagging questions like "what if someone lock picked the room?" or "What if there was an accomplice?". The way Danganronpa is written in a lot of places makes it sound like he presented a script to someone on his team, who then asked a very simple and child-like question which poked a huge hole in the plot, forcing him to write in these contrivances last second. It doesn't sound like the writing of someone who could naturally come up with an actual reason why these avenues wouldn't bare fruit in an investigation.

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>>377477487
My problem with ZTD doesn't lie with the crazy sci-fi bullshit, which is actually what I love the series for. I still remember being locked in the freezer and having Akane give her infodump about Ice 9 and thinking it was a pretty neat bit of world building, although weirdly placed (why would you discuss science when you're freezing to death).

What I didn't like about ZTD is that it completely dropped the plot points set up from ? end, like Clover and Alice looking into some method of real time travel, ?'s identity, and how the past was going to affect the future again (how ? could not find out about the past, despite other characters knowing it).

Additionally, it's just a shorter, less complete game. It took me about 40 hours to 100% VLR, but only about 20-25 for ZTD. There's fewer puzzles, less story, and what does exist is cut down. Instead of making Sigma the original protag like they wanted, they split it among the three new leads.

It's not fair bros I just wanted it to feel like the second half of VLR ;____;

Someone post the webm of Carlos going super saiyan
I need it for things

YO WHAT WAS THE DEAL WITH ALICE'S TITS!?

>>377477859
Yeah I totally get what you're saying, its utterly terrible in those regards but the game does open with that plushy telling you to kill everyone around you.
The whole main plot was a contrivance for the actual murders to take place and anyone who enjoys Danganronpa will agree but there are a couple of cases that are fantastic such as the previously mentioned 2.5.

Comparing it to Phoenix Wright doesn't work too well since from its start point its a completely different style and genre of story.

PW is better though I agree completely

>>377477386
To be fair, it's pretty hard to trust someone in his situation. He's a random schmuck, not like half the cast who has played one of these death games already. And he's running into clones and is stuck with a kid with a weird helmet, plus his girlfriend gets murdered.

I was more frustrated with Akane going yandere over Junpei since you'd think she would think with her brain first instead of her dokidoki feelings.

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>>377478062
i gotchu senpai

>>377477295
I liked the setting, atmosphere, and character dynamics more in 999, and the bombardment of twists in VLR didn't do much for me. I think less is more with these things sometimes. I think they both have their merits, though, so I can understand how someone could prefer either one.

>>377478180
Thanks senpai

>>377478059
>
What I didn't like about ZTD is that it completely dropped the plot points set up from ? end, like Clover and Alice looking into some method of real time travel, ?'s identity, and how the past was going to affect the future again (how ? could not find out about the past, despite other characters knowing it).

Yep but you'll get shot down with those arguments since ? is non-canon since before ZTD as according to the writer of VLR.
Also I'd recommend looking back at your playtime of VLR. Mines came in at 20-25 same as with ZTD, its just because it wasn't a VN so you ended up not walking away from the game mid-way quite as much

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You know you all are SHITTers, Correct?

>>377478439
What about me and Meme?

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>>377478439
Is this the power of COMPLEX MOTIVES

>>377478439
You were born a shitter

>>377478696
THE POWER OF MINDO HACKU

>>377478059
I mean, it's not like you can't figure out the answers on your own. We know ??? is a BW equivalent. It's really just us, the player, and hooking us into buying the sequel when it comes. And if we switch with Kyle, then naturally he'd be in our body in 2028 solving the game while we wait in the future. If you found out about what happened in the past, it'd be a spoiler and you'd be less inclined to play. It's super meta teasing. And then Clover and Alice could either use the transporter to transport their clones to a better timeline, or really they would just be woken from the pods in the good timeline since why would they need to sleep.

I agree with wishing there were more puzzles though, and wish it was longer although with VLR there was a bit of padding what with all the doors opening/closing, the repetitive announcer, and the blinking map.

>>377478156
>but the game does open with that plushy telling you to kill everyone around you.
Yeah but like I said, that point doesn't even really matter. You shouldn't just excuse something of shortcomings just because 1 plot point is "silly". There are plenty of works in the "batsu game" category, such as Liar's Game or even 999 itself which are written smartly despite the 'contrivances' necessary to the plot. They don't idly make up reasons why X can't happen, they simply present you with characters who naturally discover that you can't do X because someone thought of it during construction and blocked it, or even that the simple psychology of people around them wouldn't let X come to pass.

Danganronpa is poorly written because there are no logical rules why X can't come to pass, someone just arbitrarily says so, even if it's contradictory to the goals or actions of the villain's wants, and often times are only brought up last minute and dealt with in that same minute by the bear saying "Nah cuz."

Smart work = Contrivances to make the plot move forward
Terribly stupid work = Contrivances used to stop the plot from coming to a halt.

