why people still like turn based combat?

because they are allowed to like different things than you do

OP you're a fucking fag, kys

>>377435083
Because its fun

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I like it because it's relaxing as fuck. Sometimes I just wanna take shit at my own pace.

>>377435378
This.
Not my fault you're too autistic to enjoy it.

>>377435083
because they're over the age of 20, unlike you

>>377435083
A better bait would be : why people still like turn-based combat accompanied with random encounters.

Because it's based on chance. Like real life.

>>377435083
why people still ask this question?

>>377435083
*meme answer here*

So do you want an honest answer, or no?

Taking turns is the gentlemanly way to fight.

>>377435083
I think the more important question is why do people still think the bog standard JRPG menu-based combat is acceptable at all

>>377436876
there's nothing wrong with selecting choices from a menu.

there's a lot more wrong with invisible encounters every step

>>377435083

It can be challenging. Unlike the garbage combat in FFXV.

>>377435083
It's comfy

>>377435083
Planning, resource management, party composition and management, it's more strategic than an ARPG and is more about thinking and planning ahead than reacting.

>>377438121
>Planning, resource management, party composition and management, it's more strategic
lol

>>377437887

>claim to enjoy turn-based gameplay.
>complain when the game makes you do it.

Hating random encounters* is a sign that the gameplay itself is flawed.

* in their entirety, I mean. It's valid to complain about the -amount- of random encounters, but that's not a complaint against random encounters as a concept. It's perfectly possible for a game to spam you with encounters randomly or otherwise.

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I'm jealous of people who enjoy it... I miss out on so many good games.

>>377438808
>I if pretend to laugh at his perfectly factual and valid points, maybe they'll stop being true!
lol

>>377438121
>Planning, resource management, party composition and management
>Any of this ever mattering in a JRPG

>>377439078
well it was acceptable back in the 80s because of hardware limitations. but even then it came down to a calculation of how many steps x rng equals a battle.

earthbound just spoiled rpg enthusiasts with the ability to engage or zone away battles and i prefer that to any form of random encounter, even smartly designed games like pokemon.

>>377439468
>smartly designed games like pokemon
?

>>377439241
You do know that all of those problems (that barely exist) can be taken care of in under a minute and you don't even encounter them after that. You did play turn-based games right?

I don't. The games I make exceptions for tend to bend the genre just enough to eradicate most of the problems that naturally arise from it.

Example: Paper Mario and Persona providing enemies on screen and reducing random encounter syndrome

>>377439532
well the rng in pokemon dictate what random pokemon comes out in the grass and there's videos on the subject of pokemon's rng. it's smart in how it executes that for at the time the limited hardware of the gameboy.

>>377435083
Because its a video game. Turn based combat is a mechanic used in video games. I like video games. There are other mechanics too, but they aren't like this one.

>>377438121
>Planning, resource management, party composition and management
I can't even remember the last time I had to spend time thinking about any of this in a JRPG.

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>>377435083
I like being able to directly control party members, it makes combat feel more tactical.
I especially love it when the game allows you to rapidly plan out your next few moves and you watch as everything goes all according to the keikaku.


I don't hate action combat but recently I've not found any interest in it, but I'm going through Nier on the 360 and I'm digging it.
It's only recently that I started preferring to play turn based systems, and that was because I've been becoming more interested in gameplay mechanics that emphasize equipment and other character customization like special skills.
I realized a while ago that in many action based systems things like abilities which boost stats, or give a type advantage don't usually matter because it all comes down to reflexes.
That's not something I'd say is true for all games, but a large amount of action based rpgs do suffer from this.

I never cared much for it; but it works and I want to get to the next part of the story so I put up with it.

>>377439969
I've fapped to so much of her stuff, I need more

>>377435083

Dragon Quest is an example of a bad turn based game. I'd suggest playing better ones, like Baten Kaitos or Skies of Arcadia.

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>>377435083
But it can be fun sometimes !

