WoW - Legion

>>377425025
I still don't have a legendary

>>377425025
Why do u hate fun?

>>377425701
Why do u think easy epics = fun?

>>377425785
Kiddies can't have to too hard nowadays or else they will just look for something else to spend their mother's credit card on.

>>377425025

A group of 10 competent people could carry 30 braindead retards through MC/Onyxia for free epics.

Legendary weapons were RNG and a popularity/DKP hoarding contest

Legion is meh, but implying epics/legendaries took skill at any point in WoW is pretty hilarious.

>>377425785
Why do you think hard epics = fun?

>>377425025
>WoW still doesn't have player housing with npc wives and race-mixing.

>>377426543
>tfw no Panda wife

>>377426296
Was Naxx gear more impressive at the end of vanilla or at the beginning of WoTLK? Why?

>>377425025
Cause legendaries are BADASS

>>377425025
>people STILL play this ancient casualized game

>previously it took super long to get epics
>you had to be hardcore/skilled
>only the guys with really big billy even got near a legendary weapon

None of this was ever true, though

When epics were the most rare, the skill required to be a prestigious raider was non-existent, you only had to put in time. Legendary items were just RNG. Personal skill didn't become a requirement until mid-Wrath when Ulduar started experimenting with hardmode encounters, and we were well into the welfare epics by then

>>377426703
Why do you think that you should be rewarded for spending hours and hours in front of a computer screen?

Your way of thinking is why everyone thinks of WoW players as fat ugly virgins

>>377425025
>It took super long to get epics.
Because you were competing with up to ten other people for category specific ones.
>You had to be hardcore/skilled
You have no idea how many profoundly retarded people I saw in BLW and BT. Hardcore? Yes, you had to not have a night life. Wednesday night you'd be on for six hours straight. Some guilds ran raids every night. There's a reason you'd see people burn out and quit WoW. There was nothing skillful about it. Rotation and memorization. As a human being repetitive tasks are inherently understandable.
>Only some guys got near legendary.
You don't understand Legendaries. They were the crux of rng and any guild that got lucky enough for the stars to align could get their MT thunderfury (because nobody else was allowed near it) with ease. You could be running MC for months without any of halves dropping. I saw only one half drop ONCE.

Do you suck the dick of guys who win a jackpot?

>Legion
Defending Legion for just a bit, every single fight in its dungeons are more complex and engaging than the vast majority of Vanilla WoW's fights. They are simply tuned to be snooze-fests on anything but heroic.

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>>377426296
Accomplishments are fun anon. It's not an accomplishment if you put no effort to get something.

>>377425025
just use some colourblind mode and you won't notice a difference

>>377426931
>stating opinions and rewrites of history as fact makes them true
Individual responsibilty during a raid was a thing since MC and only improved from there.

>>377427196
>YES I FINALLY GOT MY EPIC AFTER SPENDING A WEEK IN GAME!
no thanks

>>377427356
Sorry we disagree then.

>>377425025
I only have 2 legendaries. I'm Ilvl 875 and I've only done LFR, so that's enough to tell you about the state of the game.

>>377425701
>>377426296
>>377427076
>>377427356
The cancer killing MMOs the genre is dead because it caters to casual cunts like this

>>377425025
>legion = every casual braindamaged kek has 3 legendaries
>0 skill and time required

Does lying on the internet make you feel better?

>enjoying legion

>can't find a guild to raid with

It hurts rejoining mid tier

>>377427498
>so that's enough to tell you about the state of the game.

That you're up to 50ilvls lower than a mythic raider and think 875 is good? Yeah. That it apparently has brain daamged players like yourself

875 isn't even in the same plane of existence as proper raiding gear.

>>377427534

And games that don't suffer or die because these casual cunts don't want to ever git gud.

>>377427498
>have 2 items from the RNG leggo syste,
>I have a shitty item level

wew lad

>>377427076
>Why do you think that you should be rewarded for spending hours and hours in front of a computer screen?
Why shouldn't you be? WoW is an inherently social game so why shouldn't players who spend more time playing it and working toward achievements have more than players who don't?

When I played during vanilla I was never an AQ-Naxx tier raider, but seeing that gear gave me something to look forward to. It stratified the serious players from the casuals, same with Rank 10-13 PvP gear (until it was put on a vendor).

>>377427076
wow you sound like real early 2000 with that 'fat ugly vigin' trope, shits been casual for so long. Its the only MMO the casual market knows widely.

Do you forget that that shit is still a subscription? Theres your answer to why you should be rewarded fucktard

subscription * time invested = gains

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>>377425025

>2017
>STILL playing WoW

>>377427817
>wow you sound like real early 2000 with that 'fat ugly vigin' trope

Get out and never come back.

>>377427534
>>377427651
>>377427785
>>377427817
>REEEEEEEEE YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND 500 HOURS MASSACRING YOUR POSTURE AND BACK SITTING IN FRONT OF A MONITOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN?? FUCKING CASUAL GET OUT OF MY FUCKING MMOS

no my friends, you are the cancer killing MMOs
you gear-loving casual fucks are the worst thing that has ever happened to videogames, they should reward skill, not time invested

>>377427356
Then don't play the fucking game if you don't like it. Don't come over and try to change it to suit you, like your ilk did.

>>377427076
How do people like this come to 4chan in the first place

Why are vanilla toddlers always so jealous of retail wow? I swear every wow thread has vanilla players moaning about how easy it is despite playing on vanilla.

>>377428079
Stop acting like a bitch; you never formulate an argument, just respond with mockery and shaming. Kill yourself, brainlet.

>>377428079
Go play fighting games or rts the closest thing mmos have ever got to being "skill based" is difficult raiding

>>377425025
My friend plays wow still and it's pathetic. He has hardly any life and the game is just bad. I did heroic EN at the start of the expansion and it was the most boring shit ever.
Let the losers burn their lives away in it. We don't have good mmos anymore

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>>377426620
>you'll never have a panda wife
>she'll never pamper you after a long raid with beer, food and a massage
>the massage will always end with a happy ending

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>>377428450
You see I'm pretty ok with the ideas of a thick wife but the fur thing is just keeping me away.

Legion was fun for a while but it got boring after I got my first legendary, mainly cause my guild sucked at raiding and my servers in general sucked at progression.

Plus it's just too much of a streamlined theme park MMO now and lacks the immersion it had up until the first content patches in Cata.

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>>377428431
Fake and gay.

You play wow still, you don't have any friends. Don't lie to me.

