Endless Space 2

>>377463250
busy playing this and rising storm 2

>>377463250
Because i'm playing
tfw you will never be part of the Horatios...

>>377463405
The Unfallen are my favorites so far. At first I thought the idea of tree people in space was dumb but they really pulled it off nicely. It's also nice to pretty much never have to worry about food or approval.

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Amplitude Studios has probably the greatest community management of any gaming studio. The way they let the community design a whole faction and then throwing a party at release where anyone can just come into their offices and talk directly to them is simply amazing.

>>377463721
Theres some really solid writing behind this game, every faction feels like they are supposed to be the main characters.
I'm doing my first run with the Russian Starship Troppers people and i'm having a blast, next i'm going to play a pacifist route with the space Ents, their trailer was really interesting.

>>377463250
This soundtrack is GOAT,the writing is great,but the gameplay falls short

>>377463250
Is this game worth the 40 bucks, or should I just wait for the summer/whenever it goes on sale? It looks cool.

But I have no friends to play it with

>>377463250
Did they change the combat? How does it work now?
I hated the card system in the first one.

>>377465773
Its mostly a you choose beforehand the tactics and some other stuff and you either watch the combat and just auto-result type of deal.
tbqh i liked it more than the one in Endless Legend...

>>377463250
What is this game? Haven't heard of it. Is it finally a good single player space game or another motherfucking space MMO?

>>377466284
so exactly the same trash like before? where you have little to no influence on the result?
And can't win through tactics with inferior forces?
Guess I'll give this a game a skip.

How is this compared to ES 1? I tried to get into the first one but it felt too slow and the ui made me feel like i was playing a mobile game.

>>377466676
> tactics
its a strategy game, getting bogged down microing your combats is not what we want to go for, and it fucks up gamespeed for multiplayer anyway.

>>377466620
>Is it finally a good single player space game or another motherfucking space MMO?

think civ, with nodes instead of tiles, and in space.

>>377466676
It's better than the first one simply because the modules on your ship are way more diverse and important than ever before and depending on that and your battle plan + tactic cards you can defeat forces that are much stronger than you.

>>377466620
It's Civilization in space. Much better than both Master of Orion and Stellaris, albeit different.

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I want to ___ that fish

also would any anons be willing to play Endless Legend multiplayer sometime

>>377465382
At least wait for a sale. Hopefully by then they'll patch up the post-release bugs.

And unless you're really dying for a space 4x, it probably wouldn't hurt to wait longer. Endless Legend didn't get unique AI personalities until a couple dlc packs in.

>>377466883
>multiplayer
If you wanna multiplayer you've chosen the wrong genre with a TBS.

>>377463250
Really shitty trailer. I have no idea what kind of game this is supposed to be.

>>377463250
Because I'm busy playing the new space treants.
They're pretty fun.

>>377468186
There are dozens of trailers for this game, dozens of hours of gameplay footage and it's a sequel. You're dumb.

>>377467942
They're not fish they're amphibians.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377468110
I really hope we get the Mezari/Vaulters as a DLC faction in Endless Space 2. Nothing better than building up inpenetrable defences and beating everyone with science.

>>377468480
They're T H I C C

How's the combat? Because the roshambo combat of the first one was boring as fuck.

>>377468968
see
>>377467842

It's pretty much the same just with way more things to consider beforehand.

>>377469079
Eww. Goddammit.

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>>377467942
>wanting to fug a frog.
>when this Simon Diamond exists.

And a fat frog, at that.

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>looking at it the other week
>hmm its only up to 0.3.5, full release is probably a while away....
>look at it today
>1.0 is out
Is this a bamboozle or is the game really finished?

Is it worth the price? Thinking of picking it up

>>377469662
They had a really, really good early access phase and yes, the game came out in a proper finished state.

>>377463250
Niche genre and basically no advertising.

>>377463981
They also seems to be the only devs who can use ea properly

>>377470043
>niche genre

Do you know how popular Civilization is?

>>377463250
I bought it but i am away from my gaming computer this weekend. Feels bad man.

I have been revisited Endless Legend leading up to the release since I had barely played the DLCs, and damn if the game isn't great with all the extra content. I saw people hating on Tempest because the facilities were apparently broken, but it seems they patched that since then. I think the new sea stuff is my favorite DLC addition to the game.

I enjoyed the first Endless Space, felt like how a Unity engine game should be done. Just bought this.

>>377463250

How the fuck do people play this with the shitty UI?

I was watching some gameplay of this to decide if I would like it and the UI is absolutely disgusting.

Should I play Endless Space 1 first? Only played Legend.

>>377472316
Kill yourself you fucking baboon

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If there's one thing I really like about all the Endless titles it's how fucking PRETTY everything is.

>The menu clicking noises
>The art
>The moving portraits for the lesser races
>The growth of planets as you see the surface get dotted with air traffic and cities as they grow
>The music
>The sound design in general

Lord, I love it.

Does your leader ever talk ingame or is it like civ where you never actually see your leader after the intro?

I love turn-based games, but I think Stellaris is spoiling me too much lately because I think real time with pause just feels better for 4X. But maybe I just wanted something that felt a lot different than Civ, Endless Legend was quite similar. Stellaris is a bit bare bones though, I'll certainly be playing Endless Space 2 eventually.

>>377468508
I'm with you there, Vaulters have been my favorite in all the older games, at least you can take the United Empire and drag them right down the Mezari path in their questline.

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>>377470043
It's not that niche. These three are beating the almighty Skyrim, and you can't use the "Skyrim is old" thing because Civ5 is older.

>>377474215
Actually, I forgot there were two Skyrims now. But both combined still puts it just below Civ5

>>377472392
There's no reason to as Endless Space 2 improves literally everything. If you liked Legends you will very likely like this one too. There's even a chance to find Auriga in your galaxy.

