Smash 5 thread

>make the gameplay fast and fluid like Melee without all of the overcomplicated shit
There. Best Smash. Appeals to both worlds. I'll be here all week, Sakurai

>>377428974
so Smash4?

>>377429047
>so Smash4?
Fuck no.
It's better than Brawl, but come on now. Sm4sh is stiff as fuck and all the "combos" aren't natural at all.
Play Melee or Project M and then go back to Sm4sh and you'll feel it.

>>377429047
Smash 4 isn't fast at all

>>377428178
Add Twintelle

>>377429047
>sm4sh
>fluid

>>377429425
you're over exaggerating.

>>377428178
>Snake returning
>ever

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>>377429447
nigga you're gonna get spring man and you're gonna like it

just like how we got characters like robin and lucas over tharja and kumatora

>>377428178
Baby Fighting game for baby man child. KYS

>>377429337
>project m

Brawlfags get out and learn melee.

>>377429569
He's really not.

Seriously. Go play Melee or P:M, and then play Smash 4 afterwards. The games are night and day. Smash 4 is a slow, floaty mess.

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>>377428178

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>>377428178

>>377430375
>ridley

kek

>>377429337
>Sm4sh is stiff as fuck and all the "combos" aren't natural
>Play Melee or Project M and then go back to Sm4sh and you'll feel it
>Project M
I can understand Melee, but Project M is the most stiff out of all of them, and un-natural. I've played the game for a year non stop, and it feels like I have to fight the game to do it's job. Either inputs don't come out, or something different from what I wanted, even the movement feels like the game is fighting with you.
>He's really not.
He is, I've played PM and Sm4sh, the game isn't as fast as PM or Melee, but it's not "slow" by any means.

>>377430375
There is a lot wrong here.

>>377428178
As long as they only bring back Ryu, assuming they bring back any of the DLC characters, I'd be happy.

>>377430790
Subjective wishes can't be wrong, anon

>>377430445
and less jank
smash 4 has so much jank
characters like ness and corrin are all jank

>>377432508
what do you mean by "jank"?

>>377429734
Name me a good mature fighting game

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>>377432687

>>377432604
I'm from Michigan idk bout anon that but here jank means broken or just bullshit.

Ness isn't really that jank but he's right about Corrin

I honestly don't see how sm4sh got as competitive as it did

>>377428178
Why do people keep assuming that there's going to be a Smash 4 port? That game was boring as hell and it's dumb to play casually with the bad stage and item pool.

>>377428178
NO SNAKE
NO BUY

>>377433343
nigga, i was talking about an actual smash 5. hence why i said "discuss a game that's like five or so years off" in the op

>>377433185
basically this
a sheik lost an important set the other day because their recover got clipped by some weird hitbox and they couldn't recover as high as normal

>>377428178
>Revamp Ganondorf
No, his moveset is great. Just give him better frame data, that's all he needs.

>inb4 Falcon clone
Moves are visually similar but that's it, the characters play very, very differently and all their moves have completely different frame data, hit boxes, knockback, etc.

>>377430375
>Not including Ice Climbers.

>>377429521
>>377429425
>>377429337
>>377429047
>Smooth lander badge
>Lateral air movement badge
>Low jump badge (some are better off without this however, like Bayonetta)

There, everyone is faster, everyone has significantly less landing lag, everyone can actually move like they don't have cement in their shoes and approach without having to rely on wavedashing.

Too bad the community is so up its own ass, the game gives you the tools to fix it yourself but no one bothers.

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>>377430375
How Snake and Pokemon trainer look in that picture reminds of this

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>>377428178
>Snake
No way he's coming back now that Kojima is done with Konami
Besides they need his moveset for Sami.

My other wishlist characters are Belmont (At least 4 of them, Bowser Jr. style) and Bomberman

>>377434096
Damn, saved the thumbnail. That blows

>>377428974
>more "fun" items that aren't collectathon instakills
>stages that don't have a million hazards on them

>>377434161
I never liked the idea of taking a cut character's moveset and just throwing it on to some unrelated new character. It's just asking for another Captain Ganondorf fiasco.

I mean as an Wars fag, wouldn't you prefer to get a character that has a completely new moveset from the ground up rather than just some lazy clone moveset? Snake's moveset was designed for Snake and Snake alone, and he really isn't the only unique newcomer lost to the ages. Squirlte and Ivysaur are gone forever too and we don't need their movesets awkwardly shoohorned in to some other characters. If you can't bring a character back, then don't bring him/her back. That's it.

>>377434540
>It's just asking for another Captain Ganondorf fiasco.
>>377433731
Anyone who still bitches about "clones" should really learn how the game actually works.

>>377428178
>he wants thos shit characters from those shit games

No Squid shit

No spring shit.

No real gamers are interested in those games.

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>>377434878
nice meme

>>377434540
Snake's moveset was how Samurai figured out how to have a soldier character without having him just shoot guns, which he frowns upon (of course Bayo is there now so who knows)
I can apreciate the novelty of Snake in Smash and had a lot of fun with him but I've always though I'd be amazing if that was a AW representative instead of a guest character who barely had good games available in Nintendo systems (yeah I'm THAT kind of autist)
And I honestly can't really think of a moveset that would fit an AW character better (partly why I want Sami, of the original playable characters she is the most infantry design-wise so she'd fit the game better than Andy or Max with their mech focus)
Like, if you told me Arthur from Ghosts N Ghouls was gonna be playable as basically a retooled Link I'd be fairly satisfied. Maybe I just tend to settle for little.

for snake in a possible smash deluxe, he could be MGS3 era big boss, with some different move, since the last mgs game on a nintendo console was mgs3D.

>>377428178
Add AW Sami, Ever Oasis-trio, more NES-classics, BoxBoy and Banjo to Add, also add Dedede to Revamp. Basically all I need.

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Give me Ashley or give me death!!!!!!!

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>>377428178

>revamp Samus

She just needs tweaks here and there, not a revamp.

Only now are more players are finally starting to use Samus in tourneys for whatever reason.