>>377440064
Dragon Quest is as classic as turn based gets, you can't call it bad.

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>>377440064
>Baten Kaitos
This game and Origins are GOTY. I was so sad Origins did not come to Europe. Then happy again when I downloaded it from wiisos

>>377435083
I like to play with my balls while I wait for my turn.

>>377440335

Nice buzzword argument, shill. Until you learn how to form a proper argument, >>>reddit

>>377440335
reddit

>>377440335
different strokes. also nothing wrong with Kaitos or Arcadia.

>>377440515
me. I've fapped and played JRPGs on more than one occasion.

>>377435083
i like both action and turn based they both have pros and cons to them

>>377439539
Problems? What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say these were "problems" with ARPGs that needed to be fixed?

There's nothing wrong with ARPG combat, it's just different, it focuses on different things. ARPGs don't really focus on party/resource management or planning because it's a real-time action game.

>>377440462
>tfw you have a 1 through 7 and top deck 8 and 9

>>377440335
>It isn't bad because it's the earliest and most primitive version of turn-based combat to date

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>>377439468
>well it was acceptable back in the 80s because of hardware limitations.

Early CRPGs and JRPGs were aping table top RPGs.

>>377435083
why do people still like action games

>>377435471
>Too autistic
More like not enough

>>377442806
no shit but the dungeon master was all computer code, who doesn't bend rules because the thief is gonna fuck him tonight.

I fucking love dragon quest

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Purest form of combat.

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>>377435083
Well there's good turn-based combat that allows for customization, strategy, flows nicely and has appealing visuals. And then there's lacklustre, boring, slow and braindead turn-based combat.

Saying "turn based is objectively bad" is like saying "action is objectively bad because KH/FFXV/Nier has shitty combat". There's tons of examples of action-combat that sucks balls and is a chore to play aswell.

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>>377443217
Me too

>>377443398
Does Arc Rise Fantasia have a bad combat system?

Only played the beginning and I liked it enough

>>377435467
this, as long as its not FF 9 when shit goes to slow i get annoyed

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>>377444912
If you enjoy tough RPG combat its great, though it borders on bullshit sometimes. I emulate it so at least I can savestate at the beginning of every bossfight, can't imagine what its like on console though, especially with that god-awful dub

>>377440462

Origins didn't come to Europe? Man I feel bad for you guys. Origins is by far my favorite of the two.

>>377440335

Yeah sure it's classic, but you have to admit it's stale. I've played my fair share of Dragon Quest games, and they're all pretty average. Battles are boring, and the stories aren't all that good either. These games just haven't aged as well as the older Final Fantasies like 5.

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>>377443398
>>377446062

I love this game. Its combat is amazing. Yeah it can be buttfucking hard, but it's worth it. When you beat a really difficult boss in this, you feel like you really accomplished something. I'd say the longest battle I was in was against that dragon in the post endgame. Took me 2 hours to finally beat him.

The game also looks and sounds good. The OST is so fucking good.

Obviously action combat and turn-based combat are two very different things.

Action combat is all about hitting the right buttons at the right time and performing actions directly.

Turn-based combat is all about in-battle tactics as well as out-of-battle preparation. It really depends on the individual game, though. Some games have more depth than others.

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>>377446732
Did you play it dubbed or undubbed? I have japanese voices but apparently most big attacks are telegraphed by voice-lines, which I obviously can't make out through the japanese. Might explain why I get fucked by the game so hard.

>The OST is so fucking good.
Has an above average soundtrack with some stand out tracks, but I gotta say the overworld and combat theme get stale pretty quick

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>>377435083
Why wouldn't I like turn-based combat?

>>377447038
Some people have ADHD and can not enjoy turn based combat.

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>there are people on /v/ who don't like Dragon Quest

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There's nothing wrong with turn-based as long as devs remember to make enemies an actual threat.