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>>377463250
Because I'm playing Master of Orion 2016

Will it become more popular than Stellaris?

>>377463250
Its finally out?

>>377474948
Isn't that game shit? I haven't played it. Can get your female cat fix in Stellaris anyway http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=710345134

How customizable can you make the civs in this? I remember it was just some traits or something in EL, not really making your own species or anything. I like how it goes into more of a roleplay factor for Stellaris if you want to make your own.

>>377467942
Big fat frog tats!
http://imgur.com/a/C1j3Y

I wonder if I should bother trying Endless Space 1 since it's in my Steam library anyway. But I heard it's not fantastic anyway and I've got Stellaris going right now.

>>377475093
Stellaris is on Humble Monthly right now, so I doubt it

maybe eventually since it's the better game, but not right now

>>377468508
>>377474207
United Empire are Mezari/Vaulters after they leave Auriga

>>377463250
How is this compared to Stellaris? I've spent a ton of hours building my empire in Stellaris back in 1.2, then took a break and tried out the new 1.5 update this week. Didn't like the forced land warfare, new slow ass pop growth rate, and unity mechanics at all and just stopped playing at this point. Anyone know any youtube videos I could watch if it also has a abysmal tutorial as Stellaris?

Does it auto-skip animations if they're not in view? What I mean is, turns took fucking forever in Civ5 because they would be playing animations even if you couldn't see them. You can turn animations off, but then it looks like shit when you do see them. I forgot what EL did, haven't played in a while. I really just kinda like the real time system in GS games and Stellaris just so I don't have to deal with that shit, I'm starting to think the turn-based aspect doesn't actually improve 4X games much. And I kinda like just building shit whenever instead of just having a construction queue always going. I don't know. ES2 is probably a great game and I'm just bitching too much despite having not played it yet.

>>377477205
It's more of a traditional 4X than the Grand Strategy/4X hybrid Stellaris tried to be

>>377477591
Should I just not bother with it if I disliked Civ 6?

>>377477708
Civ 6 isn't the best example of a 4X, but if you disliked the basic gameplay loop, then ES2 isn't for you

>>377463250
The first one was kinda too simple and boring, especially in late game where management goes out of hand and becomes tedious. Is this one any better?

>>377478061
yes

>>377471185
I don't think they ever fixed the watchtower bug though.

>>377476323
Endless Space 2 improves so much stuff it's way better than even Stellaris in my opinion, but keep in mind they're somewhat different games.

>>377477708
Depends. Civ tends to be more board-game like and each turn is like the one before, where Endless usually changes shit up in a way I've bonded with. But I liked Civ decently. If, for example, you don't like turn-based games, nothing in the endless series is gonna change that.

>>377476601
I'm pretty sure the United Empire and the Mezari already existed by the time all that stuff happens on Auriga.

>>377478061
It's one of those sequels that actually improve literally every single aspect of the first game, be it graphics, presentation, music, gameplay or writing.

>>377478739
the Emperor mentions Mezari ancestry or something to that effect

>>377478869
Well yeah, the United Empire are just people that splitted off from the Mezari, they're the same race.

>>377478592
I kinda just like how different Stellaris is. You're not really hopping to different cities/planets and going down the production queue, you're just building shit whenever you want when you have enough minerals. I don't know, feels like a completely different 4X while EL was very similar to Civ and ES2 looks like it is too. But I still liked Civ and EL, and I'm sure Stellaris's format will get boring to me too. It really feels completely different in a 4X than it did in a Grand Strategy. I'm probably just nitpicking too much here, I'm happier than anything there are a good selection of 4X games since I got into the genre a few years ago with Civ5. Beyond Earth's incredible meh factor killed my hype and Civ6 seems like another pile of crap until expansions come out so I'm glad there are some alternatives.

>>377479068
You should really try Civ4 at least once.

>>377473816
Theres storylines that touch upon your leader, the space slavs touch upon a conspiracy about the leader's sister and her daughters.

>>377473816
the second one

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About to click to buy button boys, any OBJECTIONS HERE?

>Endless Legend 2
>You play as a race on Auriga
>At age VI you unlock spaceship runs on Dust
>Space battles with magic shooting right and left
>It's basically magical Endless Space 2
>You can ride fuck huge space dragon to fight enemy fleet
I know it will never happen but it's cool to think about it

The first game was so incredibly shallow. Is this more of the same?

>>377480802
EL2 as a sequel to ES2 about the reawakening and recolonization of Auriga would be neat

>>377480802
>>377481831
Isn't Auriga frozen and dead post EL!?

>>377482196
yes

but that's what the reawakening would be

>>377483837
you tried

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>main menu music
GODLIKE

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>>377485814
its so fucking beautiful
>>377463405
this, I've spent so little time on 4chan its incredible.

>>377482196
It's implied in the games that Auriga goes through cycles of death and rebirth, as I recall. So it's just taking a very long nap.

>>377485814
I fucking love the music and UI in general. It's nice to feel like this about a game after others have stolen most of my hope.

>>377485814
I didn't think that FlyByNo could top the Endless Legend OST but holy shit he did it. The guy is incredible and to think that he barely did any work before this makes it even more impressive.

4X is boring

Prove me wrong

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THE BEST
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Wasn't this in early acess?

>>377486063
only boring people get bored

>first reviews complain about a "confusing UI" and a boring game overall
>all they do is trying to conquer the galaxy with masses of shitty starter ships

Gas all game "journalists".

>>377486042
>I didn't think that FlyByNo could top the Endless Legend OST but holy shit he did it.
He's legit insane man, holy shit. That doesn't happen very often when you come across someone who tops his previously amazing work.

>oh wow, this is fantastic,bet he wont surpass this
>the absolute madman did it, he went even beyond

>>377486082
I haven't played them yet but is there a way in their storyquest to avoid being genocidal fanatics?