>>377478172
>To be fair, it's pretty hard to trust someone in his situation.
Oh, like I said, I find him a well written character. But it's hard for me, as a developed and experienced mystery/thriller game player to have to go through this. It's like when you're watching a horror movie made after 2010 involving say, werewolfs, and the characters are going through the process of "duurrr wat kills da werwolv?" and you're screaming at the TV to use silver bullets.

>>377470987
Get rid of the fragment system. Pacing was fucked cause of that.

Game should be centered around Sigma.

Actual fucking closure

>>377478358
That's just backpedaling to try and excuse ZTD's retcons. The VLR secret ending was obviously a teaser for elements that were supposed to be in the next game. There's no other way to read the whole Kyle bit.

There's definitely a big gap between VLR and ZTD, content-wise. VLR has over twice the amount of dialogue lines and several more escape rooms. ZTD drags out its scenes more with the way the cinematics work, but I think you'd have to be rushing VLR to get a playtime comparable to ZTD.

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>people still don't know ZTD was not the original script
>people still apologize for Uchi's shitfuck of a release
Fuck Uchi and fuck ZTD.

>>377479025
I loved the idea of the fragment system personally. I just wish the introduction ones were shorter and that end-game fragments were able to seen earlier than you'd expect to.

>>377479141
i really really didn't like nu-Junpei

>>377479232
Why? Are you one of those faggots who does not understand trauma?

>>377479092
>but I think you'd have to be rushing VLR to get a playtime comparable to ZTD.
Nope. VLR repeats a lot of scenes which is where the majority of your playtime is coming from.
Honestly I am not kidding. Replay and check it out carefully. VLR is roughly 20 hours max and even less if you skip out those scenes completely.

Also I think that retcon came before ZTD was even announced, the ? thing was forced in by the publisher from what Uchi stated. It was never supposed to be part of the game which is why there was never a Japanese VA for him since it was so late in development.

>>377470987
>What changes to ZTD would you guys make?
Honestly? Just add more puzzles and make them a little more robust. Not necessarily difficult, just more to them. I felt this round of games main drawback was the lacking in actual escape rooms.

>>377479141
We still don't know how much of it wasn't in the original script. Obviously stuff like the D team family was in the original, and prolly Delta and the transporter. I feel like Carlos was made to replace a Dio plot point, and that Q was gonna be a Schrodinger's Cat situation.

How can we get Uchi to reveal the original plans?

>>377479280
>trauma
Him and Akane marrying sure was traumatizing

>>377479562
>How can we get Uchi to reveal the original plans?
We can't

But you know what we probably could do?

We could probably alter the plot of the next game if we bombard Uchi's twitter with game theory articles of our choosing.

>>377479656
>next game
You mean the new project he's working on? I want to be excited for it, but after ZTD I just can't.

>>377479576
Meh that was one of the few okay things from the game. They were meant to be together anyhow.

I only ever finished the first game, my 3DS stopped working shortly into the second
I remember the laughs me and my friend got from the convoluted true ending in 999
"A message to the future!"
"From the past!"
"In an alternate dimension!"
"IN SPACE!"

>>377479232
>go to great lengths to find his childhood friend/crush who has a huge burden
>end up joining a detective agency where you see the darker shit people do like organ trafficking
>see your own coworker pushed off a building
>finally find the girl and it's part of another death game scenario with another Zero, which is suspicious since she was the Zero in the last nonary game he was in
>expect him to not become jaded in this situation
This is why Sigmafags and even Carlosfags are better than Junpeifags

>>377479742
Honestly as non-canon as it is I liked his reaction in VLR.
Just fucked off realising he had chased a dream he never actually needed to be happy.

>>377479869
This nigga gets it.
You should play the other games, they're a fuckin ride

>>377479943
I will if I ever get my 3DS fixed. I'm pretty sure I only went through the first door in Virtue's. Plus, aged up Clover looks cute af

>>377480209
You should get the steam version, honestly. 3DS version has some slight freezing and corruption issues.

>>377480332
This.
Don't play 999 on Steam if you can play it on 3DS though.
VLR and ZTD are fine

uchikoshi would have saved himself so much trouble by just saying outright that another end was always meant to be non canon and that it was that the person in kyle was just suppose to be a proxy of the player and not an actual new character

that scene wasn't even voiced the the japanese version iirc, it was never meant to be anything but a tease to a third game, but people just assumed that was was the true true end because he never argued otehrwise

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>>377480651
Or he could have simply not created it and put it into the game at all whatsoever.
>put scene in game
>LOL PSYCH IT'S NOT CANON JUST A PRANK BRO
Fuck Uchi.

>>377480651
He did though. He explicitly said he regretted having it and that it was non-canon.
Before ZTD as well.

>>377480651
It was rightfully interpreted as a teaser for the third game. The issue is that the elements teased for the third game did not appear in the third game.

>>377471389
In VLR, Tenmyouji says he was involved with the Dcom experiment.

Junpei was always in ZTD.