>>377437265
I can't wait for the day a second Warioware rep is announced and it turns out to be Mona

>>377434878
I have never played Splatoon but will play exclusively as an inkling if they're added solely because I want to fuck one.

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>>377437265
Nightgown alt when?

>>377428178
Why not simon belmont? Think of all those special moves

>>377429626
>people actually expected Tharja and Kumatora
Why are waifufags so damn retarded?

>>377437545
Hnnggggg

>>377437363
I just think she still feels kinda off in comparison to what she feels like in Metroid. Bunch of random kicks and physical attacks instead of firing lots of crazy projectiles.

Compare her current moveset to Mega Man's, and it's basically like night and day. Makes me wish Samus wasn't introduced into Smash Bros. until Brawl or Smash 4.

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>>377430375
>Ribbon Girl over Spring Man
>literally who jet skier
>spinoff Zelda anything
>Ridley
It feels like 2013 again.

>>377434441
Also, instead of making a stage that switches between three different stages, just make them three separate stages. The Fire Emblem siege level would have been so much better if they just went that way about it.

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>>377437265
>>377437545
Nigga, even Mona or Jimmy are more important to the WarioWare series.

>>377438020
Or if the levels were separated by breakable flooring. Like hitting the ground too hard causes the whole stage to crumble and you end up in a new one.

Though stages like Delfino Plaza, Mii Resort, and Mute City should remain as they do since changing battlefields is what makes them different.

>>377428178
The only way I'm buying a switch is if Travis Touchdown from No More Heros, or Nightmare from Soul Calibur gets in. Maybe Snake/punished Snake (they could do it because of Metal Gear for NES).

But yeah, I'm not buying a switch. Nintendo is retarded if tey thin that doing what the rest of the competition is doing will make me buy one. The only reason I bought a wiiu was because online was free (which no one was doing at the time because they're Jews), and because Smash. The system costs 300, so that's not very "affordable", and paid online which Nintendo doesn't have a good track record with already.

Why, why would I buy a switch? I bet all those 3rd parties they showed are just going to be ports again.

>no one else even wants Skull Kid anymore

There was a brief glimmer of hope when the MM rerelease came out, but I guess it was always an impossible dream.

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>>377428178
>Revamp.

Everyone, pretty much. You know it's true. The new characters like Bayonetta, Ryu, Cloud, Little Mac, Robin and pretty much everyone new shows a great deal more inventiveness in their moveset and overall design, which makes the oldies look boring by comparison.

>>377432687
Guilty Gear.

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>>377428178

Add:
>Inklings
>Spring Man
>Toad (not Capt.)
>Bomberman
>Ice Climbers

Revamp:
Dunno. I don't give two fucks about competitive Smash.

>>377438492
>Little Mac
God I want him to be actually good.

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>>377438492
But how would you revamp Mario?

I mean, he represents his series perfectly as he does, and he's such a classic that you couldn't possibly make it any better?

How would a revamped, more true to games Mario and Luigi even work? What's the essence of their games and gameplay?

>>377433731
I'd just like a style change. It would be crazy to see a Gannon slam choke someone, and then whip out a sword and skewer someone.

>>377434067
we don't want to fiddle around for gameplay improvements, we want it default. why would we configure the options to make the game fun?

>>377438690
The only thing I could imagine for Mario is getting rid of FLUDD and adding in the hat mechanic from the new game coming out.

>>377433731
Fuck that, I don't want to play as this shitty old man Ganondorf, regardless of Frame Data bullshit.

His moveset, his frame data, his entire design has been dirt from the very beginning and he deserves better for being the second most popular Nintendo villain available.

I'm still waiting for a Fist Wizard kind of gameplay, the kind in which he empowers his fists with a sphere of electricity, crushes the ground and sends shockwaves, and even throws his trident somewhere down there.

I'm thinking Darkseid, or Thanos kind of feeling, not "the fat man who punches."

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Reminder that pic related was the only indie character to get into Smash Bros in some way shape or form.

I'm already content with the roster as long as we don't lose Bayonetta, Megaman or Mewtwo again. But Commander Video would make me very happy.

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>>377438936
>>377438690

I guess you could add abilities from Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi, but I feel that those games have enough unique content and crazy shit to just be separate characters imo

>>377428974
>>377429047
Imma tell you I'm not even a tournament player, but even I hate Smash 4. I won't even play the game, even though it has my boy Ryu in it. Here's what I want changed.
>Lower recovery on air moves significantly
The fun of Smash is about flying around on the edge of your seat and fucking shit up. If I can't attack safely from the air, it's no longer as dynamic. Neutral game in Smash 4 isn't fun at all, and not being able to attack from the air well as most of the roster is one reason. Make it so every air move feels like it was L-Canceled.
>Faster
Smash 4 STILL FEELS TOO FUCKIN SLOW. Why the fuck does it feel like the entire game is under water. Fuck that noise.
>Nerf dodge rolls
Why is this a legitimate defensive strategy now. This makes the game way too defensive. Fuck that shit.
>Get rid of Jab Lock combos
They feel weird, and aren't fun to use. They go against the free-wheeling feel that Smash Bros should have, and ends up feeling canned.
>More knockback on kill moves, earlier
Smash 4 characters can recover for like fucking forever. Some characters (Pac-Man) have to deal with this, and wait until the opponent hits 120% to get a reliable kill move, while others can get kills as low as 60% (Ryu). There is no reason that Ryu should be getting kills twice as early as Pac-Man, as they're both around the same speed and damage, and you could argue Pac-Man has worse range and aerials. Same goes for guys like Diddy Kong getting up throw combos that kill at 40% against some characters. That's stupid. Make it so that AT WORST, everyone can kill with a smash attack at 80%, and an aerial at 100%, with no chance to recover.
>Bring back edgehogging
This is the worst change in Smash 4, bar none. This gay ass baby shit makes the game way less interesting when edgeguarding. On top of that, make it so people don't snap to ledges as fast.
>Bring back real spikes
I should be able to kill someone with Marth's down air at 1%. Period. No matter who they are.