>>377486113
full release was Thursday

>>377486174
>"confusing UI"
Gassing is too good for them. Overwhelming maybe, but that's just because it's new and there's a lot of shit to learn.

can I get a quick rundown on horatio? heres what I know so far
>iq estimated to be limitless
>the unfallen bow to him

>>377486174
>4x game that has many things to do included explore, tactical combat, research, diplomacy etc...
>Easy to use and understand UI after some practice
>Confusing
It's like they don't even try

Can you pirate the dlcs like in grand strategy games? I've bought endless legend some time ago but then they released a shitload of dlcs.

I don't think I'm going to buy it now because of that. Also, does this game have heroes like endless legend?

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>>377486647

Game art direction is great, but this trailer is SHIT, why the fuck they use this music instead of creating or using OST for this?
Also, gameplay is boring in es2 stellaris is much more fun

>>377486809
Paradoxshill plz leave

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>>377486471

Why people complained about the combats in Endless Legend? If you don't like them just autoresolve all of them, and it's like any civ games ever.

>>377486850
You unironically think that ES2 have more content than stellaris? Did they added ton of it with release and i don't know about it? If not you're lying, cuz i played this game 3 weeks ago and it was so fucking boring that i just crashed server by alt-f4ing the game, no1 was upset about it desu

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>>377486985
>Did they added ton of it with release and i don't know about it

>>377486985
quantity<quality

>>377475482
It's good but really meant for newcomer to the genre (which is fine when Endless Space 1 and 2, Galactic Civilizations III, Distant world Universe, etc. already exist).

>>377487096
Not in game where you supposed to waste literally hundreds of hours.

How the fuck can you think an Amplitude game have a confusing UI?

>>377487173
Stellaris really feels like wasting time, it's so dull

>>377486884
>tfw the bogdabots are inside me

>>377487247
It's not when you're playing it in MP
And in ES2 first 2 hours of game (i didn't played more) literally only thing you do is talking with your friends, no gameplay involved.

>>377486884
>traveling without baryonic shielding

>>377487297
>faction quest
>searching for habitable planets
>other quests like the Academy quest
you might just be playing the game wrong

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>>377463250
>shit ass combat

The devs are fucking retarded. It's like you hate success. You look at all the options how to implement space combat and then you have a sudden brain fart and go for this garbage.


Oh well, it's yet another failure of a space 4x game that doesn't even come close to MoO2. Which wouldn't be such a monumental task because even the number one of the genre is far from perfect.

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>>377486012
>I fucking love the music and UI in general.
>Those little clickity cheerful but sometimes ominous sound effects
>big fucking message comes in about something

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>>377463250
i would kill for an rpg set in the endless universe

>>377486939
Endless Legend is one of those games where using the auto resolve, even if you get a similar outcome, is likely to cause your army to take far more damage than it would have otherwise. This generally annoys people as it makes them feel like they need to control every battle to try and get the best outcome.

And I actually like the battle system, and it can still eat a lot of time even on max speed, which is a fucking godsend on it's own.

>>377487640
The only thing i did was searching for habitable planets and it was boring cuz map was really small even with it set "big" in settings
No quest appeared or something like it

>>377487749
Legend or Space? or both?

I'd ask Amplitude about it, they seem like they'd be open to expanding the brand like that and Sega would probably love having a new IP to shop around in a more marketable genre.

>>377487794
you only played it while it was Early Access, didn't you

>>377487891
As i said, 3 weeks ago.
And i already asked about new content on release.

>>377487841
both but Legend first so that Space can expand upon it

>>377487749
>ywn hang out and suck Dust like weed with Broken Lord bro

>>377488164
well obviously
>start game as a grunt on Auriga
>shit is starting to fall apart, winters are getting longer
>rise through the ranks of your race, basically following the racial quest from Legend
>final winter starts to set in
>you find the ship
>escape the planet
>right back where you started as a no-name grunt in an empire, only now you're in SPACE
>cue Mass Effect adventure to do something or other

they are making comics, for some reason
https://wiki.endless-space.com/comics

>>377488670
gotta build that IP

>>377467942
You do realize that tits and fish are literally mutually exclusive, right?

>>377487658
You're really fucking retarded mate.

>>377470689
>come on, play Killing Floor! Dont you know how popular Call of Duty is?

>>377488830
no?

>>377488909
But Endless Space and Civilization are far more closer than KF and CoD, what are you talking about?

>>377488909
4X isn't a niche genre no matter how you try to justify it, anon

>>377488909
it's the ip, not the genre itself.
beside, both Killing Floor and Endless Space 1 are million seller. They're doing fine.

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>>377488830
Come now.

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Just won my first game as Unfallen on Normal without realizing it. Just thought it would be a good time for some alliances, befriended Sophons and Riftborn, boom next round the game said I won due to Conquest. Any idea what happened there? Does the game get considerably harder on higher difficulties? Kinda bummed out from that, I wanted to continue the story for the Unfallen, was quite invested in that even though it's not that much.

>>377489101
that happened to me only with Economic. I think with Unfallen, you don't need to actually colonize planets to "control" the system, just extend your vines. You vine'd too hard.

Anyone got a download for that delicious OST? I'm not paying 10€ extra for it no matter how good it is.

>small group of talented devs release a good game
>then they tasted success and went jew with DLC in the next game
>then they tasted even more success and went full jew with early access
>fanboys still spout the tired "ea done right" lies

I like their games, but I hate how quickly they're getting corrupted.

>>377489249
Well gee, I could've vine'd even harder than that, didn't even try really. The only time I had even remotely troubles was when some fucking space pirates showed up and harassed some of my systems early on.

>>377489284
But the EA was actually good. Almost daily patches and letting it run for a few weeks instead of months/years.