Will Project Psync be the final ending to the series, or has he just decided to abandon it?
Either way, fuck the magic alien teleport cloning bullshit.

>>377481071
"involved with the Dcom experiment" doesn't explicitly mean he was a participant in the Decision Game.

>>377481071
>I've been searching for Akane for years
>this is the only picture I have of her
>even though we are fucking married

>>377481090
>Either way, fuck the magic alien teleport cloning bullshit.
Yeah the disease that slowed the metabolism down to the exact speed necessary not to noticed slowed movement on the moon was so much more believable.

>>377481201
It's bullshit, but it isnt magic alien bullshit

>>377481229
Nah its magic disease bullshit combined with magic time-travel bullshit.
Much more believable

Official shitposting tier list:
ZTD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VLR (for that one spoiler gif) > 999

>>377468108
He wanted you to keep on thinking but people just wanted all the answers. so he re-de-canonised everything on twitter etc etc.

>>377480751
Do you have a source? From what I saw, he always treated Another Time as canon until ZTD development started. He acknowledged stuff like "?" and Kyle going to the test site on his Twitter and the VLR answers.

>>377481317
>series about multiple timelines and using the Morphogenetic Field to alter them
>lol time travel isn't believable
go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>377477295
>I can see why people would like 999 more
It's a tighter narrative.
VLR is literally sequel bait and can't exist as a complete story without ZTD.

But 999 is fine on its own.

>>377480651
>by just saying outright that another end was always meant to be non canon
Nigga I don't know why anyone thought it was canon.

It's so fucking obvious that it's just a bonus "go you! You're the player and you're great!" moment so the game ends on something more hopeful than a news reporter committing suicide as the world ends.

Why was the book warm?

>>377481449
This.

Uchi confirmed through a tweet that Blick Winkel his goddamn self was the entire morphogenic field. I feel like that Bioshock Infinite guy who wll never NOT be mad about Infinite Bioshit. I played through the entirety of ZTD waiting for a YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO scene that never fucking appeared. FUCK

>>377481449
Can't find the original twitter post from him I seen but found this article.
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/08/13/zero-escape-series-creator-shares-answers/

>>377481543
Oh yeah because you can suspend disbelief for that shit but not aliens.
Fuck right off, the game was built on pseudo-scientific bullshit and that's what made it fun.
Both time-travel and aliens are just as ridiculous as each other.

>>377481742
Both the link and the tweet it links to were written after ZTD came out.

>>377481149
i mean it is it really that far farfetched ? haven't touched the series since i finished ZTD when it released. but details i remmember

>akane had disappeared for years after the picture was taken (due to being forced in the nonary games)
>he didn't take any pictures of her during 999
>she disappears again after the 999 ending
>junpei spends years trying to find her until he learns she is gonna work in dcom
>never takes a picture of her in ZTD
>in the ending that leads to VLR he has his memory wipied by akane
>the apocalypse happens soon after. not strange to think he lost most of his possessions
>doesn't meet her again until VLR

and they only got married in the good end

>>377477295
999fags are really fucking obnoxious. There was nothing really amazing about the game, and VLR was a much more compelling game.
999 story is average at best, with a cheesy as fuck anime ending.

>>377481135
Wouldn't it though? One ending leads directly into VLR, same timeline and everything.

>>377481135
>Junpei
>participating in managing a Mars experiment

>>377481149
Oh I forgot when they found a digital camera and took selfies in Dcom during the timeline that triggers VLR

I feel like some of you guys hyped this game up with speculation so bad that no matter what happened in it you wouldn't be happy

>>377481864
Yeah shit so it was.
He does mention that the reason it was never voice acted was because it was tacted on shortly before release against his will so I must have got confused with that.

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>Suddenly a wild Zero Escape thread appears
A nice unexpected thread. I miss the days of speculation. It's among the best moments I've ever had in the past 10 years here.

>>377481965
Yeah god forbid we expect a same trend and await fulfilling closure through proper answers. I sometimes forget that Uchi is an infallible being who can do no wrong. A lot of the fan theories in threads were much better than the pile of steaming shit that was ZTD.

>>377481894
>VLR was a much more compelling game
For brainlets who need sick twists and a cuhrazy plots to be invested.

999 has superior atmosphere, characterization, theming/motifs, and everything else that makes a good narrative.

>>377481742
>You can suspend disbelief for that shit but not aliens
Because that "shit" was ESTABLISHED. Introduced in 999, elaborated on in VLR, and although far from perfect, cohesive enough that they maintain a proper story.
Ayy lmao is brought up in the LAST GAME as a fucking central plot point. With no explanation except "lol might be aliens"
>it's all ridiculous anyway XD
I re-iterate, go be a fucking nigger somewhere else and take your B-movie insistance with you.

>>377482068
I forget but were any of the cryptic posts submitted by the "Crash_Keys" tripfag accurate/true?