>>377438690
>>377438492

I would just revamp everyone, start from scratch. Make everyone as unique as the newest characters regardless of "History" or "Deserving". A full-blown reboot, and make everyone different for the sake of different.

I mean, Smash 4 is already huge, and there haven't been many new franchises to add, so focus back on the Veterans and make them all feel new.

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horrible taste coming through
>louie/hocotate president (pikmin 2)
Slower, but more powerful version of Olimar. I didn't play pikmin 3 so I'm not sure if ALF would be a better choice or not.
>ice climbers come home
>Tapus/Guardian Deities from sun/moon
All 4 tapus with an alternate colour each. Tapu Koko would be the main one.(Works like koopalings)
>someone from arms and splatoon
Know nothing about either but Nintendo would probably want to push their new IPs if they're still relevant
>pushmo
never ever
>rhythm heaven mascot
Marshall is bland but Tibby's kind of shit so I'm not sure who would represent it.
>>377438605
>lockstep as side-a
pretty good

>>377429797
Stop being salty because you're too impatient to learn the matchups.

>>377428178
-Remove frame buffer or minimize it
-Add back options from melee for people would like to play the game at a higher level (wavedash, crouch cancelling, light shield etc)
-option to be able to turn sudden death mode off and have the winner of the match be player with most stocks and %
-Better stages, omega was a nice try but FD is not the only competitive stage also all stages should be the exact same to play on
Essentially Make it a true sequel to melee. Make it look nicer, have more stages and characters, develop the mechanics further. Smash4 felt like a good party game and a subpar competitive experience

>>377440072
>Wavedashing
Isn't that just exploiting a glitch?
I could understand everything else but why do melee fanboys cry that they can't abuse a glitch anymore?

>>377437363
she's really only decent on flat maps
anything else and she can get outplayed

>>377440445
I personally didn't like the idea of a glitch either but it's essentially a perfect mechanic
It's easy to perform but near impossible to master
it has millions of applications, makes movement more fluid and interesting, lets you act out of shield faster, makes combos more complex, etc
Has offensive and defensive uses
Out of all the mechanics of melee it's one of the best, despite not being intentionally added which is why it's difficult for me to imagine a new installment not having it while also being as complex as melee

make smash vkend

Doesn't seem like mk8d vkend is happening anyway

>>377441090
just do it here so we can avoid the discord fags

>>377440968
I understand your opinion.
Maybe if they can find a way to implement something similar without it looking unnatural. In my opinion, I don't care if the mechanic is amazing, I don't want to watch my character or the opponent's slide around without moving their feet.

>>377440968
>>377441359
Also they would have to make sure everyone can benefit from that mechanic. That glitch is way more useful for some characters.

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>>377428178
Chances of Waluigi making it in?

>>377441451
The best wavedash belongs to luigi - upper mid tier
Worst wavedash belongs to peach and shiek - High tier
Falco also has a okay wavedash despite being one of the best characters

So essentially what you said is completely untrue

>>377441618
Why haven't Nintendo made a Waluigi or a Daisy game yet? I doubt we would get either of them until then.

>>377441795
So what you're saying Melee is only balanced because of a random glitch? Got it.

>>377441618
Until he's actually put in a mainline Mario or Wario game, never.

>>377428178
Lets have add shovelknight and quote from cavestory too

>>377428178
Rather they remove all the girls. They poison the game with their faggotry.

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>>377437545
I want to commit a crime.

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>>377428178
I just want Simon Belmont so we can finally have Castlevania in smash.

>>377428974
I just want them to remove the jap lottery bullshit they had for unlocking custom move options and such.

>>377428178
Honestly, I think they could trim a few characters and the game would be better. Not sure they could handle the fan blowback though. Yeah, a couple characters are clones but 58 is still a lot.

Also nearly everyone having absurdly good recovery in smash 4 also bothers me. If you get knocked far enough off the stage you should die.

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>>377428178

>add Bomberman

I really, really hope so. Super Bomberman R is actually a great game and having it exclusively on Switch as a launch title can only be a good thing... right Nintenbros?

>>377428178
I just want Dixie Kong

Let me have my Diddy/Dixie tag dream team matches

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I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>377441618
he's too sexy for sakurai to put in smash

>>377428178
>Meleebabies have to ruin every single Smash thread with their insistent whining
Literally the most cancerous community in video games.

>>377442282
>indie shit
>in smash bros

pick one

https://discord.gg/aYnnyt

>>377437265

Wauluigi will get the second Wario slot before anyone else and he really fucking needs it because he seems to be the most hated character of the franchise and never gets to appear in anything anymore

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>yfw they're confirmed

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>>377428178
Sakurai isn't going to change Zelda all that much.

Instead, I'd rather have Toon Zelda instead.
>a faster moving Zelda
>better frame data than normal Zelda
>faster projectiles with Din's fie and Phantom
>more combo-oriented

>>377434067
Still no jump momentum.

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>>377447445
The way they stand is so awkward in terms of how you would get them to walk- I remember that one fake leak that was so obviously fake because they kept that same weird round feet. If only Tibby wasn't so awful he could have been a great rhythm heaven representative.
But honestly any rhythm heaven representation would be lovely

>>377447445
I'd rather prefer just Marshall

>>377430375
>Wonderful 101
>Eternal Darkness

I'd love to see that happen, but that's pretty much impossible.

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>>377448491
>Wonderful 101
fucking kek I forgot that game even existed

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>>377428178
dump the entire roster. Completely revamp every character.

Ok since we can have 2 characters per third party who should be the second rep for
>Konami
>Square
>Namco

>>377449506
Simon Belmont
Crono
Yoshimitsu

>>377428178
Where is my Travis Touchdown? Been waiting since BRAWL

I want another mii fighter

>>377450112
http://gonintendo.com/stories/274320-suda51-talks-ease-of-development-for-switch-using-travis-touchdo

>“In all seriousness, next time he does decide to go and make a Smash Bros. game, I’m seriously going to tell him, ‘Put in Travis Touchdown. Come on, put him in the game.’ So every time we talk about this, partially in the middle he listens, he starts to laugh, and that laugh trails off into, ‘ha ha…’. This time Sakurai-san, I’m not going to let you go. You’re not getting away.”