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>>377463250

I avoided the first game. All it took was watching a single video of ES1's "combat" to nope the fuck away from the game. Which is a shame, because ES1's setting and aesthetics seemed pretty neat. However, a 4X with shitty conquest mechanics is a shitty 4X.

Did they significantly improve the combat, or is it still largely the same shit?

So what's that trailer about?
I thought it was going to be a new faction that has a faction specific victory condition of resetting the universe.

>>377489432
it's basically the same, but better

>>377489439
The two people you see there are heroes that come with the Deluxe Edition. It's just a pretty trailer to hype up the game. There are plenty of those with actual gameplay footage if you want it.

>>377489284
You do realize they have used EA on very single game they've made, right? ES2 isn't the first EA game by them. The DLC for EL was pretty disappointing, though.

>>377489439
it seems to be tied to a quest line with the academy
probably its gonna be the quest that triggers quest victory

>>377466676
No. The genocide is for the greater good.

>>377489623
do we have any word on when Quest Victory is going to be added?

>>377489672
It won't.
Maybe in a full expansion but still unlikely

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>swarm of sneaky pirates
FUCK

>>377463250
I had watched the twitch advertisement and the trailer and I still had no idea what the game is about

>>377489964
it's about 4Xing in space

>>377468149
TBS and Paradox-style RT-with-pause are fine, especially if you set the game speed to fast. Strategy gameplay flourishes best in turn-based or slow-paced real-time because you can focus the brunt of your attention and decision-making on actual strategy by the definition of the word, as opposed to tactics and micro. That's not to say that faster-paced RTS games don't have strategy involved, but it really isn't nearly as much as what you'll find in a MP game of EU4, ES2, or Dominions 4

>>377489620
>The DLC for EL was pretty disappointing, though.

Excuse me, what? Except for maybe the Guardians DLC all of them were fucking excellent.

>>377489620
>The DLC for EL was pretty disappointing
history revisionism happening right infront of our eyes

>>377489964
It's Civilization in space. Choose your faction and lead them to victory. It's really quite simple.

>>377466676
The combat is ES2, and in EL and ES1 for that matter, has always been designed to support the economic and game-map control components of the game -- ships are little more than just the actualisation of your industry and science advantage or disadvantage as applied to war. If you want good 4x combat with less of a focus on the empire-building, take a look at AoW3.

So for those who are looking for tactical turn based combat in their 4x space game what would /v/ recommend?

>>377489779
>it wont
>>during the vodyani/sophon vision video a voice talks about using the races to "nourish their return"
>>at the end of the exterminate trailer it mentions the player having to face the truth of the academy and make a terrible choice
>>the launch trailer clearly states that guy in white wanting to kill off everyone on the universe
they cant blue ball me out of that quest like that!

>>377490051
the spy race was pretty garbage, stealing technology was crap

>>377490226
Age of Wonders 3

>>377490226
>>377490353
oh wait you said space

fuck if I know

>>377490298
Needing heroes was the problem. Why have them doing nothing most of the time as a spy, when they could provide more direct benefits as a governor or general?

If ES2 adds espionage, hopefully they come up with a better system. And with all the politics stuff, it could be really interesting.

Or it could just be annoying.

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>>377490226

Nothing, because such a game doesn't exist.

Space 4X games are cursed with devs that would rather write hundreds of quests about their oh-so-wonderful universes than give those pretty ships anything meaningful to do.

>>377490213
>AoW3
AoW3 is a heroes of might and magic concurrent.
Not a 4X.

>>377463250
fucking Sega
this trailer is fucking awful

>>377487841
Didn't they say the end goal is to make an endless RPG but to do it right they'd need like AAA funding

>no cheap keys to be had, almost the same price as on steam

well fuck

>>377490745
maybe that's why Sega picked them up

>>377463250
>no amoebas
>no merfolk
dropped. any space game with out aquatic races are shit

>>377490869
I got it for 22 euros
discount was going on for a day

>>377490893
there's fish tits >>377467942

although there is an odd lack of ocean planets

>>377463250
>all that lore and story

This really calls for a more hands-on game, not a goddamn 4X title.

>>377463250
Can you finally pick commanders from your own race? Not being able to was the dumbest shit in the first one.

Im thinking about getting this, but it would be the first 4X game i ever played. Will i have troubles with it?

>>377489265
It's on his SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/flybyno/sets/endless-space-2-soundtrack
There's most likely a way to extract it out of there.

>>377490612
>AoW3 is a heroes of might and magic concurrent.
>Not a 4X.

Age of Wonders is a mix of both genres. After all, 4X is to TBS what GS is to RTS.

>>377490976
Yes. The starter pool has always at least 2 heroes of your faction.

>>377490942
4X actually seems like a great way to do world-building before doing a more involved RPG

>>377463721
That's the faction that was written by the playerbase instead of the devs

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>>377490587
>Space 4X games are cursed with devs that would rather write hundreds of quests about their oh-so-wonderful universes than give those pretty ships anything meaningful to do.

Are they, though? I think the problem with 4X games is more along the lines "we made our interns write all this fluff and it's shit". This approach to setting building and stories is more of a Endless thing. Only other 4X game that actually has a good story would be Alpha Centauri.

>>377491009
Awesome. Thanks.

>>377490893
There are already amoeba heroes in the game so I'm pretty sure they'll show up as a proper faction eventually.

>>377490893
Amoeba are actually in the game as a minor race (got their ass kicked in the time between ES1 and ES2, serves them right, fuckers).
If you wanted, you could make a civilization of nothing but them by supporting their expansion in your empire while represssing everyon else, including your own race.
Not sure if you could kill off your own, though.

>>377463721
>never need to worry about food or approval
>can colonize instantly after 10 turns for free
>don't even need to colonize planets to control systems
Unfallen are fucking broken

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>>377463250
Been playing. Got slightly mixed feelings. Lot of new mechanics juggling around but it doesn't feel as mechanically clean as EL and I hate to say it because the music is good but the music is no ES1 or EL. Still enjoying the game, just enjoying it less than I thought I might.