>>377482068
I hate eric's faggy face so much

>>377482102
>we're stuck on a freezer
>hey let's talk about the titanic

Yeah, solid narrative. Too much fluff text to appear that the game is "emotional" and has a strong "narrative"
Oh man I loved Lotus characterization: "I'm literally only relevant in this one escape room" and Snake's "haha I'm missing 90% of the game and I'm le edgy superhuman"

>>377482140
>With no explanation except "lol might be aliens"
It was mentioned that it could have been far-future humans too which would be akin to aliens to us. I agree that it was PURE FUCKING BULLSHIT though

>>377482097
Yeah but this board has an obsession treating anything that's not the best in the series as utter dogshit. It's stupid and tiring.

>>377482097
>A lot of the fan theories in threads were much better than the pile of steaming shit that was ZTD.
I bet the sentiment would be different if you hadn't been sitting on these theories for four years.

No doubt many people got attached to this theory or that theory, and then ZTD comes along and doesn't do that, after years of people thinking "something like this would totally happen!"

>>377482168
No, that was all nonsense. The only real teases were the character pictures.

>>377481965
No. I thought most of the game was great and Carlos's crazy SHIFTing shenanigans was probably the high point in the series for me but they just crashed and burned on the ending. No final puzzle room and the epilogues are relegated to text docs. The last act was just super rushed in general.

It wouldn't be nearly as frustrating to me if the game was just shit all the way through.

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>>377482220
BRAT POSTERS OUT

>>377482231
You know the "out-of-place exposition dump about tangential subjects" thing is present in all three games, right? That's just part of being a Zero Escape story.

>characterization = relevance/impact in the plot
Please stop.

>>377482234
>far-future humans
What about far-future SHIFTers

>>377482140
Nigga you are so desperate to get angry at a game that never could impress you as >>377481971
even stated.
The game started on pseudo-scientific bullshit. If you want to attack a series on its problems at least have the fucking integrity to understand where that issue originated from.
Cunts like you are the reason this bullshit gets pulled in the first place with your "B-B-B-BUT IT SAID IT IN THE FIRST ONE".

ZTD was the ultimate conclusion of what you enjoyed, ridiculous plot twists, non-sensical science babble and over the top characters.

Deal with your shit nigga.

>>377482243
I see what you mean although I'd say that most people (read: newfags) treat every game as utter shit. Don't get me wrong: many games--primarily AAA nonsense--is pure shit but not everything, obviously.
>>377482245
>I bet the sentiment would be different if you hadn't been sitting on these theories for four years.
Why would it be? e.g. anon's theory of that character from remember11 being Brother was really interesting and Brother being the character he was in ZTD was a huge fucking disappointment. I could shit alphabet shit that would be better than the schlock we got for ZTD.
>>377482272
Interesting. Thanks for clarification. Shame, though.

>do you have the time?
>yeah, its Human-Moon-Moon past Birdman

>>377482485
Fuck not >>377481971
meant >>377481965

>>377482562
I honestly turned into a retard during that puzzle.
My mind could not work it out.

>>377482513
>anon's theory of that character from remember11 being Brother was really interesting and Brother being the character he was in ZTD was a huge fucking disappointment.
It wouldn't be disappointing if that theory wasn't there to get your hopes up, is what I'm saying.

I played the trilogy back to back and wasn't aware of anything the community thought up, wound up enjoying ZTD quite a bit.

So I have a feeling the community hates ZTD as much as it does because of the community.
Not to say ZTD is necessarily GOOD, but coming straight from VLR I had no real expectations of what might happen (other than stopping Radical-6), and ZTD satisfied me just fine.

>>377468283
It's actually impressive how bad Zero is, so bad that he is good.

>>377482485
>the game had one science-fiction element, better throw them all in there!
i'd re-iterate again but it's not like you can fucking read anyway nigger.

>>377482743
>I played the trilogy back to back and wasn't aware of anything the community thought up, wound up enjoying ZTD quite a bit.
Exact same here about a month ago and totally agree.
The build up of hype probably killed ZTD more than anything, back to back the insanity of the whole series escalation is great.


>>377482805
>the game had one science-fiction element, better throw them all in there!
>One science-fiction element.
You appear to have entered the wrong thread friend.

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>dude lmao what if ancient aliens machines that teleport you to other timelines
>please don't ask how or why

When I was playing ZTD and Eric was having his PTSD episodes, I was thinking
>oh shit, eric is brother through some time travel bullshit and left is his brother
Man, Uchikoshi really is a hack

>>377482743
I am sorry you are easily impressed, friend. As someone who played 999 at release* and ZTD years after release--becoming hype as fuck for ZTD--I was sorely let down by Uchi's pandering to Zero Escape newfags instead of core fans, who, if not for their existence, would not have even had a ZTD release. The goddamn creator of Operation Bluebird regrets ZTD's existence.

* = Who remembers waiting a week for a 999 rom upload despite Barbie's fucking goddamn Horse Adventure being released day fucking one?
>DS rom scene

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>>377482920
>ancient alien machines that might be future machines from the past

>>377481971
I don't think it was ever said that Another Time was added against Uchikoshi's will. "?" is a direct callback to stuff Uchikoshi previously worked on and all.