>>377450797
What if Suda directs Smash Bros. 5?
Imagine

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>>377450797
He can't keep getting away with this!

>>377450797
My favourite part olavout Suda51 is that people pretend that he's someone worth giving a shit about. All of his games have completely mediocre gameplay the the CUUUHRAAAZYness is just bland because every other japanese dev is also trying to be CUUHRAYZEE

>>377447445
together now!

>>377430375
As long as Sakurai is still around, Ridley can never be a playable character.

>>377428178

new

inklings
ribbon girl or spring man
king k rool
pokemon from gen 8
paper mario
balloon fighter
swordfighter from FE
midna

third

snake
bomberman
sora
heihachi mishima

>>377434878
>No squid shit.
>No spring shit.
>No real gamers are interested in those games.
I don't want them in Smash either, but I still know that you're deluded.

>>377434878
the squids are guaranteed to be in it.
Arms characters are a maybe if their game sells well.

Alright, /v/, Sakurai asks you five characters to add, the catch is they have to be:
>one Pokemon from gens 6 or 7
>one Fire Emblem character who doesn't use a sword
>one major Western third party character. No indieshit.
>one "retro Nintendo" character
>charcter of your choice, no restrictions

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>>377455940
>Arms characters are a maybe

Are you high? Spring Man is basically confirmed already for Smash V

>>377435430
Do japs give a fuck about ARMS?

>>377442064
He isn't saying that at all.
also
>melee
>balanced

>>377428178
I just want to say that Zelda is cancerous as fuck in 2v2 For Glory.

>>377449506
Alucard
Orlandu
Katamari Damacy Prince

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So what are her chances?

>>377458232
zero unless sakurai changes his mind about doing a kid icarus uprising sequel

e3 2017 believe

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>>377447623
>>377437848
>>377430375
>>377434665
>>377438769
>>377439052
tonight, i will remind them

>>377434665
>Anyone who still bitches about "clones" should really learn how the game actually works.
sounds like you don't

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>>377439298
god, Im thankful every day real game designers doesn't think like this kind of faggots.

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>>377429626
>just like how we got characters like robin and lucas over tharja and kumatora
>that one retarded fag who thinks having mas popularity will guarantee them a spot on the roster over a main cast character
did you came off from starman.net or serenesforest.net?

>>377434067
>for Sm4sh gameplay to be slightly decent, you have to grind for stupid badges in Smash Tour/Smash Run
what did sakurai mean by this

>>377459572
What? Robin and Lucas are main cast characters. Spring Man is obviously the face of ARMS in the same way Ryu is the face of Street Fighter. Having another random ARMS character like Min Min or Twintelle instead is like putting in Hakan or Juri in Marvel vs. Capcom instead of Ryu.

>>377459691
he meant that autists can go nuts with their ADD while normal people just enjoy the game.

>>377459847
Well to be fair it's very possible that we could get more then one ARMS character. The only first party nintendo franchises with only one fighter are ones that really only have a single character that could work in Smash.

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Lets face it, he's gonna be Spring Man's Falco.

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>>377459847
hold up hold up. i'm actually agreeing with you dude

people are THAT deluded for Kumatora when
>1. the remaining 3 in pic related hold better chances
>2. when Mother has zero chances for a third character since it's a concluded Nintendo series.

seriously. Jeff was a minor cast Mother character and got AT'd right ahead on. As much as Kuma is my 3rd favorite Mother 3 character, she's really no different among the rest of the sidekicks of Mother

>>377458232
99%. Sakurai has fucking hard-on for Kid Icarus as much as he has for Fire Emblem.

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>>377453296
not really a lost cause

once his game comes out, Sylux will be a real nice alternative for Metroid.

>>377460396
They've been building this guy up for literally 10 years. It's fucking ridiculous

>>377435430
>Zelda
>Mario Kart
>Splatoon
>Mario
Nintendo is really pushing for the Switch to succeed

>>377460462
i know right? it's stupid that they still done nothing much with him.

while i'm more anticipated for Metroid 5, i need to know why he got a beef with Samus and the feds?

Add:
K. Rool
Dixie
Wolf
Inkling
Ice Climbers

Revamp:
Ganondorf
Wario
The gameplay. I should be able to hit characters when I'm right near them.

>>377460462
I feel like of the problem is is that Kensuke Tanabe seemingly does want to a big AAA Metroid Prime game, but he just can't seem to get the right team and budget to do so.

Retro Studios moved on to Donkey Kong Country, and who knows what they're working on now. Apparently Tanabe stated that he doesn't even know what their new project is, which kinda implies it probably isn't Metroid Prime related, due to the fact that for better or worse, Tanabe's the big cheese of MP and nothing gets done with his say (similar to Sakamoto and the 2D/"mainline" Metroid games made in Japan)

http://nintendoeverything.com/tanabe-on-metroid-prime-ff-amiibo-backlash-timeline-story-retro-studios/

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>>377438605
>>377447445
I just want my Rhythm Heaven character just so we can get Smash remixes of RH songs
Don't care if it's Marshall, Karate Joe, hell I'd even take Tibby

>>377428178
>Keep all characters from Smash 64
>Keep a handful from each succeeding game
>Add in characters to promote upcoming games, as well as a few obscure ones as curveballs
>Story mode with a simple plot that doesn't take itself too seriously. This is for the boss battles, you see
>Put Fighting Polygon Team back in the game

Basically, thin out the roster and work on promoting characters/upcoming games

NO SUBSPACE EMISSARY
NO BUY

>>377461460
good, subspace was crap

just take Smash Run, tweak it to less shit, add online co-op, and call it a day

also, board the platforms

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>>377430375
>readding pokemon trainer when Charizard exists in the game

>>377462038
Ivy and Squirtle are so much better then Charizard

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>>377461460
I rather not have another Subspace Emissary again desu. It was pretty dull and boring esp. with the maze at the end. It accounted for 60% of Brawl's development too. Had it not been there, we could gotten more content, characters, and stages in Brawl.

