Dark Souls Lore

>>377401620
>why were the other lord souls not fragmented
But they were? Gwyn fragmented his own Soul and gave it to the others the Pygmy did the same thing and extended it over all of humanity.

There are no answers. The questions you are asking ARE the lore of Dark Souls.

I remember reading somewhere that it is fragments of the dark soul but the dark soul loses no power when it does so, hense why it's powerful
Begs the question though, what the fuck is a dark soul?

>>377401620
Dark soul's lore is trash. Why do rats even give out humanities?

>>377401827
Because the rats eat corpses

It's a vagina

It's some random dumb shit someone thought out for a video game. Like some fucking soul orbs that are dropped by purple slimes that replenish your mana in pantsu quest 12 or something.

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>>377402060
Nasty

>>377401827
>rats eat corpses
>the dark souls is in the blood
>rats now have humanity/the dark soul in their blood a la Gael

>>377402298
Best boss fight in the series

With DS lore you either (A) say what you want it to be, and so it is or (B) watch all the Vaati videos and bow down to his voice.

I'm a Vaati

I do like the "Solaire is Nameless" meme though. I can justify it when I need to

>>377401816
It's the shadow the first flame cast.

>>377401620
Yes, Humanity is a little fragment of the Dark Soul
Yes, the other lords did too, remember the faithfull knights from Gwyn for example, the main difference is that when you kill them they dont drop humanity, they drop "Souls", the souls you use to get levels and get stronger are fragments of the other 3 lords souls.

>>377402520
Too bad Vaati is literally just a voice channel since he plagiarises everything.

its a fucking item in a game and it got replaced with another fucking item. It doesn't get deeper than that.

>>377405080
hear hear

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what was the purpose of Filianore?

Who gives a fuck?

Humanity is literally humanity left over

that's why you don't get it from anything but bosses and rats because they ate people and shit

Everything else is hollow

>>377407210
Cumdump for pygmies

>>377401620
It's all a bunch of vague mystical mumbo-jumbo about souls and shit. Even if there were real answers to your questions, they would not be very illuminating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJDimvPW1Y

>>377401620
Humanity - fragments of the Dark Soul
Dark Soul - a one of a kind Soul found in the First Flame by the pygmy

As time pass the fire fades and light cedes space to dark. Humans are not defined by light, but by the Dark Soul, without it, they're just rotten meat.
So in essence, humans are beings of the dark, and Fire/Light is just a way to suppress this truth.

Dark Souls is just a big metaphor.

>>377401620
Based on your picture humanity is a vagina .

>>377402512
*in the first 2 games

>>377407210
>uncomfortable doggo taken hostage by witch

>>377401718
this, it's literally "this space is intentionally left blank" because miyazaki is too much of a hack to write it, just a bunch of cryptic descriptions that ultimately leave too much to the imagination

>>377407950
What kind of flame has souls in it?

>>377410238
The kind that is both metaphorically and literally the sun

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>>377401620

Doesn't matter. DS isn't a lore-heavy game. Draw your own conclusions and be done with it

>>377402520
There is not a single shred of evidence pointing to Solaire as the Nameless King

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>>377408046
2deep4me

enlightenment achieved

>>377401620
>Is it fragments of the Dark Soul?
Yes. Why are you even asking this?
> If yes, why were the other lord souls not fragmented?
The Dark Soul became fragmented because the Pygmy split it to create Humanity. Gwyn split his lord soul and gave it to the Four Kings and Seath. Jesus fucking christ did you play the game?


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>>377410020
One of the questions had been answered in the first post you fucking morons.

>>377410460
There are objective answers to certain questions regarding these games you idiot.

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>>377410701

such as "should I praise"

you should praise

>>377410238
The videogame kind.

>>377410384
The sun is not the first flame.
You actually see a fire in the intro, so its not metaphorical either.
try again

>>377407210
Sacrificed by Gwyn to essentially seal off the ringed city because he feared the power of the Dark Soul.

>>377410910
I think you might be denser than a neutron star

>>377401816

If light exists, so must dark. The Dark Souls what spawned from this.

>>377402604
...that is surprisingly poignant. fuck. Are you Vaati?

>>377411009
You do realize all non-dragon creatures lived underground? They found a fire in a cave? You see this in the first ten seconds of the game

>>377410570
>>377410809
XD!

I need help with Dark Souls 2, I got to the spider area and I am 3spooked to continue, is there a way to skip this area somehow?

>>377411239
You do realize Dark Souls is heavily fantasy and borrows a lot from norse mythology, right? By DaS3, the sun itself is dying due to the flame not being rekindled. They're both and the same

>>377411467
No, but you can use a torch so the spiders don't attack you.