You can easily see that the "metafiction" excuse is nonsense from the "I meant Kyle went to 2028 IN REAL LIFE" bit. The game clearly says that Kyle's going to 2028 to fulfill some mission at the Mars mission test site and be with Sigma, obviously meaning within the game's universe.

>>377482920
A time machine that works more like a fax machine is a pretty cool concept.

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>>377482920
My sci-fi suspension of disbelief can only go so far. I can accept telepathy in 999 and consciousness time travel in VLR, but ZTD and especially the fax machine was just fucking retarded.

>>377482945
I thought that too. Really threw me for a loop.

I just want to know who the fuck killed Left.

>>377482987
>becoming hype as fuck for ZTD
Yeah see that's the problem

You let your expectations gets out of hand.

>>377483079
https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/763339401246089220
He at least never meant it to be canon, just an allusion to Ever17 if anything

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>>377483240
Ah yes, silly me expecting Uchi to answer questions established from the first two entries into the trilogy. Sometimes I forget that Uchi can truly do no wrong.

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>>377483240
>fuck you for expecting things

>>377483182
Left was killed by A;oce who went through the bullshit machine after VLR and ended up in the early 1900s.
She had an autistic fit when she saw his face and thought it was dio. Alice then became a con woman and pretended to be All-Ice on the Titanic, and died when it sank.

>>377483303
Somebody post the tweet where Uchi confirms that Blick Winkel is the morphogenic field.

>>377483079
Some people did speculate that Kyle went back to your IRL body during the time of the game though and help by playing the game, so it's not like it's out of nowhere. It just fits while at the same time being negligible.

>>377483143
>>377483351
Honestly it seems the main problem is not enough people see time travel as being a major fucking sign of bullshit overload incoming

>>377483404
But Left was killed after the Titanic sank. I wouldn't put Alice above doing that though.

>>377483351
Uchikoshi is pretty much dismissing any criticism or inquiry with "make your own canon"

In other words, he doesn't care anymore. The Kyle retcon was the worst.

>>377483474
Time travel is fine, as long as its the bullshit mind time travel that it originally was.
When you introduce Alien? fax machines it turns into a clusterfuck

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>>377483474
>i can't take time travel seriously so fuck anyone who wants to
fuck off nigger

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>>377483351
He kinda did though.
We got the explanation of why Sigma had no arms and a patched eye.

>>377483502
She escaped the Titanic in the coffin, hid out in Germany, had an autistic fit, and killed left.
She went on to marry an egyptian man and give birth to her grandparent, ensuring that she exists to fuck everything up forever.

>>377483474
Time travel is fine if it is done well. The problem is that is it rarely done well.

>>377483556
Oh I know. I will never not be mad about ZTD.

>>377483632
Wow. I reckon his explanations for minor stuff completely excuses his half-assed explanations for major stuff and outright lack of explanations for other major stuff!

How is 999`s pc port?

>>377483556
That was his whole philosophy from way back though.

>377483567
Time travel only works when there's consistency. It can be great but so rarely is. VLR never really did establish any rules to it other than he jumped randomly about.

>>377483612
Nigga. Without referring to ZTD in any way tell me how SHIFT-ing works.

>>377483743
Bad.
Which sucks because the VLR port it's bundled with is perfect.

>>377483303
Again, that's from after ZTD's release. Uchikoshi only started the "non-canon Another Time" narrative after ZTD. Before that, he treated it as a piece of what we'd be seeing in the next game.

The "?" thing was always vague, and I don't think it was ever a literal Ever17 connection, but the teases about Alice and Clover's fate and Kyle and Sigma's reunion are too clear to write off as being flowery metafiction.

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>>377483632
I was mad we didn't get to see sigma in his goofy shirt with his goofy arms.
It made me giggle when I saw it in VLR

>>377483820
>The "?" thing was always vague, and I don't think it was ever a literal Ever17 connection
https://twitter.com/uchikoshi/status/270796452878499840?lang=en

>>377483790
>VLR never really did establish any rules to it other than he jumped randomly about.
That was the rule, he jumped between planes of existence.
But then in ZTD they can't jump at all because reasons and the morphogenetic field isn't even an option until something happen and then everyone and the dog can do it.
In ZTD it keeps changing the rules, VLR is just fine.

>>377483790
>Without referring to ZTD in any way tell me how SHIFT-ing works.
Transmission of consciousness from one timeline to another, brought about by a sense of danger and imminence. The way it was established in VLR, as a capability of specific ESPers utilizing the Morphogenetic Field. A logical progression of pre-existing mechanics in-universe.

>>377484162
Don't forget that they need to feel the rush of puzzle solving or whatever that bullshit was.

>>377484146
>>377484162
Now explain 999.