>>377462419
>Had it not been there, we could gotten more content, characters, and stages in Brawl.

That's not how it works

>>377428178
>>377428178
I want Mewtwo back.

I don't care how shit he was in earlier games, I loved him.

>>377462528
Mewtwo is in Kerfuffle.

>>377462419
Project M's SSE is literally the best single player mode in all of Smash. It's like if Kirby and DMC had sex

>>377462474
Actually, it was confirmed that was the case. The mode caused the disk to get double-layered with all the cutscenes and FMV's.
>We could have gotten Tetra/Toon Zelda and Dixie as a standalone.

>>377450797
This makes me so happy.

>>377458724
>Not e3 2034/2035

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>>377462528
Nigger

>>377462627
>Actually, it was confirmed that was the case.

But it wasn't

>>377428178
>Snake

NEVER
EVER

Why do people still think K. Rool even has a chance of being playable in Smash? The last game he appeared in was Super Mario Sluggers nine years ago, and that was just a spinoff.

>>377462935
He's a classic villain from a beloved series with a large potential moveset. Though you're right, this is Sakurai we're talking about here.

>>377463116
>with a large potential moveset.

This has NEVER mattered

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>>377437265
>he's still at it
Pathetic.

>>377462528
holy fuck, how long have you have out of cast from the entire shitty hype?

Mewtwo was the first DLC for Smash 4

>>377463287
damn, maximum autism in there

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Assist trophy

>>377463957
She can assist my trophy anytime.

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what are the chances of an smt rep?

>>377462692
Yes, it was. Look it up yourself, Sakurai mentioned that most of the dev time went to the Subspace, and that they could have added more characters, stages, etc in its place.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080717200811/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=4964

He also mentioned that the cutscenes were going to be outsourced, but they had to do in-house, and Jigglypuff, Toon Link and Wolf were almost cut due to restraints.

>>377464238
zero

Demifiend or another notable SMT protagonist can easily join using the same process Cloud went through for Final Fantasy in Smash

>>377463164
>what is Corrin
>what is any newcomer that wasn't added at the last minute

>>377437363
Its because ESAM knocked out Ally with her at Civil War

>>377464485
senpai, you didn't have to search in the internet archive for your proof

the original article is up on sourcegaming as well.

>>377465243
The only link I could find was a dead one.

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Would it be retarded if Shulk could pick one of his Arts at the select screen, like how you could pick one of the PokeTrainers Pokemon to start with in Brawl?

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ever stop and think about how fucking weird Jigglypuff being in this game is. Like how absurd the concept of Rest is on paper?

If Smash 4 was the first Smash and people suggested Jigglypuff (and its current moveset) theyd be scoffed at and called retarded

if they can craft an appropriate moveset for Jigglypuff, think what other handful of semi-random pokemon would be great in a game like this. Like Octillery and his entire learnset of Beams and Blasts

>>377449506
Frogger
Gex
Klonoa

>>377462528
You're an idiot

>>377465548
nah

>>377465080
>what is Corrin

An advertisement. He would've been added no matter what.

>>377449913
>Yoshimitsu
Holy fuck, I just remembered a time when I was hoping he would be in Brawl because Link was in Soul Calibur 2 or some shit.

>>377464485
Exactly. Nowhere does it say that the SSE stopped more characters from being added.

Either way, Smash 4 proves that better gamemodes > a bigger roster

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>>377466115
>He would've been added no matter what.
didn't sounds like it

if Sakurai wanted to choose a DLC character from a soon-to-be-release game, he'd also choose Elma from Xenoblade X

but his dev team were really pushing it to pick Fates for that sweet Corrin booty in Smash.

>>377465080
you can be the most potentially unique candidate for Smash and a main character for a game yet you still easily end up in the shitter parts of the game.

if your priorities are damn low, you ain't joining this game for a while.

unless DKC6 had K. Rool as the main antagonist again, he's get the same card Corrin and other newcomers did in Smash

see >>377466336 >>377466115

>>377438936
Yes, get rid of most of Mario's punches and kicks, and just give him a huge range of abilities from all of the different games he's been in. Luigi can keep the vanilla moveset for all I care, that was people who still want to play like that have it available to them.

>>377466254
>Question: In “Subspace Emissary, why weren’t Wolf or Jigglypuff involved with the story?

>Sakurai: Toon Link is also included in this, but these three characters were really on the brink of being cut. The characters that are strongly involved in the main plot had to be characters that were confirmed to be in the game from a fairly early stage. But this time, there were characters that were confirmed midway during development, and characters that weren’t. If we had a bit more time, it might have been 4-5 characters, and if we had less time, it might have been zero.

http://sourcegaming.info/2015/08/17/sakuraibrawlquestions/

Also
>Better gamemodes
Smash Tour. And before you start, SSE was shit, too.

>>377467612
It's pretty sad that Jiggs is seen as a low priority character, despite being one of the original 12.

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>>377466254
>>377467612
BTFO

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They wouldn't drop my boy would they?

I don't want to see a smash game without both mom boys.

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>>377467612
>If we had a bit more time, it might have been 4-5 characters, and if we had less time, it might have been zero.
THE DREAM COULD'VE BEEN REAL

REEEEEEEE

>>377467612
>But this time, there were characters that were confirmed midway during development, and characters that weren’t. If we had a bit more time, it might have been 4-5 characters, and if we had less time, it might have been zero.

See? The characters wouldn't have gotten in anyways.

>Smash Tour. And before you start, SSE was shit, too.

But Project M proves that it wasn't

>>377467878
>>377467612
nice samefag

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For Smash 5.

I also want:

>Travis Touchdown
>Wonder Red
>Ridley
>Ryu Hayabusa

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>>377468330
who are you quoting?