>>377411494
>>377410384
>>377407950
I'm not sure how far you can stretch the idea that fire is a metaphor for obscuring the truth n' shit considering without fire, without sunlight, life can't exist at all.

>>377411467
You can accumulate 1million souls in your Soul Memory and enter the Shrine Of Winter that way. Did this by accident the first time I played DSII, didn't know about Earthen Peak/Iron Keep until I beat the game.

>>377411494
So I should completely disregard the DS1 intro because it borrows from norse mythology...
Please just watch the intro again and tell me how the sun is even related? These are creatures crawling in caves and stumbling upon a fire which gives them strength.

>>377411494
except at that point it's not the sun, since the sun died in DS1. Literally. Gwyn is the sun. The only reason it's in the sky in DS1 and 2 is because the 1st flame keeps being rekindled, meaning the barest scraps of Gwyn's soul continue to exist, and he was LITERALLY the sun along with Gwynevere who is also likely super dead.

>>377412108
People like you is why everyone is forced to learn how to read metaphors

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Why do rats drop so much humanity?

>>377412521
Hey, answer me:

>I'm not sure how far you can stretch the idea that fire is a metaphor for obscuring the truth n' shit considering without fire, without sunlight, life can't exist at all.

>>377412381
I'll continue! The sun at the end of DS3 becomes the Darksign, the last trace of Gwyn's influence on the world being the shackles he placed on the Pygmies and Humanity so that their Dark didn't fuck with his whole Age of Fire thing he liked so much. You can then choose to rekindle it, let it die so that new, different First Flames can exist, or jack the flame to take its power and use it to rule as Forever Beings.
>>377412567
because they eat weak-ass hollows and their blood which in DS3, especially the last DLC, is shown to hold the dark.

I think it's the Warden Twinblades that basically say bleeding out a hollow makes it take way longer to rise again

>>377408465
>Who are Raime, Alonne, and Mirror Knight

>>377412567
See:
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>>377412652
Go back to school, i'm not your fucking teacher

>>377412790
How about you admit your "metaphor" doesn't hold water. The sun cannot be a metaphor for obscuring the truth, while at the same time completely necessary for life to exist.

Was Gael playing the long con when he munched on the pygmies? Did he know he was going to go insane, and had you put him down so his blood could provide a pigment for that QT in the attic?
Or did he just snap completely when he found the pygmies, and it was all a happy accident that his blood replenished the dark soul?

>>377412845
You're replying to a different anon, niggus

>>377412790
>>377412845
I mean good god Gwyn and his posse set up the Undead pilgrimage shit, that was obscuring the truth. Gwyn's not the sun, he's a dude trying to ensure the survival of his kingdom.

>>377411467
You think the spiders are bad, wait till you get to Shrine of Amana

>>377412713
I haven't played the dlc bosses but Mirror knight fucking sucks.

>>377412853
His soul out-right says that he knew the dark souls would consume him in the end. He willingly sacrificed himself.

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>>377402520
I'd like to bow down to more than just Vaati's voice if you catch my drift.

So, was Midir a dragon fight finally done right? They almost hit the mark with Kalameet and Sinh, and Midir comes close, but the fucker just has so much fucking health

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>>377411741
I guess I could farm that, gonna see if I can do the DLC stuff now
>>377412997
I can handle anything except spiders, they're fucking scary

>>377412713
Mirror Knight was honestly nothing special.

>>377413423
I'll give you that, they have the spook factor. But fire trivializes them.
Wait till you see the boss that's waiting at the bottom

>>377404995
>dark souls lore threads start popping up on /v/
>i nerd out and do some crazy explanation and theorizing
>anon posts youtube celebr shit
>its that nigger vaati, literally presenting my post as his own ideas

>>377413298
>but the fucker just has so much fucking health

you did the fight wrong, you are spose to hit his head, not his legs

>>377413489
What video and what ideas?

>>377413456
It was a remix of Old Monk, which means the difficulty varies depending on what you get, but the fight with the Knight itself wasn't terrible. It was just a duel with a slow, large target that shrugged off any attacks that hit his left side

>>377413484
I know, I managed not to be a pussy for the few minutes it takes to get to the boss a long time ago and then gave a friend my save file to beat it. However I'm retarded and lost the save file later on when I formatted my HDD and now I'm at the spider area again on a new character, except now me and the friend aren't close anymore.