>>377483928
Meant more that I don't think it was a connection to the Infinity series universe, just a re-purposing of the same concept in a different setting.

>>377470890
shit fucking taste.
999>VLR>ZTD

>>377484236
Akane transmits her conciousness through the morphogenetic field to Junpei so she can live. She later recreated the situation so there isn't a paradox.

>>377468108
It will never not be this thread ever again.

>>377484379
So why doesn't future Sigma just do that with himself if that's possible?
Or why can't Junpei do that with Akane?

The rules for 999 allow for them to crossover and see other peoples paths. The rules for VLR state its within their own personal timeline.

In the timelines where the shelter was blown up, would that have prevented the virus from breaking out?

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WHO KILLED MIRA
>zero
Well, i guess through the grand scheme of things, yes, but I want to know who physically killed her

>>377484478
The morphogenetic field is connected to SHIFTing, but isn't the same.
Akane is a transmitter, and its shown that Junpei is a reciever.
Sigma isn't shown to be either of those, but he is a SHIFTer.

>>377484545
>shotguns a child

>>377484236
It functions on the same principles.

Accessing the morphogenetic field through natural ability, stimulated by danger (game of death) and discovery (puzzles).

VLR and ZTD just extend the powers of espers. They don't change the function or cause.

【F】

>>377484236
The most basic explanation I can give is that Akane and Junpei use the morphogenetic field as a medium of storage.
Let's say you have a drawer (morphogenetic field) and you leave something there, the drawer only opens to people that knows the password (espers), so anyone with the password can go and take what is there, even if is from before you left something there because the drawer transcends time.

>just finished VLR
>moon got spoiled but old sigma was obvious after K ending
>everything going fine until phi ending
>mysterious and clutch power becomes controllable time-travel bullshit
>midichlorians all over again
>not looking forward to ZTD where everyone has a classification of mind-power bullshit
Worth it just for the memes?

>>377484825
yes, pirate it if you want

>>377484639
>>377484723
>>377484770
Then the entire plot of VLR could have been resolved entirely by Akane and Junpei? No?

Why would Sigma even be needed

>>377484825
>Worth it just for the memes?
You've come this far, you may as well give yourself the best meme ride yet

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>>377484825
do it. you won't be disappointed like everyone else was and the memes are elder god-tier.

>>377473687
>True ending
Now that's grasping at straws.

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out of all of the portable vn games that nobody played this was the one i heard recommended the most.

anyone who's claimed this game to be good if not better than any other vn game on the ds is delusional. hotel dusk/last window, ghost trick, phoenix wright, again, trace memory, and professor layton blow this the fuck out of the water by a long shot. maybe it's better than the scientology game lux-pain if you compare the puzzles of 999 to mashing thetans in lux-pain.

basically I understand why Japan treats this game like it comes boxed with anthrax now.

>>377484825
worth it just for carlos

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>>377484951
>there will never be a game as meme-worthy as ZTD again
Honestly for all the laughs its given me, ZTD was fantastic

>>377484924
The Nonary Game AB Edition was intended to create espers that could jump and keep their memories, so that they'd be able to go to the past with their future knowledge.

Sigma and Phi are the most talented espers in the game.
Junpei's kind of shit and Akane can't do it on her own.

Pretty sure she layed it all out pretty clearly in the ending.

>>377484924
Akane is a retard who ruins everything constantly and Junpei can't transmit through the morphogenetic field.
It's okay if you don't understand. It's very Complex

>>377485075
Yes but if she can transmit to Junpei, why did she not use that to stop the entire plot long before it even began?

I mean according to the theories the morphogenic field crosses time itself so it wouldn't be a massive issue.
The series changed how the time-travel worked with each game

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>>377485065
if I was anywhere other than here I'd have hated ZTD. As soon as I finished it I said "wait, that's it?" and jumped into the threads to ask if there was anything I missed wouldn't have known about the epilogue files if I didn't.

the memes and the stream were a damn good time, but that was it. i'd have never touched the series again if it wasn't for this place.

>>377485192
>why did she not use that to stop the entire plot long before it even began?
Because she doesn't know HOW Radical-6 broke out.

That's why they go to Dcom. To find out, and stop it.
Akane can't transmit information she doesn't know.

>>377485164
>Junpei can't transmit
Untrue.
Junpei and Akane both can transmit and receive, proof is the true end of 999 where they literally talk to each other through time via the morphogenetic field.

>>377485319
okay but where is Self?

>>377484825
I got through all 3 as soon as all was PC-ported with nothing spoiled and the ride was wild as fuck, enjoyed every moment of it.
I really like how the timeline changes shit, much like Butterfly Effect but instead of time travel, it was more timeline travel.
Was really shocked by how betraying phi in one timeline makes her betray you in another timeline, that even Jupiter can't find a missed opportunity line.
Sigma's reaction was basically my reaction through the ordeal.
Was kinda annoyed by how almost everyone who managed to get 9 point was able to leave without anyone stopping them but when Sigma got 9 he was quickly stopped, even got his arms cut off.