>>377468465
9000 hours in ms paint

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>>377468246
The point is that there were characters that would have been added in the time they used for SSE. And no disrespect to Project M, but we're talking about the official product. Of course mods improve on games.

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can i join

>>377468553
if it makes you feel better these were my two post s>>377468038
>>377467878

unless your plan to circlejerk about muh samefag, take it up with the dude arguing about SSE, not me

>>377468246
>But Project M proves that it wasn't
are you really arguing with a fucking mods by industry dudes who had a shitload of hobby time in their hands and special resources by the guy who made BrawlBox?

>>377468581
>The point is that there were characters that would have been added in the time they used for SSE

But that's not what they said.

>And no disrespect to Project M, but we're talking about the official product. Of course mods improve on games.

MY point is that the SSE's only flaw was the same one as the rest of the game: The actual gameplay is shit. The SSE is fantastic when the actual gameplay is good and thus is worth bringing back

>>377468375

>Dante
>In Smash

Literally never been on a Nintendo platform in any way shape or form. Would be cool though.

>>377468375
>Dante joins Smash
>style-switching becomes a new mechanic for Smash Bros 5
finally a way to shut up dorffags

>>377468994
Project X Zone, but that isn't nearly enough to earn him a spot in Smash

>>377430710
You're crazy and are just looking for excuses. PM feels hardly any different from melee.

>>377468994
>>377469113
>Literally never been on a Nintendo platform in any way shape or form.
he's been in PxZ twice, but for Sakurai's case, having a Nintendo appearance to be consider for Smash is just a courtesy.

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>>377468965
You are dense. They had to delay the game due to Sonic's inclusion and they literally mentioned that characters were cut due to the restraints of SSE's development time. You can admit to being wrong, it's only an internet debate, no one will see you.

>>377468994
>Literally never been on a Nintendo platform in any way shape or form.
Like Sakurai gives a shit.
>>377469016
>finally a way to shut up dorffags
How the fuck would Style-switching shut up Dorffags?

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>>377468621
sure

but how do you like your trophy? as an assist or a simple display?

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>>377469604
>How the fuck would Style-switching shut up Dorffags?
boi, you have a lot to learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szggXY8k99I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVCrxifzGw

>>377439298
You don't know shit about smash. Air moves are generally safe across the board. So much so that most characters pretty much play neutral by spamming their aerials. Pac-Man kills later than Ryu because he is a zoning character while Ryu has to approach with his poor movement speed. Diddy Kong also can't kill at 40% unless he gets an edge guard. Plus spikes exist. In fact they are better because meteor cancels not longer exist.

>>377469471
>literally mentioned that characters were cut due to the restraints of SSE's development time.

But they didn't. They just said time constraints. No reason to think that the SSE's development hindered the actual character development at all.

Also, the game is better for it. Smash 4 has a big roster, but there's nothing to fucking do with those characters because there are no extra gamemodes

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>>377465793
I mean, she is just a joke character, she just doesn't seem like it anymore because she's been in the game since the beginning.
>out of all of the cool Pokemon to choose from, a generic Normal (and later Fairy type) was chosen over legendaries and other fully evolved creatures
>only reason she's in the games is because she was kind of popular in Japan in the 90s and only the 90s and she's a legacy character
>all of her specials are shit, one of the few characters to have no real Up-B recovery
>except for her Down-B, which turns a harmless healing move in the Pokemon games into an instakill move in Smash
>piss poor defenses, shield breaks kill her
>slow as fuck ground speed and smash attacks
>yet has incredible aerial game and is the fastest character in the area
She's just a fucking mess of a character, and it's great, because that's exactly what she's supposed to be. Although a lot of the things that made her fun and silly to play have been butchered in more recent games.

>>377469775
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

But let's be real anyway, the only way for Dorffags to shut up is if Sakurai overhauled the character almost completely.

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>>377430710
> Either inputs don't come out, or something different from what I wanted, even the movement feels like the game is fighting with you.
That means you're pressing the wrong buttons LOL

>>377469604
>How the fuck would Style-switching shut up Dorffags?
i think he mean that if Ganondorf's moveset were Switchable to different styles based on how he fought in different games

think of it like this
>Power moveset: Ganondorf fights with his raw fists
>Wisdom moveset: Ganondorf engages his warlock powers
>Courage moveset: Ganondorf fights with his sword(s)
i think its a lot of work to pull off in an official game, but that what it is

>>377470175
I don't even need style changing or something like that. I would just like the 2nd biggest nintendo villian to get a moveset not based off of Captain Falcon's.

Doesn't that just seem weird to anyone else? Why did Ganondorf of all people get made into a semi clone?

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>>377437363
I like Sm4sh and I've started using Samus recently.

>>377470818

because his OoT physical build matched Captain Falcon's at the time

also, OoT was the only game Ganondorf was in at the release of Melee

>>377470818
No because Ganondrof has never been consistent between the Zelda games. Him being a muscle wizard is close enough to being in character for a character that gets reincarnated every version. Plus he's fun.

>>377470818
>Why did Ganondorf of all people get made into a semi clone
because there was a "Smash 2 poll" and plenty of notable nintendo villains at the time were high up

Ganon was among with Bowser and Ganondorf was somewhere in the Top 10 (i think)

since Melee development time was running out, Sakurai could only make time for Ganondorf so he ran to Aonuma and Miyamoto if he could use the Ganondorf model from the Zelda GCN tech demo because it had the similar structure as Falcon so he can make a easy clone based on how power Ganondorf was in OoT.

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i remember Frank West in MvC having a Dead Rising-style Leveling system where he landed certain moves and thus gained access to new ones and/or empowered his specials

could Smash pull that off

>>377471281
can i see the SSB2 poll you were talking about?

just curious

>>377438929
>being lazy

>>377471310
Yeah, why wouldn't it be able to do that? I don't exactly agree that it's a good system as a level one move could be infinitely better than the upgraded version.