>>377446972

I played it dubbed. Honestly, after a while, I got used to their voices, and even liked a few. I think as the game went by, the voice actors got better, they seemed to improve with time. Yeah, combat music is kind of boring, but I like the comfy overworld. Also really digged the ship's theme. Personally, I think it has an excellent soundtrack overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoqMNYoZqCs

Fun fact, Cecile's voice actress also did Karaoke Bomber's voice in Super Bomberman R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY1nAqVXtTg

>>377447260

I've played several Dragon Quest games, they all seem stale. The artstyle is amazing, but the battle system seems antiquated, even as far as turn-based RPGs goes. It feels very slow and boring.

I want to like Dragon Quest games, because the art style and enemy design is great, but I can't.

>>377439973
I think i agree with the sentiment.
Some times, grand strategy is really really fun.
And when the action game is just a light blend of different genres, it just feels too watered down to work properly.

Action combat is for people who think pressing button combinations is a "skill". You often hear them talking about how "good" they are at video games.

Turn-based combat is for people who like to use their brains and approach combat in a way that is more tactical in nature. These are the ones who will talk about how fun a game is or how much they enjoyed the story.

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>>377447357
I'm glad Ryfia's voice actress never did any voicework again. From what I've seen in videos she was the absolute worst of them all. Legit thought she was autistic, while in japanese she's adorable

Why play a board game when you can play a sport?

>>377447752
sports require actual talent. Pressing buttons on a controller does not.

>>377435083
If you want to keep asking this question, you should stop using one of the best turn based JRPGS of the past few generations as an example.

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I recognize that it's pretty easy to get turned off of JRPG's because a lot of them use the really bland turn based format like the OP's image, DQ. The bog standard should definitely go by the way side. I still like Persona 4/5 though but I feel SMT has toyed with better formulas already like Devil Survivor and such.

Some games with far more interesting turn based combat are Falcom's Trails series, Radiant Historia, basically any tactics RPG like FFT or Tactic's Ogre, that kind of thing.

Avoid the games like Final Fantasy and such.

>>377447829
games require actual talent. Kicking a ball does not.

>>377447909
no

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how good is Dragon Quest V? how's the random encounter rate?

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>>377447737

Yeah, Ryfia's always sucked. She never got any better. I liked Cecille's though, I'm kind of glad she did more characters.

>>377435345
Fpbp

>>377447602
Turn based games don't necessarily have more focus on tactics though. In a lot of games you can steamroll everything with the same strategy.

>>377447891

I think FF5 is still a pretty good Final Fantasy though. Despite most of them being trash, this one stood out because of the amazing job system.

>>377447961
It is fantastic, I only played V, VI and IX and I like V by far, the story is really good.
I don't remember having any problems with the encounter rate, so it should be fine (I played it on the DS).

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>>377440462
>>377440118
Personally I find Paper Mario and the Baten Kaitos games examples of good turn based combat. I mean standard turn based is fine like in Dragon Quest, but I actually like playing the game at all times and not letting numbers and math equations decide whether or not I take damage or if my attack hits. Anything with a time bar I can't stand, it's a wonder how I even completed a run of Chrono Trigger.

>>377448163
nice, thanks

>>377448189
>not letting numbers and math equations decide whether or not I take damage or if my attack hits
So you don't like playing RPG's.

>>377447930
no

>>377435083
Why does OP still cannot form a proper sentence, but talks like a nigger instead?

>>377448962
>Why does OP still cannot
t. Illiterate retard

>>377448570
>So you don't like playing RPG's.
Nobody really does, people just put up with the gameplay for the stories.

>>377448570
Very few.

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>>377435083
It's nice when you coordinate 4-6 people and get to do fancy stuff like initiating a multi hit attack with one character while another follows up with a reaction skill that attacks just as often, except with a status effect inflicting weapon.

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>>377439468
We had turn-based multi-player non-linear multi-ending open-world RPGs with avoidable on-screen enemies in the 80s.

>>377449335

In my case I just put up with the shitty story for the decent gameplay.