>>377466883
>>377467842
>>377490213
t. cucks

if you can't make a good combat system, don't make a videogame with combat.

The combat system they made is about as good as watching paint dry. It's meant for retards who don't actually want to play a game.

>dem patch notes

>[GENERAL]

Added Unfallen Games2Gether Faction
Modding implemented
New Scanview system management implemented
Added planet scanview
Auto ship design / upgrade implemented
Cloud saves are now available
Game can now have 12 competitors!
Academy/metaplot quests have been added
Beginner Tutorial implemented
Custom Factions implemented
Added colonization videos
Auto-ship design implemented
Added technology Helper to suggest technologies to the player

>>377491034
The general ideas and concepts came from the playerbase, they didn't write the faction as a whole.

>>377491132
there's a technology to convert pops into manpower

>>377491159
Okay cool, now leave and never come back.

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>>377490942
There is a spin-off game already so it's definitely not out of question. I imagine they're getting experience first.

>>377491160
>Added technology Helper to suggest technologies to the player

That one is pretty retarded though sadly.

>>377463250
>SEGA

I guess I should brace my ass for all the DLC.

>>377491285
That game just gets impossible really fast

>>377491358
Uh, /v likes Sega now. So shut up and buy.

>>377491358
Yes, Endless Legend had 5 DLC I think and they were all overpriced for their small size.

>>377486985
stellaris is fundamentally broken shit and consists of endless micromanaging tedium

ill take distant worlds over it any day of the week. which, while broken, is less fundamentally conflicted and actually feels like i'm an emperor rather than a endlessly supervising trivial shit. the only good thing about the game is the star trek mod which is ironically less broken than the base game


ES2 is pretty unrelated to them, with it's low opponent limit, more narrative focus, very defined civs, and default turn limit end condition. There's also simply less content.

It feels far more like a game rather than a simulator. It's also a great game, but I don't play it to feel like I'm supreme god emperor of my unique species, forging a long narrative.

>>377491358
I wish we had tons of DLC for Sonic all stars transformed

>>377491465
the only one that was overpriced for what it was was Guardians, the 3 race packs were good for amount of content even if Forgotten were garbage

>>377488819

its a damn good IP by vidya standards

>>377491358
I'm perfectly on-board if they make decent expansions or keep up with their new faction DLC deals. Overpriced? Maybe, but you can always buy them later. At least game gets supported.

>>377489284

SEGA forces devs to the DLC jew

their EAs are great, they never bail on development, and the game is cheaper during EA

do system improvements only count colonised worlds?

i.e. if "+10 prod per fertile" and i have 3 fertile worlds in the system (but only 1 is colonised) so i will only get +10 prod, not +30?

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>>377490226

Stars!

good look finding or even running it

>>377490992
GS is almost totally divorced from RTS as we know it

>>377491728
build it and see how much the numbers go up in the Empire screen

>>377491741
this looks like aurora but with a better ui

>>377491848

its less complex than aurora but still more complex than 99% of 4xs

It's more fun than aurora too

>>377491153
>and I hate to say it because the music is good but the music is no ES1 or EL

It shits all over ES1 and some argue that it's even better than EL. Get some fucking taste.

>there is a novel in the game directory
the game that keeps on giving

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>>377491060

Yes, they are. No amount of good writing and world building can compensate for shitty combat and conquest mechanics in a strategy-oriented genre. That's like building the prettiest car ever designed, and then putting a fucking scooter engine in it. It defeats the main point of interest.

The RTS genre has managed to have space games with both good world building elements AND good strategy elements. Why 4X devs continue to fuck up one or the other is beyond me.

>>377492198
>shitty combat and conquest mechanics

But the actual conquest mechanics are pretty good, great even.

>>377492198

my main point of interest in 4x games is not meticulously ordering troops or ships around, and is in fact the opposite

>>377492198
It sounds like you just prefer RTS games to 4X games.

>>377492198
The people who made endless space are the kinds of cucks who want their """games""" to be movies

>>377490239
There is a global academy story quest near the end of the game where all races are divided into 2 teams and do objectives. It gives some nice bonuses but you can't win with it.

>>377489319
Well normal is easy mode. Now try on impossible.

>>377492485
Not really, they just realize art and production value have a place in 4X. Not everything has to look like AURORA to be "legit".

>>377492485
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and I'm 99% sure you're straight from reddit.

>>377492485
On all the games released nowaday, you decided to attack Endless Space on the "movies" part. This is beyond shitposting.

Is it just me or are the Unfallen completely overpowered? I think only the Vodyani come close to them in the sheer usefulness of their mechanics and starter traits.

Endless space 2 is still the same old pick a research and build improvements in cities/planets formula now with quests and nice flashy graphics.

Genre really needs a shakeup.

>>377491728
yes
You'll get +30 it literally says "per fertile" not "if fertile"

>>377492732
>Endless space 2 is still the same old pick a research and build improvements in cities/planets formula now with quests and nice flashy graphics.
as opposed to what?

>>377492529
does the game forces on a team or you can choose your side??

>>377463250
is the combat still rock paper scissor ?

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>>377492372

You're right, that's not the point. The point of 4X games is to explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate. And yet all to often 4X games like ES completely drop the ball on the last one. Combat that is little more than a pretty cinematic hiding a bunch of dice rolls is fine for genres like RPG's, but not for anything that claims to be in any of the strategy genres, of which 4X is included. A little bit of agency and control over my apparently brain-dead ship captains is all I fucking ask.

>>377492732
and it doesn't even come with the side bonus of engaging/interesting combat

I can still get into MoO just because the combat in the game is still entertaining. It's like 4x has REGRESSED since then.