>>377428450
>>377426620
>tfw you'll never impregnate your panda wife with human-panda hybrids

>>377427076
Because we have a great society of capitalism and we can spend our money any way we want to? Fuck off

>>377428091
>>377428157
>>377428209
>>377428249
I'm sorry, but more time = best does not make for a good game

>>377425025
>every fucking MMO has gone from hard work to instant gratification because of the autistic millenials being old enough to shuck out money for games
>XIV is perfect show of this, offering literally nothing stimulating besides kawaii graphics and cargirls and reaping in that cash shop money from selling ingame assets
>People are honestly surprised that WoW picked up on how braindead the playerbase is and made every class almost impossible to fuck up
>WoW also keeps people playing with the EPIC .001% Legendary drop rates, necessitating constant play to possibly get the 2 that make your spec do it's full damage

Strap in kids, thanks to the weebs funding Stormblood, MMORPGs are only dying faster.

>>377428825
What about difficult raid encounters that force you to work together with other people? Instead of just grinding dailies for years

>>377427196
clearly you have not done mythic nighthold.

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>tfw I miss playing my warlock
>tfw Blizzard took away my warlock from me over ten years ago
GIVE HIM BAAAACCKK!!!!!

>>377427196
I want to BREED with Draenei chicks.

>>377428607
I know that feeling

I finished emerald nightmare on normal and got 4 bosses down in heroic and stopped due to normies not having time.

>>377428882
Calm down autismo your opinions aren't fact

>>377428787
>You will never rub her soft, warm, swollen belly filled with your healthy children.

>>377428079

>implying they didnt

yes, yes, just sitting in front of your screen for 10 hours would've got you AQ/Naxx gear.

keep dreaming you casual scum. The high tier Vanilla Raids where harder than any HC/whatever bullshit they pull now.

>>377425025
>previously it took super long to get epics
Yeah, if 'previously' means going all they way back to vanilla to you.

>>377427076
Typical normalfag thinking. "Durr I want everything at click of button", disgusting. People like you are what makes the game industry worse with your constant whining and faggotry.

Fuck you and kill yourself.

>>377429343
Oh god the delusion of this lol I can tell you are a private server cuck

>Gear is what makes a game good
You could be decked out in Tier 6 gear back in TBC earned from blood and sweat and the game would still be shit without a fun guild to be a part of.

>>377429538
>MMOrpgs are at their best when playing with other people

WHAT

A

CONCEPT

>>377429484
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE HAS THE SAME ITEM I HAVE? B-B-B-B--B-B-B-B-UT I SPEND A MONTH OF MY LIFE CLICKING ON ENEMIES TO GET IT!!!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRR

cancer

>>377427076
>why do you think you should be rewarded for hard work and dedication, when you can get it from a slot machine and gibs me dat.

you are a liberal aren't you?

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>>377428547
Go dwarf

>>377429691
I'm trying to figure out what your argument is.

Do you want mmos to just give free gear or something?

>tfw still playing vanilla wow in the current year
Life is good. Except it's constant pure suffering because there hasn't been a good server around since Nostalirus died, and Crestfall isn't going to release ever.

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>>377425025
Character progression is basically extinct. It's all been replaced by IL.
>Learning new spell ranks every 2 levels, having to go to city
>Learning new talent point every level
>Meaningful gear upgrades
>Weird, unique gear that didn't just increase your main stat
>Meaningful gameplay mechanics like actual mana conservation, consumables, aggro mechanics, hit chance, defense rating, resistances, etc
>Classes were unique. If your class didn't top damage you were brought anyways to decurse/tranq/ect. Unlike now where you just stack the best dmg class.
Probably some other shit. Vanilla wow is better in every single way. Face it Blizzdrones.

>>377428825
youre just deflecting. you were never good enough (of course in combination with availability) to do well or get far and so you came up with an excuse for yourself.

also, you didnt have to raid every day, that was only for being the very top. i was in a raiding guild in vanilla, and we were typical, always a bit behind the very best. maybe a tier behind on content, but it was fun and we only raided 2 or 3 times a week.

>>377430437
remember when it was worth it while leveling to go out of your way to try to get blue quest rewards as early as possible?

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>>377430950
there will never be a blue weapon that has been responsible for as much death and chaos as pic related

>>377430437
Vanilla raiding was boring and had very little mechanics vanillatoddler lol

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>>377431182
>im fucking plying

>>377425025
>Less skills
>less talents

seriously I hopped back on to see if any of my old friends still played, and my warlock has like 5 offensive spells. The last time I played, I had 1-9 bound with offensive spells, and I still had more lined up. How the fuck do people play this game now???

>>377431276
>Best gear is gotten from keystones
>Raid gear is shit
>Mythic raiding is determined by legendaries and artifact power
>DBM nerfed so boss mechanics are a joke
>Melee literally do nothing all fight
Sure thing bud, having fun with wow dying where the end only has Pandafags.

>>377431603
on a tablet

>>377431876
yeah that makes sense

>>377430437

Best post so far.

>>377427356
IKR getting rewarded for doing something epic should be easy

>>377431603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVYBU5Az_qU

>>377431603
>less talents

The tiered talent system isn't great but as far as actual diversity goes it's no worse than the classic or cata talents. The fact of the matter is that no matter what talent system you use there is always going to be a cookie cutter build that everyone who isn't a shitter is going to use. The difference is with the new talents you may need to swap out on a per encounter basis and some people really hate doing that.

>>377429027
What did you do for them to take him away?

When is Jaina going to genocide the irk scum?

>>377432170
>some people really hate doing it
Cata had it best. It was simple, but it was complex enough to fit whatever play style someone wanted

This is a talent catalog now. It's pathetic. This game is being dumbed down to ridiculous proportions.

>>377425025
I don't think Blizzard realized it wasn't about having the legendaries, it was about having something no one else did. By definition, the concept that makes having these items rewarding is only available to a select few.

Sure, by tossing more out into public, you're giving a short term burst of excitement, but after you've seen three dozen people carting around the Ashbringer, it loses all of its meaning and now you've got people looking for the next fix.

>>377432126
Will this work on earlier versions?
my guess is hell no but worth asking.

>>377431694
You are implying a lot of things that aren't correct. Please stay on your containment private server sweetie!

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>>377432351
When she suddenly feels like dropping epics so players can facefuck her weekly

>>377432405
I've seen it actually. Requires a lot of finagling, and the shoulder buttons were used to bring up 1-5 etc etc, but it works.

>>377432170
>vanilla cookie cutter builds
nice meme

>>377432556
neat

>>377425025
>previously it took super long to get epics
You could literally buy T1 pieces on the AH for like 30 gold

>>377426273
NOT IN THE CLIQUE?

NO LEGENDARY FOR YOU BOOBOO!

Been with the game since the beginning. Still play it. I don't see it dying anytime soon. When it does however, I will gently lay it to rest and move on with my life.

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>>377432289
Made expansions that killed him.