>>377471115
>>377471281
That make's sense I guess. And then the reason he doesn't receive any significant moveset changes is because of Sakurai's deal with his dad right?

>>377471201
Ganon's used a sword/dual wielded a lot. In OoT he dual wields greatswords in ganon form. He used a sword in TP in the final phase, he dual wields in both Wind Waker and Hyrule Warriors as well.

I'd just love to see him dual wield greatswords in a smash game I guess. Especially since Hyrule Warriors released a little before Smash 4.

>>377471768
>And then the reason he doesn't receive any significant moveset changes is because of Sakurai's deal with his dad right?

that was a ruse

veterans aren't getting changed because Sakurai "doesnt want to upset their fans" but in all honestly he doesnt want to put in the resources to reinvent old content and just wants to push forward with new projects and ideas. Dont expect major mechanical additions/overhauls in this series if hes at the helm

>>377471768
>And then the reason he doesn't receive any significant moveset changes is because of Sakurai's deal with his dad right?
that was a fake famitsu article generated by leakfags from /v/ and was the only source

its mostly likely the fact its been 2-3 games since its debut and wasn't appearing much since Skyward Sword, so his priorities for a moveset tweak was damn low for Smash

normally, clone veterans don't get any major changes in newer games they reappear in but Pit's moveset was changed for Sm4sh, so it doesn't kill any hopes for Ganondorf to get his in the next game

>>377471928
it's just a crying shame that characters like zelda are permanently stuck with their flawed movesets forever

>>377472120
shit, wrong sourcegaming link. Here its is:
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/03/23/if-there-were-a-smash-2-poll/
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult3.html

>>377472109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByTfaJyjHPU

check this shit out, Smash-style game you may have heard of

iirc this is the creators answer to the question "what if Smash's Zelda was actually good"?

some little retooling here and there and she could be a great space control monstrosity

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>>377471464
i have it

the other anon has the original source however >>377472243

>>377471464
>>377472243

>>377428178
remove clones

REMOVE CLONES

FUCKING R E M O V E C L O N E S AND I WILL BUY YOUR GODDAMN GAME SAMURAI

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I'd throw money at Nintendo immediately.

>>377472647
No one actually ever liked Gex

>>377472502
>I
no one gives a shit about your money

>>377472352
i hear one of the fighters in this game was based on another character from that Super Smash Land fangame Dan Fornace made.

Vaporeon, i think

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>>377428178
Every thread.

>>377473605
not in your lifetime

http://sourcegaming.info/2015/03/22/mewtwo-dlc-takamaru-and-sakurais-nico-nico-appearance/

>>377428178

>Revamp two of the Original 12

kys

>>377444978
the K Rool blow out was fucking biblical.
30 pages of straight salt in those smashboards thread I swear to god. Greatest vidya schadenfreude I may have ever witnessed.

>>377473605
dumb ningen

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>>377474053
>30 pages of straight salt in those smashboards thread I swear to god. Greatest vidya schadenfreude I may have ever witnessed.
and speaking of Smashboards salttism

>>377473605
>>>/a/157424509

>>377434067
>without having to rely on wavedashing.

Why is wavedashing bad?

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Squid Sisters assist trophy and Inkopolis Arena. These two are certain.

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How much salt did Bayonetta cause?

>>377472378
Most of those marking are wrong

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>>377428178
Who currently has this guy's rights anyway?

>>377472818
>'Nintendo doesn't care about money!'
Oh, my sweet summer child

>>377474791
be specific

>>377474743
kuckkrool and bigley's tears/10

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>>377433731
>This entire post

>>377473605
I'd rather have a JoJo character desu.

>>377474848
no, it's basically like saying "i am not buying Smash if they don't add shitley in the roster"

you're in the minority. the tiny speck right by the mountain stacks of cash that was made by the 3DS version and the DLC

>>377434665
Why are smashfags the only people retarded enough to defend such shitty clones?

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Elma for Smash!

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>>377474743

>>377474863
It's not most of them as I originally though, but there's still a few errors.
>James Bond should be black
>Banjo Kazooie should be black
>Toad should be only orange
>Satoshi should be pink

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>>377474743
just enough

>>377474812

He and other Interplay IPs like Clayfighter and MDK are currently for sale but only packaged together.

It'll probably be one of the AAA companies. Those IPs are way too western-based for Nintendo to buy.

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He's much more likely than Shantae and Shovel Knight at least.

Question is how he's not gonna feel like a dull Bowser or Charizard rehash.

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>>377475538
>all those indie retards that got BTFO

>>377471310
I wanted Black Mage as a FF rep with exactly that sort of gimmick. I'm surprised Sakurai hasn't done that yet, honestly.

>>377475073
I guess every """"""""""individual"""""""""" should stop spending money on Nintendo's Games and just Pirate them

Nintendo CERTAINLY doesn't need that Anon's money, they get all their revenue from the Easter Bunny

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>>377468375
>Travis Touchdown
Yes please

>>377475774
A meter that lets him Digivolve to Greymon, like in Rumble Arena

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I still believe

Even if he never gets in smash, at least HAL will put him in the spotlight sooner or later

>>377476195
He's gonna get into Kirby Smash this year at least

>>377474743
Last few tourneys I've watched have really made me sick of her.
She isn't even fun to watch lose.

>>377474743
I would love a poster of this.

>>377438020
>>377434441
Why not settle for an in-between option? Let us have OPTIONS.
>Toggle stage hazards, remove walk offs, bosses etc
>Set things like how fast stages transform, exclude certain hazards or transformations

The upside to this is you can do shit like "max speed Icicle Mountain" or "constantly transforming stage" while also doing stuff that's less ridiculous.

>>377475996
But how would he play?

>>377475993
that logic is really bad. like really bad. and you should feel ashame of your self.

do you also think fanbase protesters begging for a poor-selling series to get a sequel and weebs whining about "muh censorship" really counts as """""everyone"""""

really, the next day another idiot complain about Dan Hibiki not playable in Smash 4, Nintendo will brush it away with the same 10 million people buying the game not giving a shit like always.