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>>377492937
>A little bit of agency and control over my apparently brain-dead ship captains is all I fucking ask.

You should play Distant Worlds. Everything in that game can operate entirely on its own and you can just sit back and watch the game play out.

>>377492937
>A little bit of agency and control
That's what the tactics are

>>377492937
There are no dice rolls in ES2, you have plenty of control of whats going on, you equip your ships, you analyse enemy weaknesses and pick a combat strategy that favors your choice of battleships. Shut the fuck up already.

>>377492802
Distant worlds.

>>377486884
Who are they? Can I get a quick rundown?

There needs to be more RPG grand strategy games where you aren't an omnipotent leader of your faction.

>>377491673
Even before when they where accquired be SEGA, they crank DLCs out of whazoo (EL)

>>377493026
>go left
>go right
>go middle

"tactics"

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When.

>>377493039
I would still like Distant Worlds over Endless Space but I could just say
>Hu? Distant Worlds? Ha, it's just pick a planets and colonize. Also, just say yes at whatever your ministers says.
It's easy to reduce any game like that.

>>377493037

Do you have any control over your ships once combat is initiated? Can you tell them what targets to focus or how to comprehend the apparently herculean task of not flying directly into enemy fire? Because if so, I will gladly concede and buy ES2. If not, well then it's still the same glorified auto-resolve bullshit and you've missed the point of my argument.

>>377493091
The Horatio?

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>>377474215
>people plays stellaris
Fucking unbelievable, how anyone could play such frankenstein? It's neither grand strategy or proper 4x. It's place should be in trash as paradox dlc policy

>>377493226
>5 DLC
woaaahhhh

>>377493232
>3 directions
>3 ranges
>offensive, defensive and supporting ships
>2 different weapon damage types
>dozens of weapons and support systems with special effects

>>377492886
You can choose the side and it's funny because almost all the AIs in my game chose the same side as me so it was 6v1. The game ended before the quest was done anyway.

>>377493267
>It's easy to reduce any game like that.
It's not about reducing anything. It's that ES2 is the same old shit over again. We need more 4x games that do empire management differently.

>>377493286
>Do you have any control over your ships once combat is initiated?

Once you finished the tactics screen, no.

>Can you tell them what targets to focus or how to comprehend the apparently herculean task of not flying directly into enemy fire?

Yes, that's what the tactic screen is for.

>>377493334
I thought it'd be good, and I was sorely mistaken.

You'd be hard pressed to make a grand strategy/4x game worse than stellaris.

>>377493428
I wouldn't mind if it was a little bit more like Gratuitous Space Battle.

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>shit all over my enemy in MP with weaker ships because I use situational tactics and weapon types

I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT I'M PRESSING BUTTONS NOTHING IS HAPPENING WOOOOW

>>377493372
You think these are tactics; they aren't. You might as well have an autoresolve screen and dice roll.
No joke the combat system in eu3 is more complex and the player has virtually no input on it beyond left clicking or retreating.

It's possible for ES2's system to be turned into something good, but it's evidently going to take modders doing it because the dev team hasn't got a fucking clue.

>>377491741

Now that is blast from the past! I loved that game.

The hands-off combat would be fine if fleet building had depth and required some thought. But it's perfectly fine to flood the galaxy with balanced loadout ships with a few escorts to tank damage.

Having more ships with up to date tech is the biggest deciding factor.

>>377493236

i miss them and the amoebas as actual factions

>>377493521


lying, and on the internet of all places, oh what is the world coming to!

>>377486471
>>377493091
>is rumored to be responsible for the creation of the Unfallen and Cravers

>>377493286
You have no control. This game isn't for you.

It's glorified auto-resolve but at least you get consistant results unlike other space 4x where you auto-resolve anyway to save time but the results are wildly unpredictable. I understand that it's fun to play a big RTS-style space battle sometime but in most games the only tactic worth mentioning tactic is kiting with missiles. It's not that big of a loss that you can't control your ships since the execution of the battle if you had control require very little decisions or though anyway, just going through the motions.

Would this run on my laptop with a shitty gt650m?

Someone explain to me what this game is and why I'll love it as if I'm a complete retard.

Because I am

>>377493742
> but in most games the only tactic worth mentioning tactic is kiting with missiles.
you're an idiot

>>377493770
If you're a retard then stay away because 4x games are essentially exponential growth numbers games.

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>>377493657
Speaking of Cravers, jesus fuck these cunts. Tired of them invading my shit AND fucking pirates to boot too.

Did they fix the desync problems?

>>377493831
>pretending 4x is complex

>>377493831
Not that kind of retard, I don't think.

I like Stellaris quite a bit, but I have a lot of issues with it. Is Endless Space a bit like Stellaris but better?

>>377493770
The game is, literally, designed from the ground up for complete retards. You'll love it.
It's really simple, it's really easy, there's virtually no thinking required.

Even the combat system is just an awesome movie you get to watch after randomly clicking a few cool-looking buttons with weird squiggly lines on them.

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How do I make my own faction? I can't see the option anywhere. For that matter how do I buyout technology? The tutorial was telling me "Press the dedicated Buyout Button!" but I couldn't see that anywhere either

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>>377493894

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>>377489432
>>377490587
>>377491159
>>377492198
>>377492485
>>377492732
>>377492937
>>377492950
>>377493232
>>377493286
>>377493391
>>377493530
>>377493603
>>377493654
>>377493742
>>377493959
This is all by the same two people.

>>377493428

>Once you finished the tactics screen, no.

I expected as much. This isn't as much of a con as it normally would be.

>Yes, that's what the tactic screen is for.

How much actual control on the subsequent engagement does this screen give you? My main issue with ES1 was that the "cards" were essentially rock-paper-scissors. If I can dictate how my ships behave in a meaningful way, then I'd be fine with the lack of direct control afterward.