>playing the sjw casual dogshit game in 2017
tbc launching this weekend, get ready boys
and don't worry, leveling rates are x5 so the casual /v/ermins don't burn out after lvl 22
https://www.warmane.com/
[shill]we waiting u[/shill]

>>377432632
>still play it
HOW!? It's dumbed down babby tier at this point. How do you still find enjoyment in it??? honestly asking, no shitposting.

>>377425025
>Epics are easy to get now
>NOW
Nigger epics have been easy to get since BC.

Hell you could buy epics for barely nothing in vanilla.

>>377432384

You are literally comparing clicking 41 times vs 7.

Everything is always mathed out, there is always a best build if you are serious about raiding. The most amount of diversity you found in the old system was very minor personal preference swaps or shit like only one paladin taking improved BoK and one priest taking Divine Spirit.

>>377432126
>Dude fucking around in a stat squished zone several expacs ago killing trash means you can totally play WoW with a controller guys

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>>377425025
MMOs died when they became about the endgame content instead of the journey to max level with your friends.
That kind of experience can't be had anymore. And the replacement just doesn't feel as fun or rewarding.

>tfw you will never level 1-60 over the course of several months with your best friends again

>>377432586
It was a cookie cutter though with little difference in fights

>>377432704
>Paytowinmane

Fuck those guys and their shitty server

>>377432829
>>tfw you will never level 1-60 over the course of several months with your best friends again
>several months
took me a year to level my fucking level 60 tank. leveling a tank was the worst thing I ever did in that goddamn game

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>previously it took super long to get epics
ITT underage retards who didn't play vanilla

>>377425025
I'm not 16 anymore, I'm an adult with a job, I have other obligations and other things going on in life and can no longer play 12 hours a day. In Legion I can play an hour or two a day on average, enjoy myself and progress. If that makes kids like you upset because you feel like the hours and hours you spend pouring into the videogame are undervalued so be it, I don't care.

I want some feedback:
>Vanilla WoW
>Warlock
Is 250dmg a second decent?
I did the math and my Drain Life will do 250 a tick for 1250dmg every time I cast it.
Now add in other DoTs and the fact that I have SL, does this sound like a good idea?

>>377432740
>How do you still find enjoyment in it?
Mythic raiding and the people I play with. I'm on a high pop server and only 30 guilds are 10/10.

>>377432917
you literally copied that from a forum post.

I wish WoW let you cut PvE all the way out, like in GW2 where you can create a lvl 1 and pvp instantaneously.

And why the hell would they ever choose to base everything on procs/crits? Burst output is so random.

Otherwise PvP is pretty fun, once you get there. PvE can suck a dick though, D2 baalruns was more fun.

>>377432740
Nigga, this game had a point where you would literally spam ONE spell for 99% of the time you played.

Played a Warlock did you? Alright.

Afflock. As a part of your standard rotation you're using
Soul Effigy,
Agony,
Siphon Life,
Corruption,
Unstable Affliction,
Reap Souls,
Drain Soul,
Life Tap.

This is of course ignoring resources, multidotting, etc. Babby tier? Fuck off.

>>377432740
Nigger I raided all of MC on my mage with 1 spell.

My druid only cast 1 spell to heal also

>>377432998
Are you on illidan?

>>377432914
Well yeah, you just entered the topic.
>implying it wouldn't be master looted to the guild leader and profits headed straight to guild funds

>>377432790
There's plenty of vids where people do PvP with a controller and it works pretty well.

>>377433076
Yes I did, and I can tell you right now I had a lot more to do than just spam one fucking spell. If you spammed one spell you must have been the most useless warlock ever

Do you raid with this guy? >>377433161
He must be a useless healer too

>>377433162
yep, there isn't much choice these days if you want to play on a PvP horde server.

>>377433223
Nigger tell me what spells resto druids could cast to heal in vanilla.

Please enlighten us

>>377433076
What are
>Haste caps
>Hit caps
>Expertise
>Spell pen
>Mp5
Must be nice not having to improve your character. Have fun being benched by the most OP dps class atm.

>>377433223
How to spot someone who didn't raid in vanilla the post.
If a lock cast corruption on a boss he got kicked

>>377433305
No one actually knows, everyone with a brain played hybrid. The rest are dead because they couldn't read safety labels.

>>377433330
Oh, you wanted to delve into all the shit I didn't mentioned, too? Because stats certainly come into it, and itemization is critical.

But we were talking about spells. You want to deflect onto other bullshit thats your problem.

>>377427196
i really don't get the argument of "epics were supposed to be an accomplishment"

yeah, epics aren't too big of an accomplishment, but have people also considered that the ilvl of the epics are what you should be looking at, not the color of the text of the item your getting?

it might not be an accomplishment to get an ilvl 845 epic, but it definitely is if you're getting ilvl 905 epics for doing mythic NH, or 900+ for doing Mythic+10s. you guys are missing the point

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>Create a new spec
>make it unique, fun to play, way more active than every other classes keyboard DDR
>this triggers autists, megacasuals (since havoc was by no means difficult) and BRs with shit tier internet
>Blizzard ruins the spec with an """"Alternative""""" build using Nemesis that leagues better than Momentum

Hows things looking for Havoc in 7.2? If they bring back mometnum i'd come back

>>377433401
>If a lock cast corruption on a boss he got kicked
I fucking hate the WoW player base so much.

>>377433223
If you were a vanilla lock then your job was literally to apply curse of the elements. That and farming soulshards an hour before raid so you could summon people and have soulstones up.

>>377433452
>everyone with a brain played hybrid
Wat

Feral druids were awful and Balance was strictly worse than mage. Resto was the only semi viable spec

>>377433523
Nigger if a lock cast corruption then Curse of Elements or Sunder was falling off. You knock sunder off and you are wiping the raid you dumb faggot.

If you played vanilla like you claim you would know there were debuff caps.

>>377431296
5 mana 5/3 weapon

>>377433523
>40 player raid
>8 debuff slots
>Way more important debuffs than a small DoT that get shoved off

Are you seeing the issue

>>377428578
So they went and made MoP.

>>377433523
Did you really make it through all of vanilla and never knew about the debuff limit?

Did you just not raid or what.

>>377433471
The only thing that matters in modern wow is IL, legendaries, and artifact power. You don't even have to enchant anything other than 3 things anymore. The only thing that is optional is trinkets, rings, and necks. Gems are rng.

>>377433523
Because that Lock could screw over the entire raid.

If you knew anything about vanilla wow you'd understand why any lock was told "no corruption" when they got their spot.

>>377433076

50 damage spells, 2 utility spells.
>MMORPG in 2017

>>377433613
Resto was gay, hybrid was great in PvP(disregarding PMR). And bear was the best flagrunner, cat was good in a team.
Don't talk shit about vanilla druids, they weren't just for carebears.