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>>377442952
what, like Natural Doctrine?

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>>377447531
that's why you challenge yourself and make it a faster game,

>>377452681
>Dragon Warrior Any% 25 minutes
last time I watched a DQ1 speedrun it was like five hours of grinding
what happened

>>377452681
What you posted is speed runs. Things you do after you are much more familiar with the game and what you can get away with. Other words beating it at least once. So it doesn't really apply well here.

>>377447301
neVer eVer

>>377452976
if you start of with the shorter DQs and learn how the direction of the game usually goes you can go at the longer ones and use that knowledge to blow through them

>>377439208
There's always the gateway RPGs to ease you into it
either Super Mario Rpg or Superstar Saga

>>377435083
Because action-based combat usually gets stale pretty fucking quickly. Your average RPG has shit clunky combat that wouldn't ever be tolerated if it weren't for the other elements in the game being enjoyable.

I'd rather have a turn-based system like x-com, or fallout 1/2, or age of decadence than the shit in your average bethesda release, or fucking button mashing.

>>377449335
>my opinion is everyone's opinion

>>377448189
>>377440462
>Baten Kaitos

Oh siht i didint realised /v/ is okay wit this game. Fucking love the first game man. I still havent finished Origin yet . Everyting about te first game is great

>dat unique art direction
>dat ridiculous RNG as fuck combat that grow on you
>all dem bantz
>dat fucking twist upon twist which legitly took you by surprised

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GOD TIER:
>Grid-based strategy
HIGH TIER:
>turn based
MID TIER:
>real time with pause
LOW TIER:
>real time
SHIT TIER:
>hexagon-based strategy

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>>377435345

fpbp

>>377435083

Why do people like mindless shitty FPS games? They just do.

I love turn-based combat. I grew up on the stuff. It's almost calming. I prefer to grind liquid metal slimes in DQ for hours. Rather than play 1 minute of a MOBA game or popular FPS.

>>377453380
or Golden Sun

>>377453858
>>real time with pause
Honestly don't understand the point of this

If you're going to allow me to pause constantly in the middle of a "real time" battle, you may as well just make it turn-based

>>377435083
number crunching is fun

>>377435609
Even when I was 12 I thought JRPGs were simplistic and boring, but maybe that's because I was playing games like X-COM Apocalypse back then, which is probably because I had some actual standards for game mechanics (such as: being able to position your units on an actual map). I guess you can't get more delusional than people who play a genre made for dumb wageslaves in Japan.

>>377438121
JRPGs are some of the worst examples of those things, especially because there's all of that mindless filler exploration shit stitched onto it.

>>377437887
>there's nothing wrong with selecting choices from a menu.

Agreed, but it's only good if it gives way to something complex and exciting. JRPG combat is shallow as fuck, barely any kind of engagement or thoughtfulness is required.

>>377437767
They'll put up with it for their anime storyline. It really is that dumb.

>>377451474

>Weeaboo shit
>Persona
>Grate tier
>SMT

Obvious SMTfag made this shit chart.

When you stop complaining about it being boring and learn to appreciate and even enjoy turn based combat and grinding, then you know you have reached adulthood.

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This is turn based combat done right.

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>>377454274
We got a superiority complex here.

>>377435345
so what you're telling me is that people like things just for the sake of being different?

>>377435083
When done properly, it allows games to be difficult in the strategic sense. I wouldn't want to exclusively play turn-based games, just as I wouldn't want to play exclusively play real-time games. Playing both kinds of games gives good variety and neither gets old.

However, I will say that most turn-based games are absolute shit and the only way to make them good is to do challenge runs.

>>377453858
FATHER OF ALL TIER:
>Press turn smirk not included

>>377451474
Entry level shit yet they are the only JRPG worth a shit.