>>377493831
This has got to be one of the simplest and most dumbed down 4x games I've ever seen, actually

>>377494000
You don't make your own faction, you're stuck with what they gave you.

>>377494000
click the portrait during faction selection
you need a technology to buyout. it's on the right panel

>>377494026

Except it's not, you actual retard.

>>377466676
You choose the tactics for your fleet before the battle starts. You choose overall strategy for the fleet to follow during battle, as well as choosing which ships fly in which flotilla with each other. You can also design all the ships yourself and choose which modules they have.

>no influence on the result

only if you don't want to

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>>377489265
https://mega.nz/#F!m5xlCIiC!C4w7mQ1oamzDb4WaOmhZqw

>>377494026
No, it was all me.

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>>377494026
lol k

>>377494028
The cards don't have these weird counters anymore like in ES1. It simply gives you different options as to how to engage the enemy in a general sense with some added bonuses. Together with the new ship mechanics and modules you can dictate at what range your ships will engage, which of your ships will draw enemy fire, what type of weapons against what type of shield/armor, etc.
You basically have complete control as to what will happen once you press the ready to fight button, you just can't influence it after you made your decisions.

>>377494114
I feel dirty doing this, but its amazing

Anyway, you can just go in the folder that has the music and extract it that way.

>>377494260
Only if you have the Deluxe Edition I think.

>>377494114
Thanks man but what's the difference between the stereo and surround files?

>>377493801
There is very little actual tactics during the battle in space games. Once you set up your ship designs it's basically just trying to keep at optimal range, focus fire and that's it. Very little you can do aside from that.

Only exception I can think of now is SotS with full physics based system, inertia and restricted weapon arcs. You could do some cool stuff there but in 95% of games battle is just basic execution with pretty much zero decision making.

>>377494337
Well, it speak for itself.

>>377494028
What they've got is almost passable. It's like an alpha version of a combat system.

What they need to do is just copy an actual card game. Like, even fucking gwent or something. The cards as they are mostly don't matter - it feels nothing like a game of skill. I honestly got the feeling from watching development that the dev team hated the idea of making combat interesting.

If they wanted autoresolve combat so they could put effort into other parts of the game, they should've just done that. Developing a combat system you don't want that isn't even fun to play is like the worst thing you could do. Waste of effort all around.

>>377494000
>How do I make my own faction?
clic the portrait and then on the lower right hand corner clic add
>how to buyout?
you need to research "multi thread management"

>>377491549
>he doesn't play DW:U on full manual runs

Its like you don't hate yourself

>>377494420
you don't have the first fucking clue about space games

bitch I'll have you know I graduated top of my class at attack vector tactical and I know exactly how to fuck your ass with railguns after running your raggedy ass frigate down to exhaust its fuel and consequent maneuver envelope while pinning its nose in place with an unavoidable missile swarm to complement my flanking pass at 15km/s

fucking lol "u just keep optmal range and focus furr durrrr"

>>377494473
Nigga no one wants their fucking 4x multiplayer game dragged out every turn because some fucker insists on dragging out every single combat

>>377494473
>Devs did all the spaceships and combat effects for a glorified autoresolve with pick a bonus

>>377494602
Make fleet building actually require some thought then.

Unfallen > Riftborn > Sophons > Vodyani > Lumeris > United Empire > Horatio > Cravers

>>377494473
You didn't play the game or have no grasp as to what the ranges, shields and weapon types actually do.

>>377494649
Enjoy getting shat on in MP if you don't adapt your flee

>>377494227

That...sounds a lot more reasonable. As long as ships behave consistently and don't fuck off into Derpland after I just told them what to do, then I'd be fine with that. The problem is that most games with auto-resolve combat are so inconsistent that it's not even worth bothering most of the time. If ES2 manages to avoid that, then I'll be considerably more interested.

>>377494604
Yeah, exactly. It's completely wasted effort.

Either do the autoresolve with like 2d sprites or some other low effort shit and be done with it, or actually put some effort into your combat system.

>>377494602
Combat shouldn't be so common it's happening every round. The more complex it gets the less trivial it should be.

>>377463250
I played some of the early access, but it didn't really improve over Endless Space 1 for me

>>377494720
There is zero RNG in ES2 combat system (except for that one module that allows your ships to have like a 10% chance to evade a shot).

>>377494785
>Combat shouldn't be so common it's happening every round
You fucking what? How exactly is a war supposed to take place without there being combat over multiple turns?

>>377487141
I hope you're not implying that Endless Space is some deep strategy game, because it was/is the most casual of space 4x games out there

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>>377494260
You can still buy it later.

>>377494337
I would guess one is made for stereo and the other for a surrond system. Otherwise the music are the same.

>>377494473
>>377494720
>>377494785
Literally didn't play the game or is just spouting lies because he got fucked in MP and can't comprehend how that happened, blaming it on RNG that doesn't actually exist.

I wish amplitude would release on GOG so I could actually support them

They make games I like and seem like real solid devs

>>377494802
I thought Endless Space 1 was way too simple and boring and I'm absolutely in love with 2 because it improves or even completely reworks literally every single aspect of the game.

>>377473025
>>The growth of planets as you see the surface get dotted with air traffic and cities as they grow
Did they improve on that?

Was my biggest complaint about ES1 alongside combat

>>377494954
The visual aspect is so much better than ES1 it's ridiculous.

>>377494853
yeah but Master of Orion 4 is even more casual.

>>377495056
Forgot to say:
and there is nothing wrong with that.

>>377494227
>Together with the new ship mechanics and modules you can dictate at what range your ships will engage, which of your ships will draw enemy fire, what type of weapons against what type of shield/armor, etc


this sounds like you have choices, but you actually don't since you'll just use all your utility module slots for speed so you can actually be able to engage the enemy before they take all your worlds

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>>377494905
I rarely come across a company interact that much with its community, the EA phase went very well. I was one of the earliest adopters, didn't like the game at all at the start(a lot of things were missing/oversimplified), but they pulled through somehow and I'm grateful for that

>>377495106
None of the things I listed are majorly influenced by your choice of support modules. Stop fucking lying already.