>>377433261
I know the feeling. I just got to this tier and feel pretty lost on what guild to join since most are progressing mythics

>>377433692
>I know absolutely fucking nothing, the post

>>377433401
How come?

>>377433613
>>377433669
>>377433683
>>377433696
>use spell, intentionally or not
>get kicked
Yep, sounds like a shitty bunch of people to me.

>>377433845
Link your armory you Pandanigger.

>>377433729
Utility like Ritual of Summoning, Soulstone, Create Soulwell, Demonic Gateway, Eye of Kilrogg, Enslave Demon or Banish? :^)

>>377433881
>Yep, sounds like a shitty bunch of people to me.
I'd kick you for your shitty attitude. Actually i probably wouldn't seeing as you wouldn't get the invite in the first place thanks to armory.

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>>377432914
>Implying they wouldn't be snapped up instantly and doled out
>implying anything but the vast minority of players could afford the ones that weren't
>implying you could get anything near a full set of epics for the same time and effort raiding would get you them
>implying this scarcity didn't reinforce the fact that they were actually valuable
I love the "smug retard accidentally proves everyones point" episode

>>377433471

For stats you get a stat string and an addon literally tells you what is a direct upgrade for you. There is no thought involved past the (simple) setup phase.

>>377433881
>39 other people commit time and effort to accomplish a goal
>one retard fucks it up because he want's to hit a button

>>377433881
>Get told why you should never ever cast this spell
>like your raid leader explains it in detail and tells you to take it off your bar.
>you cast it anyways
>wipe the raid

People make mistakes, but if you're casting corruption in any semi-experienced raid group- you're a trolling faggot that deserves the boot. That one wipe can easily end progress due to respawns.

And if you raided in Vanilla you would know what special sort of hell it is to buff 40 people after your lock did something unfathomably stupid.

>>377434093
>For stats you get a stat string and an addon literally tells you what is a direct upgrade for you

HAHAHAHAH, you use Pawn?

oh, shit anon. Yeah, you're a shitter. None of those programs are accurate and you're a moron for following them.

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After 8 level 110s all 890+ gear I can say to you all legion sucks dick, don't play it.

JUST GRIND AP FAMPAI

>>377432657
He was such a cool character to this day I wish they made a salve maker class.

>>377434041

Are you listing spells that you don't even bother equipping because the game is deliberately built to not need them at any point?
Because if you aren't then i don't know what your post is about.

>>377434272
>all 890+ gear
Is that supposed to be an accomplishment

>>377433860
Bosses had a debuff limit, new debuffs would knock old ones off. So you could knock sunder off killing tank threat and lowering rogue and hunter dps.

Healers were also fucked with spells, you could only have 1 total renew on a target, they didn't stack. So generally there was one priest/druid who kept renew/rejuv rolling while everyone else spammed Greater Heal/HT and rank 5 heals.

Vanilla raiding as a caster was mages spamming frostbolt and wanding, locks spamming shadowbolt and wanding, and balance was an innervate bot until they made it baseline.

>>377434314
All of those apart from Eye are used, niglet.

Pretty sure apart from exploits Eye was never really used, either.

>>377434247

They are accurate if you set them up properly and sim for them. But you clearly don't know shit about itemization if you believe the Legion system is complicated so who the fuck cares what you think?

>>377434193
>did something unfathomably stupid
This is the way you think of video games? If someone makes a mistake you immediately boot them?
What a shitty player base. No wonder WoW is dying. Maybe now you autists can bully people in some other way.

1/2
Listen, yuo fuckign casual scums, the problem is that you think paying for game = giving everything to you on golden plate

When i was starting playing wow as teenager, parents told me to work for sub. So i worked like normal mature person 4h per day 5x in week (+school) So i was going to school at 8, working to 18.00, homework etc so i basicaly played wow maybe 2-3h per day + weekend

And i had fucking time to level rogue and warrior. Learned how to tank dungeons, droped it because i needed much more time to tank raids. As rogue i farmed dungeons, later farmed consumables, because you fucking needed to be prepared to raid, so enjoy farming and crafting resistance gear, consumables fot attack power etc while being ganked by alliance in wintersping because eveyone needed that fucking green potion from furblogs
And wow was the msot casual mmo around, because games like lineage2 everquest etc would shit on me for playing 2-3h. And reaching max level in 2 months? What a fucking easy game. And later TBC and wotlk with much more casual-friendly improvements

And now, fuckign retards on blizz forum cry about muh work, muh time and why it takes so long to clear raid in 2-3h max. Classes are dumbed down. Where is class specific buffs? Deleted in wod or legion prepatch? Where is your roles like rogue saping mobs in pack, dwarven priests casting fear wards, warlock giving summoning stones, castin curse of tongues on casters? Every fucking pack is now dont stand in fire + cc shit. When at naaru boss in SWP healer couldn't keep up with heals it was not because they're shit or undergeared, but because shit hit the fan with difficulty.
Older raids were not hard. Now with so many mechanci its harder. But raid was this special time, where everyone farmed thigns and prepared themself to do. Before crossrealm was introduced, i known who the fucking high warlord on my server is becaus eguy was present at every big battle.

>>377434616
2/2
Ah yes, you know shit about world pvp because everyone just drop to do WQ and fly away.
LFR was introduced because socializing in MMO was too ahrd to you
Classes and races are now dumbed down because learning and mastering your class/spec was too fucking hard for you
Geting prepared for raid/dungeon was deleted because using your mind to do this was to hard
Specials like high warlod title, scarab lord, hand of a'dal, legendary weapons like sulfuras, quel'theral bow is nothing, ebcause you cried about thing you are not allowed to obtain, blaming that game is unfair

That game is like olympic, theres hudnreds of prepared to enter qualifications. Only the best get in and best of the ebst, fucking world champions get bronze/silver/gold medal
And you, fatass lazy cunts, cant run more than 1km and cry why cant you get gold
Now wow is a paraolympic race with 1km distance, where most players can get gold. But that gold is worthless and you cry about game being bad. game is not bad, you, worthles cunts entitled to everything, are bad. If i fuck you up in arena with same gear as you, thats your failure and crying on blizz forum changes nothing. Champions will clear mythic raids and earn best scores in arena, but fucking casual scums will always cry, like piece of shit. WoW is now a fucking gear ilvl fest plus added artifact traits. Because everything that mattered was deleted and only gear level remains. Legion pvp at the start just showed all that even with same class and same gear, people loose 1500 to 0 because they're fucking trash. Yes casuals, you are that fucking trash

I fucking hate you with a passion, because now nobody will make a decent game that requires player to learn how to git gut, better make some moba or competetive shits, because something more complex obviously wont sell

>>377434504
So you're saying that these addons couldn't exist for Vanilla, or any other expac for that matter?