>>377455161
>implying Apocalypse are not top tier JRPG mechanics

Smile Charge, Magaon and extra skill effects are fun. Should be kept desu (gaining Smirk from crit is shit though)

>>377451474
>"weeaboo"
>all games are Japanese
what does this word even mean anymore

>tfw you like turn based games because you have attention deficit but without hyperactivity
I literally cannot play anything that requires fast action timing. I'm bad so I'll enjoy turn based RPG.

>>377455453
Its time to word filter it, it makes /v/ slightly more bearable

>>377455421
It's change for the sake of change, wholly unnecessary, but I guess you have to shake things up for mass appeal.

>>377455453
Weeaboo:
>Weeaboo, also seen misspelled as Weaboo, is a synonym for "Wapanese", which in turn means "wannabe Japanese" and/or "white Japanese" (in line with the more mainstream term "wigger[1]"). It stems from an old wordfilter to that effect in /b/. The word itself comes from an issue of the (web-) comic The Perry Bible Fellowship, wherein it means something else (and more to the point, nothing in particular), but a single panel from the strip in question[2] is still considered synonymous with the meaning it has on 4chan.

>"Wapanese" itself is a derogatory term for an American or European (usually white) who is obsessed with Japan to the point of wishing to be Japanese. Wapanese typically make statements about the superiority of Japanese culture to their own, that Japanese women are more attractive than anyone else, etc., and thus deserve scorn due to how annoying and ignorantly derisive cultural cringe suck up these tirades are. The term is often used on 4chan when a moderator deletes fanart made by Americans or of American characters. "Weeaboo" has since taken on a life of its own, and is used by /b/tards who don't watch or like anime to taunt /b/tards who make more than passing mention of it, even if they're not obsessive otaku. "Weeaboo" has almost completely eclipsed "Wapanese" on 4chan, the latter is rarely used anymore.

Weeaboo was always used as an insult by other Anime fans against obsessive people.

>>377455453
Its more like you never knew what the term weeaboo actually mean in the first place.

>>377455453
A weeb/weeboo is a subgroup of the human race, that for some reason he/she/xhe/whatever funny words you people use these days, thinks that they are japanese, want to live like the japanese, and want to mate with the japanese. In order words, Japan obsession. It's like the race version of gender identity. A weeb game on the other hand, is a game that panders to the otaku scene. And in some weird connection, weebs or this japanese obsessed people, tends to be in this same group. And usually these otaku plays dating sims, thus any japanese game that feature this mechanic, is considered to be weaboo game.

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>turn based combat with action prompts, making it so equipped items make the game feel fresh and new every time you get new shit

Menu combat is absolute shit tier, though turn-based strategy and the like are patrician.

>>377458057
Does legend of dragoon do that?

>>377437912

This

I don't like turn based games, but I have also not played many. Recommend me the best turnbased game so that I can see what the genre can offer.

>>377455453

It's lost all meaning, like emo.

Weeaboo used to mean people who literally wanted to he Japanese, Now weeb is anything remotely Japanese.

Well,

Because it's comfy.

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>there will never be a game as good as TLR or RoF ever again because people prefer braindead shit like Skyrim and FFXV

feels bad man

https://youtu.be/dQXIhUhIg1U

>>377458057
what game(s)

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it just works

>>377459020
Final Fantasy Tactics and Divinity Original Sin

both of them have 10/10 combat

>>377435083
Because not every turn based combat is the boring spam normal attack for hours that dragon quest is.

>>377459020
chess is pretty good

>>377454772
SJWs and cucks sure do

>>377459454
RoF?

>>377459020
civilization
heroes of might and magic
xcom
final fantasy tactics
fire emblem especially ike edition
worms

>>377461241
Resonance of Fate

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>>377459020

>>377461748
Is this game actually good?

>>377461748
ah, I've had it pirated on my ps3 for a while now

Probably gonna play it soon after I beat the optional superboss in P5

>>377462118
I can't say since i've never played it myself.

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>>377435083
1. It is fun
2. Some people don't have ADHD
3. It can be deep and strategic

>>377462118

Yes