Also your choice of heroes and technologies are way more important if you want to be faster than your enemy.

Fucking amazing, on par with the OST from Endless Legend:

https://youtu.be/4BeR6zv3tH0

>>377488670
comics about dungeon of the endless seem like an awesome idea

they have the banter down in that game as well

>>377495284
but then the only things you can affect in combat are whether you're defending against energy or kinetic

Does anyone else love playing around with the ship builder?
>tfw build specialised transportation fleet
>tfw 40 movement
>tfw could shuffle around ships to key systems with no trouble at all

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>>377495414
>tfw 40 movement
what the fuck

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>>377494592
nice
wish computer space 4x games had this much depth

>>377495380
>you can dictate at what range your ships will engage, which of your ships will draw enemy fire

You're doing this on purpose.

>>377495414
I HAVE NO CONTROL DUDE I'M PRESSING BUTTONS HA HA HA WOOOW KOJIMA BRAVO

Fill in the following faction heroname:

________ is the best girl

>>377495048
when I saw a planet with kessler syndrome anomaly actually had a cloud of debris around it

>>377495561
Endless Space have more gameplay than every Kojima games combined.

>>377495578
Horatio

>>377495510
>got a pirate in my starter system, gotta have to wait your turn homie
>alright I'm coming back in 40 minutes

You're one of those guys with plenty of "ideas" for a video game that would like to a fucking mess of a game, am I right?

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>>377495578

>>377495517

which button do you press to do that, I can't find it

>>377495475
I was playing Riftborn and specced into improved Rational class ships, then strapped a shit ton of fleet accelerators to them. They were expensive to produce, but I was shitting out so much industry that I could easily build a whole fleet of them in a few turns.

The result was that I had no engines on my other ships and could just use my transporters to get my other ships where I needed them. Five transporters usually got me about 24 movement.

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>''Competitive Quest Started:
Alright, what do we have he-
>The means of production"

>>377495651
There are types of ships that draw enemy fire. If the enemy has a lot of close range weapons you put those on the close range lines as to even further protect the rest of your fleet for example. You probably fought with your shitty explorer ships against some pirates without any technology or special modules and then go on to complain about simplistic combat with "no control".

I want to ____ a Vodyani girl!

>>377495648
Are vodyani just broken lords in space?

>>377495738
>implying I didn't dominate everyone because the AI's ship designs have half the attack power of my ships on impossible difficulty

>>377495789
Some of the fluff is similar because both suck the life/dust out of other people but overall no.

>>377495816
How about you play some MP then and see how far your "I have no control whatsoever, just click a random card I guess" is gonna carry you?

Is this actually good?
You fuckers tricked me into buying Stellaris.

So how do i git gud?
Playing against AI and they just magically expand like fucking crazy.
Either that or i get a shit galaxy without any planets to colonize.

Really like the finalized tech tree compared to last patch, colonization techs not all being mobbed up in Science really makes it easier to branch out.

>>377495641
I don't think it'd work for a 4x game, but for something similar - x-com style for example, yeah it'd be fucking great.

Take a jupiter-like system, 30+ moons who knows how many asteroids, colonies everywhere, multiple factions, the jupiter-like system acts as gatekeeper for intra-solar travel since slingshot manuevers save fuel, introduce multiple factions, and you've got the perfect setting for realistic space combat and can easily have combat actions take 40+ minutes.

It wouldn't be 4x but it'd be fun.

It's what I thought nexus: the jupiter incident was going to be like for the first 3 or so missions before it went full soft scifi.

>>377495906

I pirated it

>>377495641
All the rolling and physics would be calculated and visualized by computer so it would really fast.
Porting boardgame 1:1 to computer game is terrible idea of course. The idea is to streamline it and utilize the advantages of computer while keeping the decisions and tactical depth of the original game.

>>377496006
the AI is awful at combat. Explore with probes as much as possible and you can discover some insane tech. I got Era 5 Kinetic weapons on turn 27 because I upped my detec

>>377495787
throw clothing onto

>>377496065
So i just shoot them randomly into space and then probe whetever planets i find?

>>377495665
>Riftborn
Gonna play those interesting folks after my first match (Vodyani).

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Why not?

>>377495048
Can I get a screenshot of the planet view?

I love Dungeon of The Endless and Endless Space introduced me to 4X, but when I tried playing it recently I was just bored. Still, Amplitude is one of the better studios out there.

>>377495414
>>377495665
So wait do you make those transport ships participate to battle or is it just a mean to transport bigger ships around ? Don't you end up with incomplete fleets arriving in ennemy systems ?

>>377488306
The concept of blending a high tech environment ie spaceships with a fantasy based race with magic and swords sounds awesome.

>>377496031
>children of a dead earth will never be an actual strategy game

>>377495937
It's way, way better than Stellaris.

>>377496108
your opening turn you should send out both probes. You should remodel your scout ship to have x2 probes when you get the chance and get the detection level tech(s). I didn't know how to find tier 2/3 resources for the longest time until I did it and the AI is also really bad at searching their own systems.

Even on Endless difficulty the AI doesn't seem to give a shit about its resources.

>>377496061
>All the rolling and physics would be calculated and visualized by computer so it would really fast.

It's actually already really fast. I'd say your average game could be wrapped up in 40min - 2 hours, which is pretty typical for tabletop wargames.

It's complicated but they did a lot of work to cut down on math (e.g. using lookup tables and 'shooting' vectors) I played it with some kids and they picked it up pretty quickly when I followed the suggested guide and used chocolates as incentive.

>>377496284
Thanks for the advice.
I should probably replay the tutorial though.