>>377428578
>hurf durf one character per guild MIGHT get a legendary
Oh fuck off. There's no point to them even existing at that.

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>>377434616
>>377434695

>>377434508
Yes. Welcome to hardcore raiding in Vanilla.

Anyone stupid enough to go completely against their raid leader's verifiable factual knowledge isn't allowed in the group. Nobody is here to spend an extra three hours on a boss because of one special, little retard.

>>377434074
BoEs from MC went for nothing on my server by the time BWL was out.
Half of the reason for that was T1s stats were worse than many blues from Strat/UBRS but point stands.

>>377434508
>WoW is dying because of a 13 year old mechanic that was removed about 11 years ago was crucial to understand and play around at the time and people who purposefully ignored this greatly hindered high level raid progress

Wow, great insight.
WoW is dying because it started catering to the subhumans that couldn't understand such simple mechanics, not that I think the 8 debuff limit was good, but if you can't understand why why that means don't cast your shitty spells, then you shouldn't be raiding or doing high level content.

>>377434508
>If someone makes a mistake you immediately boot them?
A mistake is forgetting a potion, getting distracted during a trash pull, or letting a buff run out.
If you do the precise opposite of what you're told in an interactive game, in an area which requires cohesion to succeed and punishes fuck ups harshly?
Yeah, your dumb ass is getting kicked, because you're clearly a ticking time bomb that's probably going to tab target the Flamewalker healer with a DoT.

>>377431276
atmosphere & immersion due to complexity of leveling > raids

>>377434616
>rogue
>complain about being ganked
I stop read right there.

>>377434812
>T1 stats.

Fucking hilarious.

>>377434971
>im casual and i dont know shit about farming potion in wintersping without full party to fend off alliance/horde doing the same

thanks for showing up shitter

>>377434759

It's harder for them to exist when every stat is not a throughput increase.

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>>377435137
>i'm a shitty rogue who don't look around me
thanks for showing up shitter

>>377432829
>That kind of experience can't be had anymore. And the replacement just doesn't feel as fun or rewarding.
That's the worst part about it. Even in a new mmo you'd probably have people reading shit before logging into the game, everyone knows shit already. Is it because the internet is much more prevalent now than it was in 2004? I know what you're talking about but I can't figure out why it's like that.

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>>377428079
>time investment is what gets people top tier gear

all the time in the world won't help you if you don't know how to optimize your rotation or do the mechanics

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>>377434074
Except they were dirt fucking cheap on the AH.

>>377435383
Inst he also an obese furry?

>>377425785
Why do you think the color of the name of the gear matters at all?

>>377432984
nigga wat, i hit 1000 dps as fury warrior in vanilla and i hadnt even set foot in AQ40 or naxx.

>>377425025
there is still not enough rule34 of tightrane

>>377435260
You cant even prove me wrong propably because only hard thing you propably know is elite boss in world quest that requires other people

I wont sponfeed you, keep telling youself, casual scum and dont even bother replying with some nostalrius tier 'experience"

>>377434616
>>377434695
class-specific buffs were removed so there was never a situation where "if you dont have X class, you're suboptimal, so sorry you're gonna need to force someone off their main to get X class to buff the raid."

Warlocks still give summoning stones. There were summoning stones in the oldworld, just as they are now, anyways. it's just they're not forced to farm 80 mobs to BOTH create healthstones and summon everyone.

fearward got removed and got baked into dispels. only healers can dispel it.

rogues still need to sap stuff to shave off pull sizes, especially in a properly organized group.

world pvp was shit. it was only fun before because nobody had anything else to do. people had a blast when arenas and BGs were added, because world pvp was either ganking lowbies, or "let's moshpit at south shore vs tarren mill"

LFR was added because not everybody was able to just get picked up for raids. it was made easier so that a bunch of randoms could easily knock it out without requiring too much communication, but still being more difficult than dungeons.

classes are "dumbed down" because the idea of specialization was... specialization. if you had a little bit of everything, you wouldn't be "specializing" would you. otherwise go play druid, they still have stuff from their other specs pouring into their kits

you still need to prepare for a raid. you act like mythic doesn't exist, people know exactly how encounters are when the raid comes out, and like flasks/potions/runes/food don't exist. if normal's too easy for you, do heroic. if that's too easy, mythic... etc.

>>377434978
Pretty much, everyone was starved for crit/hit and you had tier pieces with spirit on them.
Some of the set bonuses were insane though.

>>377432351
>Jaina
>genociding orcs

nigga, Jaina loves the BOC

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>>377435434

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>Thighrande

>>377435383
A graphics tablet and keyboard.

So really not a big deal at all, you stupid fuck.

>>377435596
Thrall dumped her for some nigress and shes been kill all orcs ever since.

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>>377435657
Go home, celestalon.

>>377435596
Who doesn't crave BOC

>>377435786
Go home, clicker.

Really sad seeing someone point this out every some some autist brings this up.

>>377429630
I

COULD

USE

A

LITTLE

FUEL

MYSELF

>>377435447
this isnt with naxx or aq40 gear, and this is over 1000dps, im only look at a single ability.

>>377435838
Anyone who wasn't memed into interracial like the rest of /v/.

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>>377425025
>179 posts and 22 image replies omitted.
>wow this must be a shitty thread with way too few lewd images of Tyrande
>actually it has none

jesus christ guys

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>>377435894
>implying i ever mentioned clicking, and i'm not talking about camera movement
L O L
how can you justify playing this game on a tablet, sperg?
also, this is what your average WoW player is like today

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Best girl.

>>377436057
Theres zero issue moving your camera with a graphics tablet.

The reason people blew up about this was him "balancing around" playing on a tablet; i.e simplifying rotations and skills. Camera shit is just asinine.

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Heroes Tyrande is 10/10
WoW Tyrande is a fucking idiot doormat

>>377436112
I want to lick those juicy purple thighs

go the /trash/ instead of trying to derail a thread that is actually about video games.
or you could go to one of the 100 porn threads on this board right now

The real reason I stopped playing.

>Levels scale with you so every zone is an end game zone!

>All high level crafting requires a shit ton of mats from Suramar which all have horrible drop rates
>All high level gear requires you to complete Suramar quest line which takes forever.
>Place with the most AP quests is Suramar which still takes forever.
>In order to do majority of any end game content you have to complete Suramar.
>In order to get flying you HAVE to do every Suramar quest line and get max rep with them.

Literally fuck that zone so god damn much.

>>377436242
meant for
>>377436221
>>377436112
>>377436015

>>377435838
I wish I was a slutty blood elf girl tbdesu

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>>377435481
Mate, you still mad by getting raped on vanilla because you fucker have a delay on your almost dead brain?
>dont even bother replying with some nostalrius tier 'experience"
I grow up retard, no need to play what I already played, cunt.