>>377475281
James Bond should be black for the character since Sakurai outright said he's never happening for more grown up reasons
Banjo, honestly i'm waiting for a statement of Sakurai before i check him black or green. He's still pending for further case, leave the rest of the arguing to the people who want him in.
same for Toad, still no official statement if he's never happening.
also Satoshi/Ash is in the same criteria as any character that didn't originate from video games. as you can already see, he's also listed as (Hero) as if that listing meant a protagonist from a mainline game.

also, PMKN Trainer/Red pretty much demolished his chances along with him ever comeback

>>377466336
>a fun character
You fucking liar. Giant stun projectile that's also a smash attack, a move that alone has more mobility than half the entire fucking cast have in their whole moveset and a counter that's better than even Shulk's ridiculous counter because it kills vertically.

Christ, and then you compare them or Ryu to some of the shitters in the game.

>>377476672
What you say is true, but it is undeniable that Smash's roster is rather flawed and rushed beyond belief.

And all of this anime swordsmen, clone-infested, unnecessarily inflated roster shit causes Nintendo to lose some potential money from people who have high standards for multiplayer/fighting games

I acknowledge that Nintendo isn't gonna go broke due to a few lost customers, but It's still saddening to know that they could do better, but they don't.

>>377476052

Would Sakurai even allow such a gimmick? I mean Zelda and Shiek were separated.

>>377477372

You don't know anything about fighting games. Most of them have clones in it. Get over it. Dark Pit didn't take a 'spot' away from K Rool, Ridley or anyone.

>>377477461
Transformations were only removed because 3DS had shit processing and who would wanna deal with waiting 12 seconds to switch to another Pokemon?

since the Switch should be far beyond WiiU, maybe it could make a real return thus Agumon having his Rumble Arena mechanic.

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>>377477550
I literally agreed with you and you still attack me and put words in my mouth lol

only 4chan

>>377477713

Don't tell me how to live my life.

>>377477713
that wasn't me

and i do agree they should height their standards, but that's not happening anytime thanks to stuff like priorities and time constraints being in the way.

>Sakurai: "I want 10 years with Smash 4"
>Iwata: "No you get 5"
>Sakura: "Awwww...."

>>377477871

Don't lie to him dicksucker, it was you. I am you. Multiple personality having Jew.

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Do you count as a swordsman if the swords are attached to your arms?

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>>377477913

>>377478006

>calling yourself a retard

>>377477913
This shit is exactly why you need to use a trip when shitposting

>>377478175

Stop samefagging the thread, you crazy fuck.

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Regarding that "Revamp" topic, what veteran would you revamp and how?

Can be as simple as replacing a Special move (ie, Mario's FLUDD into something else)

>>377428178
samus needs
> Shinespark for charging horizontally into enemies, not just vertical
>Morphball with Boost maybe even spider and Power Bomb and short mobility
>ability to change beams
>Wave Beam to shoot through obstacles
> Ice Beam to freeze enemies for a short while
>Plasma Beam for extra damage and breaks block quicker

>>377439298
Happy your input doesn't contribute to the actual game, jesus christ.

And spikes are real, but it's pretty bullshit to bring back melee marth, what the fuck anon.

>>377478642

if nothing else, give her a normal roll and make give her the morph ball as her crawl animation

>>377428178

>Samus

What exactly is there to revamp? The character works well and became quite decent after buffs. The only things that remain to make her good is fix her broken jab and tweak the missile endlag and super missile speed/kill power to mke the worth using.

Unless you are complaining about muh beam switch.

>Zelda

Get rid of freefall after aerial side B and make the phantom storeable.

>Palutena

Give her the good custom specials for her base moveset.

>Jiggs

Some more reach and that'd be it. True combos into rest are cancer.

>Ganondorf

Give him Palutena's jumpglide so PMfags can get their float.

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>>377428178

>Bomberman

Literally can't fill a complete moveset. It would be Sonic all over again.

Should Falco be buffed?

what character do I pick to beat cloud in smash4

this is the only thing I care about at the moment

>>377479362

More airspeed

Quicker Dair with less landing lag

Faster travel speed for the laser

>>377479460
Bayonetta
Diddy Kong

>>377479362
he needs to be more aerial based if he prefers the d-air alot.

>>377479928
>2 waifu bait toons
no thanks, I'll just lose to Cloud.

>>377480497
Diddy really does make to be a real good wife

>>377479928
which one is harder to play?

>>377480727
Bayo

>>377464238

Wouldn't JF be kinda dull, seeing he'd just be a boring version of the Ice Climbers?

Not to mention there's probably better choices to represent Megaten, but Atlus is probably going to push for Nintendo to use him.

>>377447623
>toon shitter
why can't we just get an actual zelda newcomer?

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>>377472782
Correct, I love the bastard

>>377478640
I'd probably change a bunch of animations just to broaden some characters a bit. Maybe change one or two moves.

>Ike's Smash attacks now use Urvan, his dad's axe but are otherwise the same. Counter replaced with neutral B, new Neutral B is Ragnell sword beam.
>Mario's f-air is now a overhead hammer swing (same hitboxes, damage etc but acts as an allusion to the Mario RPGs/Donkey Kong)
>Luigi's f-smash and f-air now have electrical properties a la M&L's Thunderhand
That sort of thing.

>>377481386
see >>377459028

>>377429337

>Stiff

Melee is the one that feels really stiff. Going back and playing it, the controls feels so unresponsive because it requires so much precision, you can't buffer your attacks or you can only do it a little bit.

Add Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, and reps from Splatoon, ARMS, Wonderful 101. Bring back Wolf, Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur. Rework Little Mac and Palutena. Cut Dark Pit and Lucina.

>>377480792
any notable sets of Zero shitting on cloud I should watch?

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Bring 'em

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>>377477543

>>377476646
Fast sword srikes on ground and slow wide sword arcs in the air
Maybe a wrestling move grab

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>>377428178
As long as the puff gets buffed, I'm fine with this.