>>377410020
its not cryptic at all. like most asian fantasy writers, he copy and pasted traditional western fantasy but to make it not so obvious, he left out a few names/refrences so people who dont know western mythology would think its all ORIGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL. To further confuse the ignorant masses, he incorrectly used english terms to mean totally different things than what they normally mean, such as humanity.

>>377413532
Even if you hit his head, he still has a boatload of health
>More health than both phases of Cinder
>More health than Gael

>>377413489
Why does anyone take him seriously?
All he does is go off of bullshit tangents based off hardly any evidence or pure
>implications

>>377410910
the first flame is a literal fire that gives its owner the ability to metaphorically power the literal sun. its retardo pre-history mythilogical nonsense.

>>377413298
Midir is not even at full power anymore, the bite attack looks like it's overextending. So the fight is done right if it's trying to represent a dragon needing to be put out of its misery.

>>377413753
Miyazaki has openly stated that he used to read western fantasy as a child, but filled in many of the gaps due to his patchy understanding of english. He has also openly stated that he recreated this feeling for the Souls games. So yeah.

>>377413826
because lorefags are idiots

>>377413576
i dont even fucking remember, its been years. It wasnt the whole video, just a part of it which lead me to assume he was picking and choosing ideas he liked from other anons.

>>377401620
Why does Solaire gets depressed after Anor Londo anyway? I still don't get it, is he actually referring to an actual sun?
Why does he think he would find it becoming an undead?
And... What is he doing on the Klin of the First Flame?
I just played DS 1.

>>377413935
He's looking for enlightenment. Doesn't find it. Lordran is where Undead go. He's at the Kiln, should you save him, because he's going through the same motions you are as the player.

>>377413935
He's just a crazy man looking for his own metaphorical sun, and can't find it in AL, so he heads on down to Dragon Ass City and either goes insane thanks to that bug on his head, or you save him.
If you save him, he makes it to the kiln and links the fire in his own world, and becomes his own sun

>>377413925
I'm sure he posts these threads frequently on /v/ and Reddit just to do this.

>>377414097
>Dragon Ass City

dont know why but I lol'd

>>377401620
>Is it fragments of the Dark Soul?

Yes.

>why were the other lord souls not fragmented?

They were. 2 of the 4 Lords that you need to kill for the Lordvessel had pieces of Gwyn's soul. Ostensibly all of the gods in Anor Londo had pieces of Gwyn's soul. Nito had some of his power drained, which I'd imagine means his soul was split as well. The witches of Izalith probably shared their soul between themselves at minimum, I don't know if they went around handing it out.

>>377414097
>If you save him, he makes it to the kiln and links the fire in his own world, and becomes his own sun
nice headcanon

>>377414728
If you save him, his summon sign appears to the left of the staircase before descending to go to Gwyn. It doesn't take much in the way of critical thinking to assume why he's there, and what he does in his world.

>>377414885
>assume
like i said, nice headcanon.

>>377414970
Hey, you got any insight as to why he places his summon sign down to fight Gwyn, be my guest.

>>377415161
I'm not disputing his motivation.

>>377415174
what

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>>377415295
So you're just sitting on the fence not saying anything at all of substance. Noted.

>>377415474
I'm saying that you can't make the claim that Solaire linked the flame in his own world. I'm sorry if this is too complicated a concept for you to follow.

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>>377415671
There is evidence to suggest he does: He has come to Lodran to seek his own sun. You are providing nothing to the contrary, and are only saying the equivalent of "nuh uh 'cause I said so."

>>377401816
That's not what begs the question means.

>>377416115
>There is evidence to suggest he does: He has come to Lodran to seek his own sun.
That's his motivation, not evidence that he actually accomplished what he set out to do.

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>>377416531
>You are providing nothing to the contrary, and are only saying the equivalent of "nuh uh 'cause I said

Circle's complete. Goodnight.

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>>377416746
Anon all I'm saying is that there is zero evidence that Solaire beat Gwyn. I don't disagree that he was there to kill Gwyn and link the flame, but there's nothing to suggest that he did. If you want to get all autistic about this I suppose I could point out that Solaire's armor isn't burnt to shit in DS3.

>>377417042
ludleth linked the flame and he isnt burned to shit just legless

>>377413753
Can you elaborate? I didn't know about that and I'm really curious now

>>377401620
>If yes, why were the other lord souls not fragmented?
I mean they straight up tell you Gwyn fragmented his soul off to the 4kids and Seath. Kill yourself, OP.

>>377417096
Not a bad point, but the Firelink set is burned & melty. The sun armor also doesn't mention Solaire managing to link the flame, and I feel like it would if he did. That said, the sunlight straight sword got magical properties from somewhere so IDK.

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