>>377436295
>>Levels scale with you so every zone is an end game zone!

They scale to your level, not your ilvl. You're still absolutely deleting mobs out of existence.

>>All high level crafting requires a shit ton of mats from Suramar which all have horrible drop rates

and?

>>All high level gear requires you to complete Suramar quest line which takes forever.

Not even close to true

>>Place with the most AP quests is Suramar which still takes forever.

Not even close to true

>>>In order to do majority of any end game content you have to complete Suramar.

Not even close to true

>>377436112
is she still a hard ass for no reason?

last I remember she chilled out after winning the second invasion then blizz retconned her for no reason into a bitch again

>>377436295
god damn fucking casual. did you literally just now sub? ive been exalted with them for MONTHS

you are the cancer that almost cost blizz their mmo

So in Legion you more or less only get 1 weapon for the entire game and it comes with it's own special move.

So for the next expansion how are they going to handle that? Are we still going to get 1 weapon that is now supposed to be even more powerful than Doomhammer?

>>377436219
>still trying to justify somebody designing the game to play the way that his controller works which less than 1% of the population of Wow players uses
everything that blizzard does is by design.
They are trying to make this game easier and more simplified. This retard who plays on a tablet is proof of this claim, and I honestly have no idea why you would shill for him.

>>377436707
What the fuck are you talking about?

He uses a keyboard for his rotation, just like every other fucker. Have you ever used a graphics tablet? You can use it just like a mouse.

>>377436626
>So in Legion you more or less only get 1 weapon for the entire game and it comes with it's own special move.

Yea it removes the excitement of having a new, baller weapon drop with an overdesigned skin and badass stats.

>So for the next expansion how are they going to handle that?
They never think that far ahead. It's just going to be another theme park with the same grind-mill with more changes to the classes and barely any flavor.

>>377436460
She doesn't really even have a personallity now.

>>377436626
>So for the next expansion how are they going to handle that?
>implying that this game won't die after argus gets botched and there's a year and a half long content drought
realistically if they do another expansion, they'll just remove this feature that they put so much work in to.

>>377436295
>i need to play the game to get shit done! how cruel!
Fucking kill yourself cunt.

>>377436838
>They never think that far ahead.

They've already talked about it.

I swear you fucktards hate on WoW, not because you actually know whats wrong with it, but because ACTIBLIZZARD REEEE

>>377436423
>casual

>>377436827
>You can use it just like a mouse
Not according to celestalon himself, since he admitted that he needed a mouse for overwatch you moron.

>>377437060
For camera control in a third person MMO? Yeah, you can.

>>377436991
Just because they talked about it doesn't mean the design implementation is going to take.

Never think that Blizz knows for sure what the best course of action is. They constantly flip flop between vanilla fags and convenience fags and they've been doing it for years.

So no, they haven't thought that far ahead. If they ever did then we wouldn't have the constant back and forth on when players should be able to use flying mounts in a zone.

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>>377437009

>>377425025
It's simple: Diablo devs.

>>377425025
Same gear for everyone is an improvement. Take Diablo 3 for example, gearing was horseshit at release, now it's decent and eveyone can try whatever they want relatively quickly and be done with and try the next thing.

You shouldn't own you life to a game.

>>377437385
the only molyneux more full of shit than peter

>>377437105
>Yeah, you can.
Yeah and you can also play with a controller.
Should you, is the question i'm asking.
The other question i'm asking is, why would you hire somebody who plays with an alternative form of control to design/balance your fucking game, when nobody else uses said form of control other than maybe a few people?

>>377434616
>>377434695
Did all that child labor require you to drop out of school? Because your grasp of the English language is distressingly weak.

I don't even know what your opinion is, it seemed to just be rambling.

>>377437596
>still not having an argument

>>377437385
But you provided basically no argument besides le meme tier replies so far so he's right about you being a casul

>>377438130
not even the same person dipshit

>>377438250
My argumet was he's shit. Being a rogue at vanilla and complain about get ganked it's absurd.
Rogue has all tools to get teh fuck out of any risky situation alive. No other class can do that.
I leveled Vanilla as Ret, and I farmed all that shit alone.
Go figure.

stop talking about nerd shit and gimme more big purple tits

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>>377438807
Nope, so far all things you''re saying proves that
1. you have no argument
2. you can't grasp concept of "farming as party because healers cant do it well"
3. you experience as a ret paladin is questionable because rogue can be ganked by other rogues and parties who wont allow him to farm consumables, wasting his play time etc

>>377428079
The whole point of epics is you're not supposed to get them easily.

Getting a shitload easily devalues them and just turns the game into NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS, and lets people who are good but dont have great gear be denied to groups by worthless bitches like you with shittons of epics but want to be carried anyway.

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>>377439297
1. Argument is there, interpret it however you want it.
2. Yes, I can do it, my focus was on his butthurt against being ganked for literally NO reason.
3. And ret wasn't ganket by literally any class, since was pretty shit in a 1v1 combat if not had some rank gear (and stood mediocre geared)?

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>>377435324
everyone knowing all the ins and outs of every little thing about the game before it's even released is a big part of it. alphas, betas, early access, test realms, and datamining of upcoming patches. every item and boss fight strat is mapped out for everyone to see months in advance. there's nothing to discover on your own. no sense of adventure.

some of it is nostalgia, sure. you can't recapture the feeling of all the good times you had levelling with your friends or fighting your way to a dungeon entrance and not knowing what to expect when you got inside. but the gaming landscape has definitely changed along with fan sites and info dumps like wowhead and mmo-champion.

but the age group of gamers has also evolved. back when i was playing wow i had tons of free time to dedicate to it. it could afford to be more difficult, less hand-holdy than it is now. kids could play for 6 hours a day or more, learning all the ins and outs, grinding out levels or raiding all night. 15 year olds don't have to worry about life the same way 25 year olds do. as mmos got more popular and the playerbase expanded, devs wanted to keep drawing in players, and had to casualize a lot of the elements for people who had more to think about than homework. for better or worse.

I tried to go back and play on some vanilla private servers, and i just couldn't do it. that shit is boring and way too time consuming.

>>377439886
>scars
please no, I'm weak to that

>>377439886
delete this

night elves are for loving, not cumming on

>>377439886
Black Chain is the only drawn porn I've ever liked, didn't he die?

>>377440418
that looks like shit tho kys

>>377440353
There's no bigger proof of being loved than being cummed on.