>>377485391
But she does end up in that program, she even speaks and works with Sigma to find out.

>>377485449
never ever ;_;

>>377485397
I thought that was just because they were connected as a transmitter and receiver.
Like, the receiver can communicate with the person transmitting to them, but they couldn't communicate with anyone else.

>>377485487
>Was kinda annoyed
Legit man, it was the sole reason I got the Dio ending because I realised the only way to get out was if I went with that cuntlord.

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>>377485065
>Playing ZTD
>It cant be that bad
>Ending twist is David Cage-tier

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>>377485697
You know you loved it

>>377485502
Yes, but in ZTD, they're administered chemicals that erase their memories.

So in the VLR timeline, despite Akane surviving the game, she can't know what happened.

>>377485840
But if she can communicate with Junpei through time then having her memory erased wouldn't matter one bit since they could just transmit through during to after and before the events even took place.

Legit if you use the time-travel logic of 999 then nothing in VLR or ZTD would ever have happened

>>377485574
Nah.
When Clover infodumps you in VLR she explains that she and Snake can use the morphogenetic field at will (after a harsh training) but that Snake can send her information and she has to be "listening" to receive it, she later says that because of the training she can also send information back to Snake.
So it depends on the esper power level how good are at transmitting and receiving.

>>377485981
I still can't believe that they chose Clover over Snake for VLR.

>>377485487
>Was kinda annoyed by how
That bullshit need to be banned from existence.
Every time a main protagonist try something similar he is hit in the balls (or any equivalent).

Lets be honest, Uchikoshi forgot everything about 999 when he made ZTD

>>377486134
blame the nips.

>>377485953
>>377485953
I don't know how morphogenetic telephone works, but I have a feeling you can't just call up your buddy to talk whenever, you have to resonate.

999 accomplished this by putting Junpei in the same situation as Akane. Moreover, espers leech off of each other, so Junpei's powers may have been feeding into Akane, or Phi, or Sigma, who are more capable than him.

>>377486134
I can't believe they chose anyone over Snake for ZTD

>>377486183
So why not pull the same shit to prevent the events of ZTD and VLR?
Neither make sense, she's implied to have set up the entire event of 999 to stop herself dying, surely she could do the fucking same for the human race?
>>377486201
>They chose Eric, Sean and Mira over fucking Snake.
I can understand abandoning Santa but having the blind posh dude would have improved it so much

>>377486170
>implying this game has Japanese fans

>>377486331
Akane is selfish.
As long as she isn't dying against her will, she doesn't care.

>>377486170
She placed second in popularity here too, you know.

I really think Clover coming back in VLR was part of a plan to set up for Snake to appear in the third game that was never realized.

>>377486331
>So why not pull the same shit to prevent the events of ZTD and VLR?
You mean... recreate what Junpei's going through for Akane?

But how? Nobody remembers it.

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>>377486134
You know full well why.

Clover and Alice were obviously undercover as prostitutes. Why else would they dress so sluttily?

mind

>>377486457
Well she couldn't have remembered her own death could she? She can transmit before the memory wipe, like as soon as Zero captured them you'd think she send a major fucking warning out like "yo Zero takes over at this time".

>>377486530
We already had a brown goddess, Clover was unnecessary

>>377486552
fuck

>>377486552
MAMA

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>>377486201

>>377486709
HACK

>>377486604
JUST KILLED A DOG

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>>377486589
>She can transmit before the memory wipe
OK so you want Akane in ZTD to transmit to Akane in VLR to transmit to Junpei in ZTD to stop the Decision Game

While they're in the Decision Game

>>377486709
I can't wait! Really looking forwar to it!

How could loli Akane solve most of 999 puzzles EXCEPT a fcuking sudoku? Was that sudoku very complex?

>>377486709
>people will defend this and expect everyone to be okay with Uchi's outright lying

>>377486828
Or just transmit from ZTD to pre-ZTD Junpei a warning of whats about to happen.
Cuts the whole VLR right out the equation.

Or does that make too much sense

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>>377486709
snake game soon(tm)

>>377486902
She didn't turn her DS upside down

>>377486902
You try solving a sudoku within a time limit as a kid with the pressure of a psychopath man harassing you from outside while in an incinerator that's about to kill you in one of the worst ways imaginable

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>>377486902

>>377486604
>>377486820
LIFE HAD JUST BEGUN
BUT NOW IVE GONE AND MINDHACC IT ALL AWAY

>>377486965
But the thing is

They HAVE to go to Dcom, because that's where Radical-6 is.
Their mission is to stop Radical-6.
And going to Dcom means taking part in the Decision Game.

Trying to get Junpei to stop it altogether (which would be difficult considering Junpei only gets to meet Akane once they're at Dcom) completely invalidates the entire operation.

>>377487083
Then why bitch out Carlos for not doing precisely that!?
Either the characters make no fucking sense or the plot doesn't.