>>377440353
Night elves are for being conquered by supreme orc cocks

>>377440520
He's got some other good shit

post more nightelf lewds

>>377439870
Still i can read all your post so far insulting him, while i can understand him being ganked by other party farming same consumable for raid. Its hard to compare you as lone player (even as paladin who's hard to kill) to raider helping his team to farm things for raid party

If somebody prevents you from doing your assigned job, its nearly same as gank and it doesnt matter if he can run away or not - still he can't kill mobs.

>>377425025

More like the nerds with too much time on their hands and patience dealing with idiots.

MMOs should never have measurement of "skill." It's all about who has the most spare time, patience and in the case of PVP, if your class and spec are being babied for a particular expansion.

>>377425025
Blizzard tried something new and it just didn't work. Has happened with every expansion.

I've gotten at least two legendaries, that's enough for me. Most of them aren't even that interesting. It's not like that Mage trinket in WoD that summoned an image of Arthas.

>>377425025
Tyrande gets me hard everytime

>>377439830
If it's not a popular build, it won't work.

>>377439830
no dude wtf go full affliction, how will we ever have enough dps for Chrom?!?

>>377425025
I like the legendary system. Just wish they'd come out with an upgrade that lets you equip three already.

>>377441019
Still i can read all your post so far insulting him
The guys started to call me as "casual", so if you looking only on his side, this conversation is pointless.
>even as paladin who's hard to kill
This is the exactly reason why I was assiged to farm it from my old guild. No one had a paladin, since I started as one, I farmed all the shit for people (herb, mining) and then log back on hunter to raid and, like him, no killing mobs or a group comming for me reflect in low farming profit for me and my guild.

Like him, you are assuming that I was a lone player who was doing nothing, just running around.

>>377426062
This I never understood
kids don't like hard but have you have time as a adult to raid 4 times a week till morning hours.

I am 29 and I cant see myself dedicating hours upon hours everyday to get virtual items.

Seriously you have to be a neet or a guy who has no ambitions in his life.

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>>377436221
Heroes Tyrande is super fappable, Wow Tyrande is nintendo 64 grafics

>>377440661
No!

>>377440609
yes, being cuddled and kissed and ear nibbled

all of these things are what night and blood elves are for

I'm hoping world quests expand to the old zones this expansion. I'd love to have a reason to re-visit old zones and not just sit in the broken shore all the time.

>>377441847
Anon, night elves are thousand year old amazons whose husbands sleep for most of their lifetime.
They have the kinkiest sex imaginable, cuddling and kissing doesn't get them off anymore, they're thirsty as fuck.

>>377441827
WoW Tyrande is decent. Her newer model shows off some nice purple skin, albeit not as thicc

>>377442283
DELETE this

>>377442283
I can only imagine the fate of the first humans they came across

>>377425025
That stuff stopped in Burning Crusade.

>>377434616
>>377434695
100% agree. Wow got boring for me, but never too hard. Just boring. Now shit is just for window lickers

>>377442457
There's nothing wrong with being drenched in cum every now and then and being penetrated in all your holes at the same time to let off steam.

>>377442586
night elven women are very disciplined and able to control their base urges

your posts are filled with falsehoods, please delete them

>>377441252
Not true at all
>>377441374
I don't raid.

>>377442508
They killed the first humans they came across.

>>377441847
All I want in life is a qt blood elf paladin wife to have consensual missionary position sex for the sole purpose of half-breed procreation with, and then praying to the Light for healthy children right after.

>>377442679
And how do you think they control their base urges? By communal masturbation sessions and prisoner rapings.
Discipline can last for weeks, months, even years, but not decades, centenaries and milenniums.

>>377442516
Pretty much this.

>>377432515

God dammit, why do the ingame human female models make me so hard?

>>377442842
No, their discipline lasts for tens of thousands of years.
The younger sisters have lesbian sex.

>>377442827
Same
or a qt cold night elf hunter wife

>>377443014
>thinking a woman can be satisfied with mild lesbian "sex"
lmao are u a virgin

>>377443112
>"muh dik"

virgin

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A medium skilled player should play an average of X hours per week, for Y weeks, to have a full epic geared char with at least one legendary.

Define X and Y.

>>377443234
28 for 2 weeks

>>377443014
If I had a night elf hunter wife, I'd make sure my prot warrior self defends her with my life, keeping aggro on my while she kills them from afar

>>377443014
>implying the younger sisters don't take the big tiger know for hours until they belly gets swollen from all the feline cum

>>377443234
10 hours for 8 weeks
8 weeks for a fresh 110 to get some blues off heroic dungeons, then do mythics, some LFR, and then progress and clear Normal.

>>377440353
Why not both?

>>377443620
>know

>>377443456
me too
I would guard her from all sorts of horrors and beasts

>>377443767
Sorry, I was too excited to write properly.

>>377443763
>both

explain yourself

>>377443767
Of course, the real elves in need of love and protecting are the qt female demon hunters. They've been locked up for thousands of years are in need of someone to care for them.

>>377443849
Loving tenderly in missionary and then cumming inside or on her.

Two birds in one stone

I've tried to play WOW, but started it way too late. Leveling was so easy it was painful. Never dying, instances you just run through, no need to chat with your party members or really do anything. Depending on the spell I used the mobs would die before I could get it off half the time.

Made it to level 30 before I gave up. I don't understand the point of completely taking the challenge out of leveling. There wasn't even any resource management. I couldn't run out of mana if I tried.

Didn't see the point of sticking it out until endgame.

>>377444040
I wouldn't mind a hot belf paladin gf that protects me from all the monsters and then lovingly rapes me, though

hello where the tyrande lewds at?

Are the triggered mods filtering cuckagain? lol

>>377444062
Is this even possible, though?
Explain in great detail.

>>377444213
That sounds nice too. Especially if while she's riding you raw she tells you that your human sperm fertilizing her elven egg is "for the good of the Light"

>>377444598
I agree
I'd like it if she degraded me while riding me, talking on about how my inferior disgusting seed will impregnate her pure, superior elven egg and how filthy but good it feels for her

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>Want to play my NE Demon Hunter
>Alliance players are fucking trash at PVE

>>377445001
It'd be even nicer if after I came inside her she'd grab me by the neck and tell me that I will take responsibility for our children and ensure they have a good human father

>>377445703
Yes, and after all that violence and rape we'd cuddle together with her being the little spoon

>>377445703
And it'd be even nicer if after cumming inside her she laughs at your pitiful spasms and starts riding you furiously again while saying how it's not nearly enough. Your screams of pain would merge with her cries of sadistic pleasure and echo throughout the forest.

>>377432446
You sure showed him.

>>377445332
If Alliance sucks at PvE then Horde must be even worse.
>Illidan-US is Chinatown
>Area 52-US is barren as fuck despite being the most populated horde server
>Tichondrious is pure PvP

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>It's another Nostalriusfag making a shitposting thread
>294 posts

>>377445920
Imagine if she were a warlock, she'd summon her succubus to double team my cock while her inferal holds me in place helplessly

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>>377446063
>Stuck on Illidan

Do you think Tyrande cucks Furion?

I mean now that there are so many strong orcs and humans running around

>>377447021
Furion is having hot sex with Ysera so it's all okay.

>>377435324

>Is it because the internet is much more prevalent now than it was in 2004?

Yes. I think we literally have double the population of people using the internet now than we did 10 years ago, thats just more manpower working at a solution or just giving info. People absolutely love to be helpful about something they have a genuine love/interest in.

You know how there are those turboautists that find out everything? Theres more of them now than ever before online and this is only going to increase. You cant have the old sense of wonder or unknown like you had back in vanilla or even up to wotlk, but even by late TBC a bunch of info was already being put out, how to play classes correctly and all that, you only had to know where to find the info.

>>377425025
>Like 12 years old
>Running Blackrock Depts
>I'm an enhancement shaman
>Epic chest drops from the ring of law
>Win it
Man....truly only real men had epics back then....

also epic doesn't mean anything at all it never has even in vanilla blues and sometimes even greens were better items if you care about item quality you are probably retarded

>>377447292
People seem to have the false idea that you had to put hard work to get epics when they were randomly dropped.

>>377447292
>also epic doesn't mean anything at all it never has even in vanilla blues and sometimes even greens were better items
only in extremely specific cases like items with retarded itemization or bad game design like casters who got no damage bonuses from int having to use +element damage greens. now that all the stats have been dumbed down and rolled into each other the only reason not to use a new epic is if you need to prioritize another stat.

>>377447850
>It's le dumbed down because Blizzard was retards at itemisation and then fixed loot that didn't make sense

>>377447850
This isn't true at all
especially for trinkets and relics

>>377447292
>also epic doesn't mean anything at all
Says the person who probably never did any raids, epics mean a lot more when undeserving faggots gets them before you in raids.

>>377425025
>MMOs
>Skill
The only hard part is getting 20+ idiots to not fuck it

>>377448002
>resistances didn't make sense
>arpen and spell pen didn't make sense
>expertise and hit didn't make sense

>>377448261
Yeah man, felt so epic when me and the other 9 people who did more than autoattack/wand and clicked more than one button finally cleared MC

>>377428079
>skill
nobody has "skill" in legion you absolute retard
blizzard made sure the game was easy as fuck for everyone so that people like you could jerk off and delude yourselves into thinking youre gods in the game
how pathetic can one person be holy shit

>>377448449
Nope, just unneccessary timegates

>>377448496
Link your mythic gul'dan kill before 7.2, also with a timestamp, cause that shit was eazy amirite?

>>377448546
All stats are unnecessary, they should extend the PVP stats system to the entire game so that you just get a fixed amount of everything based on ilvl and all freedom with your build is removed.

>>377448723
>PvPbabby complaining about his minigames
lol
>Implying there was build/talent variety in Vanilla if you didn't want to be a retard
lol

>>377448337
not even idiots, just a sequence of gear checks.

>need all dps to be at *insert number* minimum
>need all tanks to have this much defense, block, dodge *insert numbers*
>need all healers to have this much regen/spirit, spellpower *insert numbers*
>Oh, and nobody stand in the fire.
check all of that, and omg your raid will win the encounter.

>new raid comes out
>adjust the numbers to be slightly higher
>rinse and repeat
There is your mmo "skill"

It was never about skill, its just no-lifers upset that they aren't even special or cool inside virtual reality anymore.

I wish they would just do away with leveling.

>>377448869
vanilla had cookie cutter pvp only builds.
But they completely shattered balance, as some classes cookie cuter would just be way more powerful than other classes cuter cutters.

anyway, thats what pvp fags are whining about. Rogues and warriors were at their peak in vanilla because of their cookie cutter build capability. Now they are just dinosaur classes.

Almost all of the pvpfags "missing the good ole days" are warrior or rogue mains.

>>377448869
>PvEbabby thinks following dbm warnings takes skill
lol
>freedom with skills and stats should be taken away simply because people minmax
you should apply for a job at blizzard, they would love more mongoloids like you.

Where da Draenei at

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>>377449256
>Not wanting to breed a milf like Jaina

>>377441064
>Most of them aren't even that interesting.
The shitty part is about one third of the legendaries are uninteresting stat sticks that shouldn't exist, one third being so fucking good or providing something that actually makes your class and spec work so they're mandatory, or just useless. I don't know how they did it but they completely fucked up the legendary system for this expansion. I managed to get one of the best ones for my spec and I still think it's an awful system. If I didn't get Stone Heart I literally would not have been able to play Fury when the expansion launched because the spec was so absolutely fucked it needed that ring to function. That bad legendaries even exist is a monument to how fucking inept Blizzard has become.

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People talk shit about WoW's current state and how Cataclysm was the downfall.

But the Questline in Stonetalon where you bomb druids was dope.

>>377449497
I'll breed her when (if) she becomes the new Grand Admiral of Kul Tiras.

>>377449148
pvp fags are whining about how blizzard has a stranglehold on their class. you complain about cookie cutter builds in vanilla but they are literally cookie cutter builds now. everyone is exactly the same in every way and if your class got the short end of the stick tough shit, reroll or eat shit until next patch and pray you get buffed.

>>377439968
>>377447131
It does make sense. What you guys said is pretty much spot on the more I think about it.
I would like a chance to play vanilla again for myself to see if I'd still enjoy it. But I know absolutely none of my friends would join me in that so it's almost comforting that I'll most likely never have the chance to do that again.

>>377428787
they would just be panderen according to the novels
the race of the children is the same of the mother

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>>377449497

>>377429123
hit me up anon :)

>>377449774
Good, Human sperm should be for repopulating endangered species such as Draenei and Pandaren.

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>Lor'themar still hasn't reached the end of his hero's journey and realized that all the Horde, not just blood elves, are his people and his brothers, and that to protect them he must accept the position of Warchief and become the one thing he most fears being.

>>377449834
Nice, now color it in.

>>377449834
I wanna, but Arthas, Thrall, and Kalec have been in there too,l.

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Undead make the best rogues. prove me wrong

>>377450235
>official choice for pro players
>classic combo respected by all vet players
>objectively better than all other race/class combos

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>>377449238
>Thinks illusion of freedom is any good
>Pillarhumping is hard guyz
lol

>>377430098
Worked for GW1.

>>377450489
>illusion of freedom
>shockadins didn't exist
>stunheralds didn't exist
>2h enh shamans didn't exist

>>377450553
Can you really say anything in GW1 worked when its road was leading to GW2 all along?

>>377450608
Yeah, retards existed, we established this already