Or both were bullshit from the off

>>377487156
Because Akane didn't know HOW Radical-6 was released until she was actually in the game.

Can't stop it until you know how it starts.

>>377487083
>And going to Dcom means taking part in the Decision Game.
Not exactly.
They were living peacefully for some days before mr. complex got bored and started the decision game.
Akane, Sigma and Phi could have said "nothing wrong here, let's move one everyone" and get the fuck out of Dcom and without participants the decision game would have never taken place.

>>377487337
But then as soon as she found out she could transmit!
BUT NOPE GOTTA GO VLR AND WATCH 6 BILLION PEOPLE DIE FOR LITERALLY NO FUCKING REASON

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I played through 999/VLR/All of ZTD's outcomes.

I still don't get it: Were some of ZTD's endings meant as a prequel to VLR?

Was the "True" ending the bullshit "you made your own happy end" one?

>>377487403
>If I leave now, I wont get paid and my sister won't wake up

>>377467442
VN-wise, ZTD is the biggest disappointment I've seen

Second half of Root Double gets an honorable mention too

>>377487525
Fuck Carlos.
Is 1 versus 6 billion.

>>377487525
>>377487420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4N6GJBApdk

The end still kills me

If the anon who made this is out there,
thank you

>>377487598
Does ZTD even count as a VN? It's a straight up movie for the most part.

>>377487520
What exactly don't you get?

>>377487624
YOU CAN'T FUCK A SISTER IN A MAGICAL COMA. IT'S WRONG.

>>377487671
>Does ZTD even count as a VN?
Either that or whatever fucking genre David Cage's shit comes under

Absolute Clusterfuck works too

>>377487671
ZTD felt more like a Telltale game with actual puzzles and choices. I don't know what that is called.

>>377487420
>But then as soon as she found out she could transmit!
And do what?

What's VLR Akane going to be able to do, exactly?

Those six billion are going to die in the VLR timeline regardless.

>>377487671
Maybe not, but I want to put it in the same basket as 999 and VLR, and I do still count those as VNs

>>377487927
I mean transmit to fucking pre-ZTD Junpei that Zero is about to capture them all, she speaks to fucking Sigma shortly after the events leading to VLR so she can get all the details from him.

Doing that would allow her to at least plan something with Sig to prevent the whole shitshow happening.
But its pretty clear the method of time travel shown in 999 doesn't work even though its directly fucking mentioned in the game

>>377487671
>What exactly don't you get?
Try reading the post. That may have a few hints.

>>377488096
Not that anon but I think they were under the assumption you would know what the endings leading to VLR are considering the game blatantly fucking tells you.
My assumption would also be you weren't sure what details were unclear in those endings but considering the game basically hung neon fucking lights on said endings it is rather unclear what questions you had.

>>377488214
I am far more desperate for an answer beyond the obvious someone who cares more than I do read in an interview snippet or something. I guess that never happened at the endings are all splintered outcome shitshows. Oh well.

>>377488436
Nigga there is one ending that leads to VLR.
Pro-tip: Its the one where a person gets infected with Radical-6.
Nobody knows shit about the other endings.

>>377488436
What?

>>377488530
Technically two lead into VLR, albeit they're the same route from different perspectives. D-end 1 (where Mira infects Phi) and C-end 1 (where Carlos does a whoopsie).

I don't know how it could be made any more clear for that guy.

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Post theories/predictions from before ZTD came out.

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>>377489052
obligatory

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>>377489052
>Is that Diana?
>It's Ph-
>Nope, definitely Akane
>That looks nothing like Akane, it's Nona

>>377488538
So many of you fail at reading comprehension.

The question being asked: Are all the endings separate or does CQD-END: 2 override them all as the true ending?

The answer is all the endings are real because they exist in their own realities. This is taught in VLR.

>>377489289
>It's the one who wore the 6 bracelet in 999.
>Oh, so Nona wore the 6 bracelet in the first Nonary Game!

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>>377470890
999 had the shittest puzzle in the entire series. VLR had the best but ZTD's were leagues ahead of 999. Only nostalgia fags contest this.

>>377486709
I'll never not be mad for this. It would have been an interesting plot point too, like Snake becoming the terrorists because he couldn't find his sister and his axe genes kicked in.

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>>377489823
okay

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>>377489947
Don't try fight it nostalgiafag.

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>>377489823
999 had really easy puzzles. ZTD threw some curveballs every now and then.

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>>377490154
Wouldn't dream of it.

>>377490560
I think you need to play 999 again if you think that's easier than the dummy puzzle. It practically wasn't even a puzzle you just swap the components between both bodies without exception and you're done

>>377490681
>easier
It's less about the difficulty and more about the complete lack of effort whatsoever in making multiple shitty "fit all the things in the box" or "rotate the pictures to match" puzzles. Going about a room just to find a fucking tablet with one of those awful puzzles was a kick in the nuts every time it happened.

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>>377489947
>Sigma is the biggest